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hudebnik, maybe. But there seem to be lots of what seems obvious not happening. I don't know if it is that they know it won't work due to factors they know and we don't or if it is limited thinking on their part. I know they do have US robots in country and ready to use. This was over the weekend. Not sure why nothing is being said.

by Nancy at 3/29/2011 12:06:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:06:45 PM" ) )6:06 AM
good comment we can see golf and the superbowl, but not the reatcors

by fitter at 3/29/2011 12:05:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:05:17 PM" ) )6:05 AM
@Pedro, what have you heard for trying to shut and close the entire mess down? Sounded like Dean mentioned to you material removal?

by Nancy at 3/29/2011 12:04:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:04:48 PM" ) )6:04 AM
tenzing i have to get some work accomplished today!!! if you see any photo's/info on #3 can you email me so i can address, won't be able to monitor site today and with some info can piece some assumsion together.. also sent Dean your link by the time he came back it wa 21 page back...he found parg 5 intersting.. I wonder what other systems are not critical 1

by fitter at 3/29/2011 12:04:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:04:29 PM" ) )6:04 AM
It's surprising tho that they haven't set up some sort of HD cameras on cherrypickers for real-time observation - the fairly mobile sort used to cover golf on TV could give a lot of info.

by hudebnik at 3/29/2011 12:02:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:02:44 PM" ) )6:02 AM
@fitter We might be doing a good job here but I bet the experts on the field are and always will be a few steps ahead of us.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 12:02:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:02:32 PM" ) )6:02 AM
Here is a satellite image. The position of the spend fuel pool is on the south- east side of the building, on the side next to No. 4 reactor. i.imgur.com

by Salvador via I.imgur at 3/29/2011 12:02:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:02:17 PM" ) )6:02 AM
@Nancy Indeed, security cameras can be easily broken with a stone throw.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 12:01:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:01:00 PM" ) )6:01 AM
@pedro and you think we are going to see them!!! this group here has do better damage control info than TEPCO and the media!!! we are the best think tank ive seen on net

by fitter at 3/29/2011 12:00:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:00:33 PM" ) )6:00 AM
@fitter, unless they had them in some sort of explosion proof shrouds the cameras are toast. Even reinforced outdoor security cameras are pretty fickle.

by Nancy at 3/29/2011 12:00:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:00:09 PM" ) )6:00 AM
@fitter I agree, I've been wondering that myself.

by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 11:59:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:59:25 AM" ) )5:59 AM
@Nancy According to dean, securing and then removing the fuel and spent fuel would be the best and safest option. But that takes a long, long time.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 11:59:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:59:25 AM" ) )5:59 AM
@fitter I don't think the cameras can withstand hydrogen explosions though. If they had inside monitoring cameras they must have been blown up. But according to what I read a while ago the robots on the scene are equipped with cameras so we should have quality photos produced in the near time, after the are analysed by the experts. They won't release them before that.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 11:58:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:58:22 AM" ) )5:58 AM
@Salvador: can we get another image of bldg 3 roof line. one that gives orientation and perspective to the other bldgs?

by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 11:57:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:57:32 AM" ) )5:57 AM
@Salvador, if I have time this afternoon I might try putting it on our large HD monitor and see if I can do some photo manipulation to pull out details better. It might give some answers. But I think your right in your estimates.

by Nancy at 3/29/2011 11:57:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:57:24 AM" ) )5:57 AM
@salvador im going to hunt mechanical sites today, i don't know that i think #3 still exist??? I was just wonder before post if they are taking debre from site and analizing like we do on planes... this should be taken out of the control of

by fitter at 3/29/2011 11:56:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:56:59 AM" ) )5:56 AM
@Pedro, I agree. They are different animals. That is why the calls to just sandbag it are not happening. I explained it to someone the other day as a big zit that would eventually erupt, blow up or burn down. Do you think they will have to physically remove the material? From what I had heard they were talking about trying to dump enough boron and tin to lock them up and stop the reaction.

by Nancy at 3/29/2011 11:56:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:56:30 AM" ) )5:56 AM
@Nancy No, sorrry, those images are all video screenshots. The quality isn't very good. And yes, it is building number #3.

by Salvador at 3/29/2011 11:56:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:56:23 AM" ) )5:56 AM
@ Salvador, what building is that? Is it #3? Your estimates look potentially correct to me with those blown up photos. I grabbed the link photo and put on my reading glasses. Do you have access to a high resolution copy of the original image? I might be able to do some photo tricks on our large HD monitor.

by Nancy at 3/29/2011 11:54:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:54:41 AM" ) )5:54 AM
Thank you Tenzig. @Fitter The rest of the No. 3 reactor building. Was that a "joke"?

by Salvador at 3/29/2011 11:54:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:54:19 AM" ) )5:54 AM
@Salvador Great stuff. Very ¡lluminating, and I agree that looks probable.

by es at 3/29/2011 11:54:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:54:18 AM" ) )5:54 AM
@fitter its bldg 3

by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 11:54:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:54:13 AM" ) )5:54 AM
@Nancy Once again Fukushima and Chernobyl can't be compared. In Chernobyl the reactor's explosion scattered most of the critical nuclear fuel around the nuclear plant and beyond.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 11:53:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:53:45 AM" ) )5:53 AM
@salvador what building????

by fitter at 3/29/2011 11:52:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:52:54 AM" ) )5:52 AM
@all the camara issue seems like a $ vs can do??? how do the cameras that we send to other plants exist but not here?? (not my field)

by fitter at 3/29/2011 11:52:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:52:30 AM" ) )5:52 AM
@Salvador: Excellent work! I agree with your positioning.

by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 11:51:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:51:42 AM" ) )5:51 AM
@Nancy Encasing is the last task. Before that they must secure the rods and that could take months to years according to some experts.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 11:51:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:51:31 AM" ) )5:51 AM
Morning all. WTM, what I have heard is that they are trying to get things to a stable situation where they can start inserting boron and or tin into the reactors and sfps. Media "experts" have said the next step is to sandbag and encase. But there have been lots of concern about entombing like chernobyl being this is in a quake zone.

by Nancy at 3/29/2011 11:50:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:50:21 AM" ) )5:50 AM
@Christine Yes, but technology has advanced since '86. The cameras shown on the link posted earlier are designed to withstand those levels of radiation and higher.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 11:50:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:50:06 AM" ) )5:50 AM
@NHK Listener I see. My understanding was that any compromise in containment of the reactor vessel which leads to a release of radioactive material amounts to a breach. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

by es at 3/29/2011 11:49:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:49:37 AM" ) )5:49 AM
what building??

by fitter at 3/29/2011 11:49:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:49:37 AM" ) )5:49 AM
2011-03-29
Earthquake Report 36 www.jaif.or.jp

by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 11:48:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:48:45 AM" ) )5:48 AM
Sorry people, but could some take a look at the picture I just posted? You can enlarge the view by following this link i.imgur.com

by Salvador via I.imgur at 3/29/2011 11:48:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:48:34 AM" ) )5:48 AM
@George Gibb Good morning

by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 11:48:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:48:11 AM" ) )5:48 AM
Morning George... afternoon here. =)

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 11:48:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:48:08 AM" ) )5:48 AM
good moring geoge

by fitter at 3/29/2011 11:47:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:47:53 AM" ) )5:47 AM
Morning All

by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 11:45:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:45:27 AM" ) )5:45 AM
Regarding the cameras - they had problems during the Chernobyl cleanup with radioactivity nuking (pardon the pun) the electrical components.

by Christine at 3/29/2011 11:45:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:45:16 AM" ) )5:45 AM
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by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 11:43:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:43:44 AM" ) )5:43 AM
@es Still not confirmed as a breach.. It could just be overflow

by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 11:42:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:42:35 AM" ) )5:42 AM
@NHK Listener Sure. I think it's the first time they've admitted outright there being a breach in all three.

by es at 3/29/2011 11:41:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:41:30 AM" ) )5:41 AM
@James Ward I understand completely. I only trust those numbers because they have been consistently corroborated by other sources, including the US Military. But I wouldn't put my hand on fire for them.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 11:40:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:40:11 AM" ) )5:40 AM
@es Not real surprising. Melted down and pumped into the turbine building as overflow..

by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 11:38:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:38:43 AM" ) )5:38 AM
So, either they can't access inside the buildings yet, until they clear more rubble, or the footage hasn't been disclosed to the media and public yet.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 11:38:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:38:42 AM" ) )5:38 AM
@Pedro Jesus No slam on you, but I really wish I could trust those radioactivity numbers from TEPCO. Based on their past and current track record for truthfulness, I'm having trouble believing anything they report.

by James Ward at 3/29/2011 11:38:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:38:05 AM" ) )5:38 AM

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@you I would bet more

by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 11:37:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:37:19 AM" ) )5:37 AM
@Pedro Jesus At least

by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 11:37:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:37:06 AM" ) )5:37 AM
So if I understood well they should now have 6 robots on the scene plus the two drones taking aerial pictures, is that correct?

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 11:36:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:36:13 AM" ) )5:36 AM
@NHK Listener Just catching up on the latest status report. This admission is interesting: "It is presumed that radioactive material inside the reactor vessel would have leaked outside the containment vessel at unit-1, 2 and unit-3, based on the investigation of the water sampled at turbine building."

by es at 3/29/2011 11:36:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:36:05 AM" ) )5:36 AM
I've tried to work my own understanding of the No. 3 reactor building into a graphic. The base for this rather large "map" are the released SDF videos from mach 15th and march 27th. i.imgur.com

by Salvador via I.imgur at 3/29/2011 11:34:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:34:39 AM" ) )5:34 AM
correction 4 packbots from I-robot

by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 11:33:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:33:21 AM" ) )5:33 AM
www.computerworld.com

by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 11:32:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:32:26 AM" ) )5:32 AM
www.engadget.com

by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 11:31:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:31:27 AM" ) )5:31 AM
@Pedro Jesus There are robots there. One doing rad monitoring around the plant and 2 pack bots from the usa

by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 11:30:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:30:10 AM" ) )5:30 AM
www.jaif.or.jp

by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 11:29:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:29:09 AM" ) )5:29 AM
@NHK Listener Some have been released. I've seen some on NHK not long ago. Maybe a hour back. But nothing from close to the reactor containment vessel. My guess is, even if they find the breach now there is nothing they can do about it until temperature drops down to safe limits so they won't waste workers exposure time on that. What I don't understand is why the robots haven't arrived yet.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 11:25:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:25:11 AM" ) )5:25 AM
My guess is that there is lots of camera shots and video footage. Just not released yet

by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 11:22:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:22:29 AM" ) )5:22 AM
@alblee They might be waiting for those robots to be deployed. I think the robots can work cameras like that.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 11:14:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:14:52 AM" ) )5:14 AM
Before I go, @Pedro Jesus and @ifz, so there's no big reason why some articulating crane rig could not be used to lower such a camera to inspect closeup of the reactor containment for, say, structural integrity issues or spent fuel pool configurations, etc. I know I am being too simplistic, but, a part of me is saying, hey, perhaps something could be rigged up. Thanks.

by alblee at 3/29/2011 11:09:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:09:46 AM" ) )5:09 AM
@ifz Good stuff. Are they using such equipment in the scene yet? I have seen footage from quite close to the damaged reactor so I would assume they are.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 11:06:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:06:43 AM" ) )5:06 AM
Keep up the great chatter, folks. I just have to step away for a while, be back perhaps 1500GMT. Take care.

by alblee at 3/29/2011 11:06:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 11:06:15 AM" ) )5:06 AM
Wow, @ifz, so what's Tepco saying about the difficulty of obtaining damage surveillance images because cameras won't work in those harsh conditions at Fukushima? I had found that odd, and it was more than a week ago they said that. Thanks a lot!

by alblee at 3/29/2011 10:58:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:58:37 AM" ) )4:58 AM
@alblee: www.ahlberg-electronics.com

by ifz at 3/29/2011 10:55:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:55:52 AM" ) )4:55 AM
Great links, @elainekirk and @NHK Listener. Now, new literature to digest, and new in-between lines to read.
You continue to do an amazing thing, @Brad. A lot of people are going to benefit.

by alblee at 3/29/2011 10:55:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:55:47 AM" ) )4:55 AM
@elainekirk www.tepco.co.jp It shows a drop in radiation since last spike at 4:20 AM. Good news. They've been consistently dropping for some days now and they're closing in at 100 microSv.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 10:55:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:55:42 AM" ) )4:55 AM
@brad that looks great thank you so much hard work you have done !. I will sticky your post .

by elainekirk at 3/29/2011 10:55:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:55:34 AM" ) )4:55 AM
A documental showed at belgian TV last sunday (in dutch, sorry): www.deredactie.be . How does a SFP looks like during an earthquake: look from 40'00'' till 40'20''. For French-speaking people also look from 30'15'' till 31'52'': very intyeresting to see how "they" do comunications .

by sublimator at 3/29/2011 10:52:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:52:43 AM" ) )4:52 AM
www.tepco.co.jp

by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 10:52:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:52:06 AM" ) )4:52 AM
I throw a stome up into the air with this one: Might there not be some sort of hardened camera (still or video), specifically for radiation environments, where it stays functional because of body/case shielding and being fitted with a leadglass lens thingy? Thanks!

by alblee at 3/29/2011 10:49:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:49:52 AM" ) )4:49 AM
These are the latest tepco readings in Japanese www.tepco.co.jp anybody got the English language version?

by elainekirk at 3/29/2011 10:49:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:49:12 AM" ) )4:49 AM
On another interesting side note, I was with a friend having dinner in a town called Miura Kaigan last weekend. This place is a common hangout for surfers and people who enjoy the ocean. The "master" of the establishment told us that the local police had called him and asked patrons to be on the lookout for bodies in the surf. I have a hard time imagining victims coild was this far south, but it was a bit surreal at the moment.

by NiteSpawn at 3/29/2011 10:47:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:47:53 AM" ) )4:47 AM
Seawater radiation levels down

The Tokyo Electric Power Company says levels of radiation in seawater near the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant have dropped at 2 locations.

Seawater 50 meters north of the plant on Monday afternoon was found to contain 27 becquerels of radioactive iodine-131 per cubic centimeter, or 665.8 times higher than the regulated standard. The level at the location was 1,150 times higher than the standard on Sunday.

330 meters south of the plant, the level was 27.9 times higher than the standard on Monday afternoon, down from more than 1,000 times above the standard on Friday and Saturday.

At Iwasawa Beach, 16 kilometers south of the plant, the level was 58.8 times above the standard on Monday morning, up from Sunday's figure of 7.4 times.

Jun Misonoo of Japan's Marine Ecology Research Institute says radioactive substances that leaked into seawater from the plant is expected to initially flow south along the coast and be diluted by seawater.

The flow is likely to converge with the Japan Current off the eastern tip of Chiba Prefecture and go out into the Pacific Ocean, where the radiation concentration would likely be diluted considerably.

Misonoo urged careful monitoring of fish and shellfish for traces of radioactive substances such as cesium that come from power plants and remain in the environment for long periods.

Tuesday, March 29, 2011 16:55 +0900 (JST)
I dont wont swim on that beach!

by oli333 at 3/29/2011 10:47:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:47:18 AM" ) )4:47 AM
As soon as they manage to cool the reactors and pools down and determine the cause of the leak radiation should drop rather quickly. Well, this is the best case scenario and it's what we're all hoping for.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 10:46:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:46:15 AM" ) )4:46 AM
Cool! SURFS UP!! lol

by NiteSpawn at 3/29/2011 10:43:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:43:57 AM" ) )4:43 AM
@NiteSpawn, (speaking not as an expert in these things, but purely from a layman's view) unless there's big chunks of heavy hot debris that got lodged near the shore there, if them waves are for surfing, then the radioactivity may just get dispersed fairly quickly. I'll gladly take any rejoinder...

by alblee at 3/29/2011 10:43:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:43:22 AM" ) )4:43 AM
@albee, Yeah I'll keep my head away from the ground in Fukushima for sure. lol On and interesting side note, I remember driving around the plant in Fukushima last September looking for good surfing spots. I'll probably not make that same trip this year. ;-)

by NiteSpawn at 3/29/2011 10:39:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:39:53 AM" ) )4:39 AM
@NHK Listener, lurking in Japan, too? Thanks!

by alblee at 3/29/2011 10:38:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:38:06 AM" ) )4:38 AM
Good to know that, @Nitespawn. ICT support is vital in this day and age. Let's hope communication is something that can help smooth the way in this post-disaster scenario. Well, anything you can feed to our group that enhances the information exchange would be mighty edifying. As they say, keep your head close to the ground, but not in Fukushima, heh heh. Domo arigato.

by alblee at 3/29/2011 10:32:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:32:15 AM" ) )4:32 AM
No I provide It/Communications support for the DOD.

by NiteSpawn at 3/29/2011 10:28:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:28:54 AM" ) )4:28 AM
Thanks, @Nitespawn. I am sure any feed from your end, especially on the ground wherever you are will prove to be valuable information to our group. Mighty glad you checked in with your info. Stay cool, and stay productive. If I could I would not think twice about being there to be of some help, too. Are with formally engaged with an NGO?

by alblee at 3/29/2011 10:27:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:27:47 AM" ) )4:27 AM
Well, you know a few words, not bad. I'm doing OK, just a bit tired. Couldn't get much sleep.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 10:26:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:26:55 AM" ) )4:26 AM
Desculpa, @Pedro Jose. The Portuguese that I know may not even fill up two lines of this text entry box, but still, I hope you're having a great time. Obrigado!

by alblee at 3/29/2011 10:25:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:25:20 AM" ) )4:25 AM
I'm also involved in a roundabout way with the disaster relief effort up north, so even with being worried here about Fukushima, I'm abale at some level to put in into perspective.

by NiteSpawn at 3/29/2011 10:25:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:25:03 AM" ) )4:25 AM
The mood is much better than it has been, but it is still rather tense,

by NiteSpawn at 3/29/2011 10:23:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:23:49 AM" ) )4:23 AM
Pardon me, I should have realized it's konbanwa time over in Japan. What's the mood there? Thanks.

by alblee at 3/29/2011 10:23:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:23:17 AM" ) )4:23 AM
@alblee Ainda é bom dia. Falas português?

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 10:23:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:23:16 AM" ) )4:23 AM
I am lurking

by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 10:23:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:23:04 AM" ) )4:23 AM
Yeah, I'm near Tsurumi

by NiteSpawn at 3/29/2011 10:22:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:22:20 AM" ) )4:22 AM
Boatarde, @Pedro Jesus. :o)

by alblee at 3/29/2011 10:22:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:22:19 AM" ) )4:22 AM
Konichiwa! Thanks for your replies, @NiteSpawn {Tsurumi or Teraya near where you are?}and @Will {which part of Japan?}.
I am following from Manila, GMT+8, one hour later than you guys.
It would be great if you guys could post situationers of what it's like on the streets there, traffic, shops, everyday folk, etc, perhaps once every so often or so, or during transients. Would be good to have a connection to the environmental ambience there. Arigato!

by alblee at 3/29/2011 10:21:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:21:39 AM" ) )4:21 AM

Page 207

I'm here.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 10:21:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:21:28 AM" ) )4:21 AM
Where is everybody? this is so strange

by elainekirk at 3/29/2011 10:19:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:19:52 AM" ) )4:19 AM
Press Conference by the Chief Cabinet Secretary (March 29th, 2011, at16:06) nettv.gov-online.go.jp

by elainekirk at 3/29/2011 10:16:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:16:35 AM" ) )4:16 AM
@sheilatoulouse i've found no version with subtitles.. but someone definitely should make one

by ifz at 3/29/2011 10:09:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 10:09:55 AM" ) )4:09 AM
@alblee I also am in Japan (Kanagawa)

by NiteSpawn at 3/29/2011 9:57:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 9:57:32 AM" ) )3:57 AM
@alblee Yes I am following from Japan. I followed on Reuters before the move here too. Thanks everyone.

by Will at 3/29/2011 9:52:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 9:52:39 AM" ) )3:52 AM
opps...link: english.kyodonews.jp

by janet-k at 3/29/2011 9:49:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 9:49:00 AM" ) )3:49 AM
Q&A: How dangerous is the plutonium found at Fukushima power plant?
TOKYO, March 29, Kyodo

by janet-k at 3/29/2011 9:48:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 9:48:33 AM" ) )3:48 AM
Just curious... Anybody on board at this time who is following from Japan or aligned with JST? Thanks!

by alblee at 3/29/2011 9:29:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 9:29:28 AM" ) )3:29 AM
@Brad Many thanks. A static reference is very helpful.

by es at 3/29/2011 9:23:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 9:23:56 AM" ) )3:23 AM
WOW man, i have seen a lot of Video footage from Chernobyl, including Documentaries but this one "sorry German only" is by far more in depth and confusing at the same time.....one thing is clear, out of all those studies done 11years after the accident, so over all this time, they never ever bothered to get this one guys 20 - 30 hour video footage analysed.....boah

by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 9:23:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 9:23:16 AM" ) )3:23 AM
I've added all the messages posted to this forum on the following website. I will add more messages as time permits. www.poudreinternetservice.com

by Brad at 3/29/2011 9:21:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 9:21:31 AM" ) )3:21 AM
I found the remarks by Gorbachev citing the Chernobyl disaster as a principal catalyst for the end of the cold war really interesting.

by sheilatoulouse at 3/29/2011 9:17:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 9:17:26 AM" ) )3:17 AM
SORRY TO BOTHER YOU ALL AGAIN I was just watching this NOVA documentary about Chernobyl, filmed three years after the event, and in this, the third part, (First minute and a half) they have an animation about how US reactors are different from those used in Russia, because they use water, and I quote " This difference is crucial, because if water is lost, or boils away, the nuclear reaction slows down all by it self."

by Sin at 3/29/2011 9:14:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 9:14:30 AM" ) )3:14 AM
i don't speak german, (only english and French). If it is subtitled can you please post the link?

by sheilatoulouse at 3/29/2011 9:08:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 9:08:09 AM" ) )3:08 AM
@sheilatoulouse I saw that Google Video thanks.... right now, i am watching the German one as he is already saying that the IAEA is completly involved in the cover up of the Chernobyl disaster...much more critical than other videos i have sen

by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 9:07:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 9:07:14 AM" ) )3:07 AM
is a rungen (sp?) the same quantity as a sievert?

by sheilatoulouse at 3/29/2011 9:07:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 9:07:06 AM" ) )3:07 AM
Yeah, mine just came on as well....i give up.at least it's working ,thanks.

by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 9:05:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 9:05:53 AM" ) )3:05 AM
Same damm link and his is showing

by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 9:04:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 9:04:44 AM" ) )3:04 AM
Tepcom webcam image with time stamp 2011/03/29 18:00:50
pointscope01.jp

by alblee via Pointscope01.jp at 3/29/2011 9:04:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 9:04:31 AM" ) )3:04 AM
whose? showing what?

by sheilatoulouse at 3/29/2011 9:04:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 9:04:03 AM" ) )3:04 AM
Guess what, mine isnt showing but yours is....wth ?

by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 9:03:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 9:03:30 AM" ) )3:03 AM
(http://www.tepco.co.jp/nu/f1-np/camera/index-j.html) mine
(http://www.tepco.co.jp/nu/f1-np/camera/index-j.html) alblee

by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 9:03:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 9:03:11 AM" ) )3:03 AM
@VeenOui, this documentary, despite the sensational title, was amazing. The interviews with photographers, surviving liquidators, and Gorbachev and IAEA chiev Hans Blik were very frank and interesting.
video.google.com

by sheilatoulouse at 3/29/2011 9:02:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 9:02:38 AM" ) )3:02 AM
I am watching the German Docu. , they said that 45000 were evacuated after 24 hrs and two days later = 3 days after explosion, 135000 in a 30km radius were evacuated...uhmmmm
Further in, there is definete accusation of the IAEA covering up and 15 years later, still no truthful reports due to the fact that the same bosses still hold the upper management positions..sounds pretty damm simular to Fukushima no ?

by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 9:00:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 9:00:40 AM" ) )3:00 AM
soon K, TEPCO and NISA press conference start

by oli333 at 3/29/2011 8:58:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:58:32 AM" ) )2:58 AM
The Tepco webcam timestamp that I see is 2011/03/29 17:00:50 JST
www.tepco.co.jp

by alblee at 3/29/2011 8:57:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:57:14 AM" ) )2:57 AM
Tepco web cam seems to be back online

by alblee at 3/29/2011 8:55:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:55:34 AM" ) )2:55 AM
According to TEPCO the soil samples that tested positive for plutonium were taken a week ago

by hudebnik at 3/29/2011 8:47:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:47:54 AM" ) )2:47 AM
good night

by Matsuoko at 3/29/2011 8:47:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:47:49 AM" ) )2:47 AM
Good job, @Sin!

by alblee at 3/29/2011 8:47:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:47:23 AM" ) )2:47 AM
Thanks for all you guys keeping me company. Time to go to bed. Good night/morning/afternoon wherever you are.

by Sin at 3/29/2011 8:46:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:46:44 AM" ) )2:46 AM
@sin thank you for the links.

by dtinla at 3/29/2011 8:44:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:44:27 AM" ) )2:44 AM
Thanks, @Sin. Indeed, I monitored this on NHK English online.
Now, a window possibly opens, I initially thought after digesting that sound bite.
Hypothetically, this presents an opportunity for U.S. nuclear safety/disaster response resources to be channeled ostensibly from US military to Japan military (via US-Japan mutual defense ties) where obtuse civilian protocol might have stood in the way.
> ... The defense minister said that if there are rational reasons to call for the Self-Defense Forces'
> assistance, he will consider accepting the request. --> from Sin, ciing NHK News

by alblee at 3/29/2011 8:42:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:42:51 AM" ) )2:42 AM
Edano: Water must be pumped in to cool reactor
Japan's top government spokesman says water must be pumped continuously into the No.2 reactor at the troubled Fukushima nuclear plant, despite the leak of highly radioactive water from the unit.
Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano told reporters on Tuesday that the top priority is to prevent the reactor vessel and fuel rods from running dry and overheating.
Edano said workers are limiting the injection of water while making sure temperatures of the fuel rods are stable.
He said the contaminated water must also be removed as early as possible as a more fundamental step.
Like other reactors, the No.2 unit lost its cooling functions in the March 11th quake and tsunami. Water is being used to cool the reactors but highly radioactive water has been found building up in an adjacent turbine building and a deep trench outside, apparently leaking from the reactor container.
Workers at the plant are now struggling to cool the reactor, while controlling the release of more contaminated water.

Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:18 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp Man, he looks rough in this picture.

by Sin at 3/29/2011 8:40:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:40:47 AM" ) )2:40 AM
Kitazawa hints at bigger SDF role in Fukushima

Japanese Defense Minister Toshimi Kitazawa says Self-Defense Forces troops if asked would work to remove highly radioactive water found leaking at the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

Kitazawa spoke to reporters on Tuesday about contaminated water found in a concrete tunnel extending from the Number 2 reactor.

He said work to remove the water should be handled by Tokyo Electric Power Company first and foremost.

The defense minister said that if there are rational reasons to call for the Self-Defense Forces' assistance, he will consider accepting the request.

Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:49 +0900 (JST)
There is a video too. www3.nhk.or.jp

by Sin at 3/29/2011 8:36:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:36:22 AM" ) )2:36 AM
@Pedro Jesus : are there nukes in portugal ?

by Matsuoko at 3/29/2011 8:35:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:35:16 AM" ) )2:35 AM
@Matsuoko Unfortunately, statistics are not linear. But let's hope you're right. Lets hope Governments around the world take this as a bad omen and hasten the change to renewable energy sources.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 8:33:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:33:21 AM" ) )2:33 AM
MORE WISDOM FROM THE EDANO: via NHK NEWS FLASH >>>>>>>> Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano says the detection of trace amounts of plutonium in ground at the Fukushima Daiichi plant means the situation there is extremely serious. WELL, REALLY ?!　　　

by Sin at 3/29/2011 8:32:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:32:03 AM" ) )2:32 AM
BTW, thanks for the Chernoby Videos, i saw them before but not the german one.gonna watch it now.
I am wondering however, why there wasnt one made since 2000 ?

by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 8:30:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:30:05 AM" ) )2:30 AM
somehow this makes me optimistic.

by Matsuoko at 3/29/2011 8:27:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:27:39 AM" ) )2:27 AM
@Matsuoko See...It all works out then.

by Sin at 3/29/2011 8:26:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:26:05 AM" ) )2:26 AM
experts calculate one major nuclear accident every 10000 years statistically. if you do not count the plants, but the reactors, and there are 450 single reactors in this world, it calculates 10000 / 450 = 22 years. hello chernobyl. good thing: in fukushima we have 3 or 4 simoultaneous accidents, so these will be the last for about 66 - 88 years. during this time we should be able to develop renewables.

by Matsuoko at 3/29/2011 8:25:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:25:07 AM" ) )2:25 AM
Morning :) I'd de-lurking: www.in.odessa.ua is a good link with the last few tepco webcam shots and times so one can compare them. x

by Kat at 3/29/2011 8:24:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:24:49 AM" ) )2:24 AM
Hmmmm...I was confused.

by Sin at 3/29/2011 8:22:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:22:23 AM" ) )2:22 AM

Page 206

Ah, in the picture time code stands for 1600 and 45 seconds :-)

by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 8:22:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:22:22 AM" ) )Tuesday March 29, 2011 2:22 AM
ahhhh, the *no harm to human health* strikes again! Shippers Maintain Tokyo Route as U.S. Says Radiation Is Easily Cleaned Off www.bloomberg.com “These are extremely low levels and are easily cleaned off,” Commander Jeff Davis, a spokesman for Seventh Fleet, which is helping with recovery efforts, said by yesterday by telephone. “Even if they weren’t, they still wouldn’t rise to the level where they would cause any harm to human health.”

by dtinla at 3/29/2011 8:22:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:22:09 AM" ) )2:22 AM
sorry! 29-Mar-2011 10:00

by oli333 at 3/29/2011 8:21:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:21:59 AM" ) )2:21 AM
That doesn't make sense the last picture posted.......
They always come on the hour pretty much around 30 seconds on the dot.

by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 8:21:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:21:03 AM" ) )2:21 AM
Last pictures from tepco web cam 29.3. 16,45 www.in.odessa.ua

by oli333 via In.odessa.ua at 3/29/2011 8:19:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:19:07 AM" ) )2:19 AM
FROM NHK NEWS FLASH: 　　No major progress is reported in the effort to drain radioactive water filling the basements of turbine buildings in the Fukushima nuclear plant.　　www3.nhk.or.jp I'm serious, thats what it says.

by Sin at 3/29/2011 8:15:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:15:58 AM" ) )2:15 AM
www.mercurynews.com Scientists at UC-Berkeley keep watch on Japan radiation levels from a campus rooftop

by d_news at 3/29/2011 8:15:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:15:48 AM" ) )2:15 AM
@oli Ah just catching up I see they are thinking of nationalising tepco - I can only wonder why they have waited www.bbc.co.uk

by elainekirk at 3/29/2011 8:14:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:14:53 AM" ) )2:14 AM
Kyodo news: NEWS ADVISORY: French President Sarkozy to visit Japan on Thursday

by oli333 at 3/29/2011 8:12:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:12:20 AM" ) )2:12 AM
@oli not a good sign that is it?

by elainekirk at 3/29/2011 8:12:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:12:00 AM" ) )2:12 AM
The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.

by oli333 at 3/29/2011 8:10:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:10:15 AM" ) )2:10 AM
- checking in - goodnight jim carver : ).

by elise at 3/29/2011 8:07:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:07:40 AM" ) )2:07 AM
No picture for me either, but I wasn't able to get the pic before, too...

by Mina at 3/29/2011 8:07:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:07:12 AM" ) )2:07 AM
Personal narratives from an American doctor at Fukushima Medical University. Includes pictures. cbbstoday.org

by dtinla at 3/29/2011 8:04:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:04:20 AM" ) )2:04 AM
K

by Sin at 3/29/2011 8:04:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:04:01 AM" ) )2:04 AM
Well, I'm gonna fall asleep with a physics lecture. That always puts me right out. You guys catch the lights when you go, K?

by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 8:03:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:03:45 AM" ) )2:03 AM
Plant workers scramble to prevent radioactive water from leaking www.cnn.com

by Sin at 3/29/2011 8:03:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:03:26 AM" ) )2:03 AM
I'm here. TEPCO CAM not working for me either. Karen you're welcome and thanks for the Xray pic.

by Sin at 3/29/2011 8:01:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:01:44 AM" ) )2:01 AM
They better start treating those workers better or they won't have any.

by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 8:01:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 8:01:03 AM" ) )2:01 AM
recorded

by oli333 at 3/29/2011 7:57:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:57:05 AM" ) )1:57 AM
God, hasn't been this quiet since the first night.

by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 7:56:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:56:10 AM" ) )1:56 AM
live speech / press conference by Edano
www3.nhk.or.jp

by petra at 3/29/2011 7:55:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:55:46 AM" ) )1:55 AM
Nothing here.

by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 7:53:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:53:46 AM" ) )1:53 AM
I can't get an image either,,,I've been trying off and for 10 min or so

by d_news at 3/29/2011 7:53:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:53:29 AM" ) )1:53 AM
no image for me either

by dtinla at 3/29/2011 7:50:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:50:47 AM" ) )1:50 AM
Someone check the TEPCO webCam please
www.tepco.co.jp

by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 7:50:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:50:20 AM" ) )1:50 AM
Hey, can you guyus please check the TEPCO webCam ? i cannot get an image ??

by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 7:48:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:48:45 AM" ) )1:48 AM
by ifz at 3/29/2011 7:44:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:44:37 AM" ) )1:44 AM
Don't quite know what to make of this. Seems incomplete or parts deleted: "Additions are underlined portion
<Notice of plants and conditions in Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station>
(As of March 29, 10:00 am)
March 29, 2011
Tokyo Electric Power Company
Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station
Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station Unit total (1 to No. 6) have been halted.
Unit 1 (Down)
3:00 pm - about 36 minutes on March 12, causing a large quake epicentral, Unit 1 near the big noise
Occurred in white smoke. Could be considered a hydrogen exploded.
- Around 2:30 am on March 23 and began injecting water into the reactor water supply system.
50 minutes - about 10 am on March 24, that the white potato and the like out of steam from the reactor building roof
Verified.
- Around 11:30 am March 24, a central control room with the lights lit.
- Until now, to the reactor by injecting water Orimashita, fresh from 37 minutes on March 25 at 3:00 pm
Injection began.
- Orimashita injected into the reactor by a fire pump fresh water so far, March 29, 8:00 am
32 minutes, made a switch to an electric pump to inject temporary.
２号機（停止中）
- Noise is generated near the pressure suppression chamber at about 6:00 am March 15, the pressure drop in the same room.
Minutes around 20:06 pm - March 21, has occurred and the potato-shaped white smoke from the roof of the reactor building,
Ensure that you are reduced to almost invisible for 11 minutes at 7:00 am on March 22
Mashita.
- Until now, to the reactor by injecting water Orimashita, fresh from the minutes March 26, 10:10 am
(With boric acid) injection has started.
4:00 pm - about 46 minutes on March 26 with a central control room lighting illuminates.
- Orimashita injected into the reactor by a fire pump fresh water so far, March 27 at 6:00 pm
31 minutes, made a switch to an electric pump to inject temporary.
Unit 3 (Down)
Minutes around 1:11 am - March 14, the occurrence of white smoke and loud as the No. 1
Could be considered a hydrogen exploded.
- Around 8:30 am March 16, and also confirmed the occurrence of water vapor from the reactor building, such as.
- From around 6:15 am March 17, the indication that the increase in the pressure suppression chamber pressure,
Secure the sake of completeness, March 20, which measures the pressure drop in the reactor containment (radiation
Release into the air outside, including some of the material) was preparing to make the current state
Is not a situation that requires immediate release of the future will pay close attention to the pressure and the condition of
Need.
* At 4:00 pm on March 21, but occurred slightly grayish smoke from the reactor building in March
And changes to a whitish smoke 22 - at the time, headed for termination.
- Around 10:45 pm on March 22, a central control room with the lights lit.
1
Page 2
2
Minutes around 20:04 pm - March 23, verify that you are experiencing brownish black smoke from the reactor building
For recognition. After about 50 minutes at around 4:00 am on March 24 and 11:30 pm, our company
To ensure that employees stopped the generation of smoke.
Until now, the reactor - to Orimashita infused with sea water, fresh water from the minutes of March 25, 2:06 pm
Infusion started.
- Orimashita injected into the reactor by a fire pump fresh water so far, March 28, 8:00 pm
30 minutes, made a switch to an electric pump to inject temporary.
No. 4 (Down in the Periodic Inspection)
- Around 6:00 am on March 15, causing a loud, check the 5th floor roof damage near the reactor building.
- March 15, in the northwest near the reactor building four floors each 16 days to review the fire, extinguishing
Contacted the police to prevent such, our people found out that both the natural fire.
- At present, the coolant leak in a containment vessel is not believed to.
No. 5 (Down in Periodic Inspection)
- We do not have secure water reactor safety issues.
5:00 am - March 19, residual heat removal system pumps (C) Start of the spent fuel pool cooling
Started.
2:30 pm - March 20, the reactor was stopped cold now, March 23 at 5:00 pm
At around 24, water pump when the power is switched temporary residual heat removal system for automatic stop.
After about 14 minutes at 4:00 pm on March 24, replaced the pump started, around 4:00 pm yesterday 35 minutes,
Cooling the reactor resumed.
- At present, the coolant leak in a containment vessel is not believed to.
No. 6 (Down in Periodic Inspection)
- We do not have secure water reactor safety issues.
- Emergency Diesel Generator (A) has completed repairs.
Minutes around 14:10 pm - March 19, residual heat removal system pumps (B) Start the spent fuel pool
Cooling started.
1:27 - 7:00 pm March 20, the reactor was stopped cold now.
• About two alternative residual heat removal system pumps water, 38 minutes at 3:00 pm and 3:00 pm on March 25
Made a switch from the supply of temporary power set at 42 minutes.
- At present, the coolant leak in a containment vessel is not believed to.
Spent fuel pool cooling work today
- While checking the status of the spent fuel pool in the future, you would like to discharge as required
Rimasu.
Persons Injured
Our employees in the field - two names, whereabouts unknown (occurs March 11)
- March 24, in the basement and first floor of Unit 3 turbine building, cable been working more
Three workers were subcontractors for about 170mSv see more doses. About two of them
They, make sure your feet skin contamination, but we decontamination, there is a possibility of beta radiation burns
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Ru was determined that, for transport to the Fukushima Medical University Hospital. The March 25,
Fukushima Medical University Hospital also moved to the remaining one, then in general radiology, Chiba
The hospital a total of three National Institute for the hospital on 28 March.
However, regarding this event, committed during work management and strict control of radiation exposure further
The order to summarize lessons learned and future countermeasures for the event, and we do explain to the country.
Prior to the work, and to inform those concerned, Mairi Every effort will manage future
The.
Other
Car campus power plants - Monitoring (outdoor) of radioactive material (such as iodine) through measurements
Has risen from normal values, as follows, the provisions of paragraph 1 of Article 15 of Law on Special Measures Concerning Nuclear Emergency
Rating based on certain events (abnormal rise in the site boundary radiation dose) is determined to have occurred.
17:04 pm - minute decision December 3 (MP4 close)
8:00 am - 56 minute decision May 13 3 (MP4 close)
- Determine the 13 at 2:15 pm 3 (MP4 close)
3:00 am - 50 minute decision May 14, 3 (MP6 close)
4:15 am - judge May 14 3 (MP2 and around)
9 am - 27 minute decision May 14, 3 (MP3 vicinity)
9:00 pm - 37 minute decision March 14 (near the main gate of the power plant)
6:00 am - 51 minute decision on March 15 (near the power plant main gate)
11:08 am - minute decision on March 15 (near the main gate of the power plant)
17:04 pm - minute decision on March 15 (near the main gate of the power plant)
Decision minutes - 15 March 5:11 pm (near the power plant main gate)
8:00 am - 58 minute decision 19 3 (MP5 close)
However, 500μSv readings / h is exceeded then, 500μSv / h decrease in the vicinity, repeatedly rising
Or if, we continue to have the same event, Article 15 of the Nuclear Emergency Response Act again
Certain events pursuant to paragraph 1 (abnormal rise in the site boundary dose) determination that has occurred
It tries to do. Abnormal value is measured obviously, but it is not the same event
If it is clear that the judge and hope to know soon.
* Because of the possibility of release of radioactive material for a radius of 20km points evacuate residents within a country
The show has been issued, from 30km to 20km radius has also been issued voluntary evacuation instructions.
- Start the injection of water into a shared pool 37 minutes at 10 am March 21, at 3:30 pm yesterday
Time has ended. (Our implementation)
37 minutes - about 3:00 pm on March 24, started supplying power to the shared pool from an external source, then
Minutes around 5:06 pm, start the fuel pool cooling pumps and began to cool in the pool.
Patrols of the building - was dry cask, not the result of abnormal appearance visual inspection,
Check the details in the future.
- 5,6 roof of the reactor building of Unit in the hole to prevent accumulation of hydrogen gas (3 points) Open
Mashita.
- Fire engines are used in irrigation and drainage to the reactor to the spent fuel pool, Fire Toukyou
Other parts of the Agency Fire Department
*
We received 12 units leased. In addition, our Niigata City Fire Department
From Hamamatsu City Fire Department and the establishment of large-scale decontamination systems, under the guidance of our management
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Rimasu.
* District Fire Department Union City Fire Defense Koriyama, Iwaki City fire department, local fire department Sukagawa regional,
Yonezawa City Fire Department, Fire Department Local Union Regional Municipality Region Development Aizu Wakamatsu city of Utsunomiya Fire
Department, Fire Department, Saitama City, Niigata City Fire Department
March 22 - before one began receiving the external power supply - Unit 6.
- Around 3:30 pm on March 27, the shaft 1溜Ma water out of the trench Unit 3 turbine building
'll Have to confirm that. Dose of water surface, the No. 1 0.4mSv / h, the No. 2 1000
mSv / h was over. As for Unit 3 is to measure the dose failure and debris
And failed. Subsequently, we will monitor the water in the shaft.
* Smitten with every effort toward securing the safety, continued monitoring of the surrounding environment
We will continue to monitor.
And over " www.tepco.co.jp

by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 7:44:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:44:31 AM" ) )1:44 AM
@sin: there is an eye opening german documentary "Der Millionensarg" about a german physicist Sebastian Pflugbeil who was inside the reaction chamber of the chernobyl reactor (together with the russians you were talking about). He concludes that only a fraction of the corium stayed there in contrast of the official 90%.

by ifz at 3/29/2011 7:44:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:44:20 AM" ) )1:44 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com Trivia: William Roentgen invented x-ray. His name now coins the measurement. The film is of his wife's hand.

by Karen Warren via 1.bp.blogspot at 3/29/2011 7:41:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:41:27 AM" ) )1:41 AM
@Sin: Thank you for the videos - still half way through the last one.

by Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 7:38:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:38:06 AM" ) )1:38 AM
Goldfish died!!!

by oli333 at 3/29/2011 7:32:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:32:00 AM" ) )1:32 AM
Regarding the seeming lack of momentum in the crisis management operations on the ground, I have read somewhere (but too many days ago) that perhaps there might be a way for the U.N. Security Council to extraordinarily proclaim a non-military security situation and authorize a non-military Coalition technoinvasion of Japan (so sorry, Japan, [I bow] but my thoughts really mean well, and I wish I could phrase it more politically correct). Thanks.

by alblee at 3/29/2011 7:24:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:24:51 AM" ) )1:24 AM
And on that light note, goodnight all. I hope I wake to find that the Japanese have invited the brightest minds in the international community to craft a solution that will have the least impact on both mother nature and the humans who depend on her for survival.

by Bev at 3/29/2011 7:24:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:24:20 AM" ) )1:24 AM
Sorry! I ran a finger three times to the same message

by oli333 at 3/29/2011 7:23:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:23:23 AM" ) )1:23 AM
@Fiona LOL! Thank you, I needed that bit of humor.

by Bev at 3/29/2011 7:20:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:20:57 AM" ) )1:20 AM
@oli333 - maybe Tepco is waiting for its 3 wishes

by fiona at 3/29/2011 7:19:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:19:26 AM" ) )1:19 AM
Tepco stories for young children: TEPCO said it hopes to swiftly find a way to remove the water from the trenches.
TEPCO has blocked the trench outlet with sandbags and concrete to prevent the water from reaching the ocean.

by oli333 at 3/29/2011 7:18:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:18:55 AM" ) )1:18 AM
Tepco stories for young children:

by oli333 at 3/29/2011 7:18:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:18:46 AM" ) )1:18 AM
@Bev - I agree - surely they must be planning something - all this bad news is rather depressing and they are dragging there feet so much I could scream - its real people who live out there and its real people who could die. Make some decisions grrrrr... rant over- time for work

by fiona at 3/29/2011 7:18:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:18:44 AM" ) )1:18 AM
Tepco stories for young children: TEPCO has blocked the trench outlet with sandbags and concrete to prevent the water from reaching the ocean. TEPCO said it hopes to swiftly find a way to remove the water from the trenches. You know what would be the water from the trench will throw into the sea. That's it.

by oli333 at 3/29/2011 7:18:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:18:41 AM" ) )1:18 AM
@Treiagonaut As much as I dislike being called a Yank, (7th generation Southerner -yank is a dirty word): We have.

by Bev at 3/29/2011 7:17:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:17:50 AM" ) )1:17 AM
@Sin Amen. They are being reactive rather than proactive. I understand the solely reactive drill during the first 48 hours. But I would have expected TEPCO and/or the GOJ to start thinking long-term solutions after that time frame. I'm afraid I was overly optimistic.

by Bev at 3/29/2011 7:15:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:15:07 AM" ) )1:15 AM
i though the yanks had been offering their advice for nearly a week now !

by Treiagonaut at 3/29/2011 7:09:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:09:04 AM" ) )1:09 AM

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@Sin Thank you for the link, bookmarked it for tomorrow. @ Fiona I haven't heard any good news in quite some time, they just dribble out bad news one teaspoonful at a time, sorry.

by Bev at 3/29/2011 7:08:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:08:38 AM" ) )1:08 AM
Mr Kan told parliament the situation at the quake-hit plant "continues to be unpredictable".

The government "will tackle the problem while in a state of maximum alert", he said, adding that he was seeking advice on whether to extend the evacuation zone around the plan.

by Treiagonaut at 3/29/2011 7:08:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:08:29 AM" ) )1:08 AM
@Bev I concur...but some better long term solution besides firetrucks and low pressure pumps has to be invented, or implemented.

by Sin at 3/29/2011 7:07:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:07:50 AM" ) )1:07 AM
The biggest question looming, as I see it, is "will a Chernobyl style solution work at Fukushima?" I'm a computational physicist , not nuclear. But everything I've read indicates a sarcophagus isn't viable due to active fuel cells and the heat generated by them. Very interested in any information on the viability of this solution.

by Bev at 3/29/2011 7:05:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:05:03 AM" ) )1:05 AM
@all-good morning from me - must have slept on this one -why are we not hearing what they are trying to do to sort this mess out - it just seems to me they give us a bit more bad news every time they have a press conference - they never seems to be any thing positive no matter how small - or am i just missing that bits!

by fiona at 3/29/2011 7:02:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:02:04 AM" ) )1:02 AM
Bev A really good documentary I watched is called "Inside the Sarcophagus" about a team of guys who work inside the actual sarcopagus under horrible conditions, with very poor equipment and no funding, in this outrageously contaminated areas, just walking around, drilling holes in the wall to take pictures of the corium....and most of the die off one by one of heart failure, but its not recognized officially that their deaths are radiation related. Its 46 minutes long. video.google.com

by Sin at 3/29/2011 6:59:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:59:04 AM" ) )12:59 AM
@ifz Great diagram and easy to follow summary along with it. I wish the producers of it had followed the chain of events further. It illustrates in layman terms what the white papers spell out in non-layman teems.

by Bev at 3/29/2011 6:57:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:57:50 AM" ) )12:57 AM
@Sin Thanks for the videos, they're both very good. I still have to finish the last one, my flash crashed.

by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 6:56:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:56:03 AM" ) )12:56 AM
@Sin I hadn't seen that video, thank you for posting. Sobering. Sad. Maddening.

by Bev at 3/29/2011 6:52:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:52:09 AM" ) )12:52 AM
@ifz That's a great detail diagram.

by radioguy at 3/29/2011 6:52:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:52:05 AM" ) )12:52 AM
@Sin @Sin - After all, its not really the Egyptians money, its the American Taxpayers !

by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 6:50:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:50:37 AM" ) )12:50 AM
@ifz @dtinla Thanks for the links.

by Sin at 3/29/2011 6:48:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:48:02 AM" ) )12:48 AM
dunno if this was posted before: Projected Radioactive Leak Path - fairewinds.com

by ifz at 3/29/2011 6:46:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:46:54 AM" ) )12:46 AM
@Lethbridgean That is a good idea! I hear Gadhafi has a lot of gold too. @ ALL I felt the second video was pertinent, because it shows how fragile the situation is at Chernobyl, that tower could have fallen at any time right through the roof, and they were just fixing it ten years later? Also, it shows the global initiative to deal with Chernobyl, like may have to happen in Japan if a similar containment of Fukushima has to be done.

by Sin at 3/29/2011 6:46:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:46:03 AM" ) )12:46 AM
here is a fairly detailed chronological timeline of nuclear accidents in japan. scroll down to march 12, 2011 at 20:05 for notation "Governmental order to pump in sea water". bnrc.berkeley.edu

by dtinla at 3/29/2011 6:44:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:44:42 AM" ) )12:44 AM
@Sin Wow, the containment structure is more technologically advanced than the reactor system. No, not really, but almost. I like the part, "the parts are built as large as possible so minimal time is spent at the site..."

by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 6:38:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:38:17 AM" ) )12:38 AM
This one i a good one...These guys have courage.

by Sin at 3/29/2011 6:37:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:37:18 AM" ) )12:37 AM
@Sin Yes, thank you.

by Bev at 3/29/2011 6:34:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:34:26 AM" ) )12:34 AM
@Jim Carver - I vote no, but I think the new Egyptian Prez should do it with Mubarak's billions, as Mohamed el Barandai may become the new prez and he was the former head of the IAEA. That would be a nice thank you to the world. The egyptians would be pissed though..Ha!

by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 6:34:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:34:15 AM" ) )12:34 AM
This explains what's going on inside a BWR during an incident with loss of power. www.osti.gov

by Bev at 3/29/2011 6:33:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:33:49 AM" ) )12:33 AM
You all want me to post another short video about the Sarcophagus?

by Sin at 3/29/2011 6:31:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:31:50 AM" ) )12:31 AM
@Sheila They keep talking about restoring the water pumps as if that is a solution. What they don't say is that most of the fuel has probably slumped to the floor of the reactor, creating a debris field that can only be surface cooled while the fuel not touched by the water continues to decay and heat up. Or in shorter terms, no idea what their real plan is but their "official" plan will not solve the heat problem.

by Bev at 3/29/2011 6:28:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:28:36 AM" ) )12:28 AM
NOTE THE UPBEAT MUSIC

by Sin at 3/29/2011 6:26:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:26:53 AM" ) )12:26 AM
@Sin Yeah I read about that. I wonder if this site could become a fund raiser for projects like that.

by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 6:25:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:25:59 AM" ) )12:25 AM
The documentary I saw said the fear was that the next Chernobyl would be..Chernobyl again.

by sheilatoulouse at 3/29/2011 6:25:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:25:25 AM" ) )12:25 AM
I think what I saw was a documentary by PBS and it was some time back, but they were afraid the current structure would collaspe and raise a huge radioactive dust cloud.

by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 6:23:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:23:58 AM" ) )12:23 AM
i'm having trouble understanding what TEPCO plans to do to stop this. Seems they just Mop-up the water and keep pumping more water. Have you all an idea how they plan to stop it from 'cooking'?

by sheilatoulouse at 3/29/2011 6:23:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:23:40 AM" ) )12:23 AM
I think the former head of the IAEA was working on fundraising for it. It will cost billions, but they already have the plan for it.

by Sin at 3/29/2011 6:22:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:22:42 AM" ) )12:22 AM
@Sin They're trying to get up more money to build something permanent. (whatever that is!)

by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 6:21:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:21:19 AM" ) )12:21 AM
@borrrden @sheilatoulouse They dumped thousands of tons of sand and lead on it to shield the radiation that was being emitted so that they could could people close enough to erect a concrete and steel structure over it. It wasn't buried. Its still just sitting there in the basement....and the ceiling is falling in, and its rusting and full of holes. It was only built to last for 30 years after all.

by Sin at 3/29/2011 6:19:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:19:38 AM" ) )12:19 AM
i miss? sorry hit enter again.

by gabe at 3/29/2011 6:16:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:16:21 AM" ) )12:16 AM
i see Tepco is giving the workers onsite the red carpet treatment. What else did

by gabe at 3/29/2011 6:15:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:15:46 AM" ) )12:15 AM
Sheila is right, they dumped a layer of lead on it prior to the concrete.

by Bev at 3/29/2011 6:15:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:15:43 AM" ) )12:15 AM
wow, just got back online after a 3hr break.

by gabe at 3/29/2011 6:14:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:14:18 AM" ) )12:14 AM
@Sheila Ground water is and will be an issue for a long time to come. The GOJ gave the order to ALL water facilities in Japan to stop collecting rainwater until further notice. Any watershed arrested by Fukushima prefecture will be affected for a long time to come. Fortunately the Pu isotopes rarely penetrate past one inch of soil, so the dangers will be less long-lived water-wise than they could be (96k years). But they will have to deal with all the radioactive isotopes resulting from Pu and Cs decay.

by Bev at 3/29/2011 6:14:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:14:07 AM" ) )12:14 AM
@sheilatoulouse They dumped concrete on it to bury it...

by borrrden at 3/29/2011 6:12:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:12:46 AM" ) )12:12 AM
Like to see where the earthquakes and nuclear power plants are on the same map? maptd.com

by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 6:12:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:12:06 AM" ) )12:12 AM
the difference TEPCO and the IAEA kept touting to respond to comparisons to Chernobyl was the presence of a containment vessel. But, since that vessel is breached there or no more protections than Chernobyl? DIdn't they dump lead on Chernobyl to cool it?

by sheilatoulouse at 3/29/2011 6:11:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:11:47 AM" ) )12:11 AM
Yikes, the movers are almost here, nearly an hour early!! Must go now, talk to you all later best wishes!

by borrrden at 3/29/2011 6:10:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:10:52 AM" ) )12:10 AM
THOUGHT: Radiation-the gift that keeps on giving.

by Sin at 3/29/2011 6:08:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:08:47 AM" ) )12:08 AM
so far ground water ok?

by sheilatoulouse at 3/29/2011 6:08:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:08:23 AM" ) )12:08 AM
As long as there are lawyers and politicians, the people will never be told the truth. Every incident, even one so potentially lethal to humankind 96k years down the road, will be downplayed, obfuscated, and covered up. It's unfortunate that people are forced to read between the lines to protect themselves and their families. Governments and corporations would rather have 100k fatalities than a single lawsuit. (BTW, I'm pro-capitalist, but recognize the dangers)

by Bev at 3/29/2011 6:08:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:08:16 AM" ) )12:08 AM
@sheilatoulouse Some layers of steel-reenforced concrete if I am not mistaken...

by borrrden at 3/29/2011 6:07:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:07:21 AM" ) )12:07 AM
i'm trying to find something to read about the risk of this hot mess 'sinking' (for lack of a better term) into the ground water under the plant. I've seen air and tap water measurements, but what about ground water? What protection is there under the reactor to prevent this?

by sheilatoulouse at 3/29/2011 6:06:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:06:41 AM" ) )12:06 AM
I'll look because something in me said he did it. My instincts are pretty good, btw.

by Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 6:06:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:06:01 AM" ) )12:06 AM

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NISA report March 28, 2011 .....www.nisa.meti.go.jp/english/files/en20110329-3-1.pdf

by elalak at 3/29/2011 6:05:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:05:57 AM" ) )12:05 AM
@ALL, just a quick note to say great going, everybody. I've been off and on, mostly off, this Tuesday at GMT+8. But great to see terrific esprit d corps! Keep chugging.

by alblee at 3/29/2011 6:05:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:05:08 AM" ) )12:05 AM
@Karen Warren You are basing your argument on a wikipedia blurb that doesn't exist anymore. Can you find another source stating that he did, in fact, order it?

by borrrden at 3/29/2011 6:05:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:05:03 AM" ) )12:05 AM
@James: That article really ticked me off, and now I'm angry (maybe, it's better than being scared to death). While, I'm at it... Kan is an idiot and a dirty politician - he's now blaming TEPCO for not having taken proper measures to withstand a 9.0 EQ and a 30m tsunami. I'm not advocating for TEPCO by any means. He made the call for salt water. He ordered it. Okay, rant over.

by Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 6:03:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:03:38 AM" ) )12:03 AM
@Karen Warren, the conditions of the 'liquidators'..how deplorable!

by sheilatoulouse at 3/29/2011 6:03:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:03:18 AM" ) )12:03 AM
@Jim Carver Exactly.

by Bev at 3/29/2011 6:02:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:02:59 AM" ) )12:02 AM
@Bobby1 I appreciate you stating that.
The impact on the US seems like it's being minimized.

by Capt at 3/29/2011 6:02:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:02:39 AM" ) )12:02 AM
@borrrden Nobel laureate George Wald once said, “Every dose is an overdose.”

by Capt at 3/29/2011 6:02:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:02:37 AM" ) )12:02 AM
@Bev No chance critticality there, all got violently separated.

by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 6:00:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:00:28 AM" ) )Tuesday March 29, 2011 12:00 AM
@borrden I regretted the end of that post as soon as I hit comment. Unfortunately there is no taking it back. The point I was trying to make, and didn't get across, is that criticality, fission chains reactions, were no longer an issue at Chernobyl, but will continue to be a remote possibility at Fukushima for the foreseeable future.

by Bev at 3/29/2011 5:58:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:58:30 AM" ) )11:58 PM yesterday
@Karen I've learned a lot lately about Japanese Culture and most is really great. But there are still hangovers from an older, darker culture that still remain.

by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 5:57:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:57:44 AM" ) )11:57 PM yesterday
@James Ward The only thing I heard was that no radiation could reach the U.S. in quantities that could be harmful to health.

by borrrden at 3/29/2011 5:55:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:55:21 AM" ) )11:55 PM yesterday
@Bev Chernobyl's radiation was released in a much worse fashion over a period of 10 days during a graphite fire. Not in an insant.

by borrrden at 3/29/2011 5:54:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:54:16 AM" ) )11:54 PM yesterday
@Karen Warren no s**t. That one made me mad!

by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 5:53:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:53:51 AM" ) )11:53 PM yesterday
@James Ward Point taken. So far we've heard very little truth from the "experts." I don't blame you for being skeptical. If I was basing my own reactions on what I'd heard from the experts, I too would be tucking my head under the school desk and awaiting the warning sirens. They've done nothing to inspire confidence. Fortunately, I have enough background knowledge to do my own research and achieve a small level of confidence that my family is not in danger here in Fla. @Marie Hi again! That critter is my choice to represent the great state of Florida. :-)

by Bev at 3/29/2011 5:53:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:53:47 AM" ) )11:53 PM yesterday
What are they running? A concentration camp? english.kyodonews.jp

by Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 5:53:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:53:10 AM" ) )11:53 PM yesterday
@Patrick Kelley I thought that one didn't live up to kyodo's standards. That one sounded like the 'line', or 'round here, the Texas two-step.

by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 5:52:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:52:47 AM" ) )11:52 PM yesterday
Radioactive particles don't just go away, they accumulate. And if the reactors are now contributing to the pollution, the next batch would be worse.

by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 5:47:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:47:34 AM" ) )11:47 PM yesterday
Q&A: How dangerous is the plutonium found at Fukushima power plant? english.kyodonews.jp

by Patrick Kelley at 3/29/2011 5:47:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:47:08 AM" ) )11:47 PM yesterday
@Marie Yes, it is looking bad, I can't and wouldn't argue against that. I believe this event will leave Chernobyl in the dust when viewed from a historical perspective. Much of the active damage there was released in an instant by the massive explosion, whereas Japan will be dealing with hot fuel cells for a long time to come. But I'm also relieved that we've managed to make it through two weeks without worse. It could have been far worse for the global community, but in the long run, could have been better for the Japanese...

by Bev at 3/29/2011 5:44:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:44:12 AM" ) )11:44 PM yesterday
@Bev Yes, I understand the part about the detected amounts of radiation being small. I also remember being told early on by the national weather people that no radiation from Fukushima could ever reach the US. Then they said no detectable radiation could reach the US. Now they're telling us it's just small amounts that will have no effect on human health. What next?

by James Ward at 3/29/2011 5:42:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:42:21 AM" ) )11:42 PM yesterday
@Bev They won't be miniscule for long if this crisis drags out.

by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 5:39:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:39:57 AM" ) )11:39 PM yesterday
@James Ward - plus the other countries that have released radiation fallout info: Canada (west coast and east coast), Iceland, Finland, Sweden. Any more that I've forgotten?

by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 5:39:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:39:45 AM" ) )11:39 PM yesterday
nite, all

by marie rich at 3/29/2011 5:39:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:39:42 AM" ) )11:39 PM yesterday
@Meretisa Have good one. I'll prob see ya tomorrow. I'm gonna hang out just a bit longer and tidy up.

by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 5:39:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:39:41 AM" ) )11:39 PM yesterday
@Bev I recognize that dinosaur! He hangs out near Miami. Long time no see

by marie rich at 3/29/2011 5:38:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:38:00 AM" ) )11:38 PM yesterday
@Brad Thank you.

by Reed at 3/29/2011 5:37:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:37:59 AM" ) )11:37 PM yesterday
@Jim Carver Smirk. I just came back to close my laptop and saw my name. LOL. Just because you don't have one doesn't mean your premonition is less valid. You'll have to tell me/us about it sometime. Bless you. NIGHT.

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:37:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:37:33 AM" ) )11:37 PM yesterday
@Meretisa Kinda hard these days, but your right. I keep coming back. We've (mostly George) done so much the last three days and I think everybody took on some responsibility to make this work. And it is. They shut us off only last Friday afternoon and this place looks like it's been here for a while. I think it's great. Funny thing, I had a premonition about it. (No, I don't have a shaman, ha) But hats off to everybody.

by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 5:36:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:36:07 AM" ) )11:36 PM yesterday
@James Ward Those levels were measured by highly sensitive equipment at our three nuclear reactors here in Florida, and were miniscule.

by Bev at 3/29/2011 5:36:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:36:06 AM" ) )11:36 PM yesterday
@James Ward Nevada also

by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 5:35:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:35:00 AM" ) )11:35 PM yesterday
@Brad Thanks!

by marie rich at 3/29/2011 5:34:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:34:59 AM" ) )11:34 PM yesterday
@Bobby1 Yes...my mistake. I forgot to link the article: www.washingtonpost.com

by James Ward at 3/29/2011 5:34:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:34:57 AM" ) )11:34 PM yesterday
I've archived the first 2250 messages from this forum, plus the last 7 hours, at the following website. More to come. poudreinternetservice.com

by Brad at 3/29/2011 5:34:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:34:29 AM" ) )11:34 PM yesterday
@Bev just to clarify, I didn't mean any kind of nuke explosion, but maybe a plutonium oxide or hydrite spontaneous combustion. This is starting to look truly bleak for the Japanese. so bad

by marie rich at 3/29/2011 5:34:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:34:29 AM" ) )11:34 PM yesterday
To date, the following US states have detected radioactive particles from Fukushima: Washington, Oregon, California, Colorado, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, Maryland, Pennsylvania, and Massachusetts. I did read a comment earlier this evening that up to fifteen US states have detected fallout from Fukushima, but no states were mentioned.

by James Ward at 3/29/2011 5:33:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:33:40 AM" ) )11:33 PM yesterday
@Cup You will also need to factor in the reduced density due to evacuation...

by borrrden at 3/29/2011 5:32:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:32:21 AM" ) )11:32 PM yesterday
@James Ward Do you have a link to the Capital weather gang? He was right, we don't know the initial conditions to use for the atmospheric dispersion models.

by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 5:32:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:32:14 AM" ) )11:32 PM yesterday
@Meretisa lol... sleep like an angel

by marie rich at 3/29/2011 5:31:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:31:48 AM" ) )11:31 PM yesterday
@All- one last thing... I DEMAND that you all take time away from this to rest, to eat, the sleep, and to ENJOY LIFE!!!

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:30:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:30:52 AM" ) )11:30 PM yesterday
@Meretisa - Estimated long-term extra deaths from Fukushima fall-out corrected for population density: (4,000 / 50 [density Belarus/Ukraine]) * 150 [density Fukushima Prefecture] = 12,000. Note: very, very tentative based. See earlier post for original calculation.

by Cup at 3/29/2011 5:30:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:30:35 AM" ) )11:30 PM yesterday
@Jim Carver LOL. take care and be well. get rest too.

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:30:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:30:22 AM" ) )11:30 PM yesterday
Here is a rather odd impact the nuclear disaster has had : entertainment.slashdot.org

by borrrden at 3/29/2011 5:29:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:29:48 AM" ) )11:29 PM yesterday
@Meretisa Understandable, letters are starting to look like Greek to me and I've forgotten how to spell. :)

by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 5:29:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:29:39 AM" ) )11:29 PM yesterday
<OPINION> I think a global nuclear event can be safely ruled out at this point. Spontaneous fission is still likely, but a spontaneous fission chain resulting in large radioactive emissions high into the atmosphere are very unlikely at this point. I firmly believe, based on all the reports, we already have debris piles and meltdown in all 3 active reactors. We're looking at a "molten lava" scenario, rather than a Chernobyl-style blow. The consequences are severe, but geographically limited for the most part. I would say ongoing seawater contamination will be the "global community's " greatest challenge.

by Bev at 3/29/2011 5:29:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:29:23 AM" ) )11:29 PM yesterday

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@marie rich If it does, it'd be a global issue. The higher it goes, the more it spreads. I think we have to pray that it only hurts Japan. :(

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:29:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:29:19 AM" ) )11:29 PM yesterday
@All- ok... my brain is mush. you'll have to manage without me. LOL. Be well, hope you find out some new and positive things while I rest and if not, perhaps you can dig up more answers about stuff.

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:28:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:28:54 AM" ) )11:28 PM yesterday
speaking of firefighters and such I'll just sneak this link for donations www.nvfc.org

by Pat at 3/29/2011 5:28:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:28:35 AM" ) )11:28 PM yesterday
*opinion* I don't think the likeliest outcome is re-criticality, though possible. I fear a massive fire/explosion that sends up a big heat/blast column and disperses this junk to the trposphere.

by marie rich at 3/29/2011 5:28:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:28:34 AM" ) )11:28 PM yesterday
@Jim Carver I think I read the last one wrong adn replied oddly. sorry. am getting sleepy. nearly 1am here.

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:27:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:27:55 AM" ) )11:27 PM yesterday
interesting, huh?

by marie rich at 3/29/2011 5:26:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:26:24 AM" ) )11:26 PM yesterday
Very interesting Capital Weather Gang article on weather prediction in terms of tracking radioactive particles to the US from Fukushima: "Computer models aid Japanese nuclear response" By Andrew Freedman "U-Md. research team wants more data made public" QUOTE: "According to Salawitch, one of the key factors determining the destination of any radioactivity from the Fukushima facility is the height to which the emissions are lofted. Since very little is publicly known about the precise quantities, loft heights, and other technical details about the emissions, he says there are significant uncertainties involved with his group’s plots, as well as those from other entities.

”The notion that you can track an air parcel precisely as it travels across the Pacific is fanciful,” he said. “The difficulty in doing that is we really don’t know what is being emitted.” That information, if known at all, is being closely held by Japanese authorities and the U.S. government, which has a team of about 40 nuclear energy experts on the ground in Japan equipped with sophisticated monitoring gear.

Department of Energy (DOE) experts are feeding their monitoring data into trajectory models, such as HYSPLIT, to arrive at more realistic simulations of just how much radioactive materials are likely to be transported away from the plant, along with the critical questions of the distance and timing of that transport. Those model results are being shared with the Japanese government, but are not publicly available in the U.S." Hmmm.

by James Ward at 3/29/2011 5:26:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:26:16 AM" ) )11:26 PM yesterday
@marie rich decontaminiation system??? huh??

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:25:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:25:59 AM" ) )11:25 PM yesterday
@all- doh. am I even reading these right? I think I'm cross-eyed tired. :P

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:25:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:25:37 AM" ) )11:25 PM yesterday
alsoo in www.nisa.meti.go.jp "2 workers slightly injured due to earthquake. 15:00 Mar 28

by marie rich at 3/29/2011 5:25:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:25:07 AM" ) )11:25 PM yesterday
@Jim Carver hmmm... hard to believe that they'd not want help. all we've seen on news is that they are glad to have it with the quake and such. can't imagine otherwise if the nuclear goes any further sideways. Unless they are embarassed abotu the whole thing- which seems moot.

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:24:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:24:55 AM" ) )11:24 PM yesterday
Full disclosure - Brit in Seattle

by Alin at 3/29/2011 5:24:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:24:47 AM" ) )11:24 PM yesterday
buried at the end of a NISA report: "< Fire Bureaus’ Activities>
・ From 11:00 till around 14:00 on March 22nd, Niigata City Fire Bureau
and Hamamatsu City Fire Bureau gave guidance to TEPCO as to the set up of large decontamination system.
・ From 8:30 till 9:30, from 13:30 till 14:30 on March 23rd, Niigata City Fire
Bureau and Hamamatsu City Fire Bureau gave guidance to TEPCO as to
the operation of large decontamination system. www.nisa.meti.go.jp

by marie rich at 3/29/2011 5:23:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:23:48 AM" ) )11:23 PM yesterday
@Meretisa This editorial is postive towards "yes, we do", not so much in money, but in technical know how and logistical planning. Japanese are not happy with this situation and almost 2/3 disagree with the handling thus far.

by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 5:23:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:23:05 AM" ) )11:23 PM yesterday
@Meretisa I think you are still under the assumption that Fukushima City has 2.9 million people, which is untrue :-S.

by borrrden at 3/29/2011 5:20:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:20:39 AM" ) )11:20 PM yesterday
@Jim Carver Not to mention that the "worst case scenario" that would be global nuclear event has NOT been ruled out either.

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:20:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:20:20 AM" ) )11:20 PM yesterday
@Jim Carver They will if/when several MILLION people die and/or are displaced. That is just plain math. There isn't enough space already... and if there is a large population decrease, it'd affect production and global economics (hard cold facts)... the world needs to step in for the sake of the world if not for Japan's people.

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:19:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:19:29 AM" ) )11:19 PM yesterday
"OPINION: Does Japan Need Assistance?", english.kyodonews.jp

by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 5:17:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:17:34 AM" ) )11:17 PM yesterday
@borrrden I agree on the frustration. It is very frustrating. BUT.... I think that once people see how bad it is in Japan (and I am worried it will be very bad) they will NOT allow it to continue. If gas/oil were this dangerous, we'd not use it. People aren't stupid... they will demand another option. I think many would rather have slower internet and dimmer lights than to worry if their children will get leukemia or be born with deformities. Not to mention the risk to the environment. I think that the world is on the verge of a huge change... I pray that this is enough to cause it.

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:17:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:17:07 AM" ) )11:17 PM yesterday
@Meretisa I can't say that I disagree with you, especially in the U.S. I am frustrated at how research into renewable energy is stalled by politics. Also, I think the "interim" means until the crisis is over, not until they research and find another way to provide base power (that could take years or perhaps decades).

by borrrden at 3/29/2011 5:14:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:14:19 AM" ) )11:14 PM yesterday
@borrrden I thought I heard that Russia or someone was offering energy support for them in the interim?

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:12:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:12:30 AM" ) )11:12 PM yesterday
@borrrden I think that the WORLD may have to rethink things. There ARE other options out there. There IS money to be made. There IS the ability to make it happen quickly- IF the world wants it and works for it together.

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:11:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:11:56 AM" ) )11:11 PM yesterday
@Meretisa Unfortunately, Japan does not have many other options. Especially with their pledge to the Kyoto protocol to reduce their emissions.

by borrrden at 3/29/2011 5:10:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:10:00 AM" ) )11:10 PM yesterday
@wtm - Like I said it was crazy.I didn't think of this, Some Admiral in the United States Navy did..Youtube " Underground Nuclear test Navada". Big crater.

by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 5:08:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:08:23 AM" ) )11:08 PM yesterday
@Pat I think it means that Japan is re-thinking nuclear power. They are putting plans on hold for building new plants, not going to restart ones they were checking on, etc. Sounds pretty smart to me.

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:07:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:07:37 AM" ) )11:07 PM yesterday
@Jim Carver Sounds horrid... and amazingly courageous. There isn't much food or supplies. Bringing it to them would mean entering into the quarantine zone and possibly endangering more people with radiation. I am in awe of their bravery. Also, I don't believe that the doses they are getting are as moderate as we think. They may not be hungry. :(

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:06:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:06:47 AM" ) )11:06 PM yesterday
　 NHK ticker......Electric power companies in Japan have put on hold plans to restart nuclear reactors now undergoing checkups, and to build new ones. (I don't understand that last part, building new ones on hold ?)

by Pat at 3/29/2011 5:05:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:05:13 AM" ) )11:05 PM yesterday
@Lethbridgean Just seems to me that sliding it into the ocean would be safer than dropping it down. Also, like @wtm just said, it could really compromise the plant and make it worse. We know at least that it withstood an earthquake of huge magnitude already- it might do it again. Who knows?

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:03:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:03:52 AM" ) )11:03 PM yesterday
The working conditions at Fukushima, "FOCUS: Courageous workers at troubled nuclear plant endure tough conditions", english.kyodonews.jp

by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 5:03:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:03:31 AM" ) )11:03 PM yesterday
@Lethbridgean, you are assuming that the reactors and the entire plant will stay together and drop underground so you can cover it. That would not happen, it will break apart. The SPF's are completely open tanks of water on top of the reactor area. These will dump broken rods all over the place immediately, instant radioactivity !!! Then there is the reactor itself, the concrete containment vessel will probably split in two the reactor will fall over damaging the rods and stuff inside it. It would then not have any cooling, so a hydrogen explosion is not too far away. In all that time span, you are hoping that the radioactivity of the place is low enough so you can move heavy equipment into the area and start filling in the hole. Also that you can get enough concrete there to cover things up. It was like the comment a few days ago about putting a big block of ice on the reactor or SPF to cool it down. Good idea on paper, but it's not practical in actually doing it !!!!

by wtm at 3/29/2011 5:02:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:02:59 AM" ) )11:02 PM yesterday
here's an irony. I've been using this for bwr diagram, and never sscrolled down past the diagram til tdy. check it out.. www.craftysue.com

by marie rich at 3/29/2011 5:02:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:02:42 AM" ) )11:02 PM yesterday
@Meretisa - the chamber or hole becomes glass from the heat.. I didn't say it was sane. I actually heard that the US Navy already proposed this idea, I'm just repeating it cause I'm not that original/crazy

by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 4:59:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:59:22 AM" ) )10:59 PM yesterday
Fukushimais only 150 miles from Tokyo -- surely they could get the workers some decent food. It's ridiculous to expect people to stay focused and energized while performing highly complex work when they aren't getting enough to eat or drink english.kyodonews.jp

by Alaskan at 3/29/2011 4:59:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:59:04 AM" ) )10:59 PM yesterday
I will email george with time of Dean's answers so he can post/sticky it for others. brb

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:58:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:58:24 AM" ) )10:58 PM yesterday
dean -- ty, gn!

by DennisV at 3/29/2011 4:57:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:57:24 AM" ) )10:57 PM yesterday
ty tenzing.. nite nite

by dean at 3/29/2011 4:57:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:57:11 AM" ) )10:57 PM yesterday
yw marie

by dean at 3/29/2011 4:57:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:57:03 AM" ) )10:57 PM yesterday
@dean rest well

by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 4:56:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:56:54 AM" ) )10:56 PM yesterday
I try

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:56:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:56:51 AM" ) )10:56 PM yesterday
@dean thanks. sleep well. rest well

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:56:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:56:49 AM" ) )10:56 PM yesterday
@dean thank you.

by marie rich at 3/29/2011 4:56:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:56:47 AM" ) )10:56 PM yesterday
yw Meretisa... keep up the good work...

by dean at 3/29/2011 4:56:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:56:45 AM" ) )10:56 PM yesterday
now I feel better and can get my self in bed and sleep for awhile...

by dean at 3/29/2011 4:56:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:56:33 AM" ) )10:56 PM yesterday
@Dean- thank you so much for asking them and coming back iwth answers for us!!

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:56:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:56:25 AM" ) )10:56 PM yesterday
last one... they believe initial conditions on that plant after earthquake set in motion a series of events that over pressured the torus ,,, which would have breached... consensus is still out tho on that one...

by dean at 3/29/2011 4:56:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:56:01 AM" ) )10:56 PM yesterday

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@Lethbridgean totally different soil issues. one in dessert other on shore. risky.

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:55:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:55:54 AM" ) )10:55 PM yesterday
@Lethbridgean yes, its been a while though

by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 4:55:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:55:29 AM" ) )10:55 PM yesterday
@Dean= thanks for comming back to answer these questions. could someone note George abotu the time so peopel can come look. WOW typos.

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:55:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:55:03 AM" ) )10:55 PM yesterday
@wtm @Tenzing - Have you ever seen old footage of when they did the tests underground in Navada?

by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 4:54:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:54:46 AM" ) )10:54 PM yesterday
comment 3... the explosion of #3 was something they are still trying to calculate the energy and impact of it.. it could have had affects on the elevation of part of the main floor.. but consensus is out

by dean at 3/29/2011 4:54:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:54:35 AM" ) )10:54 PM yesterday
Good night everyone, and thank you.

by Christine at 3/29/2011 4:54:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:54:32 AM" ) )10:54 PM yesterday
@Tenzing in addition to all the debris www.majiroxnews.com

by Pat at 3/29/2011 4:54:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:54:24 AM" ) )10:54 PM yesterday
@wtm One of the advantages of using the concrete pump for dumping water on reactor 4's pool is that it can also be used for its original purpose (dumping concrete). If they do decide to start pumping concrete it should be able to be started quickly.

by borrrden at 3/29/2011 4:54:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:54:13 AM" ) )10:54 PM yesterday
@all, time to go to bed, hope somebody can come up with a plan before tomorrow night !!

by wtm at 3/29/2011 4:54:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:54:00 AM" ) )10:54 PM yesterday
@Meretisa: thanks & good things for you & yours-----------

by Apollo at 3/29/2011 4:53:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:53:22 AM" ) )10:53 PM yesterday
next... the best thing they all agreed on was to make a little sheet with conversions to coorelate with the readings and then have one for life threatening levels to compare

by dean at 3/29/2011 4:53:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:53:20 AM" ) )10:53 PM yesterday
@Lethbridgean, don't think you could get it covered quick enough before you would have untold sums of radiation all over the place, and then you couldn't get near the place to fill it in.

by wtm at 3/29/2011 4:52:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:52:55 AM" ) )10:52 PM yesterday
first question.. none of them thought there would be shifts in atmospheric conditions

by dean at 3/29/2011 4:52:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:52:36 AM" ) )10:52 PM yesterday
@Pat I'm not sure what you mean

by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 4:52:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:52:25 AM" ) )10:52 PM yesterday
@Apollo night Apollo. sleep well. blessings

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:52:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:52:18 AM" ) )10:52 PM yesterday
Does the Fukushima fallout have any effect on atmospheric conditions.......I am wondering if a change in weather pattern is possible as it was in Europe with Acid rain ?.thanks
@dean Maybe ask about some consistecy concerning units of measurements so laypersons are not so confused? Jim
@Dean: I'd like to have an opinion about #3 reactor. Comparing to #4 and documents we have seen about Mark I desing, it seems to me that the building has collapsed lower than the top of the spent fuel pool. If so, its integrity could not have been preserved. Anyone knowing this plant design saying that I'm wrong would be great....
@dean Survey what they think caused #2 torus to rupture? Seems like the biggest unknown to me. Thanks
all if anyone see dean on (have to go to work) he was asking for questions yesterday.. could you please have him ask if there are any sites following "what systems" they may have back on line and the damage control? thanks would greatly appreciate it!!

by dean at 3/29/2011 4:52:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:52:12 AM" ) )10:52 PM yesterday
sleeping now . . .

by Apollo at 3/29/2011 4:52:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:52:04 AM" ) )10:52 PM yesterday
@Tenzing bodies...maybe just internet fear mongering though

by Pat at 3/29/2011 4:51:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:51:38 AM" ) )10:51 PM yesterday
@Lethbridgean I remember you suggesting that.

by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 4:51:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:51:37 AM" ) )10:51 PM yesterday
@Meretisa - Good point. Hope someone can do a much better calculation than my first very rough estimate.

by Cup at 3/29/2011 4:51:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:51:33 AM" ) )10:51 PM yesterday
dang.. I forgot the questions that were asked.. let me try to post them and then answer... some more of the engineers I will see today...

by dean at 3/29/2011 4:51:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:51:28 AM" ) )10:51 PM yesterday
@Meretisa I think you mean Fukushima prefecture, the capital of the prefecture (Fukushima city)'s population is just under 300,000.

by borrrden at 3/29/2011 4:51:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:51:27 AM" ) )10:51 PM yesterday
@wtm: Doomsday = 20% (?) of Japan's landmass rendered uninhabitable.

by Apollo at 3/29/2011 4:51:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:51:26 AM" ) )10:51 PM yesterday
@Lethbridgean I don't know which would be less dangerous... I think that the nuke under the plant would be less feasible and more risky- too much chance of stuff getting into atmosphere. Sinking from "sliding into the ocean" sounds much less globally risky.

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:51:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:51:26 AM" ) )10:51 PM yesterday
@ariadne Prior to the tsunami they didn't need so much water. The ultrapure cooling water in the reactor was recycled over and over, and the heat sink was the Pacific Ocean. The salt water in the heat exchanger does not mix with the ultrapure water in the reactor.

by Jim at 3/29/2011 4:51:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:51:17 AM" ) )10:51 PM yesterday
@Meretisa - exactly... Cept you put said thermonuke under the plant around 1000 meters and when it goes off it drops the whole complex enough that sea water rushes in. Dreadge the sand over top then concrete over top. Mentioned this a couple weeks back on Reuters and wasn't received to well, esp by Dean.

by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 4:50:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:50:09 AM" ) )10:50 PM yesterday
@Cup... I don't think we can talk about fallout that way. Japan is much denser population. Let's just look at Fukushima prefecture- Fukushima city ALONE has 2.9 MILLION people. As for the "estimates about Chernobyl" they are all spin. I know people from that area- who lived it. It is beyond horrific and has been swept under the rug- the people broken and forgotten. Japan will NOT be like that. It will be on the scale of MILLIONS.

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:50:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:50:08 AM" ) )10:50 PM yesterday
$borrden - No. 50 is direct radiation deaths. 4000 is maxium extra deaths over several decades.

by Cup at 3/29/2011 4:49:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:49:54 AM" ) )10:49 PM yesterday
Think of all the debris and wreckage the tsunami left in the surrounding areas within the evacuation zone, will all that material be contaminated? houses and ships and and and ???

by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 4:49:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:49:29 AM" ) )10:49 PM yesterday
@Cup Actually the lower estimates of deaths directly related to Chernobyl are about....50 www.guardian.co.uk

by borrrden at 3/29/2011 4:49:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:49:00 AM" ) )10:49 PM yesterday
@all, that is why somebody needs to put together a "doomsday" plan for this place. Everyone else is either trying to save "face", too busy fighting small fires, or has their head in the sand.

by wtm at 3/29/2011 4:48:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:48:55 AM" ) )10:48 PM yesterday
Where are they getting the fresh water now? I remember somewhere in this grand document someone said the amount of water the US Navy was bringing would only be enough for about 10 hours of spraying. Where was the source for fresh (not sea-) water before the earthquake/tsunami when it all was running as planned?

by ariadne at 3/29/2011 4:48:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:48:54 AM" ) )10:48 PM yesterday
Correction: 100,000 x 0.4 x 0.1 = 4,000

by Cup at 3/29/2011 4:48:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:48:45 AM" ) )10:48 PM yesterday
Japan will have to be convinced that a 20 year program to clean up this situation is not realistic.

by Apollo at 3/29/2011 4:48:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:48:44 AM" ) )10:48 PM yesterday
@kresimir I think it may be more dangerous, if only because they are going to run out of qualified workers due to radiation. Those with experience and talent must be approaching their limit of 250 mSv for the year, if not already past it. Somebody has to do the work.

by Jim at 3/29/2011 4:48:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:48:42 AM" ) )10:48 PM yesterday
@kresimir I think that it is potentially the same danger- it could go China Syndrome under the right conditions even now. Best case.. it seems that Japan is in for a very rough time. Worst case, global "issue". Either way, it is terrible beyond measure.

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:48:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:48:16 AM" ) )10:48 PM yesterday
Re. Life will go on. Quick calculation. ZAMG (Austria) says Fukushima release of Cesium-137 in first three days was 20%-60% of total Cesium-137 release from Chernobyl. Say 40%. Extra deaths from Chernobyl according to scientific studies range from 4000 (IAEA) to more than 900,000 (Yablokov). Two orders of magnitude difference. Let's take middle order of magnitude: 100,000 extra deaths for Chernobyl. Relatively little of Fukushima fall-out ended up in Japan because most went out to sea. Let's say 10% fell on Japan. Rough estimate of extra deaths as a consequence of first three days of Fukushima fall-out: 100,00 x 0.4 x 0.1 = 4,000. Hope someone can improve on my calculation.

by Cup at 3/29/2011 4:47:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:47:28 AM" ) )10:47 PM yesterday
Any idea why they weren't hollering for fresh water to replace the salt water as soon they started? I'm sure everyone is doing their best, but it does seem like much of the disaster managment is a day late and a dollar short. The NY Times did a piece about this issue.

by Christine at 3/29/2011 4:47:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:47:28 AM" ) )10:47 PM yesterday
A best case scenario is really bad. The Japanese media has avoided outlining even the rosiest of future situations. I cry even thinking of likely consequences. A worst case . . .

by Apollo at 3/29/2011 4:47:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:47:08 AM" ) )10:47 PM yesterday
@Pedro Jesus, you also can't wait 1-2 years pumping in water to a cracked # 2 containment, it is just going to continue to leak out the isotopes.

by wtm at 3/29/2011 4:46:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:46:57 AM" ) )10:46 PM yesterday
can enyone estimate is it more dangerous situation now or two weeks ago

by kresimir at 3/29/2011 4:46:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:46:29 AM" ) )10:46 PM yesterday
nuts. I know

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:46:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:46:13 AM" ) )10:46 PM yesterday
@All- how about we sink Japan a bit further. Send in the nuclear subs/ships and shoot the shit out of the fault line until it gives again... the plant isn't that far from the shoreline. If it is underwater, it is "safe" right?

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:46:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:46:05 AM" ) )10:46 PM yesterday
@Pedro Jesus, I do think that they could pour sand, lead ball bearings, and concrete in the SPF's though, providing that the containment around them is secure enough to hold the concrete

by wtm at 3/29/2011 4:45:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:45:23 AM" ) )10:45 PM yesterday
You can't let this thing spew out radiation for years. It will contaminate US farmland. The US is the world's largest exporter of grain - it will lead to a global food crisis.

by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 4:45:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:45:15 AM" ) )10:45 PM yesterday

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@Meretisa @wtm - yes.

by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 4:45:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:45:01 AM" ) )10:45 PM yesterday
@Lethbridgean wanna know MY crazy plan???

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:44:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:44:42 AM" ) )10:44 PM yesterday
@Sin and THAT my dear friends... is where FAITH and SPIRITUALITY come into the mix. We have no option other than hope. It is our greatest weapon. WE can go nuts with worry and conjecture or we can analyze the data and have HOPE.

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:44:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:44:12 AM" ) )10:44 PM yesterday
@Lethbridgen, back burn it. But you can't light a torch or blow up the complex, radioactivity would be all over the area.

by wtm at 3/29/2011 4:43:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:43:52 AM" ) )10:43 PM yesterday
@Pedro Jesus yes. they must be cooled. it takes like 1-3 YEARS before able to dry cask. Until then, we are a bit stuck.

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:43:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:43:27 AM" ) )10:43 PM yesterday
Good pont Meretisa, question is IF

by Sin at 3/29/2011 4:42:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:42:51 AM" ) )10:42 PM yesterday
@wtm agreed. I'm right there with you. I don't know what can be done. I've heard chatter about the injection of tin from Ukraine scientists, I've heard talk about the "Chernobyl option" (cementing), but nothing solid. I worry too. I really do. I think we all do. That is why we are here. Still... we MUST trust that those in charge are doing the best they can. Think of it though... it's not just TEPCO, it's not just GoJ... G7 is involved. They cannot allow Japan to destroy itself- the world economy depends on it. Follow the money- they won't let it happen if they can avoid it.

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:42:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:42:02 AM" ) )10:42 PM yesterday
@wtm - not our job, but I have a really crazy plan. How do you effectively fight a raging forest fire?

by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 4:41:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:41:46 AM" ) )10:41 PM yesterday
@Apollo I try my best. =)

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 4:41:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:41:41 AM" ) )10:41 PM yesterday
@wtm Actually the rods are much safer where they are. Removing them will allow them to heat up very quickly and potentially melt in transit to wherever they are going (with no shielding).

by borrrden at 3/29/2011 4:41:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:41:28 AM" ) )10:41 PM yesterday
@wtm Before I go, the logic here is that the fuel rods can't be removed and stored before they are cooled down. There's no other way. There's no plan B here. It's as gloomy as that.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 4:41:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:41:27 AM" ) )10:41 PM yesterday
wtm: Michio Kaku called for entombment many days ago. On international TV.

by Apollo at 3/29/2011 4:41:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:41:13 AM" ) )10:41 PM yesterday
@Pedro: musicians are our best resources!

by Apollo at 3/29/2011 4:39:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:39:10 AM" ) )10:39 PM yesterday
@All, A few days ago I asked the question "What is the end game here ???", I really think that TEPCO and their engineer/workers are too busy fighting small spot fires that they don't see that the entire forest is on fire. Can the "end game" of completely shutting down those reactors by removing ALL of the rods in both the reactors and SPF's be accomplished ??? Or is the plant too damaged to accomplish this. Since ANY problem in ANY one of the reactors or SPF's could cause this not to be accomplished for the entire site. If that is the case, then it needs to be looked at logically, and a plan needs to be made to go in a differnet direction, evacuate the 50km area, start pouring sand and concrete in the SPF's ??? Lead bearings in the reactors, don't know, but somebody needs to put together a "doomday" plan for the complex, so we don't end up there from here, and not have one !!! That is the scarry part of this situation....

by wtm at 3/29/2011 4:38:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:38:53 AM" ) )10:38 PM yesterday
I would also like to add, as a surfer, with surfer friends in Japan.... This sucks.

by Patrick Kelley at 3/29/2011 4:38:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:38:51 AM" ) )10:38 PM yesterday
thanks dean from croatia

by kresimir at 3/29/2011 4:38:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:38:33 AM" ) )10:38 PM yesterday
I'm off as well. Even a musician needs to deal with some paper work in the morning, sometimes. Good night.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 4:38:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:38:16 AM" ) )10:38 PM yesterday
Goodnight, Dean. Thanks for being here.

by Apollo at 3/29/2011 4:38:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:38:14 AM" ) )10:38 PM yesterday
Ice Cream Dreams !

by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 4:38:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:38:09 AM" ) )10:38 PM yesterday
ty Meretisa

by dean at 3/29/2011 4:37:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:37:57 AM" ) )10:37 PM yesterday
good night to all,,, hold together.. keep positive..

by dean at 3/29/2011 4:37:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:37:49 AM" ) )10:37 PM yesterday
@dean sleep well, dear brilliant man

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:37:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:37:44 AM" ) )10:37 PM yesterday
Thank you, Dean. Good night.

by Christine at 3/29/2011 4:37:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:37:26 AM" ) )10:37 PM yesterday
yeh alaskan,,,

by dean at 3/29/2011 4:37:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:37:07 AM" ) )10:37 PM yesterday
@Sin My analogy. Pissing on a bonfire.

by DonnerT at 3/29/2011 4:36:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:36:59 AM" ) )10:36 PM yesterday
I must rest as I have early morning work...

by dean at 3/29/2011 4:36:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:36:54 AM" ) )10:36 PM yesterday
@Pedro Jesus Bill Nye said it best. "If not now with this one, it will be later with the next one"

by Patrick Kelley at 3/29/2011 4:36:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:36:06 AM" ) )10:36 PM yesterday
@dean == agreed. But entropy will ultimately win.

by Alaskan at 3/29/2011 4:36:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:36:00 AM" ) )10:36 PM yesterday
@dean I agree. and yes.... HUGS... I am huggy. :)

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:35:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:35:45 AM" ) )10:35 PM yesterday
Meretisa your in a huggy mood

by dean at 3/29/2011 4:35:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:35:07 AM" ) )10:35 PM yesterday
I agree Patrick. And I sincerely hope the best case scenario will triumph. But all this crisis has undoubtedly changed my view about the safety of nuclear power. I believe we are getting closer and closer to an unavoidable energetic paradigm revolution.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 4:35:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:35:02 AM" ) )10:35 PM yesterday
I am going out on the limb.. and say.. what we have here is a huge radiological issue.. radiation event,,, with some emissions to environmment but not lethal to the world.. in the end.. a zone around the reactors will not harbor any living areas.. but not as bad as chernobyl.. and .. there will be a filling of the reactors.. removing all the junk and a covering put on each one or on all at once.. ,, life will go on..

by dean at 3/29/2011 4:34:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:34:45 AM" ) )10:34 PM yesterday
@Patrick Kelley HUGS. We know what you mean. Is not a global issue it seems anymore, but one for "only" Japan. It is still horrific, but not globally. HUGS.

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:34:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:34:34 AM" ) )10:34 PM yesterday
@Patrick Kelley- don't be so hard on yourself.

by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 4:33:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:33:44 AM" ) )10:33 PM yesterday
The latest wrap-up from the AP hosted.ap.org

by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 4:33:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:33:17 AM" ) )10:33 PM yesterday
@VeenOui I thought i'd repost that link - not sure who posted it earlier

by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 4:33:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:33:03 AM" ) )10:33 PM yesterday
@dean: Please take a minute and look at this video pause at 1:21 far left is the wall of building No. 3 look at the huge hole in the wall at surface level and tell me what you see. Thank you. www.youtube.com

by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 4:32:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:32:52 AM" ) )10:32 PM yesterday
These reactors could still melt through and explode. We're not better of yet, I don't think.

by Scilla at 3/29/2011 4:32:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:32:42 AM" ) )10:32 PM yesterday
yyes meretise it's nice here...

by dean at 3/29/2011 4:32:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:32:34 AM" ) )10:32 PM yesterday
[OPINION] @All: There is no happy ending here. We must hope for something that is "containable".

by Apollo at 3/29/2011 4:32:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:32:33 AM" ) )10:32 PM yesterday
@Me "wow good job being reassuring."

by Patrick Kelley at 3/29/2011 4:31:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:31:54 AM" ) )10:31 PM yesterday
@George Gibb EXCELLENT FIND..i would pin that for now !

by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 4:31:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:31:45 AM" ) )10:31 PM yesterday
@all All I'm saying is the worst case scenario now is much better then the worst case scenario 2 weeks ago. I won't try to explain the chemical interactions with it, but it's really the difference between most everyone in the world covering for shelter, and a slow untimely death for all (and neither has happened yet.)

Dean help me out here.... lol

by Patrick Kelley at 3/29/2011 4:31:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:31:10 AM" ) )10:31 PM yesterday
@wtm I know. Believe me, I know. THAT is my worst fear- that we are at such a dark place that that we have so much to be done to make it even remotely "safe"- letalone "livable". It is so big... I'm glad you are all here to walk through it together. I pray the rest of the planet takes our lead and unites to work together to deal with this (and other stuff, too)

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:30:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:30:55 AM" ) )10:30 PM yesterday
There's such a catch-22. They have to continue to use water to cool, but then water may end up in the turbine rooms. They need water out or the turbine rooms to get power/pumps. I don't see what they'll do. I think they're going to have to go to ocean.

by Scilla at 3/29/2011 4:30:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:30:47 AM" ) )10:30 PM yesterday

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@wtm - exactly, this situation could play out for years.

by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 4:30:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:30:27 AM" ) )10:30 PM yesterday
@Patrick Kelley Unfortunately, the best-case scenario is looking bleak in many ways.

by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 4:30:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:30:25 AM" ) )10:30 PM yesterday
@sin, trying to put many small bandaids on a large slice on a jugular vein !!!!

by wtm at 3/29/2011 4:30:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:30:24 AM" ) )10:30 PM yesterday
@Pat Interesting article, thanks for posting. The positive slant on MOX makes me wonder if the writer is invested in the Savannah River project.

by Bev at 3/29/2011 4:30:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:30:17 AM" ) )10:30 PM yesterday
ANALOGY: putting a bandaid on a sliced jugular vein.

by Sin at 3/29/2011 4:29:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:29:02 AM" ) )10:29 PM yesterday
@ALL - can I just say taht I'm glad that we are all able to be here and communicate like people... giving support and exchanging info and "hugs"... this is just amazing. I'm so freaking proud of what we've created here. Our own little community. :)

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:28:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:28:56 AM" ) )10:28 PM yesterday
yeh meretisa...

by dean at 3/29/2011 4:28:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:28:14 AM" ) )10:28 PM yesterday
@Meretisa, they have a monumental task ahead of them, even if they manage to finally get the reactors and SPF's cooled down and under control, they have to stop the spew of radioactivity, drain the basements of the turbine buildings, fix the pumps. If they finally get all that done and working....Next is to unload the rods from the reactors. The rod has to cool what (dean ??) one year before they can move it out of the SPF to the outside pool. That is one year after they get everything working. Then to try to pull all the damaged roof structure off the tops of the reactor and SPF Without dropping anything on top of a rod, causing it to break and go into meltdown again. It is going to be a huge monumental task, of which anything can go wrong at anytime !!! That part of Japan could well be off limits for longer than our lifetimes.

by wtm at 3/29/2011 4:28:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:28:04 AM" ) )10:28 PM yesterday
@Patrick, I see your point, but the worse case scenario is still a possibility.

by Sin at 3/29/2011 4:27:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:27:43 AM" ) )10:27 PM yesterday
@Patrick Kelley I think we do... and we know that it could still go that badly if things take even the slightest turn. THAT is why we are all here, concerned and following closely.

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:27:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:27:43 AM" ) )10:27 PM yesterday
@Meritisa: HUGS BACK. We must hope that current efforts will minimize an explosive event.

by Apollo at 3/29/2011 4:27:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:27:38 AM" ) )10:27 PM yesterday
true Sin,

by dean at 3/29/2011 4:27:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:27:16 AM" ) )10:27 PM yesterday
Dean....it seems like this situation is unprecedented, un-thought of beforehand, and even all the experts can just guess about how this is all going to play out.

by Sin at 3/29/2011 4:26:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:26:50 AM" ) )10:26 PM yesterday
@all that's what I'm saying, it could have all gone critical before the control rods were put in, Japan would be gone. This is not an good situation however you look at it, but we have gone past the full power nuclear explosion with 1700tons of fuel. I don't know if you people realize how bad it really could have been.

by Patrick Kelley at 3/29/2011 4:26:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:26:31 AM" ) )10:26 PM yesterday
@All... ok. ok. sounds like things aren't lollipops and roses and all hell could break lose at any moment... but- we are not officially there yet. THAT is my point. We have to try to be hopeful until there isn't reason to hope. We have to try to believe that it won't China Syndrome or whatever. HUGS to all

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:26:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:26:12 AM" ) )10:26 PM yesterday
I would need more info on bathymetry near shore to know why the pipe is so long. If it is shallow, and tides and currents aren't strong, you might need a longer pipe.

by Alaskan at 3/29/2011 4:26:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:26:03 AM" ) )10:26 PM yesterday
Sin,,, on the comments for MOX fuel.... if you have a fuel element with only low enriched U235 present... I'm not thinking there is a PLUTONIUM daughter product or fission fragment yield... usuallly they are isotoped with mass number 90 range and 140 range..

by dean at 3/29/2011 4:25:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:25:47 AM" ) )10:25 PM yesterday
@Christine, those are our conclusions here as well.

by Sin at 3/29/2011 4:25:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:25:13 AM" ) )10:25 PM yesterday
Meretisa, an article today talked about they are putting water into pools but the levels aren't increasing due to leakage. Is that linked above? So that the water levels remain an ongoing problem and the salt is thought to create a barrier to fresh water cooling.

by Christine at 3/29/2011 4:24:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:24:30 AM" ) )10:24 PM yesterday
Meretisa, with the fuel in an unknown configuration it doesn't act like normal cooling time for fuel elements that are just placed in the pools, I believe the fuel in whatever state is extremely hot and in addition, could move and potentially form a critical mass,,

by dean at 3/29/2011 4:24:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:24:27 AM" ) )10:24 PM yesterday
And....from my research on Plutonium, it is much less of a health threat burning than as a dust.

by Sin at 3/29/2011 4:24:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:24:08 AM" ) )10:24 PM yesterday
@Meretisa: If the pellets from the damaged rods in any one of the reactors have pooled as volatile slag in a sufficient mass so as to bore their way through the containment vessel, then this crisis is not cooling off. If core material hits water & cement then a very nasty explosion could occur.

by Apollo at 3/29/2011 4:24:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:24:03 AM" ) )10:24 PM yesterday
@Patrick Kelley I thought Chernobyl had only like 180tons and TMI had like 30... Fukushima has like 1700 tons.

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:24:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:24:03 AM" ) )10:24 PM yesterday
For those interested.Japanese MP Taro Kono says Thursday but it mentions sunday talk ?
www.abc.net.au

by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 4:23:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:23:52 AM" ) )10:23 PM yesterday
@Patrick, I believe Fukushima has ~10x as much fuel as Chernobyl. Bt fortunately it does not use graphite.

by Alaskan at 3/29/2011 4:23:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:23:51 AM" ) )10:23 PM yesterday
@sin that's what I'm saying chernobyl only had 190tons of fuel.

by Patrick Kelley at 3/29/2011 4:23:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:23:39 AM" ) )10:23 PM yesterday
@Meretisa It is my understanding that is does get better with every day that passes, but only marginally. @ Patrick, there is much more fuel here than at Chernobyl.

by Sin at 3/29/2011 4:22:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:22:52 AM" ) )10:22 PM yesterday
@meretisa this is true if they have truly stopped fission completely (proven wrong by the presence of Cl68) if the corium is going crit-subcrit-crit subcrit at this point now or a month from now the results will be the same. They got through the worst, and we should all be taking a huge sigh of relief at that.

I know it's not the brightest side, but at least we didn't have chernobyl with 1700 tons of fuel. Food for thought at how bad it could have been.

by Patrick Kelley at 3/29/2011 4:21:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:21:45 AM" ) )10:21 PM yesterday
@Alaskian, they are calling it a "discharge outlet" for reactors # 1-4, I would also assume there is one for reactors # 5-6. No, you only run something way out that far if you don't want it to contaminate the water on shore, thats close to 5 miles of pipe.

by wtm at 3/29/2011 4:21:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:21:22 AM" ) )10:21 PM yesterday
@dean how is the transported anyway

by fitter at 3/29/2011 4:19:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:19:31 AM" ) )10:19 PM yesterday
I don't think they can transport them until they are cool enough for dry cask storage. Could be months if not years.

by Sin at 3/29/2011 4:19:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:19:20 AM" ) )10:19 PM yesterday
@wtm my understanding is that the more time that goes by without a big "event" the better... it means that thigns are able to cool more. Dean? Anyone? thoughts?

by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:18:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:18:49 AM" ) )10:18 PM yesterday
That looks like the one, VeenOui. Thank you.

by Sky at 3/29/2011 4:18:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:18:22 AM" ) )10:18 PM yesterday
@wtm: The 6 reactors were placed much to close to each other, compromising the safety of the facility. This is a huge issue.

by Apollo at 3/29/2011 4:18:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:18:21 AM" ) )10:18 PM yesterday
I don't think reactors 5 and 6 will be a problem, hopefully they are making plans to transport those undamaged (god I hope) fuel rods to another facility pronto.

by Patrick Kelley at 3/29/2011 4:17:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:17:58 AM" ) )10:17 PM yesterday
Yes this has been quite an education! A topic that always revolted me and my mind always wanted to turn away. Circumstances have changed that by forcing us to apply our curiosity and intellect to and assemble some unused old book-learning into coherent knowledge. With the accidents, ignoring nuclear power is no longer an option for those who grasp what's at stake.

by Sky at 3/29/2011 4:17:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:17:22 AM" ) )10:17 PM yesterday
I archived the site - 2.5 MB xls format

by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 4:17:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:17:19 AM" ) )10:17 PM yesterday
Maybe the outlet/inlet 3 km offshore was designed to be in deeper (colder) water, or had to be that long to ensure proper mixing of effluent and receiving water?

by Alaskan at 3/29/2011 4:17:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:17:07 AM" ) )10:17 PM yesterday
@wtm - thats why I really freaked out when they pulled the workers out a week or so ago.

by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 4:16:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:16:59 AM" ) )10:16 PM yesterday
Thanks Dean. Yes @wtm, as the world seems to grow more complacent.

by Sin at 3/29/2011 4:16:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:16:37 AM" ) )10:16 PM yesterday
@Patrick: May you be 100% correct, my friend. The TEPCO boss is missing in action but responsible adults are risking their lives for the future of their society (& ours).

by Apollo at 3/29/2011 4:16:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:16:06 AM" ) )10:16 PM yesterday
that does seem a long ways.. 3km off shore? ...

by dean at 3/29/2011 4:15:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:15:58 AM" ) )10:15 PM yesterday
Just a somber thought here that ANY problem at ANY one of the reactors could cause either a chain reaction or cause the operators to evacuate the plants and leave the entire place to eventually go critical. Even # 5 & 6 are not safe if they have to evacuate and not continue to keep the water flowing to them. This is a horrendous situation, and I just hope that they can pull it off somehow, but it doesn't look good as time is passing !!!

by wtm at 3/29/2011 4:15:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:15:07 AM" ) )10:15 PM yesterday
by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 4:14:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:14:49 AM" ) )10:14 PM yesterday
when a reactor first starts up.. there is a point at which it reaches criticality.. normally at a very small power level.. they the power control system takes over to maintain the reactor power level at different levels going from 10 to 100 percent full power

by dean at 3/29/2011 4:14:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:14:45 AM" ) ) Monday March 28, 2011 10:14 PM

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