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@es, I am not really worried either. But fitter made a good point. Some may have to. The releases at Chernobyl were certainly of greater dimension. However, yesterday someone from Wales posted that his sheep were still contaminated. In Scandinavia, Cs is still found in reindeer meet today. I remember mushrooms love Cs. People there love to collect them in the late summer and fall. Nobody in Western Europe was supposed to eat them that year. Thus, keeping a detector on the food chain can only be prudent.
by Peter Melzer at 3/28/2011 2:32:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:32:00 PM" ) ) Monday, March 28, 2011 8:32 AM
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@fitter I assume the 2 workers are the two listed as missing from the first day, they are still listed as missing on all the NISA updates.
by Sin at 3/28/2011 2:31:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:31:58 PM" ) )8:31 AM yesterday
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@borrrden K Got it translated. That's garbage. Talk about a whitewash.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 2:31:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:31:46 PM" ) )8:31 AM yesterday
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@Jeff & Fiona...yes, even NHK isn't covering it like they did. They were my go to for info, but now this forum is all that is left really current and topical. Too bad about the bodies...but I'm wondering if they got "radioactive" from contact with ocean water rather than from the plant itself.
by MaryMary at 3/28/2011 2:31:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:31:11 PM" ) )8:31 AM yesterday
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@fiona: And we also have to understand that sharing all the technical details might be interesting for us, but there's not really a reason for them to do so. One thing that can most certainly be criticized though is the lack of proper measurements, that is really terrible. But since the US is surely monitoring the situation very closely (they have troops in Japan), and they are not increasing the evacuation zone or issuing alerts, I think the situation is mostly contained to within the plant. I'm sure the US would act if they though the situation was deteriorating.
by Jeff at 3/28/2011 2:30:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:30:16 PM" ) )8:30 AM yesterday
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by borrrden at 3/28/2011 2:26:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:26:08 PM" ) )8:26 AM yesterday
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@Jeff - I agree totally - BBC cannot hardly be bothered
by fiona at 3/28/2011 2:24:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:24:51 PM" ) )8:24 AM yesterday
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@borrrden Sorry, but the link inside that page.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 2:24:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:24:46 PM" ) )8:24 AM yesterday
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@Jim Carver I didn't post that link :-S but I just clicked on the link you sent and it works for me.
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 2:24:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:24:06 PM" ) )8:24 AM yesterday
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by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 2:23:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:23:28 PM" ) )8:23 AM yesterday
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@fiona: It is not kept quiet, it's just not translated to English because there is no "interest", Libya is more important, hell, there's ten other topics that are more "interesting" at the moment. News that lasts for three weeks isn't news anymore, sadly.
by Jeff at 3/28/2011 2:22:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:22:42 PM" ) )8:22 AM yesterday
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what about this report from TEPCO:
www.tepco.co.jp
The exponents look like minusses... Is this a mess or what?
by petra at 3/28/2011 2:22:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:22:38 PM" ) )8:22 AM yesterday
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@fitter Agree. It's extremely important that this information re food source is available and transparent for precisely the reason you mention - we are all different. I don't eat any animals.
by es at 3/28/2011 2:22:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:22:06 PM" ) )8:22 AM yesterday
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@Brad Here's a site I found in response to your question about US nuclear bomb testing and the resultant fallout. Lots of graphs, links and sources:
en.wikipedia.org by James Ward at 3/28/2011 2:21:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:21:55 PM" ) )8:21 AM yesterday
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@Jim Carver Which link?
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 2:21:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:21:40 PM" ) )8:21 AM yesterday
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@borrrden That link doesn't work
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 2:21:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:21:13 PM" ) )8:21 AM yesterday
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The CNN status-of-each-reactor report posted a few minutes ago seems to me inaccurate in several respects. It describes a melt-down as a breach of steel containment and concrete, without differentiating a partial melt of fuel. Then in a few places where it describes radiation levels as "above normal for that locale" it fails to convey the magnitude. Nevertheless, I thank CNN for giving it some coverage. This topic must be quite difficult for regular reporters to write about and express all the quantitative nuances and their implications.
by Sky at 3/28/2011 2:20:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:20:49 PM" ) )8:20 AM yesterday
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@fiona It is a very new article, it probably hasn't been translated yet :-S.
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 2:19:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:19:47 PM" ) )8:19 AM yesterday
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@borrrden just read that article on the dead body 5km out - I think that is shocking, and I cannot for the life me understand why it is all kept so quiet. Well I do but....
by fiona at 3/28/2011 2:19:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:19:11 PM" ) )8:19 AM yesterday
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@Scillak Thank you! Such good stuff. And goodmorning to all
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 2:18:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:18:47 PM" ) )8:18 AM yesterday
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@es dangerous is pertainent to your own status... my dad can not drink our tap water due to chemo treatment... this comes direct from the utilites... We do and should have the right to know where our food comes from, so we can make the decision... i do not eat seafood from certain countries due to the lack of EPA reg's and water pollution.. what endagers me may be fine for you
by fitter at 3/28/2011 2:18:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:18:41 PM" ) )8:18 AM yesterday
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@fitter, good point!
by Peter Melzer at 3/28/2011 2:16:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:16:56 PM" ) )8:16 AM yesterday
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@Jim Carver Then why is it dated yesterday? :-S
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 2:15:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:15:30 PM" ) )8:15 AM yesterday
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by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 2:15:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:15:12 PM" ) )8:15 AM yesterday
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have not seen any reports that they located the two employees listed as "missing", are the ones these the one reported missing the 1st day or do they have two additional missing.
by fitter at 3/28/2011 2:14:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:14:42 PM" ) )8:14 AM yesterday
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@Peter Melzer At tis stage I'm not over concerned about levels in food outside of Japan. I anticipate we'll all need to revise our ideas of what is dangerous and what isn't.
by es at 3/28/2011 2:14:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:14:16 PM" ) )8:14 AM yesterday
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@borrrden These are the new ones.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 2:13:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:13:54 PM" ) )8:13 AM yesterday
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they = TEPCO I mean
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 2:13:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:13:17 PM" ) )8:13 AM yesterday
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@Jim Carver Those readings have been called into question by NISA, and they are redoing the test.
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 2:13:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:13:00 PM" ) )8:13 AM yesterday
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Hi @all I posted this last night but I don't think anybody saw it: I found the reading from last night for the I-134 in reactor 2 was 2.9 x 10e9Bq/cm3 . The highest radiation reported so far. THREE orders of magnitude higher than any of the others. Remember that I-134 has a half-life of 53 minutes.
www.nisa.meti.go.jpby Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 2:11:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:11:21 PM" ) )8:11 AM yesterday
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Brad there are records of the testing in the 50's but until recently it was considered classified.
www.defense.govby Sin at 3/28/2011 2:09:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:09:17 PM" ) )8:09 AM yesterday
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@es, I anticipate greater amounts will be detected in food come Sept. I do not believe it will a major health hazard like in Japan. But I'd keep an eye on it.
by Peter Melzer at 3/28/2011 2:07:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:07:04 PM" ) )8:07 AM yesterday
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@Salu - Reactor #4 Spent Fuel Pool (SPF) is exposed to the outside air, just like a swimming pool. The roof of the building was blown away by a hydrogen explosion, so there is no containment of radiation, smoke, steam, etc.
by Brad at 3/28/2011 2:05:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:05:57 PM" ) )8:05 AM yesterday
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I have been watching a discussion site called physics forum.com. Someone posted this link that has reactor data plotted over time - temps, pressures. I can't vouch for the source.
by Scillak at 3/28/2011 2:05:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:05:55 PM" ) )8:05 AM yesterday
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by Scillak at 3/28/2011 2:05:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:05:51 PM" ) )8:05 AM yesterday
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CNN - Status report: Reactor-by-reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi plant
www.cnn.comby Brad at 3/28/2011 2:05:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:05:47 PM" ) )8:05 AM yesterday
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Is there any record of the resulting radiation exposure across the US and the world following above ground nuclear bomb testing in the 1950's, or was this not a consideration at the time?
by Brad at 3/28/2011 2:05:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:05:40 PM" ) )8:05 AM yesterday
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Thanks NHK listener.
by Sin at 3/28/2011 2:05:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:05:12 PM" ) )8:05 AM yesterday
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I wonder how radioactive the bodies of the two workers are in reactor #4. According to the TEPCO releases, they are still listed as missing. Does anyone know if they ever said anything else about them?
by Sin at 3/28/2011 2:04:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:04:51 PM" ) )8:04 AM yesterday
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@Sin It is in the sticky up top
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 2:04:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:04:04 PM" ) )8:04 AM yesterday
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@Sky, only a physicist could have come up with these units. Rem used to be a much wieldier dimension!
by Peter Melzer at 3/28/2011 2:03:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 2:03:37 PM" ) )8:03 AM yesterday
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As someone said: Nuclear power, not too cheap to meter but too costly to matter. Times article "Why No Nukes? The Real Cost of U.S. Nuclear Power" -
www.time.com (Is this OK to post here? Not off-topic?)
by Cup at 3/28/2011 1:56:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:56:53 PM" ) )7:56 AM yesterday
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I don't know if you guys have this link, it's recorded press conference videos of the Chief Cabinet Secretary of Japan including question and answer sessions
nettv.gov-online.go.jpby Sin at 3/28/2011 1:56:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:56:13 PM" ) )7:56 AM yesterday
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friend Marie, I really wish you would stop posting like 500mS(uS) as if milliSieverts and microSieverts are equal units. This is driving me nuts because of the confusion it could cause. 500 milliSieverts (mS) is 0.5 Sievert is 500,000 microSievert (uS). There is no equivalence of milli (1/1000) and micro (1/million). The difference is 3 orders of magnitude. OK, point made. I just felt it was important to correct something that was posted hours ago since this blog may be archived and may be referenced by news organizations. We engineers use milli and micro all the time and it is impossible to confuse these units.
by Sky at 3/28/2011 1:56:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:56:11 PM" ) )7:56 AM yesterday
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This article says that they found a dead body 5 kilometers from the plant, but the body was too radioactive to be safely dealt with. :-S
www3.nhk.or.jpby borrrden at 3/28/2011 1:55:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:55:45 PM" ) )7:55 AM yesterday
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@James Ward Point taken. I just think it's important to read all reports as critically as we do the TEPCO ones.
by es at 3/28/2011 1:49:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:49:50 PM" ) )7:49 AM yesterday
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www.cnn.com Highly radioactive water found in tunnel outside nuclear plant
By the CNN Wire Staff
March 28, 2011 7:22 a.m. EDT
by Sin at 3/28/2011 1:48:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:48:37 PM" ) )7:48 AM yesterday
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@James Ward I agree.. I like facts that can be verified, not speculation or hyperbole
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 1:47:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:47:19 PM" ) )7:47 AM yesterday
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@es Please, let's keep politics out of this discussion. I don't consider any politician to be an expert on radiation or the nuclear industry. I have expected better from the so-called nuclear industry "experts" who appeared on all of the TV networks early in the process and attempted to gloss over what was happening at the Fukushima facility. They seem to have disappeared in the last few days as the news has gotten irreversibly worse.
by James Ward at 3/28/2011 1:44:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:44:36 PM" ) )7:44 AM yesterday
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@James Ward Those EPA standards are almost as old as the Fukushima plant itself. See question number three here:
japan.usembassy.govby borrrden at 3/28/2011 1:42:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:42:47 PM" ) )7:42 AM yesterday
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@James Ward Yeah, I seem to recall Obama using the word 'expected' in a similar way with regards to any radioactive material reaching the US. Hmm.
by es at 3/28/2011 1:38:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:38:13 PM" ) )7:38 AM yesterday
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Related to the Forbes article below, it has been reported in various links now that elevated radiation has been found in the states of Washington, Oregon, California, Colorado, Massachusetts, South Carolina, and Florida. Originally, US "experts" stated emphatically that "no radiation would reach the US". Then it became "if radiation reaches the US it will only be in trace amounts to small to be dangerous". Now we see that radiation exceeds the MCL in drinking water in Pennsylvania and Massachusetts. What do the "experts" have to say now?
by James Ward at 3/28/2011 1:37:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:37:39 PM" ) )7:37 AM yesterday
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@borrrden Yup see it thx
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 1:36:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:36:46 PM" ) )7:36 AM yesterday
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@NHK Listener It is in his post a few lines down.
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 1:30:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:30:49 PM" ) )7:30 AM yesterday
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@James Ward Source?
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 1:29:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:29:09 PM" ) )7:29 AM yesterday
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Quote from Forbes article: The Environmental Protection Agency yesterday reported finding elevated levels of iodine-131, a product of nuclear fission, in rainwater in Pennsylvania and Massachusetts. The levels exceed the maximum contaminant level (MCL) permitted in drinking water, but EPA continues to assure the public there is no need for alarm:
“It is important to note that the corresponding MCL for iodine-131 was calculated based on long-term chronic exposures over the course of a lifetime – 70 years. The levels seen in rainwater are expected to be relatively short in duration,” the agency states in a FAQ that accompanied yesterday’s brief news release.
“In both cases these are levels above the normal background levels historically reported in these areas.”
by James Ward at 3/28/2011 1:26:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:26:34 PM" ) )7:26 AM yesterday
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by fiona at 3/28/2011 1:26:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:26:10 PM" ) )7:26 AM yesterday
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by James Ward at 3/28/2011 1:25:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:25:39 PM" ) )7:25 AM yesterday
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@es that's presuming that all the tanks are still intact... they might have been intact before earthquake/tsunami/explosion... but are they intact/holding water/mechanically sound now?
by asdf at 3/28/2011 1:24:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:24:24 PM" ) )7:24 AM yesterday
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@Salu Pressure? The reactor is open and empty in no4
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 1:20:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:20:02 PM" ) )7:20 AM yesterday
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Question - #4's spent fuel is the largest contained - by the reports of it being "safe" does that mean no pressure forming to spring a leak ?
by Salu at 3/28/2011 1:19:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:19:02 PM" ) )7:19 AM yesterday
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@es Typing inaccurate writing by a non-technical person. They probably mean "If the additional tank of the No. 4 reactor SPENT FUEL POOL is confirmed to be full, the reactor and its SPENT FUEL POOL will be safe for now". This is a reasonable point -- given that the unit 4 was shut down for inspection, with all fuel off-loaded to the spent fuel pool.
by Joshua Diamond at 3/28/2011 1:14:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:14:19 PM" ) )7:14 AM yesterday
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I am getting terribly confused now- not enough water for a while, now too much!
by fiona at 3/28/2011 1:07:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 1:07:12 PM" ) )7:07 AM yesterday
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That mainichi article also mentions that, "Additional tanks are attached to the spent fuel pools to hold any spilled water"
by es at 3/28/2011 12:54:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:54:49 PM" ) )6:54 AM yesterday
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Another baffling quote from a TEPCO official: "If the additional tank of the No. 4 reactor is confirmed to be full, the reactor will be safe for now"
mdn.mainichi.jp by es at 3/28/2011 12:54:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:54:11 PM" ) )6:54 AM yesterday
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@all can anyone tell if the radiatin numbers support the source possibly JUST being from the pool in that building, or is it deffenate that some is coming from the reator
by fitter at 3/28/2011 12:49:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:49:56 PM" ) )6:49 AM yesterday
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@ifz never tried that one yet, but we do use bread stuffed down the pipe to make a quick repair, maybe they could try a "lot of RICE"
by fitter at 3/28/2011 12:47:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:47:36 PM" ) )6:47 AM yesterday
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by Olivier at 3/28/2011 12:42:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:42:58 PM" ) )6:42 AM yesterday
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by ifz at 3/28/2011 12:42:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:42:48 PM" ) )6:42 AM yesterday
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13.05 Clock: Another sharp increase in radioactivity in Fukushima first Especially at the reactor block 2 radiation of more than 1000 mSv per hour are measured. -ntv-
by hans at 3/28/2011 12:41:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:41:49 PM" ) )6:41 AM yesterday
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@Markfm this is bad news.
by hans at 3/28/2011 12:41:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:41:37 PM" ) )6:41 AM yesterday
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election disaster in germany ggggggggggggg. green power is coming....
by hans at 3/28/2011 12:41:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:41:34 PM" ) )6:41 AM yesterday
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GOOD morning nuklear blog
by hans at 3/28/2011 12:41:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:41:27 PM" ) )6:41 AM yesterday
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by Olivier at 3/28/2011 12:41:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:41:12 PM" ) )6:41 AM yesterday
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by es at 3/28/2011 12:39:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:39:54 PM" ) )6:39 AM yesterday
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@all chashing water leaks/flow is one of the most challanging and frustrating things to do.. ask any plumber or roofer... the gutter thats clogged is usually why you have a leak on the 1st floor ... water will flow in places you would never imagine... we recently just fixed a electrical condut line at a plant that had not just water, but when it rained (it started underground) it would "flow like a hose" out the end of the conduit that the electrical lines ran through... figuring where the water was getting in was the hardest part... so the pathway for the dirty water is not just related to the piping systems...
by fitter at 3/28/2011 12:34:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:34:59 PM" ) )6:34 AM yesterday
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Re the proposed 'stress tests' for EU nuclear plants - note these will be
voluntary www.euractiv.comby es at 3/28/2011 12:32:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:32:14 PM" ) )6:32 AM yesterday
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Just sooo amazingly responsible these reporters aren't they eh? . If residents return to evac zone to collect possessions on the basis of his report can we lynch him?
by elainekirk at 3/28/2011 12:21:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:21:34 PM" ) )6:21 AM yesterday
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Their website has some print content but does not mention the British reporter, they also did not identify who he works for. Here is the morning online content for that story.
abcnews.go.comby Nancy at 3/28/2011 12:15:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:15:51 PM" ) )6:15 AM yesterday
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@ifz, have ABC Good Morning America on the TV right now. Will go check and see if they duplicated on their website yet.
by Nancy at 3/28/2011 12:12:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:12:55 PM" ) )6:12 AM yesterday
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@nancy: do you have a link for the "british reporter" story?
by ifz at 3/28/2011 12:12:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:12:16 PM" ) )6:12 AM yesterday
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@Nancy Like to much water in a bucket
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 12:12:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:12:00 PM" ) )6:12 AM yesterday
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@Nancy Sorry Nancy I don't know enough about the plumbing of the reactor. What I think is that water from the core would normally be clean steam instead, but is coming out as dirty water.
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 12:10:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:10:00 PM" ) )6:10 AM yesterday
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Japan Nuclear Agency rejects Greenpeace call for expanding evacuation zone:
www.trust.orgby es at 3/28/2011 12:09:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:09:05 PM" ) )6:09 AM yesterday
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ABC is finally paying attention. They are leading this morning with heavy detail about the reactors. There was also a British reporter who drove into the exclusion zone and up to the plant gate in his car with no protection at all and then got out of his car and walked around. At least the US media seems to now be paying attention.
by Nancy at 3/28/2011 12:07:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:07:19 PM" ) )6:07 AM yesterday
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by hans edited by elainekirk at 3/28/2011 12:03:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:03:51 PM" ) )6:03 AM yesterday
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@NHK, is this the same thing as the damage in the torus? There were reports over the weekend that the piping there broke and was dumping water out into the clean water side. Not enough understanding if that water could make it into the turbine room. I thought the turbine rooms were up higher. I had thought the torus water was leaking back out to the ocean.
by Nancy at 3/28/2011 12:03:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 12:03:17 PM" ) )6:03 AM yesterday
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very true fitter... I'd hate to guess how many penetrations there are.. but many many many .. some small some large
by dean at 3/28/2011 11:58:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:58:16 AM" ) )5:58 AM yesterday
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@gumba : water itself is not irradient. the radioactivity is caused by radionuclids in the water (I131, Cs137, ....). these radioactive particles can sink to the ground. or there are hotspots with lots of radiation. so it is not clear if removing half of the water will remove half of the radioactivity. it could be, it could not.
by Matsuoko at 3/28/2011 11:57:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:57:33 AM" ) )5:57 AM yesterday
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@Nancy Nuclear Safety Commission expressed the opinion that radioactive material
from nuclear fuel once melded possibly have reached outside the
containment vessel with water leaked from inside to outside the containment
vessel trough unidentified pathway at unit-2. This opinion is based on the
fact that water accumulated in the turbine building contain high amount of
radioactive material, which is 100,000 times as much as radioactive material
contained in water in the reactor at normal operation. Also Nuclear Safety
Commission mentioned that operation to inject water to the reactor of unit-2
can be continued even in this situation. (13:25, March 28)
www.jaif.or.jpby NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 11:57:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:57:02 AM" ) )5:57 AM yesterday
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Sounds like an MSNBC news story gets it right: "Mounting obstacles, missteps and confusion at the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear complex have stymied emergency workers..."
by Markfm at 3/28/2011 11:57:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:57:00 AM" ) )5:57 AM yesterday
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nancy.. in general.. there can be contamination in water that and it stays there but if that water gets outside it begins to seep in the ground and can carry the contamination with it... depending on how deep the water table is, those particles can migrate through rain water that seeps in or other from snow etc. the earth is a great filter but there is a chance it can get down to the water table and show up in water like we've seen... the other one is AIRBOURNE.. those particles that get airbourne through some mechanism.. like those explosions where particles are released to the atmosphere and then get carried off into the air and up to the jet stream then carried around the globe depending on winds... etc..
by dean at 3/28/2011 11:56:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:56:58 AM" ) )5:56 AM yesterday
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From the NHK news ticker: "An increasing number of residents have reportedly returned to their homes in suburban areas surrounding the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant."
by Markfm at 3/28/2011 11:54:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:54:43 AM" ) )5:54 AM yesterday
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@dean inteview article with employees in bld#3 at time of quake, before Isumani spoke of "steam or fire" unable to breath" (10 mins.) does sound like they had piping/mechanical faluire from the beging... steam relief vavle (using diagm.) looks like it will release 1st to the bottom of contaiment (toruts) very litte info to go on, just one employee and one interview... sounds like they are dealing with many types of breaches... the mechanical acesses to the contaiment vessel and secondary building create many pathways. look back at the actual picture of "under construction" every stub is a connection... with a potenial leak.. and the piping route to it.....
by fitter at 3/28/2011 11:54:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:54:18 AM" ) )5:54 AM yesterday
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@dean, great!!!
by Peter Melzer at 3/28/2011 11:52:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:52:00 AM" ) )5:52 AM yesterday
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@Nancy, watch the professor I linked to before your post.
by Peter Melzer at 3/28/2011 11:51:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:51:32 AM" ) )5:51 AM yesterday
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back.. hi peter.. I was telling them about the pressure curve and the man's theory..
by dean at 3/28/2011 11:50:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:50:52 AM" ) )5:50 AM yesterday
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Hmm. From the JAIF report, "It is presumed that radioactive material inside the reactor vessel would have leaked outside the containment vessel at unit-1, 2 and unit-3, based on the investigation of the water sampled at turbine building" So would that mean the reactors have breached or melted through, or just that water from the core is leaking back out the routes used to run water through?
by Nancy at 3/28/2011 11:50:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:50:04 AM" ) )5:50 AM yesterday
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Here is the video again:
www.ustream.tv The man presents a few good ideas.
by Peter Melzer at 3/28/2011 11:49:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:49:48 AM" ) )5:49 AM yesterday
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From MIT NSE Nuclear Information Hub: "Introduction to Radiation Health Effects and Radiation Status at Fukushima" Lots of very helpful information - well worth the time to read
mitnse.comby James Ward at 3/28/2011 11:49:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:49:11 AM" ) )5:49 AM yesterday
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by Cup at 3/28/2011 11:48:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:48:37 AM" ) )5:48 AM yesterday
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@Scilla, that may be a typo. Late last night that exact number was ascribed to water in the ocean just north of the plant. It wasn't in standing water at the complex.
by Nancy at 3/28/2011 11:44:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:44:29 AM" ) )5:44 AM yesterday
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@dean, good morning, I saw that video, too. I thought it was a significant piece. I hope they can recover some earlier data. And for those of you who want to entomb the beasts quickly. I hope they find out how the leaks happened precisely for the sake of the safety of all other reactor vessels, before they must enclose the reactors for good.
by Peter Melzer at 3/28/2011 11:44:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:44:12 AM" ) )5:44 AM yesterday
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I'd like to understand how high radiation travels underground vs. the atmosphere? I'm thinking of radiation as it relates to ground saturation.
by janet-k at 3/28/2011 11:38:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:38:24 AM" ) )5:38 AM yesterday
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Thank you Dean. That's what I thought. Pumping out the water might still leave a problem of significance.
by gumba at 3/28/2011 11:34:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:34:22 AM" ) )5:34 AM yesterday
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brb.. need to go prepare for my day
by dean at 3/28/2011 11:34:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:34:00 AM" ) )5:34 AM yesterday
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yesterday I looked at a video that one of us put up and it was of a japanese nuclear physicist talking over the reactor situation and he had graphs on pressure, but, he didn't have data from the early parts of the accident but .. his theory is. that as a consequence of the earth quake and subsequent affects.. there could have been whats called.a LOCA accident early on .. there was some 2-3 hours of data missing but he thinks that may have happened. a LOCA right near the time after scram of the reactor , it it was a big LOCA could have caused the fuel to over heat at that early time.
by dean at 3/28/2011 11:33:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:33:38 AM" ) )5:33 AM yesterday
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make sure we don't get mixed up on a puddle.. like water... with the molten fuel if it has melted into what some may say puddle. the puddle of water in the turbine building contains radioactive particles which are emitting the high radiation level, removal of the water would probably leave behind some residue of the contamination and still be very high.
by dean at 3/28/2011 11:29:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:29:06 AM" ) )5:29 AM yesterday
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@elainekirk Roger!
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 11:27:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:27:50 AM" ) )5:27 AM yesterday
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@elainekirk Better?
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 11:27:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:27:32 AM" ) )5:27 AM yesterday
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If you have a radioactive puddle (say, stable and not rapidly decaying) and remove half of it - do you reduce the exposure rate by 1/2 ? I'm still in a muddle about the puddle.
by gumba at 3/28/2011 11:25:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:25:53 AM" ) )5:25 AM yesterday
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Does the Fukushima fallout have any effect on atmospheric conditions.......I am wondering if a change in weather pattern is possible as it was in Europe with Acid rain ?.thanks
@dean Maybe ask about some consistecy concerning units of measurements so laypersons are not so confused? Jim
@Dean: I'd like to have an opinion about #3 reactor. Comparing to #4 and documents we have seen about Mark I desing, it seems to me that the building has collapsed lower than the top of the spent fuel pool. If so, its integrity could not have been preserved. Anyone knowing this plant design saying that I'm wrong would be great....
@dean Survey what they think caused #2 torus to rupture? Seems like the biggest unknown to me. Thanks
all if anyone see dean on (have to go to work) he was asking for questions yesterday.. could you please have him ask if there are any sites following "what systems" they may have back on line and the damage control? thanks would greatly appreciate it!!
by dean at 3/28/2011 11:24:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:24:20 AM" ) )5:24 AM yesterday
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dean thanks!!
by fitter at 3/28/2011 11:23:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:23:48 AM" ) )5:23 AM yesterday
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good morning fitter.. I saw your question and wrote it down.. I will post all the questions people want here
by dean at 3/28/2011 11:23:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:23:21 AM" ) )5:23 AM yesterday
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www3.nhk.or.jp The three workers that were irradiated by the water have been discharged from the hospital in good health. The radiology department said they will not need further treatment and will recover on their own. Japanese article:
www3.nhk.or.jp
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 11:23:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:23:01 AM" ) )5:23 AM yesterday
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I'm off to work now. Let's hope the situation get's better before I'm back. CU @ll
by Salvador at 3/28/2011 11:22:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:22:56 AM" ) )5:22 AM yesterday
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@dean Good morning, in regards to request for questions... would you ask if anyone knows of a site with info on the physical plant condition and what systems status is...
by fitter at 3/28/2011 11:22:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:22:51 AM" ) )5:22 AM yesterday
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OFF TOPIC if people uploaded avatars in their profile it would make it easier for people wanting to follow their input to find their posts
by elainekirk at 3/28/2011 11:22:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:22:48 AM" ) )5:22 AM yesterday
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@Joshua Diamond - 1,000 mSv/h in Unit 2 trench - not that it will help much for clarity but Tepco states over 1,000 mSv/h in Unit 2 trench. Possibly over the scales?
by nls at 3/28/2011 11:22:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:22:16 AM" ) )5:22 AM yesterday
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if they see what's called fresh fission fragments from a fission .. then yes.. it's the only way they can be seen, from a reactor physics standpoint tho.. it seems unprecedented to have a fission with out the criticality happening. if criticality occurs I don't think it would be a sustained one but it could release fission fragments like those
by dean at 3/28/2011 11:21:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:21:42 AM" ) )5:21 AM yesterday
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@dean The alarming thing about it was that initially they said that the majority of the nucleotides were Iodine-134 particles. Later they said they mixed it up with Cobalt or something. Also, there was another report about Chlorine-38 in the water in the turbine room of reactor 1. Both Iodine-134 and Chlorine-38 are very short lived.....so a lot of people are thinking it is an indication of renewed fission. Any thoughts?
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 11:18:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:18:07 AM" ) )5:18 AM yesterday
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@borrrden.. that is a high level.. 1 sv/hr.. wow
by dean at 3/28/2011 11:15:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:15:44 AM" ) )5:15 AM yesterday
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I see it up ther never mind
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 11:14:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:14:43 AM" ) )5:14 AM yesterday
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Sorry, that is water in the turbine building of reactor 2...
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 11:14:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:14:25 AM" ) )5:14 AM yesterday
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Good evening Dean! Most of the talk has been about the reactor 2 water measurement of 2.9 billion Bq / cubic CENTIMETER and its subsequent botching. They said that at that level it would give off 1 sv / hour :(.
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 11:13:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:13:25 AM" ) )5:13 AM yesterday
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All Press Conferences by the Chief Cabinet Secretary. Might want to add this to the sticky
nettv.gov-online.go.jpby NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 11:13:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:13:19 AM" ) )5:13 AM yesterday
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has there been any worst developments?
by dean at 3/28/2011 11:12:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:12:24 AM" ) )5:12 AM yesterday
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good morning borrden.. I just woke up and typed it in that way ..
by dean at 3/28/2011 11:11:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:11:45 AM" ) )5:11 AM yesterday
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@dean Why has your name become lower cased today?
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 11:09:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:09:40 AM" ) )5:09 AM yesterday
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good morning to every one.... I'm up and making coffee.... anyone want a cup ? %(__)...
by dean at 3/28/2011 11:09:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:09:08 AM" ) )5:09 AM yesterday
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@Joshua Diamond I think it is overflow. They have pumped in some cases 3times the amount need to fill a spent cooling pool.
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 11:08:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:08:08 AM" ) )5:08 AM yesterday
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@NHK Listener -- 1,000 mSv/h in Unit 2 trench - sure looks like Unit 2 containment is waterlogged, and leaking. Only alternative explanation I can imagine is overflow from flooding SFP's, but I think that less likely. Any experts out there care to comment?
by Joshua Diamond at 3/28/2011 11:06:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:06:46 AM" ) )5:06 AM yesterday
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IAEA White “smoke” continued to be emitted from Units 1 to 4.
Pressure in the RPV showed a slight increase at Unit 1 and was stable at Units 2 and 3, possibly indicating that there has been no major breach in the pressure vessels.
www.facebook.com!/notes/international-atomic-energy-agency-iaea/iaea-briefing-on-fukushima-nuclear-accident-27-march-2011-1330-utc/205133276183133
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 11:06:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 11:06:42 AM" ) )5:06 AM yesterday
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@elainekirk2001 was just reading same... in plan terms that now means the data statistics regarding exposure... has become "as they determine" that verbage gives big companies the leway to decide "if and how it will be recorded" see it all the time in our business... an employee sitting in a chair 8 hrs a day with a broken leg and bandage arm... is NOT concidered a "lost time day" because he is AT work"... this is why the data is always so "low"... laywers run the world!! sorry to all laywers...
by fitter at 3/28/2011 10:59:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 10:59:14 AM" ) )4:59 AM yesterday
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@NHK Listener thanks. Imo this blog is doing just as well as the Reuters one :)
by nls at 3/28/2011 10:56:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 10:56:04 AM" ) )4:56 AM yesterday
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that ill news: NHK- An increasing number of residents have reportedly returned to their homes in suburban areas surrounding the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.
by oli333 at 3/28/2011 10:55:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 10:55:24 AM" ) )4:55 AM yesterday
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From the tepco release I note this pararaph it doesn't give the date it was posted originally so could have been in force awhile....From now on, if the measured figure fluctuates and goes above and below
500 micro Sv/h, we deem that as the continuous same event and will not
regard that as a new specific incidents stipulated in article 15, clause
1 of the Act on Special Measures Concerning Nuclear Emergency
Preparedness (Abnormal increase in radiation dose measured at
site boundary) has occurred. In the interim, if we measure a manifestly
abnormal figure and it is evident that the event is not the continuous
same event, we will determine and notify.
www.tepco.co.jpby elainekirk at 3/28/2011 10:51:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 10:51:12 AM" ) )4:51 AM yesterday
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@nhk listener thank you good link :)
by elainekirk at 3/28/2011 10:49:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 10:49:20 AM" ) )4:49 AM yesterday
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@nls At 3:30PM, March 27th, we found that there was water in the trenches of Units 1 to 3. The radioactive emission at the surface of the water was 0.4mSv/h for Unit 1 and over 1,000mSv/h for Unit 2. As for Unit 3, we couldn't have access to the surface because of rubbles. We will continue to monitor water in the trenches.
www.tepco.co.jpby NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 10:43:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 10:43:54 AM" ) )4:43 AM yesterday
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@fiona - radiation could not be measured at a similar location for the No. 3 unit due to difficulty getting there. difficulty getting there ... debris? radiation?
by nls at 3/28/2011 10:34:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 10:34:49 AM" ) )4:34 AM yesterday
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by hans edited by elainekirk at 3/28/2011 10:33:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 10:33:42 AM" ) )4:33 AM yesterday
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> 1,000mSv/h ? Does it mean that they don't know how much because it is more than the capacity to measure?
by Olivier at 3/28/2011 10:31:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 10:31:56 AM" ) )4:31 AM yesterday
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Does the 4 dead birds (3 types) i saw today in my hometown (Romania, Constanta) related to this? It's a small chance but i found some worryingsome info on the net
weeksmd.com and made the connection because traces of japan radiation should arrive or already arrived over Romania. Should i worry?
by maxRomania at 3/28/2011 10:30:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 10:30:14 AM" ) )4:30 AM yesterday
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Readings at Monitoring Post out of 20 Km Zone of Fukushima Dai-ichi NPP
www.mext.go.jpby elainekirk at 3/28/2011 10:29:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 10:29:39 AM" ) )4:29 AM yesterday
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ocean readings starting to make more sense now! TEPCO saying "tide was reason nubrs were wrong did't make sense... in US very little is allowed to "discharge" directly to ocean/rivers due to EPA reg's. (don't know about japan) but most discharge systems would not be affected by the tide (although I also do not know the differential between low tide and high... can be 15-20 feet the further north you get... ours is around 5 feet.
by fitter at 3/28/2011 10:22:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 10:22:42 AM" ) )4:22 AM yesterday
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by watch at 3/28/2011 10:19:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 10:19:50 AM" ) )4:19 AM yesterday
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The contaminated trench at #2 reactor ends only 55m from the sea... (Kyodo)
by hudebnik at 3/28/2011 10:08:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 10:08:11 AM" ) )4:08 AM yesterday
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@all if anyone see dean on (have to go to work) he was asking for questions yesterday.. could you please have him ask if there are any sites following "what systems" they may have back on line and the damage control? thanks would greatly appreciate it!!
by fitter at 3/28/2011 10:07:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 10:07:34 AM" ) )4:07 AM yesterday
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Hi, all. Need to stretch my legs for an hour or so. See y'all in a while. Be good, stay cool.
by alblee at 3/28/2011 10:07:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 10:07:23 AM" ) )4:07 AM yesterday
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Hi everyone, @NiteSpawn seems like the steam/smoke was not there earlier today.
by Marius Daniel Matis at 3/28/2011 10:05:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 10:05:53 AM" ) )4:05 AM yesterday
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why can't I comment here?
by Marius Daniel Matis at 3/28/2011 10:05:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 10:05:49 AM" ) )4:05 AM yesterday
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The level of radiation at a similar trench for the No. 1 reactor was 0.4 millisievert per hour, the utility company said, adding that radiation could not be measured at a similar location for the No. 3 unit due to difficulty getting there.
==Kyodo
by fiona at 3/28/2011 10:02:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 10:02:40 AM" ) )4:02 AM yesterday
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it doesn't show very well but there is smoke/steam
by elainekirk at 3/28/2011 10:00:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 10:00:23 AM" ) )4:00 AM yesterday
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previous webcam to present
by elainekirk at 3/28/2011 9:58:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:58:52 AM" ) )3:58 AM yesterday
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by NiteSpawn at 3/28/2011 9:54:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:54:41 AM" ) )3:54 AM yesterday
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Here is a picture from earlier today.
by NiteSpawn at 3/28/2011 9:54:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:54:33 AM" ) )3:54 AM yesterday
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When they say, there was a partial meltdown at #2. Does that mean the top of the rods melted into some big blob with a solidified outer shell but still molten inside? Or is the water sufficient to completely cool such a mass?
by ifz at 3/28/2011 9:53:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:53:03 AM" ) )3:53 AM yesterday
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water in basment???? trench ??? makes a lot of sense.. good pathway.. water runs downhill and always seeks its own level... they talked about air seals @ doors!!!! if they use baffle seals as a regular seal and do not have compressed air left... they may have lots of "compromised areas" not just the rod pools... I would suspect that any tunnel not a drainage tunnel would be "sealed"
by fitter at 3/28/2011 9:51:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:51:59 AM" ) )3:51 AM yesterday
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Well, i guess, i go back to watching Sesame Street than.later.
by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 9:50:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:50:14 AM" ) )3:50 AM yesterday
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Ok, so maybe the girl has it that made the whole Video of it.
Anyways, looks like steam to me?
by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 9:47:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:47:57 AM" ) )3:47 AM yesterday
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does any one know the appr temp of the ocean water? the probably has been a issue with "themal shock" to some of the systems.
by fitter at 3/28/2011 9:45:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:45:58 AM" ) )3:45 AM yesterday
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I wished we had the picture prior to it.
by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 9:45:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:45:39 AM" ) )3:45 AM yesterday
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by
VeenOui via
Pointscope01.jp at 3/28/2011 9:44:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:44:53 AM" ) )3:44 AM yesterday
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by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 9:44:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:44:35 AM" ) )3:44 AM yesterday
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is that smoke/steam in the pic? i can never tell
by sgl at 3/28/2011 9:44:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:44:07 AM" ) )3:44 AM yesterday
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yesterday when we were loking at above round damage someone asked if the piping systems that are broken off might be "feedwater" not haveing plant drawings its only a guess but they would have major protection (i hope) around the critiacal systems since 9/11. i've been wondering what !!! what better than to put them in a secure reinforce concrete sealed "trench"
by fitter at 3/28/2011 9:43:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:43:53 AM" ) )3:43 AM yesterday
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@VeenOui- you looking for the link?
by Terratalk at 3/28/2011 9:43:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:43:12 AM" ) )3:43 AM yesterday
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by ifz at 3/28/2011 9:43:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:43:01 AM" ) )3:43 AM yesterday
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@fiona to link something just paste link into your message
by sgl at 3/28/2011 9:42:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:42:52 AM" ) )3:42 AM yesterday
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most industrial plant have" tunnels/trenches" the mechanicla/electrical systems run through them. some are "like NASA" 30' wide by 10' high concrete thoughways. but most all industrial plants have "trenchs appr 4' wide by 4' deep. the mechanical systems run underground.. for many reasons..
by fitter at 3/28/2011 9:40:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:40:00 AM" ) )3:40 AM yesterday
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Did anyone remember to post TEPCO WebCam Pictures here ?
by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 9:38:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:38:43 AM" ) )3:38 AM yesterday
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Those NISA people are &/&)(/%&(%&!! *GRRR* What should anyone make of that "sketch"?
by Salvador at 3/28/2011 9:37:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:37:48 AM" ) )3:37 AM yesterday
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@sgl - Is that to scale ?
by Treiagonaut at 3/28/2011 9:37:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:37:10 AM" ) )3:37 AM yesterday
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@sgl i tried to link it here but didn't know how! doh
by fiona at 3/28/2011 9:37:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:37:06 AM" ) )3:37 AM yesterday
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From Yokoso news twitter: NISA: Very quick graph of the trench tunnel of Fukushima Nuclear
t.coby sgl at 3/28/2011 9:35:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:35:58 AM" ) )3:35 AM yesterday
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@ fiona That's a heck of a radioactive tsumani! lol
by Watching at 3/28/2011 9:35:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:35:44 AM" ) )3:35 AM yesterday
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Good questions for dean.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 9:35:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:35:35 AM" ) )3:35 AM yesterday
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it might make the source of contamition easier to find and contain and they may have thier own pumpimg system that they can get back operating
by fitter at 3/28/2011 9:35:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:35:32 AM" ) )3:35 AM yesterday
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Were those rain drainage trenches? Because what other reason could they have to dig trenches around reactor buildings.
by Salvador at 3/28/2011 9:35:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:35:04 AM" ) )3:35 AM yesterday
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Is 'trench' the same as 'canal'? I recall Dean mentioning something about the canal yesterday.
by es at 3/28/2011 9:34:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:34:46 AM" ) )3:34 AM yesterday
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@Jojo I read no information about that yet but, according to Kyodo News, the trenches were exposed when they cleared some rubble. Very little information still. I'm also waiting for IAEA's daily report. I'm surprised it hasn't been published yet.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 9:33:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:33:26 AM" ) )3:33 AM yesterday
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@fitter Maybe I missunderstodd the use of the word basement, but I thought this meant it was actually under the ground level.
by Salvador at 3/28/2011 9:32:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:32:13 AM" ) )3:32 AM yesterday
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How does this trench contamination affect work on reactor 2?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 9:30:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:30:39 AM" ) )3:30 AM yesterday
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@jojo -looking not found anything yet
by fiona at 3/28/2011 9:30:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:30:11 AM" ) )3:30 AM yesterday
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Maybe this new finding can hint at where all the unusual radiation levels since day one have been originated from. And also the ocean contamination.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 9:29:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:29:47 AM" ) )3:29 AM yesterday
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@Salvador This might be a different source of water from the basement water, or maybe this trench water is from the reactor core like the basement water.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 9:29:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:29:20 AM" ) )3:29 AM yesterday
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@salvador why do you say the trench elevation must be higher than the tubine bld?
by fitter at 3/28/2011 9:27:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:27:55 AM" ) )3:27 AM yesterday
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@fiona Anything in English?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 9:27:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:27:22 AM" ) )3:27 AM yesterday
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At least it's not atmospheric radiation. The question how it could leak into that "trench" is a very important one, because the trench must have a higher level than the turbine buildings basement.
by Salvador at 3/28/2011 9:25:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:25:59 AM" ) )3:25 AM yesterday
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@watching-hi i saw that too-what about the comment the water may have come from the Tsunami!
by fiona at 3/28/2011 9:23:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:23:21 AM" ) )3:23 AM yesterday
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@dean @all do you know of any good sites that are working on "constructability or damage assesment" on the plant now that some ariel shot and data are comming out.. would like to find site analying proablities of "next move" with what may be left of systems????
by fitter at 3/28/2011 9:22:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:22:52 AM" ) )3:22 AM yesterday
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Hey, I haven't posted since the Reuters site ended but I thought I'd add this information from Yokosonews - at last Tepco conference it was reported that radioactive water was found inside a trench tunnel. He says between reactor 1~3 and I'm not sure what that means. The high level of >1,000 millisieverts was found yesterday at 3:45 and not reported until 5 pm today. Here is the link:
twitter.comby Watching at 3/28/2011 9:19:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:19:45 AM" ) )3:19 AM yesterday
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@Salvador Don't know. THe previous high levels was in the basement of the turbine? of reactor 2. This is outside the building, so I'm guessing that people would be affected that got close to the building.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 9:17:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:17:18 AM" ) )3:17 AM yesterday
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"High levels of radiation exceeding 1,000 millisieverts per hour were found in water in a trench outside the No. 2 reactor's turbine building at the troubled nuclear power plant in Fukushima on Sunday afternoon, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Monday."
english.kyodonews.jp What kind of "trench" could this be?
by Salvador at 3/28/2011 9:15:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:15:43 AM" ) )3:15 AM yesterday
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english.kyodonews.jp URGENT: High-level radiation detected in trench outside Fukushima reactor building
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 9:12:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:12:49 AM" ) )3:12 AM yesterday
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@you Should be "fair enough".
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 9:10:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:10:25 AM" ) )3:10 AM yesterday
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@Pedro Jesus ir enough. I really hope that Kyodo is wrong, but we will know soon enough
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 9:09:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:09:42 AM" ) )3:09 AM yesterday
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@Salvador Kyodo has made more mistakes than TEPCO so far. But I was not referring to that. Kyodo news quoted TEPCO as the source so I'm waiting for a confirmation. There has been a lot of misinformation going around.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 9:08:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:08:39 AM" ) )3:08 AM yesterday
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@Pedro Jesus So what? Kyodo is an official source as far as this situation goes. They won't invent things like this just for shits and giggles.
by Salvador at 3/28/2011 9:05:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:05:05 AM" ) )3:05 AM yesterday
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Reuters Reuters Top News
FLASH: Nuclear operator Tokyo electric says radiation outside no.2 reactor was measured on Sunday
by elainekirk at 3/28/2011 9:04:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:04:44 AM" ) )3:04 AM yesterday
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TEPCO's website has no confirmation of that yet.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 9:02:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:02:45 AM" ) )3:02 AM yesterday
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BREAKING NEWS: Radiation above 1,000 millisieverts found outside No. 2 reactor: TEPCO
english.kyodonews.jp Look under "Latest news", no direct link or more info as of yet.
by Salvador at 3/28/2011 9:00:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 9:00:28 AM" ) )3:00 AM yesterday
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I don't see that information in any official sources. Is there a link?
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 8:59:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:59:19 AM" ) )2:59 AM yesterday
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Wow I hope TEPCO messed up with the calculations again. 1000 mSv / hour OUTSIDE the reactor, not good. It's daytime over there now, hopefully the numbers will go down. If they stop work on the reactor....
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:58:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:58:27 AM" ) )2:58 AM yesterday
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@Jojo - I would be calling that high too
by Treiagonaut at 3/28/2011 8:56:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:56:48 AM" ) )2:56 AM yesterday
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@elainekirk2001 Not a problem, really :)
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:56:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:56:24 AM" ) )2:56 AM yesterday
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@Treiagonaut 1000 mSv / hour would be considered high. As Salvador states, I really really really hope this isn't the case or they will be able to work around it.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:56:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:56:15 AM" ) )2:56 AM yesterday
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Well, I like the NHK world anchorwomen more. But that's personal taste.
by Salvador at 3/28/2011 8:55:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:55:54 AM" ) )2:55 AM yesterday
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@Salvador Yes, that's no good. Because > 1000 mSv might be 10,000 mSv! Lots of numbers are greater than 1000. Even at 1000 mSv, each worker would get their annual dose in just 15 minutes.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:55:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:55:15 AM" ) )2:55 AM yesterday
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I now simplify all readings to low, medium and high. Dont see the point in getting too obsessed with the actual values, most of them are probably wrong. Irresspective of any smoke and mirrors from TEPCO the information goes through too many hands before it gets onto the news websites.
by Treiagonaut at 3/28/2011 8:55:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:55:15 AM" ) )2:55 AM yesterday
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@jojo sorry did I give wrong link was spose be president of tepco
by elainekirk at 3/28/2011 8:55:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:55:10 AM" ) )2:55 AM yesterday
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But IF this is true and an atmospheric measurement, than every work at and around #2 must be stopped ASAP.
by Salvador at 3/28/2011 8:53:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:53:45 AM" ) )2:53 AM yesterday
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www.ustream.tv That link might start a trend of all female news reporters wearing French maid outfits. Guys, you with me?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:53:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:53:29 AM" ) )2:53 AM yesterday
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by elainekirk at 3/28/2011 8:50:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:50:21 AM" ) )2:50 AM yesterday
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@JoJo The turbine housing is outside of reactor building #2... Just saying. Remember, this is TEPCO giving "information".
by Salvador at 3/28/2011 8:50:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:50:07 AM" ) )2:50 AM yesterday
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@marie rich Wow, those are really high. Outside the reactor??? Good night...
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:48:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:48:04 AM" ) )2:48 AM yesterday
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@Salvador They probably are looking back on the high levels from before and thinking about what can be done to prevent them again.
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 8:47:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:47:26 AM" ) )2:47 AM yesterday
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NOW I AM REALLY GOING TO BED. bye bye
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 8:47:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:47:22 AM" ) )2:47 AM yesterday
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@JoJo I wonder why they give this order NOW. What do they know that we don't? Change of wind direction?
by Salvador at 3/28/2011 8:46:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:46:47 AM" ) )2:46 AM yesterday
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was checking my mail before bed and looked at kyodo BREAKING NEWS: Radiation above 1,000 millisieverts found outside No. 2 reactor: TEPCO
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 8:46:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:46:40 AM" ) )2:46 AM yesterday
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@Salvador THis is freakin' ridiculous if it not for so many infants that will be drinking this water.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:44:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:44:17 AM" ) )2:44 AM yesterday
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this came from yokosonews but I cant find anything to verify it TEPCO: At 3:30pm, the high radioactive water was found outside 1~3 Reactor Bldg - inside of trench tunnel
by elainekirk at 3/28/2011 8:43:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:43:13 AM" ) )2:43 AM yesterday
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To back track and use Sv, just look at the fatality rate and calc Sv by using 1 Sv = .05 fatalities.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:43:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:43:13 AM" ) )2:43 AM yesterday
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@borrrden You start with a Bq and exposure type. Then you plug it in to the coeffcieint table above (2.2, 2.3, etc.). From here you get a mortality or morbidity rate per second of exposure.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:42:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:42:13 AM" ) )2:42 AM yesterday
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@JoJo Wells? I wonder how they will "cover" the HUGE reservoirs the must have for Tokyo and other big cities.
by Salvador at 3/28/2011 8:41:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:41:27 AM" ) )2:41 AM yesterday
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english.kyodonews.jp The health ministry has instructed the operator of water purification plants nationwide to temporarily stop taking in rainwater to prevent contamination in tap water following radiation leaks from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, ministry officials said Sunday.
While calling on the plants to ensure stable supply of tap water, the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare also proposed covering pools of the plants with tarps to keep out rainwater or to use powdered activated carbon that can help get rid of radioactive materials.. Yeah, that's real effective. Cover water treatment plants with tarps. Hello? How do they get new water from OUTSIDE THE TARPS?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:40:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:40:59 AM" ) )2:40 AM yesterday
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@Jojo I don't mean to keep hounding this, but look at Appendix F of the EPA doc. None of the sample calculations use sieverts, all of them use becquerels and curies :-/.
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 8:39:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:39:46 AM" ) )2:39 AM yesterday
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@Salvador How is that effective? What water is left if they can't use water from rain or rivers?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:35:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:35:00 AM" ) )2:35 AM yesterday
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@marie rich Night. (better late than never).
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:34:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:34:02 AM" ) )2:34 AM yesterday
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A new order from Japans health ministry: From now on it's forbidden to use rain water or water from rivers in water treatment plants. The pools at the plants must be covered with plastic sheets.
www.n-tv.de (in german)
by Salvador at 3/28/2011 8:33:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:33:51 AM" ) )2:33 AM yesterday
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@borrrden I believe they take some of that into account when determining the "average" man. Their methodology in the EPA link I sent is a good 40 pages alone. It's just an average, so out of 1 million people exposed to exactly 1 Sievert, then chances are high it will be a 5% fatality. When you have 50 people, there is a certain confidence level (might be 0, might be 5).
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:27:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:27:50 AM" ) )2:27 AM yesterday
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Jojo I agree, I think 1 SV should be the standard of measurement. ,.0000001 SV should be a micro sievert.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 8:26:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:26:32 AM" ) )2:26 AM yesterday
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@Jojo I was referring to other factors, like genetics, sex, age, any chemical exposures, smoker vs non-smoker, stuff like that.
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 8:24:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:24:22 AM" ) )2:24 AM yesterday
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@borrrden Well, yes. They make common assumptions about a "man" and what their levels are. But that's what a Sievert attempts to do, standardizes a dose of radiation across all people. There are factors of the time, distance, type of isotope, and type of contact (inhalation, ingestions, soil, etc.). It's plugged in to get a Sievert, and then the fatality rate per Sievert is 5% with long-term cancer.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:23:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:23:20 AM" ) )2:23 AM yesterday
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As soon as ya look at it , it is kinda controlled Like Schroedinger's cat
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 8:23:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:23:02 AM" ) )2:23 AM yesterday
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@Pedro Jesus You can read about it on the EPA site here, I'm just reporting that.
www.epa.govby Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:21:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:21:09 AM" ) )2:21 AM yesterday
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Is there such a thing as a controlled environment? Not!
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 8:20:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:20:42 AM" ) )2:20 AM yesterday
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@Jojo The part about the exposure I understand; the part about the statistics concerning it's effect on health doesn't make any sense.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 8:19:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:19:49 AM" ) )2:19 AM yesterday
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I've got to get some sleep. I'm fading, as we used to say. Goodnight, my friends.
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 8:19:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:19:23 AM" ) )2:19 AM yesterday
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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/eLeb9.jpg[/IMG]
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Salvador via
I.imgur at 3/28/2011 8:18:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:18:44 AM" ) )2:18 AM yesterday
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@Jojo The lifestyles of those workers and people.
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 8:18:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:18:41 AM" ) )2:18 AM yesterday
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@borrrden What's not a controlled environment?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:18:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:18:03 AM" ) )2:18 AM yesterday
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@Pedro Jesus It's just 1 Sv. So if you have 1 Sv/ hour, it's 5%. 2 hours, 10 %. etc. It absolutely is linear, it's called linear no threshold. THe exposure to radiation is calculated in Sieverts, and then applied even to low levels lineraly.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:17:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:17:32 AM" ) )2:17 AM yesterday
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@Pedro Jesus all rates are based on 1 hour exposure. If you get 1Sv/hr you will have radiation sickness.
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 8:17:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:17:27 AM" ) )2:17 AM yesterday
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@Jojo That is not a controlled environment though, did you happen to look at the diagram illustrating other factors that could play a role?
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 8:16:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:16:55 AM" ) )2:16 AM yesterday
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@you Sorry should be low level radiation.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:16:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:16:16 AM" ) )2:16 AM yesterday
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@borrrden We already do expose millions of people to low level cancer. Radiation workers, xray techs, kids that get lots of xrays, international airline pilots. I can link to many EPA documents that show LNT is good science.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:16:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:16:05 AM" ) )2:16 AM yesterday
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Chernobyl did that already and it was a huge link.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 8:15:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:15:07 AM" ) )2:15 AM yesterday
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@Jojo What I mean is, when the EPA says that exposure to 1Sv (for how long, btw?) poses a 5% risk of developing lethal cancer, you can't go on doing maths calculations about the exposure to other levels of radiation. It doesn't work like that. It is not linear.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 8:15:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:15:01 AM" ) )2:15 AM yesterday
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If you take a look at the diagram at the bottom of page 11 of this document, you will see why it is hard to directly attribute low levels of radiation to cancer. I think the only way to confirm it would be to expose millions of people to it in a controlled environment.
www.unscear.orgby borrrden at 3/28/2011 8:14:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:14:01 AM" ) )2:14 AM yesterday
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here's a good site for rad dose 'cuz it's a good explaination and simple chart
users.rcn.comby marie rich at 3/28/2011 8:13:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:13:43 AM" ) )2:13 AM yesterday
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Which they have been doing for how many days?
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 8:12:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:12:50 AM" ) )2:12 AM yesterday
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If there was a leak in the turbine lines and if they umped water into the reactor vessel.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 8:12:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:12:13 AM" ) )2:12 AM yesterday
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@Pedro Jesus The EPA doesn't seem to think so. LNT.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:11:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:11:41 AM" ) )2:11 AM yesterday
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Pressure from the reactor vessel would push tainted water into the basement.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 8:10:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:10:34 AM" ) )2:10 AM yesterday
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@Paul (UK) the turbine building is next to the reactor building. It's the spent fuel pool thats on the upper floor
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 8:10:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:10:34 AM" ) )2:10 AM yesterday
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@Jojo Statistics on radiation are not linear. You can't extrapolate numbers in that way. That's very bad science.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 8:10:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:10:06 AM" ) )2:10 AM yesterday
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... and, related to the other ticker item on NHK that was posted below: "Japan's nuclear safety watchdog says radioactive elements from melted nuclear fuel have found their way from one of the reactors to a turbine building at the Fukushima Daiichi plant."
Experts, any conclusions from that? I thought the turbine buildings were up above the reactors, so presumably this stuff hasn't seeped downwards to get there?
by Paul (UK) at 3/28/2011 8:09:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:09:12 AM" ) )2:09 AM yesterday
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@Marie 8X that and you will have have no mind to lose.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 8:08:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:08:31 AM" ) )2:08 AM yesterday
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@marie rich I swear he was going to say "Who's on First? I don't know. Third base."
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:08:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:08:27 AM" ) )2:08 AM yesterday
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@Ralph Unger Rule of thumb is 1 Sv = 5% fatality rate from eventual cancer (in terms of long term effect, apart from acute effect). So 250 mSv would be 1.25% fatality rate each exposure.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:07:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:07:52 AM" ) )2:07 AM yesterday
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@jojo Dang That's what I thought!! He never really answered . HA, what a joke.
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 8:07:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:07:47 AM" ) )2:07 AM yesterday
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At this point, 250 mSv is causing a reduction in my brain cells
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 8:06:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:06:56 AM" ) )2:06 AM yesterday
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Edano, speaking about reactor #2 (contaminated puddles): "Up to now, I believe that the operation has been able to prevent further aggravation of the situation, various efforts have been made to this situation, the situation has not deteriorated, and so the situation has not changed".
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:06:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:06:46 AM" ) )2:06 AM yesterday
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Radiation above 250 millisieverts is said to cause health problems such as a temporary reduction in the number of white blood cells. lol it does not come up easy in a search anymore.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 8:05:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:05:49 AM" ) )2:05 AM yesterday
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by borrrden at 3/28/2011 8:04:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:04:02 AM" ) )2:04 AM yesterday
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Hard to find...
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 8:03:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:03:35 AM" ) )2:03 AM yesterday
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Look for the 250 mSv upgrade.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 8:03:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:03:07 AM" ) )2:03 AM yesterday
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@Ralph Unger TEPCO isn't the one that actually changed the limit, it was the Health Ministry.
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 8:02:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:02:54 AM" ) )2:02 AM yesterday
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@borrrden It's per year, I saw the original article when they bumped the limit.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 8:02:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:02:24 AM" ) )2:02 AM yesterday
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Many of my sources went away. Try to look up even the 250 mSv per year(from 100) upgrade by Tepco
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 8:01:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:01:58 AM" ) )2:01 AM yesterday
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@Ralph Unger I haven't seen anything to suggest that it was per hour....most sources simply say "limit" without being specific.
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 8:00:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 8:00:21 AM" ) )2:00 AM yesterday
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by elainekirk at 3/28/2011 7:59:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:59:34 AM" ) )1:59 AM yesterday
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250 mSv is the allowed rate, but that is per year, the allowed rate is per hour by Tepco.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:58:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:58:56 AM" ) )1:58 AM yesterday
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@marie rich He said samples I believe (didn't specifiy).
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 7:58:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:58:45 AM" ) )1:58 AM yesterday
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I'm talking about Rad doses allowed for workers- not rad rates in plant
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:57:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:57:02 AM" ) )1:57 AM yesterday
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On NHK News flash ticker now: "At the Fukushima nuclear power plant, high radioactive density detected in 3 turbine buildings may further delay work to restore the cooling systems for the overheated fuel rods."
Gets better ever day eh?
by Paul (UK) at 3/28/2011 7:56:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:56:53 AM" ) )1:56 AM yesterday
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zero key is kinda broken from the banking crisis.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:56:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:56:34 AM" ) )1:56 AM yesterday
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@Ralph Unger For exposure to the reactor 2 water you mean, not the whole plant.
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 7:56:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:56:15 AM" ) )1:56 AM yesterday
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Gosh guys read closely. that's what I said, for Japan. For international, incl. USA it's 500mSv per year
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:56:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:56:05 AM" ) )1:56 AM yesterday
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1000...
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:55:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:55:38 AM" ) )1:55 AM yesterday
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And 100 mSv at th plant.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:55:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:55:29 AM" ) )1:55 AM yesterday
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I got slammed for mentioning it earlier so... I thought i would pass it on .
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:54:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:54:57 AM" ) )1:54 AM yesterday
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@Jojo did he say would test the water, or just the dirt?
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:54:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:54:53 AM" ) )1:54 AM yesterday
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@marie rich It's 250 mSv per year.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 7:54:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:54:46 AM" ) )1:54 AM yesterday
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by borrrden at 3/28/2011 7:54:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:54:37 AM" ) )1:54 AM yesterday
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nettv.gov-online.go.jp About the press conference, Edano is saying they are checking for plutonium ( no results yet), are not letting people come back into the evacuation zone, presumably because of contamination.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 7:53:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:53:37 AM" ) )1:53 AM yesterday
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AWW Ralph, you must be fond of me to tease me...:)
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:53:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:53:22 AM" ) )1:53 AM yesterday
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Marie , do a search about it.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:52:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:52:39 AM" ) )1:52 AM yesterday
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Yep I guess.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:51:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:51:52 AM" ) )1:51 AM yesterday
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New CNN report states about reactor number 2: "An electrical pump and a diesel generator became operational Sunday, replacing a more temporary pumping system, to power the system used to cool the nuclear fuel inside the reactor."
edition.cnn.comby borrrden at 3/28/2011 7:51:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:51:51 AM" ) )1:51 AM yesterday
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oh, they call the years work a shift?
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:51:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:51:05 AM" ) )1:51 AM yesterday
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It's per guy, not the whole team. But with Tepco, who knows.
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:50:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:50:16 AM" ) )1:50 AM yesterday
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I do not know, but I suspect that the 250 MSv per shift, which means per year is not being applied correctly.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:49:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:49:29 AM" ) )1:49 AM yesterday
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@ifz cool pic thanx
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:49:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:49:09 AM" ) )1:49 AM yesterday
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by
ifz via
Originalbuzz.info at 3/28/2011 7:48:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:48:15 AM" ) )1:48 AM yesterday
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@marie rich Hmmm but if they had been wearing that, I don't think they would have had the burns. It says the company donated over 200 of them :-S.
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 7:48:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:48:14 AM" ) )1:48 AM yesterday
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@borrrden Those are expensive, very high tech and will only be used in the plant. Prob never actually see them on film.
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:46:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:46:57 AM" ) )1:46 AM yesterday
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Didn't they say the plant has a lot of workers that are contracted? So maybe why the difference in protected clothing.
by MaryW at 3/28/2011 7:46:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:46:05 AM" ) )1:46 AM yesterday
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@elainekirk2001 I've been ranting about NHK breaking off these press conf. THANKYOU! I didn't realize this was the pin up there
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:45:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:45:20 AM" ) )1:45 AM yesterday
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Smoking and trying to type , is a bad combination.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:44:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:44:32 AM" ) )1:44 AM yesterday
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The story about the black suits being donated from Florida is now 12 days old. I'm still unhappy that we aren't seeing them in use yet!!
www.miamiherald.comby borrrden at 3/28/2011 7:43:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:43:37 AM" ) )1:43 AM yesterday
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Boomm counter are iknown to be fauolty.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:43:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:43:36 AM" ) )1:43 AM yesterday
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the boom counter is cool. telescoping, very sensitive
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:42:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:42:55 AM" ) )1:42 AM yesterday
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Did you seem y post about the tide?
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:42:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:42:52 AM" ) )1:42 AM yesterday
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biggest problem was trhe survey- idiots for not doing immediately before
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:42:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:42:15 AM" ) )1:42 AM yesterday
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idk, idk
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:41:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:41:37 AM" ) )1:41 AM yesterday
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KK but did the people in japan use such fine tape?
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:41:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:41:19 AM" ) )1:41 AM yesterday
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Hey! Leave duct tape alone. I love the stuff.
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:41:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:41:17 AM" ) )1:41 AM yesterday
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Take a roll of duct tapr and immerse it in warter the glue swellls
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:40:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:40:18 AM" ) )1:40 AM yesterday
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didn't say duct tape. highly specialized. I want my son to steal me some but he won't....Brat! lol
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:40:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:40:18 AM" ) )1:40 AM yesterday
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actually the kind they use does
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:39:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:39:25 AM" ) )1:39 AM yesterday
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Duct tape id soulable in water.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:39:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:39:23 AM" ) )1:39 AM yesterday
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Tape might keep out air, it won't keep out water.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:38:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:38:37 AM" ) )1:38 AM yesterday
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wouldn't happen here in ole USA. very very strict- thank god for my son's sake!
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:38:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:38:37 AM" ) )1:38 AM yesterday
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THay should have had on rubber seamless boots that were taped, sleeves taped at gloves, etc. but the survey was done too far in advance, so they didn't know the water was hot
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:37:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:37:42 AM" ) )1:37 AM yesterday
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Good point Marie, but why weren't he other two wearing protection like that?
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:37:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:37:26 AM" ) )1:37 AM yesterday
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Ralph that's here in USA. BUt they were wearing at least some of that there. The one worker had on proper wellington boots and was ok
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:36:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:36:07 AM" ) )1:36 AM yesterday
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by borrrden at 3/28/2011 7:36:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:36:05 AM" ) )1:36 AM yesterday
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LOL that did not work out so well for the 3 workers.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:35:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:35:58 AM" ) )1:35 AM yesterday
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@marie rich Except for those guys standing in the radioactive water for a half hour.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 7:35:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:35:57 AM" ) )1:35 AM yesterday
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@Ralph Unger The two injured workers were not working in a contaminated area. The 3 that were exposed to high radiation doses were not injured in the process.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 7:35:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:35:51 AM" ) )1:35 AM yesterday
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plus, before they go in they do a survey with a boom counter. gives them an idea where the hotest spots are. Radiation dosae is a function of time And distance.
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:35:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:35:08 AM" ) )1:35 AM yesterday
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@Marie Who wears that? None of the injured worker were wearing that.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:34:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:34:42 AM" ) )1:34 AM yesterday
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Thay wear rad suits, bootie respirators (oxygen tanks if real bad), and dosimeters that they're supposed to wear and listen to. cuts out all alpha, beta, some gamma. hence the time limits
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:33:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:33:23 AM" ) )1:33 AM yesterday
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It's 250 mSv per YEAR and the water at the bottom of reactor 2 is AT LEAST 1 Sv (1000 Sv). And RISING.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 7:33:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:33:13 AM" ) )1:33 AM yesterday
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Name anything good to protect you from gamma?
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:33:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:33:09 AM" ) )1:33 AM yesterday
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Paper and skin id good for Alpha but...
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:31:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:31:58 AM" ) )1:31 AM yesterday
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I apologize for the repetition.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 7:31:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:31:52 AM" ) )1:31 AM yesterday
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@Pedro Jesus That's what I said in earlier post to ralph
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:31:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:31:21 AM" ) )1:31 AM yesterday
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No it does not! Name the gear?
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:31:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:31:17 AM" ) )1:31 AM yesterday
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@Ralph Unger Your forgeting that the protective gear (at least when they have it) cuts down alot on exposure.
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:30:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:30:50 AM" ) )1:30 AM yesterday
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@marie rich That is the international limit. Japan laws are a lot more strict when it comes to radiation exposure.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 7:30:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:30:34 AM" ) )1:30 AM yesterday
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@Ralph Unger Hence the repeated evacuations :-/
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 7:30:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:30:08 AM" ) )1:30 AM yesterday
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@Ralph Unger Pretty much.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 7:29:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:29:58 AM" ) )1:29 AM yesterday
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If it is 250 per year then you can walk up to the plants and wave a bit and then go home, you got your 250 mSvs.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:29:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:29:43 AM" ) )1:29 AM yesterday
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Trust me, Ralph, for Japan I can't confirm, but it's 500mSv (uSv) a year for a worker. My son is a radtech
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:29:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:29:30 AM" ) )1:29 AM yesterday
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@borrrden Yes, you're right. 1 mSv not related to medical radiation or background radiation.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 7:29:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:29:25 AM" ) )1:29 AM yesterday
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I see two sources , 1 says per shift (per day I assume) 250 mSv limit (Tepco) and 1 says per year.250 mSv limit (Tepco)_.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:28:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:28:05 AM" ) )1:28 AM yesterday
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@Jojo That number is slightly dubious. It is 1 mSv / year limit to the general public directly resulting from any nuclear operation. Most people receive more than that per year from medical procedures (not to mention natural sources).
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 7:27:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:27:14 AM" ) )1:27 AM yesterday
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@Ralph Unger Which is why stuff don't add up. They just found OVER 1 Sv (1000 mSv) per hour in the contmainated water (calcs put it at about 3 Sv/hour). Evan at 1 Sv/ hour, you could have a worker stand there for 15 mins MAX before being sent home...forever. So they are either not able to do work, have tons and tons of workers. or they are going over the limit regularly.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 7:26:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:26:50 AM" ) )1:26 AM yesterday
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@Ralph Unger don't have a source to cite, but it would be per worker/yr. when you hit 250usv you're moved to non-exposure position. In the USA, the limit for workers is 500usv (msv).
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:26:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:26:42 AM" ) )1:26 AM yesterday
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@Ralph Unger 250 mSv / YEAR. 1 mSv / year is EPA limit for regular people.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 7:25:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:25:21 AM" ) )1:25 AM yesterday
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@Ralph Unger From other things I have read, once they reach the limit they are discharged from working at the plant. I will try to look for a source that states this.
by borrrden at 3/28/2011 7:23:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:23:53 AM" ) )1:23 AM yesterday
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Is NHK the only source channel for these reports? They totally don't cover it! I want to hear it all.
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:22:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:22:55 AM" ) )1:22 AM yesterday
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by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:22:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:22:51 AM" ) )1:22 AM yesterday
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Exposure to 100 millisieverts is the legal limit for nuclear plant workers dealing with an emergency, but the limit has been raised to 250 millisieverts during the ongoing crisis, the worst Japan has seen, at the plant some 220 kilometers northeast of Tokyo.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:20:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:20:36 AM" ) )1:20 AM yesterday
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@Jojo this sit is very useful for all kinds of conversions. You can put in whatever you want in search.
www.asknumbers.comby marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:16:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:16:18 AM" ) )1:16 AM yesterday
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@andyjsha Hi Andy, how are things with you? You are in Japan, right?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 7:15:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:15:12 AM" ) )1:15 AM yesterday
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@hans Morning
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 7:14:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:14:54 AM" ) )1:14 AM yesterday
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@marie rich Thanks.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 7:14:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:14:42 AM" ) )1:14 AM yesterday
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by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:13:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:13:14 AM" ) )1:13 AM yesterday
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checking, brb
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:12:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:12:10 AM" ) )1:12 AM yesterday
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by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:11:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:11:41 AM" ) )1:11 AM yesterday
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by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 7:08:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:08:18 AM" ) )1:08 AM yesterday
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@marie rich Do you know the readings to curies for a Geiger counter?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 7:07:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:07:56 AM" ) )1:07 AM yesterday
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good morning guys
by hans at 3/28/2011 7:07:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:07:51 AM" ) )1:07 AM yesterday
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just read newspaper, it seems we have a partial melting.. crisis are going over years now
by hans at 3/28/2011 7:07:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:07:35 AM" ) )1:07 AM yesterday
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by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:06:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:06:54 AM" ) )1:06 AM yesterday
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@marie rich Uh... I just found this:
yosemite.epa.gov!OpenDocument which shows .068 pC of Iodine I-131 in San Francisco. That is .0025 Bq. So if you are exposed to that every second, it would be 9/hr or 216 Bq/day. Very small amount.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 7:06:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:06:19 AM" ) )1:06 AM yesterday
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ok Ralph, i emailed the link to myself so I wouldn't lose it
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:05:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:05:09 AM" ) )1:05 AM yesterday
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@marie rich hi been on and off all day.
by gabe at 3/28/2011 7:04:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:04:44 AM" ) )1:04 AM yesterday
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@gabe HI! how long have you been here?
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 7:02:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:02:44 AM" ) )1:02 AM yesterday
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@Sal Bees can't actually fly, I know the scam.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:02:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:02:11 AM" ) )1:02 AM yesterday
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Make sure he adds this data,
atmc.jpby Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:01:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:01:00 AM" ) )1:01 AM yesterday
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@Ralph Unger It's a very simple and useful method to misinform the public. Pick and choose the "best" numbers -meaning the lowest- and stop to publish the worse ones. Pronto- "the situation is dangerous but stabilized". Propaganda 101. Lying without telling falsehoods.
by Salvador at 3/28/2011 7:00:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:00:45 AM" ) )1:00 AM yesterday
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Agreed!
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 7:00:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:00:02 AM" ) )1:00 AM yesterday
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@Ralph Unger I think george said he was going to do spread sheets of ALL data. wicked good idea.
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 6:59:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:59:42 AM" ) )12:59 AM yesterday
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Regular means average.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 6:59:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:59:28 AM" ) )12:59 AM yesterday
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Edano on again in 2 minutes. Y'all have the link.
by gabe at 3/28/2011 6:59:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:59:06 AM" ) )12:59 AM yesterday
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Check the records I used the lowest (as in worst wind directions to add to the numbers) to make that post. If I used regular info it would be much worse.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 6:58:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:58:19 AM" ) )12:58 AM yesterday
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The geiger counters on ustream are better - you can see the counts per minute, and they have unmoderated chat..... which is usually bad.
by FradyKat at 3/28/2011 6:58:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:58:16 AM" ) )12:58 AM yesterday
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@Jojo check this out...got it back door for near my area. but SHHHH! don't tell... Fixed Monitor Location: KS: WICHITA
Measurement Start Date/Time: 03/25/2011 08:06:52 PM
Measurement End Date/Time: 03/25/2011 09:07:00 PM
Beta Gross Count Rate (CPM): 447
Gamma Energy Range 2 Gross(CPM): 1862
Gamma Energy Range 3 Gross(CPM): 1117
Gamma Energy Range 4 Gross(CPM): 330
Gamma Energy Range 5 Gross(CPM): 177
Gamma Energy Range 6 Gross(CPM): 113
Gamma Energy Range 7 Gross(CPM): 142
Gamma Energy Range 8 Gross(CPM): 95
Gamma Energy Range 9 Gross(CPM): 33
Gamma Energy Range 10 Gross(CPM): 49
cdxnode64.epa.gov by marie rich at 3/28/2011 6:58:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:58:12 AM" ) )12:58 AM yesterday
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@Ralph - wind direction changes
by FradyKat at 3/28/2011 6:56:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:56:06 AM" ) )12:56 AM yesterday
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And then there is this:
www.epa.gov As of 8:30am (EDT) EPA's RadNet radiation air monitors across the U.S. show typical fluctuations in background radiation levels. The levels detected are far below levels of concern. As of 8:30am (EDT) EPA's RadNet radiation air monitors across the U.S. show typical fluctuations in background radiation levels. The levels detected are far below levels of concern. Repeated over and over, but no data.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:56:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:56:01 AM" ) )12:56 AM yesterday
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@marie rich Thanks for this, but every time I try to see the data I get an error. I tried this link earlier, and it's been down all day.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:55:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:55:06 AM" ) )12:55 AM yesterday
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@Hank Scorpio Man I hope so.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:54:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:54:18 AM" ) )12:54 AM yesterday
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@Jojo here is the epa real-time radnet. Been hard to get on the last few days
www.epa.govby marie rich at 3/28/2011 6:53:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:53:38 AM" ) )12:53 AM yesterday
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Are they lying to us?
March 18th 8:10 PM West Gate 447.6 µSv/h
March 18th 8:00 PM North of Main Building 3,611.0 µSv/h
8 times more north of main building.
March 26th 3:00 AM West Gate 126.7 µSv/h
so it might be about like this if it were posted.
March 26th 3:00 AM North of Main Building 1013.6 µSv/h
There are many instances where the reading were more then 10 times different.
Why does everyplace with a high reading disapear form the posts?
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 6:53:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:53:36 AM" ) )12:53 AM yesterday
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@Jojo - I think someone has confused milli and micro again.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 6:53:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:53:29 AM" ) )12:53 AM yesterday
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@marie rich Wow, I really hope that site is not correct. They are measuring 100 cpm as .1 mR/hr. Where .1 mR = .001 mSv. So in New York they are measure .044 mSv/Hour???? That would be incredible radiation.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:51:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:51:42 AM" ) )12:51 AM yesterday
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people are a lot nicer to each other on here than on the wsj
online.wsj.comby andyjsha at 3/28/2011 6:48:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:48:44 AM" ) )12:48 AM yesterday
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@Pat Right, but it does incredible damage in that time if ingested/inhaled. The isotope is still there, we just pass it in a number of days/weeks.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:48:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:48:31 AM" ) )12:48 AM yesterday
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for 30 years to be half as strong.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 6:47:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:47:46 AM" ) )12:47 AM yesterday
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by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 6:47:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:47:26 AM" ) )12:47 AM yesterday
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But in the soil it still presents itself.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 6:46:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:46:16 AM" ) )12:46 AM yesterday
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IAEA updated info on the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant's status. You can also find this information at the IAEA official website in case you don't trust Wiki.
en.wikipedia.orgby Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 6:45:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:45:48 AM" ) )12:45 AM yesterday
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From "Black's veterinary dictionary" via a google search (refers to chernobyl in text). "Although the physical half life or Radiocaesium is 30 years, it's biological half life is much shorter. in adult animals the half life is estimated at between 30 to 100 days."
by Pat at 3/28/2011 6:45:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:45:22 AM" ) )12:45 AM yesterday
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by Sin at 3/28/2011 6:45:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:45:02 AM" ) )12:45 AM yesterday
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@marie rich I saw that...any "official" data?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:44:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:44:56 AM" ) )12:44 AM yesterday
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by marie rich at 3/28/2011 6:44:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:44:24 AM" ) )12:44 AM yesterday
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by marie rich at 3/28/2011 6:43:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:43:47 AM" ) )12:43 AM yesterday
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@andyjsha It's still better than a lot of prefectures, but that is still really high for Tokyo.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:43:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:43:46 AM" ) )12:43 AM yesterday
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@Jojo Try this. but I think there's another, brb
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 6:43:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:43:33 AM" ) )12:43 AM yesterday
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by Sin at 3/28/2011 6:43:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:43:07 AM" ) )12:43 AM yesterday
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Ack.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 6:42:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:42:36 AM" ) )12:42 AM yesterday
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Well. there is really no surprise in this news of a "partial" meltdown of #2.
by Salvador at 3/28/2011 6:42:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:42:27 AM" ) )12:42 AM yesterday
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by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 6:42:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:42:17 AM" ) )12:42 AM yesterday
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<iframe id="dit-video-embed" width="640" height="360" src="http://static.discoverymedia.com/videos/components/nws/31d12cc10a78b49e0e3bf11cfcfa267585498872/snag-it-player.html?auto=no" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" allowtransparency="true"></iframe>
by Sin at 3/28/2011 6:41:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:41:42 AM" ) )12:41 AM yesterday
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I meant "hasn't"
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 6:41:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:41:05 AM" ) )12:41 AM yesterday
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Ralph, do you play poker or something?
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 6:40:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:40:35 AM" ) )12:40 AM yesterday
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by andyjsha at 3/28/2011 6:40:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:40:35 AM" ) )12:40 AM yesterday
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@Jojo I think I did... try to find link, brb
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 6:40:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:40:35 AM" ) )12:40 AM yesterday
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Spike on the early hours of the 23rd.
by andyjsha at 3/28/2011 6:40:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:40:29 AM" ) )12:40 AM yesterday
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@marie rich They have always considered that as a possibility from the start, in fact, the first time I saw it mentioned was on a TEPCO report dating from maybe a couple of weeks back. That's what started all the speculation. But as of this moment, and regardless of all the speculation, that possibility has yet been confirmed nor denied.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 6:40:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:40:23 AM" ) )12:40 AM yesterday
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Very good links at the top of this blog.
by MaryW at 3/28/2011 6:40:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:40:12 AM" ) )12:40 AM yesterday
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by
Ralph Unger via
Photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net at 3/28/2011 6:40:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:40:01 AM" ) )12:40 AM yesterday
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Has anyone seen updated radiation data for the US? Actual data, not "really low levels so don't worry about it"
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:39:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:39:35 AM" ) )12:39 AM yesterday
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I agree Ralph. I am very selfish. In fact, you might call me narcissistic. That could be fair. All I know is that if there's relevant info, we'll be talking about it. Easiest way to know if anything important is here is if you see links.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 6:39:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:39:06 AM" ) )12:39 AM yesterday
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Ummm. Why?
by Terratalk at 3/28/2011 6:38:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:38:55 AM" ) )12:38 AM yesterday
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@Dom thanks, I'll try in a bit
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 6:38:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:38:54 AM" ) )12:38 AM yesterday
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6 monitors
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 6:38:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:38:32 AM" ) )12:38 AM yesterday
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@marie www.japansubculture.com, for some reason, it is down at present
by Dom at 3/28/2011 6:38:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:38:24 AM" ) )12:38 AM yesterday
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Six screens?
by Terratalk at 3/28/2011 6:38:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:38:09 AM" ) )12:38 AM yesterday
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@Pedro Jesus Do you think it was like coughing up a bone when he admitted it?
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 6:37:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:37:36 AM" ) )12:37 AM yesterday
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Anyone know how much it sucks to have rigid ethics combined with an undying hatred of humans?
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 6:37:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:37:30 AM" ) )12:37 AM yesterday
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Good point Hank, but I have six screens full of info at all times and a lot of chatter makes this screen less useful for info.Selfish, I guess.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 6:37:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:37:23 AM" ) )12:37 AM yesterday
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KYODO NEWS: South Korea Red Cross collects $21.3 billion record donations for disaster in Japan.
by MaryW at 3/28/2011 6:37:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:37:15 AM" ) )12:37 AM yesterday
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@Dom Link?
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 6:36:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:36:56 AM" ) )12:36 AM yesterday
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@marie rich If you go through IAEA and TEPCO reports a week and a half back you will find out that that [containment vessel breach] has been suspected since early on in the crisis... which is, however, completely different from having been confirmed.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 6:36:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:36:49 AM" ) )12:36 AM yesterday
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@Marie - Good article! I was looking for that picture of #4's damage.
by Terratalk at 3/28/2011 6:36:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:36:26 AM" ) )12:36 AM yesterday
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I'm outta here, until I get up and a moderator has banned the idiots. Goodnight all.
by Patrick Kelley at 3/28/2011 6:36:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:36:09 AM" ) )12:36 AM yesterday
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I agree with you Hank. Glad to know some here have a sense of humor.
by Sin at 3/28/2011 6:36:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:36:05 AM" ) )12:36 AM yesterday
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geez ... according to www.japansubulture.com- The Japanese police are quietly beginning an investigation into TEPCO, the managing entity of the Fukushima Nuclear Reactor for charges of professional negligence resulting in death or injury.
by Dom at 3/28/2011 6:35:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:35:12 AM" ) )12:35 AM yesterday
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There is a cat island in japan...nothing but old people and cats. You may be pleased to know they escaped unscathed.
news.discovery.comby Sin at 3/28/2011 6:35:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:35:07 AM" ) )12:35 AM yesterday
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Let's face it folks. Each one of us that's here is obviously obsessed with this situation for one reason or another. We can't just sit here staring at the screen waiting for updates. It's boorrrrrrring.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 6:34:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:34:56 AM" ) )12:34 AM yesterday
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@Veen Okay that was FUNNY! And did not rely on poking fun at others' beliefs for it's effectiveness. And on that note, I'm out. Night all.
by Bev at 3/28/2011 6:34:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:34:04 AM" ) )12:34 AM yesterday
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OK ... that's it ... I'm going to bed.
by Terratalk at 3/28/2011 6:33:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:33:51 AM" ) )12:33 AM yesterday
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I am enjoying this site anyways.But as a news source...
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 6:33:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:33:34 AM" ) )12:33 AM yesterday
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Didn't realize that they were admitting radwater in #2 could have come from core
english.kyodonews.jpby marie rich at 3/28/2011 6:33:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:33:30 AM" ) )12:33 AM yesterday
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Chernobyl cat?
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 6:33:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:33:20 AM" ) )12:33 AM yesterday
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LOLOLOLOL!
by Terratalk at 3/28/2011 6:33:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:33:14 AM" ) )12:33 AM yesterday
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OMG ... what is that?
by Terratalk at 3/28/2011 6:32:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:32:57 AM" ) )12:32 AM yesterday
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by
Hank Scorpio via
Henryjenkins.org at 3/28/2011 6:32:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:32:37 AM" ) )12:32 AM yesterday
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Terra - I'm just screwing around. Why so serious?
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 6:31:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:31:17 AM" ) )12:31 AM yesterday
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News flash: Glenn Beck sends 500 tons of M&Ms to fukushima.
by FradyKat at 3/28/2011 6:31:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:31:17 AM" ) )12:31 AM yesterday
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by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 6:31:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:31:05 AM" ) )12:31 AM yesterday
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For Pete's sake ... I might as well go over to the TEPCO site, and find THEIR latest spin on the facts ...
by Terratalk at 3/28/2011 6:30:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:30:52 AM" ) )12:30 AM yesterday
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Guys and gals keep up the posts, but try to keep it to linked news instead of other things.
by Ralph Unger at 3/28/2011 6:30:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:30:13 AM" ) )12:30 AM yesterday
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no problem, friend. We're all a bit antsy waiting for SOMEBODY TO GIVE US SOME FACTS! and i do mean you, Tepco
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 6:29:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:29:57 AM" ) )12:29 AM yesterday
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We'll have togetherness when everyone realizes I'm right. ;)
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 6:29:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:29:44 AM" ) )12:29 AM yesterday
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NEWS ADVISORY Fukushima Bakery no longer sells plain bread but TOAST !
by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 6:29:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:29:13 AM" ) )12:29 AM yesterday
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@Marie @Bev - Sorry if I was off-topic. Will keep quiet.
by Cup at 3/28/2011 6:28:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:28:52 AM" ) )12:28 AM yesterday
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A little banter is fine, now and again. But politics is lethal, and undermines our togeherness on this. Let's all just let that go, hmmm?
by marie rich at 3/28/2011 6:27:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:27:52 AM" ) )12:27 AM yesterday
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The title of this scribble is Japan Earthquake.
by Pat at 3/28/2011 6:27:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:27:48 AM" ) )12:27 AM yesterday
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I know that when my speech bothers people, it's usually because they don't realize they don't actually believe what they think they do. :)
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 6:27:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:27:47 AM" ) )12:27 AM yesterday
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Hero's in every sense of the word: Tepco Worker's Email Reveals Personal Struggles
jp.wsj.comby Debra Beckham at 3/28/2011 6:27:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:27:46 AM" ) )12:27 AM yesterday
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No, Ralph, i thought you maybe had the internet/computer know-how as to how to go about it. sure did not mean to imply:)
by MaryW at 3/28/2011 6:27:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:27:43 AM" ) )12:27 AM yesterday
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That is probably the only thing working ...
by Terratalk at 3/28/2011 6:27:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:27:41 AM" ) )12:27 AM yesterday
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This just in from TEPCO, vending machines are working in the cafeteria.
by FradyKat at 3/28/2011 6:27:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:27:19 AM" ) )Monday, March 28, 2011 12:27 AM
