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• If you can read french, here's an interesting article about nuclear lobbying. it also states that the plant has had the highest rate of 'incidents'. (with 15 between 2005-2009).
  by nestor at 3/26/2011 2:14:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:14:33 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:14:33 AM
• @Dennis Tucker Jr Thanks
  by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 2:12:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:12:15 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:12:15 AM
• @George Just a big thank you for this. If you need any support please don't hesitate to ask.
  by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 2:11:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:11:26 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:11:26 AM
• @jay77 While there is probably no way to be certain, to me it seems very unlikely that those kinds of rates would be seen in Tokyo without a long period of buildup. I'm not sure on the exact statistics, but most of the deaths and sicknesses from Chernobyl were not from breathing radioactive air, but from eating contaminated food. Of course, the on site workers were sickened by the air, but they were on site. This article is by a hematologist who was one of the few doctors from the west to treat the victims on location. He said that many people tried to flee as far as 100km, but that turned out to be unnecessary. Tokyo is 240km away, so maybe you can take comfort in the fact that IF things are going to get bad, it will probably be from lack of fresh food or water and Tokyo should have fair warning. search.japantimes.co.jp
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 2:11:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:11:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:11:11 AM
• @futureisnow yay its working
  by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 2:09:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:09:36 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:09:36 AM
• welcome back Borrrden (test to see if my auto approve work ;-) )
  by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 2:07:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:07:19 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:07:19 AM
• @fiona I hear ya
  by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 2:06:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:06:46 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:06:46 AM
• hi George been on for a while but i tend you watch and read and learn. Needless to say thank you for this as I am another person who is xtremely worried about this situation.
  by fiona at 3/26/2011 2:05:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:05:35 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:05:35 AM
• QUESTION: I'm sure this has been asked ad-nauseam, but for a refresher: Worst case, if multiple reactors truly are leaking, and they melt through and completely fail, what is the worst scenario? It sounds as if Chernobyl numbers don't apply, so is the diameter of an 'exclusion zone' potentially larger or smaller than Chernobyl? I ask because there are a lot of people in the Tokyo area (including some family), and I'm sure they'd sleep easier if they knew the answer to that question. Is there any potential for Tokyo to be exposed to hourly radiation levels that are dangerous, or is the worst case more of a long-term food & water contamination problem?
  by jay77 at 3/26/2011 2:05:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:05:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:05:32 AM
• Hello! Here is the latest WHO situation report. A lot more information has been added on food contamination and seawater contamination. www.wpro.who.int
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 2:02:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:02:35 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:02:35 AM
• hi, borrden
  by marie rich at 3/26/2011 1:54:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:54:38 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:54:38 AM
• Hello, Dean! I am happy to see you here. I guess I missed what you had to say though. Hope to catch you on here soon!
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 1:53:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:53:57 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:53:57 AM
• cya all
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:53:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:53:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:53:56 AM
• at those plants they must plan for the worst and then adjust for the present
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:53:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:53:51 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:53:51 AM
• bye, Dean
  by marie rich at 3/26/2011 1:53:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:53:41 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:53:41 AM
• I must go train for awhile and will be back
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:53:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:53:12 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:53:12 AM
• Seems apparent that they're playing catch-up. I wish I was more sure that they were now operating in a 'worst case' mindset.
  by marie rich at 3/26/2011 1:53:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:53:09 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:53:09 AM
• the source term for a reactor also depends on how long it has operated since the last startup from refueling... they measure operation in so many MEGAWATTS per day or MWD and then couple that with the burnup rate of the fuel to precisely know at any point what the source term is.. then in accidents those who track plumes etc will know a starting point for worst case...
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:53:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:53:04 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:53:04 AM
• ok ... i just now get it, i think thanks
  by marie rich at 3/26/2011 1:50:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:50:52 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:50:52 AM
• as a hypothetical ... a reactor core can have 1000curie source term but the canal would have 4000 curies... and.. that fuel in the canal is at a much more mixed condition.. some elements have cooled to ony be generating 30 watts of power where they can handle them safetly.. and others that are just discharged from the reactor in an outage
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:49:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:49:36 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:49:36 AM
• marie... the main thing is that there is more tonnage of fuel in the canal.. and in accidents we talk about "source term" ie: the total curie content.. .that correlates to the maximum amount of gamma, and air activity from an accident..
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:47:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:47:45 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:47:45 AM
• ZAMG for the 26th is out www.zamg.ac.at
  by kgriff at 3/26/2011 1:47:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:47:26 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:47:26 AM
• They say that the water in the pools have much higher radioactivity than what would normally be found in a operating reactor. Do thay mean as in normal coolant system (virtually nil), or as in reactor core? I don't know how to read that
  by marie rich at 3/26/2011 1:44:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:44:50 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:44:50 AM
• had to reboot
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:41:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:41:55 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:41:55 AM
• a thought that just occured to me, in the last couple of days... they began running the backup cooling system with replaced pumps on restored electricity could this not show up in the plumbing in the loop at the turbine?
  by elise at 3/26/2011 1:40:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:40:34 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:40:34 AM
• @futureisnow Not sure - I'll investigate it more and put a ticket in if I can't resolve it.
  by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 1:39:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:39:31 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:39:31 AM
• oh, Thanks. should I do something ? may be I need to relog ?
  by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 1:37:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:37:31 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:37:31 AM
• Q:If the water in the cooling pools cooked off and then was sprayed...Rinse repeat rinse repeat. The fuel being exposed to air would be like a sparkler of sorts. Wouldn't that make the water contamination/radiation level skyrocket due to the added particulate from burning and rinsing? A: According to the book someone posted here yesterday, the answer is a qualified yes. Fuel pellets form a roughly stable 0 mass transfer boundary across the cladding even during operation. There can be pinholes in the cladding which normally are of no concern. But, if the temperature of the pellet is changed rapidly, core water temp changes rapidly, and/or the pressure profile changes across the cladding then, core water flows into the pellet, then comes back out of the pellet carrying the dissolved fission products like cesium, iodine and strontium. Because of this, there is normally a spike in core water radioactivity when the reactor is shut down.
  by NHK Listener at 3/26/2011 1:36:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:36:59 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:36:59 AM
• @futureisnow - just so you know your auto-approve setting is on but a Scribble quirk is causing me to manually approve =/
  by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 1:35:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:35:20 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:35:20 AM
• after 24 hours of sleep. im back
  by highnoon at 3/26/2011 1:34:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:34:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:34:56 AM
• JOSHUA try to search for a P&ID.. of a BWR system.
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:34:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:34:43 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:34:43 AM
• nice find canadian... from a gross observation,, they are going to have tons of water to deal with and I'll bet they don't have a plan.. just mainly responding to crisis... this is one area of attention that needs to be done... they even had to have a cooling system at chernbyl.. so we just don't bury things and slap our hands together and go have pizza..
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:34:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:34:07 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:34:07 AM
• There are lots of diagrams out there which show the basics of the piping at a BWR. Is there any site that anyone knows of which actually shows ALL of the detail -- including things like fire supression lines, steam bleed from turbines, etc.?
  by Joshua Diamond at 3/26/2011 1:32:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:32:29 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:32:29 AM
• @Dean repost: I saw a news report yesterday about the water in the turbine rooms and the seawater contamination levels, to confirm I have this right since I'm maintaining a thread on a forum for some friends... the highly radiated water from the turbine rooms has been draining through the north channel into the sea and they are now containing that water and figuring out how to deal with it?
  by you
  by Canadian at 3/26/2011 1:32:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:32:17 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:32:17 AM
• yes Dennis... I'll try to research more
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:32:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:32:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:32:03 AM
• Although you all may have that one already...lol Hard to know just how many have been thrown out to date. :)
  by Stormy at 3/26/2011 1:31:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:31:58 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:31:58 AM
• @Dean @Nancy according to en.wikipedia.org , there is , among others a "liquid colling metal" with tin , a solution by Ukranian scientist. Dean, what do you think of that kind of idé, at the first sight (it need to be scroll down a little in the wikipedia page)
  by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 1:31:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:31:48 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:31:48 AM
• gm marie
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:31:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:31:43 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:31:43 AM
• Here is a site that has several different links that may be of interest. www.mofa.go.jp
  by Stormy at 3/26/2011 1:31:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:31:27 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:31:27 AM
• Morning, all
  by marie rich at 3/26/2011 1:31:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:31:19 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:31:19 AM
• @Dean I asked a few days ago about the meaning of those values, as at first look it would appear that the pressure is ata vacuum state (with negative readings, I mean). After further thought I speculated that the number indicated the CHANGE in the reading from previous... but I have absolutely no way to find out without calling someone in Japan. They have better questions to answer right now though :/
  by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 1:31:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:31:05 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:31:05 AM
• which one is that canadian.. my eyes must be buggy.. I can't see it
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:31:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:31:00 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:31:00 AM
• @Dean: It just seems more likely for the water to come from the pool or from some leaking cooling pipe than from a broken reactor...?
  by Jeff at 3/26/2011 1:29:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:29:25 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:29:25 AM
• Dean can you confirm my understanding of the news report I mentioned below?
  by Canadian at 3/26/2011 1:29:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:29:16 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:29:16 AM
• jeff.. at this point pool leakage could... seems like they suspect some leakage... those fuel spent pools are robustly designs.. heavy rebar'd concrete and it has a stainless steel liner
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:28:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:28:28 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:28:28 AM

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• lol\
  by Canadian at 3/26/2011 1:28:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:28:17 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:28:17 AM
• There has been a dearth of news since last 2 days. Is that because some sort of external pressure on news sources or a genuine case?
  by Optim at 3/26/2011 1:28:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:28:14 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:28:14 AM
• lol
  by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 1:28:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:28:07 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:28:07 AM
• nancy.. some times I used to pull a little trick on things and say.. PLANA.. THEN PLAN B THEN PLANC THEN PLAN-D... knowing all along that plan D was dean HA HA.....
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:27:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:27:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:27:32 AM
• @Dean: Could it be that the water came from the pools, or is that out of the question?
  by Jeff at 3/26/2011 1:26:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:26:52 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:26:52 AM
• and .. showing that the government will come get the people and move them..
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:26:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:26:30 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:26:30 AM
• Thanks for this critical service George. All input much appreciated.
  by es at 3/26/2011 1:26:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:26:25 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:26:25 AM
• communication and education is really key
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:26:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:26:07 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:26:07 AM
• good point nancy.. I asked that yesterday.. if I were there , more would be done and told to the public and ask for public involvement so they feel like they are part of the solution...
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:25:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:25:58 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:25:58 AM
• joshua,, I wish they would put.. NORMAL then where is is now.. and then design.. from what I saw at least the pressures are below design
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:25:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:25:05 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:25:05 AM
• @hudebnik I think Reuters has to walk a tight rope at times - but they are still an excellent source
  by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 1:25:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:25:00 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:25:00 AM
• Thanks George, this is a great and essential resource, especially when Reuters of all people seem to have lost sight of the importance of this event.
  by hudebnik at 3/26/2011 1:23:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:23:49 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:23:49 AM
• Has anyone heard of a plan b yet? It sounds like #3 and #1 have melted down and probably are leaking. Can they "sandbag" these plants or at least the ones that are too far gone with the current situation of hot fuel or reaction in what is left of the reactors and with all that water and semi-active fuel in their fuel pools? I really wonder if they have done anything to line up materials and equipment to do something like this yet?
  by Nancy at 3/26/2011 1:23:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:23:44 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:23:44 AM
• Good morning, George.
  by Stormy at 3/26/2011 1:23:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:23:27 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:23:27 AM
• @All Morning, Today I will look at setting up additional moderators and possibly a plan upgrade to unlock more features.
  by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 1:22:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:22:40 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:22:40 AM
• dailykos japan nuclear clearinghouse page #12 ( it leans left) www.dailykos.com
  by elise at 3/26/2011 1:19:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:19:10 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:19:10 AM
• Question: the reactor pressures in MPa shown at www.nisa.meti.go.jp - are those in pressure above ambient? I ask because many of the readings seem to be less than 1 atmosphere...
  by Joshua Diamond at 3/26/2011 1:18:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:18:57 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:18:57 AM
• in designs we would cover accident analyses and do probability risk assessments to make sure we cover all accident sets in reactors.. then after TMI and CHERNOBYL we had to rethink the whole thing and go off and do another whole set of accident analyses.. called.. BEYOND DESIGN BASIS accidents mainly in areas of things like the 1000 year floor or... other phenomina and let the accident analyses programs run longer to make sure when we think pressure in the vessel remains low.. it really does.. .they we did a whole set of MHA's.. maximum hypothetical accident with PRA..
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:18:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:18:53 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:18:53 AM
• there is another conference with Mr Tanaka, sorry , the one I have seen live this morning is not the one I just give the link but it is still very informative.
  by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 1:18:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:18:26 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:18:26 AM
• nuclear engineers and physicists are scratching their head .. trust me because I am too and my friends.. on trying to explain things mathematically that have gone outside the NORMAL accident analyses.
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:15:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:15:49 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:15:49 AM
• for the cnic conference, you can start at 12 mins. For now, it's the best explanation I have found, and by someone who designed a part of it. @Nancy the poor moderator here have allow a lot of message all a sudain, that's why some old comments kust come in . And we can't blame him/her, because it's a huge work, for a benevol . www.ustream.tv
  by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 1:14:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:14:39 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:14:39 AM
• right hudebnik....
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:14:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:14:27 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:14:27 AM
• reuters archives the thead. maintini
  by elise at 3/26/2011 1:13:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:13:24 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:13:24 AM
• I know many things I would be doing if there and, at first I only assumed they were doing. .like the soil sampling or other means to learn more than using just those permanent fixtures to monitor air activity.... and they have to keep instruments calibrated and be careful not to cross contaminate..
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:13:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:13:22 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:13:22 AM
• This may be a really stupid question, but if it were possible to have a giant vacuum that sucked up all the air around a pool or reactor, is there anything you could use as a filter to remove the radioactive particles?
  by percy at 3/26/2011 1:13:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:13:21 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:13:21 AM
• Does anyone know whether underground hydrogen explosions would appear as earthquakes on seismological reports?
  by es at 3/26/2011 1:13:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:13:14 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:13:14 AM
• @Dean and a very prescient prediction of what "could" happen at a BWR in a major power outage, now sadly proved.
  by hudebnik at 3/26/2011 1:12:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:12:49 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:12:49 AM
• reuters isn't back on, it just looks that way because the comments now get more recent as you go down.
  by sgl at 3/26/2011 1:12:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:12:12 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:12:12 AM
• Seismic Damage Information (the 54th Release)(As of 12:00 March 26th, 2011) www.nisa.meti.go.jp
  by NHK Listener at 3/26/2011 1:12:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:12:07 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:12:07 AM
• @Indreba, I just went to Reuters and they have a mention that they are offline for a while again.
  by Nancy at 3/26/2011 1:11:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:11:42 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:11:42 AM
• good sites
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:09:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:09:29 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:09:29 AM
• www.iaea.org this is a good explanation of melting affects
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:08:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:08:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:08:11 AM
• @borrrden: some more radiation maps at: fukushima.wikispaces.com
  by vindolin at 3/26/2011 1:05:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:05:58 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:05:58 AM
• @Albert Lee in Manila lots of related links and informations: fukushima.wikispaces.com
  by vindolin at 3/26/2011 1:05:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:05:50 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:05:50 AM
• Frequent links can be found at: fukushima.wikispaces.com
  by Terratalk at 3/26/2011 1:05:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:05:37 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:05:37 AM
• REUTERS IS BACK ON NOW! But maybe keep this open just in case it goes off again.. ;0) live.reuters.com
  by Indreba at 3/26/2011 1:05:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:05:29 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:05:29 AM
• found that on another forum: arstechnica.com the are talking about a possible recriticality in #1
  by itzy at 3/26/2011 1:05:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:05:21 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:05:21 AM
• en.wikipedia.org
  by Tchin at 3/26/2011 1:05:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:05:13 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:05:13 AM
• Yes. Hello, Dean.
  by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 1:05:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:05:08 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:05:08 AM
• Does anyone else find it odd that the Reuter's blog goes silent when containment was confirmed to be breached?
  by Billy at 3/26/2011 1:04:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:04:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:04:56 AM
• also, there are no mention of numbers, so... I think the north west of Fukushima should be more on focus for the news. 65 uSv is high.. it's not everywhere, but since days, high doses have been in the same places
  by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 1:04:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:04:53 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:04:53 AM
• the bilingual conference with the CNIC Citizen's Nuclear Info Centre, and mr
  by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 1:04:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:04:51 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:04:51 AM
• And from the breakdown (NISA link by kb at 1246 below) of the nucleides is it possible to tell if they are from a reactor core or a fuel pool (or is there no appreciable difference)?
  by hudebnik at 3/26/2011 1:04:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:04:39 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:04:39 AM
• oooops . cnic with mr Tanaka was quite scaring, but very informative
  by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 1:04:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:04:34 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:04:34 AM
• Ha had explained why he is sure that on the 1rst day, Tepco had understood the situation at reactor n°1
  by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 1:04:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:04:22 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:04:22 AM

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• I saw a news report yesterday about the water in the turbine rooms and the seawater contamination levels, to confirm I have this right since I'm maintaining a thread on a forum for some friends... the highly radiated water from the turbine rooms has been draining through the north channel into the sea and they are now containing that water and figuring out how to deal with it?
  by Canadian at 3/26/2011 1:04:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:04:17 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:04:17 AM
• @Dean: Could it be that the water came from the pools, or is that out of the question?
  by Jeff at 3/26/2011 1:04:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:04:15 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:04:15 AM
• @Dean Have they taken any soil samples from between the reactor and turbine buildings?? No expert but I do know what happens to excess water runoff [from dumping on the reactors). With the hydrogen explosions there was also bound to be a bunch of radioactive debris that could have been leeched thru as the water returns to the water table underground. Which also would allow the basements to fill up (assuming that they have a normal way of keeping the basement dry, such as a sump or "french drain") as the ground exceeded saturation from the [already disclosed] thousands of tons of water injected on the site.
  by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 1:04:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:04:05 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:04:05 AM
• well, if it possible to post a link;-) www.ustream.tv it the recorded bilingue conference with mr Tanaka, this morning, he was one in charge of the design of the containment vessel...
  by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 1:03:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:03:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:03:56 AM
• what is it stormy
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 1:02:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:02:15 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:02:15 AM
• I was just thinking of another possibility as to how water may have gotten in there. Although I doubt that could be it due to the level of contamination being reported.
  by Stormy at 3/26/2011 1:00:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 1:00:06 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:00:06 AM
• @Dean thanks Dean, that sounds very similar to the routine hubby goes through
  by Canadian at 3/26/2011 12:58:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:58:40 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:58:40 AM
• but.. if it were.. it's not much worse than the canals with tons of fuel exposed to the atmosphere
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 12:57:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:57:23 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:57:23 AM
• I'm not certain on that question stormy.. unless I've missed it in some coverage of the accident I don't know
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 12:57:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:57:00 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:57:00 AM
• canadian, in my area they initially use a counter that every one must self survey with when leaving a potential contamination area.. followed by stepping into a PCM-1B which measures the body and hands.. you face one way and count then turn around.. if levels are picked up .. you try to wash which removes most of the particles.. if the readings are still there or if you were in a higher rad area then you go to the WHOLE BODY counter and take this nice YELLOW lunch box home and give a sample called the bioassay. those are initial steps
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 12:56:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:56:24 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:56:24 AM
• Do we know if the turbine area is open to outside air? Damaged walls, roof, etc..
  by Stormy at 3/26/2011 12:53:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:53:24 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:53:24 AM
• @Dean re: internal/ingested radiation, its my understanding that none of the measuring methods they use on the spot measure this, this has to be measured by bioassay testing? (this is how they tested hubby when he might have been exposed working on the face of the CANDU)
  by Canadian at 3/26/2011 12:53:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:53:09 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:53:09 AM
• I posted a couple of web sites that are good in explaning core melts and even show figures of the diagrams of core areas where some of the leaks can get out of the vessel
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 12:52:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:52:48 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:52:48 AM
• It's so frustrating for me in trying to decipher all the physics of this disaster. So it is great to have a place to come and have it explained.
  by Stormy at 3/26/2011 12:51:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:51:53 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:51:53 AM
• hudebnik... that's been the million dollar question,, how does it migrate from the reactor vessel core area to the turbine area. I look at it as .. what are the paths to get there and try to see which path seems likely... we know there have been earthquakes with after shocks, we have had violent zirc-water ignitions and hydrogen explosions... so.. any path.. via penetrations for instrument cabling, electrical cabling.. piping penetrations etc. are paths for steam under pressure to escape and get to that area.. and of course the steam probably have concentrations of radioactive material which would be reading very high...
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 12:50:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:50:17 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:50:17 AM
• Yes, it is greatly appreciated. I was very happy to see George was able to get this going.
  by Stormy at 3/26/2011 12:48:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:48:42 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:48:42 AM
• ty billy...
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 12:47:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:47:34 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:47:34 AM
• medical testing like the THORIUM activated stress test is a common example where a radioactive isotope is put in the body for perposes to trace and see where there may be problems.. if the person walks through a detector he/she would set off the alarm until the isotope goes away
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 12:47:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:47:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:47:11 AM
• Hi Dean, good to see you. What's your take on where the the highly contaminated water in (all 4?) of the turbine rooms is coming from?
  by hudebnik at 3/26/2011 12:46:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:46:49 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:46:49 AM
• NISA did some tests of the water found in turbine 1: www.nisa.meti.go.jp
  by kb at 3/26/2011 12:46:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:46:44 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:46:44 AM
• thanks to anyone posting information. Special thanks to Dean for giving accurate and insightful info without panic mongering or playing the role of nuclear defender.
  by Billy at 3/26/2011 12:46:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:46:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:46:32 AM
• we call it uptake dose, and. the 1/2 life of the isotope can be factored into how long of a time before it decays to normal..
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 12:45:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:45:49 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:45:49 AM
• usually what you see when radioactive isotopes are measures will be comparisons to CAT SCAN, regular x-rays, sun, natural occuring things. those comparisons to me sometimes are misleading because they don't talk about.. ingestion. the isotopes once in the body and depending on the type of isotope can affect different areas and organs of the body.. like the thyroid and why they say.. "saturate" it with normal non radioactive iodide from a tablet. there is a difference between doses of ray type radiation verses.. ingested doses
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 12:44:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:44:39 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:44:39 AM
• indeed,
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 12:40:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:40:25 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:40:25 AM
• I'm sure different countries are hyper vigilant right now as well. So, anything above the 'norm' is viewed as critical.
  by Stormy at 3/26/2011 12:37:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:37:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:37:32 AM
• if I had children or if there were a pregnant lady.. those are the two groups that are affected when others may not be.
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 12:36:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:36:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:36:32 AM
• instrumentation in todays world has increase so much.. when I started my career we were measuring in millicuries, then it went to a next order of magnitude lower then another order of magnitude lower.. so now it's able to see.. levels that are 10000 times lower than limits and if someone says.. it's 10,000 times normal.. it's stillnot exceeding a limit.
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 12:35:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:35:18 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:35:18 AM
• these types of stories will probably increase in days or months to come. and, depending on the minute levels of detection on the instruments they can be of no concern or consequence, just elevate small numbers. the wind patterns for carrying radioactive fallout is so hard to accurately predict that minor uptake through breathing or drinking will show some increased levels.. the units and types of isotope are always needed
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 12:33:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:33:20 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:33:20 AM
• When I checked a day or two ago...They said these Japanese tourists were from 2 different places in Japan. I checked on the map and they were quite a distance from Fukushima.
  by Stormy at 3/26/2011 12:29:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:29:57 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:29:57 AM
• I'm still curious about this story. www.todayonline.com
  by Stormy at 3/26/2011 12:29:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:29:04 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:29:04 AM
• I haven't been checking on things quite yet, eating some breakfast at the moment.
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 12:23:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:23:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:23:32 AM
• Same here...So what's the latest? I'm just getting browsers open.
  by Stormy at 3/26/2011 12:22:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:22:25 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:22:25 AM
• ditto
  by Canadian at 3/26/2011 12:21:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:21:27 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:21:27 AM
• me too stormy.. sipping coffee..
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 12:20:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:20:59 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:20:59 AM
• Hi Dean...I'm up...barely
  by Stormy at 3/26/2011 12:18:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:18:31 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:18:31 AM
• anybody up
  by Dean at 3/26/2011 12:10:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 12:10:06 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:10:06 AM
• www.ustream.tv - sorry fingers slipped - from CNIC Citizen's Nuclear Info Centre
  by andyjsha at 3/26/2011 10:45:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:45:26 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:45:26 AM
• Seems to be a live bilingual conference from the CNIC (Japan's
  by andyjsha at 3/26/2011 10:44:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:44:46 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:44:46 AM
• rest well, Borrrden . see you soon (check your domain name mail )
  by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 10:43:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:43:01 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:43:01 AM
• Well done, @borrden, @Jojo. Bye for now. Rest well, for tomorrow we ...
  by Albert Lee in Manila at 3/26/2011 10:41:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:41:10 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:41:10 AM
• @borrrden We all hope for good news. Every day we are all hoping for it. I am going to sign off as well.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:40:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:40:10 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:40:10 AM
• I have to stop spending my entire evening on here so I will stop posting now. I would be happy to see the evacuation zone expanded, but I also appreciate the difficulties faced in doing so. I'm sure they are not doing it just to be mean. I also will accept the conclusions of a person educated in this kind of situation over my own. I hope every day for some good news!!
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 10:38:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:38:29 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:38:29 AM
• I might be missing something here ... The U.S. Dept of Energy's Situation in Japan web page <http://blog.energy.gov/content/situation-japan/> (Updated 03/25/11) has a summative slide show report, titled Radiological Assessment, March 25, 201 and on slide 6 there are two sentences that seem to jump at me:
  (1) No new areas of deposition are apparent although winds since March 19th have crossed the area measured.
  (2) Conclusion: In the area measured, radiological material has not deposited in significant quantities since March 19th.
  There was an editorial note, though, that says "These conclusions are preliminary."
  by Albert Lee in Manila at 3/26/2011 10:33:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:33:43 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:33:43 AM
• @borrrden Me neither. :)
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:32:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:32:56 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:32:56 AM
• @Jojo The conflict is Barium-137 vs. Barium-137m. I am not educated enough to speculate on which is correct.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 10:32:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:32:16 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:32:16 AM

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• @andyjsha Sorry for my first flippant response, I didn't read your last line until after I posted.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:31:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:31:05 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:31:05 AM
• @borrrden Maybe a different isotope of Barium? This is Barium 137, same atomic number as cesium. Not sure.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:30:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:30:14 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:30:14 AM
• @andyjsha I appreciate the concern you have for the people in those prefectures, but there have been considerable studies over the decades of radiation exposure. Frequency of xrays, radiation workers, uranium miners, xrays, xray technicians, exposure from nuclear accidents, even airline pilots. There is actually quite a vast amount of data. On average, the % chance of fatality from cancer per sievert is 5%, ranging from 4% for adult men to 14% for young girls < 15.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:29:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:29:50 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:29:50 AM
• @Jojo Hmm, that information conflicts with the information here periodictable.com
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 10:28:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:28:55 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:28:55 AM
• @borrrden en.wikipedia.org Ba-137m has a half-life of about 2.55 minutes, and it is responsible for all of the emissions of gamma rays.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:27:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:27:26 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:27:26 AM
• www3.nhk.or.jp 3 experts ??? that don't seem to be a real effort to help..
  by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 10:26:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:26:24 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:26:24 AM
• @andyjsha The EPA would disagree with you, they have calcualted % fatality from every exposure and isotope here: www.epa.gov
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:26:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:26:23 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:26:23 AM
• @Jojo Cesium-137 decays into Barium-137, a stable isotope.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 10:25:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:25:53 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:25:53 AM
• @borrrden Not from Cesium -137.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:25:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:25:37 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:25:37 AM
• Jojo I'm reading your posts with interest thankyou. However there is no scientific consensus on long term radiation risk, only hypothesis and that's because there's actually very few events available to study with the kind of bias limitation modelling that empirical methods need. I agree that people need to be safeguarded from long term exposure, but stating as fact how many will die I think is difficult, and I wouldn't do it given that people who read this, like me, have friends and even relations in fukushima/miyagi.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_no-threshold_model
  by andyjsha at 3/26/2011 10:25:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:25:29 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:25:29 AM
• @futureisnow They need to be forcibly evacuated. They put at risk every delivery person that has to go there, or the SDF forces that babysit them. Wait until the radiation is controlled, iodine to die down, then take cesium measurements. If the radiation doesn't die down they shouldn't be there anyway.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:25:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:25:19 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:25:19 AM
• IAEA Sends Second and Third Teams to Japan to Aid Response to Nuclear Emergency www.facebook.com!/notes/international-atomic-energy-agency-iaea/fukushima-daiichi-nuclear-accident-update-26-march-1030-utc/204814019548392
  by NHK Listener at 3/26/2011 10:24:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:24:33 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:24:33 AM
• @Jojo Barium is stable....
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 10:24:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:24:13 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:24:13 AM
• @borrrden Right, but most of the Barium decay is gamma, where most of the energy is (not Cesium).
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:23:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:23:58 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:23:58 AM
• @Jojo @borrrden : we can debate for days. the fact is that in some places, radioactivity is much more than in some others. Or, as say witnesses, peoples have difficulties to get food, so they need to go outside the 30 kms/zone with cars. and and lot of supply truck don't want to go inside that 30 kms. Only the government can take in charge some peoples in this places. Looking at the mext map since days, we can see which zones have every day bad mesurments. it's in north west. Problem is for these peoples to get food, because they must go outside..
  by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 10:23:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:23:49 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:23:49 AM
• www.slideshare.net
  by NHK Listener at 3/26/2011 10:23:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:23:35 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:23:35 AM
• @borrrden It should be done. We are only see a portion of the numbers taken. They need to evacuate everyone for at least enough time for them to stop the radiation at the plant and the iodine to disperse. After that they monitor cesium and go from there. At this point they have no idea how many kids will develop fatal cancer for the spots they haven't measured.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:23:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:23:16 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:23:16 AM
• @Jojo What are you talking about? Cesium is pure beta decay into Barium. Iodine is beta decay into Xenon.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 10:22:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:22:35 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:22:35 AM
• @borrrden yes you won't get hit by radiation from outside through the walls. But the cesium/iodine is in the AIR, it travels inside the house and then decays THERE. Besides most damage from cesium is from gamma radiation from Barium, and 2/3 of Iodine radiation is gamma.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:21:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:21:11 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:21:11 AM
• @Jojo If I were them, I would evacuate, and I do think it is a good idea to be safe and get everyone out of that area, but I worry about the logistics of such an operation....
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 10:20:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:20:38 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:20:38 AM
• @Jojo They clearly stated that it was to mitigate atmospheric exposure. They said over and over again how beta radiation doesn't penetrate through walls. The air is not saturated with those particles, but if you are standing outside you are getting hit with all of them, while if you are inside, some of them will be stopped by the wall.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 10:19:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:19:26 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:19:26 AM
• @borrrden And keep in mind that if the radiation is from cesium, the half life is 30 years. So far the radiation has only been stable or increasing. Given Iodine half-life is 8 days and it won't be "inert" for 7 half-lives, that's 56 days, assuming the radiation STOPPED TODAY. Sure you'd get progressively lower numbers, but I don't think the radiation will stop today.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:19:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:19:19 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:19:19 AM
• @borrrden It was to reduce soil contamination. It doesn't do anything for the air because they don't have filters that can take out radiation in the air.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:17:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:17:26 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:17:26 AM
• @borrrden And the "soil" radiation is on top of their house, on top of their car, on their lawn, everywhere. How long do you want them to wait?
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:16:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:16:43 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:16:43 AM
• @Jojo It definitely does make a difference if you do it properly. Beta radiation does not penetrate walls well. They have also been advised NOT to use their air conditioners or other devices that circulate air, and to seal their windows. I agree this will not eliminate it, but it will reduce it by a good amount. Otherwise, what was the stay inside order for? Just to make the residents' lives even more terrible?
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 10:16:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:16:24 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:16:24 AM
• @borrrden It doesn't make any difference if they are inside or outside with the air. Air circulates.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:14:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:14:37 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:14:37 AM
• @elainekirk2001 ""safely bailing out the water so that it does not get out into the environment, and we are making preparations."" I didn't find anywhere where they are going to store that highly contaminated water..
  by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 10:14:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:14:14 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:14:14 AM
• @borrrden And for the dust samples, clearly these are for air :). The highest one on here is 30 uSv/ hour, which is at 30 km from the plant. At that rate, 1 in 198 young girls will get fatal cancer AFTER 7 DAYS. After 14 days, 1 in 99 will get fatal cancer. after 28 days, 1 in 49. etc.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:13:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:13:59 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:13:59 AM
• @Jojo IF they are outside the entire time. Also notice that it the 63.5 is inside the area where they have been ordered to stay indoors as much as possible (30 km). The 92.5 is at the edge of the mandatory evacuation zone (20 km).
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 10:13:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:13:40 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:13:40 AM
• 2011-03-26
  Reactor Status and Major Events Update 36 - NPPs in Fukushima as of 16:00 March www.jaif.o.jp
  by NHK Listener edited by elainekirk at 3/26/2011 10:11:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:11:32 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:11:32 AM
• @borrrden Then let's calculate it for a week. At 92.5 uSv/ hour, that's 1 in 64 young girls getting fatal cancer EVERY WEEK. At 65 uSv/ hour, that's 1 in 91 young girls getting cancer EVERY WEEK.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:11:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:11:02 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:11:02 AM
• @Jojo Perhaps they are giving uSv because more people understand it than Bq, and it is hard to convert Bq to Sv anyway. No they are not in their houses the entire time BUT, do you think they are standing outside for hours at a time? The last question I have no idea, but isn't that the point of the air readings?
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 10:10:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:10:38 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:10:38 AM
• @borrrden They aren't going to give a uSv /hour reading for soil if they are measuring the soil Bq right next to it :). We can plug in the coefficients ourselves. That said, do you think people have been in their houses the entire time? For how long? And given a saturated uSv/ hour for soil, do you think the air is far behind?
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:09:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:09:07 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:09:07 AM
• @Jojo You are the only person talking about years of exposure. That is what they mean by "no immediate risk". If the levels remain elevated, I assume they will come up with another plan.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 10:08:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:08:40 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:08:40 AM
• a new one from Reuters Radiation spikes in seawater by stricken Japan Plant www.reuters.com
  by elainekirk at 3/26/2011 10:07:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:07:30 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:07:30 AM
• Even at 10 uSv/ hour, after 1 year 1 in 81 young girls < 15 will contract fatal cancer from the radiation. It's all linear. so in 2 years 1 in 40.5, etc.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:07:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:07:10 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:07:10 AM
• @Jojo Yes, so like I said, the 103 is based on being IN CONTACT with it for a full hour. I don't think anyone is standing around outside at this point.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 10:06:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:06:48 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:06:48 AM
• @borrrden It doesn't matter if it's soil or air. Soil is actually worse because rain isn't going to help it after it's already been rained on. 1 Sv is 1 Sv, regardless of air/soil/food/water. If it's soil of 103 uSv/ hour or air of 103 uSv/hour, contact with it will give you 103 Sv every hour. Meaning breathing the air or standing on the ground.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:05:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:05:32 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:05:32 AM
• @borrrden Let's take 25 uSv/hour. At that rate, 1 in 32 young girls will get fatal cancer after 1 year of exposure. In 10th a year, it's 1 in 320. 2 yeras, 1 in 16.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:04:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:04:05 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:04:05 AM
• @Jojo Yes, and that one says "soil measurement" if it were air readings, it would have been put under "dust measurement".
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 10:03:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:03:13 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:03:13 AM
• @borrrden Yes, this one maxes out at 92.5 uSv/ hour. This one www.mext.go.jp has the 103 number. There is another that has 106, I'll see if I can find it
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:01:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:01:45 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:01:45 AM
• @Jojo I don't see anything above 100 in that document.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 9:59:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:59:53 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:59:53 AM
• @borrrden Take the air, soil, water, food measurements and put them all together. These people need to be evacuated.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:59:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:59:40 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:59:40 AM
• @borrrden The measurements below are for the air, not soil or spinach. They are driving around taking these measurements. Check it out www.mext.go.jp
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:58:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:58:29 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:58:29 AM
• @Jojo As long as you keep saying that, I must keep countering with that only applies if they stand in that one spot of soil for that amount of time.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 9:56:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:56:55 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:56:55 AM

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• @futureisnow Absolutely. There are small infants here, pregnant mothers. They need to be evacuated.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:56:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:56:48 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:56:48 AM
• And like I said, they have multiple readings outside of 30km that read > 100 uSv/hour. At 100 uSv/ hour, that would be 876 mSv/year. After 1 year 1 in 8 young girls (12%) would contract a fatal cancer from this radiation; after 2 years 24%, 3 years 36%, etc.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:56:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:56:15 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:56:15 AM
• @all , hello . For the evacuation, may be Government should consider evacuate places one by one, according to the results of radioactivity : If you look the map, there are places at 30 kms which are 68 uSV/hour, and some at 20 kms which are near "normal" ( 20 x the ordinary 0.16) Problem with an evacuation zone is that it become a no man'sland quickly . But letting people with 68 uSv/hour stay , without giving them a hand to relocate elsewhere, it's criminal, for me...
  by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 9:54:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:54:19 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:54:19 AM
• @borrrden it depend on the radioactiv elements. snow and rain put them on the soil, if it's iodin, it's "ok", the half life is 8 days. if it's cesium, half life is 30 years. So I would evacuate places that show high uSv for several days first, and make appropriate detailed mesure
  by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 9:54:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:54:02 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:54:02 AM
• @you So after 1 year, if this radiation remained constant, 8% of girls < 15 would get a fatal cancer in their lifetime from this radiation. After 2 years, it would be 16%. 3 years, 24%. etc.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:52:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:52:13 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:52:13 AM
• bravenewclimate.com
  by NHK Listener at 3/26/2011 9:50:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:50:57 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:50:57 AM
• @borrrden For iodine especially. But for cesium, even at 5 mSv per year they will have an increased % of cancer.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:50:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:50:38 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:50:38 AM
• @futureisnow That's right. And if that radiation remained constant, according to the EPA, that would be 1 in 12 females < 15 getting fatal cancer, and 1 in 24 boys < 15 getting fatal cancer, sometime in their life from this cancer. Which is why they should evacuate these areas; even if the radiation subsides, how long do people have to sit in it?
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:49:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:49:31 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:49:31 AM
• @futureisnow That assumes it stays at that level for an entire year, which is unlikely.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 9:47:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:47:41 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:47:41 AM
• on the 25, 65 usv at 30 kms from fukushima (point n° 32) www.mext.go.jp This is 569 msv by year ...
  by futureisnow edited by elainekirk at 3/26/2011 9:46:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:46:50 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:46:50 AM
• Here's the link to the EPA document again www.epa.gov . From this you can calculate the % chance of getting cancer as well as fatal cancer for every type of exposure.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:44:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:44:46 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:44:46 AM
• good morning
  by elainekirk at 3/26/2011 9:44:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:44:37 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:44:37 AM
• Nite.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:42:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:42:31 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:42:31 AM
• ok..goin back to bed. thanks and nite/mornin all.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 9:42:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:42:20 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:42:20 AM
• What a crock of spinach! (that last link)
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 9:40:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:40:54 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:40:54 AM
• From that doc you can calculate (according to the EPA) what the % fatality rates I have been posting here. I have just looked up the coefficients, plugged in the measurements, and then extrapolated the time.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:40:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:40:32 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:40:32 AM
• @borrrden Inhalation starts on on p.38. p.100 is where you have coefficients for tap water and food. p.124 is where is has coefficients for submersion (air), ground plane (fallout), and soil. For some you need to calculate both Cesium 137 and Barium 137. Like I said, you plug in the Bq and you get a % fatality for each isotope.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:38:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:38:25 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:38:25 AM
• Japan's nuclear crisis is mainly public panic, not radiation risk: Australian expert news.xinhuanet.com they are partnered with Reuters
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 9:38:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:38:02 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:38:02 AM
• @Jojo I certainly won't argue that it is complex. That's exactly why I'm hesitant to make the calculations you are making.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 9:36:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:36:12 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:36:12 AM
• 

  1800hrs pointscope01.jp

  by NHK Listener via Pointscope01.jp at 3/26/2011 9:36:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:36:03 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:36:03 AM
• @borrrden It's quite a complex process. They have to figure the different rays for each isotope, how far they travel, absorption rates in different organs, cancer % for each, etc.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:35:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:35:10 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:35:10 AM
• @Jojo Ah ha! That is more useful, by the way what page is this stuff on? The document is about 200 pages long -_-;.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 9:34:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:34:58 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:34:58 AM
• @borrrden Well, sure they make assumptions that you don't rub your face in the soil, you walk on it. But if they calculate a certain Bq/kg of soil, you plug in the coefficient for that isotope and then get % /fatality PER SECOND you are in contact with that soil. So you factor in the time you are in contact and you get a fatality %.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:34:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:34:03 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:34:03 AM
• @borrrden In the EPA doc they have different coefficients for soil, air, water, food, etc. You plug in the Bq and you get the % fatality rate. They are standardizing everything to Sv.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:32:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:32:27 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:32:27 AM
• @Jojo so you are saying that if they calculate that number from a soil measurement, it is automatically that number in the entire world? No, I know you aren't, but do you see the point? Let's assume that the number means that is the amount it is emitting. That means you will have to rub your face in that part of the soil to receive that much.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 9:32:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:32:14 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:32:14 AM
• @borrrden It doesn't matter, 103 uSv/hour is irrelevant where it comes from. They already take into account the Sv/hour depending on the element and how it's ingested/inhaled/stepped on. The Sv is a standard dose across all isotopes/methods of contact with the body.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:30:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:30:41 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:30:41 AM
• @borrrden It's the linear no-threshold, it's all over the EPA docs. It states that % chance to die is linear and there is no bottom threshold. Meaning even .0000001 Sv will increase your % chance of cancer.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:28:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:28:49 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:28:49 AM
• Hard to tell when Japan's nuclear crisis would end: Edano english.kyodonews.jp
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 9:28:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:28:49 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:28:49 AM
• @Jojo Didn't we agree before that the explanation of that figure was in question? Why aren't the atmosphere measurements reflecting that same number if that is true?
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 9:28:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:28:24 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:28:24 AM
• @Jojo Do you have any sources that suggest that this is a linear curve?
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 9:27:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:27:47 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:27:47 AM
• @borrrden They are measuring 103 uSv/ hour, it doesn't matter where it comes from.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:27:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:27:35 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:27:35 AM
• eah...I am just imagining all this radioactive snow on the ground.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 9:27:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:27:35 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:27:35 AM
• @Sinthia Domina From what I've read, precipitation will knock radioactive dust particles out of the sky and down onto whatever is below (be it someone's head, water supply, soil, etc).
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 9:26:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:26:53 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:26:53 AM
• @borrrden That's correct, 1% per 100 mSv for getting cancer, and .5% for dying of it. Per Sievert it would be 10% to get cancer, 5% to die from it. But that's everyone. For adult males it's 4%, adult females it's 6.2%, young boys it's 7.2%, young girls it's 14%.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:26:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:26:43 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:26:43 AM
• @NHK - This was a breaking news piece earlier today, not in relation to the water story yesterday (where the 10K number came from). They're correcting a bulletin issued about 1.5 hours ago which said work stopped at #1 due to high radiation.
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 9:26:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:26:39 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:26:39 AM
• I wonder how snow figures into radiation contamination.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 9:25:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:25:53 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:25:53 AM
• @Hank Scorpio I would bet they are going to clarify the 10000 number that is being used.
  by NHK Listener at 3/26/2011 9:25:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:25:19 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:25:19 AM
• @Jojo Once again, you can't assume those levels for that many days, and you can't even assume that soil and plant based measurements are what is being received by the human body.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 9:25:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:25:18 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:25:18 AM
• yes I read that...its not a good enough test site since the subjects will be dispersed.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 9:25:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:25:01 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:25:01 AM
• For that area that is receiving 103 uSv/hour. that works out to 2.472 mSv/day, and let's assume 10 days for 24 mSv. For girls < 15 the chance of getting fatal cancer is 14%/Sv, boys < 15 it's 7.2%. So for 24 mSv, according to the EPA this would be 1 in 297 young girls contracting fatal cancer from this radiation, and 1 out of 578 boys. And it just increases linearly every day. And that is just from air, not counting soil or ingestion of food/water.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:24:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:24:11 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:24:11 AM
• I'm assuming all of you saw the article posted earlier quoting the "expert" who said they won't attempt to track the health implications of this tragedy because it's too complex given the mobility of the evacuees. Interestingly, the Japanese Government is only on the hook for the first billion in liability claims. It behooves both TEPCO and the GOJ to discourage both reporting and results.
  by Bev at 3/26/2011 9:23:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:23:34 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:23:34 AM
• @NHK Listener - Fucking LOOOLLLLLLL. Did they correct it to say "super-Gozirra-high radiation?"
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 9:23:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:23:20 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:23:20 AM
• BREAKING NEWS: TEPCO corrects announcement of high radiation at No. 1 unit of troubled nuke plant kyodo news
  by NHK Listener at 3/26/2011 9:22:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:22:39 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:22:39 AM
• @Jojo The figure I have heard more than once is that 100 mSv in one year will increase the risk of cancer (fatal or non-fatal) by 1%. www.hps.org
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 9:22:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:22:02 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:22:02 AM
• Its like tring to make a copy on a copy machine from a faded page. Each time you copy it it gets harder to read. Thats what the DNA in cells are trying to do...make damaged copies.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 9:21:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:21:56 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:21:56 AM

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• To give you an idea, there is an increased rate of cancer for airline pilots because they receive more cosmic radiation. Kids that get more xrays, uranium miners, x-ray technicians, etc. Even for small doses the chances inch up the more radiation you get. The numbers these people are getting are incredible, every day.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:19:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:19:35 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:19:35 AM
• go to IAEA and search on their site for Chernobyl and read their reports. They say that the increased cancers in the Ukraine can be attributed to alcohol consumption and depressed economic situations.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 9:19:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:19:27 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:19:27 AM
• @Sinthia Domina @Bev Nobody will ever know the true amount. A lot of the records were lost with the USSR breaking up.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 9:18:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:18:03 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:18:03 AM
• @Bev - It's an odd day when we trust the Soviet government over a western agency. All governments lie.
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 9:17:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:17:49 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:17:49 AM
• @Bev Absolute.y 4000 is incredibly ridiculous. They have farms in UK that are still unfarmable because of elevated cesium.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:17:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:17:28 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:17:28 AM
• Thats what I had said earlier Bev
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 9:17:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:17:06 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:17:06 AM
• To get an idea of the IAEA's agenda, look at their official numbers from Chernobyl. 4k dead as a result. Compare that with Russia's own estimate of 40k. And I'm speaking as a proponent of nuclear energy. I just don't believe the IAEA can be trusted to police its own members.
  by Bev at 3/26/2011 9:16:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:16:33 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:16:33 AM
• Back to the EPA/spinach, the 1 out of 4869 is only for iodine. When you add in the Cesium, it's 1 in 808 people that will get fatal cancer from eating 1 kg of spinach. Figure .1 kg /day, after 10 days that will be 1 kg/1 in 808 people. In 100 days it will be 1 in 80 (assuming static radiation levels, but you get the point) that will get fatal cancer. And that isn't including radiation from water, soil, or air. Just spinach.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:16:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:16:15 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:16:15 AM
• I suppose that all of this that we think we know is just hypothesis and speculation and just what they want us to "know", but in bits and pieces intelligent people can figure out some semblance of truth, or the absence of it..
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 9:15:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:15:15 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:15:15 AM
• They absolutely are suppressing this. Take the link about radiation dmage www.nisa.meti.go.jp they are cherry-picking the lowest numbers in the prefecture and completely ignoring the staggering ones.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:14:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:14:00 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:14:00 AM
• @Synthia There were no more details about the testing, that's the crux. It was an official announcement on Kyodo today by the Japanese Government that "all is well, we tested some people. There is no radiation danger here, move along people."
  by Bev at 3/26/2011 9:12:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:12:48 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:12:48 AM
• Thanks, @Hank Scorpio. I'm with you 110%, so they can make that 55 kms.
  > ... I hope that, since they're doing it anyway, they
  > extend it to at least 50km and not just 30.
  by Albert Lee in Manila at 3/26/2011 9:12:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:12:22 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:12:22 AM
• @Hank Scorpio Absolutely.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:11:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:11:46 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:11:46 AM
• For example, they calculate for ingestion, the coefficient is 0.000000000185 Bq/kg. So if the reading is 1110000, then multiplying them gives 0.00020535 fatalities/kg ingested. (1 out of 4869 people). 1 kg is about 10 servings, so figure 10 days of eating this and the EPA estimates that 1 out of 4869 will contract fatal cancer from this exposure.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:11:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:11:30 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:11:30 AM
• well because the media is downplaying the potential severity, and learning from how Governments and corpororation behave from histories examples. Do I know 100%? No...but then I have never seen an atom either, or God for that matter.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 9:10:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:10:58 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:10:58 AM
• yes...I have watched every Chernobyl documentary I could find lately
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 9:08:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:08:51 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:08:51 AM
• @Sinthia Domina And how do you know that it is being suppressed?
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 9:08:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:08:30 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:08:30 AM
• Bev...well I would want to know more details about the testing...I know a lot is being suppressed but I try and remain objective.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 9:07:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:07:53 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:07:53 AM
• @Sinthia Domina - I haven't seen that one. Have you seen Battle of Chernobyl?
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 9:07:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:07:47 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:07:47 AM
• Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency Shows the number of people currently confirmed contaminated and the levels of contamination. www.nisa.meti.go.jp
  by NHK Listener at 3/26/2011 9:07:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:07:16 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:07:16 AM
• @Jojo - I do too. I hope that, since they're doing it anyway, they extend it to at least 50km and not just 30.
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 9:06:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:06:56 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:06:56 AM
• @Hank Scorpio You're probably right. I just hope they do it soon.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:06:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:06:05 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:06:05 AM
• Yeah, and then the Russian physicist killed himself. A good documentary is called "Inside the Sarcophagus". It was only built to last for 30 years and the roof is caving in now.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 9:05:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:05:57 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:05:57 AM
• Sinthia, I simply don't believe the results of those "tests." In fact, I would put money on the report being a complete fabrication. I don't think they tested anyone at all. Everything was completely anonymous so there's no way to verify either the testing or the results. I'm not generally a conspiracy theorist, but the Japanese Government is quickly changing my mind in that regard. I don't believe one single thing they say. In fact, I think the truth can be reached by taking what the Japanese Government says and reversing it 100%.
  by Bev at 3/26/2011 9:04:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:04:58 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:04:58 AM
• @Jojo - Again, it's a Japanese thing. Remember Hiroshima? Remember how it took two bombs to convince them? You have to understand their culture to understand that, to them, extending the zone is an admission of failure.
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 9:04:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:04:26 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:04:26 AM
• @borrrden Granted levels change, but the EPA link calculates the % chance of cancer fatality by exposure of each element. It has coefficients by isotope, ingestion, inhalation, soil, air, etc.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:04:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:04:23 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:04:23 AM
• @Sinthia Domina - Did you know the Soviets estimated 40K dead eventually and the IAEA had a shit fit?
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 9:03:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:03:19 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:03:19 AM
• @Hank Scorpio And let days pass while everyone drinks irradiated water? They haven't evacuated Iitate Village, just asked them not to eat spinach.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:03:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:03:10 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:03:10 AM
• @Jojo It is not just simple arithmetic, it is complicated by an unimaginable number of factors. Not the least of which is those levels are never the same for more than a few minutes.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 9:02:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:02:57 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:02:57 AM
• @borrrden We have access to the radiation data, and we have access to the EPA and estimated fatal cancer risks for exposure to each element. www.epa.gov It's simple arithmetic.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:02:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:02:06 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:02:06 AM
• NEWS ADVISORY: Lighting restored in control room for Fukushima plant No. 2 reactorNote
  by NHK Listener at 3/26/2011 9:01:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:01:50 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:01:50 AM
• Those are good points Albert, and many are elderly or bed ridden and cannot voluntarily leave.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 9:01:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:01:49 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:01:49 AM
• I, for one, would go for evacuation ASAP. But are the roads in good enough shape so as not to stall massive turnover of traffic? Do they have adequately shielded vehicles for the elderly and the children and women? Are the receiving places adequately prepped to receive these thousands upon thousands of displaced people? Perhaps, for all we know, it's not as simple as pressing the scram button. The bigger sin might be biting off more than we could chew.
  by Albert Lee in Manila at 3/26/2011 9:00:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:00:46 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:00:46 AM
• and these people will all be dispersed so no way to prove it was contamination, just like the IAEA says only 4000 people have or will ever die from Chernobl.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 9:00:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:00:45 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:00:45 AM
• @Jojo - They will force it later. They "suggest" it first to get those who are on the fence about leaving to leave. Then they announce it and send in a massive evacuation force to get the rest. I think they believe it will be more orderly that way.
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 9:00:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:00:37 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:00:37 AM
• @Sin You're right. Most of these cancers will happen years from now, maybe NPR will do a story on it and that's it. But what is the point of the Japanese gov't. to make them suffer? Sentence people to a painful cancer death to save a few points of the Nikkei for a few days?
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:00:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:00:30 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:00:30 AM
• @Jojo Please be careful not to state your opinions as facts. None of us are experts or have access to firsthand information as to what is going on. That is why we are here right?
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 8:59:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:59:41 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:59:41 AM
• @Hank Scorpio And why force the 20 km evacuation and not further? There are little babies that are getting irradiated every day, for what?
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:59:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:59:13 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:59:13 AM
• I did read that...but in that their no immediate concern is that it will be years before the thyroid cancers and the heart problems crop up.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 8:59:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:59:00 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:59:00 AM
• I have done a lot of research on radiation lately. I was in healthcare for awhile....I know exactly what will happen.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 8:57:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:57:55 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:57:55 AM
• Ah, I see you missed the official news. Japan, in her overcautiousness tested a large number of adults and children who were presiding within the 20km zone. Amazing, the results were completely clean. Not one child or adult showed increased levels of iodine in the thyroid. Thank you for tuning in to Radio Japan. /sarcasm off
  by Bev at 3/26/2011 8:57:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:57:46 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:57:46 AM
• @Sin I don't know what it is, I think the gov't, is afraid of panic, or is kowtowing to TEPCO, or is just incompetent/stubborn. It's literally killing people every day they don't act.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:57:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:57:36 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:57:36 AM
• @Sin They need to evacuate these people. They are getting massively irradiated. They need to get the military and put them away from the radiation. Young kids are especially prone to getting FATAL cancer from radiation, much more so than adults.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:56:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:56:22 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:56:22 AM
• @Jojo - It's a Japanese thing. They beat around the bush and say things indirectly.
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 8:56:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:56:06 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:56:06 AM
• @ Sinthia Domina - I think to some degree it's politics, though mainly to prevent a panic in the stock markets.
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 8:55:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:55:40 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:55:40 AM

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• as in not to be seen as disrespecting the Japanese government by telling them what to do...or is it economics cause Japan is the worlds third largest economy?
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 8:55:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:55:37 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:55:37 AM
• @Hank Scorpio WTF is up with a suggestion? Is it safe or not? If it's safe, why ask me to leave? If it's not safe, why not require everyone to leave? It's like a fireman going into a burning building but the people in a room don't know it's burning, and he says "do you mind leaving. No reason, just if you feel like it". ???
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:55:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:55:23 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:55:23 AM
• Is is politics you think?
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 8:54:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:54:19 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:54:19 AM
• and they would need to have people going out in the snow to evacuate and be further contaminated.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 8:53:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:53:58 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:53:58 AM
• @Sinthia Domina - I interpreted the "suggestion" as double-speak for GTFO without inducing panic. I think they should've done that a week ago.
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 8:53:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:53:52 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:53:52 AM
• @Sin Iitate Village (that have these huge numbers), is 40 (!) km from the plant. I have seen isolated elevated numbers 75 km from the plant. They need to immediately check every town and FORCE evacuations. Otherwise you're just sentencing them to a death by cancer. Even the kids.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:53:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:53:16 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:53:16 AM
• So do you all believe that the evacuation zone be expanded? Last I heard there was still 10,000 people in the 20-30km zone. I bet a lot have voluntarily left by now...if they can anyway. This is very very alarming and will have wide spread effects.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 8:51:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:51:49 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:51:49 AM
• @borrrden They also are a big health concern now, esp. the elevated Iodine levels. Iitate Village is getting considerable radiation just from having 1170000 Bq of Iodine and 163000 Bq of Cesium / kg in their soil. It's not as much Sv as eating food/drinking water, but you're going to have SOME people that will drink the water, or in the shower, brushing your teeth, whatever. Kids in that town are going to drink from the tap, etc. And are they going to give bottled water to their dog forever? And you're going to get Sv every second that you are around the radiation in the soil, and these radiation readings are INCREASING. I don't know why they don't evacuate.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:51:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:51:46 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:51:46 AM
• In Kawamata Town the soil readings are 151,000 Bq of Iodine, 15,100 Bq of Cesium. Minamisouma City has 4850 Bq/Kg of cesium. Iwaki city has 1220 Bq /kg.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:48:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:48:19 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:48:19 AM
• @Jojo Yes, on that point I completely agree. Those high soil levels have a very good chance of severely damaging the region ecologically and economically for years to come. Probably fair to say over 100 years (there are unknown factors, such as crops that are resilient to uptake of cesium, advancements in the field of nuclear science allowing us to clean the soil somehow, etc). That is a secondary priority though, the first priority is of course the health and safety of all the residents.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 8:48:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:48:11 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:48:11 AM
• Hi guys, up again for a few minutes with those Japenese travelers who flew from Tokyo to China on my mind. Any recent news of how they received such dangerously high levels of radiation without being within 240km of the plant?
  by Bev at 3/26/2011 8:47:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:47:08 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:47:08 AM
• @borrrden Yes, the news report is on soil. Which are still incredibly huge. The 1,500,000 bq /kg is what they measured the other day on spinach. Same town, one was soil, this is spinach. With soil measurements of 163,000 Bq/kg, it will be difficult to grow anything in that town for a long time.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:45:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:45:36 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:45:36 AM
• @Jojo The article also says it is a soil measurement and not a plant measurement. The report I heard was also that those were soil measurements. If that is the case (it might not be) then it is still serious, but not as serious as those levels being directly measured from spinach.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 8:42:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:42:51 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:42:51 AM
• @borrrden Thankfully. But again how much of it was happily consumed by residents BEFORE they banned it? And there is no way to get such high numbers on spinach w/o having high numbers in the air/soil.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:42:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:42:41 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:42:41 AM
• oops link sorry: english.kyodonews.jp
  by sgl at 3/26/2011 8:42:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:42:31 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:42:31 AM
• NEWS ADVISORY: High radiation suspends work to fix Fukushima plant's No. 1 reactor
  by sgl at 3/26/2011 8:42:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:42:08 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:42:08 AM
• @Sin They are not a big deal in the media. Look at where I found the info: english.kyodonews.jp Can you find it? it's at the BOTTOM OF THE ARTICLE that talks about Tokyo drinking water. And the last paragraph is like ho hum oh by the way we found 1,500,000 Bq of cesium in some spinach!
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:40:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:40:12 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:40:12 AM
• Seems like the largest amount I had seen in the media was the plant in Tokyo at the research facility.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 8:39:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:39:39 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:39:39 AM
• @Jojo See page 9 of this document that states the actions being taken in response to those findings. www.wpro.who.int
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 8:39:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:39:33 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:39:33 AM
• @Sinthia Domina I remember seeing those numbers reported on NHK.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 8:38:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:38:04 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:38:04 AM
• @Sin I don't either. These are absolutely crushing radiation numbers, every time they eat this stuff it's dangerous. And that doesn't even account for the water, air, soil, milk, etc. in the area.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:38:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:38:01 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:38:01 AM
• And as far as I know, these amounts are not a big deal in the media anywhere are they?
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 8:37:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:37:25 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:37:25 AM
• @borrrden Got it, thanks. Those are HUGE numbers, 3000 x the limit for cesium alone. 3000 x the limit.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:36:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:36:40 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:36:40 AM
• *correction boron to japan
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 8:36:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:36:19 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:36:19 AM
• yes Jojo...i don't think you are being an alarmist. I just don't know wh they haven't increased the evacuation zone. Google born to japan and Boric acid to japan and see the massive amounts being sent from all over the world.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 8:35:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:35:52 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:35:52 AM
• Sorry, here is the link to the article that states those limits. english.kyodonews.jp
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 8:34:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:34:49 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:34:49 AM
• @Jojo Food is different, 2000 per kg for iodine and 500 for cesium, but the point remains the same.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 8:34:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:34:27 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:34:27 AM
• @borrrden I think you can. Water would be measured at Sv / L, meaning you drink 1 L you get x Sv. For food it should be Sv /kg: eat 1 kg, get x Sv.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:34:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:34:12 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:34:12 AM
• @Sin So you see that they are measuring spinach at 1,110,000 Bq/kg of Iodine, and 1,500,000 Bq/kg of Cesium. The upper limit in Japan for Iodine is 300 Bq/kg, the upper limit for Cesium is 200 Bq/kg. That's pretty jaw-dropping. These compare to the maximums seen after Chernobyl, if not higher.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:33:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:33:19 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:33:19 AM
• they used it all already
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 8:31:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:31:55 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:31:55 AM
• I suppose a better term would be "stopping." There is nothing that simply stops decay heat from occurring, correct?
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 8:31:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:31:54 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:31:54 AM
• @Jojo uSv per kg is never a valid measurement. What I was thinking was that once inside, you would receive that much internally per hour.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 8:31:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:31:52 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:31:52 AM
• RE: Becca's question - Do any of you understand boric acid to be effective in removing decay heat? My understanding is that it is simply a fission-prevention method, not a way of stopping decay heat. If that were the case, wouldn't they just keep enough on hand to stop the reactors?
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 8:31:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:31:28 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:31:28 AM
• eah...I got it now. It is even more of a coverup than I thought.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 8:31:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:31:11 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:31:11 AM
• @borrrden I don't see why they would put that in uSv/ hour. For food it should be in uSv/ kg or something(?)
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:31:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:31:02 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:31:02 AM
• @Sin Even though those numbers are (comparatively) low of .132 mSv/day, after 10 days you would experience 1.32 mSv. EPA sets an upper limit of 1 mSv for the general public for the year.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:30:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:30:24 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:30:24 AM
• Wow. I bet most people do not know what the hell any of this means.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 8:30:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:30:19 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:30:19 AM
• @Jojo Another possible interpretation would be the amount received if ingested, no?
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 8:29:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:29:56 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:29:56 AM
• And the uSv reading next to the spinach must be for the air/soil, not ingesting the spinach itself because it's measured per hour.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:28:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:28:51 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:28:51 AM
• @Sin Check out the top of p.3 for some eye-popping numbers.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:27:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:27:12 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:27:12 AM
• yes Bq/m3 on iodine 131 45 kilometers away is 4.0.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 8:26:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:26:20 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:26:20 AM
• @Sin The 1st reading it measuring the concentration of Iodine (I) and Cesium (Cs) in the air. They are measuring 4.0 bq/cubic meter of Iodine, and 1.2 of Cesium. The "reading" column is the actual radiation your body would absorb, which is 5.5 micro Sv /hour (uSv). So in 1 day you would experience 132 uSv, which is just 0.132 mSv /day.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:26:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:26:08 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:26:08 AM
• www3.nhk.or.jp Some kind of international conference on NHK now (in Singapore)
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 8:25:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:25:58 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:25:58 AM
• Lots of places sending boric acid too..Diablo reactor in US for one.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 8:24:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:24:45 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:24:45 AM
• @Sinthia Domina Which first entry are you referring to? Do you mean how to read the first page?
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 8:24:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:24:29 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:24:29 AM

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• My understanding was you need both Boron-10 AND boric Acid to create the poison for the Decay heat. Unless you have the other product Polybor which only requires water. Not that 156.2 tons will get them to 700 ppm in all reactors and pools. Please let me know if I miss read the white paper. I have no knowledge of nuclear physics except what I picked up lurking in the last 2 weeks. I can ask Dean later today as well. Becca
  by Becca at 3/26/2011 8:23:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:23:21 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:23:21 AM
• Jojo I am looking at this www.mext.go.jp can you explain just the first entry so that I can figure out the conversion myself?
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 8:22:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:22:46 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:22:46 AM
• We're still seeing massive radiation in the soil/air/plants outside of the evacuation zone. 25 Km South it is 69,000 Bq/kg of Iodine, 2600 Bq/kg of cesium. 30 km NW it's 200,000 bq of iodine and 45000 bq of Cesium. 11000/3300, 33000/8600, 70000/12000, ...
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:20:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:20:38 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:20:38 AM
• Does anybody here live in Saitama like me? Until recently they were only publishing drinking water levels for one plant, but now they are providing data for all the plants in the prefecture (including mine, Gyoda city plant). Sorry, but it is in Japanese. www.pref.saitama.lg.jp
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 8:19:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:19:03 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:19:03 AM
• @borrrden Ok. Thanks.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:17:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:17:01 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:17:01 AM
• @Jojo What I gathered was that they were not (are still not?) performing those measures at the time, for whatever reason. I am not saying that all plants do it all the time, I'm just saying it is possible to do so.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 8:16:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:16:32 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:16:32 AM
• apologies, Reuters still in hiatus.
  by GeorgieAussie at 3/26/2011 8:16:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:16:31 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:16:31 AM
• @borrrden So why has the Japanese gov't told various cities (incl Tokyo at one point) to not drink the tap water?
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:15:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:15:13 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:15:13 AM
• @Jojo Radioactive particles are no different than any other particles aside from a few minor internal differences, they can be filtered. chemistry.about.com
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 8:13:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:13:51 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:13:51 AM
• France and S. Korea and the US is sending large amounts of boron to japan.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 8:13:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:13:48 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:13:48 AM
• I've been thinking something like this would happen for the past 3 days. I think it will continue to get worse.
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 8:13:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:13:42 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:13:42 AM
• NEWS ADVISORY: High radiation suspends work to fix Fukushima plant's No. 1 reactor - Kyodo
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 8:13:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:13:18 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:13:18 AM
• For the last reading (again for Iitate Village) for soil, the Iodine reading was 1,170,000 Bq /kg of Iodine, and 163,000 Bq/Kg of Cesium. How does that number compare to Chernobyl?
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:13:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:13:08 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:13:08 AM
• Reuters Live Earthquake Blog Back online
  by GeorgieAussie at 3/26/2011 8:12:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:12:56 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:12:56 AM
• Meh. I'm retarded I think. :)
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 8:12:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:12:18 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:12:18 AM
• @Becca - The boric acid acts to stop the neutrons like the control rods. The problem isn't fission, only decay heat. The reactors need a consistent supply of water to bring the temperature down and keep them cool. Anyone feel free to correct me if I misunderstand this part.
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 8:11:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:11:06 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:11:06 AM
• @borrrden Plants would have active countermeasures to radiation? What I'm saying is that these high readings across the soil and rain/pond water, how can there be such a low drinking water number?
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:11:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:11:02 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:11:02 AM
• @Sin Those are good numbers, but they directly contradict the numbers being released from the Japanese Ministry of Science. For example, 30 km NW of the plant the DOE shows low radiation, while Jpan has it at over 100 uSv/ hour (that would be in red).
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:09:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:09:39 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:09:39 AM
• @Jojo You would have to take into account the proximities of those locations to the treatment plants, along with any countermeasures the plant itself might be taking (activated charcoal, for example). So, while it is a legitimate concern, we here cannot make any reasonable conclusions from that data alone.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 8:09:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:09:08 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:09:08 AM
• @you For example in Ono Town, Iodine of 7400 Bq /l, Cesium of 107 Bq /L in rain water.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:06:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:06:58 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:06:58 AM
• @anyone Had 2 questions about the comment regarding fresh water in the reactors. 1 Why would they just be using Boric Acid in number two reactor? From the white papers someone (?Dean?) showed us the other day, it looks like you need both Boron-10 mixed with Boric Acid or a product called Polybor which only needs mixing with water? #2 Why wouldn't they use it in number 3 reactor since it's the MOX fuel core. I wonder if the Fukushima and Peachtree reactors are close in size? Would appreciate any thoughts, I've got about 10 min left before sleep wins. Thanks, Becca
  by Becca at 3/26/2011 8:06:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:06:40 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:06:40 AM
• I think the biota has got to play a large role in what we're seeing. The speed at which isotopes were taken up into plant tissue, I think, surprised many people. The other shoe will drop when it's found in animals.
  by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 8:06:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:06:34 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:06:34 AM
• Couldn't sleep...can you guys help me understand the DOE's findings? blog.energy.gov
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 8:06:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:06:16 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:06:16 AM
• @borrrden Same PDF, there are sections that cover water with elevated radiation levels. Granted some of them are ponds/rain water, but how much of that is going to eventually seep into the drinking water? I don't believe they have covered their drinking water sources with tarps.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:05:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:05:53 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:05:53 AM
• Just a quick reminder, for those who wish to contribute to a list of useful links that George Gibb can build into a sidebar widget thingy. Thanks. Keep rocking. ---> www.goo.gl
  by Albert Lee in Manila at 3/26/2011 8:05:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:05:36 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:05:36 AM
• Update on drinking water situation from the World Health Organization. www.who.int
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 8:03:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:03:06 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:03:06 AM
• And yes, I would assume that rain would indeed move accumulated surface radiation to the soil from the vegetation.
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 8:01:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:01:04 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:01:04 AM
• @Jojo That question's answer can only be theorized by an expert, I would imagine.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 8:00:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:00:17 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:00:17 AM
• @Jojo - They're measuring different samples. I don't believe they're hitting the exact same spot within inches for every measurement. I could be wrong though.
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 7:59:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:59:49 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:59:49 AM
• @Hank Scorpio How are the Iodine/Cesium levels on food changing up/down so rapidly? Is that rainwater sloughing off excess radiation?
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:59:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:59:04 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:59:04 AM
• @borrrden - Sorry, brain fart. You are correct.
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 7:58:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:58:27 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:58:27 AM
• Thanks, @borrrden. You should be correct on that one, assuming, that is, that absolutely no new radioiodine was being produced since.
  > ... It has been 15 days since the reactors shut down. That means within the next few days the amount
  > of I-131 should be around 1/4 of the original amount, right? --> by borrrden
  by Albert Lee in Manila at 3/26/2011 7:58:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:58:22 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:58:22 AM
• Well, sure, there were hotspots with Chernobyl as well. The problem is that they aren't doing widespread measurements, but the ones they are doing do not bode well.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:57:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:57:56 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:57:56 AM
• 

  @Hank Scorpio If it were a straight line it would be 0 after 2 half lives. I am saying it is going to be 1/4 after 2 half lives (half of half). www2.slac.stanford.edu

  by borrrden via Www2.slac.stanford.edu at 3/26/2011 7:57:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:57:36 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:57:36 AM
• @Jojo - I agree there are some hotspots. We won't know the full effect until it's all over. So far, the data I see suggests hotspots only, but that's because winds have been favorable.
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 7:57:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:57:12 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:57:12 AM
• @Hank Scorpio How are they measuring air and food samples?
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:56:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:56:38 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:56:38 AM
• @borrrden - No. The dissipation is not a straight line. Half-life can't be doubled to indicate full removal.
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 7:56:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:56:22 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:56:22 AM
• @Hank Scorpio That's why it's so problematic. They are finding 1,500,000 Bq /kg of CESIUM on spinach in Iitate Village. 40 km NW of the plant.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:56:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:56:08 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:56:08 AM
• @Jojo Yeah....because things tend to break when you throw them around
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 7:55:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:55:46 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:55:46 AM
• @Jojo - The roads are damaged and its an exclusion zone. I think that's what they might mean.
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 7:55:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:55:34 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:55:34 AM
• @Hank Scorpio Actually that is one of the points I wanted to touch on. It has been 15 days since the reactors shut down. That means within the next few days the amount of I-131 should be around 1/4 of the original amount, right?
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 7:55:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:55:16 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:55:16 AM
• They don't even give fallout #s for the entire Miyagi/Fukushima prefectures. On the PDF it says "Not be measured because of the earthquake disaster damage". I kid you not.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:54:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:54:39 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:54:39 AM
• @borrrden - No, you wouldn't receive the full dose to the body, and we also need to consider that I-131 makes up a large part of that dose. The half life of I-131 is just over a week, and it will fully dissipate in a matter of months. How that would change the uSv/hr exactly I don't know, but it would affect it significantly. The remaining C-137, however, would present problems if the soil were used to grow food.
  by Hank Scorpio at 3/26/2011 7:53:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:53:45 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:53:45 AM
• @borrrden The 103 is the same 103 I mentioned before. It's a lot easier if you download the PDFs, they map out the Sv by distance.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:52:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:52:29 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:52:29 AM
• Also got a reading of 106 uSv/hour 25 km North of the plant.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:51:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:51:22 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:51:22 AM

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• effectively*
  by ids at 3/26/2011 7:24:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:24:38 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:24:38 AM
• Edano again asking TEPCO to deliver information more effectivly
  by ids at 3/26/2011 7:24:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:24:28 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:24:28 AM
• @Jojo "may have, according to a computer simulation, in the event that they spent an entire day outdoors." Don't reword things.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 7:22:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:22:55 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:22:55 AM
• Here's the link english.kyodonews.jp showing infants have been exposed to 100 mSv "over 30 km" from Fukushima. And that was 100 mSv on Wed.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:21:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:21:37 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:21:37 AM
• So it appears gov is "taking control" of situation at NPP
  by ids at 3/26/2011 7:21:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:21:11 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:21:11 AM
• Sorry hes also overseeing the situation at the NPP
  by ids at 3/26/2011 7:20:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:20:24 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:20:24 AM
• Check out the data yourself. Go here www.mext.go.jp , click on today's data, go to p.3. See the Bq /kg for leaf vegetable for Iitate Village, 40 km NW of the plant, at : 1,110,000 Bq/kg for Iodine. 1,500,000 Bq/kg for cesium. Read the rest of the numbers and then tell me that there is no current radiation problem.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:20:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:20:06 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:20:06 AM
• just announcing a new assistant to PM
  by ids at 3/26/2011 7:19:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:19:47 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:19:47 AM
• Edano on NHK now
  by ids at 3/26/2011 7:19:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:19:33 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:19:33 AM
• We probably haven't been found yet. Might call this the Golden Age.
  by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 7:18:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:18:53 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:18:53 AM
• @borrrden All the riff-raff come out, eh? ;)
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:16:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:16:47 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:16:47 AM
• @Sin That's when you need to worry, when they say nothing.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:15:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:15:42 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:15:42 AM
• Now we see what this blog is like with no moderation.....*sigh*
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 7:15:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:15:39 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:15:39 AM
• @Sin You can see the (lack) of coverage on every news outlet. "not a big deal", "we get plenty of background radiation", etc. I just saw the stats from the Japanese ministry of science, measurements 30km from the plan show HUGE radiation levels (1,100,000 Bq /kg of Iodine!).
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:15:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:15:00 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:15:00 AM
• I guess we shall see how it plays out...but I,m off to bed. Thanks, and have a good nite everyone.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 7:14:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:14:29 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:14:29 AM
• A world Government crisis...hell maybe they planned it
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 7:12:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:12:51 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:12:51 AM
• You can call me Sin...I agree...the are making conspiracy theorists out of us all. Plus that unprecedented UN meeting about the crisis they had today...not a word about it.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 7:11:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:11:36 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:11:36 AM
• Iodine is the short-term problem. But that has a half-life of 8 days. Cesium is the big problem, because it has a half-life of 30 years.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:11:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:11:07 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:11:07 AM
• @Sinthia Domina That must be it, because you can see an almost total media blackout on one of the largest disasters in history. It's not just the workers that will get fatal cancer, areas of Japan will be uninhabitable for over a century because of Cesium. Lots of people will get cancer, babies will be born with birth defects. Very tragic situation, and the Japanese gov't. is actively hiding the truth.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:09:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:09:00 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:09:00 AM
• Thanks Jojo. I think this is all based on our global economy, this cover-up. If Japans economy collapses, which if the truth comes out it will, the US might also....
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 7:07:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:07:00 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:07:00 AM
• We need to get those links together of the charts and things. Guess that's the big thing tomorrow.
  by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 7:05:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:05:24 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:05:24 AM
• @you That should be "infant girls a 1 in 76 chance". Very sad, and the radiation is continuing.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:05:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:05:06 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:05:06 AM
• @Sinthia Domina Yes, that's true. If it's alpha radiation, then it's 20 Greys = 1 Sv. But for all others, 1 Gy = 1 Sv. The trick is when they say becquerels (Bq). There are formulas to translate Bq to Sv, but you have to know which element, if it's in the air/water/food/soil, and how long you're exposed to calculate the Sv.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:04:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:04:17 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:04:17 AM
• I see...I guess I was making it more complicated.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 7:03:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:03:42 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:03:42 AM
• The Sievert is supposed to be a standard of how harmful the radiation is, regardless of the radiation. We have a 5% chance of getting fatal cancer for each Sv, regardless of the element, or if we breathe it, drink it, etc. 1 Sv = 5% chance.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:02:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:02:49 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:02:49 AM
• I understand that jojo, but do they not also have different factors depending upon the type such as gamma, or bets? Often they do not mention any of that the just say x millisievert of radiation.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 7:02:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:02:16 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:02:16 AM
• I think the possible crack that the anonymous witness stated is probably true. A Japanese scientist, also off the record, said that the water could not get that "hot" (radioactive), unless it was in contact with the core.
  by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 7:01:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:01:17 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:01:17 AM
• 1 in 76 infant girls, 1 in 138 infant boys, will develop fatal cancer from radiation in areas outside 30km libradex.com This is a very disturbing link that shows that the Japanese gov'.t has already admitted INFANTS have received > 100 mSv of radiation. For any infant boys, this would mean they have a 1 in 138 chance of getting fatal cancer from this at some point in their life, and for infant boys a 1 in 76 chance.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:01:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:01:11 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:01:11 AM
• SIGH. I'm tired. is 2am and I need sleep. LOL. So very glad to see you all again and to discuss this all again. Thank you all... I feel like we have become friends and I look forward to reading and discussig this with you all again soon. Be well, dear friends.
  by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 6:59:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:59:31 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:59:31 AM
• @Sinthia Domina You're right, men, women, and children all have different reactions to a "Sv". But 1 Sv of Iodine = 1 Sv of Cesium = 1 Sv of Plutonium, even though they all have different radiation levels.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 6:59:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:59:27 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:59:27 AM
• not the system, just how its being reported.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 6:59:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:59:12 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:59:12 AM
• @Meretisa Yes, that's right. 1000 microSv (uSv) = 1 milliSv (mSv). 1000 mSv = 1 Sv. So if you see mSv divide by 1000 to get Sv. If you see microSv divide by 1,000,000 to get Sv.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 6:58:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:58:24 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:58:24 AM
• but when the say there was x amount millisieverts of iodine 131, unless we know who receives the dose and what part of their body the received it to...what do we really know? Just seems vague to me with unknown factors. en.wikipedia.org
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 6:58:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:58:10 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:58:10 AM
• @George Gibb Night. Sleep well. Thank you so much. Can you make more than one person moderators so we can get new people on easier?
  by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 6:57:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:57:41 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:57:41 AM
• @Jojo I thought that mSv was millisievert and uSv was microsievert?? so confusing.
  by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 6:57:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:57:09 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:57:09 AM
• I'm off to bed - please refer to pinned message so new people don't get discouraged waiting for thier initial post. Thanks all
  by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 6:56:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:56:38 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:56:38 AM
• @Meretisa The Wikipedia link matches the Reuters story. For the Wikipedia table 1-2 Sieverts the fatality is 5% (should be 5% for 1Sv, 10% for 2 Sv). For the Reuters story they are talking about microsieverts so you divide by 1000 to get siverts. So when they are talking about 1000 mSv that is 1 Sv in Wikipedia. 5000 mSv would be 5 Sv, etc.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 6:56:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:56:26 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:56:26 AM
• @Jim- yeah. I worry about that too... I worry also that Japan will die... most all of it. I worry that we are not being told. Mostly I worry that it is out of control and what global outcome will be. I try not to think of this much since it is very troubling. All I know... is that deep in my heart I tremble when I hear the words Japan, Fukushima, etc...and I know that something horrible has/is happening.
  by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 6:56:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:56:11 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:56:11 AM
• @Meretisa, try this link for comparison www.epa.gov dose in rem. 10msv = 1 rem rad.dose equiv. Becca
  by Becca at 3/26/2011 6:53:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:53:38 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:53:38 AM
• @Sinthia Domina Sievert is equal to Grey, except for different types of radiation. For gamma radiation, 1 Gy = 1 Sv. A Sievert measures a "dose" for your body, it's a standard unit of mesaurement that takes into account what element you are exposed to.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 6:53:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:53:32 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:53:32 AM
• Long term poisoning of land and sea.
  by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 6:53:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:53:29 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:53:29 AM
• @Jim- what scares you??
  by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 6:52:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:52:43 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:52:43 AM
• Sinthia- yeah. that is part of the problem too. there are so many factors, no hard facts to cover everyone.
  by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 6:52:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:52:32 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:52:32 AM
• @Meretisa Sorry, I was mixed up. The risk to get fatal cancer is 5% / Sv. It's .05% for 100 mSv (.1 Sv). I was thinking about the 100 Msv that everyone has been talking about.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 6:52:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:52:09 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:52:09 AM
• @Meretisa I really think it might be political. They really have strong ties to business and maybe the tone of this groups comments was a little scary to them. That's not what scares me btw.
  by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 6:51:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:51:55 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:51:55 AM

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• effectively*
  by ids at 3/26/2011 7:24:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:24:38 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:24:38 AM
• Edano again asking TEPCO to deliver information more effectivly
  by ids at 3/26/2011 7:24:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:24:28 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:24:28 AM
• @Jojo "may have, according to a computer simulation, in the event that they spent an entire day outdoors." Don't reword things.
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 7:22:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:22:55 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:22:55 AM
• Here's the link english.kyodonews.jp showing infants have been exposed to 100 mSv "over 30 km" from Fukushima. And that was 100 mSv on Wed.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:21:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:21:37 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:21:37 AM
• So it appears gov is "taking control" of situation at NPP
  by ids at 3/26/2011 7:21:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:21:11 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:21:11 AM
• Sorry hes also overseeing the situation at the NPP
  by ids at 3/26/2011 7:20:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:20:24 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:20:24 AM
• Check out the data yourself. Go here www.mext.go.jp , click on today's data, go to p.3. See the Bq /kg for leaf vegetable for Iitate Village, 40 km NW of the plant, at : 1,110,000 Bq/kg for Iodine. 1,500,000 Bq/kg for cesium. Read the rest of the numbers and then tell me that there is no current radiation problem.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:20:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:20:06 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:20:06 AM
• just announcing a new assistant to PM
  by ids at 3/26/2011 7:19:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:19:47 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:19:47 AM
• Edano on NHK now
  by ids at 3/26/2011 7:19:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:19:33 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:19:33 AM
• We probably haven't been found yet. Might call this the Golden Age.
  by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 7:18:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:18:53 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:18:53 AM
• @borrrden All the riff-raff come out, eh? ;)
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:16:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:16:47 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:16:47 AM
• @Sin That's when you need to worry, when they say nothing.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:15:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:15:42 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:15:42 AM
• Now we see what this blog is like with no moderation.....*sigh*
  by borrrden at 3/26/2011 7:15:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:15:39 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:15:39 AM
• @Sin You can see the (lack) of coverage on every news outlet. "not a big deal", "we get plenty of background radiation", etc. I just saw the stats from the Japanese ministry of science, measurements 30km from the plan show HUGE radiation levels (1,100,000 Bq /kg of Iodine!).
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:15:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:15:00 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:15:00 AM
• I guess we shall see how it plays out...but I,m off to bed. Thanks, and have a good nite everyone.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 7:14:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:14:29 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:14:29 AM
• A world Government crisis...hell maybe they planned it
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 7:12:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:12:51 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:12:51 AM
• You can call me Sin...I agree...the are making conspiracy theorists out of us all. Plus that unprecedented UN meeting about the crisis they had today...not a word about it.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 7:11:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:11:36 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:11:36 AM
• Iodine is the short-term problem. But that has a half-life of 8 days. Cesium is the big problem, because it has a half-life of 30 years.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:11:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:11:07 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:11:07 AM
• @Sinthia Domina That must be it, because you can see an almost total media blackout on one of the largest disasters in history. It's not just the workers that will get fatal cancer, areas of Japan will be uninhabitable for over a century because of Cesium. Lots of people will get cancer, babies will be born with birth defects. Very tragic situation, and the Japanese gov't. is actively hiding the truth.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:09:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:09:00 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:09:00 AM
• Thanks Jojo. I think this is all based on our global economy, this cover-up. If Japans economy collapses, which if the truth comes out it will, the US might also....
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 7:07:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:07:00 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:07:00 AM
• We need to get those links together of the charts and things. Guess that's the big thing tomorrow.
  by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 7:05:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:05:24 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:05:24 AM
• @you That should be "infant girls a 1 in 76 chance". Very sad, and the radiation is continuing.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:05:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:05:06 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:05:06 AM
• @Sinthia Domina Yes, that's true. If it's alpha radiation, then it's 20 Greys = 1 Sv. But for all others, 1 Gy = 1 Sv. The trick is when they say becquerels (Bq). There are formulas to translate Bq to Sv, but you have to know which element, if it's in the air/water/food/soil, and how long you're exposed to calculate the Sv.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:04:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:04:17 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:04:17 AM
• I see...I guess I was making it more complicated.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 7:03:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:03:42 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:03:42 AM
• The Sievert is supposed to be a standard of how harmful the radiation is, regardless of the radiation. We have a 5% chance of getting fatal cancer for each Sv, regardless of the element, or if we breathe it, drink it, etc. 1 Sv = 5% chance.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:02:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:02:49 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:02:49 AM
• I understand that jojo, but do they not also have different factors depending upon the type such as gamma, or bets? Often they do not mention any of that the just say x millisievert of radiation.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 7:02:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:02:16 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:02:16 AM
• I think the possible crack that the anonymous witness stated is probably true. A Japanese scientist, also off the record, said that the water could not get that "hot" (radioactive), unless it was in contact with the core.
  by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 7:01:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:01:17 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:01:17 AM
• 1 in 76 infant girls, 1 in 138 infant boys, will develop fatal cancer from radiation in areas outside 30km libradex.com This is a very disturbing link that shows that the Japanese gov'.t has already admitted INFANTS have received > 100 mSv of radiation. For any infant boys, this would mean they have a 1 in 138 chance of getting fatal cancer from this at some point in their life, and for infant boys a 1 in 76 chance.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:01:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:01:11 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:01:11 AM
• SIGH. I'm tired. is 2am and I need sleep. LOL. So very glad to see you all again and to discuss this all again. Thank you all... I feel like we have become friends and I look forward to reading and discussig this with you all again soon. Be well, dear friends.
  by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 6:59:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:59:31 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:59:31 AM
• @Sinthia Domina You're right, men, women, and children all have different reactions to a "Sv". But 1 Sv of Iodine = 1 Sv of Cesium = 1 Sv of Plutonium, even though they all have different radiation levels.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 6:59:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:59:27 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:59:27 AM
• not the system, just how its being reported.
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 6:59:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:59:12 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:59:12 AM
• @Meretisa Yes, that's right. 1000 microSv (uSv) = 1 milliSv (mSv). 1000 mSv = 1 Sv. So if you see mSv divide by 1000 to get Sv. If you see microSv divide by 1,000,000 to get Sv.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 6:58:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:58:24 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:58:24 AM
• but when the say there was x amount millisieverts of iodine 131, unless we know who receives the dose and what part of their body the received it to...what do we really know? Just seems vague to me with unknown factors. en.wikipedia.org
  by Sinthia Domina at 3/26/2011 6:58:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:58:10 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:58:10 AM
• @George Gibb Night. Sleep well. Thank you so much. Can you make more than one person moderators so we can get new people on easier?
  by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 6:57:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:57:41 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:57:41 AM
• @Jojo I thought that mSv was millisievert and uSv was microsievert?? so confusing.
  by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 6:57:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:57:09 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:57:09 AM
• I'm off to bed - please refer to pinned message so new people don't get discouraged waiting for thier initial post. Thanks all
  by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 6:56:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:56:38 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:56:38 AM
• @Meretisa The Wikipedia link matches the Reuters story. For the Wikipedia table 1-2 Sieverts the fatality is 5% (should be 5% for 1Sv, 10% for 2 Sv). For the Reuters story they are talking about microsieverts so you divide by 1000 to get siverts. So when they are talking about 1000 mSv that is 1 Sv in Wikipedia. 5000 mSv would be 5 Sv, etc.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 6:56:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:56:26 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:56:26 AM
• @Jim- yeah. I worry about that too... I worry also that Japan will die... most all of it. I worry that we are not being told. Mostly I worry that it is out of control and what global outcome will be. I try not to think of this much since it is very troubling. All I know... is that deep in my heart I tremble when I hear the words Japan, Fukushima, etc...and I know that something horrible has/is happening.
  by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 6:56:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:56:11 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:56:11 AM
• @Meretisa, try this link for comparison www.epa.gov dose in rem. 10msv = 1 rem rad.dose equiv. Becca
  by Becca at 3/26/2011 6:53:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:53:38 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:53:38 AM
• @Sinthia Domina Sievert is equal to Grey, except for different types of radiation. For gamma radiation, 1 Gy = 1 Sv. A Sievert measures a "dose" for your body, it's a standard unit of mesaurement that takes into account what element you are exposed to.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 6:53:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:53:32 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:53:32 AM
• Long term poisoning of land and sea.
  by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 6:53:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:53:29 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:53:29 AM
• @Jim- what scares you??
  by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 6:52:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:52:43 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:52:43 AM
• Sinthia- yeah. that is part of the problem too. there are so many factors, no hard facts to cover everyone.
  by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 6:52:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:52:32 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:52:32 AM
• @Meretisa Sorry, I was mixed up. The risk to get fatal cancer is 5% / Sv. It's .05% for 100 mSv (.1 Sv). I was thinking about the 100 Msv that everyone has been talking about.
  by Jojo at 3/26/2011 6:52:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:52:09 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:52:09 AM
• @Meretisa I really think it might be political. They really have strong ties to business and maybe the tone of this groups comments was a little scary to them. That's not what scares me btw.

  by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 6:51:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 6:51:55 AM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:51:55 AM

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