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@ gabe - I like your post - if this was a disaster movie - you would think the Tepco part was not very true to life wouldn't you.
by fiona at 3/28/2011 7:11:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:11:02 PM" ) ) Monday, March 28, 2011 1:11 PM
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@VeenOui,
by Peter Melzer at 3/28/2011 7:10:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:10:58 PM" ) )1:10 PM yesterday
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hehe :)
by ifz at 3/28/2011 7:10:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:10:57 PM" ) )1:10 PM yesterday
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@ifz guess not...
by Jay77 at 3/28/2011 7:10:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:10:41 PM" ) )1:10 PM yesterday
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''Written in German """
Guten Tag nach Deutschland :-)
by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 7:10:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:10:30 PM" ) )1:10 PM yesterday
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Ich kanns ja mal versuchen.. versteht mich jemand?
by ifz at 3/28/2011 7:10:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:10:18 PM" ) )1:10 PM yesterday
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Re: Hydrogen gas -- it doesn't take much to set it off if mixture w/O2 is right. Just a bit of static electrical discharge, and kaboom.
by Joshua Diamond at 3/28/2011 7:10:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:10:08 PM" ) )1:10 PM yesterday
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@all - Anyone looking at a new car in the next few months will likely run into higher prices. Stores that don't markup from MSRP will be holding the line or start marking up with second stickers. Stores that markup already will be far less likely to negotiate anything lower than MSRP. Consider yourselves warned.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 7:10:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:10:08 PM" ) )1:10 PM yesterday
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@Ben, my birthplace!
by Peter Melzer at 3/28/2011 7:10:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:10:03 PM" ) )1:10 PM yesterday
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@Joshua Diamond ...I have 2 nuclear plants within "striking distance"...one 100 miles north of me and a second about 130 miles northwest of me...but that one is right in my prevailing wind stream...
by MaryMary at 3/28/2011 7:09:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:09:51 PM" ) )1:09 PM yesterday
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Has anyone written a post in a language other than english? I'm curious if it auto-translates to english. If so, this could open the discussion up much wider than the current audience, as people can read in their own language. BTW, I'm in Colorado USA.
by Jay77 at 3/28/2011 7:09:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:09:23 PM" ) )1:09 PM yesterday
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too close to Hanford NR...
by karronna at 3/28/2011 7:09:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:09:07 PM" ) )1:09 PM yesterday
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Northern California
by openmind at 3/28/2011 7:08:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:08:34 PM" ) )1:08 PM yesterday
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East coast guy, now in Texas for past 6 years.
by quantman07 at 3/28/2011 7:08:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:08:33 PM" ) )1:08 PM yesterday
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brussels
by sublimator at 3/28/2011 7:08:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:08:23 PM" ) )1:08 PM yesterday
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New York -- just 4.25 miles from Indian Point NPS
by Joshua Diamond at 3/28/2011 7:08:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:08:01 PM" ) )1:08 PM yesterday
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So Cal
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 7:07:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:07:50 PM" ) )1:07 PM yesterday
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Southern California
by Powerfinger at 3/28/2011 7:07:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:07:37 PM" ) )1:07 PM yesterday
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Germany
by Mejin at 3/28/2011 7:07:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:07:33 PM" ) )1:07 PM yesterday
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Northeast US. Personally I've watched little of the tsunami video, no friends or family in that area. The nuclear part is, to me, the bigger problem overall, but I worked building doors for a shed this weekend, and get in lots of exercise time.
by markfm at 3/28/2011 7:07:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:07:29 PM" ) )1:07 PM yesterday
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Ottawa, ON, Canada
by kimbit at 3/28/2011 7:07:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:07:23 PM" ) )1:07 PM yesterday
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London
by curly at 3/28/2011 7:07:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:07:18 PM" ) )1:07 PM yesterday
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Spain :)
by es at 3/28/2011 7:07:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:07:15 PM" ) )1:07 PM yesterday
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L.A., CA USA
by Lisa at 3/28/2011 7:07:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:07:14 PM" ) )1:07 PM yesterday
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Campbell, California
by gabe at 3/28/2011 7:07:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:07:00 PM" ) )1:07 PM yesterday
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@Bev...we have been having lower than normal cold here...I wondered if it was the weather pattern from Japan..I thought of the reality of all those people without electricity or heat in the cold
by MaryMary at 3/28/2011 7:06:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:06:56 PM" ) )1:06 PM yesterday
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bend oregon
by karronna at 3/28/2011 7:06:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:06:31 PM" ) )1:06 PM yesterday
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A few examples of TEPCO's missteps:
finance.yahoo.com
-- For the first week after the tsunami, TEPCO radiation reports showed that hourly readings of airborne levels near the plant had were twice as high as recommended health levels. In fact, they had been off by one decimal point for dozens of readings for days. Radiation doses had actually exceeded the limit by 13 times.
-- When three TEPCO workers were hospitalized after wading into radioactive water, the company gave their condition only as "unknown." Days later, the hospital and government officials reported the workers' conditions -- but TEPCO still refused to say anything.
-- TEPCO officials said two of those workers were injured after they were issued ankle-high protective boots to walk into highly radioactive knee-high water. The company has yet to explain how that happened.
When pressed for details, TEPCO officials often simply don't answer. They say they will check, insist an answer would disclose personal information or say they don't know.
Also baffling has been the obvious lack of coordination between TEPCO and its main government regulator, the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency.
TEPCO and NISA give separate news conferences, often releasing conflicting information. At one point, NISA acknowledged the possibility of a partial meltdown in much stronger language than TEPCO officials, only to tone it down later.
Crisis management experts say it is critical to have a central crisis office to release consistent information to the public and the media to avoid raising fears and to coordinate information from the utility, government, regulators and local officials.
But in Japan, responsibility tends to be spread out, imperiling crisis management.
The 24-hour "media center" at TEPCO headquarters, with its crammed desks, disorganized handouts and lack of scheduled briefings, looks more like a sloppy classroom. Officials often give just a few minutes warning before they make announcements, sometimes long after midnight.
Adding to the uncertainty is TEPCO's troubled history of cover-ups and scandals.
The company has been repeatedly penalized by the government over the years for misbehavior that includes tampering with reports on plant safety.
Surrounded recently by worried reporters, TEPCO manager Hikaru Kuroda promised that the workers now tackling the crisis were fully in control.
"I may be losing my grip on things, but they aren't losing theirs," he said with a smile.
As Japan shutdowns drag on, auto crisis worsens - AP
by gabe at 3/28/2011 7:06:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:06:15 PM" ) )1:06 PM yesterday
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more koblenz.. some minutes away from a nuclear power plant which was decommissioning in fear of an earthquake :)
en.wikipedia.orgby ifz at 3/28/2011 7:05:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:05:58 PM" ) )1:05 PM yesterday
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williamsburg va still in the colonial times... mail comes by horse and buggy if you get it.. and what is DSL anyway!!!! but we have great crabs
by fitter at 3/28/2011 7:05:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:05:41 PM" ) )1:05 PM yesterday
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south louisiana
by dtinla at 3/28/2011 7:05:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:05:12 PM" ) )1:05 PM yesterday
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Madison, AL...just west of Huntsville.
by James Ward at 3/28/2011 7:04:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:04:59 PM" ) )1:04 PM yesterday
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Atlanta, Ga.
by Pat at 3/28/2011 7:04:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:04:35 PM" ) )1:04 PM yesterday
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Pretty amazing Band of Brothers and Sisters.
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 7:04:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:04:34 PM" ) )1:04 PM yesterday
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Rainy FL. I can empathize with the stress thing. I saw rain and my first thought was "increased radiation." My 2nd thought was "you need to step away from Fukushima." so I went for a brisk walk in the sprinkles.
by Bev at 3/28/2011 7:04:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:04:03 PM" ) )1:04 PM yesterday
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@Pedro Jesus Saw a report on Kyodo yesterday that the PM visit may have delayed venting operations for fear of contaminating him with radiation. I didnt' catch if that was before or after the explosion
by Jay77 at 3/28/2011 7:04:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:04:00 PM" ) )1:04 PM yesterday
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south of Portugal
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 7:03:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:03:08 PM" ) )1:03 PM yesterday
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@Karen Warren Yea... But I don't have family in this, just good friends. And I am also in Las Vegas.
by Natalie at 3/28/2011 7:02:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:02:59 PM" ) )1:02 PM yesterday
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near Washington DC USA
by Bobby1 at 3/28/2011 7:02:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:02:53 PM" ) )1:02 PM yesterday
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SoCal US
by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 7:02:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:02:35 PM" ) )1:02 PM yesterday
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Poland
by john at 3/28/2011 7:02:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:02:21 PM" ) )1:02 PM yesterday
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Jersey girl here :)
by NervousinNJ at 3/28/2011 7:02:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:02:17 PM" ) )1:02 PM yesterday
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by kgriff at 3/28/2011 7:02:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:02:16 PM" ) )1:02 PM yesterday
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South Carolina, USA
by Janis Moulton at 3/28/2011 7:02:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:02:00 PM" ) )1:02 PM yesterday
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le monde reports that TEPCO has asked for help from EDF, Areva, and CEA
by sheilatoulouse at 3/28/2011 7:01:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:01:30 PM" ) )1:01 PM yesterday
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bonn, germany
by ifz at 3/28/2011 7:01:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:01:20 PM" ) )1:01 PM yesterday
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Oh for gods sake . . .
by Alaskan at 3/28/2011 7:01:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:01:14 PM" ) )1:01 PM yesterday
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While we are at it please post the blog stats
by WolfDK at 3/28/2011 7:00:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:00:56 PM" ) )1:00 PM yesterday
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Netherlands
by nls at 3/28/2011 7:00:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:00:53 PM" ) )1:00 PM yesterday
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@Alaskan "Hydrogen gas forms explosive mixtures with air if it is 4–74% concentrated and with chlorine if it is 5–95% concentrated. The mixtures spontaneously explode by spark, heat or sunlight. The hydrogen autoignition temperature, the temperature of spontaneous ignition in air, is 500 °C (932 °F).[13] Pure hydrogen-oxygen flames emit ultraviolet light and are nearly invisible to the naked eye" [Source: ^ Patnaik, P (2007). A comprehensive guide to the hazardous properties of chemical substances. Wiley-Interscience. p. 402. ISBN 0-471-71458-5.]
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 7:00:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:00:39 PM" ) )1:00 PM yesterday
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@jim i would almost agree except two reasons..1) because of #1 knew what was going to happen and IF IF they had any way to monitor.. would have though that they would vent (even though thats not a good thing) before risking the further damage from the exploion.. 2) from looking at the building construction it appears the top three sections are made to relieve.. explode (outward) so as not to contain the explosion inward... some labs are built with blow out walls for this reason.. and they do work... but just conjector.... like every thing else with the TEPCO info
by fitter at 3/28/2011 7:00:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 7:00:35 PM" ) )1:00 PM yesterday
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Victoria, B.C, Canada
by JPH at 3/28/2011 6:59:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:59:50 PM" ) )12:59 PM yesterday
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Viva Las Vegas
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 6:59:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:59:20 PM" ) )12:59 PM yesterday
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@Sheila: Are you seeing any reports in France re: its assist to TEPCO. If so, please report. Thanks.
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 6:59:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:59:00 PM" ) )12:59 PM yesterday
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Frankfurt, Germany
by Ben at 3/28/2011 6:58:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:58:40 PM" ) )12:58 PM yesterday
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Canada
by d_news at 3/28/2011 6:58:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:58:34 PM" ) )12:58 PM yesterday
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Shetland Isles.
by fiona at 3/28/2011 6:58:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:58:27 PM" ) )12:58 PM yesterday
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@Natalie: I've often wondered why Dean kept needing to go rest so often. Someone else mentioned that a family member with similar background was experiencing extreme stress.
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 6:58:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:58:09 PM" ) )12:58 PM yesterday
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Salem, MA USA
by Maureen Burke at 3/28/2011 6:57:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:57:46 PM" ) )12:57 PM yesterday
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Denmark
by WolfDK at 3/28/2011 6:57:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:57:33 PM" ) )12:57 PM yesterday
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Eastern USA, here
by MaryMary at 3/28/2011 6:57:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:57:02 PM" ) )12:57 PM yesterday
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@Alaskan No it doesn't but anyway, the conditions of temperature and pressure inside the buildings at the time were far from «normal».
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 6:56:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:56:43 PM" ) )12:56 PM yesterday
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i'm in france
by sheilatoulouse at 3/28/2011 6:56:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:56:28 PM" ) )12:56 PM yesterday
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@Pedro Jesus Yes, I agree, but hydrogen will not spontanously combust. Once it gets going though it makes for a very impressive explosion as we saw.
by Jim at 3/28/2011 6:56:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:56:20 PM" ) )12:56 PM yesterday
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@Jay77 OFF SUBJECT..a little...it would be interesting to know how many countries are represented on this forum right now...bet the sun never sets on it...?
by MaryMary at 3/28/2011 6:56:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:56:02 PM" ) )12:56 PM yesterday
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Hydrogen does need an ignition source to oxidize at normal temps and pressure. Also, the more air (O2) mixed with it, the bigger the explosion.
by Alaskan at 3/28/2011 6:55:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:55:40 PM" ) )12:55 PM yesterday
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@Jim If you don't understand all the lingo, it means hydrogen gas is inflammable at room temperature and very low ones at that. The temperatures inside the buildings were very high at the time of the explosions.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 6:55:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:55:33 PM" ) )12:55 PM yesterday
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@Karen Warren That's an issue I'm starting to have recently. Nightmares about the Tsunami. But I know how to fix that in myself. A little backwards, but I need to focus on it a little more and do some art for it. And I'll feel better.
by Natalie at 3/28/2011 6:54:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:54:18 PM" ) )12:54 PM yesterday
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@radioguy agreed. I'm just nervous about humor not being recognized as such. A big unmistakeable all-caps "HUMOR" before those posts would help. Particularly since there's an auto-translator built in to this site, which allows people to read in different languages around the world.
by Jay77 at 3/28/2011 6:54:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:54:10 PM" ) )12:54 PM yesterday
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@Jim That is not quite true. "Hydrogen gas (dihydrogen or molecular hydrogen)[10] is highly flammable and will burn in air at a very wide range of concentrations between 4% and 75% by volume.[11] The enthalpy of combustion for hydrogen is −286 kJ/mol:" Source:
en.wikipedia.orgby Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 6:54:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:54:04 PM" ) )12:54 PM yesterday
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Sounds like a good time for a nap.
by Sin at 3/28/2011 6:52:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:52:17 PM" ) )12:52 PM yesterday
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@Karen Warren ....lol.....yes, tear yourselves away and go eat something, at least....
by MaryMary at 3/28/2011 6:51:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:51:33 PM" ) )12:51 PM yesterday
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@fitter I think the reason #3 was so damaged relative to #1 and #4 had to do with the hydrogen. The gas itself will not ignite; it needs a spark to set it off. Since a greater quantity of gas built up in #3 before the spark set it off, there was more hydrogen present. It is like the difference between a firecracker going off and a warehouse of firecrackers catching fire. Just bad luck that the gas built up to such a degree before it ignited.
by Jim at 3/28/2011 6:51:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:51:12 PM" ) )12:51 PM yesterday
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Good advice, everyone. If it starts to affect you personally, walk away for awhile. If you can't, Nurse Rached will be here in an hour to dispense your Xanax.... :-)
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 6:50:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:50:50 PM" ) )12:50 PM yesterday
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OK, still an hour or so before Japan wakes up. I'm going to go do stuff. No doubt I'll be back.
by radioguy at 3/28/2011 6:49:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:49:23 PM" ) )12:49 PM yesterday
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@NHK: Ok. I saw the video a day after the accident.
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 6:48:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:48:17 PM" ) )12:48 PM yesterday
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@NHK Listener: No wounds? Take a look - about 10 seconds in to the video. www.youtube.com Your quote
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 6:48:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:48:04 PM" ) )12:48 PM yesterday
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@MaryMary That's great piece of advice.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 6:48:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:48:03 PM" ) )12:48 PM yesterday
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@Karen Warren You posted the video and said 10second in.. We were talking about exposure to the feet..
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 6:47:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:47:05 PM" ) )12:47 PM yesterday
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@Pat Agree. I had to do the same last week.
by es at 3/28/2011 6:46:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:46:21 PM" ) )12:46 PM yesterday
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Yes...really....we are here because we feel this blog is useful and informative. Allusions to "them", and "they" are not in the best interest of educating...cite your sources, please. URL's always welcome....
by MaryMary at 3/28/2011 6:45:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:45:49 PM" ) )12:45 PM yesterday
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@Pat Agreed. good advice. thank you. we need to take care of ourselves and families so that we are able to be there for them (and here for each other) in effective ways.
by Meretisa at 3/28/2011 6:45:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:45:47 PM" ) )12:45 PM yesterday
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@NHK: Not to belabor the conversation, but why do think that the 'lesion' that was previously reported was associated with a foot?
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 6:45:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:45:08 PM" ) )12:45 PM yesterday
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@tenzing am working, later when i can print plant layout so i know what building i am looking at i will look further at video...BUT WITH THE PLOTIUM ISSUE if you look at the actual explosion
www.youtube.com (remeber scale - height of build vs exhaut risers vs explosion plume... )it would not surprise me if they did't loose the top of the reator then... any one in this field,,, comments??? also what are the readings saying as far as when they started.. how much??? WILL RETURN tonight, but does anyone have any thoughts on why that explosion was so so much greater than #1 ..and #1 went outward and #2 and or #4 still have roofs- outward explosion.. welcome any thoughts back on #3... just to high and to much force for me to think all was still OK... and where did the sfr pool go???? sorry so sloppy!!!
by fitter at 3/28/2011 6:45:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:45:00 PM" ) )12:45 PM yesterday
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I think this lot have been doing a pretty good job of separating the sensation from the rational. In a way, it's been the spread of both that has defined the parameters and given the whole context.
by radioguy at 3/28/2011 6:44:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:44:56 PM" ) )12:44 PM yesterday
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Yes @alaskan, this is good:
www.rdtn.org But even here, each data point is being revealed in a different measurement. Have we as a group chosen the best method of measurement yet?
by Yuri at 3/28/2011 6:44:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:44:49 PM" ) )12:44 PM yesterday
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@kgriff Exactly. And..they take the type of contamination (skin, standing on it, ingesting it) is....wait for it....wait for it....taken into account when calculating how many Sieverts of exposure.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:44:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:44:34 PM" ) )12:44 PM yesterday
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Reply to all...if you are havng disturbing feelings and are feel you are bombarded with thoughts and images that you'd rather not have, then you need to consider a change for a while. I could not watch the videos of the tsuanmi raining death across the coast of japan, I had turn away for a time, I had to consider what I felt I could handle emotionally and mentally. The reactor crisis is not under human control at this point and there will be destruction, and there will be a way that this all becomes the past for us but this may not be the time that you want to be constantly bombarded with this.
by Pat at 3/28/2011 6:44:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:44:28 PM" ) )12:44 PM yesterday
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@Alaskan thats funny
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 6:44:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:44:27 PM" ) )12:44 PM yesterday
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by Alaskan at 3/28/2011 6:43:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:43:03 PM" ) )12:43 PM yesterday
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HUMOR: (insert joke here) - Could we follow that rule of netiquette on this blog to avoid spreading rumors/misinformation in attempts at humor? You never know who's going to pop in for 5 minutes and take away something as fact. We don't want to become a rumor mill here.
by Jay77 at 3/28/2011 6:42:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:42:27 PM" ) )12:42 PM yesterday
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@Hank Scorpio Thank you for that. I missed your humor.
by Natalie at 3/28/2011 6:42:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:42:14 PM" ) )12:42 PM yesterday
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@es No prob. THe coefficients for each exposure type is here:
www.epa.gov That lists % chance of fatality given exposure type (air, soil, etc.), isotope, distance, and Bq.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:42:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:42:05 PM" ) )12:42 PM yesterday
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@wtm - This is not a tea party. I'm drinking coffee.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 6:41:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:41:25 PM" ) )12:41 PM yesterday
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by Alaskan at 3/28/2011 6:41:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:41:17 PM" ) )12:41 PM yesterday
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I am implying that the patient in the youtube video is not one of the injured nuke workers, it is obvious that that video has been edited together. There was no credible news agency showing that footage.
by Sin at 3/28/2011 6:41:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:41:15 PM" ) )12:41 PM yesterday
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@Jojo Thanks for persisting on this matter. It is important to clarify.
by es at 3/28/2011 6:40:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:40:29 PM" ) )12:40 PM yesterday
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by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 6:39:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:39:45 PM" ) )12:39 PM yesterday
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@All here is a good presentation released last week on radiation / health effects
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 6:39:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:39:40 PM" ) )12:39 PM yesterday
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@joke Wonder if the price of lead is going up? They are sold out of Geiger counters. Really.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 6:39:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:39:07 PM" ) )12:39 PM yesterday
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It's not the superficial tissue wounds that kill you (unless a large percentage of your skin is affected, e.g. 3rd degree burned over 50% of your body). Acute radiation kills by inflaming deeper tissue, causing multiple organ failure, and overwhelming your body's immune system.
by Alaskan at 3/28/2011 6:39:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:39:00 PM" ) )12:39 PM yesterday
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@Sin: I do not understand your implications. Can you take a minute to clarify please?
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 6:38:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:38:47 PM" ) )12:38 PM yesterday
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I think that is why Reuters shut down the blog, they had no control over the transfer of information going on. Too bad !!! This is a "tea party" event going on here, we are the new generation of informed computer literate people, and it is very hard now to "pull the wool over our eyes" with disinformation by those that would do that.
by wtm at 3/28/2011 6:38:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:38:33 PM" ) )12:38 PM yesterday
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The skin cells directly exposed to the irradiated water will be at high risk of mutation and as a result cancer.
by LM at 3/28/2011 6:37:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:37:51 PM" ) )12:37 PM yesterday
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@kgriff Seriously if they drank the water it would probably be 4000 Sv.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:37:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:37:47 PM" ) )12:37 PM yesterday
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Thats the same video people were freaking out about. We all need to be rational.
by Sin at 3/28/2011 6:37:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:37:35 PM" ) )12:37 PM yesterday
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@kgriff As well as isotope. All of that is factored in to get ... a Sievert. THEY ALREADY FACTORED THAT IN to get 2-6 Sv.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:37:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:37:08 PM" ) )12:37 PM yesterday
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It is a leg. It's a wound. I worked in healthcare most of my life. The source is EuroNews. Add Japan in the search field, and you will find several videos.
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 6:37:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:37:03 PM" ) )12:37 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa Sure, but that last video is a really bad piece of information. Not at all reliable.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 6:36:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:36:54 PM" ) )12:36 PM yesterday
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So am I. You can't count a youtube video that someone edited as a credible source. You really think they let them film that in the hospital?
by Sin at 3/28/2011 6:36:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:36:26 PM" ) )12:36 PM yesterday
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Youtube has been a good source for SOME information. Just saying. Just like some people hate wikipedia, it doesn't make everythign on there false.
by Meretisa at 3/28/2011 6:36:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:36:11 PM" ) )12:36 PM yesterday
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@Sin Ok Just checking
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 6:35:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:35:49 PM" ) )12:35 PM yesterday
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I think we better watch out for stuff from youtube.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 6:35:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:35:30 PM" ) )12:35 PM yesterday
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by billmcd at 3/28/2011 6:35:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:35:23 PM" ) )12:35 PM yesterday
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No, but I don't think that is the workers, someone edited that, pieced it together.
by Sin at 3/28/2011 6:35:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:35:19 PM" ) )12:35 PM yesterday
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@Sin Please... we're trying to provide serious and responsible information here.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 6:35:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:35:15 PM" ) )12:35 PM yesterday
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@sin because?
by ifz at 3/28/2011 6:35:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:35:12 PM" ) )12:35 PM yesterday
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Problem was the workers whose boots were overtopped so their skin was in direct contact. Had they been wearing better gear, they would not have those burns.
by Alaskan at 3/28/2011 6:35:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:35:12 PM" ) )12:35 PM yesterday
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@George Gibb I hear you, we are all rooting for them. Just asking what each's expert opinion is (given that I am not one).
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:35:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:35:10 PM" ) )12:35 PM yesterday
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I think it's the backside of a lower leg.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 6:35:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:35:10 PM" ) )12:35 PM yesterday
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These are
twitter.com!/CalFireNews Tweets just now CalFireNews Cal Fire News
#Japan #FoxNews and #CNN minimizing/down playing health risk from #Plutonium, disgusting nuclear industry influence. #FukNuke -and a second one- CalFireNews Cal Fire News
EPA Propaganda: Plutonium can be a serious health hazard if inhaled or ingested, but external exposure poses little health risk .......-Has anybody seen what these newstations are saying?
by elainekirk at 3/28/2011 6:35:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:35:01 PM" ) )12:35 PM yesterday
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@Sin So you think thats a foot?
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 6:34:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:34:34 PM" ) )12:34 PM yesterday
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@Sin - not really sure what I am seeing there in that video...
by Joshua Diamond at 3/28/2011 6:34:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:34:15 PM" ) )12:34 PM yesterday
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Its OBVIOUSLY FAKE. (last video I posted)
by Sin at 3/28/2011 6:34:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:34:12 PM" ) )12:34 PM yesterday
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If these workers would have gone swimming in the water, they would be dead. If they drank it, they would be dead. Because they were ONLY standing in it, they got a dose of 2-6 Sv. It's factored in.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:34:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:34:07 PM" ) )12:34 PM yesterday
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@Jojo I don't think anybody can answer that. I choose to think that TEPcos engineers are systematically working towards stabilization.
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 6:33:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:33:52 PM" ) )12:33 PM yesterday
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by Alaskan at 3/28/2011 6:33:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:33:09 PM" ) )12:33 PM yesterday
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@Karen Warren It is not a foot at 10second in.. Serious does it look like a foot?
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 6:32:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:32:55 PM" ) )12:32 PM yesterday
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@kgriff Which is WHY just standing on soil is so much LESS damaging than ingesting it. They ALREADY KNOW THIS when calculating Sieverts, which is why 2-6 Sv is always 2-6 Sv.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:32:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:32:22 PM" ) )12:32 PM yesterday
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sensitivity to radioactivity of different body tissues -->
www.ndt-ed.orgby kgriff at 3/28/2011 6:31:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:31:27 PM" ) )12:31 PM yesterday
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@George Gibb Sure, we can deal with the facts at hand. I just was asking what everyone thought the future might hold, given the recent past and present.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:31:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:31:20 PM" ) )12:31 PM yesterday
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by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 6:31:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:31:11 PM" ) )12:31 PM yesterday
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search.japantimes.co.jp More rad doses to calculate and discuss. Need to exhume Geraldo Rivera and send him in to interview these people!
by gabe at 3/28/2011 6:31:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:31:03 PM" ) )12:31 PM yesterday
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NHK: Huh?
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 6:30:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:30:19 PM" ) )12:30 PM yesterday
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@Joshua -- ty. But I don't think reactors 5&6 are the problem!
by Alaskan at 3/28/2011 6:30:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:30:17 PM" ) )12:30 PM yesterday
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The EPA actually states in nuclear emergencies there is NO LIMIT to exposure, as long as workers know the risks. That's probably the case here; I highly doubt workers are sent home after 250 mSv.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:30:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:30:14 PM" ) )12:30 PM yesterday
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If there is a situation that the reactor cores do breach and become a "melt through" situation, I believe that because of the fact that the site is on a cliff area, that there is a chance that the cores could explode toward the water side of the site, rather than go straight down in the soil. That area has had a lot of sea water in the ground, which will provide explosions against a melting core. Those explosions will move the weaker soil, (the soil towards the cliff) and not the harder soil towards the land. Essentially, could have a core explosion and then eventually fall out into the ocean.
by wtm at 3/28/2011 6:29:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:29:58 PM" ) )12:29 PM yesterday
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@Jojo I seriously question some of the "experts" in these interviews so I think its best to look at the news as its reported. Like I was saying last night TEPco is still in the stabilization phase and this will go on for awhile. The situation is bad but since they are continuing trying to stabilize the site they are working towards the best scenario of stabilization and finally dismantle.
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 6:29:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:29:51 PM" ) )12:29 PM yesterday
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@Karen Warren Not a foot.. And
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 6:29:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:29:39 PM" ) )12:29 PM yesterday
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Why is it taking TEPCO so long to report Pu levels? Why aren't journalists asking these questions? According to the IAEA, it takes 24 hours to get results.
www.google.comby Bev at 3/28/2011 6:29:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:29:33 PM" ) )12:29 PM yesterday
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Thank you for explaining. Information is the key :)
by Hermine at 3/28/2011 6:29:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:29:30 PM" ) )12:29 PM yesterday
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@Jay77 7-28 days.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:29:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:29:26 PM" ) )12:29 PM yesterday
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@Yuri Possibly. But according to the operator there have been only 19 workers from the team of nearly 400 that has been exposed to more then 100mSv. So I think they're still OK for now on that department.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 6:29:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:29:19 PM" ) )12:29 PM yesterday
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@Alaskan No core catcher on units 1-5. Unit 6 is a Mark-II containment which might be more robust -- but no guarantees there either.
by Joshua Diamond at 3/28/2011 6:29:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:29:14 PM" ) )12:29 PM yesterday
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NHK or Kyodo stated earlier today that the Tepco workers on-site now have around 100 mSv, with 250 being the new annual limit. That said some of the workers from the past 2.5 weeks have met their max and are off the job.
by Alaskan at 3/28/2011 6:28:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:28:51 PM" ) )12:28 PM yesterday
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The burns will be from beta radiation, but they will get gamma radiation as well. And again, it's 100000x better to just "stand" in the water then if they drank it.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:28:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:28:41 PM" ) )12:28 PM yesterday
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@Yuri, that is why they use subcontractors and temps.
by Peter Melzer at 3/28/2011 6:28:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:28:10 PM" ) )12:28 PM yesterday
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@GoJ @all The men and women that build and work in idustrial plants put thier lives on the line every day... (even if you are the person on the line... the imfamous welders tourch can get you while you are standing there) these enviroents contain many potential explosive/chemcal dangers that even with the best of planning go wrong!!! until the day comes you are having to stop production because your employee went to the bathroom an hour ago and is still not back (might have fallen into the molten steel vat.... ) and the home office is getting next of kin... phone numbers... you really can not know how deep and chilling the "beam decap" joke can be....Found the emp..had a diabetic episode fell and was close to death-- emts saved his life... we must recpect all these workers.... and from what i have been reading about the ones in japan "the are just considered disposible" the steel plant here has 2-3 fatallities a year from the beams they make jumping off the line and killing the worker... does not even address the dangers of cutting into a steam/gas line...
by fitter at 3/28/2011 6:28:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:28:02 PM" ) )12:28 PM yesterday
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@Hermine Yes, there has been a lot of talk about burns but apparently they never developed any. Beta radiation burns are different from heat burns. They're more like sunburns (UV)... the effects take a few days to show. That's one of the reasons they spent all this time under observation although none of them felt sick or had any visible injury.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 6:27:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:27:42 PM" ) )12:27 PM yesterday
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@NHK Listener: No wounds? Take a look - about 10 seconds in to the video.
www.youtube.comby Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 6:27:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:27:40 PM" ) )12:27 PM yesterday
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At Chernobyl, many of the firefighters seemed fine after initial treatment, talking & joking, then were dead within a month. I believe they called it the "latent" period. I hope that's not the case here.
by Jay77 at 3/28/2011 6:27:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:27:27 PM" ) )12:27 PM yesterday
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@Yuri Yes. At 1000 mSv/ hour, workers can only be in contact with that basement water for 15 minutes FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR before being PERMANENTLY sent home. My guess is that those safety limits are not being followed.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:27:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:27:21 PM" ) )12:27 PM yesterday
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by kgriff at 3/28/2011 6:27:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:27:14 PM" ) )12:27 PM yesterday
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@wtm 750 I believe.
by radioguy at 3/28/2011 6:26:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:26:49 PM" ) )12:26 PM yesterday
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Here's what I dont understand. Radiation levels are becoming so high, arent many TEPCO workers getting their yearly maximum of radiation already? I know workers are being switched out, but I assume that many workers must be pulled out permanently. Could there be a problem of a lack of qualified nuclear workers as people pass their limits?
by Yuri at 3/28/2011 6:26:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:26:29 PM" ) )12:26 PM yesterday
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That's the whole "point" of a Sievert, it's a standard dose because they ALREADY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT the point of contact. Note that in tables they don't say 2-6 Sv (if you breathe it, or 1 if you drink the water, etc.). It's just 1 Sv = 1Sv, REGARDLESS OF EXPOSURE TYPE.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:26:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:26:28 PM" ) )12:26 PM yesterday
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@Sin That's right. Sieverts are a biological measure and it varies on which part of the body is exposed. That's why Bq's or Curies are a better way to express absolute radiation.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 6:25:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:25:44 PM" ) )12:25 PM yesterday
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@Sin Exactly. They were just standing in the water, so their exposure was ONLY 2-6 Sv. If they went SWIMMING in it, exposure would have say 200 Sv (for example). They already took into account that they were standing in it to calculate their exposure.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:25:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:25:07 PM" ) )12:25 PM yesterday
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@ Pedro Jesus: oh ok, thank you. my latest information was 'burns' - so I wondered.
by Hermine at 3/28/2011 6:24:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:24:56 PM" ) )12:24 PM yesterday
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The video showing the burn was from a compilation from someone who made a youtube video. I think it was fake.
by Sin at 3/28/2011 6:24:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:24:51 PM" ) )12:24 PM yesterday
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@Pedro Jesus I will look for it. I just mentioned because I thought I saw one. Will look.
by Meretisa at 3/28/2011 6:24:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:24:35 PM" ) )12:24 PM yesterday
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@Hermine The feet were radiated. That was the extent of the burns from what I understand.. So red feet is all. As I understand they walked out of the hospital.(unconfirmed yet) People are waterproof so exposure was minimal
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 6:24:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:24:27 PM" ) )12:24 PM yesterday
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We can bicker all we want about full body/partial exposure, but the fact is...given the high level of exposure to the feet...they are at incredible risk of getting metastatic melanoma with much more serious ramifications later on. It's bad no matter how you slice it. At least they might be able to live some semblance of a life!
by LM at 3/28/2011 6:24:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:24:27 PM" ) )12:24 PM yesterday
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So no "core catcher" other than bedrock at Fukushima, right?
by Alaskan at 3/28/2011 6:24:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:24:19 PM" ) )12:24 PM yesterday
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by
kgriff via
Pre.cloudfront.goodinc at 3/28/2011 6:24:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:24:12 PM" ) )12:24 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa Show me.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 6:24:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:24:11 PM" ) )12:24 PM yesterday
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@radioguy This is what worries me, and is what the Chinese were doubtless concerned about when testing those Japanese visitors the other day.
by es at 3/28/2011 6:23:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:23:55 PM" ) )12:23 PM yesterday
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So if this guy (and you on here that agree with him)
www.cnn.com think this will come to pass (multiple core meltdowns, container breaches), what will that entail? Will it spew radioactive gas as they did before, or will it be mostly liquid local to the plant?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:23:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:23:55 PM" ) )12:23 PM yesterday
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@Hank Scorpio - also, Unit 2 containment breach probably happened pretty early on if you recall -- probably a hydrogen explosion in the torus.
by Joshua Diamond at 3/28/2011 6:23:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:23:48 PM" ) )12:23 PM yesterday
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@Pedro Jesus @All... wasn't there a photo of a burn?? I thought there was.
by Meretisa at 3/28/2011 6:23:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:23:40 PM" ) )12:23 PM yesterday
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I think the point that Jojo is trying to make is that radiation, and it was beta radiation they were exposed to, is energy, much like light. It emits for a certain radius. They water is just a vehicle holding in suspension particles of radiaoactive material. The radiation emitted enters the body uniformly in all directions depending upon the concentration of the radioactive material, that increases the amount of the energy emitted. Its not like it only effects the part of the body that was exposed, just how much it effects it. Correct me if I am wrong.
by Sin at 3/28/2011 6:23:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:23:16 PM" ) )12:23 PM yesterday
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@Hermine According to latest Kyodo update they didn't sustain any burns. They were treated for potential beta emission burns but didn't sustain any. All 3 workers have been discharged from the hospital on the 27th.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 6:23:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:23:01 PM" ) )12:23 PM yesterday
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@Hank Scorpio - correct - not directly designed for the purpose -- but it was discussed earlier [either here or on the Reuters blog] that in practice the basemat may be thick enough, especially if the floor of the containment can be flooded, and that even if the basemat concrete fully erodes, the Fukushima containments are build directly on bedrock. I note however, that I have not seen a reference for that.
by Joshua Diamond at 3/28/2011 6:22:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:22:35 PM" ) )12:22 PM yesterday
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@Alaskan No, idk. I was just saying that they think it's extremely important right now.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 6:22:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:22:06 PM" ) )12:22 PM yesterday
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@Joshua Diamond :)
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:21:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:21:38 PM" ) )12:21 PM yesterday
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Regarding the potential for a large steam explosion if molten corium contacts standing water after melting out of the RPV (scroll down) DISCLAIMER: I am not a scientist, nor do I have any idea if this is an actual danger at Fukushima ||
en.wikipedia.orgby Jay77 at 3/28/2011 6:21:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:21:32 PM" ) )12:21 PM yesterday
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@kgriff - I don't know that, but the worry is water in that area. Hot corium hits the water and there's a big bada boom.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 6:21:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:21:22 PM" ) )12:21 PM yesterday
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@Joshua: Boron = boring moron?
by Alaskan at 3/28/2011 6:21:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:21:12 PM" ) )12:21 PM yesterday
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@Matsuoko Are you in Japan?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:21:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:21:08 PM" ) )12:21 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa, As I see it, we congregate here because we are seeking for answers whatever the motivation. Explanations provide peace of mind. I hope that the information shared here will help us and others to make better informed decisions. AND the people who are suffering because of this whole catastrophe, quake, water and radiation, are on my mind.
by Peter Melzer at 3/28/2011 6:21:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:21:01 PM" ) )12:21 PM yesterday
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Question regarding the exposure of the feet: They wore only shoes, at a wet environment- which was contaminated. They got burns. If they had still wet socks and already burns, is it possible that contamination got into the blood flow? And if so what does THAT mean regarding exposure and risks?
by Hermine at 3/28/2011 6:20:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:20:53 PM" ) )12:20 PM yesterday
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There's a point hidden in Jojo's point. Now that we know there's plutonium in the soil, the act of walking around will track it from place to place, maybe into a puddle.
by radioguy at 3/28/2011 6:20:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:20:52 PM" ) )12:20 PM yesterday
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It is also interesting to notice that JAIF will only show good news in their listings, they will not show that the reactor is increasing pressure, only shows that it had decreased earlier.
by wtm at 3/28/2011 6:20:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:20:49 PM" ) )12:20 PM yesterday
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@Hank Scorpio how thick is the concrete under the reactors?
by kgriff at 3/28/2011 6:20:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:20:37 PM" ) )12:20 PM yesterday
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@Joshua Diamond - A Boron is someone whose retardation is so bad it's not even entertaining.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 6:20:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:20:32 PM" ) )12:20 PM yesterday
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@Jim, do you mean they have been able to add the boron?
by Alaskan at 3/28/2011 6:20:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:20:20 PM" ) )12:20 PM yesterday
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@George Gibb Yeah, shut up and go read. ha kidding, don't get mad :)
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 6:19:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:19:34 PM" ) )12:19 PM yesterday
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There has got to be humor: We were having a discussion of these topics at our dinner table last night, and my very bright 14 year old son was making some very good points, and asking some very good questions.
Then he pointed out to me that until last week he would have thought that "boron" was the quantum unit of "boring", used to measure certain activities. "That lecture exposed us to a high flux of borons per hour"... :)
by Joshua Diamond at 3/28/2011 6:19:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:19:34 PM" ) )12:19 PM yesterday
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I have continued to notice that the reactor pressure on#1 is building, now up to .400 area. Does anyone know what the design limit is on this vessel ???
by wtm at 3/28/2011 6:19:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:19:10 PM" ) )12:19 PM yesterday
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Say the level of contamination is 100000000 Bq/ kg. Well, if you ingest the water, you might get 200 Sv. If you stand in it, it might be 1 Sv. If you lie down in it, it might be 15 Sv. If you eat spinach with the same level, it might be 250 Sv. They take into account HOW it comes in contact with you to get a Sv.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:19:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:19:01 PM" ) )12:19 PM yesterday
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@NHK It doesn't have to be a conspiracy. They washed and cleaned the rest for surface contamination. Boots hold water. There could be higher exposure in boots. I'm just saying that the other exposure is probably minimal enough by comparison it faded into background.
by radioguy at 3/28/2011 6:18:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:18:37 PM" ) )12:18 PM yesterday
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@Joshua Diamond - According to a poster at ArsTechnica, the Mark I containment is not designed for a corium breach.
arstechnica.comby Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 6:18:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:18:30 PM" ) )12:18 PM yesterday
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@All Round up of todays news articles pinned
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 6:18:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:18:20 PM" ) )12:18 PM yesterday
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@Alaskan Nuetron absorbtion seems to be paramount at the moment.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 6:17:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:17:53 PM" ) )12:17 PM yesterday
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@NiDan And that level of exposure of 2 Sv to the feet will be the EXACT SAME % of fatality as if you ingest 2 Sv! Exactly the same.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:17:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:17:33 PM" ) )12:17 PM yesterday
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@NiDan I'm talking about the contaminated water where the workers got 2-6 Sv.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:16:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:16:39 PM" ) )12:16 PM yesterday
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@NiDan Yes.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:16:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:16:04 PM" ) )12:16 PM yesterday
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Does anyone know how much boron (if any) the responders have been able to add to reactors 1-3 over the past few days? Apparently the French are supplying advice and boron, but I don't know if it's there yet or if there's any way to get it into the reactor vessels right now.
by Alaskan at 3/28/2011 6:15:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:15:58 PM" ) )12:15 PM yesterday
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@NiDan I think so. :) My point is that they WERE exposed to 2-6Sv, it doesn't really matter if it's their feet. They should thank God it was only their feet and they didn't ingest any. They would probably be dead now.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:15:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:15:58 PM" ) )12:15 PM yesterday
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WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE WATER IN THE TURBINE BUILDING
by NiDan at 3/28/2011 6:15:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:15:44 PM" ) )12:15 PM yesterday
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@Sin @Hank Scorpio - yes - partial core melt has pretty clearly already happened. Worse in some of the units than others. The question now is whether RPV breach can be averted, and if not, will the primary containment hold (I postulate that Unit 2 primary containment is already ruptured).
Bears repeating:
"Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence" - Napoleon Bonaparte
by Joshua Diamond at 3/28/2011 6:15:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:15:43 PM" ) )12:15 PM yesterday
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I find it interesting that TEPCO released their information about the plutonium being found in the soil around the reactor right after it became known Greenpeace was conducting radiation testing in the vacated areas. Coincidence, or is TEPCO trying to report the plutonium before Greenpeace found it?
by James Ward at 3/28/2011 6:15:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:15:35 PM" ) )12:15 PM yesterday
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JOJO NO ONE BESIDES YOU IS TALKING ABOUT THE SOIL
by NiDan at 3/28/2011 6:15:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:15:33 PM" ) )12:15 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa I started really noticing it yesterday.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 6:15:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:15:30 PM" ) )12:15 PM yesterday
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@radioguy Then it must be a conspiracy then.. I gotta go
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 6:15:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:15:11 PM" ) )12:15 PM yesterday
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@NHK Listener I got that. ANY SOIL exposure is going to be to "the feet". They already take that into consideration when considering the Sv level. My point is that the Sv they were exposed to takes into account ONLY that they were exposed on their feet. If they DRANK the water or even ROLLED AROUND in it, Sv level would be 10x, 100x, ???
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:15:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:15:06 PM" ) )12:15 PM yesterday
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@Jojo Myself as well. And on nhk and other sites as well. It is disturbing to witness.
by Meretisa at 3/28/2011 6:14:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:14:45 PM" ) )12:14 PM yesterday
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@NHK Listener That's hard to imagine if they were doing any kind of work.
by radioguy at 3/28/2011 6:14:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:14:25 PM" ) )12:14 PM yesterday
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Okay - look - I think we both understand what the other is saying...
by NiDan at 3/28/2011 6:14:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:14:23 PM" ) )12:14 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa I don't know if this will freak you out or calm you (my hope is the latter), but I can visibly detect fear when I hear nuclear experts talking about the future.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:14:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:14:06 PM" ) )12:14 PM yesterday
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@Jojo Exposure was to the feet only
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 6:14:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:14:00 PM" ) )12:14 PM yesterday
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@NHK Listener I get what you guys are saying, but what you don't get is that if they would have fallen in the water or touched it with their hands their Sieverts would have been MUCH HIGHER. We're talking 10E9 Bq/kg of exposure of certain isotopes.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:13:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:13:17 PM" ) )12:13 PM yesterday
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Thanks.
by Markfm at 3/28/2011 6:13:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:13:13 PM" ) )12:13 PM yesterday
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Jojo - you are wrong. You can exactly do that, and say 2-6 Sv to feet only.
by NiDan at 3/28/2011 6:13:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:13:09 PM" ) )12:13 PM yesterday
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by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 6:12:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:12:54 PM" ) )12:12 PM yesterday
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@Jojo I came here because I was hoping I was wrong and am seekign to "just be nuts" but it isn't turning out that way. @Hank- thank you. I know. I was quite worried about myself as well, but am able to eat and drink and have been to doctor about it who says that despite it all I'm "normal" range for all bloodwork etc.
by Meretisa at 3/28/2011 6:12:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:12:53 PM" ) )12:12 PM yesterday
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@Jojo again no
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 6:12:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:12:33 PM" ) )12:12 PM yesterday
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@Jojo Good point re the Sv exposure already having been calculated
by es at 3/28/2011 6:12:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:12:33 PM" ) )12:12 PM yesterday
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@Jojo That's why it's better to use Bq's
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 6:12:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:12:30 PM" ) )12:12 PM yesterday
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jojo - my comment was about the workers exposed to water in the turbine room - NOT about the soil contamination
by NiDan at 3/28/2011 6:12:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:12:22 PM" ) )12:12 PM yesterday
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@All I think we lose perspective that there is no quick fix - but every day they can keep working its a bonus
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 6:12:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:12:18 PM" ) )12:12 PM yesterday
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@NiDan But you don't have 2-6Sv to their feet, .1 Sv to their eyes, .2 Sv to their liver, etc. It's just 2-6 Sv.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:12:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:12:10 PM" ) )12:12 PM yesterday
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@Jojo no
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 6:12:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:12:08 PM" ) )12:12 PM yesterday
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@NiDan See I told you they don't understand
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 6:11:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:11:52 PM" ) )12:11 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa - To answer your earlier question, I have no problem with you, but your description of not eating and sleep issues makes me wonder if you don't have an emotional disturbance of some kind. I don't think you're crazy, but your reaction is highly abnormal. I say that in the nicest way. :)
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 6:11:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:11:41 PM" ) )12:11 PM yesterday
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@NiDan Yes, of course. But when they are talking about surface contamination/soil contamination, they assume the contamination is going to concentrate from your feet up.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:11:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:11:40 PM" ) )12:11 PM yesterday
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@George -- Any stats on number of participants/viewers on this page? Just curious.
by Markfm at 3/28/2011 6:11:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:11:28 PM" ) )12:11 PM yesterday
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It they had drunk the water, the exposure wouldn't have been just to their feet! That's the whole point!
by NiDan at 3/28/2011 6:11:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:11:18 PM" ) )12:11 PM yesterday
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by kgriff at 3/28/2011 6:11:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:11:05 PM" ) )12:11 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa The experts I have seen (near unanimously) are siding with your spirituality.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:10:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:10:58 PM" ) )12:10 PM yesterday
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@sheilatoulouse That's why most of us are here. It's a community well mixed geographically and technically. We've all been trying as hard as we can to cut through the murky information.
by radioguy at 3/28/2011 6:10:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:10:54 PM" ) )12:10 PM yesterday
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TYPE, YES - LOCATION NO. The Sv normalizes SOURCES (i.e. types) of radiation - not all aspects of exposure. It is different to be exposed to a dose of radiation to your hand or to your chest.
by NiDan at 3/28/2011 6:10:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:10:53 PM" ) )12:10 PM yesterday
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Again, they were standing in the water and they had contamination of 2-6 Sv. So... do you think it would have been only 2- 6 Sv if they DRANK THE WATER? So clearly they already took into account the method of exposure.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:10:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:10:22 PM" ) )12:10 PM yesterday
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@Tenzing You have to use a link from a valid url
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 6:10:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:10:12 PM" ) )12:10 PM yesterday
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@Matsuoko/Others- yeah... this is a problem for JAPAN. All the experts have said this. From what I personally have felt spiritually (OPINION) this will get much worse before it gets any better at all. I feel the lack of information is a sign of how dire the situation truly is.
by Meretisa at 3/28/2011 6:10:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:10:11 PM" ) )12:10 PM yesterday
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by kanna at 3/28/2011 6:09:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:09:33 PM" ) )12:09 PM yesterday
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@NiDan There are different coefficients for those as well. There are individual coefficients FOR EACH ISOTOPE for: air inhalation, ingestion by food, ingestion by water, soil, and fallout/surface contamination. They already take into account the exposure to the body from each, which is why ingestion is orders of magnitude more deadly. Which is why when they say 2-6 Sv, THEY ALREADY TOOK INTO ACCOUNT their exposure type.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:09:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:09:19 PM" ) )12:09 PM yesterday
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@sheilatoulouse I understand your stress. I've been spending a lot of time trying to figure out what is going on but I've found a lot more disinformation in some news channels, particularly CNN and NHK, that I've found discrepancies in TEPCO's reports. So I still trust the official reports more than the news head lines. I check the credibility of the reports comparing different statements from different sources. When they match then you know they're telling the truth - when they don't someone is making some mistake.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 6:09:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:09:17 PM" ) )12:09 PM yesterday
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@Jojo - If radiation at the site grows, I do think the site will be evacuated. If so, I think they'll find a way to permanently vent the RPVs and the outer containment before leaving to prevent an explosive breach of the RPVs. As to the melt? It's hard to say. We have no idea what the contents of the outer containments are.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 6:09:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:09:04 PM" ) )12:09 PM yesterday
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@Tenzing Photobucket it (or something) then link it.
by radioguy at 3/28/2011 6:08:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:08:33 PM" ) )12:08 PM yesterday
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@Matsuoko Wow.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:07:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:07:49 PM" ) )12:07 PM yesterday
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@George Gibb: How do I attach a still shot I Grabbed/Captured off a video of an injured Fukushima worker that shows a large burn to his left brachium?
by Tenzing at 3/28/2011 6:07:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:07:44 PM" ) )12:07 PM yesterday
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@Hank Scorpio There's no question that the media is using terminology very loosely. They don't understand this stuff. They admitted core melts of 50% over a week ago ago.
by radioguy at 3/28/2011 6:07:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:07:35 PM" ) )12:07 PM yesterday
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JoJo - the issue with soil contamination as I understand (again, no expert), is that it means people are likely to ingest contaminants in their food, water, air, etc. This is the real danger, because iodine gets stored in the thyroid, cesium can get stored in bone, etc... Then people are exposed over time, which is really bad.
by NiDan at 3/28/2011 6:07:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:07:32 PM" ) )12:07 PM yesterday
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@Hank Scorpio That's what he's talking about. He's talking about a breach, evacuation, followed by evaporation/leakage and then massive core meltdown/container breach. Is this guy nuts or sobering?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:07:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:07:25 PM" ) )12:07 PM yesterday
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The mentioning of Roibots.......They had Robots for over a week from Germany and we have NOT heard a word about that either
by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 6:06:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:06:55 PM" ) )12:06 PM yesterday
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@Jojo - Breach of the vessels by corium?
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 6:06:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:06:35 PM" ) )12:06 PM yesterday
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@Hank Scorpio That's what he's talking about.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:06:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:06:22 PM" ) )12:06 PM yesterday
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@sheilatoulouse, that reminds me, I was drafted during the cold war. We were drilling for the nuclear flash every day lying on the ground with filter masks and little plastic tarps over the head, counting the time between flash and bang, and spoonfuls of decontamination paste afterwards. The ritual was totally ridiculous. But it sharpened the senses.
by Peter Melzer at 3/28/2011 6:06:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:06:15 PM" ) )12:06 PM yesterday
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@NiDan That is a good explanation.. I have tried to point it out but it is hard to explain to people.
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 6:06:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:06:14 PM" ) )12:06 PM yesterday
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@Jojo : i don't think anyone can clearly predict anything. you can only give probabilities for scenarios. personally, i think that the worst case scenario is very likely.
by Matsuoko at 3/28/2011 6:06:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:06:11 PM" ) )12:06 PM yesterday
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@Pedro Jesus: true; science defies common sense sometimes. I just didn't 'buy' the information I was being fed. Especially about statements like that the measurements in the sea water weren't necessarily from the plant. Argh. I'll keep reading the 'news', see how creatively they word their statements, then come here to try to understand.
by sheilatoulouse at 3/28/2011 6:05:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:05:48 PM" ) )12:05 PM yesterday
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Yes, everyone, please look at this guy here on CNN yesterday:
www.cnn.com In his opinion, he says there ABSOLUTELY WILL be 3 meltdowns. What do you think?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:05:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:05:42 PM" ) )12:05 PM yesterday
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I concur with Hank. I think they knew two weeks ago.
by Sin at 3/28/2011 6:05:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:05:36 PM" ) )12:05 PM yesterday
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by kgriff at 3/28/2011 6:05:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:05:22 PM" ) )12:05 PM yesterday
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Regarding TEPCO's Pu measurements...
Excerpt from:
Toxicological Profile For Plutionium, U.S. Department Of Health And Human Services, November 2010, page 176
www.atsdr.cdc.gov
Average plutonium concentrations in surface soil from fallout range from about 0.01 to 0.1 pCi/g (4x10-4 – 4x10-3 Bq/g) (DOE 2005a). Essentially all of the plutonium found in the surface of the Earth’s crust is a product of human activity occurring over the past 60 years (Ketterer and Szechenyi 2008).
The above cited range (4x10-4 to 4x10-3 Bq/g) are Bq/gram. Converted to Bq/kg the level is 4x10-1 to 4x10. I am not a scientist, but the math seems to suggest that TEPCO numbers reflect "natural" fallout values.
by DennisV at 3/28/2011 6:05:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:05:22 PM" ) )12:05 PM yesterday
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@Jojo - I have no idea what he's referring to when he says meltdown. If he means core melt, that's already happened. If he means core melt with RPV breach, it's possible but we have no indication that will happen. That's most likely to happen if the site is evacuated.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 6:04:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:04:55 PM" ) )12:04 PM yesterday
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@Jojo Is there a possibility that this has in some sense already happened? What would the chemical signatures be?
by es at 3/28/2011 6:04:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:04:47 PM" ) )12:04 PM yesterday
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@elise The Oklo site chugged along for millions of years.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 6:04:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:04:43 PM" ) )12:04 PM yesterday
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@NiDan Again, how do you have whole body exposure from SOIL? Are you saying radioactive soil is not harmful at all because it's not whole body?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:04:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:04:42 PM" ) )12:04 PM yesterday
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1 Sv = 1 Sv. The whole way they calculate 1Sv is to get the Bq / kg or Bq / L , look at the isotope, and then calculate the Sieverts BASED ON THE TYPE OF CONTACT. The coefficient for soil vs ingestion is MUUUUUUCH LOWER. If they have 1 Sv, it's 1 Sv. The type of contact is ALREADY FACTORED IN TO THIS.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:04:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:04:10 PM" ) )12:04 PM yesterday
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I'm not saying it won't have severe heath effects, just that the LD50 figure of about 4.5 Sv refers to WHOLE BODY exposure.
by NiDan at 3/28/2011 6:02:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:02:42 PM" ) )12:02 PM yesterday
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@Matsuoko But they aren't, that's the problem. Also, this gyu was on CNN yesterday:
www.cnn.com Is he overreacting? In his opinion there absolutely WILL be 3 core meltdowns. What do you assess the chances of that are?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:02:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:02:34 PM" ) )12:02 PM yesterday
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I was referring to the two workers who were exposed to the water in the turbine room the other day. (There was a third worker who was wearing protective boots.) Their exposure was reported as 2-6 Sv (now apparently adjusted to 3 Sv) TO THEIR FEET. This is very different from a whole body exposure...
by NiDan at 3/28/2011 6:02:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:02:02 PM" ) )12:02 PM yesterday
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2-6Sv to the toes, 2-6Sv to the leg, 2-6Sv to the chest, 2-6Sv to the head, 2-6Sv to the hand, totally different things, all bad but theres no way to predict exactly how much effect it will have to the individual. even if you got two people pretty much same attributes with pretty much the same exposure to the same radiation you may get very different effects. the predictions here are all statistics telling you "average effects".
by sgt fuzzyboots at 3/28/2011 6:01:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:01:57 PM" ) )12:01 PM yesterday
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@Jojo....I know, its just maddening how they keep changing their story about everything.
by Sin at 3/28/2011 6:01:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:01:52 PM" ) )12:01 PM yesterday
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As a quake scale reference, the Tohuko quake was 8,000 times stronger than the one that took out Christchurch.
by radioguy at 3/28/2011 6:01:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:01:44 PM" ) )12:01 PM yesterday
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@sheilatoulouse However, common sense and science don't get along well together.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 6:01:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:01:28 PM" ) )12:01 PM yesterday
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@Sin 3 Sv is still pretty bad!
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:00:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:00:40 PM" ) )12:00 PM yesterday
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IAEA says 2-6 Sv on their site.
by Sin at 3/28/2011 6:00:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:00:30 PM" ) )12:00 PM yesterday
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@Jojo they should take samples EVERY DAY, that's tepco's damned job !
by Matsuoko at 3/28/2011 6:00:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:00:18 PM" ) )12:00 PM yesterday
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@ Sin- Of course they did.
by Maureen Burke at 3/28/2011 6:00:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:00:13 PM" ) )12:00 PM yesterday
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@NiDan How do you have whole body exposure to soil? You think they assume people are going to roll around in it? 1 Sv = 1Sv, it's already factored in that you're just going to step in it.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 6:00:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:00:03 PM" ) )12:00 PM yesterday
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So, 40 minutes or 2 hours... does it metter which if they got 3 sievert?
by radioguy at 3/28/2011 6:00:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 6:00:01 PM" ) )12:00 PM yesterday
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@vasra Base 10 log scale. It means the difference from one unity to the next is 10 times more powerful. Example, a 4.8 quake like the one we experienced in the south of Portugal about a week ago is 10 times more powerful than a 3.8 quake and 10 times less powerful than a 5.8 (pardon my intrusion, for the sake of clarification).
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 5:59:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:59:46 PM" ) )11:59 AM yesterday
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hallo everyone, is dean around? i would like to hear his expertize on latest development
by kresimir at 3/28/2011 5:59:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:59:23 PM" ) )11:59 AM yesterday
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@Jay77 I just saw here it was 2-6Sv. I haven't verified that.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 5:59:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:59:19 PM" ) )11:59 AM yesterday
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@jojo They have now changed their amount of exposure to be "up to 3000 millisieverts, less than first thought." as per the article. for two hours.
by Sin at 3/28/2011 5:59:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:59:11 PM" ) )11:59 AM yesterday
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dog ran into my arm..sorry. thanks radioguy ~ that was the issue * a natural chain reaction which starts and stops the "chugging" and that the reaction can be 'weak'
by elise at 3/28/2011 5:59:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:59:10 PM" ) )11:59 AM yesterday
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PEOPLE - the workers experienced 2-6 Sv exposure TO THEIR FEET only... The lethal doses you are discussing are WHOLE BODY exposures. It's disturbing to hear such misinfo about their health risks... PS. I am not an apologist or expert, just been reading the reports thoroughly.
by NiDan at 3/28/2011 5:59:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:59:03 PM" ) )11:59 AM yesterday
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@Matsuoko Another reason that the GoJ needs to nationalize this. Are we to wait another week to get another sample from 2 days ago?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 5:58:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:58:49 PM" ) )11:58 AM yesterday
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@sin: I saw that too
by sheilatoulouse at 3/28/2011 5:58:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:58:39 PM" ) )11:58 AM yesterday
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@Jojo what was their dose? Any reports of that?
by Jay77 at 3/28/2011 5:58:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:58:02 PM" ) )11:58 AM yesterday
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I learned everything I know about radiation from my crazy HS chemistry teacher in the height of the cold war. He had a bomb shelter and prob'll traumatized a whole generation of us with stories about what the bombs would do when the commies came. So, obviously i was a liberal arts major ;-) I appreciate being able to come here to read 'unvarnished' information and analysis. I'm no science genius, but i'm also not stupid enough to believe most of what TEPCO says when it is so contrary to common sense. THanks
by sheilatoulouse at 3/28/2011 5:57:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:57:58 PM" ) )11:57 AM yesterday
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@Jojo : not at all. these numbers do not explain anything. it needs better sources.
by Matsuoko at 3/28/2011 5:57:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:57:40 PM" ) )11:57 AM yesterday
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I remember seeing the fire chief explaining on NHK how he was using his own personal dosimeter to calculate the other firefighters length of exposure, and telling the others to hide behind the truck for protection.
by Sin at 3/28/2011 5:57:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:57:21 PM" ) )11:57 AM yesterday
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en.wikipedia.org for 2-6Sv, fatality rate is 5-50%, with a 7-28 day onset. This is what TEPCO said: "They were discharged Monday, with officials of the center saying the exposure has not affected their health."
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 5:57:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:57:08 PM" ) )11:57 AM yesterday
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@elise Remember to put a space after your ellipses before the link, but that's a relevant article perhaps. Chugging as water, added to cool, becomes a moderator.
by radioguy at 3/28/2011 5:56:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:56:59 PM" ) )11:56 AM yesterday
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@Nancy From what I understood they walked out of the hospital.
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 5:56:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:56:51 PM" ) )11:56 AM yesterday
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@bobby1: that is my concern as well, we are surrounded with the oldest plants in the US and they provide a lot of our electricity..they cannot just be unplugged. WE do get very bad 1
by elise at 3/28/2011 5:56:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:56:13 PM" ) )11:56 AM yesterday
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From NYT, referring to the #2 tunnel/ditch: "The contaminated water level is now about three feet from the exit of the vertical, U-shaped tunnel and rising, Mr. Nishiyama said. "
www.nytimes.comby Markfm at 3/28/2011 5:56:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:56:12 PM" ) )11:56 AM yesterday
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Quote -"The company said the high radiation level in water in the trench connected to the No. 2 complex " that sounds like there was a trench there for whatever reason
by elainekirk at 3/28/2011 5:56:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:56:02 PM" ) )11:56 AM yesterday
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@ Sin, I think the "don't need treatment" for the burns was possibly they don't need skin grafts or other in-hospital treatments right now. They may have sent them home with instructions how to treat the burns at home. If Japan is anything like US they shove the walking wounded out the door as soon as possible. I do worry about them being gravely ill in the future based on their doses.
by Nancy at 3/28/2011 5:56:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:56:00 PM" ) )11:56 AM yesterday
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@Bobby1 Japan 9.0 scale earthquake is 125 892 537 times as strong as the 3.6 quake you experienced. That's 126 Million times as powerful. Richter is logarithmic scale. And yes, there are a few nuke plants near the New Madrid fault line and right next to the coast in the US.
by vasra at 3/28/2011 5:55:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:55:42 PM" ) )11:55 AM yesterday
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geology.about.com The concentration of fissionable Uranium was higher then. Couldn't happen now.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 5:55:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:55:38 PM" ) )11:55 AM yesterday
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@Markfm I agree it's ludicrous. But then much of what they've said has been.
by es at 3/28/2011 5:55:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:55:27 PM" ) )11:55 AM yesterday
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Given the fact, that TEPCO and JAPAN's Agencies have downplayed @EVERY turn the severity of the Nuclear Situation AND the question of LIABILITY and media impact and "independent" hospital affiliation......would they really release medical implication of the three workers?
I mean, any negative finding would have MAJOR after effects in more ways than one.
by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 5:55:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:55:08 PM" ) )11:55 AM yesterday
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@sky there was an interview posted yesterday "they told us to listen closly only going to explain this once" -he was ref the instr on how to use his resperator.... later comented "i shave my beared after a few days" we have to train our guys for about four hours and they must be clean shaven to get a proper seal... it is criminial if the stories that the personnel are saying is true..
by fitter at 3/28/2011 5:54:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:54:54 PM" ) )11:54 AM yesterday
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@Meretisa 2 Sv makes a big difference from 6Sv. They might live, chances are not 100% fatality for this exposure. But it's certainly above 50%.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 5:54:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:54:46 PM" ) )11:54 AM yesterday
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by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 5:54:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:54:43 PM" ) )11:54 AM yesterday
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@Maureen Burke Doubtful. If they do, i doubt they will realize what their exposure means. Remember the mayors that didn't know the levels until told by media and then they wanted to evac their towns (40k away).
by Meretisa at 3/28/2011 5:54:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:54:10 PM" ) )11:54 AM yesterday
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@sheilatoulouse No, not necessarily. It could take years to develop, depending on the dosage.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 5:53:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:53:46 PM" ) )11:53 AM yesterday
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Yeah, they said 40 minutes. Yeah, basically they are screwed. Their immune systems would be affected. Nothing more that can be done. Maybe they will go talk to the press now.
by Sin at 3/28/2011 5:53:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:53:39 PM" ) )11:53 AM yesterday
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I wonder if they will be allowed to speak to the media.
by Maureen Burke at 3/28/2011 5:53:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:53:17 PM" ) )11:53 AM yesterday
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@Matsuoko So is it possible from those numbers/concentrations to extrapolate how much was released and how far? (not asking you to do it now, just seeing if it's possible :)
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 5:53:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:53:15 PM" ) )11:53 AM yesterday
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@Meretisa There was a lot of misinformation about that.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 5:52:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:52:47 PM" ) )11:52 AM yesterday
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I thought there was a lag-time between the illness of initial exposure, then a couple weeks 'ok' then...downhill fast?
by sheilatoulouse at 3/28/2011 5:52:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:52:38 PM" ) )11:52 AM yesterday
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@Karen Warren All righty then, I will go slightly off topic. I live in Maryland, and last July we experienced a 3.6 earthquake. Not big, but this is not an earthquake zone. This was the biggest quake recorded in this area. Prior to the quake, my creaky old house was rumbling and squeaking for a few hours. 90 minutes to the great Japan quake, I was in the bathroom and noticed a loud belch coming from the tub and it waved the shower curtain. 8-9 days ago, the rumbling and squeaking was so loud, I couldn't sleep. Now the nuclear plants on the east coast of the US are not adequately prepared for seismic events, I believe. I've been a tad jumpy about this.
by Bobby1 at 3/28/2011 5:52:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:52:26 PM" ) )11:52 AM yesterday
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@Karen Warren there aren't any wounds?
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 5:52:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:52:13 PM" ) )11:52 AM yesterday
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@radioguy: from what im reading on the physics blogs, one thing i read is that this may be happening ~ in this kind of way...http://geology.about.com/od/geophysics/a/aaoklo.htm
by elise at 3/28/2011 5:52:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:52:11 PM" ) )11:52 AM yesterday
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@Sin Didn't they say in an earlier article that they'd been exposed for like 3 hours (later changed to 40 minutes)? Didn't they also say that the levels were between 2-6Sv?? That is "walking dead". :(
by Meretisa at 3/28/2011 5:51:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:51:57 PM" ) )11:51 AM yesterday
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@Jojo they found it at 500, 500, 750, 1000 meters distance from #1.
by Matsuoko at 3/28/2011 5:51:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:51:56 PM" ) )11:51 AM yesterday
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@Sin That does not really surprise me.. Extremities can handle pretty high doses and no problems. If it were to the chest/thigh area it would be different.
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 5:51:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:51:55 PM" ) )11:51 AM yesterday
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@Sin: They were released because there was no sign of infection to the wounds. Nothing else can be done, for now, except monitor.
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 5:51:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:51:44 PM" ) )11:51 AM yesterday
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Effects of long-term radiation: fatal cancer, birth defects in pregnant women including genetic abnormalities, Down's Syndrome, reduced IQ.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 5:51:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:51:42 PM" ) )11:51 AM yesterday
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@Tenzing I will be here on and off as work permits for the rest of the day [NY time].
by Joshua Diamond at 3/28/2011 5:51:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:51:36 PM" ) )11:51 AM yesterday
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@es -- Tsunami? Then where did the radioactive compounds that could bring it to 1000mS/hr reading come from? (not questioning you, just that TEPCO stating that highly radioactive water sourced from anything other than water in the reactors or poured into the SFPs is ludicrous.)
by Markfm at 3/28/2011 5:51:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:51:04 PM" ) )11:51 AM yesterday
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The exposed workers released story -- it means they are standing and walking. It does not say anything about their longterm prospects of a highly elevated risk of developing a lethal cancer or other problem. I think such stories minimize the problems these workers may face.
by Sky at 3/28/2011 5:50:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:50:38 PM" ) )11:50 AM yesterday
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@Sin 1 or 2 will probably get fatal cancer from this, but not now.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 5:50:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:50:37 PM" ) )11:50 AM yesterday
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@Sin the workers will be ok until the effects take hold
by elainekirk at 3/28/2011 5:50:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:50:21 PM" ) )11:50 AM yesterday
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It's smoking gun to me.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 5:50:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:50:08 PM" ) )11:50 AM yesterday
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@NHK Listener -- I was thinking the same thing about the "trenches" -- that these were actually piping and wiring conduits. The other possibility is that they exist for groundwater monitoring purposes, or as a line of defense to prevent runoff from flowing directly into the sea. Does anyone with more knowledge of the plants have any color on this question?
by Joshua Diamond at 3/28/2011 5:50:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:50:02 PM" ) )11:50 AM yesterday
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@Matsuoko ANd how far away were these from the #3 spent fuel pool? 100m, 1000m? Doesn't that make a big difference in terms of how far out the Pu goes? I mean, if they are barely testing it at the plant, how are they testing it OUTSIDE the plant?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 5:49:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:49:55 PM" ) )11:49 AM yesterday
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@Matsuoko Yes, it's not good in any sense.
by es at 3/28/2011 5:49:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:49:32 PM" ) )11:49 AM yesterday
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@radioguy Yeah, true, but the levels of I-134 are pretty compelling, no matter how they like to play with the numbers.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 5:49:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:49:30 PM" ) )11:49 AM yesterday
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This just does not make sense to me : Exposed workers okay
Three men exposed to high levels of radiation at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant have left the hospital with a clean bill of health.
The 3 workers left the National Institute of Radiological Sciences in Chiba Prefecture on Monday.
They had been receiving special medical treatment after having been exposed to radiation while installing power cables at the Number 3 reactor complex on Thursday.
Two of the men stood in radioactive water for about 2 hours. They were due to receive treatment for burns, but doctors at the institute found that this was not necessary.
The institute says the level of their exposure was up to 3,000 millisieverts, less than initially thought.
The 2 men reportedly show no symptoms of burns, and their internal organs were exposed to very low levels of radiation.
The institute says the third man also has no symptoms.
The 3 men will undergo checks at the institute in several days' time.
Doctor Fumiaki Nakayama of the institute says that even if the men do develop symptoms, they do not need treatment, and the symptoms will eventually disappear.
Monday, March 28, 2011 20:17 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jpby Sin at 3/28/2011 5:49:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:49:16 PM" ) )11:49 AM yesterday
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@Markfm TEPCO officials suggested the water could have come from the tsunami.
by es at 3/28/2011 5:48:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:48:50 PM" ) )11:48 AM yesterday
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@es : no matter it does not make any sense. these are soil samples. this means that there is very much more plutonium outside. there maybe lethal hotspots. there should be no plutonium at all. it is very frightening. we all were very concerned about the mox fuel, and now it seems that these worries were right.
by Matsuoko at 3/28/2011 5:48:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:48:28 PM" ) )11:48 AM yesterday
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@Joshua Diamond I didn't get you wrong, now worries :) I have some work to take care of right now but I want to discuss your last comment. will you be around later today?
by Tenzing at 3/28/2011 5:48:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:48:14 PM" ) )11:48 AM yesterday
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@Jim Carver Continuing or resumed fission has been the elephant in the room everyone has been dancing around to avoid mentioning.
by radioguy at 3/28/2011 5:47:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:47:45 PM" ) )11:47 AM yesterday
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@Bobby: If you find something that touches you, put it out here... George and I already discussed it earlier. Last link has a lot of personal interviews, etc. I really have to go.... :-)
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 5:47:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:47:39 PM" ) )11:47 AM yesterday
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@hank you are not alone @VeenOui the IAEA seem impotent and this tweet from the American Ambassador in Japan shows just how much they are accepting tepco figures as - AmbassadorRoos John V. Roos
The IAEA has dispatched experts to Japan for radiation monitoring and food safety assessment. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that tweet was 3hrs ago!!!
by elainekirk at 3/28/2011 5:47:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:47:33 PM" ) )11:47 AM yesterday
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@Hank. I have the problem of not always being able to view a video. If I am in the same room as other people watching TV or somewhere public. Not to mention the speakers on my laptop leave much to be desired.
by Nancy at 3/28/2011 5:46:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:46:22 PM" ) )11:46 AM yesterday
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@Tenzing Right on! Power to the People!
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 5:46:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:46:14 PM" ) )11:46 AM yesterday
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Am I the only one that clicks a link, sees only a video and closes it? I can't stand news sites so lazy they can't put something into words.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/28/2011 5:45:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:45:09 PM" ) )11:45 AM yesterday
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@Tenzing Thats exactly the case
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 5:45:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:45:03 PM" ) )11:45 AM yesterday
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@Bobby1 Rueters presented many aspects of the Earthquake and Tsunami and Nuclear Crisis in Japan. I think the main difference here is that Rueters has a legal responsibility as a News Agency in what information is presented. We, our community here has the luxury of uncensored exploration!
by Tenzing at 3/28/2011 5:44:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:44:01 PM" ) )11:44 AM yesterday
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by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 5:43:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:43:48 PM" ) )11:43 AM yesterday
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@elaine -- I doubt those were new trenches -- the roads were impassable early on, I doubt TEPCO would have had large excavators just laying around on site. It is mind-boggling that TEPCO would have had to delay initial venting to give the PM a PR fly-by opportunity.
by Markfm at 3/28/2011 5:43:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:43:41 PM" ) )11:43 AM yesterday
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Whenever i hread anything from the IAEA, I feel as though they really should not be in charge of speaking as an authority.
english.kyodonews.jpby VeenOui at 3/28/2011 5:43:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:43:33 PM" ) )11:43 AM yesterday
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@ bobby1- I don't think that's necessary. When there is news to be discussed it is discussed. During slow times I have seen this blog turn into a madhouse(SNL scenarios etc...)
by Maureen Burke at 3/28/2011 5:42:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:42:51 PM" ) )11:42 AM yesterday
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This is what I've been trying to say:"There was also deep concern early Sunday about initial readings of radioactive iodine 134, which has a half-life of only 53 minutes and would not be present in large quantities unless fission had restarted."
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 5:42:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:42:45 PM" ) )11:42 AM yesterday
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@Karen Warren It seems that the focus here is on technical issues. Personally I don't mind.
by Bobby1 at 3/28/2011 5:42:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:42:32 PM" ) )11:42 AM yesterday
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@Tenzing - continuing [I hit the enter key too soon]
As for the term "falsifiable": The principal feature about a scientific theory is that it is falsifiable -- that is, that it is physically possible to devise an experiment which could prove the theory false. Religion, spirituality [and some would say sociology and psychology] on the other hand have theories which are unfalsifiable -- that is, there is no way to construct an experiment which would disprove the theory. For example - if one theorizes the existence of an omniscient omnipresent deity, there is no way to construct an experiment to disprove this theory, as the hypothesized deity has infinite influence upon the outcome, and it can always be argued thus that the deity intentionally hides itself from provable existance.
by Joshua Diamond at 3/28/2011 5:42:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:42:19 PM" ) )11:42 AM yesterday
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@Bobby: Why? Let it flow. Everyone comes from a different place with a different perspective. It's important that we respect each other despite the difference.
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 5:41:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:41:42 PM" ) )11:41 AM yesterday
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@Meretisa Somebody should create a spin-off blog to discuss political, spiritual, health aspects of this tragedy, which of course are immense.
by Bobby1 at 3/28/2011 5:40:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:40:24 PM" ) )11:40 AM yesterday
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Beats me, I'm EE not mechanical. I half expect that those were cracked pipes/bad seals, and that the water came from test-firing the pump systems. It could be runoff from all the fire truck spraying, not sure. Thew aftershocks certainly wouldn't have helped any pipes that were already stressed badly.
by Markfm at 3/28/2011 5:40:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:40:15 PM" ) )11:40 AM yesterday
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@Maureen Burke No, he left without a word
by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 5:39:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:39:52 PM" ) )11:39 AM yesterday
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@markfm in the first days as pressure was building the Prime Minister visited the site and apparently tepco say they delayed venting until after his visit - therefore is it possible that to relieve pressure in the interim they dug trenches to drain into to relieve pressure?
by elainekirk at 3/28/2011 5:39:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:39:41 PM" ) )11:39 AM yesterday
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@Karen- I will do same. @Sky- sorry. but I AM here because I fear those numbers are only a drop in the bucket in the big picture for Japan.
by Meretisa at 3/28/2011 5:39:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:39:39 PM" ) )11:39 AM yesterday
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I know Dean was on a little while ago to say hello. Does anyone know if he had his "expert briefing"and has he responded to the questions that were asked of him yesterday?
by Maureen Burke at 3/28/2011 5:39:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:39:19 PM" ) )11:39 AM yesterday
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I will bow out gracefully for now and let the linear thinkers do their thing.
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 5:38:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:38:36 PM" ) )11:38 AM yesterday
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@Markfm Do you think that the leaks could be a result of aftershocks? It could explain their sudden appearance.
by Meretisa at 3/28/2011 5:38:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:38:28 PM" ) )11:38 AM yesterday
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Suggest it is more a productive and more useful focus to put our attention on >200,000 homeless, >25,000 killed, massive property destruction, etc. rather than self-pity.
by Sky at 3/28/2011 5:38:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:38:26 PM" ) )11:38 AM yesterday
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@Pat At this point Tepco would rather have some more accidental release then a story about them dumping material into the ocean. You do bring up a good and valid point, but to expect such progressive and forward thinking from a 'me first' Tepco is very optimistic.
by Jeff at 3/28/2011 5:38:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:38:14 PM" ) )11:38 AM yesterday
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If Daini has the same build as Dai-ichi, there will likely be at least a heck of a lot of remedial action before it will go live again.
by Markfm at 3/28/2011 5:37:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:37:57 PM" ) )11:37 AM yesterday
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@Treiagonaut I was just curious as to what Plutonium can do or does. So i take it, no matter how much plutonium is present, as long as it is already oxidised, it is no longer flammable ?...I know, that Terpentine in an enclosed container is explosive but when dumped into water runoff, it just burns.... hard to grasp the non flammable concept.
by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 5:37:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:37:54 PM" ) )11:37 AM yesterday
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@karen- yeah. i know. I was posting about it everyday too, but my group started commenting that I was obsessed. I hadn't shared my "experience" with anyone until here. I feel the need to keep this in the public eye as well- despite people saying I'm nuts. :P
by Meretisa at 3/28/2011 5:37:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:37:53 PM" ) )11:37 AM yesterday
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@Jojo @Matsuoko Yes, I think that's right Bq/kg
by es at 3/28/2011 5:37:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:37:31 PM" ) )11:37 AM yesterday
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@elainekirk -- Regardless of the source (IAEA, Tepco, JAIF), is even possible to measure the pressure and water levels?
by RTH at 3/28/2011 5:37:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:37:22 PM" ) )11:37 AM yesterday
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The spooky aspect is those suddenly appearing hot pools of water. I don't know if those were just pump/pipe leaks, stuff that was already there, hasn't dispersed any further than in the contaminated water, or if there were any off-gassinig events in the past week that could have carried new Pu out onto the landscape.
by Markfm at 3/28/2011 5:36:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:36:34 PM" ) )11:36 AM yesterday
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@Markfm I hope so. Though I really doubt that Tepco will survive this no matter what the outcome.
by gabe at 3/28/2011 5:36:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:36:34 PM" ) )11:36 AM yesterday
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@radioguy: As sad as it is, they don't know. People draw circles around themselves. They can't see beyond the immediate (and, maybe do not want to because it's just too hard to comprehend). When people are broken and suffering from loss, the circle is very small.
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 5:36:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:36:24 PM" ) )11:36 AM yesterday
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@Matsuoko I will try to verify but the blog said it was Bq/kg.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 5:36:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:36:09 PM" ) )11:36 AM yesterday
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@Tenzing - don't get me wrong -- I don't want to censor anyone. Just trying to explain why the ineffable doesn't get much attention around here.
As for the purpose of science, I believe that it is to explain the working of the world around us. To make the unknown known, to make the hitherto inexplicable manifest, to turn mystery into useful fact.
by Joshua Diamond at 3/28/2011 5:35:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:35:24 PM" ) )11:35 AM yesterday
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@Markfm I get the same feeling. I don't see anything in Kyodo's report that might indicate any level of disclaiming. I think they're still not sure. I believe they actually feared a lot more Pu being traced in the soil... maybe this is not so bad news after all. We have to wait and see.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 5:35:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:35:09 PM" ) )11:35 AM yesterday
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@gabe -- I don't see anything that will stop Daini from reopening. Being in the exclusion zone is, at least as of now, something temporary, to keep people out of harm's way. If everything suddenly turned favorable I fully expect that people would be permitted back in.
by Markfm at 3/28/2011 5:34:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:34:57 PM" ) )11:34 AM yesterday
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@RTH I don't see how IAEA are monitoring anything in the plant as there are no indications they have been invited through the gates , all they can do imho is repeat what tepco tell them
by elainekirk at 3/28/2011 5:34:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:34:25 PM" ) )11:34 AM yesterday
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by kgriff at 3/28/2011 5:34:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:34:19 PM" ) )11:34 AM yesterday
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If Adamo (IAEA) is saying it's difficult to know what is the right thing to do and what is the wrong thing to do. Every time they try to control one aspect (heat, or emissios) they seem to ignore what the reactor is going to do with their solutions....(leak water, look for a way to release ) On the other hand they may need to start considering what's the lesser of two evils....like instead of trying to control by pumping the tunnel water into non existant containment on site ( with no plan B if that doesn't work) they could chose to transfer the radioactive water completely away to a mid point in the ocean instead of allowing it to release just off shore in fishing grounds. Nobody WANTS to release the material into the ocean...(except the reactor) but if they continue to believe they can keep every aspect of this undercontrol, iof they continue to believe they can protect every indivicual human in the area, well that's only wishful thinking. I think they need to back track to keeping the site workable, and if that means dumping then do it. The alternative is too great an impact locally. What's the alternative- a site too hot to work in? Large releases locally?
by Pat at 3/28/2011 5:34:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:34:07 PM" ) )11:34 AM yesterday
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@All roundup of news stories for today pinned
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 5:33:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:33:57 PM" ) )11:33 AM yesterday
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@Jojo i cannot understand the quantities listed ((5.4+-0.62) x 10^-1). there is no unit given. is it Bq ? grams ? could be anything.
by Matsuoko at 3/28/2011 5:33:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:33:17 PM" ) )11:33 AM yesterday
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@Pedro -- When I read the latest Kyodo article, I took the "almost the same" to be in level, I didn't get any feel that TEPCO wasn't claiming they were from TEPCO.
by Markfm at 3/28/2011 5:33:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:33:01 PM" ) )11:33 AM yesterday
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@all just a thought since Daiini is in the exclusion zone Tepco will eventually have to shut that down permanently as well. This too could be a logistical nightmare as it would likely take years and a lot of manpower and gear. By the time this disaster at Daichi is stable Tepco will be broke and gone, the GoJ will have to take it over, sooner rather than later could be a good thing.
by gabe at 3/28/2011 5:32:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:32:56 PM" ) )11:32 AM yesterday
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@Pedro Jesus I wonder which "past nuclear experiences" they are referring to...
by Joshua Diamond at 3/28/2011 5:32:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:32:18 PM" ) )11:32 AM yesterday
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I see IAEA reports on the pressure being stable in the pressure vessels, indicating there is no major breach. How are they able to monitor the pressure in the RPV 's and CV's given the state of the control rooms and monitoring equipment? Same for the water level in the RPV's, is this known?
by RTH at 3/28/2011 5:32:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:32:12 PM" ) )11:32 AM yesterday
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@Pedro: It is very human to want to know and know it NOW.
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 5:32:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:32:11 PM" ) )11:32 AM yesterday
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Humanitarian Topic: @Joshua Diamond I was under the impression the basis of science was to investigate that which is nebulous, immeasurable, and unfalsifiable (?) for the purpose of creating a greater understanding of our internal and external environments to the point that what was once unknown becomes known. Furthermore this blog is titled Japan Earthquake LIVE not Everyone Focus on Engineering and Science Only. I think its wonderful that so many scientific minds are calculating the possibilities of what is taking place at Fukushima Plant No. 1 but I must make this point: To what end? How will the explorations and explanations of the hypotheses and theories presented here by the scientific minds truly assist in the crisis at Fukushima Plant No. 1 and why would they have greater value and censorship over other perspectives?
by Tenzing at 3/28/2011 5:31:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:31:53 PM" ) )11:31 AM yesterday
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What I'm really trying to say is that there are many reasons people might be going back, som temporary, some permanent. Some who left treasured photos, heirlooms or whatever, and know they were still there might look at the situation, calculate the odds, protect themselves as best as possible and make one quick run in to retrieve some of it.
by radioguy at 3/28/2011 5:31:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:31:48 PM" ) )11:31 AM yesterday
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@Jim Carver I wish I had a crystal ball, sometimes. Only sometimes. Anyway, according to TEPCO the traces of Pu found in the soil samples are "almost the same" (I wonder what this means) as Pu fallout from past nuclear experiences.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 5:31:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:31:36 PM" ) )11:31 AM yesterday
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@Meretisa: That's one of the reasons that I have been diligent with the FB postings. My friends are following. Not many comments other than appreciation. I feel responsible to let people know. If I had time, I would blog. When you approach it from a higher level and off the physical plane, it's more than the mind can comprehend. Could be why you are struggling.
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 5:31:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:31:14 PM" ) )11:31 AM yesterday
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@VeenOui - Reactor three is MOX, which is mixed oxide, thus the plutonium is allready oxidised, so i dont see how it would be flammable in this context.
by Treiagonaut at 3/28/2011 5:30:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:30:58 PM" ) )11:30 AM yesterday
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@Meretisa @Karen Warren - Good point. I too hate being the "Cassandra". To the spiritualist "prophecy", "vision" or "experience" come from the devine, the ineffable. To the skeptic, they come from scientific inference.
by Joshua Diamond at 3/28/2011 5:30:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:30:48 PM" ) )11:30 AM yesterday
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@Matsuoko I am posting the numbers and units from another blog, so take that with a grain of salt.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 5:30:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:30:43 PM" ) )11:30 AM yesterday
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@Joshua Diamond Understood.
by Meretisa at 3/28/2011 5:29:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:29:11 PM" ) )11:29 AM yesterday
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@kgriff As radioguy said, they are probably returning to collect valuables because it's not getting any better.
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 5:28:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:28:44 PM" ) )11:28 AM yesterday
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@Joshua Diamond Yes.
by es at 3/28/2011 5:28:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:28:42 PM" ) )11:28 AM yesterday
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Plutonium metal is difficult to handle and store safely, because it is radioactive and "pyrophoric" meaning it oxidizes and can become very hot when exposed to air. It can ignite nearby flammable materials, causing fires that can result in plutonium exposure of workers and the public. In addition, workers must avoid storing more than a few pounds in close proximity to prevent runaway fission, an uncontrolled nuclear chain reaction. Such a reaction’s burst of energy, known as a "criticality event," would not become a nuclear explosion, but could release radiation very dangerous to nearby workers. Such an event can also result in uncontrolled releases of both plutonium and fission products to the environment.
From the link i posted below
by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 5:27:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:27:40 PM" ) )11:27 AM yesterday
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@radioguy I have read recently that some of the people are returning to their homes in the affected areas because they are meeting with a fair degree of ostracism in the places to which they were evacuated.
by James Ward at 3/28/2011 5:27:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:27:35 PM" ) )11:27 AM yesterday
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by Sin at 3/28/2011 5:27:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:27:35 PM" ) )11:27 AM yesterday
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@Meretisa - perhaps that is the case. But you know what? They have their own free will, and can make their own decisions. We don't have to agree with them, or even understand them.
What we must do, however, as ethical human beings, is make sure that they have enough accurate scientific information to be able to make an informed decision to return or not. And that, as I see it, is my primary purpose here.
by Joshua Diamond at 3/28/2011 5:26:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:26:56 PM" ) )11:26 AM yesterday
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@LM I agree - many good contributors that never get mentioned. Its important they share their knowledge we all benefit.
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 5:26:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:26:42 PM" ) )11:26 AM yesterday
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@radioguy: people are returning because they need a sense of normalcy restored.
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 5:26:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:26:06 PM" ) )11:26 AM yesterday
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by Markfm at 3/28/2011 5:25:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:25:55 PM" ) )11:25 AM yesterday
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I wanted to find out if Plutonium is flammable and stumbled upon this page, that actually explains plutonium much easier to understand.
www.cdphe.state.co.usby VeenOui at 3/28/2011 5:25:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:25:04 PM" ) )11:25 AM yesterday
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@all Thanks! The thing I love most about this blog is the general quality of the information being discussed. The people of Japan deserve the respect of their government and I feel that they are being dismissed in a big way. Economic interests will be trumped by illness if they don't get it together!
by LM at 3/28/2011 5:25:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:25:02 PM" ) )11:25 AM yesterday
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@Karen Warren Thank you so much for sharing such a private thing. I will stay. Thank you. It is very hard to have such "prophecy" or "vision" or "experience" and to see it unfold so slowly and with so little coverage.
by Meretisa at 3/28/2011 5:24:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:24:42 PM" ) )11:24 AM yesterday
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@Pedro Jesus You have crystal ball I see.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 5:24:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:24:32 PM" ) )11:24 AM yesterday
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"Deconstructing Nuclear Experts"
www.counterpunch.com Scroll down for the article. The author, Chris Busby is Scientific Secretary of the European Committee on Radiation Risk. He is visiting Professor at the University of Ulster and also Guest Researcher at the Julius Kuehn Institute of the German Federal Agricultural Institute in Braunschweig, Germany. He was a member of the UK Committee Examining Radiation Risk on Internal Emitters CERRIE and the UK MoD Depleted Uranium Oversight Board. He was Science and Policy Interface leader of the Policy Information network on Child Health and Environment based in the Netherlands. He was Science and Technology Speaker for the Green Party of England and Wales. He has conducted fundamental research on the health effects of internal radiation both at the theoretical and epidemiological level, including recently on the genotoxic effects of the element uranium.
by James Ward at 3/28/2011 5:24:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:24:01 PM" ) )11:24 AM yesterday
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@Markfm About the tracing of Pu, you've just hit the point. They have been monitoring the presence of Pu around the area with less sensitive detectors since day 1 and have found none. That's why they sent soil samples to get tested more thoroughly, since they suspect breaches on the containment vessel of at least one of the reactors. Now they must determine whether those traces of Pu actually come from the nuclear plant, and if so exactly where they're leaking from.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/28/2011 5:23:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:23:42 PM" ) )11:23 AM yesterday
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I think if people there are returning to their homes, possibly it's because they now know this is not going away, and they figure if they want to get their best possessions, the radiation will only get worse.
by radioguy at 3/28/2011 5:23:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:23:33 PM" ) )11:23 AM yesterday
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@George it was actually on IAEA's site. Right here
www.iaea.orgby Sin at 3/28/2011 5:23:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:23:24 PM" ) )11:23 AM yesterday
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@Joshua Diamond Love your quotes. I'm just concerned that they are hiding that they are very ill and by letting htem return they can blame it on them for returning and not on themselves for exposure in the first place.
by Meretisa at 3/28/2011 5:23:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:23:21 PM" ) )11:23 AM yesterday
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@Meretisa: I'll share something else with you noting that I am a very private person by nature. When the earthquake/tsunami hit, my mind was filled with thoughts of the reactors. My FB page testifies to it (I've been posting article daily along w/photos). We differ in our belief systems, but we are connected. For me, it's a biblically-based, spiritual gift called 'the gift of knowledge" similar to prophecy - meaning that I know about things that haven't manifested yet. This happened to one of them, hence, my reason for being here. Anyway, I thought that I would share this with 'you' and I'm glad that you are here. Please stick around.
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 5:22:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:22:50 PM" ) )11:22 AM yesterday
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The government can say they should not go back, continuously, but at the end of the day if the people insist, what is the government to do? I do fault GoJ for not extending the evac to 30 km (at least), but don't fault that they are continuously on-message that the 20 radius is one people should stay out of.
by Markfm at 3/28/2011 5:21:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:21:48 PM" ) )11:21 AM yesterday
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@Sin Good find on CNN. Interview about IAEA limitations.
by George Gibb at 3/28/2011 5:21:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:21:47 PM" ) )11:21 AM yesterday
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@Jojo : i am quite confused about that plutonium readings. i am looking for a clue to put these things together. it seems that there is a meltdown in #3 spent fuel pool or even a vessel brerach in #3. but i am not clear about that. there must be an explanation for pu240 outside a reactor, damned. of course, it can have been there for 10000 years, but i doubt it.
by Matsuoko at 3/28/2011 5:21:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:21:43 PM" ) )11:21 AM yesterday
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@Meretisa I don't think anyone other than the people returning to their homes inside the evac zone themselves can answer the question of why they are returning. It is a question of sociology and psychology -- which are not exactly hard sciences.
All science is either physics or stamp collecting.
-- Ernest Rutherford
Common sense is what tells us that the earth is flat.
-- Carl Sagan
Read more:
wiki.answers.comby Joshua Diamond at 3/28/2011 5:21:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:21:43 PM" ) )11:21 AM yesterday
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For those that have time to read it: "Annex D. Health effects due to radiation from the Chernobyl accident"
www.unscear.org Very technical study.
by James Ward at 3/28/2011 5:21:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:21:16 PM" ) )11:21 AM yesterday
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by Meretisa at 3/28/2011 5:20:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:20:19 PM" ) )11:20 AM yesterday
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by kgriff at 3/28/2011 5:19:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:19:58 PM" ) )11:19 AM yesterday
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For those in the US concerned about NRC oversight: Audit of NRC's Implementation of 10 CFR Part 21,
Reporting of Defects and Noncompliance
www.nrc.govby Alaskan at 3/28/2011 5:19:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:19:58 PM" ) )11:19 AM yesterday
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@Joshua Diamond They are really tunnels of sorts that lead out to somewhere. They are filled with pipes and electrical conduits. A trench would be open on top these are tunnels
by NHK Listener at 3/28/2011 5:19:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:19:53 PM" ) )11:19 AM yesterday
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Meretisa -- the government seems strongly against people returning. See, for instance, the main story at japantimes.
by Markfm at 3/28/2011 5:19:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:19:43 PM" ) )11:19 AM yesterday
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@LM Absolutely.
by Sin at 3/28/2011 5:19:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:19:18 PM" ) )11:19 AM yesterday
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@LM We need biologists too! This thing encompasses all of science.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 5:18:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:18:54 PM" ) )11:18 AM yesterday
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@LM I've been banging on people around me with that every time they fall into believing the story is dead just because the media dropped it.
by radioguy at 3/28/2011 5:18:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:18:42 PM" ) )11:18 AM yesterday
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@LM I hear you. It is outrageous that this is "back burner" or not covered at all in the media.
by Meretisa at 3/28/2011 5:18:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:18:03 PM" ) )11:18 AM yesterday
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@LM Good point, I totally forgot about that!
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 5:17:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:17:50 PM" ) )11:17 AM yesterday
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Question for those who know the reactor design better than I do: What is the purpose of these "trenches" which contain the high levels of radionuclides? How are they used in the normal operation of the plant?
by Joshua Diamond at 3/28/2011 5:17:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:17:36 PM" ) )11:17 AM yesterday
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At least basic presence can be done much faster, though you lose sensitivity when you go for speed.
by Markfm at 3/28/2011 5:17:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:17:08 PM" ) )11:17 AM yesterday
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I've been lurking since the Reuter's blog and haven't contributed largely because I didn't want to say anything without some nuclear qualifications...as my background is biology...but I felt like I needed to say something now. I find it reprehensible that NBC, and in particular, the Today Show, has been squashing this story. It was the lead story on GMA this morning and delegated to background on NBC. The Today Show is owned by GE and they provided reactors 1, 2, and 6 as well as 26 sister facilities in this country. Is this freedom of the press!? I'm incredibly concerned that GE and it's buddy Tepco will continue to spin this in their direction just for profit! I really hope not. Keep up the blogging. This has been my top choice for info!!
by LM at 3/28/2011 5:17:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:17:04 PM" ) )11:17 AM yesterday
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@Joshua Diamond When I ask about thoughts as to why people are returning to their homes inside the evac zone how is that not answerable? They are going home and being allowed to it seems- why would the government not enforce it? That was my last question.
by Meretisa at 3/28/2011 5:16:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:16:54 PM" ) )11:16 AM yesterday
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@Matsuoko And can we imply that some Pu has been released into the atmosphere /ocean given it was in the spent fuel pool?
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 5:16:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:16:49 PM" ) )11:16 AM yesterday
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So, we'll check in 3 hours before the sun comes up there. I can say one thing, though. My cell phone is completely unreliable in low light, and it's the same resolution, 1.2 megapixels.
by radioguy at 3/28/2011 5:16:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:16:41 PM" ) )11:16 AM yesterday
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@kgriff: is a "high level" ?
by elise at 3/28/2011 5:16:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:16:38 PM" ) )11:16 AM yesterday
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Just logged on and great to see the 'Today's News' at the top of the page-Thank You!
by MaryW at 3/28/2011 5:16:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:16:18 PM" ) )11:16 AM yesterday
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@Karen Warren Walking "sniffing".hmmmmmmmm.stay up much ? ....hehe
by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 5:15:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:15:50 PM" ) )11:15 AM yesterday
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@Meretisa - point being that its not that we are ignoring you -- it is just that the question you ask is not answerable in any sort of scientific way.
by Joshua Diamond at 3/28/2011 5:15:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:15:24 PM" ) )11:15 AM yesterday
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Veen: walk away.
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 5:15:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:15:06 PM" ) )11:15 AM yesterday
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@Markfm I thought there was the ability to test in minutes and hours not days?? Strange that they are unable to do it quicker- you'd think that they'd have the technology to do that- or provided by other places like USA.
by Meretisa at 3/28/2011 5:15:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:15:05 PM" ) )11:15 AM yesterday
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inhalation of 40 nanograms (0.000000040 grams) of Pu 239 will bring the year# dose of radiation to a worker.
by Matsuoko at 3/28/2011 5:15:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:15:03 PM" ) )11:15 AM yesterday
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@Meretisa I missed it. I was reading about Pu.
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 5:15:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:15:00 PM" ) )11:15 AM yesterday
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@Veen: Should I lol or walking sniffling? :-)
by Karen Warren at 3/28/2011 5:14:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:14:51 PM" ) )11:14 AM yesterday
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@Meretisa To each his own. Your experience is absolutely valid...but probably not understood by most people here that see it :).
by Jojo at 3/28/2011 5:14:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:14:38 PM" ) )11:14 AM yesterday
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Don't know if you all had seen this from yesterday: March 27th - CNN analyst's worst case scenario - also what he believes is the most likely scenario
www.cnn.comby Jay77 at 3/28/2011 5:14:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:14:36 PM" ) )11:14 AM yesterday
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@radioguy ABSOLUTLY and it is not permanent either !
by VeenOui at 3/28/2011 5:13:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:13:31 PM" ) )11:13 AM yesterday
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@Bev I understand... it was relevant to the discussion going on. After that, it was shot down and asked to leave... then people were posting music videos, Glenn Beck videos, etc. and I felt like it was very hypicritical. I understand that this should be more about NEWS and nothing else, but my experience seems valid and others were speaking of similar things. I'm sorry.
by Meretisa at 3/28/2011 5:13:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:13:13 PM" ) )11:13 AM yesterday
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by kgriff at 3/28/2011 5:13:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:13:01 PM" ) )11:13 AM yesterday
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@George Gibb Thanks George!
by Jim Carver at 3/28/2011 5:12:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:12:58 PM" ) )11:12 AM yesterday
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by Sin at 3/28/2011 5:12:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:12:51 PM" ) )11:12 AM yesterday
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@VeenOui But that glow WAS there, artifact or not, at 17:01.
by radioguy at 3/28/2011 5:12:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:12:38 PM" ) )11:12 AM yesterday
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Anyhow, if those samples were from back on 21 and 22 March, I would be curious to see what new samples from exactly the same locations show, since the pools of water hadn't been around then. See if there's a change in the past week. Hopefully they'll also manage to do analysis in less than a week -- trade a bit of sensitivity (how low a content they can pick up) for speed of turnaround.
by Markfm at 3/28/2011 5:12:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/28/2011 5:12:38 PM" ) ) Monday, March 28, 2011 11:12 AM
