by kgriff via Smbhax at 3/28/2011 3:06:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:06:49 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:06:49 PM
@VeenOui There are more high clouds now
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 3:06:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:06:46 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:06:46 PM
@VeenOui It's timestamp suggests it was updated 6 minutes ago.
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 3:06:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:06:34 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:06:34 PM
@Lethbridgen Well, you're not that old. ;-)
by Salvador at 3/28/2011 3:06:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:06:09 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:06:09 PM
@Natalie That video was awesome.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 3:05:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:05:49 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:05:49 PM
To me, the Webcam picture doesn't look like it has changed at all for two hours now?
by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 3:05:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:05:45 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:05:45 PM
@gumba That and gravity....oh, and it is downhill from the reactor to the ocean, right?
by pj at 3/28/2011 3:05:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:05:40 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:05:40 PM
Exactly.
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 3:05:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:05:18 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:05:18 PM
@RadioGuy I'm pretty sure I don't consider what is happening to be under control. :/
by pj at 3/28/2011 3:05:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:05:00 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:05:00 PM
Water always wins.
by gumba at 3/28/2011 3:04:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:04:52 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:04:52 PM
@pj it is, that is why we are concerned about radiation there, I can only figure that leaks in the walls or pipes could lead to radiation there.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 3:04:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:04:41 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:04:41 PM
Maybe it was a translation difference. Temporary in the sense that it happened once but is under control now.
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 3:04:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:04:25 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:04:25 PM
@Salvador: That was the year I was born! Hydrogen stress cracking, Radiation weakening plays a role in older vessels, not so much in older people.
by Lethbridgean at 3/28/2011 3:04:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:04:22 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:04:22 PM
Surprise! NOW they are using the word "meltdown" according to Kyodo News.
by MaryW at 3/28/2011 3:04:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:04:19 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:04:19 PM
BBC has had some questionable articles today - like half the story
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 3:04:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:04:01 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:04:01 PM
odd that the NHK vid showed smoke POURING out of #3 and the current tepco pic is showing a little wisp...
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/28/2011 3:03:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:03:53 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:03:53 PM
Edano isn't giving any details either
by CaraBnr at 3/28/2011 3:03:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:03:50 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:03:50 PM
LOL Good point Sal.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 3:03:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:03:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:03:13 PM
@Jojo Yeah, they are making that distinction in order to say that the animals they are looking at (like mice) don't migrate.
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 3:02:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:02:54 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:02:54 PM
@CaraBnr Have they even managed to keep it in the same building? When I looked at the map, I thought the turbine bldg was a separate facility/structure
by pj at 3/28/2011 3:02:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:02:52 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:02:52 PM
@pj sorry i forgot its monday in Japan oops
by Tenzing at 3/28/2011 3:02:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:02:44 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:02:44 PM
@CaraBnr at Chernobly they drilled holes and injected liquid nitrogen (cold) underneath the buidling
by kgriff at 3/28/2011 3:02:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:02:38 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:02:38 PM
@sgl What? "Partial meltdown of fuel rods believed to be temporary" ?!?!? That doesn't make ANY sense at all. If the partial meldown has happened, it won't go away again. Edano is speaking Gibberish. Or newspeak.
by Salvador at 3/28/2011 3:02:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:02:26 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:02:26 PM
@Jojo thats what it takes when high exposure is involved
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 3:02:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:02:20 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:02:20 PM
Partial meltdown believed to be temporary? What? Full meltdown to come?
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 3:02:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:02:19 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:02:19 PM
how can they keep the water from going underground?
by CaraBnr at 3/28/2011 3:01:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:01:55 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:01:55 PM
@George Gibb Wow, that is sad.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 3:01:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:01:45 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:01:45 PM
NEWS ADVISORY: Iodine-131 1,150 times normal level found in sea north of nuke plan
by sgl at 3/28/2011 3:01:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:01:40 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:01:40 PM
@pj 3/27/2011 8:01 PM PST NISA having a meeting right now...
Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano has just revealed on live TV that, after briefing him on some details, NISA is having a closed door meeting at this time to discuss the possibility of a reactor pressure vessel and/or drywell failure at Fukushima Daiichi No. 2 plant. They're positive that the water in the turbine building is coolant that was in contact with melted fuel.
by Tenzing at 3/28/2011 3:01:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:01:40 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:01:40 PM
And sorry if someone posted this a half hour ago, but:
by sgl at 3/28/2011 3:01:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:01:39 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:01:39 PM
from accident to finish
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 3:01:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:01:28 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:01:28 PM
@Salvador: Exactly, get really worried if they get upto 0.633Mpa, and that would be for a brand new unit.
by Lethbridgean at 3/28/2011 3:01:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:01:24 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:01:24 PM
@Jojo Chernobyl had almost 1,000,000 workers on it until the sarcophagus was finally finished
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 3:01:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:01:05 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:01:05 PM
NEWS ADVISORY: Locals within 20-km evacuation zone asked not to return for now
by sgl at 3/28/2011 3:00:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:00:47 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:00:47 PM
From what I have seen radiation is better then humans. More wildlife at Chernobyl after the accident.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 3:00:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:00:47 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:00:47 PM
NEWS ADVISORY: TEPCO's mishandling of info on nuclear crisis 'unacceptable': Edano
by sgl at 3/28/2011 3:00:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:00:30 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:00:30 PM
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BREAKING NEWS: Radioactive water from No. 2 reactor due to partial meltdown: Edano
by sgl at 3/28/2011 3:00:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 3:00:08 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:00:08 PM
@Lethbridgean Yeah, but Fukushima I reactor #1 is from 1971 and had an explosion happen that destroyed the building roof. I wouldn't bet much on that RPV.
by Salvador at 3/28/2011 2:59:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:59:51 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:59:51 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Partial meltdown of fuel rods believed to be temporary: Edano
by sgl at 3/28/2011 2:59:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:59:47 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:59:47 PM
@borrden: IF you do more research you will find out that many animals have lower life span. I think wikipedia explains this phenomenon clearly
by Optim at 3/28/2011 2:59:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:59:40 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:59:40 PM
@borrrden some animals survive, but others get mutations. Perhaps one the of true faces of the Chernobyl.. en.wikipedia.org
by kgriff at 3/28/2011 2:59:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:59:08 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:59:08 PM
@borrrden "There is a distinction to be made between animals which stay in one place, such as mice, and larger animals - elks, say - which move in and out of contaminated land as they range over large areas." Humans are not elks, you can't have people living there permanently.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:59:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:59:03 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:59:03 PM
S. Korea detects xenon. Obviously, Edano has spoken recently. Now citing partial meltdown. english.kyodonews.jp
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 2:58:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:58:51 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:58:51 PM
@Salvador: It won't cause a hydrogen boom a second time cause there is no building to contain the gas anymore. The big risk is rupture of the containment vessel. On a brand new unit it is designed to handle 1.5 times the normal operating pressure.
by Lethbridgean at 3/28/2011 2:57:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:57:23 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:57:23 PM
If the dose rate is going up www.tepco.co.jp how can they even have workers in there? The Sv rating is over 1 Sv/hour. Figure at 2 Sv/hour, you could only have a worker in contact with that water for 7 1/2 minutes before they were exposed to the cap of 250 mSv.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:57:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:57:00 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:57:00 PM
by kgriff via Fuku-tabi.jp at 3/28/2011 2:56:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:56:06 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:56:06 PM
by kgriff via Tif.ne.jp at 3/28/2011 2:55:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:55:11 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:55:11 PM
@jay77 For Cesium, that might be 200 years.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:55:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:55:00 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:55:00 PM
@pj: Edano is no longer coherent. At least earlier the lies were consistent.
by Optim at 3/28/2011 2:54:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:54:58 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:54:58 PM
"...do not return [to the evacuation zone] until the government has said it is safe to do so" - ie. 30-50 years.
by jay77 at 3/28/2011 2:54:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:54:39 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:54:39 PM
@Ralph Unger Yup. NIMBY is going to be huge after this in all countries, not just the West.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:54:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:54:35 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:54:35 PM
@Tenzing Yeah, I caught that and sort of choked. Who knew those three to eight days would be so critical? Oh yeah, whoever at LL wrote that paper
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:54:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:54:29 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:54:29 PM
The Gov accepts the liability, AKA taxpayers.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 2:54:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:54:18 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:54:18 PM
@RadioGuy Thats why its going so slow - stabilize and dismantle
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 2:53:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:53:57 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:53:57 PM
@RadioGuy True. There probably is no "bedrock" for a while.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:53:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:53:40 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:53:40 PM
@Jojo when you consider that much of northern Japan might be toxic? Look at the numbers, no company can build a nuclear power plant, the insurance cost is too great, only with Gov support and liability coverage can plants be built.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 2:53:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:53:34 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:53:34 PM
@pj also from the same LLNL document 3. "Parts of the cooling and makeup systems for spent fuel pools are not designed as seismic class 1 systems and as such failure of some components might be possible at relatively low seismic levels. However, the failure of cooling and makeup systems would not uncover the spent fuel assemblies for about 3 to 8 days; it is expected that some recovery action could be taken in this time period" www.iasmirt.org
by Tenzing at 3/28/2011 2:53:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:53:26 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:53:26 PM
Even though this forum focuses on the nuclear aspect of this disaster, I'd like to share this video with all of you. www.youtube.com
by Natalie at 3/28/2011 2:53:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:53:07 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:53:07 PM
I'm wondering how they secure this one for the long haul. It's not Chernobyl. It's on a changing coastline with changing water levels.
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 2:53:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:53:00 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:53:00 PM
@Optim Then it was a s**tload! Seriously, the contamination levels in the sea are *how* high?!?
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:52:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:52:45 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:52:45 PM
@Lethbridgean Well, the new data show that they are actually going over that pressure again in #1.
by Salvador at 3/28/2011 2:52:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:52:14 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:52:14 PM
nhk saying that radioactive water leaking might have been 1 time.... Huh
by Optim at 3/28/2011 2:51:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:51:56 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:51:56 PM
sorry, no gas for cow trucks.
by Pat at 3/28/2011 2:51:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:51:39 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:51:39 PM
@Ralph Unger And that's really the problem with nuclear power. When "something" happens, it's an absolute catastrophe.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:51:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:51:38 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:51:38 PM
@Bobby1 Understood. The problem is that we've had two once in a thousand environmental disaters at once. Maybe we'd better reevaluate how good our emergency plans are.
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 2:51:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:51:31 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:51:31 PM
@Pat Dairy farms don't usually transport their cows. And they never transport them all at once. My dairy farm is a family farm and it alone has over 200.
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 2:51:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:51:26 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:51:26 PM
@borrrden They should prepare for 1-in-10,000 years or 1-in-100,000 years.
by Bobby1 at 3/28/2011 2:51:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:51:22 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:51:22 PM
@Tenzing Thank you - I'll read it later...just skimmed it. Doesn't sound pretty thought if there is any damage to the SFP
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:51:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:51:19 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:51:19 PM
@Bobby, to put it simply , if there is a 1 in a million chance that something will happen, then that means it will happen .Eventually.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 2:50:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:50:58 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:50:58 PM
Conditions of Fukushima Dai-ichi Nuclear Power Station Unit 1-6, March 27, 2011: www.nisa.meti.go.jp
by dtinla at 3/28/2011 2:50:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:50:55 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:50:55 PM
@Jojo Many organizations are involved - providing assistance in many ways. Things are moving along albeit not as fast as everyone wants it to but the best scenario is stabilization and dismantle. The alternatives are not pretty in the longer term. This is TEPcos mess and has to clean it up.
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 2:50:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:50:47 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:50:47 PM
the N&O from Raleigh NC reported today that fears are high but the reality is that there are limited risks. These guys are killing me....
by CaraBnr at 3/28/2011 2:50:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:50:34 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:50:34 PM
@Bobby1 That would be 900 events per thousand years, or 0.9 events per year.
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 2:50:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:50:24 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:50:24 PM
Uh it's as easy as getting them to market isn't it?
by Pat at 3/28/2011 2:50:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:50:14 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:50:14 PM
@Salvador: they should never go over 70Psi or 0.476Mpa or the Drywell head would vent the Hydrogen.
by Lethbridgean at 3/28/2011 2:50:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:50:07 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:50:07 PM
@Pat Have you ever tried to move a herd of cows? Well I have....and it's ridiculously hard especially in the open.
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 2:49:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:49:31 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:49:31 PM
@RadioGuy Think of it this way. A once in a thousand years event. Improbable yes. Now consider 900 nuclear plants. What is the probability that any of them will experience a 1-1000 years event in the next year. I am too lazy to do the math, but it is high.
by Bobby1 at 3/28/2011 2:49:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:49:06 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:49:06 PM
They didn't evacuate the cows? well that figures.....
by Pat at 3/28/2011 2:48:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:48:54 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:48:54 PM
@Optim between a rock and a hot place
by kgriff at 3/28/2011 2:48:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:48:44 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:48:44 PM
@jojo : Japanese are caught between a rock and a hard place
by Optim at 3/28/2011 2:48:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:48:42 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:48:42 PM
@Salvador IIRC it is rated for only 65 PSI.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 2:48:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:48:25 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:48:25 PM
Japanese are caught between a rock and a hard place
by Optim at 3/28/2011 2:48:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:48:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:48:13 PM
@pj I hope this helps its from Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory "seismic induced failure of nuclear power plant spent fuel pools (SPF) may be ... The dry well shield wall bounds the spent fuel pool on the north side ..." this is for BWR and PWR www.iasmirt.org
by Tenzing at 3/28/2011 2:47:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:47:54 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:47:54 PM
@Jojo As someone I know said on the second day of this crisis, this is likely the end of the nuclear renaissance. As for being beyond the best minds...what has been done so far can't be undone. While I'm confident that things from here on out can be stabilized, it doesn't make the problems to date go away, obviously.
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:47:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:47:54 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:47:54 PM
@Optim That's a big roll of the dice to trust TEPCO though. They clearly are not up to the task, though I'd imagine that they are helping TEPCO however they can w/o looking like they are.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:47:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:47:36 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:47:36 PM
GE had zero tax liability in the US for the past two years, GE followed all the tax laws, GE also wrote most of the tax laws concerning it operations. www.nytimes.com
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 2:47:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:47:33 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:47:33 PM
@Ralp Unger 0.517 megapascal = 74.984 510 55 pound/square inch This is dangerous pressure in #1!
by Salvador at 3/28/2011 2:47:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:47:25 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:47:25 PM
by kgriff at 3/28/2011 2:46:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:46:56 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:46:56 PM
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@marie rich @Ralph Unger: Yes, I screwed up my longhand Math, 62Psi=0.427Mpa
by Lethbridgean at 3/28/2011 2:46:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:46:52 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:46:52 PM
@jojo..Nuclear industry exactly does not want it. Remember..during Oil spill all oil companies supported BP. They even submitted a petition saying that oil drilling is very safe. If Un gets involved they will dig deep and find out all the dirt. This might have wider repercussions
by Optim at 3/28/2011 2:46:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:46:37 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:46:37 PM
@Nancy I don't think it's off base at all to compare our preparedness for disasters that "can't happen" at all. We have two glaring failures a year apart.
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 2:46:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:46:24 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:46:24 PM
@pj I have heard that from a few people. That seriously is like a punch to the gut, because that means inevitably...what? Full core meltdown, explosion of nuclear material, ???
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:46:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:46:01 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:46:01 PM
@pj The clowns in charge of this are not exactly the best minds on the planet.
by Bobby1 at 3/28/2011 2:45:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:45:55 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:45:55 PM
If I was the nuclear industry I would lobby the UN RIGHT NOW to get involved to handle this. The longer this drags on , the more radiation,ending up destroying the entire industry (if it hasn't already).
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:45:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:45:07 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:45:07 PM
AMA and EPA and IAEA are all people in the business regulating people in the business.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 2:44:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:44:53 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:44:53 PM
@Jojo I'm not sure it isn't beyond the ability of the best minds in the world at this point. And I'm not entirely joking here
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:44:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:44:42 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:44:42 PM
Don't know If Im not able to multi task well. Double check
by CaraBnr at 3/28/2011 2:44:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:44:42 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:44:42 PM
@borrrden I'm not sure how involved the SDF is. It seems that is beyond the ability of whomever is handling this now.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:43:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:43:50 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:43:50 PM
@CaraBnr You quoted :NHK Edano says water in contact with temporarily melted fuel. But I wonder if it might be more accurate to say water temporarily in contact with melted fuel. (Joking, but only a little).
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:43:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:43:36 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:43:36 PM
Becasue they have the fukushima 50+, they have the minions to walk in there
by Pat at 3/28/2011 2:43:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:43:33 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:43:33 PM
@Jojo: Biggest tragedy of all. People whose gross mismanagement resulted in this are now in charge of fixing this. What the heck is IAEA doing? Why isn't Japan govt taking more active role? Questions galore...
by Optim at 3/28/2011 2:43:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:43:28 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:43:28 PM
Like doctors, we protect our own.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 2:42:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:42:20 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:42:20 PM
@Jojo Technically it is TEPCO and the SDF....right?
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 2:42:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:42:17 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:42:17 PM
How is this still in the hands of TEPCO?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:41:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:41:40 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:41:40 PM
The BP comparisons, they were caught using a recorded loop on their "live" underwater camera. An online group noticed it and someone pointed it out to the media. So some of the things people are claiming are not that far fetched.
by Nancy at 3/28/2011 2:41:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:41:38 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:41:38 PM
by Salu at 3/28/2011 2:41:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:41:28 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:41:28 PM
"I assume the fuel is not still melting, but this is something you should ask the experts" - Edano
THE EXPERTS WON'T TALK EITHER MR EDANO
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/28/2011 2:41:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:41:20 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:41:20 PM
@kgriff Looks like a very tranquil place to visit; do they have any Bed and Breakfasts in the area? /sarcasm
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:41:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:41:18 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:41:18 PM
But ask the experts
by CaraBnr at 3/28/2011 2:41:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:41:17 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:41:17 PM
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 2:41:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:41:16 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:41:16 PM
NHK Edano says water in contact with temporarily melted fuel.
by CaraBnr at 3/28/2011 2:41:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:41:10 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:41:10 PM
sorry -
by Salu at 3/28/2011 2:40:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:40:54 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:40:54 PM
@marie rich: Yes, according to Allthingsnuclear.org
by Lethbridgean at 3/28/2011 2:40:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:40:51 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:40:51 PM
Reminder : Former poster Sergey Nikitaev designed a page of links for researching
by Salu at 3/28/2011 2:40:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:40:34 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:40:34 PM
by kgriff via Pointscope01.jp at 3/28/2011 2:40:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:40:12 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:40:12 PM
People mentioned doing our own spreadsheet to track readings and stats. Not a bad idea. Greenpeace may already be doing that. Does anyone have a contact with them?
by Nancy at 3/28/2011 2:40:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:40:01 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:40:01 PM
dooo
by CaraBnr at 3/28/2011 2:39:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:39:48 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:39:48 PM
@Lethbridgean uh, i forgot to ask you, is that for reactor vessel, or where?
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 2:39:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:39:45 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:39:45 PM
good word Obsufication
by CaraBnr at 3/28/2011 2:39:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:39:31 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:39:31 PM
@CaraBnr You get an A-, 1,000,000 microsieverts not 100,000 :) You missed a zero.
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 2:39:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:39:23 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:39:23 PM
@CaraBnr I think the last number was off by an order of magnitude, wasn't it? 1 Sv=1000mSv 1,000,000 uSv
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:39:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:39:23 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:39:23 PM
@marie rich I noticed that obfuscation tactic on the BP disaster too. Mix it up. Keep it muddled.
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 2:38:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:38:45 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:38:45 PM
@Lethbridgean thank you. i've tried to find that out, no success
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 2:38:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:38:24 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:38:24 PM
Yes you do :-) Cara.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 2:38:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:38:02 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:38:02 PM
@CaraBnr is right...
by Optim at 3/28/2011 2:37:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:37:44 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:37:44 PM
@Sky: I read on allthingsnuclear.org that the design operating pressure is 62Psi. As readings In Japan are read in Mpa the conversion is 0.0089920Mpa.
by Lethbridgean at 3/28/2011 2:37:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:37:41 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:37:41 PM
I get an A
by CaraBnr at 3/28/2011 2:37:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:37:37 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:37:37 PM
@pj SEEEEE there you go! as my chinese instructors would say it makes you huli hutu!
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 2:37:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:37:31 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:37:31 PM
@pj Yes. They took an assessment and released it. People freaked out so they re-assessed it. And by MAGIC, the numbers got better! Seriously, there is no explanation as to the discrepancy, so I'll just chalk it up to magic or fairies or maybe Santa Claus.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:37:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:37:17 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:37:17 PM
I really don't like how willing Edano is to say "yes, we MAY let people back in for limited visits to get their things" - it's like admitting defeat while saving face.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/28/2011 2:37:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:37:02 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:37:02 PM
isn't 1 Sv+1000mSv +100000 uSv
by CaraBnr at 3/28/2011 2:37:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:37:00 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:37:00 PM
@Marie, correction. micro is u (Greek letter mu) and means 1,000,000. Milli is m and means 1,000. So 1000uSv = 1mSv = .001 Sv, not what you said. OK? Important that we be accurate with our use of units, I think.
by Sky at 3/28/2011 2:36:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:36:52 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:36:52 PM
1000 micro = 1 milli(mSv). 1000 milli = 1 sievert...(Sv)
by Optim at 3/28/2011 2:36:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:36:51 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:36:51 PM
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I remind you that I-134 has a half-life of 53 minutes.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 2:36:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:36:51 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:36:51 PM
So is TEPCO the only organization publicly releasing regular radiation levels? Are they taken from the same laces each time?
by Yuri at 3/28/2011 2:36:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:36:50 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:36:50 PM
1000 mSv = 1 sievert. 2 can kill you.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 2:36:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:36:45 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:36:45 PM
@marie rich I think 1000uSv is 1mSv
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:35:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:35:58 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:35:58 PM
@Yuri Even worse, they give numbers in varying values... if your gonna use microseiverts, do it all the time! Don't say 370usv one time and 370msv the next. and, hey, 1000usv is 1sv!
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 2:35:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:35:18 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:35:18 PM
Am I reading this: www.tepco.co.jp right and that all the data is for reactor 2 turbine building? Just assessed and reassesed?
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:35:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:35:14 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:35:14 PM
www.nisa.meti.go.jp I found the reading from last night for the I-134 in reactor 2 was 2.9 x 10e9Bq/cm3 . The highest radiation reported so far. THREE orders of magnitude higher than any of the others.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 2:34:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:34:46 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:34:46 PM
Japan radiation fear sparks South Korea diaper rush. www.reuters.com
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 2:33:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:33:58 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:33:58 PM
“Northern Ukraine is the cleanest part of the nation,” an official of Ukraine’s Academy of Sciences said at the time. “It has only radiation.”
Only radiation. That is small consolation for the evacuees in Japan and the workers, still dousing the reactors with hoses as though fighting a fire that could be put out. From NYT
by CaraBnr at 3/28/2011 2:33:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:33:29 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:33:29 PM
@ JIm Carver Interesting.
by CaraBnr at 3/28/2011 2:33:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:33:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:33:13 PM
@FradyKat THANK YOU! And yes, I'm yelling. :) I didn't scroll down far enough - sorry!
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:32:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:32:34 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:32:34 PM
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 2:32:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:32:07 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:32:07 PM
@pj - it says #1, not *1 - look again. They mean no reading available for 1,3,4
by FradyKat at 3/28/2011 2:31:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:31:50 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:31:50 PM
Gathering all the released radiation readings in one place may help us force attention to how poor the info is.
by Yuri at 3/28/2011 2:31:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:31:37 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:31:37 PM
NHK again starting....Live....
by CaraBnr at 3/28/2011 2:31:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:31:06 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:31:06 PM
@JoJo Agreed. I am having difficulty following all the different readings and where there sources are. We can create an online, shared spreadsheet here: www.google.com Im glad to help if someone could help suss out sources and create a template.
by Yuri at 3/28/2011 2:30:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:30:51 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:30:51 PM
Thanks?
by MaryW at 3/28/2011 2:30:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:30:42 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:30:42 PM
In the latest video released by SDF there are trees right besides reactor # 1 which are absolutely green. www3.nhk.or.jp
by Optim at 3/28/2011 2:30:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:30:28 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:30:28 PM
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/28/2011 2:30:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:30:12 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:30:12 PM
@MaryW sure. tepco webcam
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/28/2011 2:29:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:29:42 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:29:42 PM
Hmmm Jojo you got a point. I should look at the pictures again.
by Sky at 3/28/2011 2:29:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:29:39 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:29:39 PM
These trees are on a hill, I don't see enough change to come to any conclusions yet though,
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 2:29:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:29:31 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:29:31 PM
@Dennis Tucker Jr: Can we get a picture of these color-changing trees??
by MaryW at 3/28/2011 2:29:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:29:24 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:29:24 PM
Those trees are a little higher up to be concerned about root drowning imo
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/28/2011 2:29:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:29:21 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:29:21 PM
@Sky But wouldn't that mean all the trees in the area would have the same discoloration?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:29:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:29:09 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:29:09 PM
@Dennis Tucker Jr The trees are on a hill, it is unclear if the tsunami got high enough to affect them.
by Bobby1 at 3/28/2011 2:28:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:28:57 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:28:57 PM
www.nisa.meti.go.jp In that document, if you check the line for spent fuel pool water, it lists temperatures for 2, 5 and 6 and says dry well for 1, 3 and 4. This is the WATER they are referencing. Dry well? I sure hope not!
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:28:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:28:49 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:28:49 PM
@Dennis, we didn't rule out that could be from the innundation with sea water when the tsunami swept over. Many species of trees also can't stand having their roots drowned even in plain water.
by Sky at 3/28/2011 2:28:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:28:28 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:28:28 PM
The tepco webcam shows absolutely clear picture. As if nothing is happening or has happened
by Optim at 3/28/2011 2:28:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:28:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:28:13 PM
@Dennis Tucker Jr Wow, more echoes of Chernobyl.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:28:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:28:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:28:13 PM
@Yuri Don't know but it would be great. It's a shame that we have to do that ourselves.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:27:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:27:45 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:27:45 PM
The trees are indeed turning red/brown now.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/28/2011 2:27:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:27:34 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:27:34 PM
Right, but 2, 5 and 6 list temperatures. 1, 3 and 4 say dry well...
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:27:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:27:09 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:27:09 PM
And has nothing to do with the spent or storage fuel pools.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 2:26:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:26:58 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:26:58 PM
@dtinla Thanks
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 2:26:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:26:43 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:26:43 PM
8OOOPS* CAP LOCK
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 2:26:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:26:40 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:26:40 PM
@pj Its the concrete vase shaped thing around thhe reactor vessel. iT'S ANOTHER LAYER OF CONTAINMENT
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 2:26:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:26:23 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:26:23 PM
Oops...somehow sent the same post - sorry! Marie's link from earlier is the one - one pool shows a temp of 67C, the other three are footnoted with a 1 which leads to the term dry well.
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:26:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:26:18 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:26:18 PM
Kyodo News: S Korea detects small amount radioactive xenon. Now they will begin testing every day, previously once a week.
by MaryW at 3/28/2011 2:26:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:26:00 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:26:00 PM
plz pardon if this is irrelevant to the convo or if it's been posted before...i'm mostly a lurker ...thank you all... The result of nuclide analysis in the stagnant water on the basement floor of the turbine building of each Unit of
Fukushima Dai-ichi Nuclear Power Station www.nisa.meti.go.jp
by dtinla at 3/28/2011 2:25:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:25:59 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:25:59 PM
@pj ? very good point. pls link story.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 2:25:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:25:41 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:25:41 PM
@marie rich I'm sorry - what the h*ll does DRY WELL mean when referring to spent fuel pool temperature.
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:25:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:25:32 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:25:32 PM
@Yuri George says he's getting it.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 2:25:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:25:26 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:25:26 PM
@Ralph Unger Ha! :) Good news is that I saw some group file a NOIA request for DOE radiation data in Japan. Someone will file a request soon for US data, just a matter of time.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:25:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:25:18 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:25:18 PM
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@pj Peter is prob better one to ask, but I'm pretty sure it meaans the same as containment vessel or c/v
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 2:25:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:25:08 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:25:08 PM
Oh, man...did anyone catch the unit no. from CNN?
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 2:24:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:24:18 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:24:18 PM
An old phrase we used to have at work, "I'm a mushroom, they keep me in the dark and feed me S**t.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 2:24:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:24:10 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:24:10 PM
@marie rich I'm sorry - what the h*ll does DRY WELL mean when referring to spent fuel pool temperature.
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:23:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:23:58 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:23:58 PM
You guys should read that last one I posted from the Times. Talks about how US is better prepared.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 2:23:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:23:45 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:23:45 PM
Is anyone keeping a spreadsheet of all these readings that get released, even if there are problems with the data? be good to at least start centralizing data. Or does this already exist?
by Yuri at 3/28/2011 2:23:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:23:28 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:23:28 PM
@marie i did not catch the reactor number
by ricky at 3/28/2011 2:23:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:23:15 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:23:15 PM
Isn't that a bit disconcerting to everyone that you never see the actual radiation levels outside Japan? At least I haven't, I'd love to be proven wrong.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:22:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:22:47 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:22:47 PM
@ricky HA DOUBLE HA was it unit 1 ?
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 2:22:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:22:34 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:22:34 PM
@Jojo I realize that, but if they find Xenon in CA and later in Nevada and later in Colorado... you get an idea of what is going on... a very rough idea, but something.
by Meretisa at 3/28/2011 2:22:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:22:34 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:22:34 PM
@Meretisa Absolutely, but there is no hard data for any of these releases. Only a pat on the head and a "don't worry, everything is fine".
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:21:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:21:35 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:21:35 PM
Because someone mentioned "A Princess Bride" I will mention "Naked Gun" Nothing to see here, move along, nothing to see here.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 2:21:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:21:27 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:21:27 PM
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 2:21:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:21:20 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:21:20 PM
@pj plant parameters dated 27 mar
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 2:20:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:20:57 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:20:57 PM
@Jojo The point may not be in how much they are detecting, but where and when. There is value in tracking that at least, I think.
by Meretisa at 3/28/2011 2:20:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:20:52 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:20:52 PM
@Sky, you just have to focus on some peaks, like, I cannot remember quite precisely, Tc-99m has got a peak at 0.7 MeV. So you check at that energy, then check again one half-life later. The peak should be halfway down, if there is Tc-99m. When looking at a decay chain, as the mother decays, you ought see the peaks of the daughters rise. So from repeated measures and comparing the spectra, you can infer a lot about what is in the soup. Metastabile radioisotopes are particularly helpful, because they decay producing a line peak which is easy to discriminate.
by Peter Melzer at 3/28/2011 2:20:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:20:40 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:20:40 PM
@marie it was a live cnn update which said that pressure in one of the reactors was increasing according to japanese officials and it had just come across the wire s an urgent update.
by ricky at 3/28/2011 2:20:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:20:11 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:20:11 PM
I love how every story, whether it's in S.Korea or US, always ends in "The center said the level of the radioactive material poses no concern for health and environment." without saying what the levels are.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:20:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:20:03 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:20:03 PM
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 2:20:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:20:03 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:20:03 PM
Old data though.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 2:19:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:19:50 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:19:50 PM
"In Tour, U.S. Nuclear Plant Opens Doors to Make Case",
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 2:19:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:19:37 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:19:37 PM
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 2:19:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:19:24 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:19:24 PM
xenon... what about pluton?
by Poland at 3/28/2011 2:18:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:18:52 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:18:52 PM
@Sky The fella from CNIC was worried about #1 and the temperature of 300 C at the bottom of the pressure vessel. I have seen a lower temperature since, but who knows?
by Bobby1 at 3/28/2011 2:18:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:18:33 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:18:33 PM
did you see kyodo news story about xenon in s. korea?
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 2:18:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:18:16 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:18:16 PM
by Poland at 3/28/2011 2:18:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:18:05 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:18:05 PM
@Sky Yup. Had anyone seen recent temperature data for the spent fuel pools?
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:17:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:17:53 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:17:53 PM
@pj right, and also have to know how much water they are adding to it and whether any intentional venting is being done.
by Sky at 3/28/2011 2:17:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:17:07 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:17:07 PM
@Marie, I feel like I have seen that number somewhere in the past week but can't recall where. Have read so many documents my mind is a swirl --- you know the feeling, no doubt!
by Sky at 3/28/2011 2:16:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:16:16 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:16:16 PM
@Sky It wouldn't just be the pressure excursions - I think we might actually have to have accurate temperatures to do anything meaningful.
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:15:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:15:46 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:15:46 PM
@Matsuoka G'night
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:14:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:14:21 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:14:21 PM
@Matsuoka Night!
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:14:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:14:03 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:14:03 PM
@Jojo Hey, at least they didn't do the "oops, we were only off by a few orders of magnitude in our calculation" think twice....yet
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:13:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:13:50 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:13:50 PM
NEWS ADVISORY: Iodine-131 1,150 times normal level found in sea north of nuke plant (10:59)
NEWS ADVISORY: Iodine-131 1,150 times normal level found in sea north of nuke plant (10:59)
english.kyodonews.jp
by mainejen at 3/28/2011 2:13:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:13:45 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:13:45 PM
@Matsuoka G'night! Dream us up some insight :)
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 2:13:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:13:36 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:13:36 PM
@Tensing: I'm thinking the same as you. Actually, I'm wondering if the place can withstand the seismic activity given its current condition and don't even want to imagine another tsunami.
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 2:12:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:12:57 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:12:57 PM
@Sky alas, i do not know. Dean would....any good fact-finders want to assist?
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 2:12:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:12:54 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:12:54 PM
ok, i got the measurings, i will take them to bed and sleep on them. tomorrow i shall be able to explain everything. ;) good night.
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 2:12:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:12:42 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:12:42 PM
OK, that's the difference. The other Iodine readings were south of the plant.
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 2:11:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:11:25 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:11:25 PM
Marie, your study of the pressure history on No. 1 is important. Do you recall the design pressure, and its excursions above and below that?
by Sky at 3/28/2011 2:11:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:11:06 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:11:06 PM
Guess I'm onto the Times articles today, well it's Sunday, gotta read the 'Times', "Radiation’s Enduring Afterglow", www.nytimes.com
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 2:11:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:11:06 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:11:06 PM
all Beautiful Minds :) if they were loading or unloading fuel from the reactor or SFP at the time of the quake/tusnami how would that effect your whatever it is your doing with your Beautiful Minds right now. Hope I'm not disturbing you :)
by Tenzing at 3/28/2011 2:10:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:10:48 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:10:48 PM
Tokyo water looks completely safe at this moment.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 2:10:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:10:41 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:10:41 PM
Fox just reported the 6.1 earthquake.
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 2:10:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:10:19 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:10:19 PM
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"Regrettably, we don't have a concrete schedule at the moment to enable us to say in how many months or years the crisis will be over," TEPCO vice-president Sakae Muto said in the latest of round-the-clock briefings the company holds. AGENCIES
by elainekirk at 3/28/2011 2:09:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:09:55 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:09:55 PM
CNN?? what's up. I've been researching
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 2:09:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:09:52 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:09:52 PM
Those readings were in the seawater, not Tokyo drinking water.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 2:09:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:09:45 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:09:45 PM
Love the quote from CNN: "But Tokyo Electric said that figure is a mere 100,000 times normal levels for reactor coolant, not the 10 million times normal reported Sunday. Sarcasm much?
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:09:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:09:24 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:09:24 PM
Thank you Peter Meltzer. If the sample is emitting gamma rays the multi channel analyzer would be useful. If there are an awful lot of different isotopes in the blend, some of their gamma ray spectra will overlap and there is a possibility of some confusion, I suppose. But we are getting closer to answers. I am proud of this team and what you folks are accomplishing.
by Sky at 3/28/2011 2:09:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:09:22 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:09:22 PM
I know I can really beat a dead horse, but I think they mihgt end up with more trouble on unit 1. The pressure has been steadily rising.
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 2:09:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:09:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:09:13 PM
@pj See, that's been our problem all along. We just have to BELIEVE we can fly (and the radiation numbers to go down). We had the power the whole time :)
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:08:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:08:58 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:08:58 PM
@Ralph_Unger, any insight on today's retail bottled water supply and quick-comfort-food situation in metro Tokyo? Thanks.
by alblee at 3/28/2011 2:08:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:08:31 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:08:31 PM
@RadioGuy The headline just says NORTH of the plant, not by the plant or next to it, whatever they said before. So it makes me wonder. I guess we'll get the details in an hour or so.
by Diane at 3/28/2011 2:08:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:08:27 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:08:27 PM
Recent readings show an increase in Bq concentation: La-140 almost doubled, Ba-140 up 40%, etc. Anyone know implications? www.tepco.co.jp
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:07:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:07:50 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:07:50 PM
Re: the iodine story. That number has been up and down hasn't it? 1,250 then 1,850. Or is the news that it's in a different location.
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 2:07:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:07:31 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:07:31 PM
@Jojo Love the Tink comment - but you have to not do that, or I'm going to wake the little people who are supposed to be sleeping!
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:06:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:06:32 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:06:32 PM
cnn got urgent message over wire from japanese official
by ricky at 3/28/2011 2:06:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:06:31 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:06:31 PM
8 days for iodine -131 half-life. Which is consistent with the readings I get from Tokyo.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 2:05:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:05:54 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:05:54 PM
@pj Sorry, my bad.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:05:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:05:51 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:05:51 PM
There is a concept in quantum physics called "negative information". In this case, we may know less than if they never said anything.
by Bobby1 at 3/28/2011 2:05:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:05:42 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:05:42 PM
Here are the original measurements before Tinkerbell sprayed them with magic pixie dust to make the readings better: www.meti.go.jp
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:05:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:05:37 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:05:37 PM
I think the dot was the issue
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:05:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:05:34 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:05:34 PM
according to cnn rising temp in one of the reactors.
by ricky at 3/28/2011 2:05:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:05:33 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:05:33 PM
@Jojo drop the extra dot after the pdf
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 2:05:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:05:18 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:05:18 PM
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:04:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:04:21 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:04:21 PM
NEWS ADVISORY: Iodine-131 1,150 times normal level found in sea north of nuke plant (10:59) (Kyodo) Does anybody have any details? How far was this measurement taken?
by Diane at 3/28/2011 2:04:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:04:10 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:04:10 PM
Yeah in the absence of news, we're reduced to wondering.
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 2:03:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:03:50 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:03:50 PM
Okay, so you can determine the composition of gamma-emitters with a multi-channel analyzer. This instrument can read out the energy spectrum of the detect decays. Each radio-isotope has got a characteristic energy peaks. From those peaks you can deduce what isotopes are in the sample. Of course, the longer you wait with your measurement, the more likely the short-lived isotopes escape your measurement. How is this for a start?
by Peter Melzer at 3/28/2011 2:03:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:03:41 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:03:41 PM
@marie rich That's what I was thinking, but as a pp post pointed out, they can look for daughter isotopes, if they are so inclined (I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but I've got to how inclined would they really be?!).
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:03:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:03:36 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:03:36 PM
@RadioGuy Or maybe it was the Easter Bunny that magically made it disappear. Anything's possible.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:03:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:03:18 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:03:18 PM
@Jojo : page not found ! they deleted the first measurings !!!
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 2:03:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:03:03 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:03:03 PM
@marie rich yep
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 2:02:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:02:43 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:02:43 PM
After 520 minutes it would be hard to detect.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 2:02:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:02:31 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:02:31 PM
@Jojo I wonder if the testers listed the Cl38 that one time and then someone pointed out the implications so they decided they should omit the numbers of the telltales.
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 2:02:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:02:25 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:02:25 PM
@pj yeah, cessium134 half life of 52 min, so it's 'whole life' would be gone, right?
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 2:01:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:01:58 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:01:58 PM
Bad news is that the new data shows INCREASED Bq for most elements except for Tc-99m. La-140 almost doubled, for example.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:01:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:01:58 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:01:58 PM
Half life time10 x make most things be gone. If half life is 5 minutes, 50 mins would make most of it disappear.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 2:01:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:01:22 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:01:22 PM
Oops, here is the link www.tepco.co.jp It shows the original measurement, the "magic" re-assessment, the re-measurement, and new data.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:01:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:01:07 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:01:07 PM
In any case
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 2:00:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:00:41 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:00:41 PM
@Jojo : can you link that report once more ? please
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 2:00:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:00:28 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:00:28 PM
@Jim Carver Yeah, the fact they're looking for Tc itself...they can wait FOREVER and still find that puppy. Sad...
by pj at 3/28/2011 2:00:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:00:19 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:00:19 PM
Unless they volitized or got mis-handled or some such. notq
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 2:00:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:00:16 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:00:16 PM
Waiting to do the tests on the samples for any period of time would show less of the low half-life products.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 1:59:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:59:39 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:59:39 PM
@pj They wouldn't detect that isotope that decayed, but you can measure daughter decay products.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 1:59:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:59:16 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:59:16 PM
desinformation.
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 1:58:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:58:43 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:58:43 PM
@Ralph Unger ?? Not sure what you mean??
by pj at 3/28/2011 1:58:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:58:32 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:58:32 PM
@Matsuoka Political policy, similar to US policy in the 50's (and maybe now).
by Bobby1 at 3/28/2011 1:58:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:58:12 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:58:12 PM
As Dean would say, an "A" for pj.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 1:57:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:57:49 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:57:49 PM
@Bobby1 : sure, they want to exhaust us.
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 1:57:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:57:25 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:57:25 PM
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The daughter products and their abundance tells a lot.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 1:57:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:57:17 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:57:17 PM
Okay, if they collect the sample at 0850 and don't actually assay it until 1850, would they even SEE any of the shorter-lived isotopes at all?! And for the metastable isotopes, you're talking more than a half-life later. This means the original activity was at least TWICE what they list unless they corrected for the decay (assuming first-order decay.... is that true/right for radioactive decay?).
by pj at 3/28/2011 1:57:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:57:08 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:57:08 PM
@Matsuoka THey must have detected those elements, just "below the limit" for a danger. If they weren't there at all, why even list them on the report?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 1:57:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:57:04 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:57:04 PM
@Matsuoka Intentional confusion.
by Bobby1 at 3/28/2011 1:56:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:56:32 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:56:32 PM
@Sky We would look for a suite of minerals (chemicals) that have a particular distribution of isotopes to find a source area. They don't even have to be radioactive.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 1:55:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:55:46 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:55:46 PM
tepco got me totally confused. they analyzed the water and found iodine, cadmium, chlorine38, cobalt60, cesium137 and other nasty things in there that make some sense, but now i don't know if this is still valid.
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 1:55:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:55:30 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:55:30 PM
These are the 27th enviromental monitoring samples www.mext.go.jp
by elainekirk at 3/28/2011 1:52:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:52:56 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:52:56 PM
I would like an expert to explain to us what kind of test(s) would typically be used to detect concentrations of multiple isotopes in a water sample. Whether the test detects everything over a certain concentration (mass spectroscopy?) or only specific elements that are tested for chemically? I presume they are interested in finding out everything that is in the sample, not just specific elements of interest.
by Sky at 3/28/2011 1:52:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:52:24 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:52:24 PM
@Jojo Oh, super - it isn't as if Tc-99m decays to something radioactive with a 211,000 year half-life, right? Yeah, it's a beta-emitter, but it's still freakin' radioactive. :/
by pj at 3/28/2011 1:52:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:52:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:52:13 PM
U.N.’s Nuclear Chief Says Japan Is ‘Far From the End’ , www.nytimes.com
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 1:52:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:52:08 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:52:08 PM
@Ralph Unger de.wikipedia.org "Die weitere Regelung findet mittels Steuerstäben aus Borcarbid, Hafnium oder Cadmium statt." you cannot find this in the English wiktionary.
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 1:52:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:52:03 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:52:03 PM
For that TEPCO release, it's unclear: did they find ALL those elements listed, or just the ones they have amounts. For example for Co-56, it magically disappeared in their re-assessment, to now it shows "under the limit". Does that mean 0 or just under the minimum for safety reasons?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 1:50:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:50:24 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:50:24 PM
@pj There was a round of wondering earlier about that. Mostly about why there was never any followup. It's just another of those random, loose ends of data clustered around this.
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 1:49:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:49:41 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:49:41 PM
Please post the link Matsuoka.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 1:49:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:49:04 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:49:04 PM
the moderator rods in BWR consist of Borcarbid, Hafnium or Cadmium. i think they found cadmium in the puddles.
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 1:48:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:48:16 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:48:16 PM
@Jojo @Matsuoka I don't know...am hoping someone could provide more info - I just noticed that isotope in the table and wondered about it. It wasn't something I was familiar with. So Jojo, they didn't even have the right isotopes listed in that release?!?
by pj at 3/28/2011 1:47:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:47:38 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:47:38 PM
ty for that link Ralp
by Salvador at 3/28/2011 1:47:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:47:32 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:47:32 PM
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 1:46:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:46:42 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:46:42 PM
this situation reminds me of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, when the gov't admitted it didn't have the expertise to deal with it and depended on industry--well japans industry is panicked and TEPCO certainly is overwhelmed. We need a coordinated international response immediately-- airlift those robots sitting in germany and france over--
by mainejen at 3/28/2011 1:46:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:46:27 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:46:27 PM
Here is what they have in terms of their "reassessed" numbers: Tc-99m
I-131
Cs-134
Cs-136
Cs-137
Ba-140
La-140
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 1:46:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:46:18 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:46:18 PM
I have found another pdf of soil readings www.mext.go.jp
by elainekirk at 3/28/2011 1:45:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:45:10 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:45:10 PM
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 1:45:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:45:03 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:45:03 PM
If it is 1 mSv north of the main building, that is where workers not even working might be, then what might it be closer to the buildings? At 1 mSv per hour most workers not even in the plant would be reaching their limit of 250 mSv per year. If they were there 24 hours a day from the beginning of this accident..
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 1:43:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:43:54 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:43:54 PM
@Ralp Unger Last data I saw from the main building of the plant was 1300 micro/Sievert at the 26th. www.nisa.meti.go.jp
by Salvador at 3/28/2011 1:43:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:43:25 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:43:25 PM
the Cl38 thing is interesting, but didn't they withdraw it ? or was it a different analysis. it's late and i amgetting confused.
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 1:43:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:43:19 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:43:19 PM
@Jim Carver - thanks
but the ending is kinda ominous www.youtube.com
by openmind at 3/28/2011 1:43:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:43:02 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:43:02 PM
by pj at 3/28/2011 1:41:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:41:26 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:41:26 PM
"Japanese Rules for Nuclear Plants Relied on Old Science", www.nytimes.com
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 1:41:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:41:22 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:41:22 PM
NHK Live again?
by CaraBnr at 3/28/2011 1:41:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:41:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:41:13 PM
Light southerly winds in region, how fortunate there is a high pressure area over Japan - it keep winds light, and tends to keep air from rising www.jma.go.jp
by Bobby1 at 3/28/2011 1:41:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:41:09 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:41:09 PM
@Matsuoka I wondered about the chlorine-38 indicated in this thing...
by pj at 3/28/2011 1:41:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:41:06 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:41:06 PM
@Matsuoka Actually, I think you're right. I think that's why they're testing for Barium (Ba). I'm guessing it might be part of the zirc.-alloy cladding. People leave clues to what they're doing without realizing others might catch on
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 1:40:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:40:53 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:40:53 PM
@Matsuoka I think about the best they can do with all of the water they're pouring on that place is define radiation proximities.
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 1:39:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:39:10 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:39:10 PM
What do you think those variable readings mean, Ralph?
by Sky at 3/28/2011 1:38:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:38:56 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:38:56 PM
i also learned today that they should find Cl38 if there is a fission ...
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 1:38:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:38:41 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:38:41 PM
the control rods are said to be melting on about 350 centigrades. maybe they have melted meanwhile and you would be able to find their isotopes in the puddles as well.
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 1:36:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:36:47 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:36:47 PM
@openmind funny
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 1:36:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:36:20 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:36:20 PM
*sorry* not #4
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 1:35:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:35:59 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:35:59 PM
Just a mental exercise. I hope my formatting comes through. March 18th 8:10 PM West Gate 447.６ μSv/h
March 18th 8:00 PM North of Main Building 3,611.0 μSv/h
8 times more north of main building.
March 26th 3:00 AM West Gate 126.7 μSv/h
so it might be about like this if it were posted.
March 26th 3:00 AM North of Main Building 1013.6 μSv/h
There are many instances where the readings were more then 10 times different.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 1:35:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:35:53 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:35:53 PM
@Matsuoka I think it's what they're not seeing (sorry, Ralph, I know i'm no expert). If They see strontium90 (unit12&4) or plutonium (unit3), reactor core for sure. The other isotopes can come from spent fuel.
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 1:35:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:35:32 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:35:32 PM
A very cute animated video about BWR nuclear reactors... until the very end
by openmind at 3/28/2011 1:34:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:34:35 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:34:35 PM
Thank you All. Earlier discussion was noted on how quickly readings could be done with certain instruments. I thought it was odd only 2x's a week ....
by Salu at 3/28/2011 1:34:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:34:31 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:34:31 PM
@Salu I was thinking the same. Twice a week sounds strange.
by Diane at 3/28/2011 1:32:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:32:22 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:32:22 PM
@Salu No good reason. we all discussed this several pages back. There are ways to measure it in minutes....
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 1:32:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:32:16 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:32:16 PM
Inject Different dyes to the different coolant systems.
by gumba at 3/28/2011 1:31:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:31:44 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:31:44 PM
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 1:31:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:31:17 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:31:17 PM
The half life of products will tell you the source. but with possible fission in the fuel pools, who can say? Looking for an expert opinion response here.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 1:31:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:31:04 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:31:04 PM
Question - would one of you explain why soil samples shall be done twice a week and not daily ? Looking for plutonium per NHK link posted below.
by Salu at 3/28/2011 1:30:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:30:47 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:30:47 PM
@Matsuoka Thanks for the info. Has anyone figured out what the implications of the fission reaction are based on the quantity of by-products? And how that bodes for the present and future for the reactor?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 1:30:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:30:41 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:30:41 PM
thanks dean.
by elise at 3/28/2011 1:29:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:29:30 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:29:30 PM
Another tsunami warning (lifted, thank God). Besides, the struggle to remove the water, has anything else happened? Thanks.
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 1:29:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:29:24 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:29:24 PM
well, the water in the puddles - i don't see how one could decide if it comes from the vessel or the pool. there is a connection between SPF and reactor vessel. i think they have a common inner cooling, so it might get difficult to find the source.
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 1:28:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:28:43 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:28:43 PM
KGB? I dunno, the government did pressure them to do the test.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 1:28:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:28:41 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:28:41 PM
When the spike hit they had no idea what to do.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 1:27:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:27:54 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:27:54 PM
@ Marie A shutdown was a part of the test and inexperienced night operators were on duty, the test was scheduled for that day, which helped lead to the disaster at Chernobyl.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 1:27:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:27:29 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:27:29 PM
I thought pressure up in 1
by carBnr at 3/28/2011 1:27:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:27:26 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:27:26 PM
thanks
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 1:27:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:27:17 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:27:17 PM
Think so
by carBnr at 3/28/2011 1:27:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:27:00 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:27:00 PM
Correction I think they said temperature... tuned in kind of late
by Diane at 3/28/2011 1:26:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:26:56 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:26:56 PM
@carBnr is the nhk new?
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 1:26:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:26:38 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:26:38 PM
NHK live pressure in 1 rising if I heard correctly
by Diane at 3/28/2011 1:25:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:25:28 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:25:28 PM
@marie rich : aha, thanks.
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 1:25:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:25:11 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:25:11 PM
thanks dean.
by elise at 3/28/2011 1:25:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:25:03 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:25:03 PM
: )
by dean at 3/28/2011 1:24:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:24:56 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:24:56 PM
@dyan : yep.
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 1:24:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:24:43 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:24:43 PM
@dean Night, Teach ;)
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 1:24:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:24:31 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:24:31 PM
@George: Thanks for putting all the links up.
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 1:24:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:24:30 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:24:30 PM
@dean Thanks Dean =)
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 1:24:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:24:29 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:24:29 PM
NHK Live
by carBnr at 3/28/2011 1:24:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:24:06 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:24:06 PM
@Matsuoka sorry- talking about puddles to jojo, and glowing to you
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 1:24:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:24:05 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:24:05 PM
good night all.. I must rest now... see you soon
by dean at 3/28/2011 1:24:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:24:03 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:24:03 PM
@dean :) Thanks, I'll study up
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 1:23:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:23:07 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:23:07 PM
Got it from an email I sent ~ You want a reactor to be "under moderated". That way if you lose moderation - the reactivity of the
reactor will go down - as will the power. In the RBMK, it was "over moderated" - it had more than
enough graphite moderator to do the job - and the excess actually interferes with the reaction. In such
a reactor, when the graphite heats up, and the effective moderation goes down - you are only getting
rid of excess moderator - and reactivity goes UP, not down; and the power also goes UP.
by elise at 3/28/2011 1:23:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:23:00 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:23:00 PM
@marie rich : are you talking about the "glowing" or the "puddles" ? you make me confused.
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 1:22:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:22:59 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:22:59 PM
by dean at 3/28/2011 1:22:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:22:41 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:22:41 PM
I uh, heard that it 'test' to see if they could generate power on a 'coasting' turbine was actually enforced on the operator by the KGB. The ops pleaded with them and said it was dangerous, and guns were drawn...
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 1:22:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:22:38 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:22:38 PM
@marie rich OK thanks. Has anyone (not TEPCO) made any progress as to where the fission is and how much energy is being released to result with the isotopes that they did? Clearly it's ongoing if they are getting 6-hour old isotopes?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 1:22:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:22:15 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:22:15 PM
The Chernobyl disaster was caused by the fact then when you shut it down temps and reactivity spiked, a BWR does not have these faults.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 1:22:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:22:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:22:13 PM
Now that I see "cherenkov" come up again, I'll try again to clarify something I asked over on Reuters. In this article en.wikipedia.org they speak of TWO types of blue glows associated with criticality accidents. One is cherenkov needing water/dielectric and the other does not. I am NOT saying we are seeing this type of blue glow, I was simply pointing out as it was discussed is that is seems there can be a blue glow associated with criticality incidents that does not need a dielectric.
by dyan at 3/28/2011 1:21:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:21:23 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:21:23 PM
yes
by dean at 3/28/2011 1:20:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:20:55 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:20:55 PM
it talked about the moderating being lessened in the duel
by elise at 3/28/2011 1:20:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:20:19 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:20:19 PM
marie... very very good.... keep going your doing well...
by dean at 3/28/2011 1:20:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:20:05 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:20:05 PM
OK elise... you can do some research.. the N reactor which was in richland washington DOE site was copied by the russians when they got the design , they build chernobyl to be like the N reactor with a graphite moderator and only thing... NONE of the safety features or containment...
by dean at 3/28/2011 1:19:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:19:24 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:19:24 PM
@Jojo Its just a comment that stuck out to me today and I was wondering what dean thinks if its plausible
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 1:19:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:19:24 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:19:24 PM
@Jojo I'm not Dean, but I could take a stab- the decay if isotope releases heat and atomic particles either bond with, or 'fall off of' other atoms to form new elements. As to the fission, by "tracking back the cat", They want to figure out where radioactive release is coming from, i.e. the fuel pool or the reactor. Dean...HELP!
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 1:19:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:19:22 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:19:22 PM
Its been posted before, but here's a daily audio discussion by a retired military nuclear engineer on the nuclear reactors. georneyThanks s.blogspot.com
by Yuri edited by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 1:19:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:19:15 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:19:15 PM
well it's primarily heat. and all kinds of electromagnetic waves, including heat beams. and gamma rays. and xrays.
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 1:19:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:19:04 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:19:04 PM
It's ok - it is about chernobyl being "over moderated" with graphite, being a duel use type: a scaled up weapons reactor.
by elise at 3/28/2011 1:17:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:17:35 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:17:35 PM
I know we've probably covered this but why is R#3 so much more dangerous with it's plutomium?
by CaraBnr at 3/28/2011 1:17:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:17:25 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:17:25 PM
@Jim Carver Never mind, maybe I misinterpreted your 'credibility zero' comment.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 1:17:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:17:15 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:17:15 PM
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@George Gibb So in other words the initial reading is correct, just at high tide? That means that every high tide x2 day, they will get elevated readings?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 1:17:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:17:14 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:17:14 PM
@Ralph Unger Sorry interesting find =)
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 1:16:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:16:56 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:16:56 PM
@elsie: thanks for the update on US troops------but the article was referring to the United Nations, if that was what you were referring too:)
by MaryW at 3/28/2011 1:16:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:16:42 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:16:42 PM
@Matsuoka So given that we should know the energy released (?) based on the by-products like Tc-99m, where is that energy going? What would have to be the conditions to generate that?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 1:16:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:16:17 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:16:17 PM
No credit George? :-)
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 1:16:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:16:16 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:16:16 PM
Or basically fission means getting hotter rather then cooler.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 1:15:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:15:32 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:15:32 PM
A little snippet
"The readings being retracted are not due to miscalculation. If you will check the tides for the last 24hrs you will see that the initial VERY HIGH reading was @ high tide. The second re-reading was taken @ low tide. This style reactor uses a single cooling loop and appears to have a leak in the turbine room. The tides coming in puts positive pressure in this loop and radiation collects. When the tide goes out it places a vaccume on the system pulling vast amounts out to sea.
Tepco will publish samples taken @ low tide from now on it seems."Eric Shidler on March 27, 2011, 4:04 PM www.theoildrum.com/node/7724
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 1:14:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:14:54 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:14:54 PM
@dean Any thoughts on this
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 1:14:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:14:52 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:14:52 PM
@Jojo : fission means E=mc²
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 1:14:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:14:44 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:14:44 PM
@marie rich So if there is clearly fission going on, what are the implications from this in terms of the reactor/TEPCO? And where is all that fission energy going if it's not turning the turbine?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 1:13:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:13:46 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:13:46 PM
yep marie... A+
by dean at 3/28/2011 1:13:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:13:05 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:13:05 PM
elsie.. I'm back and was going to answer your earlier question.. can you repeat it please.. sorry I was gone
by dean at 3/28/2011 1:12:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:12:56 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:12:56 PM
@dean Thank you Teacher- do I get an A?
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 1:12:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:12:19 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:12:19 PM
@marym: there are 17,000 US forces - visit www.pacom.mil operation tomaguchi to see how much help is being provided.
by elise at 3/28/2011 1:12:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:12:04 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:12:04 PM
@Jojo, ya don't mess with good news. The next reading was smaller so....
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 1:11:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:11:41 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:11:41 PM
marie .. you are getting to be a pro at the decay chain... .very nice
by dean at 3/28/2011 1:11:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:11:35 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:11:35 PM
@Matsuoka thanks for looking :) @Jojo Technetium (tc99) is a major product of uranium235 fission, found mostly in spent fuel rods. It decays (beta/gamma) into molybdenum, (mb), ruthenium (Ru) and decays in minutes. Other thing there testing for is Lanthanum138 (La), which is a 'hydrogen sponge' which soaks up hydrogen and releases it as heat.
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 1:10:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:10:56 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:10:56 PM
And even in their recent measurements, they are finding massive measurements of TC-99m, with a half-life of 6 hours. How can people work there?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 1:10:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:10:56 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:10:56 PM
@Pedro Jesus ?
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 1:10:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:10:49 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:10:49 PM
@Jojo Not that I've seen. I think they said, in effect, "We looked at that reading and realized it was unrealistic so we retested."
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 1:10:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:10:46 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:10:46 PM
@Ralph Unger I tend to agree. Very high levels of very short-lived isotopes.
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 1:09:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:09:32 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:09:32 PM
@RadioGuy But TEPCO hasn't explained the discrepancy?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 1:09:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:09:30 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:09:30 PM
We are not alone!! www.reuters.com -"Disaster-hit Japan faces protracted nuclear crisis"- An expert at University of Southern CA states: "THIS IS FAR BEYOND WHAT ONE NATION CAN HANDLE-IT NEEDS TO BE BUMPED UP TO THE UN SECURITY COUNCIL. In my humble opinion, THIS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE LIBYA NO FLY ZONE'.
by MaryW at 3/28/2011 1:09:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:09:26 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:09:26 PM
@Jim Carver The US Military, IAEA, Green Peace and several other entities on the field, from different origins, have been consistently confirming TEPCO's official data. If you don't trust all the organizations on the field who do you trust?
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 1:08:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:08:37 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:08:37 PM
@Jojo Speculation has ranged from high-tide/low-tide differences in retests to stirred up vs. sedimented.
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 1:08:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:08:36 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:08:36 PM
Does the Fukushima fallout have any effect on atmospheric conditions.......I am wondering if a change in weather pattern is possible as it was in Europe with Acid rain ?.thanks
@dean Maybe ask about some consistecy concerning units of measurements so laypersons are not so confused? Jim
@Dean: I'd like to have an opinion about #3 reactor. Comparing to #4 and documents we have seen about Mark I desing, it seems to me that the building has collapsed lower than the top of the spent fuel pool. If so, its integrity could not have been preserved. Anyone knowing this plant design saying that I'm wrong would be great....
@dean Survey what they think caused #2 torus to rupture? Seems like the biggest unknown to me. Thanks
by dean at 3/28/2011 1:08:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:08:29 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:08:29 PM
these are the ones already asked..
by dean at 3/28/2011 1:08:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:08:24 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:08:24 PM
I think it was an accurate reading... it has a very short half-life. www.yomiuri.co.jp
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 1:08:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:08:20 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:08:20 PM
@radioguy: i am going to get the book ~ "arsenals of folly" that the first explosion was a half mile up, and the graphite burned for ten days - a conflagration that could not be doused with water ~ the dumped 11 million tons of sand, lead , borax on it and it just ate it up like maw I'm the ground. That the radioactive lava is still in there..
by elise at 3/28/2011 1:08:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:08:07 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:08:07 PM
Seriously, how is TEPCO still in control of the plant?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 1:08:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:08:01 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:08:01 PM
back for a bit before rest... not sure if you all heard that tomorrow I will be meeting with my reactor engineers and we will discuss some of the events.. if there are any questions I will copy them down here and try to get answers...
by dean at 3/28/2011 1:07:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:07:58 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:07:58 PM
@marie rich . Maybe it was the day when they put the light on again and it just from the neon bulbs....
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 1:07:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:07:19 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:07:19 PM
@RadioGuy Wow, and people are just buying that?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 1:07:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:07:11 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:07:11 PM
@Jojo Not really sure if it was an error. Credibility zero.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 1:06:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:06:50 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:06:50 PM
@Hank Scorpio OK thanks.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 1:06:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:06:46 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:06:46 PM
@Jojo no explanation. They retested and found the originals wrong.
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 1:06:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:06:34 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:06:34 PM
@marie rich : i really cannot confirm that there is a blue glowing. it is very far away and very discrete. it looks like there could be something. but neutron beams don't glow. they are invisible. Xenon and copper luminescense ? cherenkow radiation ? i don't really know.
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 1:06:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:06:07 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:06:07 PM
Also, has TEPCO sufficiently explained their original error in reactor #2 numbers? They post bad numbers, people freak out, and they re-assess them down and everyone says ok? What was the cause of their original error?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 1:05:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:05:27 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:05:27 PM
@Jim, probably would have made no difference though. The power outage lasted much longer then any batteries could have covered.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 1:05:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:05:20 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:05:20 PM
@RadioGuy They should be trained as piolts.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 1:05:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:05:03 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:05:03 PM
@Ralph Unger There's an undeniable tendency to forget about the small little things that everything may depend on if things go wrong, because you don't think they ever will.
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 1:04:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:04:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:04:13 PM
@Ralph Unger Oh right! They were supposed to last a meager eight hours and lasted what, one and a half I think.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 1:04:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:04:02 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:04:02 PM
@Matsuoka but xenon luminesces (flouresceses?) in the prescence of copper - which could have been melted (along with xenon) from metal alloy in fittings and such. Pure speculation, but it can't be a film artifact.
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 1:03:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:03:57 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:03:57 PM
@alblee Infoseekers, yes. But I'd be a little disappointed in a news network if they came here looking for links that we put up. I would hope they would already have the information.
by Natalie at 3/28/2011 1:03:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:03:37 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:03:37 PM
I have no proof, but I think the batteries were not maintained well, cost cutting.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 1:02:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:02:39 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:02:39 PM
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@Jojo Presumably most of the becquerels released are from the spent fuel, but there is really nasty stuff in the reactor.
by Bobby1 at 3/28/2011 1:02:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:02:18 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:02:18 PM
Sorry if I'm late to the party, but has anyone calculated what the temperature/type of reaction is given the by-product radiation readings?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 1:02:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:02:15 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:02:15 PM
@Ralph Unger Yeah I saw that. They never heard of batteries or solar power or really anything. Ceases to amaze.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 1:01:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:01:55 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:01:55 PM
@Jojo - Fission won't happen in the spent pools for very long, if at all. The water level would have to be perfect. Burning of the overheated rods is the issue.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 1:01:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:01:35 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:01:35 PM
you mean fission and neutron beams ? but neutron beams do not emit light.
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 1:01:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:01:26 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:01:26 PM
Thanks, @Natalie. Hypothetically, when we have gained credibility with the kind of solid, beneficial information that we can deliver through our extended network and resources, other parties can be expected to "go to" us -- news outlets, orgs, etc. Right now, I wouldn't be surprised if we are already on the radar of audacious infoseekers.
by alblee at 3/28/2011 1:01:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:01:23 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:01:23 PM
@Jojo Yhe NRC thinks so.
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 1:01:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:01:09 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:01:09 PM
It means a lot of bad things, most specifically that the more active the reaction, the hotter the temperature of the fuel and the higher the pressure in the vessel.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 1:00:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:00:43 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:00:43 PM
I did not know that Dean posted it a few days ago, but it is still relevant. The link is in a sticky. Posted by me.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 1:00:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:00:40 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:00:40 PM
@Matsuoka So... I'm not totally crazy ???!!! YAY! and thanks for indulging me :)
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 1:00:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:00:34 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:00:34 PM
@marie rich Well isn't fission in the spent pools a LOOOOOOT worse? They are sitting out in the open.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 1:00:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:00:29 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:00:29 PM
@Ralph Unger It is true.. The gates between the spent cooling pools use rubber seals.. that is what he is talking about
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 1:00:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:00:22 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:00:22 PM
@Jojo I think they're trying to figure out where the rad is coming from- spent fuel pools vs. reactor
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 12:59:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:59:52 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:59:52 PM
@marie rich : i would say cherenko radiation. this is beta rays travelling faster than the electromagnetical beams.
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 12:59:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:59:26 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:59:26 PM
@elise I got captured by that NYT article. Excellent.
by RadioGuy at 3/28/2011 12:58:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:58:55 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:58:55 PM
@Hank Scorpio Actually my bad, I didn't post it originally :). But as marie rich said, what are the implications of that? Fission must be going on, which means what?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 12:58:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:58:43 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:58:43 PM
Just looked it up on Google after you posted that.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 12:58:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:58:15 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:58:15 PM
My bad Jojo. I didn't see the m.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 12:57:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:57:43 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:57:43 PM
@Ralph Unger Uh, Dean said that maybe three four days ago...
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 12:57:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:57:43 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:57:43 PM
This is the worst (or dumbest) thing I have read today, so I will post it. "Dave Lochbaum has suggested a common failure mode for leaks in the spent fuel pools. Large doors in the side of the pools are equipped with rubber tubes that are inflated to seal around the door. Even if these seals were not damaged, without power to run the pumps that keep the seals inflated, they can lose air over time and create leaks around the door. Such leaks may not show up immediately since it could take some time for the seals to lose air pressure.
The pumps for these seals currently do not have backup power so leaks of this kind can result from an extended loss of power from the grid. This is a vulnerability of this type of plant design that could happen elsewhere, including at a number of plants in the the US, and needs to be addressed." allthingsnuclear.org
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 12:56:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:56:54 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:56:54 PM
@Hank Scorpio On the link www.tepco.co.jp Tc-99m has a half-life of 6 hours.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 12:56:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:56:51 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:56:51 PM
@alblee How is using us as go to information? Well, besides us.
by Natalie at 3/28/2011 12:56:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:56:42 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:56:42 PM
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 12:56:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:56:24 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:56:24 PM
@Jojo Tc99 is a major product of fission. doesn't really occur in nature. and the highest amount is in spent fuel...
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 12:56:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:56:11 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:56:11 PM
Also, did anyone here of WHY they "reassessed" the data from reactor 2? If they made an error on the 1st analysis, how can we trust ANY of their numbers?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 12:55:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:55:55 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:55:55 PM
George_Gibb has got a really good thing started here. Thanks, everybody, for keeping up such a truly exemplary quality of decent discourse. And also for your diligence and every effort to sustain our highwater mark. Let's keep this up, guys. We rock, truly.
Well, umm, might it be that one mission-critical thing this worldwide civil society information community of ours can do is venture beyond our current level of activity (passively sniffing, filtering, quasi-analyzing) and level up by leveraging our contacts on the ground in Japan to proactively smoke out crucial but solid, credible info: health progress of workers, physical status updates on each reactor, current metrics of ambient radiation status, insider Tepco plans, industry second-opinion sources, etc? If potential information sources / whistleblowers feel they can trust us enough, then we take our first steps from being noise to being news. By becoming the go-to web destination for this subject, we begin to fulfill our unstated aspiration to be of some use to the world in the wake of Fukushima. Needless to say, we should always tread with care and discernment. Nuff said.
by alblee at 3/28/2011 12:55:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:55:35 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:55:35 PM
Also, what can we tell from their readings that there were so many SHORT HALF-LIFE isotopes? What is reacting to produce, say, TC 99 that has a half-life of 6 hours??
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 12:54:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:54:14 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:54:14 PM
@Matsuoka Idk nuetron beams? some kind of luminescence form xenon? Weird, tho
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 12:53:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:53:44 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:53:44 PM
Even the new designs would fail after 72 hours without power.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 12:53:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:53:10 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:53:10 PM
@Hank Scorpio and taking a reactor about to be decommissioned and filling it with MOX.
by Bobby1 at 3/28/2011 12:52:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:52:57 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:52:57 PM
@marie rich : cherenko lighting ?
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 12:52:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:52:48 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:52:48 PM
I suppose the most famous blunder could be changed to building a nuclear power plant in the most quake-ridden area of Asia.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 12:52:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:52:09 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:52:09 PM
@Sims Thanks!
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 12:52:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:52:05 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:52:05 PM
@Matsuoka @Matsuoka yes
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 12:51:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:51:57 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:51:57 PM
@marie rich : tell me what. the glowing ?
by Matsuoka at 3/28/2011 12:51:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:51:37 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:51:37 PM
@Pedro Jesus Ok thanks.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 12:51:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:51:29 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:51:29 PM
@Jojo all the isotopes they detected are volatile with relatively low melting/boiling points, i.e. probably left the reactor via steam. Heavier isotopes would be far less likely to get to the turbine hall - which is connected to the reactor via steam pipes.
by Sims at 3/28/2011 12:51:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:51:01 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:51:01 PM
Yes Jojo and not in circles, The dangers is moving with the wind so 30 KM away might not be far enough of the wind is blowing the wrong way. A teardrop shaped zone would be more fitting.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 12:50:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:50:55 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:50:55 PM
@Jojo There are 2 pages to that report, all right, but not what you are looking for. I can't understand any sort of Japanese so I share the English version in TEPCO's website. www.tepco.co.jp
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 12:50:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:50:48 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:50:48 PM
@Hank Scorpio Classic.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 12:50:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:50:47 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:50:47 PM
@elainekirk2001 Those figures are in Becquerels, which need to take into account how the radiation is absorbed (air, water, soil, etc.) and which element. That said, that number is absolutely JAW-DROPPING. We're talking at the maximum level of Chernobyl or even higher.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 12:50:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:50:32 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:50:32 PM
Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a shrill, harpie of a prosecutor when death is on the line"! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha...
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 12:49:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:49:22 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:49:22 PM
They also clearly need to evacuate the surrounding towns, even if it's just pregnant women.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 12:48:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:48:49 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:48:49 PM
These figures contain readings over a million and they are gov not tepco or am I reading data wrong www.mext.go.jp
by elainekirk at 3/28/2011 12:48:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:48:45 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:48:45 PM
@Jeff Hey, I know some peeps at Turkey Pt., but more at St. Lucie.
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 12:48:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:48:42 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:48:42 PM
