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@Ralph Unger Agreed on that.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 12:47:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:47:01 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:47:01 PM
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@Ralph Unger 9-day old article, weasels around the point of ingestion and inhalation of particles - of course point radiation of microsieverts is not an issue in US, but is irrelevant from a health standpoint
by Bobby1 at 3/28/2011 12:46:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:46:57 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:46:57 PM
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look at about 1 inch in and just below midline of photo, where the plant is
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 12:46:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:46:44 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:46:44 PM
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@Jojo One of my favorite movies! It makes my point about people who think they are smart vs people who are not smart (Nancy Grace) .
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 12:46:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:46:39 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:46:39 PM
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Here's a real scary part of even their revised numbers:
www.tepco.co.jp This link is sorted in element number order. Are they saying there are no isotopes detected above 140...or are we missing page 2?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 12:46:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:46:16 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:46:16 PM
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@marie rich try to find it. what am isupposed to see?
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 12:45:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:45:56 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:45:56 PM
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@Matsuoka Could you look at this for me? link
www.youtube.com @minute 5:23 and @7:19/7:20
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 12:43:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:43:58 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:43:58 PM
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@Ralph Unger Inigo Montoya would say "Inconceivable? I do not think it means would you think it means."
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 12:43:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:43:48 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:43:48 PM
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@Dennis Tucker Jr: The Japan Atomic Energy Agency and the Japan Chemical Analysis Center are also testing soil samples taken from the area of the nuclear plant.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 12:43:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:43:06 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:43:06 PM
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"Vetter notes that sensitive monitoring equipment in the U.S. may in fact detect fallout from Japan, but the levels will be negligible from a human health standpoint. "It's inconceivable that we would have health effects in this country as a result of this accident," he says."
www.scientificamerican.comby Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 12:42:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:42:41 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:42:41 PM
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@Pedro Jesus : Greenpeace is around the area. they made some testings and up to now they confirmed tepco's readings.
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 12:42:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:42:18 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:42:18 PM
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by gabe at 3/28/2011 12:41:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:41:25 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:41:25 PM
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@Pedro Jesus Yeah, I agree. they would've been looking already. Stall tactic undoubtedly but we'll see what the "new" results are when they report them.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/28/2011 12:38:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:38:49 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:38:49 PM
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by elise at 3/28/2011 12:37:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:37:54 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:37:54 PM
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@Dennis Tucker Jr I can't confirm but I do recollect Green Peace having something to do with it. But the company who's testing the soil in and around the nuclear plant is independent. Anyway, Pu levels have been monitored since day 1 of this crisis and no alarms have sounded yet. The soil tests are a lot more reliable though.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 12:37:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:37:32 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:37:32 PM
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by marie rich at 3/28/2011 12:37:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:37:30 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:37:30 PM
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Looking at the old data I see that the highest release so far occurred on march 13th, That release has already passed over the US.
www.tepco.co.jpby Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 12:37:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:37:09 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:37:09 PM
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@VeenOui Would you look at something with your keen eye? Check out 21Mar (5:00hr.) @minute 5:23, and 24Mar (1900hr./5:00hr) @ minute 7:19?/7:21, please?
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 12:37:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:37:09 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:37:09 PM
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Imgs.xkcd at 3/28/2011 12:36:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:36:43 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:36:43 PM
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@Hank just look at the bq/kg from the press release. I134 had 10e9, everything else had 10e7
by Sims at 3/28/2011 12:36:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:36:25 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:36:25 PM
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@Sims - They based it on comparing levels of isotopes in the water of reactors 2 and 3.
arstechnica.comby Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 12:36:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:36:15 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:36:15 PM
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Last earthquake update - it was 6.1M
by Korwus at 3/28/2011 12:35:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:35:37 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:35:37 PM
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@Pedro Jesus I would hope and think that int'l communities are not waiting 2-3 days for test results of the most toxic substance inside that place. Greenpeace make any mention of them testing for it?
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/28/2011 12:35:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:35:17 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:35:17 PM
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I am using Chernobyl as a reference, and it is much closer to the US then Japan.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 12:34:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:34:56 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:34:56 PM
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@Sims - Where do you get the 95%?
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 12:34:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:34:49 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:34:49 PM
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@Ralph Unger "We are OK here in the US no matter what happens" - no evidence this is true - how about "we don't know"?
by Bobby1 at 3/28/2011 12:34:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:34:19 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:34:19 PM
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@Dennis Tucker Jr TEPCO says test results will be available in the next couple of days. So give it 2 or 3 days before they are made available.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 12:34:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:34:09 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:34:09 PM
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@Hank think the guy must have mixed it up a bit. The I-134 made up >95% of the activity in the old data, no way removing it would just reduce dosage by 25%.
by Sims at 3/28/2011 12:34:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:34:06 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:34:06 PM
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@alblee Seems this version is limited and any major deviation from the basic template means custom API work. I agree with what your saying about time stamps since often comments include items with little reference at all.
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 12:34:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:34:01 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:34:01 PM
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Thanks, @Pedro Jesus, @VeenOui. The journalist in me is really itching to find a way to inflitrate the medical information cordon. I am certain with more "workers" rotating in and out by the day, there has to be a bulging health dossier by now. Sniff, sniff ... any sharpnosed fidos out there on the ground?
> Last report I read earlier about the condition of the three workings said only two of them were
> still under observation, mentioned no burns had been sustained and no health hazard was suspected.
> We have highly contradictory information being posted here.
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by alblee at 3/28/2011 12:33:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:33:42 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:33:42 PM
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No Dennis, and it stinks, pardon the pun.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 12:33:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:33:28 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:33:28 PM
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Any news on Pu testing results guys?
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/28/2011 12:33:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:33:15 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:33:15 PM
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by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 12:33:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:33:10 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:33:10 PM
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@you 5% per Sv, meaning .5 % (1 in 200) from a dose of 100 mSv. Which is why when their computer models showed > 100 mSv dosage to INFANTS outside the 30 km zone, it is so tragic.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 12:32:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:32:26 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:32:26 PM
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@Hank Scorpio K thanks. Hmm, some murky waters there be.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 12:32:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:32:05 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:32:05 PM
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Honestly, I think their math might be wrong and it's closer to 3Sv/hour. Still, that's unapproachable essentially.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 12:32:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:32:05 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:32:05 PM
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Extremities (hands and feet) have higher dose limits than the whole body. This is bad, but if it is isolated to the feet, it's not that bad. The femur region has major implications on blood chemistry, so that region would be considered whole body. You'd have to do some radcon math to figure the dose about 2 feet above the floor.
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 12:31:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:31:33 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:31:33 PM
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@Jim Carver - That was the original estimate based upon the supposedly erroneous data. The new data excluded I-134 and reduced it to 30 or so.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 12:31:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:31:05 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:31:05 PM
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Even surviving the immediate effects, fatality rates are 5% per Sv.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 12:29:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:29:55 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:29:55 PM
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The problem is the main health risks are cancers, which can take years to show up even with a high dose and even low doses add to the risk. We are OK here in the US no matter what happens, but in Japan....
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 12:29:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:29:35 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:29:35 PM
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Did NHK just crash or is it on my end ?
by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 12:29:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:29:19 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:29:19 PM
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@Hank Scorpio 40 Sieverts?
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 12:29:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:29:18 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:29:18 PM
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@Pedro Jesus yup
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 12:29:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:29:04 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:29:04 PM
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@alblee Of course it would be wise to follow their health..I am pretty sure thee will be massive agency observation..question is, if we will read about it?
by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 12:28:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:28:38 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:28:38 PM
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Last report I read earlier about the condition of the three workings said only two of them were still under observation, mentioned no burns had been sustained and no health hazard was suspected. We have highly contradictory information being posted here.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 12:28:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:28:10 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:28:10 PM
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It was 40Sv/hour with the old data that included I-134.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 12:28:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:28:07 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:28:07 PM
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@NHK Listener It's their way of presenting the values. Check out my post a lil while back.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 12:28:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:28:04 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:28:04 PM
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The 30Sv/hour was deduced using the contaminant information of the water.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 12:27:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:27:39 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:27:39 PM
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@Ralph Unger Not that low. The LD50 is between 3.5 and 4.0 Sv. LD50 means the dose that will be lethal to 50% of those exposed. This assumes exposure in a short time, hours to days.
by Jim at 3/28/2011 12:27:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:27:23 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:27:23 PM
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@Jojo - Exactly. Their equipment on-site maxed out at 1Sv.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 12:27:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:27:11 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:27:11 PM
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@Hank Scorpio Look at the Tepco document, it says > 1000 mSv / hr. It could be 10 Sv/ hour, or 1.1.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 12:26:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:26:43 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:26:43 PM
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Wouldn't it be worth closely following up the progress/condition of the hospitalized workers for valuable medical insights relative to the prevailing health risk in and around the plants? Is there a way to track this? Thanks.
by alblee at 3/28/2011 12:26:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:26:41 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:26:41 PM
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@Ralph Unger I thought that was to the chest area for dosage..
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 12:26:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:26:03 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:26:03 PM
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See, the media are all reporting it as "1,000 mSv/hour" while all the TEPCO/NISA releases refer to it as "greater than 1,000 mSv/hour." A very important distinction which TEPCO has not seen fit to remedy.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 12:26:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:26:02 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:26:02 PM
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@Ralph Unger Yes
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 12:25:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:25:57 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:25:57 PM
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Sieverts I mean, sorry.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 12:25:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:25:26 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:25:26 PM
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I think it is about 2 mSv for 50% mortality without treatment. IIRC.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 12:25:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:25:08 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:25:08 PM
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@Sims - No, that was based upon the new data.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 12:24:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:24:50 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:24:50 PM
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@Jojo Yeah, one Doctor said that when you get that high, more is better. Less suffering.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 12:24:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:24:35 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:24:35 PM
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@jojo that was based on the retracted data though.
by Sims at 3/28/2011 12:24:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:24:32 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:24:32 PM
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@Hank Scorpio Wow. That is really high, talking 8 Sv is 100% fatality rate.
en.wikipedia.orgby Jojo at 3/28/2011 12:23:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:23:06 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:23:06 PM
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@Ralph Unger I think it is 1km
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 12:22:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:22:21 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:22:21 PM
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@alblee ditto here
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 12:22:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:22:20 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:22:20 PM
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@George_Gibb, just a quick-and-dirty thought for mulling: might it be possible and/or a desired thing for the Scribble application to time stamp each published post using, say, gmt/utc instead of the browser's local time? That way, there'd be a more coherent time reference at least with regard to posting time and everybody would be seeing a common post timestamp. Thanks.
by alblee at 3/28/2011 12:21:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:21:41 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:21:41 PM
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by Markfm at 3/28/2011 12:21:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:21:16 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:21:16 PM
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by Miles at 3/28/2011 12:21:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:21:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:21:13 PM
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I mean in addition to. Geez. I'm bad.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 12:20:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:20:46 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:20:46 PM
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by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 12:20:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:20:30 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:20:30 PM
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NHK Mereeological Press conference
by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 12:20:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:20:28 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:20:28 PM
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if the level is 2.452 mSv at the plant gates, how high could it be at the plant itself? Even outside? it think that is about 1/3rd of a mile away from the plant.
atmc.jpby Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 12:20:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:20:23 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:20:23 PM
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I thought 40 was mentioned.
by Markfm at 3/28/2011 12:19:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:19:43 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:19:43 PM
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Difference, I mean
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 12:19:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:19:38 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:19:38 PM
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@Markfm Right. In 40 minutes?
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 12:19:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:19:01 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:19:01 PM
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@Ralph Unger Think the biggest thing is getting beta burns.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 12:18:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:18:48 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:18:48 PM
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2 - 6 Sievert was what the clinic report as the apparent total dose below the ankles.
by Markfm at 3/28/2011 12:18:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:18:04 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:18:04 PM
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@Ralph Unger And we have no idea how long they were actually in the exposure range, thinking the dose lower, before they began work.
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 12:17:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:17:29 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:17:29 PM
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@Radioguy, Yes I would think so. But that was water contact, not just air. I have no idea how much that effect the dose.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 12:16:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:16:05 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:16:05 PM
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@Ralph @Jojo Someone mentioned seeing that thew workers exposed at R2 were in the water 40 minutes. That kind of exposure would indicate higher than 1 Sv/hr, wouldn't it?
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 12:14:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:14:35 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:14:35 PM
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@Jo Lindien rest well.
by Tenzing at 3/28/2011 12:14:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:14:24 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:14:24 PM
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Looks like usgs downgraded the last quake to 6.1
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 12:14:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:14:22 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:14:22 PM
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by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 12:13:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:13:42 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:13:42 PM
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@George, methings @Jeff was referring to a previous post of his, where "friend of mine who works for Wackenhut at Turkey Point. 2 days ago they sent out a Emergency Response Kit to Japan."
by alblee at 3/28/2011 12:13:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:13:29 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:13:29 PM
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Time to bed now (2am here). Thanks to all of us. Will come back
by Jo Lindien at 3/28/2011 12:12:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:12:54 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:12:54 PM
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by Jo Lindien at 3/28/2011 12:12:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:12:17 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:12:17 PM
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jma: "Tsunami Warnings and/or Advisories have been cancelled."
by Jo Lindien at 3/28/2011 12:12:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:12:00 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:12:00 PM
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@George Gibb - Gozirra, of course.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 12:11:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:11:40 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:11:40 PM
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@Jim Carver Yes, looking at ALL the areas, the steam comes out plus the debris and damage , along with inaccesible areas.....this is beyond me of a task :-(
by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 12:11:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:11:18 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:11:18 PM
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@Jeff kit for what jeff?
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 12:11:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:11:07 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:11:07 PM
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@elise I'm much closer to the OC plant than Indian Point, but being in between them (and close to the PA ones as well) never made me too comfortable. I think the OC plant is due to be shutdown sometime soon? Wish I could say the same for Indian Pt...
by NervousinNJ at 3/28/2011 12:10:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:10:19 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:10:19 PM
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@Maureen Burke I thought the same about the nervous breakdown.
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 12:10:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:10:10 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:10:10 PM
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@VeenOui Watchted that earlier. Hard to image how they will ever deal with that.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 12:09:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:09:41 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:09:41 PM
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@Jo Lindien it looks like there is a little smoke but its reduced quite a bit.
by Tenzing at 3/28/2011 12:09:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:09:34 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:09:34 PM
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@Ralph Unger And from what I have seen it's WAY higher than 1000 mSv (1 Sv). 1Sv was just the limit of their devices.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 12:08:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:08:40 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:08:40 PM
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NHK Listener via
Pointscope01.jp at 3/28/2011 12:07:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:07:28 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:07:28 PM
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1000 mSv in water in basement. That means each worker can work for 15 mins down there once a year. 250 mSv limit. If you count the time it takes to get there, work must be almost impossible. And if the guy who knows how to do the work best has already been down there, someone with less knowledge must be sent.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 12:07:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:07:20 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:07:20 PM
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Anyone who what such a kit would entail?
by Jeff at 3/28/2011 12:05:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:05:23 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:05:23 PM
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@nervous in nj:
en.wikipedia.org same make ~ same model as fukushima i believe...we are also down the stream from indian point also like 30 miles away provides 30% of the electricity for the city.
en.wikipedia.org notice how they call it an "
energy center"
by elise at 3/28/2011 12:05:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:05:10 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:05:10 PM
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Second hand info from a friend of mine who works for Wackenhut at Turkey Point. 2 days ago they sent out a Emergencyc Response Kit to Japan. He had no info of what the kit contains except for some 'top notch' suits.
by Jeff edited by elainekirk at 3/28/2011 12:04:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:04:57 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:04:57 PM
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now on NHK -english translation of helicopter video of plant.
by Maureen Burke at 3/28/2011 12:04:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:04:43 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:04:43 PM
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@Tenzing: new Tepco shot; no more smoke, only a few (not at all ?) steam
by Jo Lindien at 3/28/2011 12:03:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:03:30 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:03:30 PM
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Smoke/steam is largely gone now on the tepco webcam...
by Sims at 3/28/2011 12:03:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:03:27 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:03:27 PM
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I should imagine straight after the tsunami there would be no special suits, no respirators, or masks & lucky to find any people.
by jane at 3/28/2011 12:02:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:02:59 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:02:59 PM
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by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 12:02:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:02:28 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:02:28 PM
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@es Such compassion.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 12:02:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:02:06 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:02:06 PM
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@Sims - I realized that. I confused this report with the initial #2 report which showed I-134.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 12:01:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:01:05 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:01:05 PM
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@Maureen Burke Thanks. Amazing sentence in there: "A TEPCO spokesperson declined to elaborate on his health condition, but said he did not fall over or need to be hooked up to an intravenous drip."
by es at 3/28/2011 12:00:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:00:50 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:00:50 PM
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by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 12:00:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:00:37 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:00:37 PM
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@Hank the worrying item in that report is/was the Cl38
by Sims at 3/28/2011 12:00:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:00:16 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:00:16 PM
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Pardon my error, that report does not show I-134, only I-131
by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 11:59:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:59:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:59:16 PM
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@you Oh forgot, with Bq you have to give a volume of sample, like liters, cubic centimeter (cc) (ml), etc.
by Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 11:59:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:59:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:59:01 PM
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by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 11:57:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:57:55 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:57:55 PM
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@NervousinNJ It would be more a problem for the west coast, and food from there.
by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 11:57:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:57:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:57:39 PM
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The nerds over at ArsTechnica seem to be convinced there's been some degree of criticality, at least in Unit 1. They cite a NISA (not TEPCO) analysis of the water puddle from the #1 turbine building. That report shows high concentrations of not only quick-dissipating I-134, but Cl-38 (radioactive chlorine). To date, that particular report has not been retracted, unlike TEPCO's report on #2.
arstechnica.com -
www.nisa.meti.go.jpby Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 11:57:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:57:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:57:18 PM
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by Maureen Burke at 3/27/2011 11:57:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:57:06 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:57:06 PM
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Sounds like a nervous breakdown
by Maureen Burke at 3/27/2011 11:56:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:56:50 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:56:50 PM
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@Bobby - I saw that earlier, but must confess I don't really understand it. I was never too concerned about the radiation levels in the air here on the East Coast, and consequently never thought much about radiation in out water. But now I'm concerned.
by NervousinNJ at 3/27/2011 11:56:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:56:23 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:56:23 PM
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@dean Joined blogging late at ruetters, but you seem to be in the nuclear or hazmat business... was just reading link from Veenou at t.c.o. Do you have any ideal who is in charge of safety and training at the plant???? enployee say they were told to use plastic bags... but more importatntly not required to do formal taining of shave to wear thier resperators (maybe they only had cloth mask) Seems as though there is a great lack of standard safety issues not being followed or they do not pertain to japan? very lack of concern for life in my book! saftey info at the end of article on "rising levels of Rad"
by fitter at 3/27/2011 11:55:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:55:05 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:55:05 PM
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@gumba Becquels (bq) and Curies (Ci) measure the same thing, that is the number of nuclei emmissions per unit time. With Bq it's the number of nuclei that emit particles or a photon(s) of energy per second, so the numbers tend to be rather large. There's a conversion to Curies and you can look that up. Sieverts and Grays are more nebulous and involve exposures to organic tissue. While Grays and Sieverts can practically be used interchangably. It's very difficult to correlate emitted radiation with physiological effects. I've noticed the reports we are getting are very confusing in that they are giving readings in the field in Sv/t , but giving out the readings for liquids in Bq. (No time needed, it's already in seconds.) That's about all I know. I only minored in physics.
by Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 11:55:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:55:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:55:04 PM
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by Nancy at 3/27/2011 11:54:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:54:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:54:54 PM
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by Leela at 3/27/2011 11:53:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:53:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:53:10 PM
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@Jo Lindien OK i finally lost track of time:)
by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 11:52:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:52:55 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:52:55 PM
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@Sky New to me thanks.
by gabe at 3/27/2011 11:52:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:52:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:52:43 PM
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by Nancy at 3/27/2011 11:51:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:51:56 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:51:56 PM
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@Tenzing, I posted a still shot of video someone posted recently. It showed a tight stream of steam coming out of something on the top of #3. They thought it was the reactor area. Can't tell but it was dark and towards the middle. Seemed like something other than the fuel pool and with some pressure behind it.
by Nancy at 3/27/2011 11:51:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:51:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:51:18 PM
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Here is a link to what I had copied and pasted earlier.
www2a.cdc.govby gabe at 3/27/2011 11:51:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:51:14 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:51:14 PM
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by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 11:50:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:50:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:50:35 PM
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@Tenzig: yes, ten minutes to go... @Chris: yes, looks like steam + smoke
by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 11:50:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:50:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:50:16 PM
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From the Washington Post article someone just posted below. I knew there were penetrations through the reactor vessel for the control rods and instruments, but did not know about "graphite stoppers" for those holes.
"...Unlike in newer reactor designs, the older boiling water reactors at Daiichi are pierced by dozens of holes in the bottom of their reactor vessels. Each hole allows one control rod — made of a neutron-absorbing material that quickly stops nuclear fission inside the reactor — to slide into the reactor from below, as happened when the earthquake shook the plant March 11. During normal operations, a graphite stopper covers each hole, sealing in highly radioactive primary cooling water, said Arnie Gundersen, a consultant at Fairewinds Associates with 40 years of experience overseeing boiling water reactors.
But at temperatures above 350 degrees Fahrenheit, the graphite stoppers begin to melt.
“Since it is likely that rubble from the broken fuel rods . . . is collecting at the bottom of the reactor, the seals are being damaged by high temperature or high radiation,” Gundersen said. As the graphite seals fail, water in the reactor will leak into a network of pipes in the containment buildings surrounding each reactor — the very buildings that have been heavily damaged by explosions. Gundersen said that this piping is probably compromised, leaving highly radioactive water to seep from the reactor vessels into broken pipes — and from there into the turbine buildings and beyond. ..." Is this new information to you guys too?
by Sky at 3/27/2011 11:50:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:50:15 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:50:15 PM
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@Tenzing Yes, the WebCam updates on the hour, smoke and steam seen in the last 2 hours
by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 11:49:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:49:48 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:49:48 PM
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by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 11:49:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:49:32 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:49:32 PM
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Webcam - looks like steam and grey smoke?
by Chris at 3/27/2011 11:49:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:49:29 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:49:29 PM
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@george - how many people on here just now
by fiona at 3/27/2011 11:48:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:48:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:48:51 PM
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@Jo Lindien I thought it was updated on the hour?
by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 11:48:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:48:46 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:48:46 PM
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@Jo Lindien OK :)
by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 11:48:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:48:13 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:48:13 PM
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@Diane Yeah, I though 25x sounded small to, after all the 10 MillionX news, etc. , but there may be cause for concern in the future...
by gabe at 3/27/2011 11:48:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:48:02 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:48:02 PM
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@Tenzing: same shot for more than half an hour. Steam and smoke, likely from #3. Let's wait for next one in ~ 1/4 hour...
by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 11:47:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:47:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:47:42 PM
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@elainekirk2001 I think, the link for some reason is getting buried here...
by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 11:47:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:47:14 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:47:14 PM
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@gabe @Diane @everyone Weren't they saying earlier today that the levels were thousands of times below the level of concern, or something like that? Now it's only 25 times? Alarming indeed!
by NervousinNJ at 3/27/2011 11:46:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:46:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:46:52 PM
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@Tenzing Is that steam/smoke from #4?
by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 11:46:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:46:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:46:33 PM
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by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 11:45:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:45:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:45:28 PM
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@gabe Your post is actually really, really alarming... So if the levels grow only 25 times, there WILL be a concern about short-term consumption? Which means we're not really talking about trace amounts. If releases continue at Fukushima, we may soon get a radioactive water warning here on the East coast.
by Diane at 3/27/2011 11:44:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:44:47 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:44:47 PM
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by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 11:43:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:43:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:43:43 PM
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Sorry for the big post, but it was an a CDC email I received so could not post a link.
by gabe at 3/27/2011 11:42:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:42:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:42:16 PM
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Monitoring for Increased Levels of Radioactive Material in the US as a Result of the Incident with the Fukushima Nuclear Incident in Japan
Summary: As a result of the incident with the Fukushima nuclear plant in Japan, highly sensitive radiation monitors operated by EPA and others are detecting very low levels of radioactive material in the air in the United States. These levels were expected and consistent with estimated releases from the damaged nuclear reactors and are far below levels of public health concern.
Elevated levels of radioactive material in rainwater have also been expected as a result of the nuclear incident after the events in Japan, since radiation is known to travel in the atmosphere. There have been reports received that several states including Pennsylvania and Massachusetts have detected elevated levels of radiation in rainwater following recent precipitation events.
Background
The numbers of the elevated levels of radioactive material being reported in Massachusetts are 79 picocuries (pCi) per liter (one picocurie is a trillionth of a curie). The numbers reported in Pennsylvania range from 40-100 picocuries per liter. Although these are levels above the background levels historically reported in these areas, they are still about 25 times below the level that would be of concern for use as a sole source of water over a short period of time, even for infants and pregnant or breastfeeding women, who are the most sensitive to radiation.
While short-term elevations such as these do not raise public health concerns – and the levels seen in rainwater are expected to be relatively short in duration – the U.S. EPA has taken steps to increase the level of monitoring of precipitation, drinking water, and other potential exposure routes to continue to verify that.
Given the release of radiation in Japan, it was expected that radiation monitors in this country and elsewhere will detect minute quantities of radiation. These monitors are highly sensitive and can detect amounts of radiation in trillionths of a Curie. We expect environmental monitors will continue to detect low levels of radiation in surface waters due to radioactive material in the air. When it rains or snows, the radioactive material is washed to the ground and onto surface waters.
by gabe at 3/27/2011 11:41:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:41:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:41:31 PM
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Has anybody else looked at @VeenOui's link
atmc.jp (there is a language button to choose language)?
by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 11:41:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:41:11 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:41:11 PM
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@VeenOui That's from 2 days ago but it's still up-to-date.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/27/2011 11:41:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:41:05 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:41:05 PM
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by Miles at 3/27/2011 11:40:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:40:45 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:40:45 PM
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@chris (opinon) I did nt see english version, but I belive the lid you are refering to is the containment lid (not vessel lid) for #4, it is my understanding that they were doing mantaince(probably refueling) and had the contaiment lid off. but do not believe it blew off... if you watch the explosion on #3 the height of the plume and force, I would think #3 suffered trmenous damage to the buiding and mechanical systems, not sure about the contaiment vessel? my guess is the rod pool suffered some damage or/and debrie fill.
by fitter at 3/27/2011 11:40:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:40:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:40:01 PM
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Just in: Washington Post - 17 workers at Japan nuke plant exposed to high levels of radiation -
t.coby VeenOui at 3/27/2011 11:39:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:39:48 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:39:48 PM
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I'm a bit confused. I see the relationships between rads, rems, sieverts etc. But how does this relate to the amount of radiation present ie curies, becquerels. Specifically, if you remove 1/2 a radioactive puddle of x sv/hr - what results - 1/2 the sv rate since half the energy in decay was removed?
by gumba at 3/27/2011 11:33:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:33:14 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:33:14 PM
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by
hans via
Zamg.ac.at at 3/27/2011 11:31:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:31:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:31:59 PM
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by hans at 3/27/2011 11:30:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:30:17 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:30:17 PM
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Magnitude 6.5
Date-Time
Sunday, March 27, 2011 at 22:23:56 UTC
Monday, March 28, 2011 at 07:23:56 AM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones
Location 38.405°N, 142.120°E
Depth 5.9 km (3.7 miles)
Region NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
Distances 109 km (67 miles) E of Sendai, Honshu, Japan
156 km (96 miles) E of Yamagata, Honshu, Japan
161 km (100 miles) ENE of Fukushima, Honshu, Japan
368 km (228 miles) NE of TOKYO, Japan
Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 13.1 km (8.1 miles); depth +/- 5.9 km (3.7 miles)
Parameters NST=365, Nph=377, Dmin=404.1 km, Rmss=0.85 sec, Gp= 32°,
M-type=regional moment magnitude (Mw), Version=8
Source
USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
Event ID usc0002cqa
by Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 11:30:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:30:03 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:30:03 PM
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Ok since even NHK is mentioning "livestation" for their Iphone app, here is the link to the online Streams, that i watch
www.livestation.comby VeenOui at 3/27/2011 11:29:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:29:56 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:29:56 PM
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It was some kind of an experting watching the footage (linked above) and explaining what you're looking at.
by Chris at 3/27/2011 11:29:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:29:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:29:18 PM
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We haven't had a TV for years, by choice. So that's what we all have in common on this blog....
by Sky at 3/27/2011 11:28:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:28:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:28:54 PM
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I know some may not find based on hard science but I find it pretty spot on at this moment, just another perspective. EXTREME WEATHER AND EARTHQUAKE DANGER IMMINENT around 23rd-27th March warns Piers Corbyn - Updating with news
www.weatheraction.comby Tenzing at 3/27/2011 11:28:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:28:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:28:01 PM
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@ chris- they might be playing it again soon. Was that the interview with the clay models of the damaged reactors?
by Maureen Burke at 3/27/2011 11:27:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:27:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:27:57 PM
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Ooops.... I meant SDF shots...
by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 11:27:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:27:38 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:27:38 PM
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@Chris: imho if a crane would have fallen in the spent fuel pool it would be in #3. From SPD shots, it seemed to me that we could see the crane above the spent fuel pool of #4 still in place
by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 11:26:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:26:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:26:42 PM
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@elainekirk2001 I am baffled by their fukoshima readings......from their graph's, semms as though radiation is travelingcc..http://atmc.jp/fukushima/
by VeenOui edited by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 11:25:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:25:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:25:51 PM
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Did anyone catch the interview on NKH a few minutes ago? An expert was commenting on the video (I believe the one linked above) saying that a crane or something had actually fallen over and likely damaged the rods in (I think) R4. Also, some kind of a containment lid blown off. This was new information to me. Could anyone please elaborate/clarify? Thanks.
by Chris at 3/27/2011 11:22:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:22:45 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:22:45 PM
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"White Sheet" data sources -
Tepco Radiation Monitor - www.bousai.ne.jp
Tepco Reactor Updates - www.tepco.co.jp
NRC (USA Nuclear regulatory) - www.nrc.gov
MEXT radiation readings - www.mext.go.jp
NISA information - www.nisa.meti.go.jp
JAIF Status Readings - www.jaif.or.jp
ARS Technica (techie forum) arstechnica.com
These are sites with Scientific Data and require a bit of technical knowledge to understand.
by Patrick Kelley edited by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 11:21:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:21:44 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:21:44 PM
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@George Gibb I reposted that comment with links at 4:58
by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 11:20:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:20:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:20:52 PM
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by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 11:20:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:20:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:20:33 PM
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george, thanks ~
by elise at 3/27/2011 11:20:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:20:26 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:20:26 PM
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@VeenOui greatr link have you noticed that though there are no readings for Miyagi and Fukushima they do give deviations so they must have readings!!
atmc.jpby elainekirk at 3/27/2011 11:20:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:20:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:20:24 PM
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@All Several people have asked if this site has archiving capabilities - yes the output in .XLS format and I have done 2 backups in the last few days.
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 11:19:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:19:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:19:27 PM
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@ralph, good find, great food for thought.
by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 11:18:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:18:48 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:18:48 PM
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by tippytoe at 3/27/2011 11:18:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:18:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:18:00 PM
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what is the best site for monitoring wind?
by dan at 3/27/2011 11:16:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:16:56 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:16:56 PM
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Food for thought... "The readings being retracted are not due to miscalculation. If you will check the tides for the last 24hrs you will see that the initial VERY HIGH reading was @ high tide. The second re-reading was taken @ low tide. This style reactor uses a single cooling loop and appears to have a leak in the turbine room. The tides coming in puts positive pressure in this loop and radiation collects. When the tide goes out it places a vaccume on the system pulling vast amounts out to sea.
Tepco will publish samSeems this ples taken @ low tide from now on it seems."Eric Shidler on March 27, 2011, 4:04 PM
www.tKit for whatheoildrum.comby Ralph Unger edited by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 11:16:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:16:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:16:42 PM
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by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 11:16:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:16:23 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:16:23 PM
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@Val UK: if there's no wind, hard to see any difference.
by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 11:16:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:16:15 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:16:15 PM
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@dean: thanks.
by elise at 3/27/2011 11:15:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:15:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:15:28 PM
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Nothing new at kyodo, after 8 japan time, life must be good, no problems
by Markfm at 3/27/2011 11:14:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:14:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:14:41 PM
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by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 11:14:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:14:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:14:36 PM
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brb.. meeting with some engineers for tomorrow work.. elsie I will look at that when I get back ..
by dean at 3/27/2011 11:14:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:14:23 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:14:23 PM
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anyone looked at the latest webcam pic? appears to show 'steam' shooting up in the air rather than billowing out.
by Val UK at 3/27/2011 11:13:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:13:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:13:34 PM
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@Nancy I think, the Blogger is saying what we all are too....there seems to be much less caring about the Reactors ?!
by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 11:12:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:12:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:12:40 PM
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Claim of steam coming out of the containment top area of #3. Supposedly from and SDF video
ex-skf.blogspot.comby Nancy at 3/27/2011 11:10:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:10:14 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:10:14 PM
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This is the first time, that I have seen such close up and much more exposing Video of the Reactors....i wonder, how long they had this ?
by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 11:10:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:10:12 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:10:12 PM
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@george@ralph Thanks.
by Maureen Burke at 3/27/2011 11:08:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:08:11 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:08:11 PM
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@Stormy, thanks :)
by WolfDK at 3/27/2011 11:07:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:07:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:07:00 PM
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5- Japanese scale 6.5 US scale.
by Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 11:06:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:06:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:06:59 PM
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by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 11:06:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:06:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:06:54 PM
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by Stormy at 3/27/2011 11:06:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:06:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:06:39 PM
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Is the 6.5 quake based on the Japan scale or the Richter scale that I'm more familiar with?
by Maureen Burke at 3/27/2011 11:06:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:06:15 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:06:15 PM
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ok, I give up. I'm gonna post this. A couple of hours ago, I read somewhere that they had confirmed the fuel rods were covered w/ h20 in fuel pool in #1 and #3, but I can't finr now ...Help
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 11:06:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:06:03 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:06:03 PM
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@Jo Lindien Ok...FIRST WAVE PASSED :-)
by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 11:05:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:05:17 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:05:17 PM
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Could be interesting to make/watch a timelapse video from the TEPCO webcam
by WolfDK at 3/27/2011 11:05:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:05:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:05:04 PM
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@VeenOut: tsunami was announced at 7h50 in Ishinomaki (13 minutes ago), 8h20 at Sendai (17 minutes from now). It's not passed.
by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 11:04:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:04:15 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:04:15 PM
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Quote "Saturday, March 26, 2011: Along several kilometers we measured dose rate ranges between 20-100 µSv/h with peaks above 100µSv/h. Those peaks would mean receiving your maximum annual dose in about 8 hours." (thats around 40km from daichi source = greenpeace own measuring team
act.gpby dude at 3/27/2011 11:04:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:04:02 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:04:02 PM
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@ Jim yes please pin the copy with links
by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 11:03:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:03:44 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:03:44 PM
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NHK has rehash of reactor, no tsunami reporting.
by Nancy at 3/27/2011 11:03:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:03:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:03:43 PM
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Wonder what effect this quake has had on Fukushima?
by James Ward at 3/27/2011 11:03:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:03:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:03:35 PM
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There was steam and smoke in the previous one as well
by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 11:03:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:03:15 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:03:15 PM
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@NHK Listener: steam & smoke, now ?
by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 11:02:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:02:26 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:02:26 PM
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by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 11:01:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:01:58 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:01:58 PM
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@Patrick Kelley Maybe pin that?
by Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 11:01:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:01:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:01:57 PM
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TV media in the US is pretty much useless. I realized that between things on 9-11 and the total lack of reporting in WI over the last month. Foreign media and online things like this tend to be the best resources as long as you can sort the junk from the good.
by Nancy at 3/27/2011 11:01:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:01:47 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:01:47 PM
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dean, i had a question about modulation and chernobyl, something i read on a physics blog talked about over modulation of the graphite due to the reactor being duel purpose for weapons material production and generating electricity ~ i do not understand what that means to be over modulated. the post is the 4th one down if you want to look ~
www.physicsforums.com by elise at 3/27/2011 11:01:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:01:45 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:01:45 PM
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So RADNET is still not available
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 11:01:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:01:38 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:01:38 PM
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CNN is showing the tsunami video that was posted earlier in this forum...where's the "new" news??
by James Ward at 3/27/2011 11:01:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:01:37 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:01:37 PM
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@Jo Lindien 50 cm max.passed.no news beyond
by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 11:01:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:01:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:01:27 PM
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by
NHK Listener via
Pointscope01.jp at 3/27/2011 11:01:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:01:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:01:10 PM
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what about the tsunami ? From my opinion, this is the biggest threat at the moment. Any news ?
by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 11:00:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:00:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:00:57 PM
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CNN has gone to a lengthy commercial break while they gather their facts and get NHK live. Holy cow...they went to a story about buying cars made in Japan! Geeeez.
by James Ward at 3/27/2011 10:59:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:59:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:59:54 PM
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@All pls copy and paste Patrick's links. I'll remove it shortly to reclaim viewing screen ty
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 10:59:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:59:47 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:59:47 PM
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@george Gibb thanks.
by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 10:59:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:59:38 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:59:38 PM
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Well, can characterize this group as a mini Un, Think-tank, nerds...LOL
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 10:59:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:59:37 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:59:37 PM
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My hubby works in IT, I used to work for an interactive company. Most of it is his fault. :-)
by Nancy at 3/27/2011 10:59:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:59:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:59:36 PM
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@Jo Lindien [Opinion] I'm also a 22 year old. The age where I'm suppose to be in to all the stupid tv shows on mtv and channels like that. Instead its History, Discovery, CNN, and food network. ... I think I'm turning in to my mom!
by Natalie at 3/27/2011 10:59:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:59:32 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:59:32 PM
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@Markfm, yes thats a good excuse :D
by WolfDK at 3/27/2011 10:59:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:59:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:59:31 PM
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@Markfm- You can watch Mythbusters on Hulu!
by Maureen Burke at 3/27/2011 10:59:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:59:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:59:01 PM
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by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 10:58:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:58:55 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:58:55 PM
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@Nancy ADDICT, turn off powwr@once ....lol
by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 10:58:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:58:47 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:58:47 PM
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Tossed my tv overboard...
by Walter (alias Linda Dianne) at 3/27/2011 10:58:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:58:17 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:58:17 PM
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@Natalie: [Opinion] prooves that TV does not make everyone a fool. Good news !
by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 10:58:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:58:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:58:00 PM
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No TV...
by DennisV at 3/27/2011 10:58:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:58:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:58:00 PM
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brb
by dean at 3/27/2011 10:57:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:57:58 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:57:58 PM
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Tv here, need my mythbusters fix
by Markfm at 3/27/2011 10:57:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:57:56 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:57:56 PM
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Hmm 4 tv's plus cable, netflix, 4 servers and broadband.
by Nancy at 3/27/2011 10:57:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:57:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:57:51 PM
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Long time reader delurking to say no tv in this house either. And hello and thanks to all here.
by Gina Ware at 3/27/2011 10:57:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:57:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:57:35 PM
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just in case it hasnt been posted yet
act.gpby dude at 3/27/2011 10:57:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:57:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:57:28 PM
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I don't have a tv.
by Maureen Burke at 3/27/2011 10:57:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:57:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:57:09 PM
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No tv here either hmm...
by gabe at 3/27/2011 10:56:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:56:37 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:56:37 PM
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@Jo Lindien [Opinion] I have a TV. Sorry, broke your results.
by Natalie at 3/27/2011 10:56:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:56:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:56:35 PM
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boo.
by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 10:56:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:56:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:56:35 PM
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@Dean, the presentation is here:
www.ustream.tv . I found this interesting, because it was the first time I saw actual measurements that seem to tell us something about the events inside the beast.
by Peter Melzer at 3/27/2011 10:56:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:56:17 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:56:17 PM
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No TV ;)
by Diane at 3/27/2011 10:56:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:56:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:56:09 PM
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@Patrick Kelley I don't see the cooment your referring to - copy and paste pls.
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 10:56:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:56:02 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:56:02 PM
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@Jo Lindien maybe
by Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 10:55:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:55:50 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:55:50 PM
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No TV here... [Opinion] are all people concerned the ones with no TV ?
by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 10:55:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:55:26 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:55:26 PM
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by Maureen Burke at 3/27/2011 10:55:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:55:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:55:10 PM
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@Tenzing Google is your friend...caugh(livestream) caugh
by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 10:55:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:55:05 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:55:05 PM
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@dean what is your occupation if you don't mind me asking?
by fitter at 3/27/2011 10:54:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:54:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:54:53 PM
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Have to say NHK also just switched to te weather forecast. :)
by sims at 3/27/2011 10:54:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:54:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:54:52 PM
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No TV here either...start your survey lol
by d_news at 3/27/2011 10:54:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:54:45 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:54:45 PM
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I see 1 comment from Sal at 4:29
by gg at 3/27/2011 10:54:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:54:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:54:42 PM
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oops i didnt know i had the caps on
by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 10:54:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:54:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:54:42 PM
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by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 10:54:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:54:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:54:39 PM
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CAN I GET A LINK TO A LIVE STREAM
by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 10:54:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:54:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:54:20 PM
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omg I don't watch TV either
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 10:53:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:53:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:53:51 PM
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I'm seeing a common thread!
by Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 10:53:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:53:44 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:53:44 PM
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@Tenzing CNN just started covering the quake and tsunami...MSNBC has a commercial (go figure).
by James Ward at 3/27/2011 10:53:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:53:38 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:53:38 PM
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OMG i
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 10:53:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:53:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:53:34 PM
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and..no tv!
by elise at 3/27/2011 10:53:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:53:11 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:53:11 PM
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No TV here either.
by es at 3/27/2011 10:52:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:52:12 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:52:12 PM
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@george Gibb any chance you could clip my comment at 4:29 to the top?
by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 10:52:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:52:03 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:52:03 PM
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I have TV and i only watch online :-O
by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 10:51:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:51:03 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:51:03 PM
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wow - wish we could do surveys - i will not allow tv here either =O
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 10:50:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:50:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:50:34 PM
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geek:)
by Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 10:50:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:50:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:50:33 PM
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peter.. I"d really have to review the data on the pressure.. because there is inlet and outlet pressure and steam pressure ,, return water pressure...
by dean at 3/27/2011 10:50:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:50:23 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:50:23 PM
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I use my TV as a monitor
by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 10:50:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:50:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:50:09 PM
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I don have tv either
by Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 10:49:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:49:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:49:39 PM
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@Tenzing That's the mentality I'm surrounded by, it's astounding. If not for this blog-group I don't know where I'd find discussion. Thank you, all!
by Lisa at 3/27/2011 10:49:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:49:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:49:35 PM
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@ Dean, I should add at reactor #1.
by Peter Melzer at 3/27/2011 10:49:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:49:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:49:09 PM
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@Tenzing No TV ? caugh (livestation) caugh
by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 10:48:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:48:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:48:41 PM
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Another major shock would finish her. For good. Dr. Kaku believes were already there. (As do I). The thing I was worried about several days ago was the plant becoming so radioactive that the workers can't go near it. I'm afraid that may be happening now. Efficiency of the workers is really poor as of now. Tepco doesn't seem to be able to plan how long something will take (sometimes call v-fac time), that's why everything is always delayed. There's a limit to optimism and I think they should get real. (About a lot of things) My Opinion
by Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 10:48:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:48:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:48:20 PM
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@Dean, I watched this expert presentation on CNIC this morning. The man showed the pressure history measured at the reactor since the quake. It was quite clear that the reactor vessel lost pressure within hours. Does not that mean that reactors of this type ought to be shut down, at least until we find out what precisely at the vessel failed?
by Peter Melzer at 3/27/2011 10:47:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:47:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:47:59 PM
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by Maureen Burke at 3/27/2011 10:47:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:47:58 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:47:58 PM
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OPINION: I gotta share this. I just phoned my neighbor and asked him to turn on his TV (i dont' own a TV) because there might be breaking news about the Tsunami and he said "i'm in the middle of watching the final four right now" thats the USA
by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 10:46:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:46:37 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:46:37 PM
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From Twitter - World radio, reports Tsunami seen, Hearing roaring sound never heard before.
by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 10:42:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:42:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:42:31 PM
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by Olivier at 3/27/2011 10:42:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:42:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:42:04 PM
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@dean Indeed. Can't be good for the nerves either.
by es at 3/27/2011 10:40:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:40:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:40:33 PM
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USGS rates it a 6.5 earthquake...10 km deep...very close to the Miyagi coastline
earthquake.usgs.govby James Ward at 3/27/2011 10:39:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:39:26 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:39:26 PM
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yes es... I thought of all the after shocks over the last couple of weeks that theplants could have felt that made things worse
by dean at 3/27/2011 10:38:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:38:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:38:00 PM
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by Cul at 3/27/2011 10:37:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:37:30 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:37:30 PM
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@dean So many recently... Shocking.
by es at 3/27/2011 10:35:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:35:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:35:28 PM
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The JMA "early warning" system is nothing more than an alert to seek cover when the earthquake is already happening! My policy is wait a few seconds to see how bad the shaking is and then head for a doorway, under a desk, or outside if necessary.
by Alaskan at 3/27/2011 10:35:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:35:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:35:28 PM
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@pgen Thanks. Also, @Jim, I can definitely see that happening (complacency) with enough false alarms.
by jay77 at 3/27/2011 10:35:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:35:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:35:08 PM
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Tsunami Warning/Advisory
Issued at 07:27 JST 28 Mar 2011
******************Headline******************
Tsunami Advisories have been issued for the following coastal regions of Japan:
MIYAGI PREF.
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Tsunami Advisories have been issued for the following coastal regions of Japan:
<Tsunami Advisory>
*MIYAGI PREF.
Tsunamis are expected to arrive imminently in the following coastal regions of Japan
(coastal regions shown above with * marks):
MIYAGI PREF.
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by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 10:35:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:35:05 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:35:05 PM
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that big bridge is still standing on the NHK site AFTER ALL THOSE EARTHQUAKE.. I'd feel queezy driving on it
by dean at 3/27/2011 10:34:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:34:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:34:43 PM
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sorry advisory
by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 10:34:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:34:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:34:34 PM
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that was the tsunami alert for japan site
www.jma.go.jp there is a current warning
by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 10:34:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:34:22 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:34:22 PM
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by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 10:33:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:33:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:33:42 PM
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Unfortunately most are false alarms and it makes people complacent.
by Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 10:33:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:33:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:33:39 PM
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by pgen at 3/27/2011 10:32:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:32:58 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:32:58 PM
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NHK is live and reporting Tsunami warning
by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 10:32:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:32:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:32:33 PM
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I live in the most seismically active region of the US. There is no such thing as an earthquake alert. Tsunami alerts, yes -- in fact it is Tsunami awareness week here.
by Alaskan at 3/27/2011 10:32:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:32:11 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:32:11 PM
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50cm Tsunami already reported in areas of Miyagi.
by gabe at 3/27/2011 10:32:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:32:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:32:09 PM
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The last 1 is saw on NHK last week gave about a 5 minute warning before a 6 .
by Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 10:31:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:31:19 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:31:19 PM
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@jay77 NO KIDDING !
by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 10:31:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:31:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:31:16 PM
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Tsunami warning yes. I saw a video and it's sirens near the shore.
by Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 10:31:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:31:14 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:31:14 PM
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by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 10:30:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:30:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:30:52 PM
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Patrick,nice links, Thanks
by audi at 3/27/2011 10:30:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:30:45 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:30:45 PM
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tsunami alert:
www.jma.go.jp MIYAGI PREF. 6.7 magnitude earthquake
by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 10:30:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:30:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:30:43 PM
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I grew up in southern california... would be nice if they shared that tech if it works!
by jay77 at 3/27/2011 10:30:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:30:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:30:31 PM
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They have issued them before and they were correct, they look at small pre-shocks I think.
by Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 10:30:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:30:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:30:09 PM
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yet on NHK they seem to announce prior to "there will be an earthquake at such and such a location, brace yourself"
by jay77 at 3/27/2011 10:29:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:29:56 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:29:56 PM
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@jay77 They have those in Japan..comes with a sound on all SMS network there..I heard it numerous times during LIVE reports
by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 10:29:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:29:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:29:34 PM
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by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 10:29:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:29:23 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:29:23 PM
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ty marie.. I had to update my adobe
by dean at 3/27/2011 10:29:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:29:17 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:29:17 PM
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@jay77 Cuz there's no such thing.
by Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 10:29:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:29:03 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:29:03 PM
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50 CM tsunami alert for Miyagi.
by Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 10:28:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:28:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:28:59 PM
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@Jeff I wonder. Is that a major breach of containment is now undeniable?
by es at 3/27/2011 10:28:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:28:49 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:28:49 PM
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clarification: I've never heard of a pre-earthquake alert...
by jay77 at 3/27/2011 10:28:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:28:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:28:27 PM
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depending on the ground motion of any earthquakes.. "if" there is a melted core the debris may be upset by some shaking or in the spent fuel pools some debris on top falling.. keep an eye on the shots of the metal frameworks etc.
by dean at 3/27/2011 10:28:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:28:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:28:00 PM
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Does anyone know how their earthquake alert system works? I've never heard of such a thing.
by jay77 at 3/27/2011 10:27:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:27:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:27:52 PM
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by marie rich at 3/27/2011 10:26:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:26:47 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:26:47 PM
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4mins ago tohoku region 5 minus in myagi
by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 10:26:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:26:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:26:43 PM
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Tenzing via
Nuclearfissionary at 3/27/2011 10:26:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:26:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:26:33 PM
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Seems mainstream media has shown a little more interest in this story today. Can't seem to figure out if this is a sign things are getting worse or not, or if they finally decided to try and cover this.
by Jeff at 3/27/2011 10:26:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:26:30 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:26:30 PM
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I am hearing that there is an earthquake alert
by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 10:26:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:26:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:26:01 PM
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marie.. when I opened that all I could see were a bunch of dots
by dean at 3/27/2011 10:25:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:25:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:25:51 PM
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@Jo Lindien No.
by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 10:25:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:25:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:25:43 PM
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by marie rich at 3/27/2011 10:24:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:24:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:24:39 PM
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@dean Thanks
by es at 3/27/2011 10:23:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:23:14 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:23:14 PM
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3-11-11 date of article not date of photo, the towers may have been re-painted after this photo was taken. I keep looking.
An emergency has been declared due to falling water levels at TEPCO's Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear power plant. (Photo courtesy TEPCO)
www.ens-newswire.comby Tenzing at 3/27/2011 10:22:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:22:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:22:10 PM
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@NHK listener: then no noticeable color differences for the trees between 3-17 and now.
by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 10:21:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:21:55 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:21:55 PM
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about the steam maybe coming from a relief valve... when the reactor scrammed, there is a transient in the steam system going to the turbines and there could have been a relief valve on that system that bled off steam because imagine.. steam was still being produced from the core when the power was lost off site..
by dean at 3/27/2011 10:21:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:21:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:21:54 PM
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es.. I'm not very familiar with the liquid metal idea for coolilng.. in an idea situation they use it..but.. with the core in such a debris and no functional coolling system.. I just don't know for certain
by dean at 3/27/2011 10:20:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:20:55 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:20:55 PM
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it was the red on the towers that got me
by fiona at 3/27/2011 10:20:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:20:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:20:54 PM
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@dean Good point Dean
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 10:19:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:19:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:19:43 PM
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VeenOui via
Pointscope01.jp at 3/27/2011 10:19:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:19:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:19:20 PM
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Here is a pic from 3-17 [IMG]http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r17/onthedgeofmyseat/20110317100050.jpg[/IMG]
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NHK Listener via
I140.photobucket at 3/27/2011 10:19:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:19:17 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:19:17 PM
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In the Latest TEPCO Cam pix, it looks as though, there is Steam AND smoke ?!
by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 10:19:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:19:14 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:19:14 PM
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@Tenzing IF that is Daiichi that is a very old photo.
by Jeff at 3/27/2011 10:19:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:19:12 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:19:12 PM
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those stacks you see in the picture are usually depended upon to take the air off the facility up the stack and disperse it in the air up at that leve.. those stacks failed which left all the activity down in the faility.. I hope they don't start them ..
by dean at 3/27/2011 10:19:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:19:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:19:09 PM
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@bart i live on the sea shore and i don't think salt does that to trees in such a short space of time - but over a longer period of time it fades all the red cars!
by fiona at 3/27/2011 10:18:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:18:46 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:18:46 PM
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@Tenzing: Compare this with current tepco image. The 3 towers are colored differently... strange R u sure this is Daiichi?
by Optim at 3/27/2011 10:17:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:17:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:17:59 PM
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@Tenzing Also consider that the height of land from that angle rules out salt damage.
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 10:17:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:17:46 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:17:46 PM
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I think one very important thing.. the fuel is still contained in the vessels for 1, 2 & 3 and in the canal.. it's still 40 feet deep and there is alot of concrete shielding.. the worst rad levels are up in the air above the reactors.. and that is the safest place for the fuel debris (what every shape they are in) to be
by dean at 3/27/2011 10:17:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:17:46 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:17:46 PM
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@Bart: you're right. Salted stream may have fallen on the trees...
by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 10:17:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:17:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:17:43 PM
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OPINION: I don't have a date stamp for this photo, however I am relatively certain it was taken before 3/11/11. The trees appear substantially greener in this photo than they do on the recent TEMPCO webcam shots. Just my opinion www.ens-newswire.com
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Tenzing via
Ens-newswire at 3/27/2011 10:16:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:16:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:16:20 PM
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jay.. I'm not sure about that.. there are so many differnces in these reactor..
by dean at 3/27/2011 10:16:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:16:13 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:16:13 PM
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@Jo Lindien: Please remember about the effect salt could have had on the trees. Let's not speculate.
by Bart at 3/27/2011 10:16:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:16:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:16:10 PM
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@dean Thanks for offering to relay our questions. Do you have any info on the prospects of liquid metal cooling?
by es at 3/27/2011 10:16:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:16:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:16:04 PM
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lol @fiona
by Optim at 3/27/2011 10:16:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:16:02 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:16:02 PM
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@optim - just someone out having a ciggy break
by fiona at 3/27/2011 10:15:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:15:29 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:15:29 PM
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@Dean In the documentary, they speculated a 3.5 megaton explosion would have been set off that would have razed Minsk (~350km away). Has that theory been since refuted (I think the documentary came out a few years ago).
by jay77 at 3/27/2011 10:15:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:15:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:15:20 PM
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salu.. try an experiment on the stove.. put about 2 cups of salt in a sauce pan of water and boil it off... JUST KIDDING.. there would be alot of build up over this time by now... inhibiting the heat transfer when clean water is introduces
by dean at 3/27/2011 10:15:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:15:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:15:09 PM
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There is a clear black smoke just left of the first Also from white tower from right. It's clearly visible in the web-cam.
www.tepco.co.jp We have seen this before so we should not be alarmed..NO?
by Optim edited by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 10:14:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:14:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:14:28 PM
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@miles thanks for making me laugh
by fiona at 3/27/2011 10:13:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:13:44 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:13:44 PM
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@Miles ha lol
by Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 10:13:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:13:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:13:36 PM
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@dean, Thanks but in that case where could this reported steam have vented from ?
by WolfDK at 3/27/2011 10:13:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:13:30 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:13:30 PM
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jay... it can be the same thing at these plants in that the molten core burns through the bottom of the vessel.. (there was a web link Iposted explaining that) .. which would drop into the supression pool and have that sort of reaction
by dean at 3/27/2011 10:13:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:13:12 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:13:12 PM
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If the wind is blowing towards Tokyo, TEPCO will issue a statement saying it's blowing the opposite direction.
by Miles at 3/27/2011 10:13:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:13:02 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:13:02 PM
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oh well, if the trees are still green then why are we still concerned? No danger at all, the plant is safe and healthy for humans..
by Caorso at 3/27/2011 10:12:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:12:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:12:57 PM
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@ALL I think this is new and relates bask to questions of strontium as a sign of vessel degradation/punture/leak.
www3.nhk.or.jpby marie rich at 3/27/2011 10:12:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:12:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:12:57 PM
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@NHK listener: OK, but aren't those trees some kind of fir or spruce ? Look like to me, but...
by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 10:12:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:12:55 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:12:55 PM
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@NHK Listener No, it is Spring, just like here. They are having unusually cold weather.
by Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 10:12:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:12:44 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:12:44 PM
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i just wonder if the wind was blowing towards Tokyo what would be the reaction then
by fiona at 3/27/2011 10:12:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:12:05 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:12:05 PM
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@nhk no idea how easy it is to get and apply large quantities of the solutions that the abstract says can be used to clean the concrete
by Markfm at 3/27/2011 10:11:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:11:56 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:11:56 PM
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@dean - the salt residue which has encrusted equipment , as I understand it , hinders cooling . My question is with so many unknown factors how deep could this crusting possibly be ?
by Salu at 3/27/2011 10:11:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:11:45 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:11:45 PM
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Somebody asked earlier about strontium and I think it possible that this Japan Today article has been edited because those commenting have obviously read something in the article about soil tests
www.japantoday.comby elainekirk at 3/27/2011 10:11:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:11:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:11:39 PM
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@Jo lindien: Worth doing the comparison. People interested in image comparison can analyse @mina: Third week since disaster has started. Let's see what happens in next 2-3 days
by Optim at 3/27/2011 10:11:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:11:25 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:11:25 PM
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@Mina : don't forget the salty water the tsunami brought. this can kill trees.
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 10:11:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:11:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:11:20 PM
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wolf... there are safety relief valves on the steel reactor vessel system and the taurus.. I'd have been surprised if they went off with just the earth quake.. unless damage occured at that time..
by dean at 3/27/2011 10:11:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:11:06 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:11:06 PM
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@Jo Lindien It is still winter there
by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 10:10:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:10:21 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:10:21 PM
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@Dean Just watched a documentary on Chernobyl. Seems they were worried about the molten mass of fuel dripping down through the concrete into pools of water below left from the firefighting operations - speculating that it could set off a massive explosion (which is why they sent in firefighters to pump the water out). Is that situation different in Fukushima? Is physical contact between molten reactor fuel and water from the spraying operations a concern? (link to the documentary here:
video.google.com )
by jay77 at 3/27/2011 10:10:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:10:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:10:20 PM
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@Optim: Someone explained here earlier that it took 3 weeks that the trees in Chernobyl turned brown, so it is too early to say something about that, I assume.
by Mina at 3/27/2011 10:10:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:10:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:10:08 PM
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@Jim Carver Ah good :)
by es at 3/27/2011 10:10:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:10:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:10:07 PM
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@Dean - fingers crossed
by fiona at 3/27/2011 10:09:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:09:49 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:09:49 PM
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john.. my personal opinion on water level in vessels.. I think they knew then the didn't and as the situation worsened they didn't have any level indications..
by dean at 3/27/2011 10:09:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:09:46 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:09:46 PM
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@optim: I noticed from yesterday that there seem to be yellowish trees. Maybe it's only a colour effect from the sun. Or maybe they are "burning" from radiation. It would need cam shots from before the 11 to compare and make sure...
by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 10:09:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:09:38 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:09:38 PM
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@fiona This will be a long term problem anyway you look at. Best senario is they stabilize everything and eventually clean the entire site.
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 10:09:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:09:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:09:18 PM
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@es Oh, sorry, I did mean Eric's comment.
by Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 10:09:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:09:12 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:09:12 PM
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@Markfm So It can be washed off somewhat.
by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 10:08:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:08:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:08:59 PM
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@dean, When the quake hit and some workers got locked inside one of the containment buildings, they reported steam coming from somewhere. Isnt it correct there is a specific valve that releases some steam into the containment in the event of a reactor scram ?
by WolfDK at 3/27/2011 10:08:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:08:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:08:28 PM
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I captured all the questions
by dean at 3/27/2011 10:08:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:08:25 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:08:25 PM
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I feel that currently situation is just about in control. The first thing that we will notice is color of trees thru' webcam. Currently they are all lush green pointing that radiation is not even threatening for trees. Not sure how that relation works wrt to humans/infants/toddlers/kids
by Optim at 3/27/2011 10:07:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:07:17 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:07:17 PM
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@Jo Lindien Yes, to me, too. But I have a TEPCAM fetish :(
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 10:07:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:07:14 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:07:14 PM
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@dean - i hear what you say - but Dean is this like a slow build up to a long term problem - sorry to put it so simply but i am not technical at all
by fiona at 3/27/2011 10:07:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:07:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:07:01 PM
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@VeenOui : acid rain has nothing to do with radiation. acud rains comes from pollution ( S ) in the air. radiation will not change the weather. rain will just washout the radiation from the air.
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 10:06:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:06:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:06:42 PM
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@dean Survey what they think caused #2 torus to rupture? Seems like the biggest unknown to me. Thanks
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 10:06:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:06:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:06:31 PM
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@dean, what you think about water level in reactors cores ? JAIF give the same data sience many days about those levels, how it is possible that there is no change ??
by John at 3/27/2011 10:06:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:06:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:06:27 PM
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@marie rich: thanks for noticing.... It seems to me like blackish smoke. Is it ?
by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 10:06:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:06:02 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:06:02 PM
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I will ask that veen... and report back..
by dean at 3/27/2011 10:05:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:05:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:05:18 PM
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@Dean: I'd like to have an opinion about #3 reactor. Comparing to #4 and documents we have seen about Mark I desing, it seems to me that the building has collapsed lower than the top of the spent fuel pool. If so, its integrity could not have been preserved. Anyone knowing this plant design saying that I'm wrong would be great....
by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 10:05:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:05:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:05:16 PM
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@Jim Carver Eric Shidler's comment is also interesting in that blog.
by es at 3/27/2011 10:05:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:05:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:05:08 PM
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Right, @George (on the pinned links, great idea). I will be in and out throughout this day but in a kinda unpredictable frequency. Cheers!
by alblee at 3/27/2011 10:04:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:04:50 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:04:50 PM
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yes optim... I hear on the news CNN a man who i would say is a dooms day type.. he says.. all hell will break loose.. but I don't think that .. it's not like chernobyl.. where a huge explosion ocurred as you alll know and spewed fuel all over... it's more like a huge radiation challenge
by dean at 3/27/2011 10:04:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:04:32 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:04:32 PM
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@dean Maybe ask about some consistecy concerning units of measurements so laypersons are not so confused?
by Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 10:03:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:03:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:03:41 PM
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by marie rich at 3/27/2011 10:03:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:03:11 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:03:11 PM
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@dean Yes, i have a question.
Does the Fukushima fallout have any effect on atmospheric conditions.......I am wondering if a change in weather pattern is possible as it was in Europe with Acid rain ?.thanks
by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 10:03:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:03:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:03:09 PM
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I think something like that jo... I made a comment some days ago.. these accidents are unprecedented in the nuclear industry and we are operating outside the normal set of emergency procedures for accidents at facilities. .so, each day different crises and they have to make up a reaction plan or recovery plan and to be honest.. it's difficult at besst
by dean at 3/27/2011 10:03:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:03:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:03:07 PM
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by Markfm edited by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 10:02:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:02:37 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:02:37 PM
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@Dean..I believe that the most important thing is to capture all experts' feeling about this. If they feel situation is getting better then we will feel good. If on the other hand they feel that things are getting worse..japanese folks better start worrying
by Optim at 3/27/2011 10:02:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:02:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:02:36 PM
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@alblee I am going to add links to the pinned comment and rebuild it daily on the fly as they appear each day
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 10:02:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:02:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:02:24 PM
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@Dean: so at least we known they're not trying to manipulate the fact; [Opinion] just in full panic, making mistakes without noticing... as they seem to be from the start...
by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 10:01:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:01:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:01:18 PM
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A comment left on Dr. Michio Kaku's blog (see Bob Ross) has another idea on why the TEPCO statement was retracted.
bigthink.comby Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 10:01:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:01:15 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:01:15 PM
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tomorrow I will be meeting with nuclear engineering and safety engineers to discuss the events... I will report back tomorrow what I find out... does anyone have any question they would like to post.. .I"ll try to capture them all
by dean at 3/27/2011 10:00:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:00:56 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:00:56 PM
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Does everyone have a link to the FB page for Reuters?
by ricky at 3/27/2011 10:00:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:00:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:00:36 PM
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About that businessweek article, why are they calling it the second worst nuclear accident in history already?
en.wikipedia.org this one looked pretty bad as well.. not a very populated area, but the amount of radioactive material released is pretty staggering.
by sims at 3/27/2011 10:00:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:00:15 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:00:15 PM
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@alblee mabuhay!
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 9:59:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:59:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:59:57 PM
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@elainekirk2001 I am going to see if that binding to concrete part is true.. It may take some time
by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 9:59:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:59:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:59:43 PM
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for everyone - Thank You :)
by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 9:59:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:59:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:59:04 PM
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@Tenzing Thank you !
by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 9:58:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:58:32 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:58:32 PM
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Good morning from my end (GMT+8). Great online board, @George Gibb. It's the start of the working week, and I will endeavor to follow as best I can throughout the day.
Big big thanks, @everybody, for keeping up the lively, edifying yet quite civil and very unfoul chatter, and for trying your best to stay on topic, fervently disagreeing but graciously holding back on personal attacks.
Thanks for keeping in mind some best practice points:
* including links of relevant SOURCES especially when flashing or passing forward news or tips
* indicating UTC/GMT timestamps wherever possible, as this is a board that involves running events and time-sensitive info.
Remember: Information is like eggs, the fresher, the better. Stay safe, stay cool. Be rods and pipes and pools that fuel, conduct and store knowledge in a constructive way. Go for clarity always, monitor and radiate nothing but love for each other.
by alblee at 3/27/2011 9:57:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:57:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:57:59 PM
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@Elaine go ahead and add that to the pinned news stories - just edit the pinned document and paste link -save
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 9:57:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:57:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:57:43 PM
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yep jo..
by dean at 3/27/2011 9:55:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:55:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:55:54 PM
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FYI: Radiation Network now has a monitor on Maui (my former home) that I didn't notice this morning and there are more monitors showing in So. Cal. scroll to btm of page for HI link.
www.radiationnetwork.comby Tenzing at 3/27/2011 9:55:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:55:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:55:27 PM
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@dean: so they might be right: they annouced more than 1000 mSv/h, which is 100000 x 10 uSv/h. The odd fact are this level is still increadibly high... May we conclude they panic to the point of not being able to compute a single division ? (cynical joke...)
by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 9:55:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:55:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:55:24 PM
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the boom detectors we use are adjustable with a switch that turns to different decade readings.. so you have to know what your looking for
by dean at 3/27/2011 9:54:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:54:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:54:53 PM
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Hopefully some good news, my friend's brother is an electrical engineer based in the UAE - his company specialises in undersea cabling. He's being sent to Sakhalin next week - perhaps the Russians can get a cable across to Hokkaido and start supplying Japan's eastern grid. Hopefully can post some concrete evidence about it soon
by andyjsha at 3/27/2011 9:54:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:54:11 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:54:11 PM
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marie.. you bring up a good point.. we use boom meters all the time to approach cautiously high rad areas.. but before hand it is all mapped out with a pre survey by rad tech personnel and put on an map..
by dean at 3/27/2011 9:54:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:54:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:54:01 PM
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jo.. in the reactors where I've worked the general level is 5mr/hr.. or less.. .which is in the range your talking..
by dean at 3/27/2011 9:53:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:53:06 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:53:06 PM
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This report says cesium 137 binds to concrete and there is so much concrete at fukushima that surely radiation levels ever falling to allow workers in for any length of time is doubtful?
www.businessweek.comby elainekirk at 3/27/2011 9:52:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:52:55 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:52:55 PM
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optim... I understood the news to say something like they will flop a hose using a portable sump pump down and then route the water to the condensation pit
by dean at 3/27/2011 9:51:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:51:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:51:41 PM
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are you saying that 100000 higher than the normal radiation level is good? well kudos to TEPCO because they found a way to tell you that 100.000 radiation level higher than normal level is good!
by Caorso at 3/27/2011 9:51:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:51:21 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:51:21 PM
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Yes, only 1000 milli sieverts/hr - don't think I want to build a house there
by Markfm at 3/27/2011 9:51:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:51:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:51:16 PM
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@Dean But couldn't the earlymeasure of 10mil. have been caused by them using the boom detectore? They're much more sensitive, and usually a radtech checks with a hand-held.
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 9:50:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:50:22 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:50:22 PM
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@dean: what is the level of radiation in a safe reactor ? Is it something like 10 uSv/h ?
by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 9:50:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:50:21 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:50:21 PM
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@Jim Carver I can archive to site to an excel spreadsheet from the control panel - yesterday was 365kB worth
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 9:50:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:50:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:50:16 PM
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@Dean If people cannot go into turbine chambers..how can they transport fresh water ? Workers went there to fix power cables right? Without power how can they do thsi transport? Bcos of high radiation levels workers cannot enter the turbine rooms
by Optim at 3/27/2011 9:50:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:50:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:50:07 PM
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The presence of highly-radioactive water is a serious concern in that it both can and will run off and must be presumed to be doing exactly that, but also because it precludes entry into the places where people have to go in order to get a cooling solution operating and stabilize the situation.
With that said however the early reports of a huge breach ("large vertical crack") in the containment are unlikely to be true. Among other things its damn hard to get a positive pressure reading in a container that has a big crack in it - and the pressure readings are positive and material. You're free to believe that TEPCO has been falsifying those numbers since the beginning, but that's the only explanation that jives with a violated containment, and more-importantly if there was a violated containment all of the water put in would have instantly flash-boiled into steam. We haven't seen anything from these plants that jives with that explanation.
market-ticker.orgby NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 9:49:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:49:55 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:49:55 PM
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mechanical instuments would be questioned as to there reliablity due to all the conditions they have been exposed to... many operate on very small orfices and totorances that have probably been effected by every thing. i would say they only give a "best quess"
by fitter at 3/27/2011 9:49:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:49:37 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:49:37 PM
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yes.. george.. that's about the time it takes for false information to trickle up to the top and trickle back down then back up and a retraction posted
by dean at 3/27/2011 9:49:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:49:37 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:49:37 PM
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OK I'm going to leave for a while and doom myself to reading 100 pages of scroll later. ;)
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 9:49:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:49:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:49:27 PM
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@dean That is correct. I've seen such corrections in other news agencies.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/27/2011 9:49:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:49:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:49:04 PM
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@George Maria Rich is saying on FB that this site is not archived. That's not true, right?
by Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 9:48:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:48:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:48:59 PM
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sounds like a rad technician miss-read his scale on the meter.. the ones where I work have to be switched to another level
by dean at 3/27/2011 9:48:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:48:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:48:59 PM
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@dean but it took 6 hrs to revise
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 9:48:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:48:47 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:48:47 PM
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on the way here I was listening to CNN and they were saying they retracted the 10 million to 100,000.. .
by dean at 3/27/2011 9:48:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:48:19 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:48:19 PM
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Is anybody using the RSS feed for this forum? I can't seem to get it to update...
by Audrey at 3/27/2011 9:48:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:48:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:48:08 PM
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@dean Yes. 10,000,000to 100,000 is a bit of a change.
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 9:48:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:48:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:48:07 PM
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Sorry, I meant yearly shift, not early.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/27/2011 9:48:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:48:03 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:48:03 PM
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@dean ya that 10 mil report last night was scary
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 9:47:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:47:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:47:59 PM
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ty marie
by dean at 3/27/2011 9:47:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:47:50 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:47:50 PM
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you know at this point.. I am amazed at the retraction of the rad levels.. I was flabergasted
by dean at 3/27/2011 9:47:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:47:05 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:47:05 PM
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re: radiation exposure. So there are places no one can go at all because they would immediately be exposed to over the 250 limit?
by ariadne at 3/27/2011 9:47:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:47:03 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:47:03 PM
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@Ralph Unger It wouldn't be the first time CNN has mistaken information or misquoted Japanese officials by it depends on what it is meant by shift. It could mean early shift.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/27/2011 9:46:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:46:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:46:51 PM
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@NHK Listener : well, radiation effects are not LNT. but this does not mean it is not dangerous. it simply means, some small amounts of radiation can cause the same cancer as a high amount. you cannot foresee it. some of the liquidators and Nagasaki victims are still alive despite their heavy burns. but others that might just have eaten asingle hot cherry, have died of radiation.
by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 9:46:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:46:44 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:46:44 PM
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good articles and video above... when I look at the plant 2 hold in the wall...I sure think that was the saving grace from blowing that building apart..
by dean at 3/27/2011 9:46:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:46:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:46:18 PM
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@Ralph: No, the reports can both be right.. it just means they're only allowed to do 1 150 mSv shift per year and the rest of the work has to be lower-radiation.
by sims at 3/27/2011 9:45:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:45:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:45:28 PM
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@sims Yes, but as Pedro pointed out, that's half the limit for most of world, inl USA
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 9:44:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:44:55 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:44:55 PM
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So the report of 150 per shift is wrong?
by Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 9:44:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:44:37 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:44:37 PM
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I hope so. Otherwise, it is going to be day laborers. Everybody gets s suit, a bucket and a mop and is told to go in and mop for ten minutes. They will never show up on company records. That is how things were done to clean up hazmat areas in West Germany three decades ago. Let us hope this will be different.
by Peter Melzer at 3/27/2011 9:44:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:44:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:44:31 PM
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by Treiagonaut edited by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 9:44:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:44:18 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:44:18 PM
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@sims Exactly.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/27/2011 9:44:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:44:13 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:44:13 PM
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@Ralph Unger: It's now a cumulative 250 mSv per YEAR afaik.
by sims at 3/27/2011 9:43:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:43:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:43:43 PM
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@Dean..what;s your take on water in turbine of R#2 beign 10 mill. times more radioactive and then tepco redacting the story. Smell smtg fishy? Even now they say that water is 10000 times more radioactive.
by Optim at 3/27/2011 9:43:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:43:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:43:36 PM
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@radioguy Dean brought that up a few days ago. Go Dean!
by marie rich at 3/27/2011 9:43:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:43:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:43:35 PM
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@Ralph Unger So what part of a lifetime does is that per shift?
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 9:43:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:43:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:43:35 PM
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"The owner of the stricken nuclear power complex in northeastern Japan said Saturday that it will hike the radiation exposure limit for its workers at the plant from 100 millisieverts per shift to 150 millisieverts, Japan's public broadcaster NHK reported." It is now 250 mSv per shift.
articles.cnn.comby Ralph Unger at 3/27/2011 9:42:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:42:25 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:42:25 PM
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@dean Also the youtube video from yesterday - very clean
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 9:42:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:42:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:42:20 PM
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The allthingsnuclear link above points to a Union of Concerned Scientists posting mentioning that the seals around the doors of the SFPs are air-filled seals, which stop being inflated when the power goes out, and then slowly lose pressure.
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 9:42:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:42:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:42:00 PM
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I will read them george.. ty for the info
by dean at 3/27/2011 9:41:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:41:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:41:04 PM
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@Tenzing: from the reports we get, they only recovered light in control rooms; which imho means that the only parameters they get are from mechanichal equipments (ie mesuring without the need of electricity)
by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 9:40:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:40:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:40:27 PM
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Hi Dean - couple stories that should interest you pinned at the top
by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 9:40:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:40:22 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:40:22 PM
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@jojo, your putting words in my mouth or extending on what I said. I am not saying they are not withholding data. They likely are. Someone other than greenpeace is pulling readings for that area. They are not sharing them with the group that runs the site with the readings. My point was that it is possible some of the existing stations were wiped out by the tsunami. So a little of both.
by Nancy at 3/27/2011 9:40:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:40:06 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:40:06 PM
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This may be helpful as well. "Unlike the cooling systems for the reactor core, the pumps for these pools typically don’t have backup power, so once electricity from the power grid was cut off, the pumps stopped operating.
Once that happened, the heat from the fuel rods began raising the temperature of the water in the pools. Once the water in a pool reached the boiling point, it would begin to boil away and lower the level of the water."
allthingsnuclear.orgby Tenzing at 3/27/2011 9:40:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:40:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:40:00 PM
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hello fiona
by dean at 3/27/2011 9:39:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:39:45 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:39:45 PM
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@Miles lol
by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 9:39:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:39:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:39:31 PM
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@elainekirk2001 And that includes Comcast.
by radioguy at 3/27/2011 9:39:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:39:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:39:28 PM
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@dean hello
by fiona at 3/27/2011 9:39:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:39:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:39:27 PM
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back for awhile.. after traveling for work today ...
by dean at 3/27/2011 9:39:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:39:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:39:09 PM
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back for awhile.. traveled to work today
by dean at 3/27/2011 9:39:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:39:03 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:39:03 PM
