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@Jim : out in the ocean, what else ? it is obvious that tepco does not care.
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 6:32:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:32:55 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:32:55 PM
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@Sky Agree. Open minds are best.
by es at 3/27/2011 6:32:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:32:49 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:32:49 PM
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@vasra Sweden here!
by kb at 3/27/2011 6:32:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:32:48 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:32:48 PM
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@stormy- Could you copy and paste the Tepco worker email? I don't have a NYT account and can't access it.
by Maureen Burke at 3/27/2011 6:32:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:32:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:32:35 PM
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Department of Nuclear Engineering University of California, Berkeley. AMS Results Log: Results Log
3/26 (6:20pm): Rain water sample results posted for 3/24 - 3/25. I-131 and Te-132 activities are lower than previously observed (3.12 and 0.27 Bq/L resp.) while Cs137 remains near the high point at ~0.5 Bq/L.
3/26 (10:45am): Air sampling results posted for 3/22 - 3/24. We have observed correlated increasing trends in Cs-137 and I-131 with the water sampling results. Te-132 seems to have increased more in air than in the rain water. Full understanding of the these trends may not be understood for some time until we start to combine this data with other information. Levels remain extremely low, but we are maintaining a close watch on these trends.
www.nuc.berkeley.eduby Tenzing at 3/27/2011 6:32:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:32:32 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:32:32 PM
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@Future Isnow Nah, I'm in Scandinavia. Our plants are a mix of Russian, Swedish, US and Finnish design. The oldest are Russian designs and 40 yrs old. It's true our location is not seismically active and the likelihood of tsunamis is extremely low, but the water barrier in some places is only 1.75m and last year we already got a surface rise of 1.7m due to strong winds. So much for safety margins, eh.
by vasra at 3/27/2011 6:31:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:31:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:31:59 PM
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Hi guys, I read on yahoo today that the 10,000,000x figure was false and the actual figure was 100,000x. Has this been confirmed by other sources?
by ids at 3/27/2011 6:31:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:31:49 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:31:49 PM
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@Sky HEAR HEAR well said
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 6:31:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:31:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:31:31 PM
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@Peter Melzer : yep.
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 6:31:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:31:17 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:31:17 PM
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@Matsuoko, when you check the pictures here:http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/13573218, then the location is precisely the corner where the yellow dome would be parked when the reactor is down and open.
by Peter Melzer at 3/27/2011 6:30:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:30:48 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:30:48 PM
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... and try to keep the sarcasm at a minimum also please, everyone. We are watching while people are potentially in severe danger.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 6:30:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:30:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:30:42 PM
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Oh right. Reactor 4. Defueled. Nothing to blow off. No explosion, just collapse.
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 6:30:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:30:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:30:16 PM
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This blog-group-team is sifting through many different sources of information-news-opinion trying to use our powers of discernment to sort out what is fact, what can be inferred from facts, contradictions that don't make sense, opinions we wish to consider as possible while looking for additional more convincing factual support, etc. In this sorting process we can look at all sources including those usually labelled conspiracy theory, bearing in mind that some parties may have their own agenda and discounting the ideas presented there to whatever degree seems appropriate. But even those sites can often be a useful source of concepts and ideas for our further consideration and I do not rule them out, as sometimes they do get it right. Even the "news" sources are not 100% correct either. I suppose they usually do their best but are not always provided with correct data from those close to an event.
by Sky at 3/27/2011 6:30:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:30:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:30:01 PM
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@fitter : not blown off because there is no pressure in an empty vessel.
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 6:29:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:29:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:29:43 PM
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by marie rich at 3/27/2011 6:29:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:29:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:29:24 PM
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@quantman07. Are they going to have aquaman tell the fish to stay out of the water zone around the plant? I can't see how this won't impact fish and fishing safety.
by Nancy at 3/27/2011 6:29:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:29:11 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:29:11 PM
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Greenpeace 27.3. ground survey team report :
www.greenpeace.org . “The Japanese authorities are fully aware (3) that high levels of radiation from the stricken Fukushima nuclear plant have spread far beyond the official evacuation zone to places like Iitate, yet are still not taking action to properly protect people or keep them informed them about the risks to their health”. TFWIW.
by vasra at 3/27/2011 6:28:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:28:23 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:28:23 PM
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@radioguy no!! disscussion was hanging , stage in place,(during work) or could it have blown off... may have been blown around after but was not likely to have been blown off...
by fitter at 3/27/2011 6:28:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:28:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:28:01 PM
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@vasra I think that anyone here who live in a nuclear country heard the same, absolute same thing. Oh, I was thinking you were French, lol .. Because I heard the exact same sentences here, in France since 16 days...
by Future Isnow at 3/27/2011 6:27:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:27:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:27:51 PM
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@Andy todays mainstream articles are pinned
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 6:27:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:27:44 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:27:44 PM
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@radioguy :
www.youtube.com this should be the moment you can see the square lifting device on the cap.
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 6:27:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:27:06 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:27:06 PM
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@Andy Just ignore them. I don't think the majority is to conspiracy sites, in fact they are in minority. Just a bit active in the past hour or so.
by vasra at 3/27/2011 6:26:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:26:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:26:54 PM
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english.kyodonews.jp Sorry, I hit the wrong key.... they are unable to get near reactor 2 to measure radiation. That is a big problem!
by quantman07 at 3/27/2011 6:26:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:26:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:26:41 PM
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So the solution is to get the highly radioactive water out of the basements. But the condenser areas are already full of water and they are going to remove this water over to the condenser area? Um, someone fails basic math and logic. So they have water everywhere, are running out of places to put it but need to keep dumping in water to prevent a total exposure. This does not give me confidence.
by Nancy at 3/27/2011 6:26:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:26:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:26:31 PM
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@rob I don't think pumps are the issue. Once you pump all that radioactive water out of the buildings, where do you store it and how do you process it so that it becomes safe?
by Jim at 3/27/2011 6:26:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:26:12 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:26:12 PM
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I'm shocked that a majority of the links that are presented on here are links to conspiracy theory sites...when there is no information people are linking to sites that make it up or guess on what it is happening. This is very disappointing.
by Andy at 3/27/2011 6:26:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:26:02 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:26:02 PM
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@all If you are living in a country using nuclear power, read this :
www.nowtoronto.com . Do you know what our country's industry experts said after the Japanese accident? "Can't happen here, we have much better level of preparedness, we are more highly trained, our plant designs are different (yup, Russian 40yr old BWR designs, btw)" etc. Ah, the ignorance. As if we are somehow more skilled than the Japanese and accidents can't happen elsewhere. Sigh.
by vasra at 3/27/2011 6:26:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:26:02 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:26:02 PM
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@rob for now, it's external pumps, and they need also some external pums to cool down 3 cores
by Future Isnow at 3/27/2011 6:26:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:26:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:26:00 PM
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@radioguy : on the yellow containment cap you can see the lifting device from the crane fixed. so i believe the cap wasn't in its place when the quake hit it.
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 6:25:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:25:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:25:52 PM
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@nancy::iodized or sea?
by elise at 3/27/2011 6:25:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:25:44 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:25:44 PM
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This just in from Kyodo. Unsure if it's been linked/posted already.
by quantman07 at 3/27/2011 6:25:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:25:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:25:35 PM
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I have to go have lunch with the wife. I'll leave my screen up and catch up in a while. Keep the links coming, guys, we seem to be a collective of factual info here. Kudos again to George and the mods.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 6:25:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:25:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:25:35 PM
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@All At some point I'd love it if you would give an opinion/prediction of where you see this going. How bad it might get, realistically. will/when/how will they evacuate. maybe even futur visions of the size of affected area and impacts on it. That is, if moderator thinks it appropriate. could use * to preface?
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 6:25:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:25:32 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:25:32 PM
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They found chernobyls core still burning "years" later
by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 6:24:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:24:44 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:24:44 PM
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All depends what size pumps they have of how long it takes.
by rob at 3/27/2011 6:24:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:24:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:24:42 PM
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@radioguy the video of the helicopter flyby released today showed it.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 6:24:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:24:29 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:24:29 PM
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@Patrick Kelley [pessimist opinion] Don't worry, meanwhile 2 cores will have melt down and more, so no more need to cool them down :(
by Future Isnow at 3/27/2011 6:24:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:24:15 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:24:15 PM
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@All Abovetopsecret.com, anything by Alex Jones and possibly what comes out of zerohedge is generally crazy conspiracy theory stuff. Please take anything from there with a pound of salt.
by Nancy at 3/27/2011 6:24:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:24:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:24:00 PM
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I have a question about the containment lid discussion. I didn't find it scrolling back. Did something appear that made us certain a lid was blown off (other than the explosion?)
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 6:23:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:23:45 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:23:45 PM
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@Patrick Kelley Yes, other sources have confirmed, that removing the water from turbine and reactor halls will take months. I linked to this earlier.
by vasra at 3/27/2011 6:23:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:23:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:23:41 PM
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Adano said that they will need to have the fuel out. i think they are beginning to go crazy.
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 6:23:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:23:13 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:23:13 PM
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@all I've been reasearching the "puddles" and we are talking about 100,000's of gallons of water, to get this stuff out we are talking about months or years, not hours or days.
by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 6:22:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:22:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:22:36 PM
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@radioguy To the comment of "Does any one know the feelings in Tokyo". I have a good friend who's stayed with me before, and he's been re-offered his room in my house. He thanked us for the offer, but never said he was going to take it. Or even hinted that he was thinking about leaving yet.
by Natalie at 3/27/2011 6:21:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:21:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:21:57 PM
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@Dennis Tucker Jr In the original sample, it took 10 hours between sample taking and analysis, making it even more strange that such high amounts of I-134 were found.
In the new one, the time between sample taking and analysis was only 1 hour and 50 minutes.
by kb at 3/27/2011 6:21:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:21:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:21:33 PM
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@Matsuoko right, and then it will be just like my best friend's number I can't dial without my cell. ;)
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 6:21:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:21:26 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:21:26 PM
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@radioguy : oh you can just hit the "reply" arrow !!! ;)
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 6:20:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:20:19 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:20:19 PM
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@Matsuoko Sorry BS = Bull s#hit . Basically lies , usually intentional.
by vasra at 3/27/2011 6:20:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:20:15 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:20:15 PM
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Yes that was basically all I got from that latest press conference. "We're going to have to pump the water out and that will take some time." so until that happens it's just a holding pattern? And correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they continually flooding the whole site with more water just to keep the lid on?
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 6:19:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:19:50 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:19:50 PM
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www.blotodays stories are pinnomberg.com Looks like they found radiation in one of 3 plants in Tokyo area. No details on level of radiation measurement. Hence the directive to the water plants to not use rain water.
by quantman07 edited by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 6:18:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:18:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:18:53 PM
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@All: CERN In the light of the recent incidents at the Fukushima power plant in Japan, a factual take on safety in nuclear power plants will be presented.
indico.cern.chby Tenzing at 3/27/2011 6:18:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:18:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:18:36 PM
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@Matsuoko [opinion] That was when they have honor. now they just have bonus and stock options. Yakuzas have helped more the people in Shelters than Masataka Shimizu have helped his workers. Japan's people have honor, they are 16 days after, incredibly stoic, "digne" (?) They really desserve our admiration . but some people don't desserve to be called japanese (I would drop Masataka Shimizu as concrete, on the N°3 core, and spare his fortune to the 700 workers on site... ) unfortunately, they will always get out, leaving behind death and desolation .
by Future Isnow at 3/27/2011 6:17:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:17:55 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:17:55 PM
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@quantman07 we all clicked on it at once haha
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 6:17:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:17:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:17:20 PM
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@Matsuoko I'll get my fingers trained to the pattern of your name sooner or later.
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 6:17:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:17:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:17:09 PM
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by quantman07 at 3/27/2011 6:16:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:16:50 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:16:50 PM
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@radioguy : hey, again, don't forget us non-US readers !
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 6:16:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:16:48 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:16:48 PM
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retype: MITI was the Ministry of International Trade & Industry
by Apollo at 3/27/2011 6:16:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:16:44 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:16:44 PM
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@Matsuoke Bull S... er... droppings
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 6:15:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:15:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:15:57 PM
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@Matsuko, it is what comes out of the south side of a cow that is facing north.
by Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 6:15:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:15:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:15:51 PM
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When Japan's most powerful ministry, MITI = The Ministry of International Trade, was roiled by scandal (sex club expenditures, the existence of a shadow government of puppet masters = "kuromaku"), a ritual housekeeping ensued and a new ministry was born: METI, the Ministry Of Economy, Trade & Industry (which controls nuclear management, actually). It is as powerful as it ever was but tax dollars are no longer spent at sex clubs. A similar cleansing of TEPCO will occur, with similar results. TEPCO is indeed too big to fail, it supplies a third of Japan's total energy needs. I don't see a break up into smaller units, the big combines like Mitsubishi still resemble feudal "Zaibatsu" & this reality will likely persist.
by Apollo at 3/27/2011 6:15:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:15:47 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:15:47 PM
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Sheeesh, half of Japan is going to be Hibakusha before they start telling the truth.
by Miles at 3/27/2011 6:15:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:15:30 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:15:30 PM
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@all CERN Arrival time and magnitude of airborne fission products from the Fukushima, Japan,reactor incident as measuredin Seattle WA, USA March 25, 2011
cdsweb.cern.ch I trust CERN.
by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 6:15:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:15:22 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:15:22 PM
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@vasra agreed. There are some misinformation I've already found in their calculations.
by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 6:15:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:15:15 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:15:15 PM
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@radioguy: I know a few ppl there, last I talked to one of them was on Friday and mood was a bit anxious, but not really panic. The panicky people are mainly expats.
by sims at 3/27/2011 6:15:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:15:03 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:15:03 PM
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@vasra :sorry, what is "BS" ?
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 6:14:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:14:56 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:14:56 PM
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@George Gibb Be very careful with how you read Zero Hedge. Although they are known to break news, they are also highly prone to hyperbole and worst case scenario. More than 90% of the doom-gloom scenarios they've painted in the past 2 years have NOT come to pass. I estimate their miss ratio will continue be the same. One has to read their reporting with a BS filter, just as one may use a filter with Tepco press briefings :)
by vasra at 3/27/2011 6:14:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:14:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:14:09 PM
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The abovetopsecret story does remind me. I'd meant to ask, Anyone from Tokyo? What's the mood. ARE people leaving if they have houses elsewhere?
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 6:13:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:13:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:13:54 PM
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@elainekirk2001 Wow. "No, we are never wrong, thank you". You've got to be kidding. It is now time for the int'l community to get the heck in there and quick. If we can stop Quaddafi from killing innocents then it should be no problem stopping Japan's gov't....
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 6:13:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:13:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:13:39 PM
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Pumping out the radioactive water is about all I have heard about. Into the sea .
by Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 6:13:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:13:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:13:28 PM
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Why are Tepco still cal;ling the shots?? How can they say 'NO' to independent checks??
by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 6:12:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:12:50 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:12:50 PM
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has anyone seen info on the next plan of action, with the info out or lack of it, seems they are losing the battle.... even if they arent now would be the planning stage to prep for the "what if"
by fitter at 3/27/2011 6:12:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:12:30 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:12:30 PM
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WTF!! TEPCO Vice President Sakae Muto said a new test had found radiation levels 100,000 times above normal — far better than the first results, though still very high.
But he ruled out having an independent monitor oversee the various checks despite the errors. !!! Yahoo have got this from associated press.
news.yahoo.comby elainekirk at 3/27/2011 6:11:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:11:55 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:11:55 PM
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by Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 6:09:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:09:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:09:42 PM
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abovetopsecret is a concentrated dose of BS. I guesstimate that ca. 3% of the "information" on that page are correct.
by Salvador at 3/27/2011 6:09:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:09:37 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:09:37 PM
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@vasra: ok, thanks. I still feel for the guy.
by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 6:08:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:08:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:08:54 PM
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@Tenzing Hysteria in the face of uncertainty and emotional crisis. Japan is not evacuating. And Abovetopsecret is a prime contender for misinformation of millenium award.
by vasra at 3/27/2011 6:08:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:08:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:08:10 PM
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@Sky My source was a video from a few days ago and may (like so many reports) have been wrong.
by Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 6:07:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:07:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:07:59 PM
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do not think it was hanging on the crane!!! you never work or leave a load on a crane due to faluire of load falling (to many veriables.. Hooks.. cains.. connections.. cables etc.) but you would stage it somewere close to the activity while working
by fitter at 3/27/2011 6:07:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:07:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:07:52 PM
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@kb Do you truly believe that they went from 2.6MBq to none detected that quick?
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 6:07:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:07:47 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:07:47 PM
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this is the best summary I have seen of tepco finances the link was open when I tried but the times are well known for asking payment so if people cant read it I will try find another
www.google.co.ukby elainekirk at 3/27/2011 6:07:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:07:45 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:07:45 PM
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As far as TEPCO liability, it is unfortunate that illnesses related to radiation exposure are very difficult to prove.
by Miles at 3/27/2011 6:07:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:07:11 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:07:11 PM
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@Future Isnow : normally, they make Harakiri.
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 6:07:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:07:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:07:08 PM
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@all: CONSIDERATION: Japan is evacuating. Not sure how to take this. This man is very obviously very upset but he says Tokyo has been advised not to use tap water at all. What do you think? Its from that site that Dean posted the other day that sent some of us into a mild state of ???
www.abovetopsecret.comby Tenzing at 3/27/2011 6:07:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:07:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:07:00 PM
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Didn't one of the Japanese new agencies say that the 3 exposed workers would be released on Mon. (tomorrow for U.S.)? Has anyone heard anything more about that?
by Stormy at 3/27/2011 6:06:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:06:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:06:43 PM
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@Tenzing I believe the duration of time may lead to the true exposure level, however it doesn't help tell us whether or not they were near a localized hot spot or whether the area is saturated. The significance to me is whether there is actual material [presumably corium at this point] or is the water irradiated. But if the stories about the lesions are tru, he received more than 6 S/hr.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 6:06:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:06:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:06:43 PM
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@Ralph, not alpha; the articles about the worker radiation injuries (at least the ones I read) said they suffered beta burn.
by Sky at 3/27/2011 6:06:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:06:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:06:10 PM
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@Future isnow: a deal has probably been worked out behind closed doors already. A bunch of major *** banks refinanced Tepco to the tune of a few billions a few days ago. Can't imagine they would have done that without some fairly explicit guarantees.
by sims at 3/27/2011 6:05:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:05:55 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:05:55 PM
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I think it was mentioned that the workers got alpha radiation, not gamma.
en.wikipedia.orgby Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 6:04:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:04:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:04:59 PM
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don't confuse containment lid with reactor (vessel) lid...
by fitter at 3/27/2011 6:04:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:04:56 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:04:56 PM
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The first tests of the water were totally different from TEPCO to NISA. NISA shows the presence of Cl-68 (half-life of 28min or so{estimate}) This is the proof of criticality and we may have a piece of corium burning through the reactor core. We all just need to hope to god that they can cool it sufficiently to burn through the reactor.
by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 6:04:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:04:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:04:51 PM
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@fitter : you think they had the containment open for cleaning it ? could be, that's right. i agree, it cannot be pressure from an empty containment, it must have been hanging on the crane.
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 6:04:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:04:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:04:43 PM
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@Miles to be honest, the future of Masataka Shimizu, I don't give a dimme. the only concern for me is that investores still play for the up or down of the shares. And that is something I can't understand , in such a crisis. Tepco cotation should have been stopped the 12 march... Just a thought : what is Tepco declare bankrupcy tomorrow morning, and sent home all his workers ???
by Future Isnow at 3/27/2011 6:04:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:04:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:04:10 PM
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Well, they announced that TEPCO will be liable for damages etc. There is no way they'll be able to pay that, so guess shareholders will get wiped out and the rest nationalised/guaranteed by the state and later re-privatised or some such.
by sims at 3/27/2011 6:03:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:03:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:03:27 PM
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@marie rich the problem with the so called to big to fail status is the tax payers are now starting to understand they are to big to support
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 6:02:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:02:55 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:02:55 PM
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@Miles Yep...the TEPCO chief is going to be the first guy thrown under the bus for the Fukushima disaster. I knew that was going to happen when he apologized publicly a few days ago.
by James Ward at 3/27/2011 6:02:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:02:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:02:09 PM
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@Future et all Do we know the reactor lid was still off after an operation started in December? Wouldn't that expose the area around it to some constant residual radiation?
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 6:01:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:01:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:01:34 PM
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@Miles idk. GoJ is already saying they will cover costs of tsunami repairs for all people in affected areas. TEPCO might be "too big to fail" *GAG*
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 6:00:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:00:29 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:00:29 PM
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If Tepco is like US nuke co. they have a liability cap, that may be the 26 billion figure.
by Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 6:00:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:00:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:00:16 PM
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@Miles @Tenzing Thanks. I have read the same article Tenzing have read. What is strange also is that the video we have all seen whas showing lesion on an arm ... When exposed to such radioactivity, even if it is by the feets, all the body show problems, I don't think 1000 millisiverts have show these wounds "one day after" , and if we look at Chernobyl last footage, the only one who seem to have the same wounding were people exposed to several dozen Siverts or sometime hundreds. [opinion]
by Future Isnow at 3/27/2011 6:00:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:00:14 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:00:14 PM
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@matsucko would make sense it was put thier during refuling work, to blow off would have to have been internal pressure in my opion and would have caused serious "ripping" efect damage.. the quake happened during work hours and here in the states, maintaince work can run 24/7 so as to get unit back on line.. do not know the paticulars of what they were doing to unit #4 that it was already in shut down mode
by fitter at 3/27/2011 5:59:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:59:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:59:43 AM
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@radioguy, obviously.
by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 5:59:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:59:19 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:59:19 AM
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@radioguy : i do not know that, but it seems logical, no ? having a huge cap hanging on a crane during an earthquake does not really make sense. this seems criminal to me.
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 5:58:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:58:58 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:58:58 AM
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Tepco Chief Pressured to Quit After Costing Holders $26 Billion -
www.businessweek.com I think it's going to be a lot more than 26 billion...
by Miles at 3/27/2011 5:58:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:58:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:58:40 AM
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@Patrick If that's so, they would have had to know it was bad science when they released that info.
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 5:58:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:58:38 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:58:38 AM
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[OPINION] An example of how the Japanese government manages extreme crisis can be found in their response to the economic "Bubble" catastrophe of the 1990s. Japan was on top of the world back then when suddenly their economy exploded, property values plummeted and the Nikkei went from 38.9K to below 10K. The Japanese opted for a slow, incremental approach to resolving the problem, an approach that is still in operation decades later. Contrast this with the US approach to the Savings & Loan crisis of the 80s or the much more recent economic crisis of 2008 --Extraordinary stimulus and clean up activities. I do not personally feel that slow, incremental steps will resolve the Fukushima crisis in an optimal manner. I hope that despite evidence to the contrary, the Japanese authorities are aggressively engaged & not quietly preparing themselves for a 30 year program of timid counter-measures.
by Apollo at 3/27/2011 5:58:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:58:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:58:27 AM
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@Patrick Kelly Yes. Iodine134 has a half life of 52minutes. So enough could have broken down tto not be a significant measurement.
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 5:58:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:58:05 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:58:05 AM
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also, based on the amount of radiation in this pool, I doubt they sent someone in to get a new sample. Using a 5 hour old sample to test for isotopes that only last 1-2hr's of course the results will be much, much lower.
by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 5:57:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:57:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:57:54 AM
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@Matsuko OK, so they must have replaced the cap after the maintenance? I can't believe they'd either leave it hanging OR put it somewhere else but on the reactor.
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 5:57:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:57:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:57:04 AM
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I have followed zero hedge for a few years now and they are known to tell it like it is. Their coverage of the financial crisis has been very good.
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 5:55:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:55:56 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:55:56 AM
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@ralph please also keep in mind iodine 134 breaks down in a matter of hours. I believe they took the same sample hours later and retested it. Showing far lower levels because of the short half-life nuclides breaking down.
by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 5:55:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:55:48 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:55:48 AM
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@radioguy december
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 5:55:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:55:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:55:35 AM
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by marie rich at 3/27/2011 5:54:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:54:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:54:31 AM
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TEPCO says the radioactive materials include 2.9-billion (not million, is this the error that led to the 10 million figure?) becquerels of iodine-134, 13-million becquerels of iodine-131, and 2.3-million becquerels each for cesium 134 and 137.
by Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 5:54:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:54:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:54:20 AM
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@All - I am not a subscriber so not sure there are many pertinent details in that article.
by Stormy at 3/27/2011 5:54:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:54:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:54:10 AM
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@fitter #4
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 5:54:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:54:05 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:54:05 AM
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@all When was the maintenance to remove the spent fuel? September?
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 5:54:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:54:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:54:00 AM
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@matsucko regards to lifting apparatus on video, do you know what building it was - having volume issue at the moment and do not read japanize?
by fitter at 3/27/2011 5:53:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:53:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:53:42 AM
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by Stormy at 3/27/2011 5:53:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:53:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:53:31 AM
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@Nancy : yes, but they can't impossibly leave it hanging on a crane for a long period. in case of an earthquake this is completely unstable !
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 5:53:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:53:15 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:53:15 AM
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In one of the other pics of the maintenance process it showed it swung off to the side and hanging there.
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 5:52:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:52:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:52:59 AM
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@all remember that sieverts are "absorbed dose" if we are talking about wounds on the legs and water getting into the wounds, even a lower dose of environmental radiation will cause a higher dose of absorbed radiation. Internal radiation can increase sieverts by 1000x fold.
by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 5:52:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:52:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:52:57 AM
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One of the articles I've read said the workers were in the water for 40 minutes.
by Miles at 3/27/2011 5:49:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:49:58 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:49:58 AM
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@Dennis Tucker: your opinion please. I've followed this site from the beginning of this EVENT. This morning I noticed Dean posted it as well. Zero Hedge - Following the eariler TEMPCO flap, here is a simple way to resolve the true radioactivity at reactor 2 - "
All that needs to be disclosed now is how long these workers were in the contaminated water for. If it was between 2 and 6 hours, and the cumulative exposure was 2 - 6 sieverts, it would be rather consistent with the reported record exposure of 1 sievert/hour. If it was shorter, and the upper estimate is correct, the exposure could be as high as 6 sieverts/hour, a figure, based on the prior methodology, about 60 million times higher than permitted". www.zerohedge.comby Tenzing at 3/27/2011 5:47:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:47:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:47:28 AM
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@Salvador Think you're right.
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 5:46:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:46:38 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:46:38 AM
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Sorry, I thought I could post two pictures. Here the flight from the 15th again:
imgur.comby Salvador at 3/27/2011 5:46:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:46:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:46:35 AM
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I think I have identified the SFP of No. 3 from a correlation of videos. imgur.com Flight at the 15th i.imgur.com Flight at the 27th We can't be totally sure about this, but I think the location of the destroyed crane and the cement pump at #4 (south side) is a another good indication.
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Salvador via
I.imgur at 3/27/2011 5:45:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:45:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:45:04 AM
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@radioguy: every country thinks their engineers are the most competent and that their regulatory agency will effectively enforce the regulations....i read somewhere that these old reactors are like atm's for their respective energy company's.
by elise at 3/27/2011 5:44:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:44:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:44:41 AM
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by Karen Warren edited by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 5:44:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:44:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:44:08 AM
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@kb 0.3 mBq/m3 sounds like pretty much nothing though.. About one decay per hour per cubic meter - amazed it's even possible to distinguish that from the general background radiation.
by sims at 3/27/2011 5:43:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:43:32 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:43:32 AM
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@kb which would make sense, since I134 has a half life of only 52 minutes
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 5:43:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:43:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:43:18 AM
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by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 5:43:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:43:05 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:43:05 AM
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@radioguy True and I think governments need to address these issues
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 5:39:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:39:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:39:31 AM
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@KT39 0,3 mBq/m3 was measured as far away as Stockholm (Sweden) four days ago.
by kb at 3/27/2011 5:37:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:37:50 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:37:50 AM
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@George That NYT article makes a good point, about these plant designs being based on old science. Given the aging infrastructure and lack of any sort of disposal strategy, isn't that true of most of our plants?
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 5:36:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:36:46 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:36:46 AM
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@Dennis Tucker Jr It says that they analysed for all isotopes in the table, but that some did not amount to the "detection value".
by kb at 3/27/2011 5:35:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:35:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:35:42 AM
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And now...low level radiation found in Massachusetts rainwater:
bostonherald.comby KT39 at 3/27/2011 5:35:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:35:21 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:35:21 AM
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@Future Isnow Okay, I misinterpreted what the mistake actually was =)
by kb at 3/27/2011 5:34:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:34:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:34:00 AM
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@kb All the cesium levels are now higher, with a later sample. Bad indications of a severe meltdown already happened. Love how they omitted I-134 from the last sample too.. Probably would have started pandemonium in N Japan.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 5:32:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:32:13 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:32:13 AM
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closer looking on the yellow structure in the video: there is a square structure on top of the round head. this looks exactly like the lifting device of the crane. so i agree the yellow cap is the drywell head with the lifting device on it. if this is correct, it is possible that it just ripped off during the earthquake. i don't think it is correct to have the lifting device on the drywell head. in an earthquake, the drywell and the crane will have different tumbling frequencies and this will lead to an instant rip off. at this point tepco ignored the safety precautions. i cannot believe this. what do you think (i hope my thoughts are understandable)?
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 5:32:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:32:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:32:07 AM
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Some good articles sadly the bulk of it for the day now
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 5:30:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:30:47 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:30:47 AM
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@George Thanks for all the links.
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 5:29:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:29:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:29:59 AM
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@kb yes, that is why the french press MISTAKE is very important to be corrected. it(s Microsivert for tokyo and every others towns.
by Future Isnow at 3/27/2011 5:29:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:29:46 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:29:46 AM
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by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 5:28:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:28:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:28:54 AM
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@Future Isnow 0.22 mSv in Tokyo? Today? I heard it's 0.118 uSv.
by kb at 3/27/2011 5:28:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:28:30 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:28:30 AM
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by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 5:26:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:26:17 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:26:17 AM
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@all . hello, just to inform you that this morning, every major French media (Le Monde, l'express, Nouvel Obs, Le Figaro, France télévision, etc), were using millisiverts when talking about radioactivity in Tokyo and others places, may be because they just used the same press agency information , who made a mistake. That was really bad, because people do the math between 1000 millisiverts and the so said 0.22 millisivert for Tokyo, and have for conclusion that it is not so bad, afterall. Hopefully, a lot of people have posted about that mistake, or phone to the medias, and this evening, almost 80 % have corrected the mistakes. not all for now, I hope it will come very soon . My normal mind say it was a mistake, that's all . my "conspirationist dark side" say it could be done to make the situation looking better. And the good thing is that I spent my whole day on this, to correct the mistake and was very happy to have found others net's user which have done the same.
by Future Isnow at 3/27/2011 5:25:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:25:49 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:25:49 AM
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TEPCO: New analyses of water in turbine building of Unit 2
Column 1: Original analysis
Column 2: Reassessment of original analysis
Column 3: New analysis of original sample
Column 4: New sample
The times in row 2 are those of sample taking (upper) and analysis (lower).
www.tepco.co.jpby kb at 3/27/2011 5:25:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:25:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:25:43 AM
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@Alin Thanks.
by kb at 3/27/2011 5:25:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:25:38 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:25:38 AM
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@George Reading between the lines of that CBC story, with the timing of the plutonium testin right after it makes me think the reading was not credible because their sample happened to contain a tiny particulate of plutonium in it. Thoughts anyone?
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 5:25:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:25:13 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:25:13 AM
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by elise at 3/27/2011 5:24:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:24:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:24:53 AM
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surprised, but glad to see close up video of damage... confirmes what most already suspected.... i dought they have little hope of getting some of these systems running, has nothing to do with power, just pure damage to mechanical systems and avalibilty of parts and acess to areas...
by fitter at 3/27/2011 5:24:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:24:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:24:27 AM
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@George Gibb Yes, very. Only reinforces my stance that ANY probability greater than 0% needs to be addressed when designing critical and/or potentially devastating systems. Hindsight is 20/20 yet the world is still legally blind for the most part.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 5:23:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:23:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:23:24 AM
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@kb Ctrl Enter
by Alin at 3/27/2011 5:23:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:23:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:23:00 AM
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gotta love some headlines Reporter forcibly locked in closet at Biden fundraiser
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 5:22:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:22:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:22:52 AM
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WaPo:
“It will take them years, probably, to get rid of all that water,” Barrett said. “The science is known. But it is a Herculean task.” www.washingtonpost.comby vasra at 3/27/2011 5:22:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:22:47 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:22:47 AM
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@Alaskan - I can see your readings and many others, inc. my state's. A few in CA and NY were don though, and I'm sure several others.
by NervousinNJ at 3/27/2011 5:21:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:21:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:21:34 AM
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by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 5:21:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:21:14 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:21:14 AM
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by Yuri at 3/27/2011 5:21:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:21:06 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:21:06 AM
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Didn't mean to send that... How do you insert line breaks?
by kb at 3/27/2011 5:21:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:21:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:21:01 AM
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Have you discussed the results of the new water analyses? They're available in Japan at the Tepco site:
www.tepco.co.jp Upper time is time of sample taking, lower
by kb at 3/27/2011 5:20:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:20:19 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:20:19 AM
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@vasra Thanks! I suspected that was the case but didn't know for sure.
by James Ward at 3/27/2011 5:20:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:20:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:20:01 AM
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by pgen at 3/27/2011 5:19:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:19:47 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:19:47 AM
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Quick reference link: The Tokyo page on the timeanddate site. Time, weather, wind and forecast.
www.timeanddate.comby radioguy at 3/27/2011 5:19:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:19:32 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:19:32 AM
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@Dennis Tucker Jr the NY Times article is good
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 5:19:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:19:19 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:19:19 AM
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@Alaskan I can access them. One site was down.
by Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 5:18:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:18:58 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:18:58 AM
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@James Ward No, it takes anything from a few seconds to a few dozen minutes to do soil samples using modern Japanese commercial methods to du Pu-239 and Pu-240 sampling. Not days.
by vasra at 3/27/2011 5:18:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:18:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:18:57 AM
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by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 5:18:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:18:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:18:34 AM
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@George Gibb Knew that was coming because of the n-nw winds periodically. Was a matter of time.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 5:18:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:18:32 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:18:32 AM
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@Jojo I'm more concerned with this statement from the NHK report: "The company says it expects the results will be available within several days." Why several days? Does it really take that long to know whether or not you have plutonium in the soil?
by James Ward at 3/27/2011 5:17:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:17:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:17:43 AM
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suspect the pipes shown are NOT critical pipes, due to location, lack of protection etc., but some of the other videos shots i have seen, there does look to be critical pipies that look the same and do not go anywhere anymore...
by fitter at 3/27/2011 5:17:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:17:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:17:41 AM
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All Things Nuclear: "How Much Does Japan Know About the Status of its Reactors?"
by Dom at 3/27/2011 5:17:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:17:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:17:28 AM
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@Jojo, that is because of the mysterious "neutron beams" they found earlier. The source most likely is escaped fissible material.
by Peter Melzer at 3/27/2011 5:16:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:16:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:16:52 AM
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@Jojo See page three, @half way down for discussion and links
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 5:16:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:16:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:16:52 AM
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@jojo was just reading it... well it's good they are asking for independent investigation. Kind of late, though.
by Diane at 3/27/2011 5:16:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:16:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:16:28 AM
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by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 5:16:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:16:26 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:16:26 AM
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@Jojo On the contrary! We have been waiting for that for almost two weeks now (since the explosion on the 13th). They've been promising it, promising it, promising it. I hope they finally give results.
by vasra at 3/27/2011 5:15:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:15:58 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:15:58 AM
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@jojo I'm surprised this is the first time they've done it... openly at least
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 5:15:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:15:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:15:41 AM
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Is the yellow round container in today's SDF video of reactor building 4 the removed cover of the containment? The reactor was under maintenance and had been opened for fuel rod removal, so it would make sense that the top cover of the containment would have been lifted and moved aside? This is just guesswork, not based on Tepco explanations.
by vasra at 3/27/2011 5:15:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:15:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:15:08 AM
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Anyone else worried about this story?
www3.nhk.or.jp TEPCO: Soil samples being checked for plutonium
by Jojo at 3/27/2011 5:14:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:14:45 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:14:45 AM
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epa.gov must be SLAMMED about now.
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 5:14:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:14:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:14:24 AM
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@gabe, thanks -- all the Lower 48 cities I've tried so far yield the graph page with text but no graphic data. Page will not completely load. Lower 48 servers must be too busy -- I must be on a local server for Anchorage data.
by Alaskan at 3/27/2011 5:14:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:14:05 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:14:05 AM
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been following since the Reuters live blog, finally decided to join in the discussion (or have the option to) Glad this site got started and is taking off, thank you mods!
by NervousinNJ at 3/27/2011 5:13:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:13:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:13:41 AM
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@ Marie Rich : Can't acces to the data, the page is always refreshing
by Chadoz at 3/27/2011 5:13:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:13:13 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:13:13 AM
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*stray observation* JFL's I looked at a few sites selling rad monitors and they were all sold out! Good time to own stock
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 5:12:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:12:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:12:10 AM
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by gabe at 3/27/2011 5:12:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:12:02 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:12:02 AM
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Strangely, I can access EPA RadNet data for my city but not for anywhere else. See
www.epa.gov Can any of you outside AK see this data?
by Alaskan at 3/27/2011 5:10:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:10:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:10:27 AM
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@radioguy Since the 13th IIRC
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 5:09:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:09:48 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:09:48 AM
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@stef I think what we're seeing here is every single way of saying meltdown that there is without using the word. Partial meltdowns have been admitted for days now.
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 5:09:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:09:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:09:27 AM
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@All for those new people watching and want to join the discussion your first post goes to moderation then following posts will be auto-approve. You can check latest news from the pinned comment.
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 5:08:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:08:46 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:08:46 AM
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Those pipes look more like heating | air conditioning to me.
by elise at 3/27/2011 5:08:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:08:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:08:08 AM
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@Sky Maybe we'll discover a way to track radiation levels house-to-house because of it [lol]?? Anything can be a good thing... depending on how you look at it. Just ask TEPCO.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 5:07:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:07:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:07:43 AM
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A lot of experience here! That's great. I noticed we're really taking off on google today, so try to stay professional. and friendly:)
by Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 5:07:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:07:38 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:07:38 AM
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@Sky And to be fair, it could be a configuration error on their side. It's not because of the website being too busy though. We'll see in the days to come if they get around to "fixing" the bug, or if the data remains hidden.
by Jojo at 3/27/2011 5:07:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:07:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:07:34 AM
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The data that produces the EPA's radiation graphs comes over an HTTPS connection which would be inherently slower due to the encryption/decryption. The entire EPA CDX login site serves everything over HTTPS and from my past logins (when I could log in!) I can say it was a slow website.
by Sky at 3/27/2011 5:07:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:07:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:07:27 AM
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@fitter on the diagram showing the feedwater pipes, is that the disconnected pipe coming out in the foreground on this: static.tijd.be
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radioguy via
Static.tijd.be at 3/27/2011 5:06:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:06:45 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:06:45 AM
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All right. It is good that everybody is bringing their computer and networking expertise to bear on the subject. Thanks everybody.
by Sky at 3/27/2011 5:05:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:05:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:05:08 AM
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@Jojo No doubt!! @Sky I think JoJo was just pointing out how convenient it is that when people are now looking for stats, they are not there. I too am aware of the factors of the web. It could have been a server fetch overload because as the news broke everyone ran to their computers.... coincidence.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 5:04:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:04:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:04:27 AM
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@Sky Yes I do know how web installations are constructed, I am a web developer. Try loading the image by itself, it loads instantly (with an error). This wouldn't happen if the site had a lot of hits, it would timeout after 20-30 seconds and then give an error.
by Jojo at 3/27/2011 5:04:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:04:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:04:16 AM
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@jojo
news.yahoo.com re: Fukushima-Related FOIA Request: Full Data Sought on Radiation Levels That Led To NRC Chair's Call for 50-Mile Evacuation Radius for Americans in J
by dtinla at 3/27/2011 5:03:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:03:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:03:53 AM
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Is it not obvious that a meltdown has occurred based on these updates?
by stef at 3/27/2011 5:03:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:03:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:03:31 AM
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@Jojo, you do not know how web installations are constructed. There are man configurations that have a separate data repository where the data is fetched from a different machine over different network connections. The web server itself is UP but the data source is not providing the data the web server needs to build the pages correctly. It is nonsense to make a conspiracy theory out of this. Maybe something has been taken down, maybe it's database maintenance on a Sunday, maybe it's overload. Sorry. The conspiracy inference might be right but it might be flat out wrong.
by Sky at 3/27/2011 5:02:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:02:21 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:02:21 AM
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@Dennis Tucker Jr BTW, I think that no one should be concerned at all, not that they were relying on a "conservative's" standard of concern. :)
by Jojo at 3/27/2011 5:01:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:01:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:01:09 AM
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@Treiagonaut I'd say that the steaming level is the lip of the SFP. Take the perspective of thge shot into account and you can see the level is about where that visible horizontal division on the outer building is on R4 next to it.
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 5:00:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 5:00:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:00:01 AM
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@Sky It's absolutely not the webserver, because the pages serve up instantly. Try to find any detail of radiation levels on the site, even in text (not on the graph). It's being deliberately hidden.
by Jojo at 3/27/2011 4:59:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:59:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:59:51 AM
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by audi at 3/27/2011 4:58:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:58:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:58:42 AM
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the web site for construction pictures is
www.scribd.com ....if you look at the stubs comming out of contaiment vessel, these are the connections for pipes and mechanical appreatices.. all are potential weak spot in a quake or explosion... chain is only as strong as weakes link..
by fitter at 3/27/2011 4:58:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:58:32 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:58:32 AM
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@Tenzing and others, yes you can click any city on the EPA's map and prior to today, below the "below any conservative level of concern" verbiage would appear two graphs (time series), one for beta and one for gamma. Today the HTML verbiage still appears but the graphs are not retrieving the data from the EPA's server. It might be web server overload, or it might be deliberate. I suspect probably the former. When something is reported on TV, lots and lots of people will try to access corroborating data from web sources simultaneously, which could exceed web server capability. Or it could be something more sinister. I just do not know. See
www.radiationnetwork.com for independent sourced radiation data for USA - does not look bad.
by Sky at 3/27/2011 4:58:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:58:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:58:28 AM
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@Dennis Tucker Jr Someone from the press should file a FOIA request. Of course, the press seems to be burying this story as well, or perhaps they are just ignorant. Wouldn't want us children to "panic".
by Jojo at 3/27/2011 4:58:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:58:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:58:04 AM
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@fitter This was the basis of my previous speculation also. Key word is speculation, though. We can guess all day but without some actual data to show what is supposed to be where and some clearer images all we really can do is wait for independents on the ground to supply some real info.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 4:56:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:56:55 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:56:55 AM
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@Sky You don't find it odd that you can't log in now, AND that no data is available? The site is very fast, it's not like they are getting bombarded with thousands of hits a minute. They are purposely not showing the details. Even in press reports, they don't give any detail. They have been ordered not to, probably from the White House.
by Jojo at 3/27/2011 4:55:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:55:03 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:55:03 AM
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@Jojo As if we should be trusting a conservative's "level of concern"! Thanks, I'll pass. Real data, please!! [@ the EPA]
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 4:53:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:53:58 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:53:58 AM
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before looking at new video, suggest going to
www.youtube.com the size of this explosion was immense.... welcome feed back from any experts out there... look at the size of plume (with energy hieght) in relation to the building vs the cooling/exhaust towers (assume thats what they are) to the height of the plume... then pay attention to the size and continuing breakup of the peices falling back down... any one out there with some estimates with the power/energy involved?? most piping systems are not engineered to what looks like a powerful explosion... the top of building looks to be designed to explode vs retain the pressure.... but this explosion was much different that the first.. it seemed to explode outward on #1 not upward.... does not appear othere than containment vessel... much survived... debrie falling backward to ground seems to be more than just roof... to get a good laymans look at the reactor and containment vessel go to (lost address) will post in a few minites.. gives pictures of brownsferry under construction and also a summary to the current events.. again anyone out there that can put "explosion energy and damage" in some context
by fitter at 3/27/2011 4:52:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:52:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:52:51 AM
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"To-date, levels recorded at this monitor have been thousands of times below any conservative level of concern." Isn't that the same answer the Japanese have been saying for EVERYONE?
by Jojo at 3/27/2011 4:51:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:51:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:51:39 AM
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I can't find anything about the report by NHK of 2.9 Billion becquerels per cubic centimeter in the reactor water. I never did know exactly what "water" they were referring. Was that also retracted IDK. I think I'm going to save to my hard drive anything that might be "hot",(no pun implied). This came off an NHK video that was translated, so little tough, but I think the translation was ok because she first said million and then corrected herself to Billion and repeated Billion. Pretty worrisome anyway, they are clowns or crooks, can't tell. Either way, amounts to the same I guess. The one thing they didn't retract was the 1Sv/hr reading (1000mSv/hr)(1000000uSv/hr), for the reactor water and why are they mixing units? Are they trying to make it confusing? I know this stuff and I have to think about it a little. u=mu
by Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 4:51:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:51:15 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:51:15 AM
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@stef couple stories to read in the pinned section
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 4:51:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:51:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:51:08 AM
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The EPA has a daily summary here
www.epcoca.gov . That has a lot more detail: The levels detected are far below levels of concern. The levels detected are far below levels of concern. The levels detected are far below levels of concern. The levels detected are far below levels of concern.
by Jojo edited by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 4:50:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:50:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:50:59 AM
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Thanks for the EPA link Sky. When clicking ANY monitoring station to get the actual numbers, the result is "To-date, levels recorded at this monitor have been thousands of times below any conservative level of concern." Now doesn't that make you feel better?
by Jojo at 3/27/2011 4:50:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:50:23 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:50:23 AM
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hello all; any updates?
by stef at 3/27/2011 4:50:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:50:05 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:50:05 AM
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@Sky is this similar to what your looking for?
www.epa.govby Tenzing at 3/27/2011 4:49:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:49:49 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:49:49 AM
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@All - Just in case anyone wants the link to the interview with the contractor that was inside #3 during the quake.
www2.canada.comby Stormy at 3/27/2011 4:49:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:49:44 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:49:44 AM
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@Treiagonaut, looks like the drywell head in the middle around 1 cm from the left edge of the image..
by WolfDK at 3/27/2011 4:48:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:48:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:48:01 AM
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Without being able to see the top of #3 (it's either covered or it's gone) it is way too hard to try and speculate how/what is damaged or still intact. The JAIF reports point towards all 3 loaded reactors having nothing to contain pressure with so who really knows but TEPCO at this point.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 4:47:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:47:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:47:57 AM
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At the moment, I cannot log on to the EPA's Central Data Exchange website to download U.S. radiation monitoring data.
epa.gov Nor do the EPA's public webpages display properly. The HTML is OK, but the image files that should display graphs are not being built by the server and do not render.
www.epa.gov I don't necessarily attribute this to any conspiracy or cover-up, but I did want to retrieve that data and study it for myself, and this is the first time I haven't been able to.
by Sky at 3/27/2011 4:46:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:46:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:46:59 AM
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and KT39!
by Janis Moulton at 3/27/2011 4:45:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:45:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:45:01 AM
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@Janis Moulton lol no, thanks KT39!! (i still had it copied to clipboard)
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 4:44:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:44:19 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:44:19 AM
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Reactor 3 on left, reactor 4 on right
static.tijd.be . It is possible to see something in the rubble of 3 that is steaming.
by Treiagonaut at 3/27/2011 4:44:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:44:13 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:44:13 AM
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Thanks Dennis
by Janis Moulton at 3/27/2011 4:43:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:43:05 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:43:05 AM
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Source for low levels of Iodine 131 detected in Florida and South Carolina:
www2.nbc17.com by KT39 at 3/27/2011 4:42:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:42:49 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:42:49 AM
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Diagram to compare, just fyi.
www.facebook.com!/photo.php?fbid=1908692764090&set=o.186860624662864&theater
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 4:42:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:42:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:42:35 AM
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by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 4:42:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:42:02 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:42:02 AM
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@Lethbridgean Deepest speculation would be that #3's containment head got launched into #4's building since we do know for sure what #3's explosion looked like from the video. As violent (and the color bothered me also) as it was, I'd say 30% chance that it's #3's. But this is indeed pure pure speculation now. Something to avoid too much of right now.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 4:40:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:40:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:40:39 AM
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@Matsuoko Refueling activities www.nucleartourist.com
Fuel handling activities during outage (23K); BWR core during refueling showing blue glow from Cerenkov radiation (79K); Typical Reactor Building layout (106K); Reactor vessel head being lifted (85K); Refueling floor during outage after reactor vessel head has been removed . Note boundary between areas (85K); Refueling floor during operation (120K) www.nucleartourist.com
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Tenzing via
Nucleartourist at 3/27/2011 4:40:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:40:38 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:40:38 AM
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I'm with matsuko here, the head of the dry well is just too huge to be that yellow sphere from the video. Impossible.
by Salvador at 3/27/2011 4:40:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:40:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:40:27 AM
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Ralph Unger via
Files.gereports at 3/27/2011 4:40:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:40:26 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:40:26 AM
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@KT39 I'm just getting here. Would you mind posting your source on iodine being detected in SC and Florida. I'm in SC and family in Fl. Thanks and good morning all.
by Janis Moulton at 3/27/2011 4:40:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:40:13 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:40:13 AM
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@Matsuoko Not the reactor vessel head, but the containment vessel head above it
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 4:39:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:39:49 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:39:49 AM
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@Lethbridgean I think that event correlated with a few ufo reports of a glowing dome like saucer (j/k)
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 4:39:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:39:38 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:39:38 AM
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So was the yellow dome we see in pics/videos in #3 or #4?
by Stormy at 3/27/2011 4:39:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:39:12 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:39:12 AM
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@Tenzing : i don't want to disturb the discussion, but this cannot be the steel vessel head. i estimate it is the refueling head of the drywell. the vessel head is beneath that.
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 4:37:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:37:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:37:18 AM
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@Dennis Tucker: where is this dome on unit #3? Speculation may be needed. Look at the explosion video of reactor 3 very closely.
by Lethbridgean at 3/27/2011 4:37:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:37:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:37:09 AM
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@es yep - seemed like several articles came out along those lines
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 4:36:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:36:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:36:28 AM
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@marie rich They removed all of the fuel from #4. #4's SFP contains the still good fuel. SOP or not, they defueled it for [most likely] maintenance so it is quite possible that the lid was already off for said maintenance. Only TEPCO knows the true answer- good luck there.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 4:36:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:36:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:36:00 AM
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Well, once again I must hope for some good news tomorrow :(. It's late and I will start getting cranky soon (that won't be good at all for my interactions here). I'll take my leave now while I still (hopefully ^^) haven't insulted anyone or made an ass of myself.
by borrrden at 3/27/2011 4:35:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:35:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:35:40 AM
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@George Gibb Wasn't that what yesterday's BBC article was trying to do?
by es at 3/27/2011 4:35:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:35:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:35:36 AM
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Source:http://www2.nbc17.com/news/wake-county/2011/mar/26/progress-energy-confirms-radiation-japan-detected--ar-894755/
by KT39 at 3/27/2011 4:35:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:35:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:35:18 AM
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@Gearge...there went my coffee...
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 4:35:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:35:17 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:35:17 AM
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And now...low levels of Iodine 131 found in Florida and South Carolina:
by KT39 at 3/27/2011 4:35:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:35:11 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:35:11 AM
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I read that the RPV is about 60 feet long... ~20 meters long. Apart from the suppression torus? So it seems it would extend up beside the SFP if that reaches down almost to the floor.
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 4:34:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:34:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:34:52 AM
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all - this is the webpage where you can click on various parts of the reactor and see a photograph of the real thing, to learn more about what these parts look like.
www.nucleartourist.com by Sky at 3/27/2011 4:34:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:34:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:34:31 AM
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@radioguy oh the spin doctors from BP would have put a lid on this and have us believe radiation is good for the world
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 4:34:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:34:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:34:31 AM
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@all What is the weight of a Reactor Vessel Head?
by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 4:34:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:34:06 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:34:06 AM
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@Dennis Tucker they had already finished removing spent fuel. Lid would be replaced SOP
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 4:34:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:34:05 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:34:05 AM
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@Tenzing. I was just going to post that exact same picture of the Reactor Vessel Head being lifted seen during refuelling activities, from the nucleartourist site. Yes I agree that corresponds to the "yellow thing" you folks started discussing 1 hour ago. (I'm still catching up with all the overnight posts.)
by Sky at 3/27/2011 4:33:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:33:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:33:07 AM
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@Tenzing - Thank you! That helps have a better perspective on things.
by Stormy at 3/27/2011 4:33:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:33:06 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:33:06 AM
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@Tenzing Yes, obviously. Since the reactor was defueled, it stands to reason that the lid was on the crane when explosions occured and knocked it off the crane.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 4:32:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:32:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:32:35 AM
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@Ben yes. One more indication that the global effects of this is not just rad fallout
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 4:32:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:32:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:32:16 AM
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@Ben Thanks Ben we forget to look around sometimes.
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 4:31:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:31:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:31:35 AM
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I think we saw this PR template from BP last year.
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 4:31:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:31:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:31:31 AM
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@George Gibb And we must continue to do so. Keep up the great work.
by es at 3/27/2011 4:31:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:31:21 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:31:21 AM
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little ot-notice from germany, landslide-victory in regional-elections in south-west germany. green party wins +13%. next premier in baden-würtemberg will be from the green party. after 58 years of conservatives the people say no to nuclear power
by Ben at 3/27/2011 4:30:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:30:56 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:30:56 AM
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@es I agree - we're just seeing the visual effects and are piecing things together. Many engineers are working step by step to contain this.
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 4:30:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:30:25 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:30:25 AM
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Tenzing via
Nucleartourist at 3/27/2011 4:29:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:29:26 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:29:26 AM
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I do believe we're seeing some sophisticated disaster management at play. Without doubt they have all the data they need but it's likely they need to buy time - this is an unprecedented disaster and there are many factors at play here.
by es at 3/27/2011 4:27:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:27:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:27:35 AM
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@apollo: exactly what I believe as well.
by Lethbridgean at 3/27/2011 4:27:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:27:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:27:09 AM
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[Total speculation] Could this structure be the upper tip of the containment? Because I have no idea what else it could be at that position. And with all the steam coming from arund it. On the other hand, it seems to be a bit much on the eastern side of the building. Comments?
by Salvador at 3/27/2011 4:26:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:26:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:26:35 AM
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@Vasra: I agree with you. Politicians & TEPCO continue to use words like "maybe" when mentioning containment breach, even as scientists are using "almost certainly". The nuclear insider in my family (DOE & Lawrence Livermore) has been climbing the walls (anxiety) for two weeks now. Multiple reactor failures with explosions + massive on-site waste + 6 reactors jammed into a ridiculously small space equaled the need for a massive mobilization of international resources 2.5 weeks ago. The measured, gradually increasing responses by TEPCO & the authorities represents a dance with death. The situation is not in control.
by Apollo at 3/27/2011 4:25:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:25:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:25:40 AM
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@borrrden Bingo. Exactly my point. And the Japanese people are starting to get angry about it.
by James Ward at 3/27/2011 4:25:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:25:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:25:40 AM
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@Jim Carver: TEMPCO has a documented history of "false reporting in routine governmental inspection of its nuclear plants and systematic concealment of plant safety incidents. All 17 of its boiling-water reactors were shut down for inspection as a result". Wikipeda TEMPCO - Scandal
en.wikipedia.org @James Ward: I agree
by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 4:25:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:25:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:25:33 AM
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or just steam coming off containment
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 4:25:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:25:22 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:25:22 AM
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@Salvador the one to the right might be the spent fuel cladding vaporizing. to left, core water boiling
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 4:24:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:24:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:24:53 AM
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@Salvador one to back/left is lighter. one two front/right is heavier and whiter
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 4:23:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:23:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:23:24 AM
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@marie Yes, one from the right and one from the left of this structure.
by Salvador at 3/27/2011 4:23:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:23:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:23:09 AM
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@borrrden Good point - It will be up to the people of Japan to demand answers
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 4:22:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:22:05 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:22:05 AM
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@Salvador idk but notice that there are two distinct plumes?
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 4:21:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:21:56 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:21:56 AM
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@marie I would think the spend fuel pool should be on the south- east side of the building, that would be right of the structure I was asking about. There is a lot of steam around this thing, as can be seen in the still, but even better in the video.
by Salvador at 3/27/2011 4:21:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:21:11 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:21:11 AM
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@James Ward Well unfortunately, aren't they the only firsthand source of information?
by borrrden at 3/27/2011 4:20:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:20:48 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:20:48 AM
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@Tenzing I'm just having a very difficult time believing anything TEPCO reports at this point in time, good or bad. Their credibility has bottomed out in my opinion. Even the Japanese PM had to ask "what the hell is going on" several days ago when TEPCO failed to keep him informed.
by James Ward at 3/27/2011 4:19:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:19:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:19:59 AM
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@Salvador Think it's the spent fuel pool, but not positive
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 4:19:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:19:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:19:34 AM
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Maybe someone could try to document all the lies, mis-statements, half-truths, etc. TEPCO puts out. The PU testing is just the latest.
by Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 4:18:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:18:22 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:18:22 AM
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@marie rich : i am very sure they are fully aware of the situation. but they will not publish anything. i remember EU commissioner Oettinger, 10 days ago he stated that there was a worst case scenario, but he was disregarded for this.
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 4:18:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:18:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:18:10 AM
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@ALL FYI, I reviewed the Reuters blog and this one. The analysis has been prescient. We beat the news agencies (and I suspect the TEPCO engineers) by a mile! *pat on back* :)
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 4:17:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:17:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:17:52 AM
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by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 4:17:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:17:38 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:17:38 AM
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Has anyone an idea what the thing in the red circle could be? It can be seen in the first few seconds of the new video, especially good at 3-4 seconds. <img src="http://i.imgur.com/MjLkO.jpg" alt="" title="Hosted by imgur.com" />
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Salvador via
I.imgur at 3/27/2011 4:17:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:17:15 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:17:15 AM
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@all: Pardon me if this information is redundant, I read the last few pages and didn't notice it mentioned. Hope it's helpful. The operator of a crippled nuclear plant in Japan has retracted an announcement that radiation in water near one of the reactors was 10 million times higher than normal, Jiji Press reports.
Tokyo Electric Power (TEPCO) said the mistake was due to confusion between readings of iodine and cobalt in the water.
Earlier TEPCO said radiation of more than 1000 millisieverts per hour had been detected in puddles of water thought to have leaked from the the number two reactor at its Fukushima Daiichi plant.
by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 4:16:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:16:46 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:16:46 AM
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Might I mention that the plutonium in the MOX fuel is actually plutonium oxide? I'm not a chemist but that could be what makes it harder to detect?
by borrrden at 3/27/2011 4:16:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:16:45 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:16:45 AM
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There is available tech to test for plutonium on the fly or quickly. So either they are lying to avoid releasing data or they don't have any of that equipment and are trying to get it. The Japanese defence forces or the US navy should have it.
by Nancy at 3/27/2011 4:16:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:16:37 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:16:37 AM
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@James Ward - I read that article as well, it mentioned that there were a number of workers (200, I think) who were trapped in the inside after the power went out (ie. no lights) and were afraid that a tsunami was going to come. If I were in there, I would be fighting to get out. They can test me on the roof, but the way management handled it was poorly thought out.
by kayko at 3/27/2011 4:16:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:16:30 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:16:30 AM
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@vasra I think it would be fair to say no disaster plan in place for this kind of disaster but behind the scene there is a lot of things going on that we will never be made of aware of.
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 4:16:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:16:02 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:16:02 AM
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I googled plutonium testing. I found two articles. One mentions a commercially available unit that can detect plutonium at a distance in seconds. A NYT article that mentions the use of equipment to do it at ports. Also a US govt. report of newer ways to quickly detect small amounts of plutonium. Plutonium detection seems to be the core of anti-proliferation activities to detect terrorist nukes etc.
www.eurekalert.org docs.google.com www.nytimes.comby Nancy at 3/27/2011 4:14:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:14:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:14:40 AM
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@borrrden Undermanned or not, what should TEPCO have done as soon as they realized they had damage to the Fukushima facility? I'm not a nuclear engineer but I've managed safety organizations in the past and I would have been testing for radiation the instant the shaking stopped. In fact, an article appeared just recently describing an attempt to test everyone for radiation before they let them leave the facility. The workers and engineers got so angry that they were released after about 20 minutes.
by James Ward at 3/27/2011 4:14:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:14:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:14:18 AM
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@borrrden It is an awfull position to be in, i dont dissagree. But to solve the problem you first have to understand it.
by Treiagonaut at 3/27/2011 4:12:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:12:13 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:12:13 AM
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Here's the full text article for analysis of Pu in soil samples in 60 min. Paper recieved June 2005 Accepted Dec. 2005
www.jstage.jst.go.jpby Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 4:11:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:11:48 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:11:48 AM
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I wish NHK World would translate articles like this. Concerns about the work behind the leak of radioactive material.
www3.nhk.or.jpby Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 4:11:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:11:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:11:24 AM
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@borrrden That might be true, but you miss the point. It's their job to report. It's not their issue to think about whether they are called liars. But witholding information is bad disaster management communications. I know from experience :)
by vasra at 3/27/2011 4:10:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:10:22 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:10:22 AM
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@borrrden I completely agree on that (easy to criticize, diffiThcult conditions, over-worked, over manned). But the fact that they keep refusing help and trying to do heroic efforts by themselves is not very professional. To me it still looks too much like typical saving face, damage control and information containment. And yes, working on the spot is 10000x times more difficult, but still.
by vasra edited by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 4:09:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:09:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:09:00 AM
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@Treiagonaut And if they did make sure the public knew, people on here would be calling it lies...
by borrrden at 3/27/2011 4:08:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:08:58 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:08:58 AM
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also if they had been testing for pluutonium/uranium and had detected nothing, they would have made damn sure the public knew.
by Treiagonaut at 3/27/2011 4:08:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:08:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:08:18 AM
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*stray thought* There's already a big imbalance of male to female in Asia, particularly China. If Japanese men become sterile from rad, where will they get their women? Historical analysis shows a correlation between male/female ratios and aggression.
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 4:07:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:07:55 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:07:55 AM
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by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 4:06:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:06:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:06:40 AM
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@vasra @Treiagonaut It is very easy for us to sit here and criticize from afar. Remember that for a long time they were severely undermanned for this job.
by borrrden at 3/27/2011 4:06:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:06:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:06:36 AM
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I would have been testing for fissile material the moment core breach was a possibility. It would have been the only definative way of testing if the reactors were leaking.
by Treiagonaut at 3/27/2011 4:06:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:06:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:06:20 AM
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Consistent with U.S. policy, they won't let you know capabilities. (trust me on that particular, I know first hand)
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 4:03:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:03:55 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:03:55 AM
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@Dennis Tucker Jr According to the latest reports I've read (sorry, no links). Since the evacuation of the plant 2 workers, I read that there are still 600+ wokers on the plant premises altogether working in shifts.
by vasra at 3/27/2011 4:02:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:02:38 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:02:38 AM
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The U.S. have rad teams there- you can bet your last yen they have readings
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 4:02:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:02:06 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:02:06 AM
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thank you
by Hermine at 3/27/2011 4:01:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:01:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:01:34 AM
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Complicated or not, i would imagine they have equipment that could detect plutonium, and i cant belive they have been waiting this long to test for it.
by Treiagonaut at 3/27/2011 4:01:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:01:30 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:01:30 AM
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@Ralph Yeah, but it's most definetly worth reposting!!
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 4:01:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:01:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:01:28 AM
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Does anybody have any solid evidence as to whether or not their are still workers at the plant currently?
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 4:01:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:01:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:01:10 AM
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I do not know if this has been posted yet. Where Did the Water in the Spent Fuel Pools Go?
allthingsnuclear.org by Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 4:00:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 4:00:47 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:00:47 AM
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@Vasra I'd have been testing for uranium and plutonium since day one, myself.
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 3:59:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:59:03 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:59:03 AM
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@borrrden with modern japanese on site analytical methods, it takes about 60 minutes to detect Pu-239 and Pu-240 from soil samples :
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.govby vasra at 3/27/2011 3:58:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:58:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:58:53 AM
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@Vasra - bet they have the results of the plutonium tests - and not letting on
by fiona at 3/27/2011 3:57:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:57:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:57:10 AM
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@ Hermine We know 4 was because the newly removed spent fuel is in the SFP. 5 and 6 were shut down at the time. Not empty, but cold shutdown.
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 3:57:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:57:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:57:09 AM
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@vasra They probably say that because it is complicated and could take days....do you know how to detect Plutonium? I don't....
by borrrden at 3/27/2011 3:56:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:56:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:56:43 AM
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There is a file photo from Sept. of #4 with what looks like the yellow containment cap removed. Not sure of the exact relation of the SFP and cap storage. One would guess they have somewhere the cap resides when they are doing maint. work.
totallycoolpix.comby Nancy edited by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 3:56:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:56:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:56:39 AM
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@radioguy Most likely. The diagrams of the BWR-4 reactor that has been on here quite a bit show that to be about the case.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 3:56:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:56:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:56:18 AM
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@Albee thanks again. Been a long time since I was in the PI, so I'm not sure this is how to say g'bye but, mabuhay
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 3:56:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:56:14 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:56:14 AM
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@borrrden They've been promising the plutonium soil tests for ages, but nothing so far. They say it's "complicated" and tests might take "days". Sounds stalling to me.
by vasra at 3/27/2011 3:56:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:56:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:56:01 AM
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@Hermine It is undisputed that reactor number 4 was.
by borrrden at 3/27/2011 3:55:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:55:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:55:57 AM
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How reliable is the information that some reactors were empty at the time?
by Hermine at 3/27/2011 3:55:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:55:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:55:34 AM
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@markfm Whew... only 100,000 times normal. I think as heavy as some of these elements are, we can assume it swirls and sinks in pools and the radiation is going to fluctuate WILDLY on where you take the sample.
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 3:55:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:55:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:55:27 AM
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Also notice on the bottom of the previously posted article
english.kyodonews.jp TEPCO has started testing the site soil for plutonium.
by borrrden at 3/27/2011 3:55:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:55:15 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:55:15 AM
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The 100K factor still means the water is releasing 1 Sievert/hr (1000 millisieverts/hr).
by Markfm at 3/27/2011 3:55:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:55:13 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:55:13 AM
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@Charlie Sorry, which video ?
by vasra at 3/27/2011 3:54:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:54:49 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:54:49 AM
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Any news from the Tepco press conference about proceedings? I mean it's ok to correct measurements, but is that all for the whole day - exept finding out that the condernsers are full?
by Max at 3/27/2011 3:54:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:54:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:54:28 AM
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Could someone post a link to the vid please,i've lost it
by Charlie at 3/27/2011 3:53:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:53:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:53:42 AM
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On reactor 3, the story in allthingsnuclear.org "Possible Cause of Reactor building Explosions" should be read by all that speculate about the Drywell Head. I personally don't believe it is still connected to the drywell flange. 70 psi is all the flange could handle before it started leaking Hydrogen gas. What was the pressure before the boom?
by Lethbridgean at 3/27/2011 3:53:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:53:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:53:42 AM
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Pushing midnight where I am (GMT+8)... Before I stand up from this PC station, I just wish to let everybody know that we are presently making very good noise trying to make sense of, for one, the videos and many such things.
Pretty soon, don't be surprised if this our noise becomes somebody else's news.
Yet, that's all the heroes we need be. Good vibes to Nippon.
by alblee at 3/27/2011 3:53:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:53:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:53:31 AM
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(That sghold have had a question mark after it.)
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 3:53:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:53:14 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:53:14 AM
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Kind of sad when 100Kx normal is a good thing.
by Markfm at 3/27/2011 3:52:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:52:29 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:52:29 AM
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@Dennis so the SFP extends down to the ground then.
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 3:52:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:52:29 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:52:29 AM
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The question is, if it is true...
by Mina at 3/27/2011 3:52:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:52:21 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:52:21 AM
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@Dennis Tucker Jr Well a lot better than the original 10 million....
by borrrden at 3/27/2011 3:51:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:51:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:51:53 AM
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According to this
www.ustream.tv the yellow dome is the cover of the containment vessel!
by Peter Melzer at 3/27/2011 3:51:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:51:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:51:18 AM
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"Only"?
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 3:51:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:51:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:51:07 AM
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by Markfm at 3/27/2011 3:50:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:50:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:50:04 AM
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@elainekirk2001 Morning Elaine - its steam
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 3:49:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:49:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:49:34 AM
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@radioguy 3.5 stories
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 3:49:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:49:29 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:49:29 AM
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I think if that were steam it would not be pooling and drifting?
by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 3:48:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:48:49 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:48:49 AM
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@charlie I don't know, but the fuel rods are out of the reactor vessel since November. Idle speculation, it could be some other of the thousands of parts such a reactor is made of.
by Salvador at 3/27/2011 3:48:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:48:30 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:48:30 AM
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smoke or steam
by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 3:48:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:48:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:48:09 AM
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@ll Has anyone seen the round object on the left of the screen in the first few seconds of the video, beginning with 3? There is a lot of smoke around it. Any idea what it could be?
by Salvador at 3/27/2011 3:46:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:46:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:46:59 AM
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@marie rich lol thanks
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 3:46:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:46:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:46:53 AM
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@Salvador. I knew a man who worked inside reactors. He was given a time allowance as even though it was shutdown it still held masses of radioactivity and was not 'open as such'
by Charlie at 3/27/2011 3:46:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:46:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:46:51 AM
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@George @Albee This one's for you, for all you do *chug Budweiser*, THANKS
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 3:46:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:46:29 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:46:29 AM
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@Patrick Kelly Yes, I tried to imply containment head must be in place in earlier post. They edited this vid pretty heavily, stands to reason they wouldn't have included a blown-off containment (not reactor vessel) head, so as not to 'panic' the masses.
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 3:44:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:44:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:44:40 AM
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@Patrick We are talking about No. 4! There were no fuel rods in the reactor and it was being repaired when the quake hit, so there is a good possiblity that the containment vessel was open.
by Salvador at 3/27/2011 3:44:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:44:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:44:36 AM
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@Max. Not being funny but tepco really should have been able to cope, regarding any possible eventuality within their holdings.
by Charlie at 3/27/2011 3:44:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:44:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:44:18 AM
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@Apollo, thanks. That's an answer to my question about what happens when they try to pump the radioactive water from the turbine halls to the condensers (coolers) and they become full. Well, pretty soon we have a real world test of that if the containers were already full to begin with, as you report.
by vasra at 3/27/2011 3:44:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:44:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:44:00 AM
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Like the Reuters live.blog, I am imposing an unannounced hiatus for a while. Please keep chugging, or steaming, or dousing, or radiating, but, please, refrain from flaming. :o) Be back in a while. Thanks.
by alblee at 3/27/2011 3:43:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:43:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:43:27 AM
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@all I seriously doubt with all the cover-ups they would blatantly show a blown reactor head. Every nuclear engineer on the planet would have raised alarms
by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 3:42:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:42:26 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:42:26 AM
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@Max In the TEPCO press conference currently underway, officials were asked by journalists why there is no independant corroboration for data being released. Apparantly TEPCO answered that having another team on the ground would complicate matters and might cause more confusion.
by es at 3/27/2011 3:42:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:42:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:42:24 AM
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@Salvador idk. anythings possible after an explosion.
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 3:42:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:42:13 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:42:13 AM
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by elise at 3/27/2011 3:42:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:42:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:42:01 AM
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I've been trying to grasp what's remaining under all the rubble for a while now, and a thing to remember is that the SFP being on the 4th floor means the TOP of it is there, because that's where the people work around it. So it extends 12 meters DOWN from the 4th floor. What's that, two stories?
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 3:41:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:41:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:41:51 AM
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@Marie I didn't doubt that it COULD be the cap of the containment, but it's in the wrong place. Ripped of and flung through the building as it exploded?
by Salvador at 3/27/2011 3:41:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:41:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:41:08 AM
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@Apollo Very significant post. Thanks
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 3:40:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:40:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:40:16 AM
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@All: Has it been previously reported that there is no room in the condenser tanks for additional water? AP =
hosted.ap.org Extract: Safety agency officials had been hoping to pump the water into huge, partly empty tanks inside the reactor that are designed to hold condensed water.
Those tanks, though, turned out to be completely full, said Hidehiko Nishiyama of Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency.
by Apollo at 3/27/2011 3:39:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:39:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:39:20 AM
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@Matsuoko : So why are they showing it open in the Areva presentation describing the incident?
www.scribd.com (R4 is described from pr28)
by sims at 3/27/2011 3:39:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:39:13 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:39:13 AM
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Did y'all see the post on our group FB page about historic amount of reuters blog---COOL!
blog.scribblelive.comby marie rich at 3/27/2011 3:39:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:39:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:39:04 AM
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@Karen Warren I see. You are quite correct also. :)
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 3:38:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:38:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:38:42 AM
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Tepco is wrong here, wrong there, "maybe" their comments are incorrect, "however" they try to find out ... -> Why aren't there other organizations/companies assisting Tepco? Maybe even proving them in case it is that difficult to read. We are now two weeks after the accident. In such a situation one source is inadequate after such a long time.
by Max at 3/27/2011 3:38:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:38:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:38:39 AM
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@sims : no. it has to be closed always, of course.
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 3:36:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:36:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:36:24 AM
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@Salvador I'm pretty sure, having looked again at picture posted below, that it is the containment cap. look to what would be it's right (the back part of pic) and you can see the dark hole indicated on FB diagram that's on either side of it. Don't know if it's the sppent fuel pool or not. But they probably had a live feed to chopper and directed him what to look at/for, so prob. significant.
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 3:36:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:36:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:36:18 AM
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by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 3:36:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:36:17 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:36:17 AM
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Some people have request that I post this info periodically
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 3:36:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:36:11 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:36:11 AM
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@Dennis: I agree. My comment was in reference to stabalization. Until then.... ????
by Karen Warren at 3/27/2011 3:35:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:35:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:35:41 AM
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@Cup Thought reactor 4 was empty and open for maintenance - meaning the containment cap had been taken off intentionally some time before the quake (and reactor was empty) (?).
by sims at 3/27/2011 3:34:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:34:03 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:34:03 AM
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@Dennis Tucker I think your right that the rods had already started to melt before seawater was introduced. I read somewhere that the water in chernobyl was only down for 1 hour exposing the rods which lead to their meltdown.
by Lethbridgean at 3/27/2011 3:33:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:33:21 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:33:21 AM
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@Grizzly lol
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 3:32:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:32:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:32:41 AM
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@kb And the new readings will show a balance of rainbows and skittles that calms everyone down, lol.
by Grizzly at 3/27/2011 3:32:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:32:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:32:24 AM
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@T&M I agree 110% with what your saying - I was attempting to explain why it is necessary.
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 3:31:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:31:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:31:28 AM
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@Grizzly They're going to take new measurements since the reading _may_ have been wrong.
by kb at 3/27/2011 3:31:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:31:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:31:20 AM
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Yellow vessel top. See
www.anengineerindc.com and scroll down to graphic. Yellow vessel top in photo definitely not where it should be.
by Cup at 3/27/2011 3:31:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:31:06 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:31:06 AM
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@Karen Warren in reality, this will take years, if not decades. We have one example already with Chernobyl.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 3:30:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:30:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:30:52 AM
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some history on tepco: wow ~ what a fall. and i believe thus publication leans right...http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/03/the_fall_of_the_house_of_tepco.html
by elise at 3/27/2011 3:30:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:30:19 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:30:19 AM
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I know this is nothing new but on the top of the page of Reuters it says: Japan nuclear plant operator says very high radiation reading at reactor 2 was wrong -
www.reuters.comby Grizzly at 3/27/2011 3:29:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:29:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:29:57 AM
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by Apollo at 3/27/2011 3:29:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:29:32 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:29:32 AM
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The latest JAIF report bothers me. First, it says estimated up top.... Next, all the containment water levels and pressures just seem to indicate all loss of pressure, overheating and undoubtedly something has leaked out as indicated by the water samples in nearby buildings. Is it possible that the cores were already melting (melted) when they started flushing them with sea water, which may have eroded away very large amounts of the corium and settled wherever the water was unable to keep transporting it? My analogy is similar to using a Pressure Washer to clean stuff....
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 3:29:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:29:26 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:29:26 AM
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@All: Since getting up this a.m. this AP report is the first indication I've seen that TEPCO can't use the condenser tanks to store the leaked, contiminated water
by Apollo at 3/27/2011 3:29:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:29:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:29:24 AM
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@hans @T&M: "They" have stated that it can take weeks or even months to stabalize the situation. I feel sorry for the people.
by Karen Warren at 3/27/2011 3:29:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:29:21 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:29:21 AM
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I'll look at vid again. see if it's just a matter of perspective, angle, whatever.
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 3:29:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:29:14 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:29:14 AM
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@marie That can't be, because that yellows sphere is in the corner of the building, the south- west one to be exact.
by Salvador at 3/27/2011 3:28:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:28:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:28:20 AM
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@Salvador : yes, but nevertheless the inner vessel would be highly radioactive.
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 3:28:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:28:13 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:28:13 AM
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@grizzly..OMG..what a terrible video. Water has amazing power. Video sent shivers down my spine. I am surprised the death count is till below 30,000. That video was the most telling
by Optim at 3/27/2011 3:27:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:27:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:27:57 AM
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I don't think it is blown off. it looks to me like it's where it should be, but you didn't think so, so... @Sin the spent fuel pool is next to the containment cap, according to diagram
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 3:27:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:27:12 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:27:12 AM
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@Matsuko We are talking about reactor #4 here. The one without fuel rods in the reactor.
by Salvador at 3/27/2011 3:27:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:27:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:27:07 AM
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@Matsuoko Remember that the RPV in Unit 4 was empty.
by kb at 3/27/2011 3:27:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:27:02 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:27:02 AM
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all speculation, for gov, from tepco, from everywhere.....month later the melting goes on and on
by hans at 3/27/2011 3:26:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:26:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:26:54 AM
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@ George Gibb, I do not doubt that the people on the ground at the plant are doing whatever is humanly possible to get the reactors under control. I sure hope they're getting as much support as possible. My concern is with the withholding of information that puts the public at risk. Radiactive contamination involves not just radiation levels, but also accumulation and time factors: Of course the evacuation zones are nowhere near large enough. People cannot make decisions if faced with situations outside their experiences. They have to rely on accurate information and disclosure in such cases. The Japanese government is very carefully not doing that. It lets TEPCO and NISA (etc.) carry the nuclear can and makes sympathetic noises, occasionally throwing a bone to the public, like the latest vid. It seems to work (see what happens?).
by T&M at 3/27/2011 3:26:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:26:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:26:10 AM
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Have a good day everyone...
by Karen Warren at 3/27/2011 3:26:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:26:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:26:01 AM
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it seems noboody knows anything....this is the tragedy
by hans at 3/27/2011 3:25:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:25:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:25:57 AM
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@marie rich : if the vessel top is blown off, they should have had much higher radiation.
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 3:25:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:25:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:25:09 AM
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@Karen Thanks for the help
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 3:24:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:24:29 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:24:29 AM
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@marie. You did it right. Just make sure to add a couple of spaces between text and a link. It should work fine.
by Karen Warren at 3/27/2011 3:23:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:23:44 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:23:44 AM
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If that is the containment vessel, the spent fuel pool is destroyed it looks like, since it was above it.
by Sinthia Domina at 3/27/2011 3:23:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:23:11 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:23:11 AM
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by marie rich edited by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 3:22:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:22:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:22:27 AM
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the yellow thing cannot be the vessel. it is too near to the wall. the vessel is right in the center of the building.
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 3:20:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:20:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:20:52 AM
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@All White smoke in the video is steam. I know this from many years observing smoke columns.
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 3:20:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:20:37 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:20:37 AM
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@Salvador: Did I say something that offended you? If so, not my intent, but apologies anyway... :-)
by Karen Warren at 3/27/2011 3:20:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:20:29 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:20:29 AM
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The trees right outside reactors look lush green. Dont think radioactivity levels are that high outside reactor buildings. Have a look at the start of the video
by Optim at 3/27/2011 3:19:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:19:12 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:19:12 AM
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@Karen So sorry for not being a perfect english speaker and writer. Maybe you can discuss this story with me in german? Eh? Thought so...
by Salvador at 3/27/2011 3:18:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:18:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:18:51 AM
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Big difference between smoke and steam.... where there's smoke, there is _____. It's steam and it's been pouring out for two weeks. Nothing new.
by Karen Warren at 3/27/2011 3:17:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:17:11 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:17:11 AM
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JAIF report says water levels in #3 sfp is very low. Along with the allthingsnuclear story posted recently that they think the sfp in all are leaking due to the seals not being inflated. I think that is a significant issue they are not telling the public via the media.
by Nancy at 3/27/2011 3:16:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:16:21 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:16:21 AM
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@Marie: Policy & Procedure require that they report so that's what they all do and, hopefully, follow protocol. I read somewhere that some of the engineers were looking at the wrong spec for buildings - this happened in the very beginning. Haha! re: the tech observation. Makes you wonder, huh? Maybe, it's budgetary.
by Karen Warren at 3/27/2011 3:15:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:15:30 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:15:30 AM
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ok..thnx ..things now clear
by hans at 3/27/2011 3:14:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:14:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:14:42 AM
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This yellow sphere could be everything, including the top of the (empty) reactor vessel of No.4 Maybe it was open while they did the "repairs" and was ripped of the hinges? Just speculating, as I said, it could be everything.
by Salvador at 3/27/2011 3:14:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:14:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:14:41 AM
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by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 3:14:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:14:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:14:35 AM
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That yellow object is the containment (note: not reactor vessel, which is red) vessel head.
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 3:14:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:14:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:14:16 AM
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towards the consequences of chernobyl i have to report that the Western European gvmts were also lying about the situation and the radiation rate. in Germany, for example, the reradings from measuring stations were censored and the German people built up another independent system in order to inform the public correctly. so the point is for US and Canada: do not trust official statements, try to build up independent systems !
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 3:13:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:13:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:13:16 AM
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yes...but new to me.
by Sinthia Domina at 3/27/2011 3:12:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:12:50 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:12:50 AM
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by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 3:12:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:12:19 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:12:19 AM
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Tenzing, that is the newest video as reported by NHK just a little while ago. Special Defense Forces released it on Sunday.
www3.nhk.or.jpby Sinthia Domina at 3/27/2011 3:11:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:11:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:11:35 AM
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the yellow vessel
by hans at 3/27/2011 3:11:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:11:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:11:28 AM
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by
hans via
Faz.net at 3/27/2011 3:11:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:11:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:11:16 AM
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what is this?
by hans at 3/27/2011 3:11:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:11:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:11:07 AM
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@Kare Warren The thing that steams me is that the info. is not given in context. Insted of underlining new readings, why not show a chart with all since the beginning. And another politically incorrect observation- Why is everything so low-tech? The Japanese use posters instead of powerpoint?! No big screens for viewing from the home of Sony? What's up with that?
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 3:10:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:10:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:10:20 AM
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@Tenzing Yes, you are correct. My mistake. Thanks for the correction, but the rest of my "review" still stands. @Karen Looks like steam.
by Salvador at 3/27/2011 3:10:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:10:03 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:10:03 AM
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Is it smoke or is it steam?
by Karen Warren at 3/27/2011 3:09:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:09:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:09:08 AM
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@Salvador it is currently Monday March 28, 2011 12:08 AM in Japan. That video is from yesterday.
by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 3:08:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:08:46 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:08:46 AM
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@George Mina did allready, I thought everyone saw it. Here it is again:
www.youtube.comby Salvador at 3/27/2011 3:07:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:07:46 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:07:46 AM
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Oops... con't... At this juncture, I don't think that TEPCO is deliberately lying. It's human error being committed under what has to be extremely stressful circumstances. However, I do believe that the release of information is being controlled to avoid panic.
by Karen Warren at 3/27/2011 3:07:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:07:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:07:10 AM
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@T&M, I hope that behind the scenes they are already planning where to house the people who may be displaced.
by Peter Melzer at 3/27/2011 3:06:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:06:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:06:52 AM
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@Salvador post the link again please
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 3:06:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:06:38 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:06:38 AM
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This new video has the best quality as of yet, it's from 10 am this morning in Japan and at least 2, 3 and 4 are still smoking. One can see that the SFP crane in 4 has fallen from it's rails, there are many good pictures of number 3 too. And we see the small explosion holes in the #2 roof spewing smoke again.
by Salvador at 3/27/2011 3:04:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:04:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:04:34 AM
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In case you are wondering what they are saying in the aerial video...it is mostly "We are now viewing building #X from the [compass direction]"
by borrrden at 3/27/2011 3:04:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:04:29 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:04:29 AM
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@T&M I think one thing we need to remember is that they have no choice but to move forward. So reports like last nights 10 mil create more anxiety in the population which they really don't need - they just have to do whatever to get the job done.
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 3:04:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:04:22 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:04:22 AM
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Sorry, of course Canada included. How ignorant of me!
by Peter Melzer at 3/27/2011 3:04:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:04:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:04:18 AM
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@Charlie, if I was living in the Pacific Northwest in the U.S., I would be examining the developments in Europe after the Chernobyl accident closely. It was an accident of different scale, yet the response of the public and government agencies in the various countries should teach lessons. If I lived on the West Coast, I would be concerned to the extent that I would monitor closely fresh produce, wild berries and mushrooms, venison, seafood etc. If I were an organic farmer, I would already check out ways how I get this done properly. I am not concerned about the iodine that much, but about the cesium because of its long half-life which provides ample time for it to concentrate in the food chain. Also recall that fallout may not be even. There may be hot spots. Persistent vigilance is called for. It may take months for any radioactivity to reach detectable amounts. In all likelihood, they won't pose a hazard. But knowing is better than blind believe. Perhaps, colleges along the coast could set up monitoring projects. They would provide a tremendous learning experience. If something sinister is found, they should alert the pros.
by Peter Melzer at 3/27/2011 3:03:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:03:26 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:03:26 AM
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Opinon: TEPCO is under a very large microscopic lens, and it continues to make mistakes. Is it a deliberate lie?
by Karen Warren at 3/27/2011 3:02:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:02:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:02:33 AM
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Thanks Mina....and I concur T&M. Now it's nap time.
by Sinthia Domina at 3/27/2011 3:01:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 3:01:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:01:36 AM
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Not sure if this link has been posted:
www.jaif.or.jp - latest on Plant status
by es at 3/27/2011 2:59:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:59:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:59:40 AM
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@T&M Yes, deliberately creating confusion - see this headline "Confusion Over Radiation Levels at Japan Nuclear Plant"
www.voanews.comby Bobby1 edited by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 2:57:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:57:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:57:28 AM
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@Karen. Agreed. I was not being judgmental, just curious. ThanIs to everyone else who provided their insight to my question.
by Andy at 3/27/2011 2:56:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:56:13 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:56:13 AM
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@T&M Agree wholeheartedly.
by es at 3/27/2011 2:55:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:55:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:55:33 AM
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@Mina That's it, thanks for finding it! ;-)
by Salvador at 3/27/2011 2:55:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:55:06 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:55:06 AM
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@Andy: One other personal observation - just because it's different, doesn't make it wrong and doesn't make us right. :-)
by Karen Warren at 3/27/2011 2:54:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:54:46 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:54:46 AM
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by Mina edited by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 2:54:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:54:15 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:54:15 AM
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Re 'news' on the reactor crisis: The thin stream of "news" from Japan looks so carefully managed. A patient and careful listen to Edano's press-conferences reveals intricate manoeuvering: Crab-like side-stepping of issues, followed by a seeming step forward, a hasty step back. There is in fact no forward movement at all. It's not pretty to see this intentional obfuscation. Just look at your own sense of relief when a water sample measurement of 1 million times higher than normal radiation turned out to be a mistake. You'd have to doubt the content of 'future documentaries', if this damage control we are encountering now continues (and why shouldn't it?). The previous shaky vids of the plant were a fine touch too. Please do not doubt that at this stage, the information (and crystal-clear imaging) is available, just not shared.
by T&M at 3/27/2011 2:53:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:53:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:53:52 AM
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RE: allthingsnuclear article Where Did the Water Go, if they had only had Dean there! He nailed it like 4 days ago or more
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 2:53:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:53:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:53:16 AM
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@Andy: It's cultural, for sure. The Japanese people are extremely polite. If you listen to some of the press conferences, they continually apologize for the inconvenience. Also, sentiment and inference gets lost in translation.
by Karen Warren at 3/27/2011 2:52:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:52:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:52:59 AM
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Latest NYT article: “There is a suspicion that the reading for iodine 134 is too high, so we are redoing our tests," said the spokesman, Takeo Iwamoto.
www.nytimes.com It boggles my mind to think that someone wouldn't have realized that the reading was inaccurate at the time it was recorded.
by Karen Warren at 3/27/2011 2:49:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:49:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:49:43 AM
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@Andy I remember how the BP incident played out and how information and access was strictly controlled by BP.
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 2:46:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:46:21 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:46:21 AM
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@Sinthia Me too. Didn't find it yet. Nothing on youtube, nothin on the SDF homepage.
by Salvador at 3/27/2011 2:45:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:45:58 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:45:58 AM
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@Andy : Japanese children are not educated towards contradiction. conformation is a high means.
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 2:45:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:45:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:45:54 AM
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Wikipedia article on Diablo Canyon nuclear plant in California (on seismic fault) has been edited recently to delete account of seismic supports built in mirror image of blueprints
en.wikipedia.orgby Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 2:45:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:45:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:45:41 AM
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Just realized that they don't have the video...I am searching the web for it.
by Sinthia Domina at 3/27/2011 2:44:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:44:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:44:52 AM
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@SinthiaDomina Does that link actually go to the video? I just see an article discussing the video.
by Yuri at 3/27/2011 2:44:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:44:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:44:08 AM
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@Grizzly: OMG
by timme at 3/27/2011 2:40:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:40:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:40:39 AM
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Latest Fukushima plant video released: The 4-minute edited video released on Sunday is the second aerial footage of the plant to be shown to the public since it was damaged by the March 11th earthquake and tsunami.
www3.nhk.or.jpby Sinthia Domina at 3/27/2011 2:39:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:39:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:39:01 AM
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@vasra Tepco is following Eisenhower's advice to keep the public confused
by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 2:38:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:38:29 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:38:29 AM
