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• @Sky This one ?
  www.youtube.com
  by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 4:14:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:14:32 AM" ) ) Monday, March 28, 2011 10:14 PM
• Yes Dean, that is what I mean.
  by Sin at 3/29/2011 4:14:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:14:16 AM" ) )10:14 PM yesterday
• @Sin - even the spent fuel pools(esp #4) that got too low in water exposing the fuel rods would give off Plutonium steam, perhaps..
  by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 4:13:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:13:56 AM" ) )10:13 PM yesterday
• I am pleased with myself....and proud of all of us. I am most happy when I am learning something.....even if its terrible knowledge, that most people do not realize. Ignorance is Bliss.
  by Sin at 3/29/2011 4:13:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:13:46 AM" ) )10:13 PM yesterday
• sin.. it is a controlled fission process.
  by dean at 3/29/2011 4:13:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:13:40 AM" ) )10:13 PM yesterday
• The "fukushima 50" are working round the clock, and I think they can *possibly* control this. Right now it's like playing wack-a-mole with a total of 7 seperate criticality events, they are keeping on top of this, and we all just need to hope that things work out.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/29/2011 4:12:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:12:56 AM" ) )10:12 PM yesterday
• @VeenOui thanks. works.
  by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:12:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:12:40 AM" ) )10:12 PM yesterday
• @Sin: Doubly agreed.
  by Apollo at 3/29/2011 4:11:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:11:39 AM" ) )10:11 PM yesterday
• @Meretisa Try this
  edition.cnn.com
  by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 4:11:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:11:29 AM" ) )10:11 PM yesterday
• @Sin understood and agreed.
  by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:11:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:11:17 AM" ) )10:11 PM yesterday
• I am looking for the video of the tsunami coming ashore at Fukushima Dai-ichi, that we viewed the other day. Does anybody have the link handy? Many thanks.
  by Sky at 3/29/2011 4:11:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:11:15 AM" ) )10:11 PM yesterday
• I just wanted to point that out as it seems the whole site is such a huge potential for disaster, and everyone seems focused on just #3 and the MOX fuel. Theoretically, the plutonium they found today could have come from any of the reactors.
  by Sin at 3/29/2011 4:10:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:10:42 AM" ) )10:10 PM yesterday
• @VeenOui page no longer found.
  by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:10:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:10:38 AM" ) )10:10 PM yesterday
• @sin, the iunion of concerned scientists agrees with you see www.ucsusa.org
  by Alaskan at 3/29/2011 4:09:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:09:52 AM" ) )10:09 PM yesterday
• In this CNN Video, they are flying into Sendai AP and there is a 25 MILE restriction zone around fujushima !.......US troops are doing the Air Traffic.
  cnn.com
  by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 4:09:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:09:32 AM" ) )10:09 PM yesterday
• @dean, article that I couldn't find here again (one one of the back pages somewhere stated that this "Discharge outlet" ( for reactors 1-4) was 3km offshore from the plant. An oddity that they would run a pipe 3km out into the ocean just for heat exchangers ????
  by wtm at 3/29/2011 4:08:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:08:25 AM" ) )10:08 PM yesterday
• Running a nuclear power plant in normal conditions is controlled criticality. Am I correct?
  by Sin at 3/29/2011 4:07:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:07:44 AM" ) )10:07 PM yesterday
• Sin is correct about the Uranium, I believe.
  by Reed at 3/29/2011 4:07:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:07:41 AM" ) )10:07 PM yesterday
• @Apollo thank you. @patrick kelley eesh. :(
  by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:07:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:07:23 AM" ) )10:07 PM yesterday
• @Sin www.ans.org Technical Brief on The Impact of Mixed Oxide Fuel Use on Accident Consequences at Fukushima Daiichi
  by Pat at 3/29/2011 4:07:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:07:22 AM" ) )10:07 PM yesterday
• @DEAN so do you know if it would be similar..... they did seento get the construct/desighn assumption wrong thanks
  by fitter at 3/29/2011 4:07:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:07:20 AM" ) )10:07 PM yesterday
• @sin kinda. The spent fuel rods will have a greater amount of plutonium then the MOX rods, but the MOX rods have more highly refined pockets in them, making them more likely to achieve criticality... I believe. The used fuel rods don't have as much energy bouncing around, but are very much dangerous as hell, and probably a more dangerous source then the reactor cores rods.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/29/2011 4:06:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:06:38 AM" ) )10:06 PM yesterday
• @Sin: You Are Correct. All reactors create plutonium, which is the nuclear alchemy: lead-like U-238 becomes golden Pu-239
  by Apollo at 3/29/2011 4:06:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:06:30 AM" ) )10:06 PM yesterday
• I can try...give me a few...or Dean can comment.
  by Sin at 3/29/2011 4:06:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:06:24 AM" ) )10:06 PM yesterday
• @Sin thanks. reading. very interesting. can you corroborate this anywhere else?
  by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:05:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:05:38 AM" ) )10:05 PM yesterday
• 

  All Clear
  pointscope01.jp

  by VeenOui via Pointscope01.jp at 3/29/2011 4:03:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:03:48 AM" ) )10:03 PM yesterday
• fitter if your there,, that seismic study was performed to standards in the USA with NUREG requirements and the assumptions they used may not apply to the japanese spent fuel pools, they probably have different standards... of significance to me is the statement that the cooling system for the spent fuel pool was not build to quality level NQA-1 which means that it could fail but the caveat was.. IN 3-8 DAYS INTERVENTION could prevent draining,
  by dean at 3/29/2011 4:03:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:03:32 AM" ) )10:03 PM yesterday
• Here is where I got the info from my last statement. georneys.blogspot.com
  by Sin at 3/29/2011 4:02:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:02:55 AM" ) )10:02 PM yesterday
• @Nancy I just reviewed the IAEA's incident reports and there was a hydrogen explosion in reactor 2 on the 15th. It was believed that the containment might have been breached despite the relatively small external damage to the building.
  by LM at 3/29/2011 3:58:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:58:59 AM" ) )9:58 PM yesterday
• I am reading he infomation fitter sent
  by dean at 3/29/2011 3:56:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:56:14 AM" ) )9:56 PM yesterday
• Here we go again...
  by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 3:55:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:55:42 AM" ) )9:55 PM yesterday
• @Sin Is this real? @DEAN- is that right??
  by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 3:55:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:55:34 AM" ) )9:55 PM yesterday
• people, what is worst case scenario we are facing with fukushima
  by kresimir at 3/29/2011 3:54:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:54:41 AM" ) )9:54 PM yesterday
• @Pat...Thank you. @EVERYONE Plutonium in the MOX of #3 has been portrayed as more of a concern that the other reactors, due to the enriched uranium. However, Uranium in its natural state is like 1% Uranium 235, and the rest , 99%, is Uranium 238, which does not fission, but does absorb neutrons, becomes Uranium 239, and decays to become Plutonium. The point is that any fuel that has been used in a reactor, as in the SPF of all the reactors, the uranium 235 becomes plutonium. It all has plutonium in it. ALL of it. Experts, please correct me if my understanding of this is wrong.
  by Sin at 3/29/2011 3:53:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:53:53 AM" ) )9:53 PM yesterday
• @Pat Sure, but the article from the German source back there says they sustained burns and that contradicts several other sources. Even Kyodo News has already corrected their early report.
  by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 3:52:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:52:57 AM" ) )9:52 PM yesterday
• nite all, off to sleep.
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 3:51:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:51:49 AM" ) )9:51 PM yesterday
• @Pedro Jesus Welll...they still have to have "check ups" so the aren't not under a Doctor's supervisioin, just relased,
  by Pat at 3/29/2011 3:50:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:50:42 AM" ) )9:50 PM yesterday
• dean thanks for answer
  by kresimir at 3/29/2011 3:50:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:50:07 AM" ) )9:50 PM yesterday
• reading it now fitter
  by dean at 3/29/2011 3:49:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:49:14 AM" ) )9:49 PM yesterday
• sky. if they are talking about the inlet gates you see down on the shore line,,, and the discharge gates.. usually the discharge is not contaminated but water used to remove heat from the heat exchanges and main condensor... water doesn't get contaminated in that case.. but if inside the condensor or other heat exchangers that have primary to auxiliary cooling water there is a leak then it's the culprit
  by dean at 3/29/2011 3:49:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:49:02 AM" ) )9:49 PM yesterday
• @James Ward So the French and the Germans are saying some really explicit things. "and everyone should know by now this isn't over by a long shot"
  by Pat at 3/29/2011 3:48:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:48:29 AM" ) )9:48 PM yesterday
• @DEAN ARTICLE SENT TO YOU EARLIER PG 20 I THINK TENZINGhttp://www.iasmirt.org/iasmirt-3/SMiRT10/DC_250590
  by fitter at 3/29/2011 3:48:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:48:11 AM" ) )9:48 PM yesterday
• Excellent Article.full on contrary to press quotes
  by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 3:47:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:47:32 AM" ) )9:47 PM yesterday
• Is .54 becqurels of pleutoneum important.... especially if they think it's from the plant?
  by CaraBnr at 3/29/2011 3:46:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:46:36 AM" ) )9:46 PM yesterday
• @James Ward Excellent contradiction. According to several other sources those men have been discharged from the NIRS without any injuries.
  by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 3:46:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:46:34 AM" ) )9:46 PM yesterday

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• right nancy.. and.. another thing.. the holes the put in the 5 & 6 plants better be big enough..
  by dean at 3/29/2011 3:46:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:46:33 AM" ) )9:46 PM yesterday
• @wtm. Good find. That article characterizes the trench as "for bringing seawater into the complex" (seems strange!) and refers to a "a discharge outlet for reactor Nos. 1-4" that was tested for radioactive contamination. It is hard for me to grasp how a proper environmentally safe engineering design would have a discharge outlet from 4 nuclear reactors into the Pacific Ocean.
  by Sky at 3/29/2011 3:46:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:46:13 AM" ) )9:46 PM yesterday
• the melt at chernobyl ended up putting molten fuel in many pipes and it dripped out of some... I wish they had cam's in the plant just for building visual in the containment building
  by dean at 3/29/2011 3:45:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:45:50 AM" ) )9:45 PM yesterday
• one thing is.. they didn't have time to make a full assessment of damage caused by the earthquake at each facility... and at this point it was significant,,, then the tsunami hit... MUCH of the affects of the quake will maybe be revealed as they try to piece together all the data and what they see each day..
  by dean at 3/29/2011 3:43:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:43:19 AM" ) )9:43 PM yesterday
• That was what I heard some TV expert saying at some point, that the hole in the side of 2 may have acted as venting preventing it from blowing out like the others.
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 3:43:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:43:16 AM" ) )9:43 PM yesterday
• Excellent article from Spiegel Online: "How Dangerous Is Japan's Creeping Nuclear Disaster?" www.spiegel.de QUOTE: The workers are now under observation at the National Institute of Radiological Sciences. The water at Fukushima was so contaminated that radioactive beta radiation burned their skin. In less than an hour, they were exposed to about 180 millisievert of radiation, or nine times as much as one nuclear power plant employee is exposed to in an entire year. "These kinds of burns will be causing problems for the men for a long time to come," says Peter Jacob, director of the Institute for Radiation Protection at the Helmholtz Center in Munich, Germany. Commenting on the exposure, a coworker of the three men said laconically: "We do pay attention. But now we have to be even more careful as we work."
  by James Ward at 3/29/2011 3:43:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:43:15 AM" ) )9:43 PM yesterday
• @Sin that was a quote of Thierry Charles, head of France's Institute for Radiological Protection and Nuclear Safety (IRSN).
  by Pat at 3/29/2011 3:42:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:42:01 AM" ) )9:42 PM yesterday
• nancy... the hole in the wall of #2 I think kept that building from poofing,,, you can see steam coming of little holes in the roof..
  by dean at 3/29/2011 3:41:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:41:48 AM" ) )9:41 PM yesterday
• It was thought the supression pool, ot the torus, a rupture of that had caused the explosion in #2.
  by Sin at 3/29/2011 3:41:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:41:16 AM" ) )9:41 PM yesterday
• good point sin.. from my nuclear experience,,, we want to know the isotopes coming off those buildings.. and from there ascertain if fresh ones are coming from a criticality
  by dean at 3/29/2011 3:40:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:40:36 AM" ) )9:40 PM yesterday
• @Dean, I think that hole might have been caused by the original earthquake, although the containment is heavy concrete, the earthquake did move the entire earth near there 8 feet. That could have torqued that concrete and just cracked it enough, then the pressure build up and suddenly you have a bigger crack !
  by wtm at 3/29/2011 3:40:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:40:33 AM" ) )9:40 PM yesterday
• @dean Scribble stores some of the pictures posted in a media gallery. If you would like access to these pictures email me and i'll set you up with a license so you can access it
  by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 3:40:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:40:18 AM" ) )9:40 PM yesterday
• According to www.nucleartourist.com , all safety-related equipment within a nuke plant is color-coded for instant universal recognition. For example crane is green, containment cap is yellow, etc. Look at the pictures and you'll be struck by seeing the same colors for the same items. Maybe someone who has worked in a nuke plant can confirm. It should help with recognition of items among the debris.
  by Sky at 3/29/2011 3:40:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:40:16 AM" ) )9:40 PM yesterday
• @Dean, I can't remember. They said something the day of/after the explosions how the hole in the side of #2 happened. I think someone thought #3 blew the hole in 2 and it was more happy accident. The only safety venting IIRC was on 5-6 with holes on the roof.
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 3:39:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:39:57 AM" ) )9:39 PM yesterday
• @Pat....I am not convinced that the temperatures of the core reached a high enough temperature to create corium, however, I do think that it is on the verge of doing so, but they are keeping just enough water in it to prevent full melt down. If they have to evacuate the whole site, and abandon it, it would be inevitable. I am not an expert, just self-taught by a crash course this past couple of weeks, so my opinion means very little.
  by Sin at 3/29/2011 3:38:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:38:19 AM" ) )9:38 PM yesterday
• hey nancy... what caused that hole in the wall on #2 plant? because I think it's let steam out with hydrogen so no explosive concentration inside the building
  by dean at 3/29/2011 3:37:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:37:58 AM" ) )9:37 PM yesterday
• @Nancy, @Sky, here is one of the articles I could find again, scroll down, it is about 2/3 through the story, states about the drain outlet. The other article on it, stated that the outlet was 3km out at sea from the plant, but I can't find that one now. e.nikkei.com
  by wtm at 3/29/2011 3:37:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:37:51 AM" ) )9:37 PM yesterday
• Thank you, everyone, for your participation here. NKH had an expert reviewing the video who thought a crane had fallen over during the explosion. Also, someone asked earlier if any other plant employees had been interviewed. Early on there was a video on NKH with a worker saying he was near the spent fuel pool at R4 and that the water was flying out during the earthquake. He also said cryptically that it was "under repair" at the time. I thought oh great, what repairs?They filmed him from the back. Curiously, you can't find this video now. Again, my heartfelt gratitude for those of you sharing your expertise and time.
  by Christine at 3/29/2011 3:37:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:37:41 AM" ) )9:37 PM yesterday
• Regarding the photo- It's a dome-shaped metal frame covering black emptiness. Probably the containment lid in shreds. At least that's what it appears to be to me.
  by Maureen Burke at 3/29/2011 3:36:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:36:51 AM" ) )9:36 PM yesterday
• I'd say it could have impacted the top of the concrete containment lid as well
  by dean at 3/29/2011 3:36:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:36:50 AM" ) )9:36 PM yesterday
• This article claimed that on the 14th #2 reactor had fully exposed rods briefly when they had an abrupt drop in water. So some of the things people are wondering could be true. It also mentions containment on #2 being failed as of the 14th also. search.japantimes.co.jp
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 3:36:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:36:35 AM" ) )9:36 PM yesterday
• we don't know the center of the explosion but with the huge fireball it must have been at the main floor level rather than the top of the room.. with that shock wave from the blast i would think anything in that elevation of the building would be blown apart and lifted
  by dean at 3/29/2011 3:36:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:36:19 AM" ) )9:36 PM yesterday
• ty fitter
  by dean at 3/29/2011 3:34:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:34:55 AM" ) )9:34 PM yesterday
• dean ill back track and look for it
  by fitter at 3/29/2011 3:34:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:34:41 AM" ) )9:34 PM yesterday
• christine, the magnitude of the explosion in #3 plant certainly had the power to lift that crane off the rollers on the spent fuel pool
  by dean at 3/29/2011 3:34:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:34:28 AM" ) )9:34 PM yesterday
• @sin i agree, not much on #4 and if you read the article sent to Dean, the comdition of the pool does not sound good if it exsist.. I don't know if the article is the same design here... waiting to hear from Dean as to what he thinks
  by fitter at 3/29/2011 3:34:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:34:16 AM" ) )9:34 PM yesterday
• fitter I didn't see this
  by dean at 3/29/2011 3:33:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:33:11 AM" ) )9:33 PM yesterday
• @pj Hi pj, Michael Allen's analysis here blogs.knoxnews.com indicates that the "different" explosions may have been steam explosions from reactor material contacting water below. I am given to understand the steam explosions he simulated for Sandia Labs were violent enough to breach core vessels.
  by Gordon at 3/29/2011 3:32:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:32:58 AM" ) )9:32 PM yesterday
• Thank you, everyone, for your participation here. NKH had an expert reviewing this video and he thought a crane had fallen over.
  by Christine at 3/29/2011 3:32:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:32:56 AM" ) )9:32 PM yesterday
• kresimir,,, the accident at the nuclear facility, because of the multiple accidents, is unprecedented in the nuclear accident history,, there are no written procedures to respond to these events, no accident recovery procedures, each day is something new.. a new challenge, but, 1-it's not like chernobyl because the containments and fpent fuel pools seem to be there.. maybe seriously damaged but still there, 2- fuel melt of some magnitude in all facilities, and in spent fuel, some worse than others, 2-unknowns about the first hour after earthquake with no chance to access damage from the 9.0,, but indications that LOCA happened and some auxiliary systems damaged that has let to leakage outside of building, 4- plutonium found which is serious to every one around, 5- not a global issue thus far, 6-the reactors now pose a huge "radiation" problem, that will take months and years to totaly contain, secure and seal off...
  by dean at 3/29/2011 3:32:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:32:41 AM" ) )9:32 PM yesterday
• Thank you, everyone, for your participation here. NKH had an expert saying he believed a crane had fallen over.
  by Christine at 3/29/2011 3:32:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:32:03 AM" ) )9:32 PM yesterday
• @Sin In French (use google translate) www.asn.fr or pretty much summarized on this page www.google.com The contaminated water inside the building housing reactor 2 is most likely leakage from the donut-shaped suppression chamber. The leaks in both 2 , 3 reactors, experts say, mean that this innermost line of defence has been breached.But it is certain that, inside the reactor core, there must be some pieces that have melted to form corium," or molten fuel composed of the rods and other structural elements. Even in an extreme scenario where there is enough corium to pierce the concrete containment vessel, the molten matter will cool slowly as it hits the rock foundation under the nuclear reactor, according to IRSN experts. Water running over the corium would carry radioactive elements into the ocean
  by Pat at 3/29/2011 3:31:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:31:54 AM" ) )9:31 PM yesterday
• What's the best diagram or map of the plant?
  by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 3:31:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:31:21 AM" ) )9:31 PM yesterday
• Plume forecast current www.infiniteunknown.net
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 3:30:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:30:46 AM" ) )9:30 PM yesterday
• @wtm That's a possibility and the answer we should all fear the most. I hope it's something else, maybe dean can come up with a better explanation.
  by Salvador at 3/29/2011 3:29:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:29:33 AM" ) )9:29 PM yesterday
• KYODO News: France sent two nuclear experts to Japan, Japanese requested. And I believe ,France has 47? nuclear plants in use at this time.
  by MaryW at 3/29/2011 3:29:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:29:26 AM" ) )9:29 PM yesterday
• @dean glad to see you back, did you see post someone sent you on"Seismis Risk Analysis of spent fuel pool? What do think? is this the same design of close to the Japan reactors!! very good article..
  by fitter at 3/29/2011 3:29:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:29:14 AM" ) )9:29 PM yesterday
• They are talking about the leak "...which is near the turbine building of the Number 2 reactor and around 180 feet from the sea." Anybody want to see where that might be?
  by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 3:28:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:28:33 AM" ) )9:28 PM yesterday
• @limgur, if you look at that object sideways, top to bottom, it sort of looks like the top shroud of the reactor as when you see it in the construction pictures
  by wtm at 3/29/2011 3:27:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:27:52 AM" ) )9:27 PM yesterday
• @Sin, yes and no. Depending on who is talking. Some are seriously glossing it over, others point out how serious this is.
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 3:27:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:27:36 AM" ) )9:27 PM yesterday
• 

  Yes @dean, it is. The object looks like this from nearer on: i.imgur.com

  by Salvador via I.imgur at 3/29/2011 3:27:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:27:32 AM" ) )9:27 PM yesterday
• @sin- yes.
  by Maureen Burke at 3/29/2011 3:27:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:27:10 AM" ) )9:27 PM yesterday
• to me it looks greenish.. and the only thing greenish was the crane.....
  by dean at 3/29/2011 3:26:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:26:48 AM" ) )9:26 PM yesterday
• What worries me is that they are being very constrained about the info on #4. From what I understand, during an outage, it is customary for only a partial amount of the rods to be removed from the core for refueling, but because of the maintenance or inspection that was scheduled, ALL of the rods, including the unspent fuel is contained in the SFP of #4. It has no containment whatsoever, the building is pretty much destroyed. Do you all not think this is bein glossed over?
  by Sin at 3/29/2011 3:26:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:26:32 AM" ) )9:26 PM yesterday
• @WTM, do you have the article link, that might help.
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 3:26:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:26:19 AM" ) )9:26 PM yesterday

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• salavador,,, is that #3 plant
  by dean at 3/29/2011 3:26:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:26:15 AM" ) )9:26 PM yesterday
• hallo dean, can you summarize situation that japan and world are now facing, for us that are not all the time following developments. with respect, would like to hear from your opinnion what is acctualy going oh there
  by kresimir at 3/29/2011 3:26:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:26:08 AM" ) )9:26 PM yesterday
• @Sky, article stated that high radioactivity (As high as what had been found at the reactor) was found at the site of the "Discharge outlet" for reactors 1-4 which is 3km out in the ocean.
  by wtm at 3/29/2011 3:25:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:25:29 AM" ) )9:25 PM yesterday
• Before I forget again, this is from a video taken from number 3 reactor.
  by Salvador at 3/29/2011 3:25:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:25:17 AM" ) )9:25 PM yesterday
• 

  I'll take the opportunity of dean being here to ask him what he thinks the object in this screenshot is: i.imgur.com

  by Salvador via I.imgur at 3/29/2011 3:24:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:24:38 AM" ) )9:24 PM yesterday
• @sky- Use Ubuntu instead of microsoft. It's free and fast.
  by Maureen Burke at 3/29/2011 3:24:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:24:23 AM" ) )9:24 PM yesterday
• yes pj,,,, the actual fire ball isn't as evident,,, probably on other side of plant,,,
  by dean at 3/29/2011 3:24:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:24:22 AM" ) )9:24 PM yesterday
• Highly radioactive water leaks outside Japan's nuclear plant building www.telegraph.co.uk
  
  Highly radioactive water found in tunnel outside nuclear plant www.cnn.com
  
  Hazardous Radiation Detected Outside Damaged Japanese Reactor www.bloomberg.com
  
  Japan Fears Nuclear Reactor Is Leaking Contaminated Water www.nytimes.com
  
  Highly radioactive water leaks from Japanese nuclear plant www.reuters.com
  
  Analysis: Japan crisis stirs worries about leadership vacuum www.reuters.com
  
  Radiation in Japan seawater spreads north www.cbc.ca
  
  Low levels of radiation detected in Massachusetts' rainwater www.digitaljournal.com
  
  Radiation in seawater may be spreading in Japan www.independent.co.uk
  
  Radiation spreads to Japan's soil, seawater www.msnbc.msn.com
  
  Radioactive water being removed from Fukushima plant rt.com
  
  Japan's nuclear protest rt.com
  
  More on Fukushima nuclear disaster rt.com
  by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 3:24:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:24:15 AM" ) )9:24 PM yesterday
• @Sky Use firefox? I do, no problem. Arch Linux too.
  by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 3:23:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:23:18 AM" ) )9:23 PM yesterday
• @Apollo You hit the point right on! Quote: "[...]they are the only institution with a detailed understanding of the site[...]"
  by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 3:23:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:23:17 AM" ) )9:23 PM yesterday
• @dean That explosion seemed very different from the earlier ones - more flames, more height, more carnage. The weird thing is that one of the first explosions sort of looked like a pressure explosion, no flames. Just a poof of vapor initially and then some structure flying about. Still don't know what to make of the differences.
  by pj at 3/29/2011 3:23:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:23:14 AM" ) )9:23 PM yesterday
• @wtm - are you saying that an actual drain has been found that extends 3km out into the ocean from the plant? or just that the discovery of high radioisotope concentrations out at sea suggests that such a thing could exist?
  by Sky at 3/29/2011 3:23:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:23:06 AM" ) )9:23 PM yesterday
• @Sky, get Firefox browser, works better than Microsoft.
  by wtm at 3/29/2011 3:22:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:22:58 AM" ) )9:22 PM yesterday
• Is it just my browser/internet connection? I always have a hard time accessing scribd but I can't access George's stuff at all. A page header then the browser just sits there twiddling its thumbs.
  by Sky at 3/29/2011 3:21:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:21:59 AM" ) )9:21 PM yesterday
• If this was a normal drain for unused water in the turbine building, then I could see a drain pipe going to the ocean just below the bottom of the complex, but to purposely run a drain pipe out 3km into the ocean means that it is setup for a different purpose !!!! And that would have a valve on it !!!!!
  by wtm at 3/29/2011 3:21:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:21:49 AM" ) )9:21 PM yesterday
• @Salvador @Pedro: American officials profit IMMENSELY from their connections, as well. TEPCO has a tenuous --unsteady-- control of leadership. They could be superceded (they would be in the USA, I think) but I fear that they are the only institution with a detailed understanding of the site. Also: the government is arguably weaker in some respects politically than the power company. This is an opposition government and much weaker than your usual LDP power structures.
  by Apollo at 3/29/2011 3:20:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:20:55 AM" ) )9:20 PM yesterday
• de-lurking! Thanks for keeping this up, everyone. I wanted to share this National Geographic piece on Chernobyl that I happened to see a few months ago. It keeps coming to mind: ngm.nationalgeographic.com
  by DinNYC at 3/29/2011 3:20:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:20:39 AM" ) )9:20 PM yesterday
• So do you think the pleutonium is from R3?
  by CaraBnr at 3/29/2011 3:19:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:19:21 AM" ) )9:19 PM yesterday
• Question: Where is all that allegedly leaking water leaking from?
  by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 3:19:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:19:08 AM" ) )9:19 PM yesterday
• @jay77 LOL!!!
  by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 3:18:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:18:54 AM" ) )9:18 PM yesterday
• sky,,, that explosion on #3 was horrendous, I said from the beginning of seeing it.. and all the debris, steel colums, concrete probably walls, etc, the crashing back down from at least 300 feet in the air.. onto the main floor of the building.. just had to have done massive damage...
  by dean at 3/29/2011 3:17:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:17:57 AM" ) )9:17 PM yesterday
• @WTM, it sounded like ruptured pipes allowing water out an unregulated section. This was days ago they said it and cited it as the reason for the large numbers in the water.
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 3:17:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:17:42 AM" ) )9:17 PM yesterday
• Are the fish within the 20km-30km radius aware they are not allowed to swim beyond those specific waters to be caught and eaten later?
  by jay77 at 3/29/2011 3:16:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:16:44 AM" ) )9:16 PM yesterday
• I just noticed what George has been doing at www.scribd.com He's been busy. Thanks George!
  by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 3:16:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:16:26 AM" ) )9:16 PM yesterday
• @Apollo It's the same over here in Germany. One day you are minister of economy, the next you are in the board of E.ON or RWE. I don't have more trust in japanese government people, but they at least have direct control over all the other relieve orgs- Firefighters, SDF etc. Coordination would be easier without TEPCO being the top dog on site.
  by Salvador at 3/29/2011 3:15:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:15:09 AM" ) )9:15 PM yesterday
• @Nancy, it would seem odd that there was a "drain" out to the ocean within the "Fresh water" loop, that would have allowed water to drain directly out to the ocean without a "Valve" been opened to allow it to do so !!!!! Not something that would be allowed to be done, I would think, in the normal operation of the plant. More like, we need to vent this, open this valve !!!!
  by wtm at 3/29/2011 3:15:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:15:08 AM" ) )9:15 PM yesterday
• seems all the info i can find today is in japanese. has some diagrams and charts so maybe someone here can use. Earthquake Information (Part 60) and local monitoring information March 29, 2011 www.meti.go.jp
  by dtinla at 3/29/2011 3:14:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:14:45 AM" ) )9:14 PM yesterday
• @Pedro: OH YES
  by Apollo at 3/29/2011 3:14:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:14:01 AM" ) )9:14 PM yesterday
• @Nancy: CNN (the "all Libya now network") actually interviewed some of these individuals back when they were covering this story.
  by Apollo at 3/29/2011 3:13:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:13:32 AM" ) )9:13 PM yesterday
• @Apollo Is that traditional only in Japan? That sounds very Portuguese to me.
  by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 3:13:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:13:26 AM" ) )9:13 PM yesterday
• Tepco needs someone like Harold Denton to come forward to fully explain the scientific specifics of the ongoing situation. ( He was an important spokesperson from the NRC during three mile island)
  by Jeff at 3/29/2011 3:12:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:12:36 AM" ) )9:12 PM yesterday
• @Apollo, the Mark 1 does not have a great reputation for good design from a safety standpoint. Lots of issues that even the engineers that worked on them eventually walked out in disgust.
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 3:11:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:11:39 AM" ) )9:11 PM yesterday
• @Salvador: Everyone in Japan is concerned about face. There isn't much much difference between the bureaucrats & the capitalists. Several of the top executives at TEPCO are former METI officials who catered to power company interests while "serving the public." It is traditional in Japan for top government officials to be rewarded with high paying jobs in the private sector.
  by Apollo at 3/29/2011 3:11:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:11:29 AM" ) )9:11 PM yesterday
• @Nancy Now it starts to affect other countries. Has the same tired line, "Ministry says no effect to human health."
  by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 3:11:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:11:27 AM" ) )9:11 PM yesterday
• Dean, it looks like the H2 explosion in No. 3 made its fuel crane crash down on the #3 SFP. A Japanese professor was on NHK opining it had damaged the fuel. Someone else speculated there might even be criticality down there where the fuel rods got whacked or scattered or whatever. That was the biggest news item of the day. Oh, and the discovery of Pu in 5 of 5 soil samples near the plant.
  by Sky at 3/29/2011 3:11:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:11:05 AM" ) )9:11 PM yesterday
• by Sin at 3/29/2011 3:10:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:10:55 AM" ) )9:10 PM yesterday
• @Apollo Yup, sometimes you get what you pay for.
  by pj at 3/29/2011 3:10:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:10:19 AM" ) )9:10 PM yesterday
• @WTM, they were stating over the weekend that #2 had a known leak in the "basement" that is opening between the reactor water loop into the fresh water that circulates back out to the ocean. So they knew over the weekend #2 was leaking radioactive water directly out to sea.
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 3:09:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:09:06 AM" ) )9:09 PM yesterday
• @Cup I saw that but I don't know what units those squares represent.
  by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 3:08:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:08:35 AM" ) )9:08 PM yesterday
• in todays environment, i wouldn't be surprised if countries affected by radioactive fall out from a nuclear accident try to go through world court or something for compensation..
  by dean at 3/29/2011 3:07:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:07:45 AM" ) )9:07 PM yesterday
• The only other oddity that I find is how there could be radioactivity (of as high as the reactor) out at a drain pipe (drain outlet for reactors 1-4), 3km in the ocean ???? Unless the drain had been opened ???
  by wtm at 3/29/2011 3:06:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:06:50 AM" ) )9:06 PM yesterday
• The Nationalization of Tepco would be a step in the right direction. Kick all those corrupt CEO's out and let the Fukushima operation be controlled by people who aren't interested in saving face, money and their own skin. If this happens, it comes much too late!
  by Salvador at 3/29/2011 3:06:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:06:25 AM" ) )9:06 PM yesterday
• xenon and radioactive iodine found in S. Korea english.kyodonews.jp
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 3:06:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:06:03 AM" ) )9:06 PM yesterday
• @Bobby1 - www.eurad.uni-koeln.de - Blue square maps are "möglich" = possible. However, click on the blue map and on next page scroll down to bottom right and click rectangular map. That will show you actual measurements by the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organization measuring points.
  by Cup at 3/29/2011 3:05:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:05:48 AM" ) )9:05 PM yesterday
• The nuke scientist in my family just opined via e-mail on the Mark 1s: Cheap to install but you incur greater risks.
  by Apollo at 3/29/2011 3:05:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:05:13 AM" ) )9:05 PM yesterday

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• @wtm I definitely won't call it my logic. I know enough to know that I don't have a clue about this stuff. That was a theory from Gordon earlier in the day. Thought I'd bring it back, though, since it seemed to get lost in the other comments.
  by jay77 at 3/29/2011 3:05:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:05:12 AM" ) )9:05 PM yesterday
• @wtm Yeah, it's really no different than when you have a leak in the basement. It just goes everywhere.
  by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 3:04:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:04:29 AM" ) )9:04 PM yesterday
• good statistics on the reactors Maureen
  by dean at 3/29/2011 3:04:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:04:26 AM" ) )9:04 PM yesterday
• that didn't copy and paste well. Sorry. Reactor one first started commercial operation 3/26/71. Of course they would test first. I misread the question.
  by Maureen Burke at 3/29/2011 3:02:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:02:22 AM" ) )9:02 PM yesterday
• @jay77, I would agree with your logic on this, the crack in the containment area might have also been caused by the original earthquake (after all it did move the earth 8 feet) Just needed a core meltdown to get that water into the cracked containment area, and then trickled outside the site.
  by wtm at 3/29/2011 3:02:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:02:03 AM" ) )9:02 PM yesterday
• 

  No steam finally
  pointscope01.jp

  by VeenOui via Pointscope01.jp at 3/29/2011 3:01:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:01:41 AM" ) )9:01 PM yesterday
• @Bobby1 You nailed it. Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you sir!
  by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/29/2011 3:01:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:01:14 AM" ) )9:01 PM yesterday
• @Maureen Burke That doesn't mean that it wasn't finished being constructed, just that it wasn't used commercially until that time. I assume they wanted to run tests first before hooking it up to the grid.
  by borrrden at 3/29/2011 3:00:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:00:08 AM" ) )9:00 PM yesterday
• @Dennis Tucker Jr I haven't found a worldwide model though this German site might have some data www.eurad.uni-koeln.de
  by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 2:59:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:59:38 AM" ) )8:59 PM yesterday
• @jay77 I agree with this line of logic. It also fits in with the water "pressure washing" material out of the reactor containment theory I have also.
  by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/29/2011 2:59:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:59:09 AM" ) )8:59 PM yesterday
• @ Pedro, they are all versions of the GE Mark1
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 2:59:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:59:06 AM" ) )8:59 PM yesterday
• NEWS KYODO Nationalisation of TEPCO possible
  by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 2:59:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:59:05 AM" ) )8:59 PM yesterday
• 
  Unit Type[17] Start construction[18] First criticality[18] Commercial operation[18] Electric power[18] Reactor supplier[17] Architecture[4] Construction[4] Fuel
  Fukushima I – 1 BWR-3 July 25, 1967 October 10, 1970 March 26, 1971 460 MW General Electric Ebasco Kajima LEU
  Fukushima I – 2 BWR-4 June 9, 1969 May 10, 1973 July 18, 1974 784 MW General Electric Ebasco Kajima LEU
  Fukushima I – 3 BWR-4 December 28, 1970 September 6, 1974 March 27, 1976 784 MW Toshiba Toshiba Kajima LEU/MOX[6]
  Fukushima I – 4 BWR-4 February 12, 1973 January 28, 1978 October 12, 1978 784 MW Hitachi Hitachi Kajima
  Fukushima I – 5 BWR-4 May 22, 1972 August 26, 1977 April 18, 1978 784 MW Toshiba Toshiba Kajima
  Fukushima I – 6 BWR-5 October 26, 1973 March 9, 1979 October 24, 1979 1,100 MW General Electric Ebasco Kajima
  Fukushima I – 7 (planned)[19] ABWR April 2012 October 2016 1,380 MW
  Fukushima I – 8 (planned)[19] ABWR April 2012 October 2017 1,380 MW
  [edit]
  by Maureen Burke at 3/29/2011 2:58:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:58:52 AM" ) )8:58 PM yesterday
• ty pj
  by dean at 3/29/2011 2:57:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:57:37 AM" ) )8:57 PM yesterday
• Don't know if anyone caught this post from @Gordon earlier today, I never saw a response... "does it seem to anyone else out there that even with the scant details in the article the conclusion is obvious? There has been a corem melt and subsequent vessel breach. The remaining corem is now cool enough to seal the reactor (maintaining pressure) and at the same time the bottom of the melt that was cooled suddenly by water injection is porous and letting the water straight out. Ok so this is opinion but is in line with corem behavior in TMI, Chernobyl, Sandia Labs corem investigations and several papers published on actual experimental simulated corem melt scenarios. Comments would be appreciated."
  by jay77 at 3/29/2011 2:57:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:57:28 AM" ) )8:57 PM yesterday
• Welcome back, dean
  by pj at 3/29/2011 2:57:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:57:19 AM" ) )8:57 PM yesterday
• @Maureen Burke According to what? I would think that they would want it to be fully constructed before turning it on.....
  by borrrden at 3/29/2011 2:57:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:57:11 AM" ) )8:57 PM yesterday
• hello to all, finally after a long day I am back to read and learn what has happened
  by dean at 3/29/2011 2:56:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:56:58 AM" ) )8:56 PM yesterday
• @nancy, thank goodness we don't have 8 now
  by Alaskan at 3/29/2011 2:56:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:56:51 AM" ) )8:56 PM yesterday
• @borrden- Criticality happened during construction.
  by Maureen Burke at 3/29/2011 2:56:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:56:24 AM" ) )8:56 PM yesterday
• I've put together a web page that shows the latest 20 pages of live feed at url shown below. Let me know if this helps out. Times shown are US MST. www.poudreinternetservice.com
  by Brad at 3/29/2011 2:56:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:56:22 AM" ) )8:56 PM yesterday
• First reactor built 1970, #2 1973, #3 1974, #4 1978,#5 1977, #6 1979. Two more units were planned and not yet built. en.wikipedia.org
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 2:56:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:56:09 AM" ) )8:56 PM yesterday
• @ Dennis, thanks! I just found it in the wiki pages. I appreciate your time in looking it up.
  by Stormy at 3/29/2011 2:55:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:55:47 AM" ) )8:55 PM yesterday
• @marie rich, I am not saying there is anything sinister with the trenches, just that they were designed to provide an emergency backup for the site. I am sure TEPCO is saying what they are saying to try to throw some blame about the radioactivity somewhere else. But that doesn't change the fact that the trenches are where they are, as deep as they are, lined with rubber, and come out near the ocean ! That is NOT saying that the earthquake didn't cause a crack in something inside the reactor which is allowing the radioactivity to spew out.
  by wtm at 3/29/2011 2:55:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:55:26 AM" ) )8:55 PM yesterday
• @Jim Carver. I agree; very interesting. In the “Neue Informationen” section, they have maps for every day.
  What I meant about the graph was if someone can convert it. It looks like radiation amounts:
  www.zamg.ac.at
  by KT39 at 3/29/2011 2:54:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:54:56 AM" ) )8:54 PM yesterday
• Fukushima Daiichi plant's construction started in '67 and the reactors came on-line during the 70's in different phases. I'm pretty sure the reactors design are either from the late 50s or early 60's because there's a Spanish nuclear plant using the same design from the early 60's. I have to confirm this information though.
  by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 2:54:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:54:51 AM" ) )8:54 PM yesterday
• @Maureen Burke I used the same source, look at "first criticality" not "first commissioned" en.wikipedia.org
  by borrrden at 3/29/2011 2:54:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:54:16 AM" ) )8:54 PM yesterday
• Thanks for the radiological maps guys. Good stuff. I was looking for a worldwide dispersal model though, and I can't seem to find one.
  
  The trees appear to be sufficiently high enough over the tsunami (to me).
  
  @stormy the cam is 750m away from the reactors.
  by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/29/2011 2:54:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:54:12 AM" ) )8:54 PM yesterday
• Maybe this will assist the scientists here. Nuclear Energy Agency Severe Accident Management and Containment Safety Assessment Information publicintelligence.net
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 2:53:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:53:55 AM" ) )8:53 PM yesterday
• @tenzing- According to Wikipedia it was first commissioned in 1971 although that contradicts what borrden said.
  by Maureen Burke at 3/29/2011 2:53:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:53:05 AM" ) )8:53 PM yesterday
• I do think this accident should have the power industries limited to how many reactors that should be allowed on one site, its apperant that four is more than can be handled at one time and its only luck that we are not talking about all six...
  by fitter at 3/29/2011 2:53:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:53:02 AM" ) )8:53 PM yesterday
• Main plant built in the 70's and the 2 new ones I THINK the 80's. Off to go look it up.
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 2:53:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:53:02 AM" ) )8:53 PM yesterday
• @Pedro Jesus The pdf's at publicintelligence.net are rather large downloads
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 2:52:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:52:15 AM" ) )8:52 PM yesterday
• @Salvador, well perhaps there are more pictures showing the debris around the building and we can identify the yellow dome or what is left of it. See have got read to my daughter now. See ya!
  by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 2:50:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:50:55 AM" ) )8:50 PM yesterday
• U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission BWR Reactor Shutdown and Spent Fuel Storage Safety Report publicintelligence.net
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 2:49:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:49:40 AM" ) )8:49 PM yesterday
• @Tenzing, presumably the plant has been expanded several times to add reactors and spent fuel storage
  by Alaskan at 3/29/2011 2:49:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:49:29 AM" ) )8:49 PM yesterday
• @tenzing- I think it was in the 70's
  by Maureen Burke at 3/29/2011 2:49:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:49:14 AM" ) )8:49 PM yesterday
• This report kind of gives you an idea of the enormity of the task done at Chernobyl. "aircraft were for the first time in world used for spraying special liquids
  on the territory, forests and roads with high radiation levels. These liquids formed a layer on
  the surface that prevented the spreading of radioactive dust by the wind. About 6000 of such flights were executed. " ftp.rta.nato.int$MP-019-07.PDF
  by Sin at 3/29/2011 2:49:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:49:00 AM" ) )8:49 PM yesterday
• @Tenzing Must be at least before the first reactor went critical, which was October 10, 1970.
  by borrrden at 3/29/2011 2:48:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:48:30 AM" ) )8:48 PM yesterday
• @Tenzing The plant design I have no idea but the reactors are all General Electric designs. Let me give it a check.
  by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 2:47:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:47:29 AM" ) )8:47 PM yesterday
• @Pedro Jesus When was Fukushima Plant No. 1 designed and constructed?
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 2:46:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:46:21 AM" ) )8:46 PM yesterday
• one last comment on tunnels... somtime you line them to keep water out!! and you would not want electric/pipe sitting in water... other side of the coin if they are emergy water tunnels... linning them would keep contaimets from leaching into the ground... would go to ocean (and who would know) this is not my quess as to thier function though,,, but seems to be working now!!!!!
  by fitter at 3/29/2011 2:46:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:46:03 AM" ) )8:46 PM yesterday
• @Peter Melzer I see what you mean. But the reactor vessel lid is domed too. The object we talk about is round but not domed. If it IS laying on it's head that would mean a total containment breach.
  by Salvador at 3/29/2011 2:45:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:45:26 AM" ) )8:45 PM yesterday
• You guys were looking for a wiki to post summary findings.....there already is one! fukushima.wikispaces.com I have edited a few of the links there and noticed that others had done some editing also, and it was very easy to use.
  by Sky at 3/29/2011 2:44:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:44:48 AM" ) )8:44 PM yesterday
• @wtm See post below.
  by marie rich at 3/29/2011 2:44:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:44:00 AM" ) )8:44 PM yesterday

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• Sorry, keep hitting enter before I am done , here is the article e.nikkei.com
  by wtm at 3/29/2011 2:43:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:43:55 AM" ) )8:43 PM yesterday
• @Tenzing They might have been released under the Freedom of Information Act. That reactor design dates back from the early 60's or earlier, if I'm not mistaken.
  by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 2:43:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:43:36 AM" ) )8:43 PM yesterday
• According to this article regarding the trenches, there is ALSO an underwater "discharge" outlet from reactors 1-4 in the ocean, and thats where radioactivity was found !!!!!!
  by wtm at 3/29/2011 2:43:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:43:28 AM" ) )8:43 PM yesterday
• GE Loses Billions Over Failing Reactor Design publicintelligence.net
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 2:43:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:43:09 AM" ) )8:43 PM yesterday
• @Sin Very good point. Speaking of which, I hope that stuff is being brought in if its not already available. Didn't that stuff supposedly cause the radioactive materials to coagulate to avoid spreading in the air?
  by jay77 at 3/29/2011 2:42:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:42:57 AM" ) )8:42 PM yesterday
• @KT39 I got google translate to work. Is that what you mean? I was checking out the animation of the plume at the bottom of the page, very interesting.
  by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 2:42:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:42:35 AM" ) )8:42 PM yesterday
• overflow or inlet, there's nothing sinister here. part of regular cooling system. In the trench, a pipe is laid to carry seawater into the nuclear complex. It is possible that contaminated water in the basement of the turbine building seeped into the trench and contaminated water there.
  by marie rich at 3/29/2011 2:42:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:42:09 AM" ) )8:42 PM yesterday
• @all Scientists U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission General Electric BWR/4 Reactor Technical Specifications publicintelligence.net Maybe I'm wrong but I thought Dean said this information wasn't available because of security reasons?
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 2:41:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:41:38 AM" ) )8:41 PM yesterday
• I would like to make the comment that the reason why many of the trees died at the Chernobyl site was due to helicopters spraying a sticky substance over the area in an effort to try and keep radioactive dust particles from spreading. This substance also had an unfortunate herbicide affect.
  by Sin at 3/29/2011 2:40:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:40:13 AM" ) )8:40 PM yesterday
• @Scilla well, if they were overflow pipes they would be dry darn near always, cause you don't usually blow your cooling system in a nuke plant.
  by marie rich at 3/29/2011 2:39:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:39:40 AM" ) )8:39 PM yesterday
• This saus the trenches are intended to be dry, but got flooded by tsunami. e.nikkei.com
  by Scilla at 3/29/2011 2:38:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:38:24 AM" ) )8:38 PM yesterday
• @Salvador, no no, check this here out: www.ustream.tv at 4:28. You pretty much see all the objects involved decked out on the floor when the reactor is under maintenance. There are only two solid round objects. One is the yellow dome in the far right corner and, on the opposite side, is the reactor vessel lid. Now which one might it be? Keep in mind the maintenance picture is distorted. The proportions might be slightly different.
  by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 2:38:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:38:18 AM" ) )8:38 PM yesterday
• @Jim: YES. Bonsai and Japanese gardens are nature in miniature. The grounds of a villa . . . or nuke plant are a garden --Expanded--
  by Apollo at 3/29/2011 2:37:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:37:49 AM" ) )8:37 PM yesterday
• I checked and there is not a private message feature in scribble's options.
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 2:37:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:37:30 AM" ) )8:37 PM yesterday
• @All...Does anyone know how far away the webcam is from the plant?
  by Stormy at 3/29/2011 2:36:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:36:15 AM" ) )8:36 PM yesterday
• @wtm I'm going to have to agree to disagree with both you and nancy. It's an overflow trench for the isolated condensate pump/steam turbine system, and nothing more, js.
  by marie rich at 3/29/2011 2:36:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:36:12 AM" ) )8:36 PM yesterday
• @Tenzing It looks like a pipe, that's true. But it's not very green.
  by Salvador at 3/29/2011 2:34:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:34:50 AM" ) )8:34 PM yesterday
• This describes the trenches as being like an urban utility tunnel. e.nikkei.com
  by Scilla at 3/29/2011 2:34:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:34:28 AM" ) )8:34 PM yesterday
• Fukushima Firefighter Interview: www.youtube.com
  by Debra Beckham at 3/29/2011 2:34:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:34:21 AM" ) )8:34 PM yesterday
• @DennisTuckerJr. ZAMG's are the only projected paths I know of:
  www.zamg.ac.at
  Check out the graph on 3/28/11:
  www.zamg.ac.at
  
  Can someone convert it?
  by KT39 at 3/29/2011 2:34:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:34:07 AM" ) )8:34 PM yesterday
• It would make some sense to have an emergency overflow for both the reactor/torus and the turbine room in the original site design. Things like this are built with backup in mind. The fact that the trenches are going towards the ocean, and the ground is graded toward the ocean is what really makes me say what I'm saying ! If this was not the case, then the trenches could have been going towards the control rooms ??? They could also be used for cabling too. But their main underling purpose (is why they are so deep and at the bottom of the site) is to vent water in an emergency.
  by wtm at 3/29/2011 2:33:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:33:47 AM" ) )8:33 PM yesterday
• www.onlinegardener.com Japanese Black Pine trees are 1) used for windbreaks and shoreline plantings, and 2) resistant to salt spray.
  by Alaskan at 3/29/2011 2:33:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:33:25 AM" ) )8:33 PM yesterday
• @MaryW I finally was able to see it though and I don't know why I find that so funny? She's serious!
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 2:32:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:32:08 AM" ) )8:32 PM yesterday
• @Apollo Bonsai!
  by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 2:31:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:31:55 AM" ) )8:31 PM yesterday
• @Tenzing@Anyone: I took your advice for my break but could only watch 6 minutes of it. You're right it is break material:)
  by MaryW at 3/29/2011 2:31:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:31:04 AM" ) )8:31 PM yesterday
• @Maureen: the Japanese like to trim their pine trees. No joke. But coastal winds might trim them naturally.
  by Apollo at 3/29/2011 2:29:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:29:49 AM" ) )8:29 PM yesterday
• @Jim Carver excellent point!
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 2:29:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:29:39 AM" ) )8:29 PM yesterday
• @Peter Melzer Hmm, I'm not sure I can follow your argument. No. #3 reactor wasn't under maintenance like #4, but was shut down after the quake hit. Are you saying that the structure I asked about is the blown off containment lid rolled over on it's head? Or are you saying we see the top of the reactor vessel without the lid? *shudder*
  by Salvador at 3/29/2011 2:29:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:29:36 AM" ) )8:29 PM yesterday
• @Maureen Burke lol never can tell 'round here. Wish it was all fake and I would wake up. But I think all that matters is if the soil got drenched with seawater. Nuff said on that for me too.
  by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 2:28:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:28:56 AM" ) )8:28 PM yesterday
• @maureen maybe they are cell towers, i live in colonial williamsburg so we have towers that look like trees for the tourist
  by fitter at 3/29/2011 2:28:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:28:38 AM" ) )8:28 PM yesterday
• @Salvador No. look at you photo you posted first at 7:13 PST I see what looks like a HUGE greenish circular object that is leaning to the left and is open on top like a pipe. does that help?
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 2:28:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:28:24 AM" ) )8:28 PM yesterday
• 38Cl isn't what I expected from spent fuel. With half an hour half-life, it has been produced very recently by neutron irradiation of sea salt. I hope neutrons created by spontaneous fission of 240Pu explain it. Maybe I check that (but excess neutrons would come with excess heat, which would have been noticed). Its abundance in water (as compared with fission products) comes from solubility and from staying outside the fuel's cladding
  by marie rich at 3/29/2011 2:28:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:28:04 AM" ) )8:28 PM yesterday
• Link--> www.nuclearflower.com
  by JMV at 3/29/2011 2:28:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:28:01 AM" ) )8:28 PM yesterday
• The Red Forest of Chernobyl
  by JMV at 3/29/2011 2:27:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:27:33 AM" ) )8:27 PM yesterday
• @all good night will check if i get up, enjoy..
  by fitter at 3/29/2011 2:27:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:27:18 AM" ) )8:27 PM yesterday
• @peter yes thats were i am hoping some of you can figure out what the water source is chenicaly...we know TEMPCO can't do it Then isolate the pathway as a best guess... where are the robots... it is possible that the lowerer floors are in beter shape, but they need a robot in there to check it out... was at one site Tenzing sent that they were talking about infaray i think (looking through the walls) talked about needing BIG crane to set the ewuipment... but i came back here to say good night will go back there tommarow
  by fitter at 3/29/2011 2:26:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:26:28 AM" ) )8:26 PM yesterday
• @jim carver- last thing I'll say on the trees. The actual foliage is up quite high. They're mostly trunk. They have adapted. Unless they're fake. lol
  by Maureen Burke at 3/29/2011 2:26:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:26:07 AM" ) )8:26 PM yesterday
• @RadioGuy Maybe because it was an illegal failssafe with the option of leaking the radioactive water into the ocean?
  by Salvador at 3/29/2011 2:25:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:25:55 AM" ) )8:25 PM yesterday
• @borrrden Yes, they kept saying those were not above background from Japan's "nuclear history"
  by RadioGuy at 3/29/2011 2:25:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:25:51 AM" ) )8:25 PM yesterday
• @all I was wondering about the possibility of chat rooms off to the side or something. Or like some one said PM?
  by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 2:25:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:25:09 AM" ) )8:25 PM yesterday
• I finally figured out what the NHK article on plutonium was trying to say. I thought it was weird that they were saying they only found plutonium "that can be seen as a result of the reactor" in 2 spots, while the document we all saw says they found some at all 5 spots. Looking at the document again ( www.meti.go.jp ) I realize that all the numbers in the righthand column are within the limits of everyday soil (i.e. not elevated). The bottom number on both sides shows the range of normal soil readings.
  by borrrden at 3/29/2011 2:25:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:25:04 AM" ) )8:25 PM yesterday
• That image makes the tunnels look more like they are overflow for the turbine rooms. Would make sense in the instance of a water leak in the turbine rooms. They are far from "puddles" and TEPCO etc. called them. saposjoint.net
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 2:25:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:25:01 AM" ) )8:25 PM yesterday
• @Salvador , yeah. I still see a round rim at the top. If you study the objects on the pictures showing the hall with the reactor under maintenance, the only other solid object with a round rim is the reactor vessel lid.
  by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 2:24:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:24:47 AM" ) )8:24 PM yesterday
• Yes, rubber-lined they said
  by RadioGuy at 3/29/2011 2:24:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:24:34 AM" ) )8:24 PM yesterday
• @radioguy, agreed. And do we know if the trenches are lined?
  by Alaskan at 3/29/2011 2:24:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:24:11 AM" ) )8:24 PM yesterday

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• I'm having trouble understanding the rationale of TEPCO sometimes. Why would they say that the trench was for cabling if it was for emergency overflow, and if it wasn't, this last failsafe is just a fortunate accident? Is that what they're pleading? Why?
  by RadioGuy at 3/29/2011 2:23:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:23:41 AM" ) )8:23 PM yesterday
• @Tenzing The only big green object I've seen is the dropped crane in the No. #4 reactor building. Are you refering to that one?
  by Salvador at 3/29/2011 2:22:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:22:56 AM" ) )8:22 PM yesterday
• Trenches/wires. Looks like CNN is original source. news.maars.net
  by Scilla at 3/29/2011 2:22:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:22:47 AM" ) )8:22 PM yesterday
• @fitter, the NHK graphic is really simplistic. I had the impression they served as some sort of water overflow on top of being access tunnels. That sounds about like what your saying too. The supposedly don't have a direct link to the ocean and they are not saying about other connections to those tunnels.
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 2:22:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:22:41 AM" ) )8:22 PM yesterday
• @Bobby1 true
  by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 2:22:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:22:27 AM" ) )8:22 PM yesterday
• Hopefully this will work, here is the site that had the trench diagrams as posted earlier. According to this, these are not just "puddles" as TEPCO is saying, the diagram is showing that the water is just inches or feet from the overflow of the end of the trenches, and that there were sandbags put around the ends to stop overflow. saposjoint.net
  by wtm at 3/29/2011 2:22:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:22:17 AM" ) )8:22 PM yesterday
• @Alaskan The trees are on a hill, it is unclear whether the tsunami reached them.
  by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 2:22:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:22:08 AM" ) )8:22 PM yesterday
• @Maureen Burke Yeah, true, but tolerant is one thing, I think submerged is another.
  by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 2:21:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:21:59 AM" ) )8:21 PM yesterday
• 

  @marie rich Nah, it's NOT square. It's round. Here is the other picture one last time, the steam is obscuring it a bit, but one can see the round form: i.imgur.com

  by Salvador via I.imgur at 3/29/2011 2:21:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:21:30 AM" ) )8:21 PM yesterday
• @pj, tolerance for salt varies by species of tree. Since these are coastal trees -- they look like some sort of pine to me -- they may be somewhat tolerant to salt spray. But that doesn't mean they can stand having their roots totally inundated by seawater, if they are growing in areas below the height of the tsunami.
  by Alaskan at 3/29/2011 2:21:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:21:17 AM" ) )8:21 PM yesterday
• @Salvador are you looking at the object that looks green in color and kinda like a huge pipe fitting?
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 2:20:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:20:46 AM" ) )8:20 PM yesterday
• Has anyone discovered a way to private message each other? It might ease some traffic on the page?
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 2:20:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:20:37 AM" ) )8:20 PM yesterday
• @pj Being so close to the ocean they must be either native and/or chosen to withstand at least some salt.
  by Maureen Burke at 3/29/2011 2:20:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:20:31 AM" ) )8:20 PM yesterday
• @wtm was responding to other question, every plant i work in here in the US (diferent regs) will have emergency dicharge piping darainage systems... they get labeled HAZARDS waste sometimes and run to a water treatment plant... some of the photos look like they have a waste treatment plant there on site, but without some plant phots and plans its hard to tell what you are looking at.... even when you have the plans to look at it very hard to tell what line you are chasing... they will be color coded and labeled... i am trying to find more plant info but it is classifed for security reasons,,,, i don't think that diagram they are showing is for anything other than basic info, so all level of people can understand it..
  by fitter at 3/29/2011 2:19:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:19:38 AM" ) )8:19 PM yesterday
• @Alaskan I'm with you. There's not enough radiation to effect the trees. The plants were the first to inhabit the land and they'll be the last to leave. Much more tolerant than mammals.
  by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 2:19:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:19:37 AM" ) )8:19 PM yesterday
• www.nsc.go.jp neat tidbit i overlooked a couple days ago in the JAIF report notes.
  by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/29/2011 2:19:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:19:19 AM" ) )8:19 PM yesterday
• I have an idea for compiling updates. People seem to come on in shifts based on where they are geographically. IE: I tend to be on between 7am CST and 10pm CST. I see many of the same people and those who overlap in the AM & PM due to their schedules or time zone. Maybe we set up teams for time sections and people on those teams cut and paste links and critical info from that time period. It would be easy enough to drop into a text file and when your done for the day post an update to a scribd file we could set up. I would be afraid an update here would be huge or maybe not? George has been sort of doing that with the links. I think maybe more on details we know or have figured out would be useful. IE: the containment cap issue, significant changes to reactors etc.
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 2:18:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:18:57 AM" ) )8:18 PM yesterday
• @Salvador it looks square to me. i think its spent fuel pool
  by marie rich at 3/29/2011 2:18:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:18:31 AM" ) )8:18 PM yesterday
• @Maureen Burke My thought was that exposure to seawater might not sit so well with the trees. I don't know anything about trees, but can't imagine they're a big fan of salt.
  by pj at 3/29/2011 2:17:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:17:51 AM" ) )8:17 PM yesterday
• @Anyone who needs a break, maybe some laughter I thought it was funny and I really don't now why ;) www.youtube.com
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 2:17:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:17:40 AM" ) )8:17 PM yesterday
• @Salvador, in your other photo I'm wondering what that big object that looks like it is lying sideways could be. That big thing is just behind the lid you boxed in
  by one time at 3/29/2011 2:16:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:16:33 AM" ) )8:16 PM yesterday
• Nite elaine.... you have done great! :)
  by janelle at 3/29/2011 2:16:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:16:17 AM" ) )8:16 PM yesterday
• @Patrick Kelly mine or kyodo's translation? it is their latest advisory
  by ricky at 3/29/2011 2:15:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:15:50 AM" ) )8:15 PM yesterday
• 400
  by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 2:15:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:15:31 AM" ) )8:15 PM yesterday
• @wtm I believe, 300 is about the max ?
  by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 2:15:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:15:19 AM" ) )8:15 PM yesterday
• @pj- Since day 1 I have had a thought rolling around in my head...Do you think there's any chance the trees are fake and rusting/corroding?
  by Maureen Burke at 3/29/2011 2:14:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:14:53 AM" ) )8:14 PM yesterday
• We've been through the tsunami v. radiation discussion re brown trees before. Don't know if there's consensus within this group. I'm in the Tsunami camp but would like hypsography to verify.
  by Alaskan at 3/29/2011 2:14:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:14:41 AM" ) )8:14 PM yesterday
• @fitter, I believe your assessment sums it up pretty well. The thing is, if some of the sprayed water gets in contact with the core or the rods in the pool and fission is occurring, the nuclide composition in the run off reflects it.
  by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 2:14:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:14:40 AM" ) )8:14 PM yesterday
• JAIF update shows #1 reactor pressure up higher, anybody know at what point they are going to have to vent it ??? If they can ???
  by wtm at 3/29/2011 2:14:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:14:21 AM" ) )8:14 PM yesterday
• 

  3 was turned upside down. i.imgur.com

  by Salvador via I.imgur at 3/29/2011 2:13:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:13:16 AM" ) )8:13 PM yesterday
• @Peter Melzer The round object you refer to as "blackened blob" in No. 3 reactor has a form unlike the containment lid from the pictures of reactor building #4. Here, have another look, I can't imagine that those two objects could be one and the same, even if the one in No-
  by Salvador at 3/29/2011 2:12:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:12:56 AM" ) )8:12 PM yesterday
• otherwise the plan seems to stand pat.
  by RadioGuy at 3/29/2011 2:12:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:12:49 AM" ) )8:12 PM yesterday
• The only two action items from Edano's press conference were: expand testing zones, and drain the water from the trench for Reactor 1.
  by RadioGuy at 3/29/2011 2:12:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:12:34 AM" ) )8:12 PM yesterday
• @Maureen Burke Yeah, they didn't look so great to me either...but I also wonder about whether it could just be exposure to sea water from a tsumani (sp?) rather than something more sinister
  by pj at 3/29/2011 2:12:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:12:13 AM" ) )8:12 PM yesterday
• @ Dennis Tucker- I was just thinking that the trees are looking rather dry.
  by Maureen Burke at 3/29/2011 2:11:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:11:11 AM" ) )8:11 PM yesterday
• @Dennis Tucker Jr To compare trees, look at these pictures
  by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 2:10:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:10:44 AM" ) )8:10 PM yesterday
• @Jim Carver maybe not these guys, but with the help of other countries...
  by mtl at 3/29/2011 2:09:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:09:51 AM" ) )8:09 PM yesterday
• The trenches don't connect to the sea but the NYT article George just posted mentioned that water might be leaking into the sea now from the tunnels or one of them.
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 2:09:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:09:39 AM" ) )8:09 PM yesterday
• @Dennis Tucker Jr Trees looked the same. They're heavily loaded with pollen cones this time of year, which may explain a lot.
  by RadioGuy at 3/29/2011 2:09:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:09:26 AM" ) )8:09 PM yesterday
• It's pretty easy to edit the word, then post a revision to the PDF. The e-mail account I created is yours to use however -- it's a throwaway account.
  by Markfm at 3/29/2011 2:09:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:09:18 AM" ) )8:09 PM yesterday
• @Elaine: Sleep well!
  by Apollo at 3/29/2011 2:08:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:08:41 AM" ) )8:08 PM yesterday
• @elainekirk Nite thanks for all the help
  by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 2:08:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:08:23 AM" ) )8:08 PM yesterday
• Hi all.. Few questions built up here: Has anyone checked for any increase in the trees' brown coloring from the TEPCO cam?
  
  "Water may not have been released to Pacific": do we forget how soil acts as a filter for water to eventually find it's way home?? The whole land area around the trenches will be completely 'hot'!
  
  And last, did anyone else take notice of the extreme amount of heat distortion in the latest videos on NHK? Not a good sign. Heck, maybe it's not even heat!
  by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/29/2011 2:08:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:08:07 AM" ) )8:08 PM yesterday
• I read that there is wiring in the trenches, too.
  by Scilla at 3/29/2011 2:07:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:07:59 AM" ) )8:07 PM yesterday
• aaaand, I find it as soon as I post. Sigh. www3.nhk.or.jp NHK story about tunnels with illustration.
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 2:07:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:07:49 AM" ) )8:07 PM yesterday

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• g'night all :) must sleep 'tis nearly morning
  by elainekirk at 3/29/2011 2:07:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:07:43 AM" ) )8:07 PM yesterday
• @Maureen Burke Cool. I kinda thought it would be like that someday.
  by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 2:07:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:07:25 AM" ) )8:07 PM yesterday
• @Markfm Thanks Mark - that last email with instructions ended up in the junk folder - but i'm go to go now
  by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 2:07:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:07:19 AM" ) )8:07 PM yesterday
• I can't find the original article that had cross section illustrations etc. This mentioned the tunnels used for cable & pipes also. jen.jiji.com
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 2:07:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:07:12 AM" ) )8:07 PM yesterday
• @wtm I cannot see them allowing any trench the led seawards Hunterston gas cooled had a unintentional 'connection' twixt seawater and reactor and ended up with seawater in their reactor
  by elainekirk at 3/29/2011 2:06:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:06:53 AM" ) )8:06 PM yesterday
• I don't know how useful this will be b/c the doc is in japanese, but figured i'd post: Detection of radioactive material on the soil of the premises of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station www.meti.go.jp
  by dtinla at 3/29/2011 2:06:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:06:44 AM" ) )8:06 PM yesterday
• @Matsuoko, the spent fuel pools show up as squarish openings. The black blob on the left has got some circular attachment on top.
  by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 2:06:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:06:44 AM" ) )8:06 PM yesterday
• As I've all but abandoned the Facebook Group page, feel free to use it as a place to store info, documents, video, links etc...
  by Maureen Burke at 3/29/2011 2:06:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:06:31 AM" ) )8:06 PM yesterday
• @wtm justvrelaying what nancy said.
  by marie rich at 3/29/2011 2:06:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:06:06 AM" ) )8:06 PM yesterday
• An update! www.jaif.or.jp
  by es at 3/29/2011 2:06:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:06:05 AM" ) )8:06 PM yesterday
• @mtl That is theoretically possible. I don't know how well it would work in practice. It would take a large membrane with the right size molecular sieve. I don know if these guys could pull it off.
  by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 2:05:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:05:37 AM" ) )8:05 PM yesterday
• @marie rich, wiring & cabling where ???? out towards the ocean ???? The control rooms are in the other side of the site. If there was cabling in these trenches, you would have heard news reports about electrical and other signalling systems not working because of the radioactive water in the trench. No mention of any of that Sorry, these are backup Emergency water relief trenches !!!!
  by wtm at 3/29/2011 2:05:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:05:07 AM" ) )8:05 PM yesterday
• @Tenzing i don't understand the rad info well enough to know if you guys or them can tell if its pool water or reator water... but when i look at the damage of the buildings, have rebuild non nuke plants after explosions... piping/mecahnial systems do not do well under the conditions they show, but part of the reason the tops of the buildings (except three) blow off it to control the force, similar to when they implode a building... so its possible the building is in better shape that it appears and we just see all the rubble... look back at the actual pic of the brown ferry under construction.... every nozzle is a potentenial leak never mind the pipe it connects to .... personal opion --unless your rad info shows different the water is from pools and core... just don't know if the vessel is cracked or its the pipe, maybe the torus ??/ I don't know that i believe #3 is even intack... was going to look at some imploder people sites and ask them.. thats what they do for a living is blow things IN... the water from the trench is defently making its way from the reator building... they have been duming water in there for how long... Water is so fluid it is a bitch to chase... that why every thing leaks at some point... i want to read over the info you sent earlier.. seen some intersting things..
  by fitter at 3/29/2011 2:05:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:05:03 AM" ) )8:05 PM yesterday
• @ricky I hope that's a translation problem.
  by Patrick Kelley at 3/29/2011 2:04:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:04:54 AM" ) )8:04 PM yesterday
• You could scribd a summary, and George could add a link to it in his scribd doc.
  by Markfm at 3/29/2011 2:03:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:03:47 AM" ) )8:03 PM yesterday
• @ll To clear up all the confusion: The two pictures with the red boxes I posted are actually showing a structure in reactor No. 3. reactor. I have looked at this so long that I forgot to post from which reactor the shot is. That was a stupid error on my side. This error produced confusion and a discussion of the yellow No. 4 reactors containment vessel lid, which prompted me to post a still of that object again, so everyone who was talking could have a look. The yellow object is not in any way related to my earlier question about the two stills I posted with red boxes marking the object of interest in the number #3 reactor. I hope this clears things up. Thanks to everyone who tried to help me.
  by Salvador at 3/29/2011 2:02:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:02:58 AM" ) )8:02 PM yesterday
• @borrrden And we're top of the list... (active anyway)... Good stuff.. Thank you again George!
  by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/29/2011 2:02:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:02:50 AM" ) )8:02 PM yesterday
• 
  by VeenOui via Pointscope01.jp at 3/29/2011 2:02:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:02:31 AM" ) )8:02 PM yesterday
• just wondering... would it be possible to collect the radioactive water and put it through a reverse osmosis filtre, so that it could be used again for cooling?
  by mtl at 3/29/2011 2:02:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:02:16 AM" ) )8:02 PM yesterday
• NEWS ADVISORY: Radioactive water not confirmed to have seeped into sea from reactor trench (10:54)
  by ricky at 3/29/2011 2:01:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:01:42 AM" ) )8:01 PM yesterday
• @wtm Nancy says its for wiring/cable.
  by marie rich at 3/29/2011 2:01:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:01:33 AM" ) )8:01 PM yesterday
• @es I've been thinking about that a lot. But I really don't have a good idea to present. Modifications to this page take some programming.
  by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 2:01:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:01:18 AM" ) )8:01 PM yesterday
• @FradyKat, time to get a new computer monitor !!!!!
  by wtm at 3/29/2011 2:01:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:01:10 AM" ) )8:01 PM yesterday
• Must sleep. G'night all, and thanks.
  by es at 3/29/2011 2:01:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:01:05 AM" ) )8:01 PM yesterday
• @Nancy Dunno. 'Fraid I can't offer to write them up just now!
  by es at 3/29/2011 2:00:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:00:45 AM" ) )8:00 PM yesterday
• Yes, would be great to have a summary of links/info every 12 hours
  by Yuri at 3/29/2011 2:00:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:00:25 AM" ) )8:00 PM yesterday
• rt.com
  by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 2:00:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:00:20 AM" ) )8:00 PM yesterday
• The effects of the radiation are starting to get to me. My eyes are sooo puffy.
  by FradyKat at 3/29/2011 2:00:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:00:10 AM" ) )8:00 PM yesterday
• @marie rich, not according to the diagram I saw earlier. the trench goes right trough the turbine room up to the reactor itself. It could be dual purpose so as to be used for any spills from the turbine room area, but I would almost bet that its primary purpose is to allow any spills from the reactor/torus to have a relief AWAY from the reactor. The trench is constructed to hold a specific volume of water, before it would then overflow, with the direction and the ground around the end being graded towards the ocean.
  by wtm at 3/29/2011 1:59:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:59:41 AM" ) )7:59 PM yesterday
• @Salvador, in the twin set you posted first, I thought the blackened object under the debris is the yellow dome we see in the picture you posted later, only upside down. The later image must be taken from #4. The dome is sitting upright in the corner where it is supposed to be when the reactor has been opened. The twin set with the blackened blob, however, looked like from #3.
  by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 1:58:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:58:54 AM" ) )7:58 PM yesterday
• Good luck, we are now on page 193.
  by MaryW at 3/29/2011 1:58:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:58:52 AM" ) )7:58 PM yesterday
• Morning, Do you mean this one RadioGuy? fukushima.wikispaces.com
  by borrrden at 3/29/2011 1:58:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:58:52 AM" ) )7:58 PM yesterday
• @es excellent idea!
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 1:58:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:58:50 AM" ) )7:58 PM yesterday
• @es LOL....I just read......wonder if we should publish occasional submarines through our findings.....daaaaaaaaaam
  by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 1:58:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:58:40 AM" ) )7:58 PM yesterday
• Yesterday evening I think
  by RadioGuy at 3/29/2011 1:58:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:58:37 AM" ) )7:58 PM yesterday
• @Nancy ...Maybe on the FaceBook page?
  by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 1:58:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:58:18 AM" ) )7:58 PM yesterday
• @Dennis Tucker Jr Someone posted one earlier, so it's in the pages somewhere.
  by RadioGuy at 3/29/2011 1:58:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:58:07 AM" ) )7:58 PM yesterday
• www.reuters.com
  by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 1:57:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:57:52 AM" ) )7:57 PM yesterday
• @es, suggestion on what to do? I thought maybe a wiki? lots of things being rehashed and I am sure I missed too.
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 1:57:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:57:33 AM" ) )7:57 PM yesterday
• @all Just a thought - I wonder if we should consider publishing occasional summaries of our findings, to prevent too much repetition and wasted brain energy?
  by es at 3/29/2011 1:56:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:56:53 AM" ) )7:56 PM yesterday
• Does anyone have (or is there even a public access one) a link to a SPEEDI model for projected fallout patterns? Both air and sea, pleasenthankyou.
  by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/29/2011 1:56:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:56:16 AM" ) )7:56 PM yesterday
• Missed the beginning of Edano's current PC - can anyone recount what he said (if anything)?
  by NiDan at 3/29/2011 1:56:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:56:15 AM" ) )7:56 PM yesterday
• www.nytimes.com
  by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 1:56:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:56:09 AM" ) )7:56 PM yesterday
• @Marie, the trenches were made for running pipe and cable that normally were just put underground. I don't know if they were an addition here or original to the plant. They were not for water containment.
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 1:56:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:56:01 AM" ) )7:56 PM yesterday
• About half way down this page there is a picture of the maintenance deck with the containment lid off. It gives a bit of an idea what that now blown out area looks like inside. totallycoolpix.com
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 1:54:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:54:57 AM" ) )7:54 PM yesterday

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• @wtm and @fitter As I understand it the steam condensate system to the turbine room is a closed system that doesn't normally get radioactive. The very well could be drainage trenches for an accidental pipe rupture to drain water from turbine room. That would just be regular water.
  by marie rich at 3/29/2011 1:54:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:54:45 AM" ) )7:54 PM yesterday
• www.bloomberg.com
  by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 1:54:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:54:09 AM" ) )7:54 PM yesterday
• periphreal areas. the site is screwed
  by Pat at 3/29/2011 1:53:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:53:44 AM" ) )7:53 PM yesterday
• @Nancy NHK confirms that is the lid.
  by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 1:53:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:53:36 AM" ) )7:53 PM yesterday
• Sorry, I just jumped back on. #4 was in maintenance mode. In looking at some other images and talking to people who know these reactors. The cranes in the buildings are that funny industrial green. The cap was off on #4 for maint. so wasn't "blown off" but it looks like it got knocked around in the blast.
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 1:53:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:53:30 AM" ) )7:53 PM yesterday
• That list of cover ups really makes GE look bad !!!!!
  by wtm at 3/29/2011 1:53:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:53:16 AM" ) )7:53 PM yesterday
• @Nancy i thought we were talking now about the pictures from #3 far down on this page. no?
  by Matsuoko at 3/29/2011 1:53:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:53:10 AM" ) )7:53 PM yesterday
• In the video Mareen recently put on, they explain that the yellow lid (also in picture Salvador put on) is the upper lid of containment vessel. ...lid has been opened by the hydrogen explosion.
  by MaryW at 3/29/2011 1:52:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:52:54 AM" ) )7:52 PM yesterday
• Did he just say drain? Not Pump?
  by Pat at 3/29/2011 1:52:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:52:31 AM" ) )7:52 PM yesterday
• and the green thin is the crane.
  by Maureen Burke at 3/29/2011 1:52:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:52:18 AM" ) )7:52 PM yesterday
• @ All. Are you trying to figure out what the big yellow thing is in the corner of the building? If so that was posted last night. We determined it is the containment lid for #4
  by Nancy at 3/29/2011 1:51:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:51:53 AM" ) )7:51 PM yesterday
• @Salvador a crane ? some lifting device ?
  by Matsuoko at 3/29/2011 1:51:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:51:46 AM" ) )7:51 PM yesterday
• @salvador- It's the containment lid. Watch the video I just posted.
  by Maureen Burke at 3/29/2011 1:51:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:51:40 AM" ) )7:51 PM yesterday
• @Peter Melzer What are your thoughts regarding those screenshots/stills? Any idea what this object could be?
  by Salvador at 3/29/2011 1:50:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:50:54 AM" ) )7:50 PM yesterday
• @Peter Melzer ja, this is number 3 a hole in the floor to the spent fuel pool i guess.
  by Matsuoko at 3/29/2011 1:50:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:50:43 AM" ) )7:50 PM yesterday
• @wtm Hey, how about both...have the site go up from built up water pressure AND vent some water out into the ocean? ~shakes head~
  by pj at 3/29/2011 1:50:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:50:34 AM" ) )7:50 PM yesterday
• I f the trench isfilled with water via the turbine room, then they have to pump out both the trench and the turbine room before they can ???whatever they are going to do. Enough Space? No comment on where to put all the water
  by Pat at 3/29/2011 1:50:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:50:26 AM" ) )7:50 PM yesterday
• @fitter, if you look at the diagram of the trenches listed earlier, it gives the dimensions of where they are , how long they are, and such. These are NOT utility trenches. They go towards the ocean, with the ends just above the ground outside the site, and the ground tilting away towards the ocean. TEPCO may never have wanted to use these, but I would bet that these were part of the original design for safety measures for the site. They are emergency "last minute" safety overflow trenches for water from the facility. Something to "Vent" water (under pressure) away from the reactor. As such TEPCO may put sand bags around them to try to stop overflow from them, but they know what they are there for, so they will NEVER try to cap them up or permanently cover them. They have to be available as a last minute emergency relief mechanism. Rather have the site go up from built up water pressure (steam release ?) or vent some water out into the ocean ???
  by wtm at 3/29/2011 1:49:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:49:18 AM" ) )7:49 PM yesterday
• @Matsuoko, I meant the blow ups with the red boxes at the bottom of this page.
  by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 1:49:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:49:05 AM" ) )7:49 PM yesterday
• @fitter look under Reactors: background it's about a 1 1/2 pages down
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 1:48:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:48:58 AM" ) )7:48 PM yesterday
• @fitter www.reuters.com which is what Tenzing had posted a bit back...
  by pj at 3/29/2011 1:47:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:47:46 AM" ) )7:47 PM yesterday
• @Pat And Unit 2 trench reportedly contains 6200m3 of highly contaminated water.
  by es at 3/29/2011 1:47:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:47:43 AM" ) )7:47 PM yesterday
• @pat did he explain how he knew how much was in there?
  by elainekirk at 3/29/2011 1:47:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:47:42 AM" ) )7:47 PM yesterday
• @Pat Re Unit 3 - just that the trench contained 4200m3 water. No raditaion data available.
  by es at 3/29/2011 1:46:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:46:24 AM" ) )7:46 PM yesterday
• @pj which pic are you looking at i can't type and read this fast
  by fitter at 3/29/2011 1:46:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:46:20 AM" ) )7:46 PM yesterday
• @Salvador Thank You!!
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 1:45:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:45:25 AM" ) )7:45 PM yesterday
• @Peter Melzer ... yeh...one of those "Let's try this and see what happens!" ideas...not so good when you're playing with a live reactor...
  by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 1:45:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:45:18 AM" ) )7:45 PM yesterday
• @fritter is it possible the containment suppression chamber was damaged and the water eventually leaked into the trench? scroll down on this page and you'll find a diagram that should explain what I'm trying to say? www.world-nuclear.org
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 1:45:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:45:05 AM" ) )7:45 PM yesterday
• 

  @ll I'm sorry if I confused someone. Here is the round object/ sphere from No. 4 reactor again: i.imgur.com

  by Salvador via I.imgur at 3/29/2011 1:44:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:44:59 AM" ) )7:44 PM yesterday
• The video below explains (in english) what we're looking at.
  by Maureen Burke at 3/29/2011 1:44:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:44:25 AM" ) )7:44 PM yesterday
• @jay77 , at least it has got a containment building. But also keep in mind that the operators at Chernobyl were running a very riskee untried shutdown procedure on that fateful day.
  by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 1:43:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:43:49 AM" ) )7:43 PM yesterday
• 10 cm is the same BUT BUT BUT I thought they said they couldn't find the 3rd reactor trench because hof debris. Did he say anything sprcifically about that trench?
  by Pat at 3/29/2011 1:43:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:43:40 AM" ) )7:43 PM yesterday
• by Maureen Burke at 3/29/2011 1:42:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:42:54 AM" ) )7:42 PM yesterday
• oop...what I'm wondering is what the huge thing in the front down two panels is - it bend the structure out, and it looks big.
  by pj at 3/29/2011 1:42:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:42:51 AM" ) )7:42 PM yesterday
• @Tenzing Thank you - it's the hazy yellow thing in the back, then? What I
  by pj at 3/29/2011 1:42:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:42:27 AM" ) )7:42 PM yesterday
• @Peter Melzer : if you refer to the video with the yellow cab in the rubbish, that was #4.
  by Matsuoko at 3/29/2011 1:42:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:42:16 AM" ) )7:42 PM yesterday
• @pj Top of the building far left down 2 panels. far top left corned of building, there thats better
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 1:41:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:41:46 AM" ) )7:41 PM yesterday
• The trench contains water from t he floor/basement of the turbine bldg which is from highly radiactive water from the reactor.
  by Pat at 3/29/2011 1:41:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:41:27 AM" ) )7:41 PM yesterday
• @Peter Melzer: The two stills I posted show No. 3 from the last SDF- video published. You are correct.
  by Salvador at 3/29/2011 1:41:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:41:23 AM" ) )7:41 PM yesterday
• @Apollo Hoot
  by marie rich at 3/29/2011 1:40:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:40:32 AM" ) )7:40 PM yesterday
• @Tenzing Can you explain the position of that again - front corner or back left to start with?
  by pj at 3/29/2011 1:40:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:40:25 AM" ) )7:40 PM yesterday
• @Matsuoko ...sorry, my bad...I understood Salvador to say that pic was of building #3...I knew #4 was down
  by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 1:40:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:40:18 AM" ) )7:40 PM yesterday
• @Salvador, I assumed the pictures show #3. Is that correct?
  by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 1:40:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:40:18 AM" ) )7:40 PM yesterday
• @Apollo lol
  by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 1:40:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:40:11 AM" ) )7:40 PM yesterday
• @fitter it is building No. 4 if you hover over the photo it comes up
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 1:40:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:40:05 AM" ) )7:40 PM yesterday

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• @Peter Melzer Makes me cringe to think that places like Iran are starting to building these. Interesting article from 3 days before the earthquake about an incident during start-up www.bloomberg.com
  by jay77 at 3/29/2011 1:40:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:40:04 AM" ) )7:40 PM yesterday
• @All: Okay, I found my flag.
  by Apollo at 3/29/2011 1:39:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:39:53 AM" ) )7:39 PM yesterday
• @MaryMary : ah, it's rector #4.
  by Matsuoko at 3/29/2011 1:39:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:39:39 AM" ) )7:39 PM yesterday
• @all anyone see weight of the containment lid..... also when posting damage pic could you please list which one, they all look alike now!!! If that is building #4 i also think it could be the containment lid
  by fitter at 3/29/2011 1:39:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:39:03 AM" ) )7:39 PM yesterday
• @MaryMary : yes it was open for maintenance !
  by Matsuoko at 3/29/2011 1:38:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:38:48 AM" ) )7:38 PM yesterday
• NISA is requesting Tepco to monitor groundwater...No overflow of trenches as of yet ~10cm from ground level still.
  by gabe at 3/29/2011 1:37:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:37:46 AM" ) )7:37 PM yesterday
• @wtm what do you base the trench being a overflow for reactor water.... even japan would not permit that.... it might happen as now, but could not possibly be the design... have i missed something
  by fitter at 3/29/2011 1:36:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:36:50 AM" ) )7:36 PM yesterday
• @Salvador ...yow...I hope they are wrong about which reactor it was...I don't think having the containment vessel lid from a loaded reactor laying in the corner is a good thing....
  by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 1:36:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:36:18 AM" ) )7:36 PM yesterday
• @George Gibb Yeah, I was lost. Had been searching and came back in the middle of a dust-up. Went back to searchin ;)
  by marie rich at 3/29/2011 1:35:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:35:50 AM" ) )7:35 PM yesterday
• Look at the photo on this page it's the back of reactor No. 4 from March 22 2011 and you can see the reactor vessel head in the on the left second panel down and in. I also found it in a photo from March 16 2011 which happens to be the day Mr TEMPCO became unavailable. www.reuters.com
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 1:35:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:35:44 AM" ) )7:35 PM yesterday
• @MaryMary The pictures I posted come from No. 3 reactor. But I remember the discussion yesterday about the yellow spherical object in No. 4. It was kater identiefied by a NHK expert as the cap of the containment vessel.
  by Salvador at 3/29/2011 1:34:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:34:32 AM" ) )7:34 PM yesterday
• @JMV, in color it looks a benign yellow. Check out my link: www.ustream.tv
  by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 1:34:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:34:16 AM" ) )7:34 PM yesterday
• @marie rich or Grizzly cranked him up - I still don't understand what Grizzly was upset about
  by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 1:34:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:34:05 AM" ) )7:34 PM yesterday
• @JMV :)
  by Matsuoko at 3/29/2011 1:33:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:33:57 AM" ) )7:33 PM yesterday
• @tenzing yes thanks i was reading some of the other ones you sent.. thanks... want to think on the configurations tonight..
  by fitter at 3/29/2011 1:33:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:33:48 AM" ) )7:33 PM yesterday
• @Peter Melzer Irony! The nuke ops begged not to run that urbine coasting experiment. They made them do it at gun point.
  by marie rich at 3/29/2011 1:33:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:33:31 AM" ) )7:33 PM yesterday
• @George Gibb That is very neat. Betcha he borrowed some ideas, heh heh...
  by marie rich at 3/29/2011 1:32:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:32:21 AM" ) )7:32 PM yesterday
• @ Matsuoko - That thing is not only huge - it is ugly - looks like something a Klingon would build.
  by JMV at 3/29/2011 1:32:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:32:11 AM" ) )7:32 PM yesterday
• @jay77 , no kidding. When I was a student and TMI happened, the leftists on campus argued that such accident would never happen in a Soviet power plant, because they were run by well-meaning Sovietmenschen and not by the capitalists. True!
  by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 1:32:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:32:09 AM" ) )7:32 PM yesterday
• @all now that the pc is up (thats brownferry i belive) count all the nozzles (pipes/connections) comming out of the contaimetant vessel.... everyone is a potential breach, even if the vessel itself did not fail...
  by fitter at 3/29/2011 1:32:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:32:02 AM" ) )7:32 PM yesterday
• *observation/opinion* here's something (else) they're not talking about.. Plutonium239 when exposed to moist air forms oxides and hydrites that expand the sample 70%. It then turns into a silvery powder which can spontaneously combust. I'd hate to think of sufficient quantities of it rising on a STEAM column, then precipitating as powder on the ground. A fire near the units would not be a good thing.
  by marie rich at 3/29/2011 1:31:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:31:38 AM" ) )7:31 PM yesterday
• @marie rich Ya he stopped in to check out the site i guess
  by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 1:31:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:31:18 AM" ) )7:31 PM yesterday
• Not sure if this was posted earlier, it's an amazing piece on the invisible president of TEPCO: www.washingtonpost.com
  by Apollo at 3/29/2011 1:30:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:30:24 AM" ) )7:30 PM yesterday
• @fitter: did you get this? TEPCO's Damage Cover-up and Data Falsification cnic.jp
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 1:30:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:30:12 AM" ) )7:30 PM yesterday
• @Tenzing i'm a little swamped right now but I'll get on it soon.
  by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 1:29:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:29:40 AM" ) )7:29 PM yesterday
• @MaryMary No kidding!
  by pj at 3/29/2011 1:28:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:28:25 AM" ) )7:28 PM yesterday
• @pj ... you get kind of a feel for size when you see the men standing on the torus (suppression ring)...these things are hugemongous
  by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 1:27:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:27:56 AM" ) )7:27 PM yesterday
• @Maureen Burke They had an analyst on NHK say the same thing earlier today while showing the same video (yellow lid)
  by jay77 at 3/29/2011 1:27:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:27:51 AM" ) )7:27 PM yesterday
• Sorry just had a surprise reboot
  by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 1:27:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:27:46 AM" ) )7:27 PM yesterday
• @George Gibb were you able to add those photos yet?
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 1:26:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:26:06 AM" ) )7:26 PM yesterday
• @MaryMary Whoa - that thing is huge! You just can't get the scale from the images we're seeing...
  by pj at 3/29/2011 1:26:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:26:01 AM" ) )7:26 PM yesterday
• 

  www.tva.gov another picture from vessel lid

  by Matsuoko via Tva.gov at 3/29/2011 1:25:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:25:54 AM" ) )7:25 PM yesterday
• @marymary...(I'll look through my history to find it) There was analysis( by someone who is knowledgeable) of a video of a flyover. He identified it.
  by Maureen Burke at 3/29/2011 1:25:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:25:48 AM" ) )7:25 PM yesterday
• @MaryMary , I thought that as well. But if it is, it must have ended up upside down. The contraption is usually yellow. Look here: www.ustream.tv at 4:28.
  by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 1:25:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:25:44 AM" ) )7:25 PM yesterday
• @Tenzing Holy cow. That's amazing (World Nuclear Association quote)... Good to know that massive nuclear meltdowns respect geopolitical boundaries. Chernobyl wasn't really a 'western' problem.
  by jay77 at 3/29/2011 1:25:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:25:16 AM" ) )7:25 PM yesterday
• Sorry - should have been @Matsuoko -
  by pj at 3/29/2011 1:25:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:25:10 AM" ) )7:25 PM yesterday
• 

  links to pics of inside reactor building here... www.nucleartourist.com ... this shows the vessel lid.. www.nucleartourist.com

  by MaryMary via Nucleartourist at 3/29/2011 1:25:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:25:03 AM" ) )7:25 PM yesterday
• @fitter Or SWAG... ;)
  by pj at 3/29/2011 1:24:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:24:47 AM" ) )7:24 PM yesterday
• World Nuclear Association Fukushima Accident 2011 March 26, 2011 Fuel ponds: background www.world-nuclear.org
  
  Used fuel needs to be cooled and shielded. This is initially by water, in ponds. After about three years under water, used fuel can be transferred to dry storage, with air ventilation simply by convection. Used fuel generates heat, so the water is circulated by electric pumps through external heat exchangers, so that the heat is dumped and a low temperature maintained.
  
  There are fuel ponds near the top of all six reactor buildings at the plant, adjacent to the top of each reactor so that the fuel can be unloaded under water, when the top is off the reactor pressure vessel and it is flooded. The ponds hold some fresh fuel and some used fuel, pending its transfer to the central used/spent fuel storage on site. (There is some dry storage to extend the site's capacity.) From here it is periodically shipped for reprocessing, that being now to Rokkasho for recycling.
  
  At the time of the accident, unit 4's pond also held a full core load of 548 fuel assemblies while the reactor was undergoing maintenance, these having been removed at the end of November.
  
  The temperature of these ponds is normally low, around 30°C when circulation is maintained with the Fuel Pool Circulation and Clean-up (FCP) system, but they are designed to be safe at about 85°C in the absence of pumped circulation (and presumably with low fuel load). They are about 12 metres deep, so the fuel is normally covered by 7 metres of water.
  
  Unit 3 & 4 ponds are about 12 x 10 metres, with 1220 and 1590 assemblies capacity respectively (unit 1 is about 12 x 7 m, 900 assemblies). Unit 4 pond has a total 1535 assemblies, giving it a heat load of about 3 MW thermal, according to France's ISRN, which in that case could lead to 115 cubic metres of water boiling off per day, or about one tenth of its volume. Unit 3's pool contains 566 fuel assemblies. There is no MOX fuel in any of the ponds.
  
  The central fuel storage on site has a pond about 12 x 29 metres, 11 m deep, with capacity of 3828 m3 and 6840 fuel assemblies. Its building is about 55 x 73 m. (There are 6375 assemblies in the undamaged central pool storage on site, with very low decay heat, and 408 in dry cask storage - utilized since 1995 for used fuel no longer needing much cooling.)
  
  
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 1:24:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:24:31 AM" ) )7:24 PM yesterday
• @matsucodo good one, and you are the supplier of the electric... or should be
  by fitter at 3/29/2011 1:23:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:23:43 AM" ) )7:23 PM yesterday
• @pj .... estimation.
  by Matsuoko at 3/29/2011 1:23:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:23:42 AM" ) )7:23 PM yesterday
• @Matsuoko That was what was weird - seawater doesn't boil at 100C, which is why the number seemed like conjecture. Sadly, a lot of what we're hearing feels like that...
  by pj at 3/29/2011 1:22:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:22:44 AM" ) )7:22 PM yesterday
• @Maureen Burke ...I thought so...somewhere there were pics of the inside of that reactor building during re-fueling and you could see how big that lid is. Which has made me wonder what it did inside the building during the explosion...if it wasn't actually on the reactor vessel itself, would it have been blown around in that area?
  by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 1:22:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:22:08 AM" ) )7:22 PM yesterday
• @wtm my thoughts exactly I did give a link to the report
  by elainekirk at 3/29/2011 1:22:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:22:04 AM" ) )7:22 PM yesterday
• @pj well when it steams, they have 100°. that's the only sure thing they can say.
  by Matsuoko at 3/29/2011 1:21:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:21:47 AM" ) )7:21 PM yesterday

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• irradiated sea water*
  by marie rich at 3/29/2011 1:21:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:21:20 AM" ) )7:21 PM yesterday
• @wtm I'm real sure they lost rad water to sea, and I think they suspect it, too. Cl36 is an isotope formed from irradiated water. It came from inside somewhere.
  by marie rich at 3/29/2011 1:20:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:20:53 AM" ) )7:20 PM yesterday
• @marie rich Yeah, I wondered. I saw data quite a few days back with 100C, but nothing since then. It was a weird number given that they had been pumping in seawater for a while at that point.
  by pj at 3/29/2011 1:19:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:19:05 AM" ) )7:19 PM yesterday
• @marie rich they simply don't know.
  by Matsuoko at 3/29/2011 1:18:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:18:53 AM" ) )7:18 PM yesterday
• @marymary- The yellow thing? That is the containment lid.
  by Maureen Burke at 3/29/2011 1:18:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:18:51 AM" ) )7:18 PM yesterday
• @MaryMary That went around as speculation for a while, but since there's no way to know for sure, it fell by the wayside.
  by RadioGuy at 3/29/2011 1:18:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:18:36 AM" ) )7:18 PM yesterday
• @pj They have never given spf temps except for #5 and #6. No data
  by marie rich at 3/29/2011 1:18:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:18:11 AM" ) )7:18 PM yesterday
• @elainekirk, sure they said that !!!! The trenches are too deep, too long, and go out towards the ocean. I think the control rooms are in the opposite direction from them. NO, these are Emergency overflow trenches, designed for exactly what is happening, to VENT leaking water from the plant outside, TOWARDS the ocean !!!!!!! If they had cabling in them it would be told about shorts and electrical hazzards that are happening. Absolutely no mention of that. These were designed to do what they are doing, TEPCO is just trying to cover up the fact that they may in fact DUMP radioactive water into the ocean. If they were just cabling trenches, why not just seal them off with a cover or dirt or something, NO they have to be available as an emergency last minute vent of leaking water from the plant to go somewhere (???)
  by wtm at 3/29/2011 1:17:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:17:29 AM" ) )7:17 PM yesterday
• @Salvador ...did anyone ever answer you about the round objects in the pics? I believe that is the lid of #4's containment vessel....I'm sure someone who actually knows will correct me if I'm wrong...it's not the reactor itself's lid
  by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 1:17:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:17:21 AM" ) )7:17 PM yesterday
• @Meretisa Flattering!
  by marie rich at 3/29/2011 1:17:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:17:06 AM" ) )7:17 PM yesterday
• Have there been any updates on temperatures in the spent fuel pool(s)?
  by pj at 3/29/2011 1:16:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:16:39 AM" ) )7:16 PM yesterday
• @fitter : what good is electricity when there's nothing more that u can connect. ;)
  by Matsuoko at 3/29/2011 1:16:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:16:32 AM" ) )7:16 PM yesterday
• @Maureen Burke It's very sad
  by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 1:16:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:16:23 AM" ) )7:16 PM yesterday
• @marie rich I know I was SO floored that he'd do that. Very cool, huh??
  by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 1:16:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:16:23 AM" ) )7:16 PM yesterday
• This is another perspective or insult depending upon the place you call home. World Nuclear Association Safety of Nuclear Power Reactors "In avoiding such accidents the industry has been outstandingly successful. In over 14,000 cumulative reactor-years of commercial operation in 32 countries, there have been only two major accidents to nuclear power plants - Three Mile Island and Chernobyl, the latter being of little relevance outside the old Soviet bloc." www.world-nuclear.org
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 1:16:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:16:16 AM" ) )7:16 PM yesterday
• @George I didn't know til tdy that Richard Baum of Reuters has visited our blog
  by marie rich at 3/29/2011 1:15:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:15:56 AM" ) )7:15 PM yesterday
• @rusty Dean drops in regularly
  by RadioGuy at 3/29/2011 1:15:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:15:32 AM" ) )7:15 PM yesterday
• He is, um, slightly less forthcoming with his wealth of knowledge though.
  by Maureen Burke at 3/29/2011 1:15:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:15:29 AM" ) )7:15 PM yesterday
• @matsuco what good is a pump when it looks like there is no pipe to hold it... wonder what the fire hoses are rated at. Hope they have a lot
  by fitter at 3/29/2011 1:14:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:14:56 AM" ) )7:14 PM yesterday
• Good to hear.. I learned a lot from him. Thanks guys..
  by rusty at 3/29/2011 1:14:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:14:33 AM" ) )7:14 PM yesterday
• @rusty From time to time Dean drops in usually once or twice a day
  by gabe at 3/29/2011 1:13:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:13:40 AM" ) )7:13 PM yesterday
• @rusty Welcome. Yes, he has. Not here at moment though.
  by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 1:13:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:13:19 AM" ) )7:13 PM yesterday
• Has Dean (from the Reuters blog) been posting on this site? Just found this.. Glad it's here..
  by rusty at 3/29/2011 1:12:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:12:39 AM" ) )7:12 PM yesterday
• @mainejen ok
  by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 1:11:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:11:46 AM" ) )7:11 PM yesterday
• @George: maybe pin union of concerned scientists daily briefing & blogI'm a little swamp link:http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power/nuclear_power_risk/safety/japan-nuclear-crisis-briefings.html
  by mainejen edited by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 1:11:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:11:26 AM" ) )7:11 PM yesterday
• Where can I find a map showing the actual (not projected) path of the radiation plume from 3/11 to-date.
  
  Thank you.
  by MM11 at 3/29/2011 1:11:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:11:12 AM" ) )7:11 PM yesterday
• @radioguy I find it hard to believe that you would make a watertight (seemingly ) pool for cables??/ that is why I asked earlier if they could have done it to relieve pressure in the early days
  by elainekirk at 3/29/2011 1:10:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:10:53 AM" ) )7:10 PM yesterday
• @Markfm Thanks Mark
  by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 1:10:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:10:41 AM" ) )7:10 PM yesterday
• @wtm i can't figure out what the trenchs are. but one report said that it was pipe and electric which would make sence, but not an open end so close to the ocean, unless they only contained clean systems.... and the dirty water is finding its way from the containent blds to the ternch...
  by fitter at 3/29/2011 1:10:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:10:10 AM" ) )7:10 PM yesterday
• Plots of reactor data - Fukushima Daiichi - Units #1--#3 www.ic.unicamp.br
  by marie rich edited by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 1:09:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:09:49 AM" ) )7:09 PM yesterday
• from the today's point of view they would have made a complete different consttruction ... too late
  by Matsuoko at 3/29/2011 1:09:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:09:44 AM" ) )7:09 PM yesterday
• Today's News 28Mar11
  
  Highly radioactive water leaks outside Japan's nuclear plant building www.telegraph.co.uk
  
  Highly radioactive water found in tunnel outside nuclear plant www.cnn.com
  
  Hazardous Radiation Detected Outside Damaged Japanese Reactor www.bloomberg.com
  
  Japan Fears Nuclear Reactor Is Leaking Contaminated Water www.nytimes.com
  
  Highly radioactive water leaks from Japanese nuclear plant www.reuters.com
  
  Analysis: Japan crisis stirs worries about leadership vacuum www.reuters.com
  
  Radiation in Japan seawater spreads north www.cbc.ca
  
  Low levels of radiation detected in Massachusetts' rainwater www.digitaljournal.com
  
  Radiation in seawater may be spreading in Japan www.independent.co.uk
  
  Radiation spreads to Japan's soil, seawater www.msnbc.msn.com
  
  Radioactive water being removed from Fukushima plant rt.com
  
  Japan's nuclear protest rt.com
  
  More on Fukushima nuclear disaster rt.com
  
  www.addedasahi.com
  by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 1:09:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:09:37 AM" ) )7:09 PM yesterday
• Links I find useful.
  www3.nhk.or.jp www.teThere pco.co.jp www.tepco.co.jp earthquake.usgs.gov english.kyodonews.jp www.denphone.com allthingsnuclear.org www.theoildrum.com japan.failedrobot.com www.asknumbers.com
  by Ralph Unger edited by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 1:09:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:09:33 AM" ) )7:09 PM yesterday
• For any who would like to show their national flag as an avatar, they are available here.. commons.wikimedia.org To add an avatar: logout, then use the Avatar browse (just left of the Login button) then log back in
  by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 1:09:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:09:24 AM" ) )7:09 PM yesterday
• @RadioGuy Ooops!
  by es at 3/29/2011 1:09:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:09:15 AM" ) )7:09 PM yesterday
• @elainekirk Oh... so they're saying their last line of defense was accidental?
  by RadioGuy at 3/29/2011 1:08:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:08:55 AM" ) )7:08 PM yesterday
• @wtm Tepco say they put the trenches in for cabling and pipes as they were a trip hazard above ground , now you may want to believe them or you may not.....
  by elainekirk at 3/29/2011 1:08:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:08:03 AM" ) )7:08 PM yesterday
• Round up of News Articles and Useful Links www.scribd.com
  by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 1:07:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:07:41 AM" ) )7:07 PM yesterday
• @wtm Reactor one's trench is 10cm from overflowing.
  by RadioGuy at 3/29/2011 1:07:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:07:38 AM" ) )7:07 PM yesterday
• This whole thing reminds me of an old proverb/saying..."Drop a frog in a pan of hot water and it will jump out immediately...but put it in a pan of cold water and turn on the heat and it will sit there until it is cooked"....if yesterday was March 10th and today was March 28th...
  by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 1:07:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:07:31 AM" ) )7:07 PM yesterday
• Anyone know the elevation of the trenches as compared to sea level? What I wonder is why those trenches weren't already full of sea water from the tsumani if they were at all water tight. And I really liked the part about closing the drainage in the tunnel/trench with sandbags and concrete. Uh, do they hold water or do they not?
  by pj at 3/29/2011 1:07:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:07:09 AM" ) )7:07 PM yesterday
• @Maureen Burke That about sums it up:)
  by gabe at 3/29/2011 1:06:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:06:57 AM" ) )7:06 PM yesterday
• @es thanks. don't know why my sound didn't work. tried both links. :P
  by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 1:06:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:06:29 AM" ) )7:06 PM yesterday
• We need more water. We also need less water....sigh.
  by Maureen Burke at 3/29/2011 1:06:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:06:19 AM" ) )7:06 PM yesterday
• @elainekirk Greed comes at a price!
  by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 1:06:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:06:17 AM" ) ) Monday March 28, 2011 7:06 PM

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