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• Can you imagine everyone breathed a sigh of relief at finding out the radiation is only 100,000 times higher?
  by Miles at 3/27/2011 9:38:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:38:58 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:38:58 PM
• @ariadne It is cumulative so when a worker reaches the limit (now set at 250mSv) he is not allowed to work in radioactive environments for the rest of the year. Note that the limit set by the Japanese Gov is still half of the International limit.
  by Pedro Jesus at 3/27/2011 9:38:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:38:55 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:38:55 PM
• @Matsuoko We have been deceived into believing that all radiation is bad because of policy reliance on the “linear no-threshold” theory, or LNT, which states that if large amounts of something cause death or sickness, fractional amounts of the same thing cause proportional amounts of death or sickness. If the LNT were applied to falling as it is to radiation, we might note that 100 percent of those falling onto concrete from 100 feet are killed, but only 50 percent of those falling from 50 feet die. With these data we would linearly extrapolate to say that 10 percent falling from 10 feet and one percent of those falling from one foot would die. Armed with this “linear no-threshold falling theory,” we could confidently assert that jumping rope should be banned on all school playgrounds since statistically anyone making 100 one-foot jumps would die. bravenewclimate.com
  by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 9:38:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:38:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:38:53 PM
• A small fact regarding news coverage NBC is 49% owned by GE makers of the reactors
  by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 9:38:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:38:49 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:38:49 PM
• @Tenzing forsure they all are contributing factors
  by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 9:37:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:37:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:37:54 PM
• @fiona Glad your here - we should all pay attention to events like this
  by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 9:36:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:36:22 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:36:22 PM
• @Peter And use robots wherever possible.
  by Alaskan at 3/27/2011 9:36:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:36:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:36:01 PM
• @all: This may be a partial explanation regarding the minimal flow of information from TEMPCO. I am not defending TEMPCO in anyway I'm just trying to understand the situation with what ever level of objectivity i can muster. March 27, 2011"Figure 2 is a picture said to have been taken yesterday in the control room of the Unit 2 reactor at Fukushima Dai-Ichi. I’ve also annotated it to show the lack of readily gleaned information." A - Computer monitors are blank.
  B - Clock out of service.
  C - Annunciators seem to be de-energized: no alarms reported despite many plant parameters off-normal.
  D - Equipment status indicator lights not available.
  E - Instrument gauges all downscale (not reading parameter values).
  allthingsnuclear.org
  by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 9:35:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:35:56 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:35:56 PM
• @ariadne, workers are only permitted to accumulate the life-time dose once. The company will have to hire countless temps for most of the work.
  by Peter Melzer at 3/27/2011 9:35:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:35:17 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:35:17 PM
• radiation effects are stochastic. that means not linear. that means by chance.
  by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 9:35:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:35:05 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:35:05 PM
• @Alaskan Agreed and the exposure limits are conservative to start with.
  by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 9:33:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:33:46 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:33:46 PM
• here are some date about radiation in this area fleep.com
  by me at 3/27/2011 9:32:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:32:58 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:32:58 PM
• everyone who knows me - wonders why i spend so much time browsing here - i hope to god for once in my life i never say i told u so
  by fiona at 3/27/2011 9:32:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:32:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:32:40 PM
• @ariadne : i remember Dean talked about his personal life dosse. yes it is for life.
  by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 9:32:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:32:32 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:32:32 PM
• Meant "Less often"
  by Alaskan at 3/27/2011 9:32:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:32:19 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:32:19 PM
• @ariadne Yes and its been bumped from 100 mS
  by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 9:32:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:32:12 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:32:12 PM
• english.kyodonews.jp reports 100,000 not 10 million times higher which is a bit better.
  by gumba at 3/27/2011 9:32:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:32:06 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:32:06 PM
• @George, unless of course the authorities raise the limit ;-> Many scientists believe there is no "safe" lower limit on exposures, and that there is a lot of genetic variability in tolerance. Old people like me can tolerate a higher dose because our cells are splitting as often and because we will likely die of something else before developing cancer.
  by Alaskan at 3/27/2011 9:31:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:31:56 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:31:56 PM
• @elainekirk2001 I sent you an new email with a different log on so you can pin thanks for everything btw
  by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 9:31:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:31:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:31:42 PM
• @George so for the 250 limit that is for life?
  by ariadne at 3/27/2011 9:31:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:31:14 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:31:14 PM
• In my opinion the only way to get those figures for fukushima etc is for respective governments to be pressured to release the information to their citizens. Two things are for sure 1, the figures exist 2, they are known by stakeholders it needs enough citizens in respective countries to make enough noise
  by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 9:30:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:30:06 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:30:06 PM
• @ariadne Yes doses are cumulative so once you hit the exposure limit your done working.
  by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 9:29:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:29:50 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:29:50 PM
• @James Ward : lots of broken pipes to be seen even before the explosions.
  by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 9:29:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:29:30 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:29:30 PM
• @James Ward, and intact diesel tanks ?!
  by WolfDK at 3/27/2011 9:29:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:29:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:29:04 PM
• @veenOui what is the english translation of your username?
  by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 9:29:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:29:03 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:29:03 PM
• www.stumbleupon.com
  by GeorgieAussie at 3/27/2011 9:28:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:28:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:28:24 PM
• @VeenOui That video shows quite a bit of damage to the buildings closest to the water.
  by James Ward at 3/27/2011 9:27:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:27:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:27:59 PM
• @Alaskan Here's a good sticky for it. Also has wind and weather. www.timeanddate.com
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 9:26:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:26:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:26:42 PM
• You guys are doing a great job continuing the coverage of the crisis in Japan. Keep it up!
  by MDM at 3/27/2011 9:26:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:26:22 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:26:22 PM
• I have a question about the amount of radiation a worker can receive, and how they manage and measure it for an individual. Some stories (of past disasters?) described workers only working for 15 minutes, then having to be replaced due to high radiation by other workers to continue the same job. Will these first workers then rotate back to work again in the radioactive environment later? Isn't the dose cumulative? Once a worker gets up to 250 units are they then not supposed to never be exposed to radiation in their lives again? Or is it not for a year, and then they start over? Thank you for your explanations and for this blog.
  by ariadne at 3/27/2011 9:26:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:26:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:26:16 PM
• You all post too much, i had to go back 29 pages to find the Video :-O
  by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 9:25:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:25:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:25:40 PM
• @WolfDK Miyagi Prefecture has power, and these stations are littered throughout each prefecture. What are the odds that 39/39 stations are operational in Ibaraki, yet 0/23 stations are NOT operation in Fukushima, right next to Ibaraki?
  by Jojo at 3/27/2011 9:25:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:25:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:25:31 PM
• by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 9:25:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:25:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:25:08 PM
• Might be worth a sticky, since people keep asking: Tokyo time is UTC (same thing as Greenwich) +9 hours. East coast USA is UTC -4 when on daylight time (now). London is UTC +1 on summer time.
  by Alaskan at 3/27/2011 9:24:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:24:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:24:34 PM
• There is a poll on VoaNews: Are you satisfied with the information the Japanese government is providing about the nuclear crisis? Only 20% have answered "yes"
  by Dom at 3/27/2011 9:24:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:24:21 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:24:21 PM
• Station data is right here... www.bousai.ne.jp
  by Jojo at 3/27/2011 9:24:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:24:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:24:01 PM
• @Nancy Again, what are the odds that 100% of the sensors in Fukushima, all in different towns spread around the prefecture, all are down...yet in Ibaraki, the prefecture right next to Fukushima, 100% of the sensors are up? Believe what you want I guess.
  by Jojo at 3/27/2011 9:23:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:23:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:23:53 PM
• Many wind anemometers still functional www.jma.go.jp
  by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 9:23:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:23:47 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:23:47 PM
• @Jojo @Jojo: do you have a link to the stats you quoted on the monitoring stations in those prefectures?
  by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 9:23:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:23:22 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:23:22 PM
• Also remember that entire perfectures are without power
  by WolfDK at 3/27/2011 9:23:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:23:19 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:23:19 PM
• I wonder how many are on here?
  by ricky at 3/27/2011 9:23:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:23:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:23:10 PM
• @Jojo It certainly seems suspicious, but with tsunami and radiation one easily construct a non-conspiratorial explanation.
  by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 9:22:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:22:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:22:31 PM
• @Jojo :same happened after chernobyl in Germany. every single station censored.
  by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 9:22:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:22:29 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:22:29 PM
• Watch "A BWR nuclear reactor explained"
  ...or else we'll have a massive compromise of the containment system!
  www.youtube.com
  by openmind at 3/27/2011 9:22:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:22:17 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:22:17 PM
• @Jojo, how do you explain a radiation station in an area that had all the buildings wiped out?
  by Nancy at 3/27/2011 9:21:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:21:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:21:41 PM

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• @Salvador Sure, I'm not surprised at all. Every government has done this since the dawn of history.
  by Jojo at 3/27/2011 9:21:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:21:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:21:40 PM
• @Matsuoko I'm cool :), just reporting information. It's pretty clear the Japanese government is withholding information, purposely.
  by Jojo at 3/27/2011 9:21:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:21:05 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:21:05 PM
• I think it's no surprise that they censor some information. Do you think the governments wouldn't do exactly the same in the US or Europe? Secrets, lies and missinformation is a government trademark, not only regarding niclear accidents.
  by Salvador at 3/27/2011 9:20:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:20:58 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:20:58 PM
• My question is are those station points in areas that were wiped out by the tsunami vs. those others that are currently working?
  by Nancy at 3/27/2011 9:20:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:20:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:20:54 PM
• @george - i have been out for a few hours and have come back to a list of new contributers - welcome all - the word must be out about our little place of discussion.
  by fiona at 3/27/2011 9:20:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:20:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:20:42 PM
• The scribd link radioguy just posted has some really good pictures of the container and the maintenance bay. One shows the big yellow cap stored off in a corner just like in the picture posted earlier today showing it visible from a blown out corner of #4. It looks like it just flipped on its side in the explosions.
  by Nancy at 3/27/2011 9:20:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:20:15 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:20:15 PM
• @Jojo : hey, cool down. it has been under survey from the first day on. nothing you can do against it. ;)
  by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 9:20:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:20:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:20:01 PM
• @Nancy Of course. This is active censorship of data from the Japanese government.
  by Jojo at 3/27/2011 9:19:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:19:25 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:19:25 PM
• @Nancy Also, 100% of the stations in prefectures RIGHT NEXT TO Fukushima/Miyagi are operational. In Ibraraki 39/39 stations are operational. Yet 0% of the stations in Miyagi/Fukushima are operational. That's quite a coincidence, eh?
  by Jojo at 3/27/2011 9:18:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:18:55 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:18:55 PM
• The plant has nothing to do with existing stations that monitor radioactivity. Those could have been on rooftops of buildings in various areas like they are in the states.
  by Nancy at 3/27/2011 9:18:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:18:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:18:27 PM
• IAEA: "Pressure in the RPV showed a slight increase at Unit 1 and was stable at Units 2 and 3, possibly indicating that there has been no major breach in the pressure vessels." "White “smoke” continued to be emitted from Units 1 to 4." This should answer a few questions raised earlier. www.iaea.org
  by Pedro Jesus at 3/27/2011 9:18:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:18:26 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:18:26 PM
• Yes, Miyagi, Fukushima and Ishikawa Prefectures have been "Under servey" continuously since before I started capturing/viewing the bosai.ne.jp data on March 23rd. Several locations within Ibaraki and Shizuoka are also "under servey" although when readings for those areas were given, the values were relatively low. I suppose some of these represent actual censorship and others may represent an actual instrument being checked/fixed/calibrated.
  by Sky at 3/27/2011 9:18:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:18:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:18:07 PM
• @Nancy I posted a video on youtube late last night early AM, that showed the Plant right after the Tsunami hit and there was NO visible damage to speak of
  by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 9:17:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:17:02 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:17:02 PM
• @Nancy Some of these towns are MILES inland, they wouldn't be touched by the tsunami. And even under earthquake damage, they were ALL wiped out? And the same thing for Miyagi Prefecture, miles away?
  by Jojo at 3/27/2011 9:16:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:16:25 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:16:25 PM
• www.bousai.ne.jp Every single town in Fukushima is "under survey", and has been for a week. This is common sense people, clearly they are not releasing those figures on purpose.
  by Jojo at 3/27/2011 9:15:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:15:25 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:15:25 PM
• @jojo. What i heard early on was either the stations were wiped out in the tsunami or govt. or TEPCO were supressing the info. Having the stations wiped out would make sense but you think someone would have put some temp stations in place to track radiation.
  by Nancy at 3/27/2011 9:15:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:15:23 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:15:23 PM
• www.scribd.com <== sorry...buffer didn't take.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 9:14:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:14:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:14:04 PM
• @Bobby1 Click the links for Miyagi and Fukushima. EVERY SINGLE LOCATION is either blank or 'Under survey". They are ALL busy?
  by Jojo at 3/27/2011 9:14:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:14:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:14:01 PM
• @Grizzly email me at gibbgeor@hotmail.com with details of your complaint.
  by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 9:13:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:13:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:13:40 PM
• 

  @George Check this out and see if it might deserve a sticky. Cross-sections and an illustrated history of the accident. pointscope01.jp

  by radioguy via Pointscope01.jp at 3/27/2011 9:13:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:13:30 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:13:30 PM
• Morning shots around that time almost always have steam. I think it is a dewpoint/fog type thing rather than things happening at the plant? When we lived by the Monticello reactor we would always see steam or big plumes between sunrise and about 10am. That was a case of hot water hitting cool water in their water exchange system outside I guess. The morning it made a big steam mushroom cloud kinda made me panic. I wish I would have had a camera with me. It was spectacular.
  by Nancy at 3/27/2011 9:12:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:12:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:12:57 PM
• @Jojo It could be that they are hiding info, but it could be that nobody is there to maintain the instruments.
  by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 9:12:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:12:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:12:41 PM
• 10489 dead + >16600 missed.
  by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 9:12:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:12:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:12:40 PM
• @FradyKat ty
  by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 9:12:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:12:14 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:12:14 PM
• @George - elaine said she was stepping away for 30 minutes, back around :20 after the hour.
  by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 9:11:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:11:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:11:40 PM
• @Apollo :)
  by marie rich at 3/27/2011 9:11:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:11:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:11:39 PM
• Grandma's on the roof.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 9:11:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:11:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:11:28 PM
• @Alaskan I see that plus actively hiding really bad information. Again, fro mthis why are Miyagi/Fukushima still "under survey" www.bousai.ne.jp Why do MEXT reports also blank out these prefectures?
  by Jojo at 3/27/2011 9:10:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:10:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:10:41 PM
• @marie: We all need a little respect sometimes. It's important to care & also to feel. And we do need to figure things out. We need engineers, we need ecologists, we need media watchers, we need people who can "translate" the style & content of info that is slowly dispersing from Japanese sources. And we need social glue (--look to the Japanese for expertise in this area) & shared humanity. Anything else? Perhaps a wee dram o' diplomacy. Thank you so much, Marie.
  by Apollo at 3/27/2011 9:10:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:10:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:10:24 PM
• @marie rich I'm liking the fact that the plumes are going pretty much straight up.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 9:10:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:10:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:10:09 PM
• @Elaine I sent you an email with new log on link - you will be able to pin
  by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 9:10:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:10:05 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:10:05 PM
• Sunup. Loks like a gorgeous day.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 9:09:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:09:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:09:20 PM
• 6:10 AM
  by Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 9:08:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:08:06 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:08:06 PM
• @Radioguy what is the time in Japan right now?
  by Nancy at 3/27/2011 9:07:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:07:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:07:41 PM
• Some interesting new information: "A former TEPCO employee who has remained in contact with a worker involved in restoring an outside power source to the Fukushima plant brought up more serious concerns.
  
  "It appears that safety management of radiation can only be described as terrible," the former employee said. The worker explained to the former employee what was going on at Fukushima:
  
  Hydrogen explosions at the No. 1 and No. 3 reactors blew out almost all the windows in the three-storied clerical headquarters that contains the core functions for the Fukushima No. 1 plant. Radioactive materials have been blown into the damaged clerical building.
  
  Blueprints of the reactors and other equipment needed to restore power were stored within the clerical building so they cannot be used. Documents had to be obtained from the offices of affiliated companies.
  
  A number of locations within the plant site have turned into unexpected danger zones with high radiation levels. " www.asahi.com
  by Salvador at 3/27/2011 9:07:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:07:26 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:07:26 PM
• @Jo Lindien Yes. I see two plumes of vapor/smoke.. and possibly some grayish smoke just to left of forward tower/above white olume
  by marie rich at 3/27/2011 9:06:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:06:58 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:06:58 PM
• @radioguy:
  by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 9:06:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:06:58 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:06:58 PM
• Hey George, don't apologize. We appreciate the work you're doing.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 9:06:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:06:49 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:06:49 PM
• Sorry all I had to step away for a few hours
  by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 9:06:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:06:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:06:10 PM
• George linked lots of it up top.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 9:05:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:05:47 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:05:47 PM
• 
  Sorry pressed enter. Number 1, trying to pump radioactive water from turbine hall to empty condensate tanks, want to up from 1 pump to 3. The 2 and 3 reactors , they want to empty the condensate tanks to adjacent pools and pump the contaminated water from the turbine halls into the tanks.
  by Treiagonaut at 3/27/2011 9:05:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:05:44 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:05:44 PM
• Hi all. Been away at kids activities all day. Anyone want to give me a synopsis of anything new or significant since late last night?
  by ricky at 3/27/2011 9:04:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:04:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:04:43 PM
• There's always more steam in this hour's shots. It actually seems less, but so do the clouds so maybe it's dew point.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 9:04:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:04:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:04:31 PM
• @radioguy @Alaskan Ditto
  by marie rich at 3/27/2011 9:04:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:04:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:04:08 PM
• "FLASH: Explosion heard at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi No.2 reactor: Jiji News Agency" <- FAKE
  by John at 3/27/2011 9:03:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:03:50 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:03:50 PM

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• @salvador: if you look closer, you'll see 2 steam sources. #3 & #4 ?
  by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 9:03:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:03:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:03:31 PM
• From NHK World TV
  by Treiagonaut at 3/27/2011 9:03:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:03:26 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:03:26 PM
• Condensers in 2 and 3 are almost full as per NHK
  by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 9:03:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:03:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:03:08 PM
• Union of Concerned Scientist: How Much Does Japan Know About the Status of its Reactors? allthingsnuclear.org
  by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 9:03:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:03:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:03:00 PM
• @Alaskan, +1
  by WolfDK at 3/27/2011 9:02:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:02:50 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:02:50 PM
• Steam from #4 SFP still visible on that picture.
  by Salvador at 3/27/2011 9:02:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:02:19 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:02:19 PM
• @timme Steam again ?.and what's your opinion on the building ?...
  by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 9:02:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:02:19 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:02:19 PM
• Whose quote is it, "never attribute to malice that which is easily explained by stupidity."
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 9:02:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:02:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:02:18 PM
• Opinion: I'm with those here who do not see a global conspiracy, but instead see a series of missteps by Tepco, the government, etc. that are the products of a culture that does not question authority, and that is operating in brush-fire reactive mode while experiencing severe fatigue. Fog of war and all that.
  by Alaskan at 3/27/2011 9:01:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:01:26 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:01:26 PM
• 

  new cam image pointscope01.jp

  by timme via Pointscope01.jp at 3/27/2011 9:01:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:01:06 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:01:06 PM
• whoops didn't mean to send last post. I've been following from 1st out of concern for the people of Japan -almost a kind of vigil - as it's all I can do. It's impossible to find informed debate on this in the UK media. I've learned a lot from this blog & its predecessor, including the fact that we are all in unknown territory here. What is positive is that people from all over the wqorld are here trying to puzzle it out becasuse we care about what is happening to our fellow human beings
  by Val UK at 3/27/2011 9:00:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:00:50 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:00:50 PM
• @radioguy, structures are usually over-engineered (e.g. 2X stronger than max. load) so it's hard to imagine the torus legs could not support higher water levels than usual. Seawater is not that much denser than fresh -- the fuel rods are really dense. While the plant engineers may have screwed up on Tsunami risk I'm fairly certain the containment would be designed to hold even if all relief valves stopped working.
  by Alaskan at 3/27/2011 8:59:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:59:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:59:01 PM
• @Salu we should know in a minute or an hour
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 8:59:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:59:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:59:00 PM
• Weekend local USA news anchors commented about Japan's "bluish " color casting for backgrounds behind many updates shown by "Officials" ...they mentioned blue having a calming emotional effect on the population. < Question : due to the differences we have seen on the CamShots shown from the plant -is this at all a possibility or was it to distort trees,smoke-vapors etc. from speculation ?
  by Salu at 3/27/2011 8:58:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:58:23 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:58:23 PM
• In the info lull, let me post the link to this stunning video of the tsunami again. www.liveleak.com
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 8:58:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:58:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:58:09 PM
• Recent NYT article re fears and facts: www.nytimes.com
  by es at 3/27/2011 8:57:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:57:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:57:59 PM
• Hi guys
  by Val UK at 3/27/2011 8:57:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:57:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:57:20 PM
• On Jiji news home page (may have to click English button upper right corner to see Engl. version) I see no mention of that. jen.jiji.com
  by Sky at 3/27/2011 8:57:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:57:03 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:57:03 PM
• Came across Twitter AND I said : Looking for Confirmation....
  I am not finding it..so disreguard. thank you
  by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 8:55:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:55:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:55:04 PM
• Nothing on the various Japanese news agencies I'm checking.
  by kb at 3/27/2011 8:54:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:54:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:54:57 PM
• @VeenOui That are news from 14.03.2011
  by me at 3/27/2011 8:54:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:54:55 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:54:55 PM
• @VeenOui i am watching NHK , nothing on there
  by Treiagonaut at 3/27/2011 8:54:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:54:19 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:54:19 PM
• @VeenOui: do you have a link ? nothing on Kyodo, for now...
  by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 8:53:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:53:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:53:36 PM
• @VeenOui What is your source?
  by kb at 3/27/2011 8:53:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:53:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:53:28 PM
• @salvador could you give brief unfo on what neutron beam means and what does it indicate thanks
  by fitter at 3/27/2011 8:52:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:52:44 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:52:44 PM
• Here's a quote from that GE MK1 Modifications document someone posted a while back ( www.gereports.com ): "A further modification was made to the “saddles” on which the torus sits — basically the series of leg-like structures that support it. The construction was fortified, as was the steel, to accommodate the loads that are generated."
  
  So how does heat-concentrated seawater affect the weight of the torus? If they strengthened it to meet stresses from wight, how much headroom is there. Could it be that the added weight of the seawater that was injected opened an already fatigued seam?
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 8:52:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:52:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:52:07 PM
• @all be back later, hold the fort!
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 8:52:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:52:02 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:52:02 PM
• @ALL It's all good. I love to hear evrything, 'cuz it might spark another thought in my head. And if we get alittle passionate- well, that's cause we all FEEL, as well as think. Nature of a human. :)
  by marie rich at 3/27/2011 8:50:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:50:50 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:50:50 PM
• I am looking for confirmation
  FLASH: Explosion heard at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi No.2 reactor: Jiji News Agency
  by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 8:50:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:50:15 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:50:15 PM
• Back in 30 mins
  by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 8:49:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:49:25 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:49:25 PM
• @ Elainekirk2001 Good job! :)
  by janelle at 3/27/2011 8:47:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:47:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:47:18 PM
• After taking a moment and stepping away I'll say this. Personally I have been following this from day 1 for MANY reasons. First and foremost in my mind is Japan and the impact there, I don't appreciate the implication that I am here because I'm sitting in Canada scared about how it will effect me here or how it might effect my husband when he goes to Vegas. (if it wasn't directed @ me I'm sorry but thats surely the way it felt).
  
  Secondary to my concern for Japan is the fact that I live 20 miles from a nuclear plant with 8 reactors where my husband works. Seeing how this plays out in the media/official releases etc is very important imho, if that is selfish or a "wrong" reason to be here in your opinion I'm sorry, but in my opinion it is very important to watch in realtime.
  
  The Reuters blog and all of us landing here has been a priceless/innovative resource. If I gave the wrong impression with my knee jerk post in response to the readings in Las Vegas, I'm sorry, admittedly I should have thought that one through a little more before I posted, but it doesn't change the fact that LOGIC tells me not to worry, the UNKNOWN picks away at the edges.
  
  And finally, it is good to have an opinion based on the facts that have been released from TEPCO/official sources but ultimately NOBODY knows how this will play out because it has never happened before.
  
  I will be careful with my posts from here on out and make sure they are fact driven.
  by Canadian at 3/27/2011 8:46:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:46:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:46:10 PM
• After the "neutron beam" data I'm pretty sure that plutonium is out of the reactors.
  by Salvador at 3/27/2011 8:45:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:45:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:45:59 PM
• @Poland I've been asking around on the blogs I'm following, and the going phrase for Tokyo seems to be "concerned, anxious, but not panicked."
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 8:45:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:45:05 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:45:05 PM
• @Poland if you follow twitter.com!/AmbassadorRoos on twitter you will get pretty up to date info on subject of whether they evac or not
  by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 8:45:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:45:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:45:04 PM
• @elainekirk Thanks for that.
  by es at 3/27/2011 8:44:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:44:50 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:44:50 PM
• Tokyo Electric Power Company has asked independent research centers to check if radioactive substances from the Fukushima plant contain highly toxic plutonium.
  
  The company says it expects the results will be available within several days.
  
  The nuclear power plant continues to emit radioactive materials that may include plutonium.
  Plutonium is a radioactive element that is produced when uranium fission occurs in a reactor core.
  by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 8:44:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:44:11 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:44:11 PM
• @elainekirk thank you.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 8:44:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:44:06 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:44:06 PM
• Oh dear, this is just crazy stuff. I wont even start that video. Why would you post it?
  by Salvador at 3/27/2011 8:43:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:43:25 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:43:25 PM
• @Poland news links at the top.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 8:42:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:42:44 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:42:44 PM
• Previously, we have been injecting fresh water in to the reactor
  utilizing fire pump, however, we have switched over to utilizing
  temporary electrical pump from 6:31 pm on March 27th.
  www.tepco.co.jp
  by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 8:40:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:40:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:40:20 PM
• @Poland Nothing but personality fallout on this Blog..:-O
  by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 8:40:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:40:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:40:07 PM
• The turbine room is off to the right in that pic.
  by Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 8:39:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:39:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:39:59 PM
• hello I returned, what's new in the last hours?
  by Poland at 3/27/2011 8:39:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:39:21 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:39:21 PM
• @Grizzly This is blog is not affiliated with Reuters. The guy that set it up and all the moderators are volunteers. We all need to cut them some slack. Trying to filter the junk from the useful is no easy task.
  by jay77 at 3/27/2011 8:39:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:39:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:39:01 PM

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• @hans I can't wait to see the CLEAR picture in full sunlight
  by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 8:38:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:38:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:38:35 PM
• @Tenzing: Well said. Good for you.
  by Lethbridgean at 3/27/2011 8:38:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:38:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:38:34 PM
• 

  @Josh It appears that the only way for water to get into the turbine room would be if pipes were leaking. upload.wikimedia.org

  by Ralph Unger via Upload.wikimedia.org at 3/27/2011 8:38:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:38:26 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:38:26 PM
• 

  another morning in fukushima pointscope01.jp

  by hans via Pointscope01.jp at 3/27/2011 8:36:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:36:45 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:36:45 PM
• OPINION/CONSIDERATION/REQUEST:@Grizzly: Granted radiation is very heavy and large amounts can't travel far on our planet, however, perhaps this EVENT even thought it may be a localized physiological effect for the people of Japan has a broader effect on the population of our Planet Earth which validates a rather high level of concern and doubt that at times is expressed as fear similar to what transpired last night by members of this forum during the "mistake" in reporting a radiation spike 10 million times above normal. From where I sit, this EVENT inspires humble consideration for the people of Japan and deeper level of compassion for the human race. I remember several posts on the this blog and the original Reuters blog that stated with out a doubt, the events that have transpired during the past few days at Fukushima would never happen. Fear is essential to our survival. The collective fear over this EVENT just may be a simple reaction to the breach or meltdown in the core of our humanity. I offer this link for a change in perspective and humbly request we remember the suffering of our fellow sentient beings on the Island of Japan. At some point this blog may become a historical document and I wonder what the people of Japan will think about the minimal attention this blog has paid to the humanitarian aspects of their suffering. This number crunching and theoretical banter at times appears akin to ego fluff. www.uncontactedtribes.org
  by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 8:35:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:35:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:35:34 PM
• @all: www.nytimes.com outlies
  by elise at 3/27/2011 8:34:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:34:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:34:54 PM
• @marie And since then, they haven't said a word about Strontium 90? Strange.
  by Salvador at 3/27/2011 8:33:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:33:58 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:33:58 PM
• @Grizzly I tried to defuse a situation, maybe clumsily but well meant. Nobody else seemed to object to a temporary slowing of posts
  by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 8:33:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:33:48 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:33:48 PM
• And to those that are moderating, you would rather support chaos and random claims than educated information. I did not personally attack and I would love to be shown in which way I did. I see that I have been removed from auto-publish because of someone's opinion regarding what I am saying and how the moderators do not agree with it. This blog is turning into one big conspiracy theory. I am disappointed with your actions and I hope you enjoy your fear mongering. I will be contacting Reuters to assure that they do not assume this blog is fair and balanced but instead would promote panic over information.
  by Grizzly at 3/27/2011 8:32:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:32:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:32:04 PM
• Thank you marie, will take a good look at that.
  by Salvador at 3/27/2011 8:31:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:31:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:31:27 PM
• @Salvador Note date on top 22 Mar. Tried to post this on Reuters, with my comment- but, no... :)
  by marie rich at 3/27/2011 8:30:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:30:47 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:30:47 PM
• I don't know if this is useful a gas reactor but the situation with seawater getting into reactor could maybe be interesting to some of you en.wikipedia.org
  by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 8:30:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:30:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:30:18 PM
• @Salvador Here it is. Sort of casually mentioned Sr90. www.mext.go.jp
  by marie rich at 3/27/2011 8:29:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:29:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:29:43 PM
• @elainekirk2001 Yes.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 8:27:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:27:47 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:27:47 PM
• @radioguy I can't do sticky can you bring it to George's attention when he gets back please
  by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 8:26:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:26:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:26:53 PM
• @Patrick Kelley Now that we can agree on! I would certainly be as far away as I could get.
  by James Ward at 3/27/2011 8:26:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:26:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:26:28 PM
• @Sky: The condenser tanks are where the steam coming from the reactor goes after the turbines, to cool, condense back into water and be pumped back into the reactor after that. They are meant to process steam/water from the reactor, but normally reactors use very pure water that doesn't get contaminated very easily - very unlike seawater with a lot of impurities. In any case.. now we at least know where all the water went that they injected into the reactor.. seems it got converted into steam and ended up in those condenser tanks .. and seems a lot of other volatile radioactive substances from the reactor also ended up in there..
  by sims at 3/27/2011 8:26:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:26:11 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:26:11 PM
• By the way, I've gone back to this link www.scribd.com Several times. Look it over and see if it should get a sticky.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 8:25:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:25:29 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:25:29 PM
• @Apollo It's very sad that the Japanese people are having to look elsewhere for reliable information.
  by James Ward at 3/27/2011 8:25:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:25:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:25:24 PM
• @all I'm not one for scenarios, but at this point best case is it's going to get worse before it gets better, and right now things are pretty f***ing bad. I wouldn't be within 100miles of that plant
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 8:25:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:25:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:25:18 PM
• @Patrick Kelley Thanks for the Ars Technica link. More reliable sources is always better.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 8:23:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:23:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:23:54 PM
• @Patrick: I am trying to keep my N. American friends & relatives grounded in reality while also keeping my Japanese (& Japan-located) friends & relatives grounded in reality. As you can imagine, my message to the former is somewhat the opposite of my message to the latter. I do see a tendency among folks in Japan to seek out blogs and forums that entertain best case scenarios . . .
  by Apollo at 3/27/2011 8:23:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:23:23 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:23:23 PM
• @Salvador Here's latest data on 'dust' sampling and amts in veggies. (warning: alot, and apparently only looking for cessium and iodine isotopes). I KNOW I saw that cause it hit me like a brick. Still looking www.mext.go.jp
  by marie rich at 3/27/2011 8:23:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:23:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:23:04 PM
• Anyway, I wonder how well shielded the condenser tanks are? What they are designed/intended to normally hold? Perhaps there are safety reasons why putting the contaminated water into the tanks is a bad idea.
  by Sky at 3/27/2011 8:21:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:21:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:21:59 PM
• Here's the mention of the tanks from news.businessweek.com
  
  "The company plans to put the radioactive water into condenser tanks. Those tanks are probably already full, so crews must find a way to drain them, company officials said at a briefing today."
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 8:21:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:21:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:21:43 PM
• A link to a nice old photo of the containment vessel. ecclesiastess.tumblr.com
  by Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 8:21:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:21:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:21:40 PM
• You get more radioactive contamination from coal plants than you do from nuclear reactors.
  by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 8:21:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:21:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:21:10 PM
• Thank you @marie for your search and link!
  by Salvador at 3/27/2011 8:20:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:20:45 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:20:45 PM
• @Joshua Diamond And I don't think either side is lying; they just highlight information they want you to see and hide information they don't. Take the Japanese Nuclear Safety site: www.bousai.ne.jp The max radiation for Miyagi and Fukushima prefectures have been "Under survey" for 10 days now. Do you REALLY think they are under survey for 10 days?
  by Jojo at 3/27/2011 8:20:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:20:38 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:20:38 PM
• If you are worried so much about radiation go here and see exactly how much fallout you have already had www.youtube.com
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 8:20:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:20:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:20:04 PM
• This seems to be an AOL interviewer with someone from Chernobyl telling the Japanese to get away now ?
  Google translated
  translate.google.com
  by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 8:19:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:19:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:19:33 PM
• @Patrick Kelley Is that supposed to be comforting? :) Just kidding. But that is the real concern. The problem from my standpoint is lack of information. We get bits and pieces and no overall picture. It's that not knowing which is causing fear, around the world and also in Japan.
  by Jojo at 3/27/2011 8:19:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:19:03 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:19:03 PM
• @ Patrick Kelly Thanks
  by jt at 3/27/2011 8:18:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:18:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:18:59 PM
• The fact that Tepco announced they planned to draw off the contaminated water into the condenser tanks (evidently believing they had adequate unfilled volume available) then later retracted and said the condenser tanks were already full, suggests to me that during the crisis reaction to this accident they have not been keeping careful tabs on many specific environmental parameters of the site that they would normally know definitively. I wonder how many other actions are based on supposition? We used to call this "fire-fighting mode", not referring to literal fires but to the way people act during a crisis where all former careful approaches are discarded in favor of instant reactions to what's perceived to be the most critical at the moment.
  by Sky at 3/27/2011 8:18:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:18:47 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:18:47 PM
• @JT I didn't mod you out I am just trying to filter and it takes time I have now put you on auto post
  by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 8:18:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:18:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:18:36 PM
• @Salvador I remember reading they were going to test the SOIL for strontium around the plant. Have yet to find it, but in the meantime; the reports from TEPCO on radionuclides in sea water and air. www.tepco.co.jp
  by marie rich at 3/27/2011 8:18:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:18:30 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:18:30 PM
• @all please be considerate of this forum.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 8:18:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:18:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:18:16 PM
• Heres a good one arstechnica.com
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 8:17:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:17:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:17:52 PM
• @VeenOui -- there are always 2 sides -- but that doesn't mean that both sides are correct. Sometimes one is right, and the other is a mistake, or worse - a bald-faced lie. And sometimes both are right.
  
  "Understanding is a three edged sword. Your side, their side, and the truth."
  by Joshua Diamond at 3/27/2011 8:17:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:17:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:17:16 PM
• @Patrick Kelly Trying again: I just made a request for a link to a more technical forum (my background is mathematics and physics), but apparently that request was moderated out!!!
  by jt at 3/27/2011 8:17:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:17:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:17:07 PM
• Boats and fish come to mind as a source to spread contamination. The Japanese had huge protest about leaking nuke subs at military bases in 2008.
  by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 8:16:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:16:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:16:53 PM
• And just from a scientific point of view, if the US somehow gets enough fallout for there to be a problem, it will be the least of our worries because the oceans will be dying and our entire ecosystem is reliant on the oceans. These fears of radioactive fallout are misplaced because for it to get there it has to stretch the entire Pacific Ocean and if it does the ocean death is far worse then some radioactive rain.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 8:16:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:16:50 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:16:50 PM
• @all: i found reading about chernobyl on google books "arsenal of folly" by richard rhodes to be helpful in calming my own fears ~ it starts on page 8 and outlines why the particles where carried so far.
  by elise at 3/27/2011 8:16:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:16:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:16:43 PM
• @Patrick Kelley Just curious, but after reading the parent site of the Chernobyl fallout map, is it fair to say that you believe that the Red Sea was parted, but you don't believe fallout can travel from Japan to the US?
  by James Ward at 3/27/2011 8:16:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:16:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:16:33 PM
• @Patrick Kelley Right, but we have already seen radiation hit the US from Fukushima. At this point it's a matter of degree.
  by Jojo at 3/27/2011 8:14:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:14:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:14:57 PM

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• It's the by-product cesium from the plutonium that is the worry. It's light and carries in the wind easily. the fallout on the map is cesium.
  by Charlie at 3/27/2011 8:13:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:13:22 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:13:22 PM
• @Barbara Absolutely. I have seen reports where the energy released so far has been 1/2 of Chernobyl (in terms of iodine). If Chernobyl affected most of Europe, it's reasonable to at least be concerned wherever you are. Just brushing everything off "no problem" without giving any data is condescending and actually makes people MORE suspicious.
  by Jojo at 3/27/2011 8:12:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:12:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:12:57 PM
• @Apollo Never mind I see it.. Good catch
  by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 8:12:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:12:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:12:52 PM
• 

  @all www.wwyd.org (fallout map of chernobyl) Notice the distances, now compare that with the distance of Japan to the US. There is no way for the fuel to have an explosion like the one at chernobyl which blew while the reactor was fully active. We could still have an explosion, but there is no way for it to be even close to as powerful as that. I'm not saying this is better or worse then chernobyl, only saying that from an absolutely scientific point of view, it is impossible to scatter plutonium that far.

  by Patrick Kelley via Wwyd.org at 3/27/2011 8:11:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:11:29 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:11:29 PM
• @Apollo - Yes - it was already thought that the suppression pool in #3 reactor [?] was completely full, and that the containment itself was partially flooded.
  by Joshua Diamond at 3/27/2011 8:11:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:11:22 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:11:22 PM
• OK everyone, let's NOT FORGET, there are ALWAYS 2 sides to a story !
  by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 8:10:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:10:56 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:10:56 PM
• @Apollo That does not mention condenser tanks being full?
  by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 8:10:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:10:48 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:10:48 PM
• Surely we are all deeply pained and worried about our already stressed out earth and the human suffering and danger continuing to threaten the Japanese people. Some of us are also deeply concerned about the potential for harm for loved ones who could potentially be in harms way and that is understandable.
  by Barbara at 3/27/2011 8:10:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:10:26 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:10:26 PM
• Speaking about "trust" and "science", you have to factor in politics to the equation. Some scientists are "pro-nuclear" and thus would minimize/not report damaging information. They might not lie, but they won't tell the entire truth either. I have seen this from the EPA and the Japanese Ministry of Science this entire time.
  by Jojo at 3/27/2011 8:10:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:10:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:10:24 PM
• @Grizzly I believe actual factual data. I asked you for a link to back up your comment and you failed to do anything other than attack me. Let's just call it a day and try to avoid any future conversation.
  by James Ward at 3/27/2011 8:09:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:09:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:09:57 PM
• @Bobby1 agreed. We are all on the same side here. I don't think anyone should feel they are being attacked. The goals are to further information about what is happening and what the future consequences could be.
  by tippytoe at 3/27/2011 8:09:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:09:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:09:53 PM
• "Safety agency officials had been hoping to pump the water into huge, partly empty tanks inside the reactor that are designed to hold condensed water.
  
  Those tanks, though, turned out to be completely full, said Hidehiko Nishiyama of Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency."
  by Apollo at 3/27/2011 8:08:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:08:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:08:57 PM
• Tepco is keeping us confused over the issue, we start arguing, which is the desired outcome.
  by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 8:08:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:08:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:08:36 PM
• @Patrick Kelley What are some of the things bandied about that are not scientific? On either "side" of this crisis.
  by Jojo at 3/27/2011 8:08:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:08:19 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:08:19 PM
• @NHK: hosted.ap.org
  by Apollo at 3/27/2011 8:08:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:08:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:08:07 PM
• Isn't debate about these issues constructive? When experts just say here's the facts, believe us, you wouldn't understand anyway it raises concern. Btw, I have a technical background.
  by tippytoe at 3/27/2011 8:07:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:07:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:07:42 PM
• @James Ward You can believe that you've been lied to, which is most likely the case because panic does not work well in society but the fact is that Chernobyl was high atmosphere release and you were not injured. If you will not accept that low level radiation release from Japan will not harm you, then I don't know what will convince you of the otherwise. That isn't directed toward only you, either, it is a comprehensive statement to those that believe the government will not tell them the truth about radiation but are still alive after Chernobyl.
  by Grizzly at 3/27/2011 8:07:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:07:29 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:07:29 PM
• @Salvador They haven't even told us that they've found plutonium. If there is a breach in Reactor #3, TEPCO should be finding AND reporting it.
  by James Ward at 3/27/2011 8:07:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:07:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:07:24 PM
• @Salvador The last I remember, they were going to test for it. I'll try to find out
  by marie rich at 3/27/2011 8:06:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:06:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:06:28 PM
• I thought it was on allthingsnucllear but It was here somewhere... I'll try to find it.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 8:06:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:06:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:06:00 PM
• @Bobby1 @Patrick Kelley I don't think either of you will convince the other. It is like having a 'religious' argument. I even had to let the comments about someone's shaman's prediction go. We just have to try to sort the real info from the fear. NP
  by gabe at 3/27/2011 8:05:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:05:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:05:39 PM
• @radioguy I don't remember hearing that.
  by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 8:05:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:05:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:05:33 PM
• @elainekirk2001 Nice.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 8:05:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:05:21 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:05:21 PM
• I'm modding Patrick
  by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 8:04:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:04:58 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:04:58 PM
• @ll [Question] Does anyone know if they have found Strontium 90 in the turbine hall water or around Fukushima? I just read an interview (in german) with Prof. Max Bichler from the atom- institute of the Vienna university. He said that they MUST find a lot of Strontium 90 if the containment and the reactor vessel are damaged. It doesn't vaporize easily and would be transported by water. Anyone heard about Strontium 90?
  by Salvador at 3/27/2011 8:04:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:04:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:04:33 PM
• @NHK Listener Didn't I read that the condenser tanks are full?
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 8:04:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:04:11 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:04:11 PM
• Is there anyone moderating?
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 8:04:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:04:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:04:09 PM
• @Grizzly Okay, I'll bite. Where are you getting your data to prove your assertions that "models indicate minute and harmless levels of radiation. Every day you are exposed to radiation from your local nuclear plant in addition to everything else. You are not harmed by those amounts, nor will you be harmed by any amount from Japan." Some of us have been around long enough to know that what we've being told about radioactivity over the last few decades has not always been the truth.
  by James Ward at 3/27/2011 8:03:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:03:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:03:54 PM
• I have to say I'm with Bobby1 and others who believe that there very well could be a concern of radiation fallout outside of Japan. It appears to me that no experts have the slightest clue as to what is happening and how long it will go on for. It's a fact that nuclear fallout is reaching the US. We're told that it doesn't affect health at these levels, which is likely true. But, it appears to be a function of time and content released as to how much will end up here when all is said and done. Depending on what happens that could be substantial. Any experts have bonafide proof it won't?
  by tippytoe at 3/27/2011 8:03:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:03:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:03:31 PM
• According to the News Releases, high radiation level in the water was also
  found in the basement of the turbine building of Unit 1, 2 and 3. The level of
  radiation on the surface of water was more than 1000 millisieverts (mSv) per
  hour in Unit-2, 60mSv in Unit-1, 750mSv in Unit-3. NISA officials believe
  the contaminated water likely came from the reactor rather than the spent
  fuel pool because the radionuclide detected contained in the fuel and some
  had short half-lives. TEPCO took immediate action to drain off the water
  because current situation would cause delay in recovery work. TEPCO
  already started draining off the water in Unit-1, and also preparing or
  considering drain off the water in Unit-2 and -3. The water would be sent to
  condensers in the turbine building. www.jaif.or.jp
  by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 8:03:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:03:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:03:10 PM
• @Patrick Kelley Not an expert in this area, I am a statistician.
  by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 8:02:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:02:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:02:40 PM
• 
  by radioguy via Pointscope01.jp at 3/27/2011 8:02:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:02:38 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:02:38 PM
• @bobby1 what is your background?
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 8:02:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:02:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:02:00 PM
• @Grizzly Which is fine, except for the plutonium joker in the deck. I know it's heavy. But we need more information about the MOX milling process, etc.
  by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 8:01:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:01:48 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:01:48 PM
• dawn over fukushima www.tepco.co.jp
  by marie rich at 3/27/2011 8:01:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:01:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:01:43 PM
• @all if you guys want anyone with any kind of knowledge to stay on this site, I highly recommend you stop making baseless scientific claims, I'm also at 4 technical forums right now and they are giving some amazing information. I'm only here to try and help you guys understand the science behind it. Disagreeing with actual scientific proof is ridiculous, and if you don't have any background it's ignorance. Quit with the Fear Mongering this is scary enough as it is.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 8:01:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:01:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:01:31 PM
• I'll stop worrying about how it's going to affect us all when they figure out how to constrain it, contain it and make the containment safe for 25,000+ years in potentially rising seas.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 8:01:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:01:23 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:01:23 PM
• @Bobby1 And those models indicate minute and harmless levels of radiation. Every day you are exposed to radiation from your local nuclear plant in addition to everything else. You are not harmed by those amounts, nor will you be harmed by any amount from Japan.
  by Grizzly at 3/27/2011 7:59:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:59:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:59:31 PM
• @Canadian The worst case scenario would still mean he would be okay.
  by Andy at 3/27/2011 7:58:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:58:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:58:57 PM
• @radioguy Thanks :)
  by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 7:58:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:58:49 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:58:49 PM
• @Patrick Kelley The worries should be focused on Japan and marine life, however the atmospheric dispersion models indicate more contamination possible in western US than in parts of northern and southern Japan.
  by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 7:58:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:58:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:58:31 PM
• @elainekirk2001 It all has to go somewhere.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:58:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:58:12 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:58:12 PM
• @VeenOui I have a great deal of faith in the intelligence, and more important, the resorcefulness, of the people on this blog.
  by marie rich at 3/27/2011 7:58:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:58:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:58:00 PM
• The latest IAEA report says "New data from monitoring of the marine environment, carried out from 24 March 22:55 UTC to 25 March 03:32 UTC about 30 km offshore, show a decrease in both caesium-137 and iodine 131. The contamination at these locations is influenced by aerial deposition of fallout as well as by the migration of contaminated seawater from the discharge points at the reactor." so are the discharging straight into the sea? www.iaea.org
  by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 7:57:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:57:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:57:43 PM
• @Patrick Personally, I'd say I'm more concerned about the hit the entire ecosystems of the earth have taken over the past two years. They hardly needed this.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:57:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:57:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:57:24 PM

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• @Patrick, I guess it is possible to be concerned for Japanese people and yourself at the same time, not mutually exclusive. We still have Cs in our hot spot area in Sweden from Chernobyl. I have no idea how long Cs travels with the winds, do you?
  by Jill in Sweden at 3/27/2011 7:57:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:57:17 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:57:17 PM
• @Patrick Kelley I am worried about the environment as a whole because of this. (Japan and the ocean) However, I don't have any knowledge in what happens in the ocean to effect it, nor how radiation will effect it, so I'm trying not to say anything on the subject because my assumptions will most likely be grossly wrong.
  by Natalie at 3/27/2011 7:56:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:56:58 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:56:58 PM
• @Patrick Kelley So true.
  by Grizzly at 3/27/2011 7:55:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:55:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:55:53 PM
• @marie rich I do NOT doubt that, EPA is not up to par
  by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 7:55:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:55:46 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:55:46 PM
• @Nancy -- there has been some speculation that at least one of the containments is partially flooded...
  by Joshua Diamond at 3/27/2011 7:55:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:55:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:55:39 PM
• @marie rich Sad but true.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:55:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:55:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:55:27 PM
• *sigh* I believe I said I'm worried about the oceans, but seriously are you all here because of the worries about your own safety... if you are I'm ashamed at the lack of consideration.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 7:55:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:55:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:55:08 PM
• @elise Well the worry is that a meltdown might induce such an explosion.
  by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 7:55:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:55:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:55:01 PM
• @VeenOui I just said to my daughter, " Don't worry. If the kids are in danger this blog will let me know before the EPA can". HA
  by marie rich at 3/27/2011 7:54:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:54:48 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:54:48 PM
• @elise: Event at Chernobyl, which did release a significant amount of Plutonium, the main health issues came from Cs and I..
  by sims at 3/27/2011 7:54:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:54:13 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:54:13 PM
• @Patrick Of course there is a way. Fish.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:53:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:53:50 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:53:50 PM
• Of course if Tepco was more forthcoming we might not be having this issue.
  by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 7:53:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:53:45 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:53:45 PM
• @bobby1: I believe that if the explosion been as hot and as high as chernobyl, or whatever that are smelting in china, it would be a concern. the hydrogen explosions & steam being released is not heating the elements up in the way that would allow them to "loft" from what ive read about
  by elise at 3/27/2011 7:53:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:53:32 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:53:32 PM
• @Bobby1 That is indeed true...again, physics suffices and physics is not controlled by the government.
  by Grizzly at 3/27/2011 7:53:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:53:30 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:53:30 PM
• @Canadian neutral source would seem to be at question.
  by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 7:53:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:53:23 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:53:23 PM
• You know, IF there would be fallout anywhere on this Earth, i would think, THIS Blog here would immediatly carry out the message..hence, I see this Blog not as fear mongling but informative and IF need be a PRE EMPTIVE warning news gathering source.
  by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 7:53:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:53:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:53:20 PM
• @Patrick agreed. But...there're going ro be unforeseen consequences of this event that affect the globe for decades. I was trained to look for patterns and project possibilities. We will have massive inflation and food shortages by the end of the year, globally. That was already known, and this just makes it worse.
  by marie rich at 3/27/2011 7:53:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:53:12 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:53:12 PM
• @Grizzly That there is no way plutonium could make it to US.
  by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 7:52:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:52:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:52:57 PM
• @Bobby1 What statement do you consider to be an unsupportable blanket statement?
  by Grizzly at 3/27/2011 7:52:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:52:22 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:52:22 PM
• I didn't mean to indicate that I am of the opinion that there is currently a great threat to anyone outside of Japan, my main concern and reason to be here is to be educated from the best source from the most intelligent mostly neutral source on what is happening in Japan and the total effect of the situation. BUT ultimately we do NOT know what the global effects will be and yes, concerns did enter my mind, perhaps I shouldn't have expressed them here.
  by Canadian at 3/27/2011 7:51:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:51:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:51:51 PM
• @Bobby completely supportable it's called Physics and we have a very good understanding of this.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 7:51:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:51:47 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:51:47 PM
• @Bobby1 I agree 100%
  by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 7:51:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:51:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:51:20 PM
• @Patrick Kelley The only impact would be on the world economy and in that sense, the world has weathered disasters before and it can do it again.
  by Grizzly at 3/27/2011 7:51:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:51:12 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:51:12 PM
• @Patrick Kelley Seems like an unsupportable blanket statement to me.
  by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 7:50:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:50:49 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:50:49 PM
• @NHK yep @Bobby1 plutonium is one of the heaviest substances on earth and cannot travel far. No possible way to make it to the US
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 7:50:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:50:14 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:50:14 PM
• The guess last night was that water ended up in the turbine room via the pipes or the opening for the pipes. I have to wonder if there is a way the basement/torus water could have flowed up and into the turbine area since the buildings are at least connected.
  by Nancy at 3/27/2011 7:50:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:50:11 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:50:11 PM
• @elise Lead concentrations from China have been detected in the western US.
  by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 7:49:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:49:45 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:49:45 PM
• @Patrick: Indeed, sir.
  by Apollo at 3/27/2011 7:49:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:49:14 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:49:14 PM
• plutonium is slightly less heavy than lead, dosent go far.
  by elise at 3/27/2011 7:49:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:49:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:49:08 PM
• It doesn't help the US polpulation if the EPA hasn't posted an update since the 22nd ??
  I am not concerned and I am on the West Coast
  by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 7:48:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:48:56 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:48:56 PM
• @Ralph Unger : it does not print the link, but it links correctly. don't worry.
  by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 7:48:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:48:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:48:54 PM
• @Ralph Unger - yeah, we've all seen that cutaway. I guess there just isn't publicly available info out there which we can pour over to try to figure out how that water ended up pooled in the turbine hall...
  by Joshua Diamond at 3/27/2011 7:48:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:48:44 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:48:44 PM
• Here is the article about the reactordesign. www.beyondnuclear.org
  by Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 7:48:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:48:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:48:34 PM
• @Patrick Kelley So if it all blew up all over china and korea than it would have no affect on the usa?
  by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 7:48:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:48:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:48:27 PM
• @Patrick Kelley I agree. The US isn't in any danger. I just remember someone last night being interested in the reading I got on my geiger, so I figured since it was slow, I'd do another update on it.
  by Natalie at 3/27/2011 7:48:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:48:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:48:24 PM
• @Patrick Kelley We don't know about the plutonium.
  by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 7:48:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:48:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:48:18 PM
• @Patrick Kelley Well said. Thanks.
  by es at 3/27/2011 7:48:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:48:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:48:07 PM
• much that it runs the third largest economy in the world into the ground and effects the world economy in the process.
  by elise at 3/27/2011 7:48:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:48:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:48:04 PM
• @Patrick Kelley should be pinned.
  by gabe at 3/27/2011 7:47:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:47:46 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:47:46 PM
• @Patrick Kelley I wish what you just said could be pinned up top.
  by Grizzly at 3/27/2011 7:47:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:47:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:47:20 PM
• @canadian: the only fear i have in the us is thAt this situation, created by tepco hurts japan so
  by elise at 3/27/2011 7:46:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:46:38 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:46:38 PM
• If you are here because you are worried about your safety in the USA then there is no reason to be here. I'm here because I'm worried about Japan, our overall world environment, and the ocean. The US is so far away, it's really unimaginable even with a high atmosphere event like chernobyl that the US would be in any danger.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 7:46:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:46:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:46:28 PM
• Not printing the link on this page...
  by Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 7:46:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:46:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:46:20 PM
• And again.. www.beyondnuclear.org
  by Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 7:46:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:46:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:46:01 PM
• www.ansn-jp.org try this people. I am finding this pretty comprehensive
  by Treiagonaut at 3/27/2011 7:45:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:45:48 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:45:48 PM

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• I'll try again lol. www.beyondnuclear.org
  by Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 7:45:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:45:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:45:16 PM
• Thank you for the reassurances, logic tells me you are all right, which is why we have discussed it (he has similar hesitations and he works @ a nuclear plant) and have come to the conclusion he should still go. It is the unknown that hangs over this that raises some emotional doubts I suppose.
  by Canadian at 3/27/2011 7:44:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:44:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:44:39 PM
• @Ralph Unger -- none of these diagrams really show all of the detail. They are all aimed at laypeople, and are good for the broad strokes -- but omit the details. And it is in the details that the problems usually lay. So far, the best I have found is the one at en.wikipedia.org -- but that too is pretty truncated, in that it does not extend to the turbine room...
  by Joshua Diamond at 3/27/2011 7:43:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:43:48 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:43:48 PM
• Laughing... I made it to the second paragraph of that, Ralph.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:43:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:43:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:43:18 PM
• There are no problems in the US because of this.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 7:42:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:42:56 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:42:56 PM
• @Canadian I wouldn't worry at all. 9cpm is really low. You'd have more of a worry of a sunburn. @VeenOui, I'm comparing it to normal cpm's that background radiation gives you. I never tried the Geiger out before this happened. (I was recently informed that we had one.) But yea, I would think so too. Just because of the testings near here.
  by Natalie at 3/27/2011 7:42:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:42:48 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:42:48 PM
• @Andy the unknown I think, logically I know that there is no danger right now, not knowing the true potential of what MIGHT happen makes me hesitant.
  by Canadian at 3/27/2011 7:42:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:42:26 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:42:26 PM
• re-post: Many pics of actual reactor parts. For your delectation :) www.facebook.com!/pages/nuke-roadie/186860624662864?sk=photos
  by marie rich at 3/27/2011 7:42:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:42:14 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:42:14 PM
• Mods to the mark 1 www.gereports.com
  by Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 7:42:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:42:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:42:04 PM
• @veenOui @canadian CPM rates of 100 or more would cause some concern. (very little concern I might add)
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 7:41:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:41:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:41:54 PM
• @James Ward Yea, i thought it showed the brunt force really harsh.kept coming and coming
  by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 7:41:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:41:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:41:40 PM
• @Canadian Why? What are your concerns?
  by Andy at 3/27/2011 7:41:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:41:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:41:24 PM
• I am so grateful to so many of you who post with an intelligence and concern that is lacking elsewhere. The information and questions are so valuable. Thank you .
  by Barbara at 3/27/2011 7:41:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:41:03 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:41:03 PM
• Expansion joints look like the weak spot for a 9.0 quake.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:40:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:40:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:40:51 PM
• @VeenOui That was an awesome video...the power of the tsunami was just incredible.
  by James Ward at 3/27/2011 7:40:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:40:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:40:28 PM
• @Natalie Are you in LV ? I saw the article that NV has identified particles from Fukushima but minute......compared to what ? I would think, that NV has a much higher SAFE Lvl than other states due to Nuclear testing as is ?
  by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 7:40:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:40:17 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:40:17 PM
• @Ralph Really good.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:39:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:39:47 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:39:47 PM
• @marie rich : Thanks Marie. Not a lot been happening then (or that's been reported by TEPCO at least). Prompted one thought though... if they can't even get close enough to R2 for measuring the radiation, they've surely got a snowball in hell's chance of getting close enough to sort out the cause. Hard to believe the thing will automagically get better all by itself either (except after a few thousand years maybe).
  by Paul (UK) at 3/27/2011 7:39:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:39:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:39:34 PM
• @Natalie I read that this morning, my husband is supposed to leave for turbine training in Vegas next week, I'm doing my best to not be alarmist and ask him not to go :(
  by Canadian at 3/27/2011 7:39:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:39:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:39:33 PM
• Oh the brand new posting at the top of all things nuclear is good. "How Much Does Japan Know About the Status of its Reactors?"
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:38:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:38:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:38:36 PM
• 

  @Josh this? files.gereports.com

  by Ralph Unger via Files.gereports at 3/27/2011 7:38:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:38:12 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:38:12 PM
• Since there is very little news, Las Vegas is currently sitting at 8cpm by my measure.
  by Natalie at 3/27/2011 7:38:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:38:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:38:07 PM
• Here is a web page with 4 atmospheric dispersion models. www.weatheronline.co.uk
  by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 7:37:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:37:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:37:35 PM
• oops! heres the link. The 1957 WINDSCALE FIRE Lakestay UK "At 4.30pm yesterday it was discovered that some of the uranium cartidges in the centre of Pile 1 at Windscale, which was shut down at the time,for routine isolation of the uranium and for maintenance work, had become over-heated to the point of red heat. The combustion is being held. The staffs are now injecting water on it from above and the temperature has started to fall. Some oxidation of the uranium has occured.
  "The greater part of this has been returned by filters in the Windscale chimneys. A small amount has been distributed over the works site and in some areas works personnel, as a precautionary measure, have been instructed to stay under cover." sound familiar? www.lakestay.co.uk
  by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 7:36:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:36:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:36:39 PM
• Sorry....meant to post this :
  
  Japan's nuclear safety regulators expressed the view that “there is a continuous leakage” of radioactive substances.
  
  And, the Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), which runs the plant and is responsible for managing the crisis, indicated that “there is a breach in the reactor” at Unit 2.
  
  Japan's Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said, in a televised press conference in Tokyo, “a certain amount of radioactive materials has melted” at Unit 2 in the multi-reactor plant.
  www.thehindu.com
  by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 7:36:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:36:30 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:36:30 PM
• @Matsouko Definately
  by Jill in Sweden at 3/27/2011 7:36:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:36:14 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:36:14 PM
• @Future Isnow Come back soon
  by marie rich at 3/27/2011 7:35:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:35:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:35:40 PM
• @NHK if it was critical the whole time yes, but we are talking about critical-subcritical-critical-subcritical, they are managing to slow the process down, but I fear (and the molecular data backs this up) they can only slow it down so much. If the radiation get to high and they have to pull out, then we could have full critcallity and that will be very bad.
  
  I have no problems with the work Tepco is doing, I can't believe they have managed this long, but the longer it goes in this stage the worse it is getting.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 7:35:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:35:26 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:35:26 PM
• @Joshua The All Things Nuclear site had a pretty good one.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:35:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:35:22 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:35:22 PM
• @Ralph Unger I mention that before and it would explain low water in the pools as well
  by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 7:35:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:35:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:35:10 PM
• Since there is no News, i am sharing another Video that just crossed my Tweeds of the force from the Tsunami..for those interested.
  www.youtube.com
  by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 7:35:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:35:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:35:00 PM
• @Jill in Sweden : would have been a complete catastrophy for the neighbour, no ?
  by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 7:34:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:34:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:34:52 PM
• @radioguy I agree, misinformation and panic are the reasons why the rest of the world gets scared. Radiation is very heavy- it can't travel far on our planet in very large amounts that are deadly. The Pacific is huge an it is a buffer between the radiation and the U.S., even Alaska will have little impacts. The problem is people would rather talk about how bad it can get, drive up fears, drive up prices, and then say "oh, wait, we were wrong." It is unfortunate.
  by Grizzly at 3/27/2011 7:34:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:34:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:34:39 PM
• The gates may have failed. Whole article allthingsnuclear.org
  by Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 7:34:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:34:25 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:34:25 PM
• This isn't the first time we've failed to provide safe Nuclear Energy, however, I do hope its the last . . .
  by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 7:34:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:34:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:34:08 PM
• @Matsouko We would have found out the truth long time ago...
  by Jill in Sweden at 3/27/2011 7:33:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:33:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:33:53 PM
• @Ralph Unger -- thanks ralph. That seems to be a summary for the SFP. Any info on the RPV itself?
  by Joshua Diamond at 3/27/2011 7:33:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:33:49 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:33:49 PM
• 

  @Josh I found this. media.tumblr.com

  by Ralph Unger via Media.tumblr at 3/27/2011 7:32:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:32:44 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:32:44 PM
• @Patrick Kelley The report says uncontrolled melt through is 28 hrs.. So if it happened. Which it didn't.. It would have already.
  by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 7:32:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:32:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:32:42 PM
• @Grizzly I know we are a long way from seeing serious dispersal issues here in California, but even the perception of it can be devastating to an outdoor growing state. It was interesting to see that the German Bavarian election swung so hard to the green party a day after Merkel doubled the Chernobyl-set radiation cap on food. Perception is key here. That's why the information flow is being managed so tight to the vest.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:32:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:32:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:32:40 PM
• @Patrick Kelley -- what a wonderful recipe for shoddy work hidden behind secrecy.
  by Joshua Diamond at 3/27/2011 7:32:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:32:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:32:34 PM
• @joshua, you will never find plans for the exact reactors, they are a matter of national security and are never published.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 7:31:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:31:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:31:51 PM
• what would have happened if Japan was not an island and had a neighbour to the East ?
  by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 7:31:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:31:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:31:41 PM
• @elise I guess it is a testament to the poor state of engineering and science education. People don't even notice that that aren't getting a straight story because they don't even have the vocabulary to ask the right questions.
  by Joshua Diamond at 3/27/2011 7:31:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:31:02 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:31:02 PM
• @elise LOL
  by marie rich at 3/27/2011 7:30:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:30:11 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:30:11 PM

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• @Jill in Sweden I'll try to find a link
  by marie rich at 3/27/2011 7:30:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:30:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:30:01 PM
• Has anyone found a link to a P&ID [piping and intrumentation diagram] for any of these reactors, or even one similar to them?
  by Joshua Diamond at 3/27/2011 7:29:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:29:46 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:29:46 PM
• @joshua diamond: it is really saddening to see the broadcaster asking bill nye if they could repair a reactor breach, and his reply..no. it's as if they think if they only had home depot near by they could get some duct tape and great stuff and patch it right up.
  by elise at 3/27/2011 7:29:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:29:11 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:29:11 PM
• marie rich, I agree. I actually think it is of concern when officials say of no immediate risk (=there is of course a risk in the long term if this level of radiation continues) It is different when the Swedish Radioation Safety authority says ' the levels in Sweden are of absolutely no risk to health', which there isn't for now. That is why I wonder what the levels in Hawaii are?
  by Jill in Sweden at 3/27/2011 7:28:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:28:49 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:28:49 PM
• @Joshua Diamond oh, if it's worldwild, and if the mistake have happen in US too, so, it's not a mistake :(
  by Future Isnow at 3/27/2011 7:28:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:28:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:28:31 PM
• @Patrick Kelley I so agree. This a singular event. The workers were standing in nuclear soup- a petrie dish!
  by marie rich at 3/27/2011 7:28:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:28:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:28:10 PM
• @John all reports from JIAF are prefaced with (Estimated by JAIF), I think most of their information is gleaned from the media/press releases, someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
  by Canadian at 3/27/2011 7:27:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:27:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:27:54 PM
• @fitter The difference in the strength of the explosions could easily be due to either the structural modifications, maybe extra shielding, of the building to house R3 because of the MOX fuel, or simply that in a random mix of hydrogen and oxygen, R3 was closer to the optimal explosive mix.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:27:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:27:48 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:27:48 PM
• @marie rich -- yeah but the echo chamber here is rather obvious, and seems to foster some pretty unlikely theories...
  by Joshua Diamond at 3/27/2011 7:27:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:27:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:27:36 PM
• Since there is no News, i am sharing another Video that just crossed my Tweeds of the force from the Tsunami..for those interested.
  www.youtube.com
  by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 7:27:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:27:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:27:35 PM
• @radioguy any dispersal of radiation that even looks like any of those images will not have any major impact on most countries- this is a study on the Indian Point power plant, which I live 30 miles from, and how far out people would be impacted. Within 500 miles there will be serious consequences but outside of that there will be little effect- however, people will always take little impacts and turn them into life changing events. www.usatoday.com
  by Grizzly at 3/27/2011 7:27:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:27:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:27:20 PM
• bye all, keep on the good work, this place is far better than reuters (reuters , if you read me, Na ! [tongue out] )
  by Future Isnow at 3/27/2011 7:27:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:27:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:27:20 PM
• @Future Isnow -- sorry to hear that it is not just the US which has not managed to understand the metric system :(
  by Joshua Diamond at 3/27/2011 7:26:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:26:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:26:33 PM
• @salvador do you think the energy in the plume created a vacuum (to a point) and sucked the fuel rod pool water partialy out
  by fitter at 3/27/2011 7:26:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:26:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:26:33 PM
• @Joshua Diamond Which is why we are doing this, eh?
  by marie rich at 3/27/2011 7:26:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:26:32 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:26:32 PM
• @you (ouups, enter to fast)... that mean that 60 % of people will have a false information, despite every warnings. I'm angry
  by Future Isnow at 3/27/2011 7:25:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:25:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:25:51 PM
• @marie rich ...but sadly it is clear that none of the lay news outlets have the technical expertise to ask the right questions, or even know when they don't understand something. Whereas the technical outlets are all associated in one way or another with the nuclear industry, and thus mostly seem to minimise the problem.
  by Joshua Diamond at 3/27/2011 7:25:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:25:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:25:39 PM
• @Charlie 1 year at least in pools for the fuel rods to cool according to Wiki before they can go into "dry casks"
  by Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 7:25:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:25:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:25:28 PM
• sorry, I need to leave, our national french network have not corrected their mistake on micro and millisiverts... that n
  by Future Isnow at 3/27/2011 7:24:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:24:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:24:51 PM
• @Paul (UK) Hi, paul this link will give best update english.kyodonews.jp
  by marie rich at 3/27/2011 7:23:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:23:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:23:41 PM
• @radioguy Thanks, sorry was just watching another Tsunami video.they keep coming out.
  by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 7:23:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:23:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:23:40 PM
• @John Ouch ! that is a damn good question !
  by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 7:23:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:23:21 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:23:21 PM
• @HNK listener, I have looked at this before, but I am not a nuclear engineer, I just have a breadth of knowledge on molecular chemistry, they overlap, but do not coincide. The impossible is happening, we can't rule anything out, including things like "new nuclides" Essentially we are taking a bowl of the most volitile stuff in the universe and mixing it with all kinds of other stuff. This is like one huge science experiment. We have an idea of what happens in nuclear criticallity, but due to the dangerous levels of radiation we have not studied these kinds of chemical reactions in any kind of depth.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 7:22:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:22:47 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:22:47 PM
• Why there are the same data about water level in all reactor cores in JAIF reports sience many days ? How is this possible ?
  by John at 3/27/2011 7:22:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:22:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:22:39 PM
• @Patrick Kelley if you were talking about people on north West, with since 12 days are in places which have been sown by every mesurement, japanese, US, etc, as too bad for health, yes, this also make me mad. Fot Tepco, what make me made is that is the POOREST workers who seem to be in the frontline, look back at kyodo news.. Just because they are contractant of third parties. Today, it's not the time to make judgment, but I hope we will one day be able to judge the CEO team, who send the poorest, to save their high gages.
  by Future Isnow at 3/27/2011 7:22:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:22:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:22:27 PM
• And that Is absolute pure hypothetical s**t.
  by Charlie at 3/27/2011 7:22:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:22:23 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:22:23 PM
• Hi all, been out all day, so well behind things here. Anyone know if the plant's been evacuated of workers? I just half-heard a BBC report saying something to that effect I believe (unless it was just re-churned old news - wouldn't be a first!). Great if someone could clarify please, to save me digging around?
  by Paul (UK) at 3/27/2011 7:22:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:22:11 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:22:11 PM
• @radioguy I think it was me. Plume going over my house (near Washington DC) in 36 hours, but much less strong than areas over Western US.
  by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 7:21:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:21:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:21:59 PM
• @salvador me also, something is not right with that "explosion" in my opion. excuse my spelling but i keep hiitng wrong key and it send the comment
  by fitter at 3/27/2011 7:21:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:21:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:21:51 PM
• "no immediate threat" = you won't die today, but in a month. "stabilized" = no explosions or fires
  by marie rich at 3/27/2011 7:21:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:21:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:21:27 PM
• Does anyone know how many years into cool down these spent rods were and how long a rod of new fuel takes to become spent because there are UNspent rods in one pool and the others could take up to 30 years to cool. That's a hell of a lot of volunteers spraying a hell of a lot of water!!
  by Charlie at 3/27/2011 7:20:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:20:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:20:27 PM
• @fitter [Opinion] Those questions are important, but the problem is that no one will answer them for us. A situation that p****s me of.
  by Salvador at 3/27/2011 7:19:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:19:56 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:19:56 PM
• Bellum "The current events are easily the largest nuclear disaster since Chernobyl, itself the largest nuclear disaster in history. It is currently, I think, less hazardous than the Windscale fire of 1957 (yeah, I know you’ve never heard of it), which led to the release of much more radiation than is currently happening and, as far as I can tell baring a further revelation, going to happen." bellum.stanfordreview.org
  by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 7:19:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:19:47 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:19:47 PM
• Oh and good morning/afternoon/everning everyone. Still working on catching up on the convo here since there is nothing "new" elsewhere really.
  by Canadian at 3/27/2011 7:18:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:18:48 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:18:48 PM
• Whoever posted this link ( db.eurad.uni-koeln.de ) earlier, those dispersal patterns gifs are amazing and eerie and scary and worth the time to peruse.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:18:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:18:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:18:18 PM
• Bellum "My earlier rosy prediction about the level of the disaster was based on the belief that they could get the backup systems to circulate water online relatively quickly, but this was not the case. The tsunami did not just damage the backup generators, but flooded the entire area where all the backup equipment was located, making it even more difficult to set up." bellum.stanfordreview.org
  by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 7:18:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:18:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:18:09 PM
• @Patrick, don't apologize for stating how you feel, I swear every single time I hear the words "no immediate health risk" I want to reach through the computer/tv and shake some sense into whoever said it.
  by Canadian at 3/27/2011 7:17:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:17:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:17:59 PM
• @Patrick You're not alone with that emotion
  by Charlie at 3/27/2011 7:17:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:17:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:17:16 PM
• @salvador (opion) posed the same question eairlier, look at the height of the plume from #3 and the apparent energy... size of what was still falling back to earth... plume appeared 3 times higher than the towers which are twice the height of the buildings... of couse this is only estimate going off vidieo... any experts out their that can shed light on why #3 went up with such a force.. also building #1 blew out sideways more it looks like from the videio
  by fitter at 3/27/2011 7:17:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:17:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:17:10 PM
• @NHK listener I'll take a look.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 7:17:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:17:05 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:17:05 PM
• I apologize if I'm being abrupt and callous, the fact that they haven't evacuated these people is really making me "red in the face mad"
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 7:16:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:16:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:16:27 PM
• @Patrick Kelley Have you read this..BWR REACTOR VESSEL BOTTOM HEAD FAILURE MODES www.osti.gov
  by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 7:15:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:15:44 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:15:44 PM
• Bellum A Project of The Stanford Review. The Yamato Spirit: Japanese Engineers Volunteering to Fight Meltdown (UPDATED) March 15th, 2011 "TEPCO is reportedly refusing to accept volunteers under the age of 50, or who have small children as dependents. The reason for this is that the risk of developing cancer as a result of this kind of work is extremely high. We cannot confirm these rumors, but we encourage major media with resources on the ground to verify this if they can." bellum.stanfordreview.org
  by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 7:15:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:15:25 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:15:25 PM
• @Veen yes, to endless speculation.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:14:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:14:55 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:14:55 PM
• @Patrick Kelley -->"The scary thing here, is the most informed nuclear scientist has no idea, because this has never happened before." this is the best resume that can been done today.
  by Future Isnow at 3/27/2011 7:14:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:14:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:14:34 PM

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• Morning / Noon everyone,......seems like there is no news since i passed out ?..
  Just checked online and they revised the 10 Mil to 100.000 over limit ?
  by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 7:13:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:13:21 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:13:21 PM
• @future agreed, a standard would help a lot.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 7:13:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:13:03 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:13:03 PM
• @future I've taken that suggestion to heart myself. I wish the written press would.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:12:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:12:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:12:53 PM
• @all I agree that Tepco doesn't have a real clue what is going on in the reactor, nor does anyone. Everytime (2 times I know of) that Corium has been produced they were reacting with different materials (sand/zirconium/iron,etc.) The fact is no one has any idea what this will do, how this will react, or even if the corium mass is in critticallity or chugging.
  
  The scary thing here, is the most informed nuclear scientist has no idea, because this has never happened before.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 7:12:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:12:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:12:20 PM
• Iodine will give you thyroid cancer and plutonium decays to uranium which is alpha again and is dangerous when inhaled.
  by Charlie at 3/27/2011 7:11:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:11:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:11:04 PM
• @Salvador The dry well holds pressure. So I think the explosion was external of the dry well
  www.nisa.meti.go.jp
  by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 7:10:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:10:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:10:40 PM
• @timme 10 to the 8th
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:10:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:10:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:10:36 PM
• @Patrick Kelley My point was at least to help prevent BIG mistakes on siverts, as I have seen in France, and Japan . micro is not milli... so why not use uSv for Micro . the ulaw character is not something everyone can do easily on a computer. why not just use u ?
  by Future Isnow at 3/27/2011 7:10:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:10:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:10:34 PM
• @timme Thanks for the link to that. So, the camera is able to "withstand irradiation dose up to 2 x 108 RAD without sacrificing video quality." Good enough for this work?
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:10:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:10:05 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:10:05 PM
• @Patrick Kelley oh, I really agree on that... they are build on an average damage for the body . some microsieverts will spare your brain, but will kill your gonades (bollocks..) But if it's iodin or plutonium, it don't show it really, it don't show the risk
  by Future Isnow at 3/27/2011 7:08:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:08:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:08:42 PM
• quick fact-
  Sievert is "absorbed dose" and is based on the particles being close to you (not on or in)
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 7:08:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:08:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:08:33 PM
• I believe that 30 gm/liter was contradicted credibly a few days afterward. I can't recall the new figure though.
  by Sky at 3/27/2011 7:08:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:08:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:08:10 PM
• @radioguy thank you, I know, but not for the 26th
  by Jill in Sweden at 3/27/2011 7:07:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:07:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:07:43 PM
• @Highlander Grimstons comment is a clever one. It gives no specifics, no quantities and really amounts to how longs a bit of string a sfar as info goes.
  by Charlie at 3/27/2011 7:07:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:07:30 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:07:30 PM
• Question : As a follower of this site & previous Reuters - mentioned saltwater evaporation rate as leaving 30 grams per liter , how deep aprox. might the salt residue be on the interior components ??
  by Salu at 3/27/2011 7:07:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:07:03 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:07:03 PM
• @radioguy: aren't there cams that don't fry: www.rosys.com
  by timme at 3/27/2011 7:06:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:06:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:06:52 PM
• @Patrick Kelley - thank you.
  by highlander at 3/27/2011 7:06:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:06:30 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:06:30 PM
• @future siervets is a very dangerous way to catalog radiation.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 7:06:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:06:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:06:08 PM
• @George Gibb - Thanks, I have been following the news stories closely, that's why his statement didn't compute imho. I wondered if I was missing something. His message was very much one of reassurance, broadcast on the BBC News channel. Even the newsreader seemed relieved.
  by highlander at 3/27/2011 7:06:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:06:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:06:00 PM
• @Jill usually there's an English PDF linked at the bottom.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:05:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:05:48 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:05:48 PM
• @Patrick Kelley if you say plutonium or iodin, it's better than pu294 or others thing. I would like also that everyone use uSV for microsiverts, and not mSv which is the same than mSv, but for micro or milli. In fact, these have gave us 2 big mistakes, publicly, live, in NHK. And may be in Tepco. The best we can do for people to understand, the better they will trust the nuclear industry. For now, that industry, and all the "Agencies for safety", blablabla use terms and scales and symbols which CAN't be understood by people. for their safety ? or for their "ignorance"?
  by Future Isnow at 3/27/2011 7:05:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:05:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:05:20 PM
• correction don't say no concern - what are the values?
  by Jill in Sweden at 3/27/2011 7:05:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:05:03 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:05:03 PM
• Thanks. What about the " not of IMMEDIATE concern for health" - they don
  by Jill in Sweden at 3/27/2011 7:04:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:04:23 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:04:23 PM
• Correction for the last link: imgur.com
  by Salvador at 3/27/2011 7:04:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:04:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:04:18 PM
• If we are just discussing half baked conspiracy theories, how about this one: No. 3 reactor is in fact not only "damaged", but it's totally wasted. The explosion we saw was an indication of very swift pressure relief, not an hydrogen detonation like No. 1 reactor. The containment and the Reactor Pressure Vessel have both exploded. For optical confirmation, look at www.youtube.com (4:50 minutes) and www.youtube.com (00:09 minutes), both times at the left side of the picture, than compare the round structure from the videos with this i.imgur.com 9VUIo.jpg (delete the space before the "9"!). So, now my theory is out there. It`s likely to be hogwash, becasue the reactor vessel must be located in the midst of the building and the height isn't on one level with the SFP. But hey, the building exploded, after all. *Flame away*
  by Salvador at 3/27/2011 7:03:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:03:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:03:31 PM
• @Jill in Sweden : "the levels indicate a very high emission near to the assumptions we made."
  by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 7:02:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:02:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:02:41 PM
• @Jill: The second sentence means 'but they imply a significant amount of emissions in the order of magnitude we reported'.. i.e. they're saying based on the low but measurable amount measured in Hawaii/California Fukushima must have emitted a lot of fallout.
  by sims at 3/27/2011 7:02:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:02:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:02:28 PM
• @kb: i agree. dean described it as being outside a three ring circus tent trying to figure it, they are just closest to the tent, still outside.
  by elise at 3/27/2011 7:02:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:02:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:02:16 PM
• Musing: I wonder if TEPCO is up-to-date enough to have given detailed plans of the plant to some of those genius 3D modelers so they can make models to move a robot blind.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:01:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:01:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:01:20 PM
• Can someone explain this info from zmag based on CTBTO data March 26? They write:"Die Jod-131 Werte, die in Kalifornien und auf Hawaii gemessen wurden, sind nicht unmittelbar gesundheitsrelevant. Sie legen aber eine beträchtliche Emission in der von uns berichteten Größenordnung nahe." As I understand it the I-131 levels in Cal and Hawaii are not of immediate concern for health. But the second sectence seem to say that they are close to it based on their estimations of the emissions? (Please if someone can translate, I don't quite get it) Does anyone know the actual values for Hawaii?
  by Jill in Sweden at 3/27/2011 7:00:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:00:32 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:00:32 PM
• @highlander this was true during the first few days of decay, the decay rates are very, very slow now (almost identical) you won't see huge decay rates on the isotopes that have long half-lifes. Everyone is focusing on I-131 (half life ~8 days) and the really bad stuff is the stuff that won't decay for centuries.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 7:00:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:00:06 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:00:06 PM
• @highlander read the pinned news stories for today
  by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 6:59:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:59:19 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:59:19 PM
• @Patrick Kelley I agree. And many of these processes are under conditions not fully known (pressure, temps, exact chemical mix inside the reactors and/or PCV), because of instrumentation malfunctions. It's a guessing game and I guess it's the same for Tepco people.
  by vasra at 3/27/2011 6:58:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:58:44 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:58:44 PM
• @kb We know they have no eyes in the plant at this time. That's even the issue with robotics. How do you see when the camera chips fry instantly?
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 6:58:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:58:30 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:58:30 PM
• question.. If the water in the cooling pools cooked off and then was sprayed...Rinse repeat rinse repeat. The fuel being exposed to air would be like a sparkler of sorts. Wouldn't that make the water contamination/radiation level skyrocket due to the added particulate from burning and rinsing?
  
  Answer
  According to the book someone posted here yesterday, the answer is a qualified yes. Fuel pellets form a roughly stable 0 mass transfer boundary across the cladding even during operation. There can be pinholes in the cladding which normally are of no concern. But, if the temperature of the pellet is changed rapidly, core water temp changes rapidly, and/or the pressure profile changes across the cladding then, core water flows into the pellet, then comes back out of the pellet carrying the dissolved fission products like cesium, iodine and strontium. Because of this, there is normally a spike in core water radioactivity when the reactor is shut down.
  by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 6:57:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:57:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:57:51 PM
• @Future IsnowYes, I saw those reports. I wondered how realistic this actually is here.
  by es at 3/27/2011 6:57:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:57:49 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:57:49 PM
• @futureisnow without a pretty good understand of material chemistry all of this information is useless to the general population. The constant switch of radiation units (why are we measuring Sieverts?!?!) and the lack of explaining methods behind results, coupled with bad reporting, this is becoming quite a mess for the general public to follow anything.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 6:57:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:57:26 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:57:26 PM
• I believe Tepco truly does not know what's going on, as opposed to them knowing the truth but choosing to withhold information and/or lie.
  by kb at 3/27/2011 6:56:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:56:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:56:51 PM
• @kb It would not explain the 1st test results (10hr delay, huge amounts of I-134, not possible. Has to be a measurement or approximation error). As for chugging, I'm not so up-to-speed on the specifics so I can't comment.
  by vasra at 3/27/2011 6:56:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:56:46 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:56:46 PM
• @es liquid metal cooling have been suggested by a Ukrainian team of scientist, they think to tin . And they have the experience of what must not be done. check wikipedia, you will found that the idea was submitted on 17 march officially to japan's government
  by Future Isnow at 3/27/2011 6:56:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:56:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:56:24 PM
• BBC TV News frequently features Malcolm Grimston of Chatham House (you can Google his credentials) as a guest "nuclear expert" in their coverage of the situation. He mentioned tonight that every day that goes by sees a reduced risk of the situation worsening due to the fact that the nuclear fuel is decaying. Being that this is therefore what the UK public at large is being led to believe, can anyone here comment on his assertion?
  by highlander at 3/27/2011 6:56:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:56:19 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:56:19 PM
• @kb I saw a speculation that the rumored crack might be just above the water line that are able to achieve. Below it leaks steam. Above it leaks contaminated water.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 6:56:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:56:13 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:56:13 PM
• @kb sure could.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 6:54:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:54:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:54:41 PM
• @Patrick Kelley I just add something : With all that white paper around, should it be difficult for them to NAME them for ordinary people ? ok, we all have internet here, but how many didn't have it ? when a media show this on tv, how many can undertand it ??
  by Future Isnow at 3/27/2011 6:54:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:54:32 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:54:32 PM
• Could chugging explain the contradictory results? That criticality is reached, radioactive isotopes released only for criticality to cease?
  by kb at 3/27/2011 6:54:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:54:22 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:54:22 PM

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• @Sky That CERN article is interesting and suggests liquid metal cooling might be best in this instance. Can any experts comment?
  by es at 3/27/2011 6:54:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:54:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:54:20 PM
• @NHK Good point
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 6:53:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:53:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:53:54 PM
• This conversation does not seem very productive
  by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 6:53:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:53:21 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:53:21 PM
• It seems TEPCO's lies are lies of omission.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 6:52:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:52:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:52:53 PM
• @Patrick Yes you have, and yes they are.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 6:52:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:52:15 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:52:15 PM
• @kb www.nisa.meti.go.jp I've been saying this for days... Cl68 only possible with fission. (28min half-life) IMHO Tepco is as bad as the conspiracy theorist sites.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 6:50:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:50:56 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:50:56 PM
• @Sky the report you post is from the 16 of mars. About BWR and the so said better security of the others reactors, french and us mostly, we can at least see one thing they NEVER talk about: spent fuel rods, without ANY containment vessel. just direct to air... I'm not surprised they don't talk too much about it...
  by Future Isnow at 3/27/2011 6:50:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:50:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:50:36 PM
• @kb Or, they realized the high reading was caused by a tiny particulate, very heavr, and siphoned off the water to get a read without it, then said "That's a truer reading." Then they told testing agencies to soil test for plutonium.
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 6:49:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:49:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:49:57 PM
• @kb I think the story about hot spots, time delays in analysis and results makes sense. It probably was a mistaken results. Or then it's really intricate and clever lying (unlikely, but cannot be completely ruled out).
  by vasra at 3/27/2011 6:49:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:49:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:49:54 PM
• @Matsuoko What chlorine? Sorry, I've been away for a couple of hours.
  by kb at 3/27/2011 6:49:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:49:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:49:00 PM
• Fairly small protest in Chiyoda-ku against Tepco : www.demotix.com
  by vasra at 3/27/2011 6:48:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:48:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:48:39 PM
• @Matsuoko God knows, but if they really didn't want to disclose information, they could've refrained from reporting the original, worrying results.
  by kb at 3/27/2011 6:47:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:47:50 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:47:50 PM
• @kb : and what about the chlorine ?
  by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 6:47:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:47:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:47:41 PM
• Although the CERN author plainly has a mission to promote nuclear energy by describing other reactor designs. I'm not real interested in the other reactor designs but only in how these BWRs have failed.
  by Sky at 3/27/2011 6:44:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:44:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:44:52 PM
• @kb : they did not lie ?
  by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 6:44:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:44:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:44:40 PM
• @Dom Very interesting. Thanks for that.
  by es at 3/27/2011 6:44:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:44:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:44:28 PM
• @sims Exactly. That's why it may be true that there was an error with the original sample/measurement.
  by kb at 3/27/2011 6:44:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:44:14 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:44:14 PM
• @Dom Which is why "very low" radiation readings miss the point. There may be a very low probability of ingesting a microparticle, but if you are unlucky enough to do so, the consequences are just as bad as if the readings were high.
  by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 6:44:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:44:13 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:44:13 PM
• Tepco, I don't buy it.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 6:43:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:43:45 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:43:45 PM
• Yeah, if the enormous quantities of I-134 were supposed to have been there 10h after the original sample was taken, it just doesn't make sense. For such quantities of I-134 to be there 10h after extraction, the sample would have had to be almost pure I-134.
  by sims at 3/27/2011 6:43:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:43:32 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:43:32 PM
• @Patrick Kelley Not sure what your point was, but you're welcome =)
  by kb at 3/27/2011 6:43:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:43:19 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:43:19 PM
• @kb exactly, thank you for proving my point.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 6:42:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:42:02 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:42:02 PM
• @Dom Great explanation and it's true on a general level (hot spots happen in micro-particle contamination). We just don't know for sure, if this was the case with Tepcos reactor 2 turbine hall water measurements. We have to take their word for it.
  by vasra at 3/27/2011 6:41:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:41:48 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:41:48 PM
• The CERN slides posted by Tenzing half an hour ago, although dated March 16th, are extremely interesting in describing what likely happened and correlating structures seen in photographs with understanding of what occurs within the reactors after scramming. indico.cern.ch
  by Sky at 3/27/2011 6:41:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:41:45 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:41:45 PM
• @all, I'm not here to argue. Let's look at it this way, at the level of radiation they could not send anyone in to "collect a sample" therefor it would be prudent of us to believe that they used water taken from the puddle the first time someone was in there. Until I see some kind of way they got in there to take a new sample, I don't buy it.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 6:41:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:41:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:41:31 PM
• Off Topic but I an bringing this Reuters report to your notice . Without their initial blog this valuable group may not have formed . Two Reuters TV journalists missing in Syria www.reuQuick Answer - radiation is so high in ers.com
  by elainekirk edited by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 6:40:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:40:13 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:40:13 PM
• @Patrick Kelley My source is Tepco: www.tepco.co.jp
  
  Old measurement: 10 hours after sample was taken, enormous quantities of I-134.
  New measurement: 1 hours and 50 minutes after sample was taken, no I-134.
  by kb at 3/27/2011 6:40:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:40:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:40:10 PM
• This is a comment posted by a Japan Today reader. I do not have the knowledge to assess its plausibility but here it goes: "Couple of words of experience: I think 10M measurement was true. But it did not represent level of radioactivity of all water there. They have to realize, that content of radioactive water is not homogeneus. It may be additional proof that at least part of fuel rods got melted and fuel from them went outside of fuel rods and went to water inside of reactor. It's not possible to tell for sure wich way this microparticle of fuel found it's way out of containment vessel - or through vents together with the steam during reactors venting, or through some cracks in parts of containment vessel, but most probably this microparticle of nuclear fuel came out of containment vessel. Of course, it was only the first microparticle found - they will find a lot more. At Chernobyl times these microparticles were called "hot points". Once, soon after Chernobyl explosion, somebody have brought pack of cherries to Kiev Institute of Nuclear Physics to check radioactivity and found out, that it's crasy radioactive. They have taken it to lab, and divided pack in to halves. One half was radioactive, another half - clean. Then they divided dirty half in to quarters with the same result: one part clean, another - dirty. They continued this procedure until one cherry dirty left - all the rest of cherries were clean. Then they started to divide this dirty cherry in pieces and found out, that microscopic particle of nuclear fuel, just of size of speck of dust, was sitting at point where cherry was connected to petiole. I quess, 10M radiactivity readings was made close to similar "hot point". (sorry it's so long, and if irrelevant).
  by Dom at 3/27/2011 6:39:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:39:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:39:57 PM
• @Patrick Kelley You are referring to the new test results? The delay between sampling & measurement in the new results was roughly 2 hr (sample 20:40, analysis 22:30)
  by vasra at 3/27/2011 6:39:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:39:23 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:39:23 PM
• @kb where is your source, I've read it was about an hour later they tested it
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 6:38:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:38:21 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:38:21 PM
• As I mentioned before, the original analysis where enormous quantities of I-134 were found was made 10 hours after the sample was taken. That decreases the trustworthiness of that sample (which is why a new one was taken).
  by kb at 3/27/2011 6:37:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:37:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:37:53 PM
• @kb That's exactly what I tried to write. New report showed "mistaken" in the column for the old measurement for I-134. They are claiming there was none.
  by vasra at 3/27/2011 6:37:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:37:49 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:37:49 PM
• Yeah IIRC the half life of the radioactive Iodine is 55 minutes so in 3 hours 40 minutes the amount of Iodine would have measured around 600,000
  by ids at 3/27/2011 6:37:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:37:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:37:31 PM
• @kb I-134 has a half life of about an hour, if you test for it 5 hours later, you can find almost no trace.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 6:37:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:37:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:37:04 PM
• 22nd 06:30 1.19E+00
  23rd 08:50 5.90E+00
  24th 10:25 4.20E+00
  25th 08:30 5.00E+01
  26th 08:20 3.00E+01
  26th 14:30 7.40E+01
  by vasra at 3/27/2011 6:36:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:36:55 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:36:55 PM
• According to Tepco, the level of I-131 in the southern discharge water canal during past days:
  by vasra at 3/27/2011 6:36:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:36:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:36:53 PM
• @vasra Not true! New samples and new analyses were made, and I-134 was not found. However, the new results found higher amounts of Cs-137. I'm not sure they are falsefying reports to keep the public from panicking.
  by kb at 3/27/2011 6:36:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:36:17 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:36:17 PM
• @radioguy, another thing to keep in mind is Chlorine (Cl) can become irradiated as well, meaning that gamma radiation is turning some of the salt water into an additional radioactive substance (although with a very short half-life, {which also means far more radioactive})
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 6:36:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:36:14 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:36:14 PM
• @radioguy [bad humour] oh, they just made another error.. they were talking of siverts, no millisiverts.... Infortunately it may be true
  by Future Isnow at 3/27/2011 6:35:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:35:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:35:33 PM
• Interesting Info I've run across re ocean issue: en.rian.ru As well as what's coming up in my home state, this is a weird one: www.huliq.com
  by Debra Beckham at 3/27/2011 6:35:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:35:06 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:35:06 PM
• @radioguy Water dapmens radioactivity a lot esp. in spent fuel pools when the fuel is not in fissive state. That is in fact one of the reasons (in addition to water circulation cooling) for why the fuel rods are under water.
  by vasra at 3/27/2011 6:34:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:34:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:34:35 PM
• @ids kinda. The testing times of the same sample were hours apart, I believe they are both right, it's just that they tested it later and the nuclides had broken down substantially .
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 6:33:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:33:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:33:42 PM
• RE: that Kyodo article just below. "Radioactivity at the surface of the puddle at the No. 3 unit was 400 millisieverts per hour as of Thursday" How much does water depth dampen the radioactivity? How different would surface readings be from bottom readings hear the heavier atoms?
  by radioguy at 3/27/2011 6:33:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:33:25 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:33:25 PM
• @Sky I would also add that the media in most countries is not always free to publish what they know without negative consequences.
  by James Ward at 3/27/2011 6:33:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:33:22 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:33:22 PM
• @ids Yes, it's according to Tepcos press releases. Believe if you want. Suddenly all the Iodie-134 levels have gone to "unknown", because they were "not credible". They would have confirmed active ongoing fission if they had been present in the quantity as per the original report.
  by vasra at 3/27/2011 6:33:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:33:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:33:18 PM

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