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@Jojo Do you have the link for that?? Thanks.
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:12:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:12:23 PM" ) )11:12 AM
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@marie rich EPA dictates that evacuation should begin at 10 mSv. A lot of those outlying towns have been hit with 100 mSv and more, and are completely contaminated in terms of air, soil, water, and food. Chances of babies born with Down's Syndrome are also very high.
by Jojo at 3/29/2011 5:11:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:11:55 PM" ) )11:11 AM
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@The image Nancy posted: I'm interested in the hole in the exterior wall at surface level of bldg 3 and the rust colored objects leaning against the duct work by the tower can anyone identify these objects and the material hanging from the hole in the wall of bldg 3? Thank you
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 5:11:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:11:25 PM" ) )11:11 AM
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@radioguy: they are the fixers
by elise at 3/29/2011 5:11:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:11:20 PM" ) )11:11 AM
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@marie rich - yeh what a joke this has been for those poor people. I would have been as far away as possible if I was there.
by dp at 3/29/2011 5:10:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:10:36 PM" ) )11:10 AM
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@dp I think USA dictated the correct response when early on they pushed the 80km evac zone for American citizens
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 5:09:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:09:31 PM" ) )11:09 AM
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Trace amounts of radiation found in Ireland.
www.rte.ieby audi at 3/29/2011 5:09:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:09:20 PM" ) )11:09 AM
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@Tenzig, what is in the pic specifically? What reactor number?
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 5:08:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:08:56 PM" ) )11:08 AM
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by gabe at 3/29/2011 5:08:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:08:06 PM" ) )11:08 AM
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@marie rich Some of the numbers in that data seem incongruous. How can two readings from the same basic locale differ so much? See 31 and 81. And while we're at it, why are the dates listed as 2010?
by pj at 3/29/2011 5:07:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:07:55 PM" ) )11:07 AM
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@marie rich - Dont you think they should evacuate greater then 30km with those readings as indicated!
by dp at 3/29/2011 5:07:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:07:44 PM" ) )11:07 AM
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Houseoffoust at 3/29/2011 5:07:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:07:30 PM" ) )11:07 AM
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I have to say, I've noticed a marked change in this blog today. Everyone's on target and providing consisdently great info. Feels like a news-room. I think this is probably what the creators of Scribble had in mind. Thanks everyone
by Jay77 at 3/29/2011 5:06:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:06:32 PM" ) )11:06 AM
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@marie rich yw...i have to step away for a few hours but when i get back will try to find that for you, if it's been released. Thank you for specifying again what you are looking for...and thank you all for this site
by dtinla at 3/29/2011 5:05:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:05:13 PM" ) )11:05 AM
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If anything, and just my opinion, the fact that Richard Lahey "was head of safety research for boiling-water reactors at General Electric when the company installed the units at Fukushima" gives him unimpeachable credentials. He has nothing to gain with his observations.
by James Ward at 3/29/2011 5:05:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:05:00 PM" ) )11:05 AM
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@denladd Details? Link?
by Duncan at 3/29/2011 5:04:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:04:42 PM" ) )11:04 AM
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Earthquake:(
by denladd via mobile at 3/29/2011 5:04:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:04:15 PM" ) )11:04 AM
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For those of you tracking radiation, Mext update 16:00 29 Mar
www.mext.go.jpby marie rich at 3/29/2011 5:03:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:03:38 PM" ) )11:03 AM
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@you Never mind, I found it. Thanks.
by Jojo at 3/29/2011 5:02:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:02:39 PM" ) )11:02 AM
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@Nancy email on the way, thank you :)
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 5:00:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:00:41 PM" ) )11:00 AM
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by marie rich at 3/29/2011 5:00:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:00:16 PM" ) )11:00 AM
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Marie -- can you publish the link to where the last data you got came from?
by markfm at 3/29/2011 4:59:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:59:03 PM" ) )10:59 AM
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Has anyone seen the actual "plume" data released from TEPCO or MEXT?
by Jojo at 3/29/2011 4:58:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:58:31 PM" ) )10:58 AM
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@Sin Thanks for that link. great.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 4:58:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:58:14 PM" ) )10:58 AM
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I just put out the bubblegate as more information...not anything to do with his credibility.
by Sin at 3/29/2011 4:57:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:57:44 PM" ) )10:57 AM
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@dtinla Thank you so much for your continued help! But I'm looking specifically for temps on the reatcor pressure vessels head and nozzles. They seem to have stopped realesing that since 27Mar, unless I just can't find it.
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 4:57:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:57:36 PM" ) )10:57 AM
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Reactor Containment
Do you think that the containment vessel at the Fukushima reactors will hold if the fuel melts? Are there any materials presently known that can passively withstand decay-heat meltdowns?
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March 21, 2011 11:11 AM
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Richard Lahey :
If the corium melts through the bottom of the pressure vessel (which is very unlikely since they are submerged in water). It will likely penetrate the mark-i containment , react with concrete basemat and be released to the enviroment. This could be mitigated by filling the contaiment itself with salt water , but this has not yet been done to date.
– March 21, 2011 11:58 AM
live.washingtonpost.comby Sin at 3/29/2011 4:56:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:56:38 PM" ) )10:56 AM
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ouch
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 4:56:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:56:34 PM" ) )10:56 AM
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@radioguy: no learning curve, all execution ~
by elise at 3/29/2011 4:56:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:56:22 PM" ) )10:56 AM
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@Bobby1 It doesn't. He's a bona fide nuclear engineering scientist.
by vasra at 3/29/2011 4:55:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:55:44 PM" ) )10:55 AM
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@elise The Russians might, in fact, get some serious contracting work out of this, hmm?
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 4:54:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:54:51 PM" ) )10:54 AM
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Tenzig, if you can't get it to upload to the wiki, email it to me at lillymunster (a) gmail.com
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 4:54:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:54:41 PM" ) )10:54 AM
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@gabe We took a lot of grief for it. I'm not happy. But no one would listen.
by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 4:54:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:54:34 PM" ) )10:54 AM
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I vaguely remember a bubble fusion controversy. I don't see how it affects his credentials in this case.
by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 4:54:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:54:23 PM" ) )10:54 AM
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But re: the bubblegate... did you read it? summary?
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 4:53:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:53:20 PM" ) )10:53 AM
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@Meretisa @Jim Carver Wow, You are enjoying this 'being right' entirely too much. This is real life try and remember that!
by gabe at 3/29/2011 4:53:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:53:18 PM" ) )10:53 AM
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@Meretisa Might be a smart move.
by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 4:53:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:53:11 PM" ) )10:53 AM
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chenected.aiche.org March 28th, 2011
Nuclear Expert and AIChE Member Richard Lahey Provides Perspective on Fukushima and Nuclear Energy
by Sin at 3/29/2011 4:52:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:52:47 PM" ) )10:52 AM
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@Jim Carver They may not have time to search it out. I wouldn't be surprised if someone came on here and asked for advice. Just saying.
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:52:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:52:39 PM" ) )10:52 AM
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@radioguy: just get the hell out of the way and outsource it to the russians ~ its globalization baby.
by elise at 3/29/2011 4:52:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:52:38 PM" ) )10:52 AM
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by cul at 3/29/2011 4:52:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:52:23 PM" ) )10:52 AM
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@Duncan Agreed. Meanwhile the clock keeps ticking...
by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 4:52:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:52:13 PM" ) )10:52 AM
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by radioguy at 3/29/2011 4:51:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:51:51 PM" ) )10:51 AM
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Reading the article a little way down the page about the mistakes and negligence of TEPCO over the years really is quite alarming. The sooner the Fukishima site is taken over by the government and its containment is put in the hands of Global experts the better.
by Duncan at 3/29/2011 4:51:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:51:18 PM" ) )10:51 AM
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by markfm at 3/29/2011 4:51:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:51:11 PM" ) )10:51 AM
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by Sin at 3/29/2011 4:50:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:50:52 PM" ) )10:50 AM
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Crowd-sourced nuclear engineering. Who would have thought? So, now the big one: How do they fix this?
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 4:50:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:50:44 PM" ) )10:50 AM
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@Meretisa They just need to read what we said. It's there in black and white.
by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 4:50:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:50:43 PM" ) )10:50 AM
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Per Katz, at trench for #1 they're trying to figure out what, if any, leakage is occurring from the #1 turbine building to the trench. On Plutonium, reporters pushing on TEPCO for any news, and why it took so long to get the analysis; 2 labs did the testing of samples, but tests were only supposed to need 22 hours (apparently per the labs) -- no answer.
by markfm at 3/29/2011 4:50:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:50:15 PM" ) )10:50 AM
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@All... we saw this coming. all we can do is watch it unfold and hope that it is "only" one of our "best case scenarios". I wonder if they'll start coming to us for advice soon. Wouldn't surprise me.
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:49:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:49:23 PM" ) )10:49 AM
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can't spell yet
by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 4:49:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:49:06 PM" ) )10:49 AM
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Anyone: I have a captured still from video I would like to post here but unable to do it from my Mac can I email it to someone who can post it here. its of bldg 3 and I think its important.
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 4:49:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:49:05 PM" ) )10:49 AM
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@marie rich They first thought we were phyco, now they think we're phychic.
by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 4:47:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:47:57 PM" ) )10:47 AM
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@marie rich Here is a link to some reports released by NISA after March 27th that include data you are looking for I think:
www.nisa.meti.go.jpby dtinla at 3/29/2011 4:47:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:47:53 PM" ) )10:47 AM
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Some info on corium-concrete interactions - if Lahey is right and some amount has leaked through onto the concrete:
en.wikipedia.org(nuclear_reactor)
by Jay77 at 3/29/2011 4:47:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:47:25 PM" ) )10:47 AM
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@marie rich - always question Authority. Keeps them honest.
by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 4:47:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:47:20 PM" ) )10:47 AM
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RESPONSE TO THE EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI, AND NUCLEAR CRISIS IN JAPAN
EXPERT PARTICIPANTS
Gordon Thompson, Executive Director, Institute for Resource and Security Studies
Michael VanRooyen, Founder and Director, Harvard Humanitarian Initiative
Michael Reich, Taro Takemi Professor of International Health Policy, Department of Global Health and Population, Harvard School of Public Health
Takashi Nagata, Emergency Physician, responding to the crises with the Japan Medical Association, and former Takemi Fellow at Harvard School of Public Health
Harvard School of Public Health ON-DEMAND WEBCAST
www.hsph.harvard.eduby Tenzing at 3/29/2011 4:46:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:46:54 PM" ) )10:46 AM
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@radioguy I reviewed all the way back thru reuters blog and it's positively eerie how people with no "boots on the ground" extrapolated correctly.
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 4:45:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:45:44 PM" ) )10:45 AM
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chuckling.. the "bot" was originally "on both of these". NO clue how that happened.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 4:44:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:44:51 PM" ) )10:44 AM
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OK, guys. I have to say, it's great reading all of these news reports that are zeroing in on the crisis, but a pat on the back to all here: there's barely anything new that we haven't discussed bot these blogs. And that's why we all keep coming back.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 4:43:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:43:37 PM" ) )10:43 AM
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@vasra This accident is like a steep roof, it's hard to be neutral in such a dramatic situation. Regardless of how we personally feel, this will absolutely slow down new nuclear construction, but I doubt any plants will be de-commissioned as a result.
by Jojo at 3/29/2011 4:42:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:42:11 PM" ) )10:42 AM
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@Sin I think everybody has an agenda. It's very difficult to find a completely neutral POV about nuclear energy. Certainly not from people who actively oppose the industry OR work within the industry (or regulate it).
by vasra at 3/29/2011 4:40:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:40:55 PM" ) )10:40 AM
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@markfm Oh, I got that it was Unit 4 SFP and unit 3 SFP, respectively. But that that was pretty much it.
by es at 3/29/2011 4:40:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:40:47 PM" ) )10:40 AM
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@Jim Carver so true. But at least the NRC is always looking and making plants upgrade. Unlike Japan, power co.s have no choice about retrofits. small comfort.
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 4:40:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:40:27 PM" ) )10:40 AM
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@Sin It looks like he has as solid credentials as you can get. He was in a high position at GE when they designed that reactor.
by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 4:40:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:40:18 PM" ) )10:40 AM
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That's a great article from Reuters. Continuing good work from an organization that feels like kin to those of us who migrated from there.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 4:40:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:40:17 PM" ) )10:40 AM
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by Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 4:40:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:40:16 PM" ) )10:40 AM
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Sounds like he is a credible expert, at least in his professional knowledge. As for his agenda, if he has one....I'm still looking...
by Sin at 3/29/2011 4:39:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:39:22 PM" ) )10:39 AM
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@marie rich Radiation environments are very hard on materials. A crack one day can be a serious leak the next.
by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 4:38:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:38:46 PM" ) )10:38 AM
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Katz summary of TECO new conference -- not much news. SFP 3 starting to get fresh water from the concrete pump truck, for 4 hours. Diesel fire truck pump being used previously for #2 (?) SFP, today at 4pm switched to electric pump and fresh water for 2 hours. That's the only news in a really long conference. No real big news, no real bad news.
by markfm at 3/29/2011 4:38:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:38:40 PM" ) )10:38 AM
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Some credentials of Richard Lahey (the source for the Guardian article).
www.rpi.eduby Sin at 3/29/2011 4:37:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:37:16 PM" ) )10:37 AM
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@Tenzing To make you all fel better about USA nukes; not only hardened valves and ducts. They also xray welds to insure viability.
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 4:36:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:36:20 PM" ) )10:36 AM
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Text 22360 and Vote 1 for CNN to air the story on the EPA Radiation monitoring. If it airs, I'll watch and take notes.
by Capt at 3/29/2011 4:36:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:36:15 PM" ) )10:36 AM
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Oh he said corium on floor of drywell.
by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 4:34:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:34:06 PM" ) )10:34 AM
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How Japan lost calculated nuclear risk Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:14am EDT First, U.S. researchers concluded that a loss of power at one of the nuclear plants would be one of the "dominant contributors" to the most severe accidents. Flooding of the reactor building would worsen the risks. The NRC also required U.S. plants to install "hard pipe" after concluding the sheet-metal ducts used in Japan could make things much worse.
"Venting via a sheet metal duct system could result in a reactor building hydrogen burn," researchers said in a report published in November 2008.
In the current crisis, the failure of the more vulnerable duct vents in Fukushima's No. 1 and No. 3 reactors may have contributed to the hydrogen explosions that blew the roof off the first and left the second a tangled hulk of steel beams in the first three days of the crisis.
The plant vents, which connect to the big smokestack-like towers, appear to have been damaged in the quake or the tsunami, one NISA official said.
www.reuters.com
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 4:33:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:33:51 PM" ) )10:33 AM
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@quantman07 I had for a while been concerned about worst-case scenario of a massive (3-5Mt) steam explosion after watching a Chernobyl documentary describing a situation they narrowly averted involving molten corium dripping into pools of water below the reactors (they actually brought in firefighters to pump the water out from underneath the reactor at Chernobyl for fear of this explosion - many of whom died soon after of radiation poisoning), but my concerns were somewhat alleviated by some studies done more recently that indicate a much less severe reaction when corium comes into contact with water, and at worst a much, much smaller steam explosion. I have a brother-in-law in Tokyo, so that kept me up at night until I felt I understood it enough. I thankfully no longer believe that to be a possibility. Here's a study I found on the interaction of corium w/ water.
www.osti.govby Jay77 at 3/29/2011 4:33:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:33:18 PM" ) )10:33 AM
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Seems the media goes from one extreme to the other...either NO information, or gut-wrenching, attention grabbing headlines....Of course, if #2 is in the basement, it won't surprise any of us....
by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 4:32:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:32:54 PM" ) )10:32 AM
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*opinion* #2 breach is the most serious. But looking at the parameters on #3, I believe it also has some kind of containment breach. And rising pressures and temps in #1 worry me.
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 4:32:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:32:49 PM" ) )10:32 AM
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@all Mornin' Hate to say I told ya so. Sucks.
by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 4:32:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:32:29 PM" ) )10:32 AM
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@Meretisa Well, for the sake of reliable information that kind of headlines should be avoided.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 4:30:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:30:43 PM" ) )10:30 AM
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@Pedro Jesus Let's not jump down throats here. YES, one person's opinion, but is in news. Am reading other news and will see if there is more. STICK TOGETHER HERE.
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:29:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:29:40 PM" ) )10:29 AM
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@markfm Uff... I thought something terrible had happened while I was gone. Well, TEPCO has alerted to that possibility more than a week ago. So nothing's new.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 4:29:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:29:12 PM" ) )10:29 AM
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Lets all keep in mind that the article in the Guardian is one guy's opinion. The core meltthrough has not been substantiaed.
by Sin at 3/29/2011 4:28:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:28:07 PM" ) )10:28 AM
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"Save" is in the context of not having a breach occur, not meaning trying to use it going forward for power. The Guardian article basically says that yes, looks like 2 has had some kind of breach.
by markfm at 3/29/2011 4:27:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:27:55 PM" ) )10:27 AM
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Corium on floor of #2, right?
by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 4:27:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:27:36 PM" ) )10:27 AM
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Have I missed something? Are we back to utter speculation again? About 5 days ago the Operator had stated that it was not considering using any of these 6 reactors in the future. I think this is another speculative and alarmist report from someone who doesn't follow the news.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 4:26:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:26:17 PM" ) )10:26 AM
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Press conference still going on? It looks like Katz is monitoring it, but not translating, "so difficult and boring...hard to concentrate" on it. TEPCO must have been giving the people more lessons in PR-speak.
by markfm at 3/29/2011 4:25:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:25:54 PM" ) )10:25 AM
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@Tenzing Thanks. Will go read it. Basically, it's not bad for world, but horribly bad for Japan. :(
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:24:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:24:51 PM" ) )10:24 AM
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Japan may have lost race to save nuclear reactor Tuesday 29 March 2011 16.53 BST "The reason we are concerned is that they are detecting water outside the containment area that is highly radioactive and it can only have come from the reactor core," Lahey added. "It's not going to be anything like Chernobyl, where it went up with a big fire and steam explosion, but it's not going to be good news for the environment."
www.guardian.co.uk
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 4:24:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:24:13 PM" ) )10:24 AM
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@All- sorry. trying to catch up. reading and making rounds as fast as I can. :( WOW. what a day. I know we've all been hoping we weren't right. HUGS
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:23:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:23:29 PM" ) )10:23 AM
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@Tenzing Oh SHIT. :( What does this mean?? China Syndrome? :(
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:22:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:22:37 PM" ) )10:22 AM
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@Karen Warren Enjoy your day. HUGS!!!
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:21:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:21:55 PM" ) )10:21 AM
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Japan may have lost race to save nuclear reactor "The indications we have, from the reactor to radiation readings and the materials they are seeing, suggest that the core has melted through the bottom of the pressure vessel in unit two, and at least some of it is down on the floor of the drywell," Lahey said. "I hope I am wrong, but that is certainly what the evidence is pointing towards." Tuesday 29 March 2011 16.53 BST
www.guardian.co.uk
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 4:21:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:21:47 PM" ) )10:21 AM
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by es at 3/29/2011 4:20:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:20:46 PM" ) )10:20 AM
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Japan may have lost race to save nuclear reactor
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 4:20:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:20:29 PM" ) )10:20 AM
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@RBean thanks for thos documentaries (TMI & Chernobyl). I had read the accident description of TMI and seen several docus of Chernobyl accident. The TMI docu was a good summary. And so many eerie parallels to Fukushima that it isn't even funny.
by vasra at 3/29/2011 4:19:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:19:58 PM" ) )10:19 AM
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Well, boys and girls, I need to get to living my day... I have a feeling that we are going to be here for a long, long time. If there is anything good to be learned here, it's how precious live truly is.
by Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 4:17:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:17:34 PM" ) )10:17 AM
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by cul at 3/29/2011 4:16:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:16:45 PM" ) )10:16 AM
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by Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 4:15:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:15:11 PM" ) )10:15 AM
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@Meretisa -- If you mean what the PM said, it was just his way of saying the GoJ cares about what is going on, is trying to keep informed.
by markfm at 3/29/2011 4:13:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:13:40 PM" ) )10:13 AM
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@Meretisa Bottom line: They're starting t grudgingly admit what we've known all along.
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 4:13:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:13:20 PM" ) )10:13 AM
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Oh dear... back. What is this "high alert"?? Quick synopsis??
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 4:11:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:11:53 PM" ) )10:11 AM
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@Quantam: "All" things considered, that's a highly speculative question for anyone to answer as this juncture. Let's just hope that the cooling efforts work until they final start planning to bury the thing. @Marie Rich: Good one!
by Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 4:09:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:09:30 PM" ) )10:09 AM
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by kgriff at 3/29/2011 4:09:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:09:18 PM" ) )10:09 AM
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@George et al Thankyou for your service. I was able to catch up to the world, if not the blog, this morning.
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 4:08:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:08:54 PM" ) )10:08 AM
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@Karen Warren Yeah, when did suffering for suffering's sake become a virtue?
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 4:05:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:05:25 PM" ) )10:05 AM
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@Marie Rich: Exactly. I understand that it's a different culture, but I can no longer be graceful. It's appalling, to say the least. They had to know that they were going to be there awhile, and a helicopter could/can drop off what's needed. Inexcusable and bordering on inhuman, IMHO.
by Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 4:04:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:04:00 PM" ) )10:04 AM
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@MaryMary Oh, no prob. Mary. I agree with you. For the most part, lots of folks want their 15 min. and I'm sure alot of nuke workers, too. But then there'd be guys like Dean, holding a flaming sword and shouting to the world...
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 4:03:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:03:48 PM" ) )10:03 AM
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by kgriff at 3/29/2011 4:03:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:03:19 PM" ) )10:03 AM
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@Bobby1: he just did his research on behalf of his constituents.. lisa muckowski also asked questions which would be important to alaskans..those of you in tennessee? may need to send some questions... low capital startup? boy that was information i needed to know...
by elise at 3/29/2011 4:02:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:02:16 PM" ) )10:02 AM
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@Dean, on further thought, having read your response again. Do you any other worser case scenario, from any reactor explosions, plutonimum, or otherwise. If that unlikely event happened, what could we potentially looking at? Any real signifcant impact on the Tokyo. Could Tokyo have to be evacuated, if there was an explosion?
by quantman07 at 3/29/2011 4:01:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:01:54 PM" ) )10:01 AM
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@marie rich ...I agree with you completely, Marie. I didn't mean to cast aspersions ... sorry.
by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 4:01:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:01:15 PM" ) )10:01 AM
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Katz @
yokosonews.com is trying to translate some of the info coming out of the ongoing TEPCO conference (http://iwakamiyasumi.com/ustream-schedule/ustream1). Some patience required.
by es at 3/29/2011 4:00:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:00:26 PM" ) )10:00 AM
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@pj thanks. trying to correlate with data
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 4:00:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 4:00:17 PM" ) )10:00 AM
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The thing that looked really different about #2 was the initial burst of what looks to my eye like it might be steam - right at the very beginning of the event.
www.youtube.comby pj at 3/29/2011 3:59:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:59:57 PM" ) )9:59 AM
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You'd think they could at least provide them with mre's
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 3:59:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:59:28 PM" ) )9:59 AM
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@Karen Warren Those kinds of conditions is what contributes to operator error, and that is the last thing that needs to happen here.
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 3:59:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:59:03 PM" ) )9:59 AM
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@marie rich I was going by the date on this link someone provided earlier - March 14
www.youtube.comby pj at 3/29/2011 3:58:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:58:19 PM" ) )9:58 AM
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by Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 3:56:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:56:29 PM" ) )9:56 AM
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@pj what was the date of explosion ?
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 3:55:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:55:48 PM" ) )9:55 AM
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@radioguy The explosion at #3 looked significantly different to my eyes. I don't know anything about explosions, but I'll be very interested to hear what an expert has to say about it. The biggest thing that surprised me was the visible fireball - I wasn't aware that a hydrogen explosion would create that kind of a fireball.
by pj at 3/29/2011 3:55:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:55:08 PM" ) )9:55 AM
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@Marie Rich: Considering the conditions at the plant and insight about how TEPCO initially handled the situation at the time of the EQ/tsunami, you can take it to the bank that stories will come out. Truth always comes out eventually. Reuters has a 5 page story today that is very telling.
by Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 3:54:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:54:35 PM" ) )9:54 AM
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@MaryMary yes, that would lure many. But I know alot of nuke workers and they are very serious, dedicated-even noble- people.
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 3:53:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:53:41 PM" ) )9:53 AM
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@marie rich ...yeh...they'd spill their guts at the first offer of 30 seconds on national tv...
by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 3:52:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:52:39 PM" ) )9:52 AM
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@dean I so agree. Plus, if it happens here, they'd never be able to stop the workers from leaking info.
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 3:51:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:51:09 PM" ) )9:51 AM
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@bobby1 my thoughts exactlly
by Patrick Kelley at 3/29/2011 3:49:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:49:45 PM" ) )9:49 AM
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@Salvador If that was a hydrogen explosion like the one on R1, it was a MUCH more explosive H2:O2 ratio than the other.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 3:49:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:49:17 PM" ) )9:49 AM
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@Patrick Kelley When Al Franken is the smartest guy in the room, you have a problem.
by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 3:47:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:47:34 PM" ) )9:47 AM
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Reuters is a profit oriented company. What did you expect? They cover what is demanded by their customers.
by Salvador at 3/29/2011 3:47:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:47:11 PM" ) )9:47 AM
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@Dean and All short report: The pressure in #1 Rpv has continued to increase to 0.493mPa, which is above design limit of 0.42747mPa. The temp. at RPV nozzle increased from 195.3C to 224.8C from 26Mar to 27Mar. , but I've been unable to find posting temps for it in English since 27th. Unit 2 pressure continues to drop slowly and is well below normal at 0.069mPa in RPV. C/V pressure is dropping, too.. The temp. on it's RPV Nozzle increased from 107C (26Mar) to 123.6C(27Mar) and RPV head from 100C to 112C. Unit 3 pressure continues to drop (most notably since 20Mar/28Mar from 0.250 to 0.126mPa). Please note that on 20Mar, #3 suppression chamber went over scale at 0.400mPa. If anyone can direct me to english plant parameters that include temps of RPV, nozzle, head, and Suppression Pool I would much appreciate. *opinion* Look for more trouble from #1, #2 and #3 have containment leaks which appear to be slightly increasing.
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 3:47:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:47:07 PM" ) )9:47 AM
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As I see it, the only good news is that Japan is gaining more presence on main-stream media - meaning more people are becoming aware of what is truly happening. Bloggers are an anomaly at this juncture.
by Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 3:46:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:46:55 PM" ) )9:46 AM
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I have to say I am positively surprised by that senate hearing in the US. I wonder if there have been any similar initiatives in the UK, anyone heard anything?
by Kat at 3/29/2011 3:46:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:46:54 PM" ) )9:46 AM
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good, not god^^
by Patrick Kelley at 3/29/2011 3:46:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:46:44 PM" ) )9:46 AM
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our system would be equally taxed I believe elsie, look what happened with the FINANCIAL CRISIS emergency procedures,,, I do believe that in our country we have had nuclear incidents and we have implements improvements, and, we have a different set up for interfaces with county state and government, DOE AND NRC involvement,, and, I believe we would be more open..
by dean at 3/29/2011 3:46:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:46:29 PM" ) )9:46 AM
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Does anyone else find it funny that the only person asking god questions in the Senate Hearing was Al Franken....?
by Patrick Kelley at 3/29/2011 3:46:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:46:22 PM" ) )9:46 AM
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@Dean. That's what I was beginning to conclude. I expect in the end, it will be bigger than you have opined, particularly withe farmland and seafood. As far as Japan itself is concerned, taken as a whole, I think the resulting energy shortage, the supply chain disruption due to JIT inventory management, will probably be the biggest drag from a macro perspective. I expect we will lose 10-20 of the brave PEPCO workers and perhaps an extra 5K cancer deaths over time, but I think the energy shortage for the country and farmland lost will be the biggest drivers in terms of day to day impact on the rest of the population. Of course, absolutely this does not and will never compare to the lives of those lost in the Tsunami and their familes and friends, but looking at the country overall and 160 million people, I wanted to get an idea if I was missing any bigger worst case scenario.
by quantman07 at 3/29/2011 3:46:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:46:00 PM" ) )9:46 AM
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Oops...didn't see it was a hotlink!
by pj at 3/29/2011 3:43:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:43:41 PM" ) )9:43 AM
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@pj No change the JAIF reports say what the current rating is for each reactor
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 3:43:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:43:24 PM" ) )9:43 AM
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@Salvador they must have had discussion on that because even the recepsionst seem very aware of it having a diff foot print
by fitter at 3/29/2011 3:43:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:43:21 PM" ) )9:43 AM
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@es That was a report?! One sentence?!
by pj at 3/29/2011 3:43:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:43:18 PM" ) )9:43 AM
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Has there been any change to the INES rating of this incident? I know quite some time ago it was the rumor that it would be raised, but never saw anything credible that indicated it had actually happened.
by pj at 3/29/2011 3:42:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:42:00 PM" ) )9:42 AM
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we would be in equally in dire straights if we were faced with a similar level as japan faced...
by elise at 3/29/2011 3:41:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:41:38 PM" ) )9:41 AM
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Looks like Reuters have been hard at work re their Japan coverage:
www.reuters.com .
by es at 3/29/2011 3:41:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:41:30 PM" ) )9:41 AM
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@quantam: It's hard to speculate because we have heard nothing about a plan-of-action. They are trying to figure out an evacuation plan before broadening the evac zone. Both TEPCO and the GoJ and its agencies need to step it up, IMHO, right here, right now. Very sad and sorry for the people too.
by Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 3:40:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:40:40 PM" ) )9:40 AM
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its the gold standard...
by elise at 3/29/2011 3:40:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:40:17 PM" ) )9:40 AM
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do we have adequate evacuation plans?...oh yeah ~ in the 1970s when we did our plans...sigh
by elise at 3/29/2011 3:39:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:39:42 PM" ) )9:39 AM
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To all: If any of you experts, or knowledgeable people have a view on the big picture I posed to Dean a few minutes ago, I would very appreciate your professional opinions and feedback. Thanks in advance.
by quantman07 at 3/29/2011 3:39:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:39:27 PM" ) )9:39 AM
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I must leave for awhile.. will be back later.. peace to all....
by dean at 3/29/2011 3:39:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:39:18 PM" ) )9:39 AM
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very good. checkerboard pattern is applied in us spent fuel pools...
by elise at 3/29/2011 3:38:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:38:26 PM" ) )9:38 AM
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quantman, first off let me temper what I say with the fact that the accidents which are unprecedented in the nuclear industry for which no written guidlines and approved procedures exist. Having said that.. I believe, absent of further explosions, this event is a huge radiation risk and can be mitigated with cooling, planning for either removal of fuel or final shielding and continued cooling with covering final is what will be done over time, I forsee some limited area around the plants where there will be limited conditions for being in there, I don't forsee global impacts, but local ones but not extending out a great distance, I see ocean levels perhaps increasing locally but the ocean will dilute just as the atmosphere disperse activity, longer down the road.. there could be some cases of cancer related events, depending upon a host of reasons... all in all, I look positive forward.. and want the international group to come together quickly to bring the worlds countries to forcus and collectively help..
by dean at 3/29/2011 3:37:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:37:46 PM" ) )9:37 AM
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@fitter The most important question would be if the explosion of the number three reactor building seems odd for a hydrogen explosion. Then just show the pictures we have talked about and ask of her thoughts.
by Salvador at 3/29/2011 3:37:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:37:33 PM" ) )9:37 AM
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by markfm at 3/29/2011 3:37:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:37:12 PM" ) )9:37 AM
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i have read stories of shipments of robots from france and USA being stalled by japan/tepco--does anyone know if they are using robots yet?
by mainejen at 3/29/2011 3:36:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:36:53 PM" ) )9:36 AM
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Anyway, I've had a tiring day..no more comments from me! As always, I hope for good news tomorrow....
by borrrden at 3/29/2011 3:36:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:36:42 PM" ) )9:36 AM
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@Nestor: It's the French. I posted a bit about it over the past 2 days and just this morning. MOX experts.
by Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 3:35:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:35:39 PM" ) )9:35 AM
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@Salvador The funny thing is, I can never find these broadcasts on Japanese TV.....
by borrrden at 3/29/2011 3:34:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:34:59 PM" ) )9:34 AM
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@NHK Listener Dean was watching the senate hearings. Figured others would be, too.
by Capt at 3/29/2011 3:34:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:34:35 PM" ) )9:34 AM
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@borrden 7000+ people watching that stream, yes. But how many in front of their TV's? Those are the BIG (or small) numbers, not the internet newshounds and datahunters like us.
by Salvador at 3/29/2011 3:34:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:34:20 PM" ) )9:34 AM
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@SALVADO i have a call into The International Society OF Expolsive Engineers, they were very polite but the person i need to speack to is out of the office now e-mailed her and left messeage at desk so hophully she can help... i don't have time to monitor now so could you email me any question that you think i should ask more inregards to the mechanics of the explosion not identication of debre.. i promised her i would be short... also i have not read the site for several hour so if i missed somthig let me know... i will monitor for the next 20 minitues..
by fitter at 3/29/2011 3:34:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:34:06 PM" ) )9:34 AM
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@All Kudos to the CEO of Scribble Live and support team for assisting development of this site!
by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 3:34:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:34:00 PM" ) )9:34 AM
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@Karen Warren. Did read that before, which is why I said beyond wider area being condemned forever. The question was is there any threat beyond that to Tokyo area? The Fukushima and the other 4 prefectures' farmlands and fishing area are devastated and will be a brand that will avoided by most for a very long-time. That is bad and terrible, What I was trying to get at was is there anything beyond a smaller Chernobyl type effect, that could truly include the Tokyo area, 3 weeks after, in terms of a worst case scenario. Not the fears, but the reality of the science.
by quantman07 at 3/29/2011 3:33:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:33:57 PM" ) )9:33 AM
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There's talk that GofJ is considering nationalizing TEPCO.
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@Salvador I beg to differ....the chat room at iwasaki whatever is speeding so fast that I can't keep up.
by borrrden at 3/29/2011 3:31:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:31:45 PM" ) )9:31 AM
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@Capt Were you here when we talked about who here has a TV?
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 3:31:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:31:18 PM" ) )9:31 AM
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translation through google of a french press article published today (29/03/ updated:16.27 FT) about areva being requested to help:
translate.google.frby nestor at 3/29/2011 3:30:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:30:56 PM" ) )9:30 AM
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Sorry, that didn't work. i.imgur.com After all, no one is watching, right?
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Salvador via
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CNN just now wants you to vote from three stories that you want aired in the next hour. One of the stories is about the EPA's radiation monitoring. The text numbers flashed by too quickly. Did anyone get the text number for the EPA story? It would be good to see.
by Capt at 3/29/2011 3:29:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:29:11 PM" ) )9:29 AM
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@kgriff That's the first of those images I've seen. That's pretty stark. That contamination line doesn't match up with the line they were testing for plutonium, so I rethought that line pulled up Google Earth and traced it out, and it appears the reason they chose that testing line was because it's the direction to Okuma, the largest close-by city, and the direction the wind was blowing on the 14th for the R3 explosion. The city is in the exclusion zone, though, so are they testing to see how many of the people who evacuated afterward were contaminated?
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 3:28:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:28:52 PM" ) )9:28 AM
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by Salvador at 3/29/2011 3:28:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:28:08 PM" ) )9:28 AM
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@Nancy, the refresh is racing so fast. As I understand it, the containment cap is the yellow dome. It is gone. The reactor vessel cap may still be on. At least it looks that way. I pointed out to Salvador that you can get a good look at the pieces involved in this video
www.ustream.tv at 4:28. The containment cap sits in the right back corner. The reactor vessel lid is on the opposite side. It is black. Telling from this pic it would be seated quite deep in the reactor well. Perhaps that is why, we cannot see a dome in Salvador's pic. If this lid was off, I'd expect to see one large round spot on the infrared.
by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 3:27:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:27:36 PM" ) )9:27 AM
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@borrrden Many Japanese have said the same! Sophisticated techno-speak.
by es at 3/29/2011 3:27:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:27:16 PM" ) )9:27 AM
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@Joanna: Agreed
by Alin at 3/29/2011 3:27:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:27:03 PM" ) )9:27 AM
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by Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 3:25:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:25:56 PM" ) )9:25 AM
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@Karen Warren Sorry, no.
by es at 3/29/2011 3:25:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:25:54 PM" ) )9:25 AM
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@Dean, been a follower since the very beginning on Reuters board. Never asked you a question before. I want to step back and look at the big picture for a moment. What's the worst that can still happen, over and above what already has? The Plutonium fuel rods could fully melt, and due to long half life, wider area would be condemned practically forever, right. As far as Tokyo and rest of Japan, radiation fear (and long-term health effects, particularly the younger population will continue), water bottle use, perhaps wider swath of seafood/marine life contamination may happen. Other than this and perhaps a year of tough adjustement to shortage of electricity power for the nation, and 3 to 6 months of the industrial supply chain damage, do you see any other potential worst case scenario. I am trying to minimize the suffering, or the impact on people of what I have listed above, but is there potentially anything else, even bigger, that I may be missing. So, that's my big picture question for you. Thanks in advance for your considered technical opinion.
by quantman07 at 3/29/2011 3:22:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:22:16 PM" ) )9:22 AM
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This Japanese broadcast is beyond my ability :(.....if it were written I might have a shot.....
by borrrden at 3/29/2011 3:22:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:22:15 PM" ) )9:22 AM
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1 Millirem = 10 Micro-Sievert = 0.01 milli Sievert See this link about background radiation level, we get 200 millirem per year being anywhere, that's per year, not per hour.
en.wikipedia.orgby RBean at 3/29/2011 3:22:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:22:13 PM" ) )9:22 AM
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Pressure in reactor #1 above design limit.
www.nisa.meti.go.jp Information current as of 6AM yesterday Japan time, so about 16 hours old.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/29/2011 3:21:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:21:43 PM" ) )9:21 AM
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@Es: Are you able to translate?
by Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 3:21:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:21:42 PM" ) )9:21 AM
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be safe nancy
by dean at 3/29/2011 3:21:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:21:12 PM" ) )9:21 AM
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elsie.. I went to the multicultural festival down at the river points where they had the symphany.. wow it was nice..
by dean at 3/29/2011 3:20:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:20:56 PM" ) )9:20 AM
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must go get some work done. Back in the afternoon!
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 3:20:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:20:13 PM" ) )9:20 AM
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by elise at 3/29/2011 3:19:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:19:24 PM" ) )9:19 AM
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MMMMMM YUMMY.. YEP..
by dean at 3/29/2011 3:18:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:18:34 PM" ) )9:18 AM
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by es at 3/29/2011 3:18:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:18:34 PM" ) )9:18 AM
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haah,,yes how bout primantis
by elise at 3/29/2011 3:18:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:18:16 PM" ) )9:18 AM
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De-lurking to say that I appreciate all the work everyone is doing on this. Have been reading since early Reuters-blog days. I call this the ANT farm- Armchair Nuclear Techs! (except for Dean, where 'A' stands for 'Actual'.) Shows what the collective strength of many can accomplish... It feels like this is the future of news reporting. Care + intelligence + worry + effort.
by joanna at 3/29/2011 3:18:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:18:15 PM" ) )9:18 AM
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@radioguy, someone used a cell phone to stream live video from the WI capitol during the protests. It was on a tripod, unmounted, ran for days and streamed via cell phone or wifi alternatively. One could potentially use a sat. phone to do it too.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 3:18:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:18:15 PM" ) )9:18 AM
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HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF TAMBOLINI'S... he he ..
by dean at 3/29/2011 3:17:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:17:53 PM" ) )9:17 AM
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@borrrden Yeah, bit early.
by es at 3/29/2011 3:17:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:17:49 PM" ) )9:17 AM
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well they talked about plane readings in the senate broadcast so I figured I'd put it out there
by kgriff at 3/29/2011 3:17:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:17:48 PM" ) )9:17 AM
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by elise at 3/29/2011 3:17:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:17:32 PM" ) )9:17 AM
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@Nancy - I think thats why the explosion was so much bigger on unit #3.
by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 3:17:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:17:26 PM" ) )9:17 AM
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elsie,, are you there
by dean at 3/29/2011 3:17:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:17:23 PM" ) )9:17 AM
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Re the TEPCO conf - maybe not just yet.... Blue officials just handing out some info to journalists...
by es at 3/29/2011 3:17:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:17:09 PM" ) )9:17 AM
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@es A press conference at 12:16 AM?
by borrrden at 3/29/2011 3:16:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:16:56 PM" ) )9:16 AM
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right salvador
by dean at 3/29/2011 3:16:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:16:27 PM" ) )9:16 AM
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@kgriff That's old data, measured mostly by plane. I don't know how useful it's now, after more than a week has passed.
by Salvador at 3/29/2011 3:16:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:16:13 PM" ) )9:16 AM
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nancy.. the workers don't go into that area in between shutdowns to refuel... it's inside containment and that containment must be established and then not breached..
by dean at 3/29/2011 3:16:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:16:01 PM" ) )9:16 AM
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@dean - Hydrogen gas has the broadest Lower explosive limit- 5%-95% if memory serves.
by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 3:15:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:15:56 PM" ) )9:15 AM
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I noticed on some of the video's going over the facilities that some of the vapor looks like it's not under pressure.. but that in the center of the vid's does look like it's under pressure.. that is not good
by dean at 3/29/2011 3:15:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:15:25 PM" ) )9:15 AM
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@dean, what do they do for building workers? O2 tanks? Clear the building and add air for maintenance?
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 3:15:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:15:13 PM" ) )9:15 AM
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Looks like another TEPCO conference is about to begin (Japanese only):
iwakamiyasumi.comby es at 3/29/2011 3:14:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:14:37 PM" ) )9:14 AM
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hi Karen.. I'm doing well ty for asking.. .I'm watching the senate hearing and trying to capture some thoughts... then I will go to work for awhile
by dean at 3/29/2011 3:14:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:14:18 PM" ) )9:14 AM
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@Lethbridgean, Peter, There was something on the known issues with the Mark 1 that cited the o-ring and reactor lid as leaking when it went over something like 70psi. Would explain the edge leaking that it looks like.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 3:14:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:14:03 PM" ) )9:14 AM
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kgriff via
Upload.wikimedia.org at 3/29/2011 3:14:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:14:01 PM" ) )9:14 AM
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Nancy.. the reason the US reactors inert the area inside the building is to create a condition where there is reduced oxygen in case of potential buildup of hydrogen ... the lack of o2 is critical to preventing an explosion
by dean at 3/29/2011 3:13:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:13:16 PM" ) )9:13 AM
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Note that our usual image is the cell phone. I'm assuming if it's from the plant, they're using a similar setup for that video, though maybe not the same camera. Cell with a power source is a perfect idea for a cam that has to operate in for long times in power outages. It's tripod or static camera mount, it looks like. There's not even a glimmer of shake in it. Does anyone explain the source of that video?
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 3:13:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:13:09 PM" ) )9:13 AM
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@Dean: Can you paraphrase? I'm not following... TIA BTW, how are you feeling?
by Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 3:12:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:12:16 PM" ) )9:12 AM
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TEPCO = Tokyo Electric Proliferation of Cash - Cesium-137 - Crisis - Chaos - Criticality - Organization
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 3:12:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:12:09 PM" ) )9:12 AM
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@Peter Melzer - would be safe to assume the o-ring seal is bye-bye..
by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 3:11:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:11:29 PM" ) )9:11 AM
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Peter, as I understand it.. the dome goes on the reactor and bolted down,, then , the colored dome goes over that for a seal to the concrete containment then plates go over that?
by dean at 3/29/2011 3:11:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:11:10 PM" ) )9:11 AM
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@ dean, can you explain the inert building nitrogen thing when you have time?
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 3:10:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:10:39 PM" ) )9:10 AM
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Those bureaucrats on the committee hearing make Tepco look like a model of transparency by comparison. "it would be many days before there would be a problem with cooling the fuel pools" - how many days?
by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 3:10:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:10:14 PM" ) )9:10 AM
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dr lyon stated closest arial monitoring has been 2.5 miles away because its too hot to get closer ~ highest measurement was 30 millirem per hour at its peak, and has been dropping ~ US rec. 300millirem per year exposure. levels on the site are much higher.
by elise at 3/29/2011 3:09:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:09:45 PM" ) )9:09 AM
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KAREN.. on huge difference in the fukushima difference is they don't keep the building inert,, or nitrogen pressure while operating
by dean at 3/29/2011 3:09:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:09:43 PM" ) )9:09 AM
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@Tenzing I'm going to nerd out on your comment to inform you that harakiri and seppuku are the same thing (two different readings of the same kanji)
by borrrden at 3/29/2011 3:09:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:09:43 PM" ) )9:09 AM
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@Nancy, I referred to the pics Salvador posted last night. On those I believe one could see a black lid on the reactor with thin steam emanating from its rim. The yellow dome might have been discolored by the blast and broken up in chunks. But it is a large and very recognizable structure.
by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 3:09:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:09:37 PM" ) )9:09 AM
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@radioguy Nice detective work!
by es at 3/29/2011 3:09:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:09:32 PM" ) )9:09 AM
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@Tenzig, standard corporate operating procedure these days only the risks to the public are much higher
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 3:08:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:08:40 PM" ) )9:08 AM
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"Even without damage, opening the vulnerable vents in the presence of a build-up of hydrogen gas was a known danger. In the case of Fukushima, opening the vents to relieve pressure was like turning on an acetylene torch and then watching the flame "shoot back into the fuel tank," said one expert with knowledge of Fukushima who asked not to be identified because of his commercial ties in Japan."
www.reuters.comby Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 3:08:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:08:40 PM" ) )9:08 AM
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NRC was asked specifically to look at what the japanese regulators look at in the process of liscensing their reactors... to compare to the accident and implications to USA reactors
by dean at 3/29/2011 3:08:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:08:18 PM" ) )9:08 AM
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Its almost as if TEPCO has committed National Harakiri (a form of seppuku or ritual suicide) via their flagrant disregard for responsibility and accountability in the maintenance and operation of their Nuclear Power Facilities throughout Japan.
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 3:07:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:07:38 PM" ) )9:07 AM
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NRC is going to complete a 90 day assessment of fukushima to try and understand it in detail and see if there are applicability items to the USA
by dean at 3/29/2011 3:07:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:07:33 PM" ) )9:07 AM
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@Salvador Though actually, that could have been different video from a different setup, but just becasue we've only seen one static camera on-site doesn't mean there only IS one camera on site.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 3:07:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:07:13 PM" ) )9:07 AM
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@NHK Listener - thats the term.
by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 3:07:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:07:12 PM" ) )9:07 AM
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@Nancy True, as I said I don't want to lose this. it has been a god send.
by d_news at 3/29/2011 3:06:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:06:39 PM" ) )9:06 AM
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by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 3:06:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:06:36 PM" ) )9:06 AM
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updates on some things forthcoming from my listening to the senate committee and questioning NRC and DOE...
by dean at 3/29/2011 3:06:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:06:20 PM" ) )9:06 AM
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we went to the exif info on the photos. It's a Toshiba W53T flip phone.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 3:05:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:05:49 PM" ) )9:05 AM
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With all the discussion of Deception and Lying, some might wish to view a couple quality documetaries after Three Mile Island and Chernobyl. While we sit in our armchairs, people, experts scientists and engineers are doing their informed best in front of an oncoming train. We see a slow motion train wreck, they are responding to events AS THEY KNOW THEM at the time. Three Mile Island (an honest mutitude of screwups)
dvp-potpourri.blogspot.com and Chernobyl (Delayed Honesty)
topdocumentaryfilms.com by RBean at 3/29/2011 3:05:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:05:21 PM" ) )9:05 AM
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some times politicians and those being interviewed use the following theory... it's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you don't know anything that to open your mouth and prove it
by dean at 3/29/2011 3:05:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:05:21 PM" ) )9:05 AM
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Message for auto-approve from new IP
by borrrden at 3/29/2011 3:05:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:05:19 PM" ) )9:05 AM
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To Finish, Honest people doing an honest job. At TMI, Two of the US's best nuclear experts had opposite opinions on explode or not explode. Information confusion reigned supreme. I'm not saying everything is ok at Fukishima, but the continuos comments about lies and deception are not warranted. I'm not saying don't question or investigate, we must, but these guys are good, and they are doing the best they can. However, company problems should be dealt with by companies, national problems should be dealt with by nations and international problems should be dealt with by multiple nations. All samples and results should be independently verified by outside agencies, not just TEPCO.
by RBean at 3/29/2011 3:05:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:05:16 PM" ) )9:05 AM
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@elise 1 millirem = 10 microsieverts
by borrrden at 3/29/2011 3:05:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:05:11 PM" ) )9:05 AM
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@d_news. That could also remove people who could be of huge help to figuring things out like other experts. It might take more moderation or removing people if they are just posting off topic or spam. With more people maybe more hands to help too.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 3:04:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:04:34 PM" ) )9:04 AM
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@radioguy What's your source for those claims? Do you know who made the video and with what kind of equipment? In what distance?
by Salvador at 3/29/2011 3:04:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:04:27 PM" ) )9:04 AM
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explain the damn miillirem, what do the levels mean...put it in perspective.
by elise at 3/29/2011 3:03:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:03:46 PM" ) )9:03 AM
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I know bobby.. I've been involved in some of those kinds of discussions and there certainly is a PROTOCOL involved...
by dean at 3/29/2011 3:03:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:03:31 PM" ) )9:03 AM
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@Lethbridgean George does give stats when asked. I would hate to lose this site to gibberish
by d_news at 3/29/2011 3:01:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:01:57 PM" ) )9:01 AM
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@d_news Personally I don't like that idea. Better that we find ways to support George if he gets too swamped.
by es at 3/29/2011 3:01:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:01:37 PM" ) )9:01 AM
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@Salvador Thank you.
by James Ward at 3/29/2011 3:00:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:00:46 PM" ) )9:00 AM
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New Scientist: "Caesium fallout from Fukushima rivals Chernobyl" QUOTE: "Radioactive caesium and iodine has been deposited in northern Japan far from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, at levels that were considered highly contaminated after Chernobyl."
www.newscientist.comby James Ward at 3/29/2011 3:00:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:00:19 PM" ) )9:00 AM
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@d_news - it would be cool if we could see how many people are viewing like Reuters did.
by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 3:00:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 3:00:16 PM" ) )9:00 AM
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@Salvador Re the editing of sound. The camera is a cell phone. It is unmanned so it doesn't have to be outside the 20km radius. That doesn't look at all like 20km. To me, 680 meters looks about right from the image. There are either three distinct explosions, or it is ONE very large explosion with two echoes, and given the increasing volume levels of the sound, echoes from closer hills than the original explosion. Topo maps might even give you the exact reflection planes.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 2:59:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:59:51 PM" ) )8:59 AM
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this is a good one: explain the levels of measurement, help us out!
energy.senate.govby elise at 3/29/2011 2:59:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:59:09 PM" ) )8:59 AM
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The hearing is also broadcast on CSpan Radio (uses less bandwidth).
by markfm at 3/29/2011 2:58:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:58:42 PM" ) )8:58 AM
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@all What do you guys think... Once things start looking even more grim than they do now lot's of people will start looking for online chat/blogs etc. There were over 10k daily users at Reuters... Can we remove links to this blog so the quality feedback/conversations are preserved? George would have a hell of time moderating comments by 10k + users. Thoughts?
by d_news at 3/29/2011 2:58:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:58:12 PM" ) )8:58 AM
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@Salvador : there is a good article on allthingsnuclear.org that talks about that. gotta go back 1 week + to see it. T.hey state that if the pressure got to high the Hydrogen gas could have came from the Drywell head, not from the manual venting.
by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 2:57:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:57:43 PM" ) )8:57 AM
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@dean Sheesh those bureaucrats don't know anything except to spew mealy-mouthed disinfo.
by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 2:56:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:56:36 PM" ) )8:56 AM
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@peter, that was some of the questioning on the pictures of #3 Salvador edited, is the top of the reactor there, containment cap? The heat images I am assuming are after the blasts. The heat where the reactor on #3 would be shows small dots of hot. If the reactor cap was off wouldn't there be a larger uniform hot spot? So I think your right that maybe the reactor cap is there but possibly not one or both of the others?
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 2:56:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:56:18 PM" ) )8:56 AM
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@dean we can neither confirm nor deny...murkowski had good questions about water and fisheries impact on her state..
by elise at 3/29/2011 2:55:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:55:46 PM" ) )8:55 AM
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@Lethbridgean That still leaves the question if the explosion came from INSIDE the RPV or from outside. Something we'll be unable to answer just from pictures and videos.
by Salvador at 3/29/2011 2:54:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:54:54 PM" ) )8:54 AM
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I'm listening to the senate hearing elsie... with DOE and NRC... so far it's alot of HEBA HOBA... but will listen more
by dean at 3/29/2011 2:54:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:54:26 PM" ) )8:54 AM
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Opinion: "Kan said his government told TEPCO in the early hours of March 12th that it should go ahead and vent steam from the No.1 reactor."
www3.nhk.or.jp There was a blurb on wikipedia which was subsequently removed that quoted someone 'close' to the situation who said that Kan ordered the salt water spraying. Kan is a hot head. Kan has earned the nicknames 'Ira-Kan' or 'Fretful-Kan' due to his reputed short temper. His early decisions may very well be the reason for the current situation.
by Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 2:53:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:53:44 PM" ) )8:53 AM
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@Nancy, the reactor vessel lid still seems on. Must be the other parts. Where did they fly?
by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 2:53:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:53:38 PM" ) )8:53 AM
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@Salvador @Nancy @es - yes the sound was edited, yes those are some pretty big pieces arcing away. I am pretty sure the cement containment went up up and away.
by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 2:53:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:53:10 PM" ) )8:53 AM
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@Salvador OK, thanks.
by es at 3/29/2011 2:51:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:51:56 PM" ) )8:51 AM
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@James Those theram images are rather old. 22 of march I think.
by Salvador at 3/29/2011 2:51:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:51:50 PM" ) )8:51 AM
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I took the #3 blast video and put it full screen and went frame by frame. At .07 on the video you see three very large dark objects appear and fly up and arc away from the blast. They are large pieces of debris. Could they be the concrete lid, containment yellow cap and possibly the reactor cap? They almost look too big for concrete chunks since the top of the building is thin panels and framework. There is also a huge column of the blast far past the 3 pieces of debris. This is all well after the fire flash. Makes me wonder if the successive blast noises are those things giving way
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 2:51:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:51:23 PM" ) )8:51 AM
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@es They are correct, the sound is fake if the camera team was indeed more than 20 km away.
by Salvador at 3/29/2011 2:50:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:50:50 PM" ) )8:50 AM
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@Salvador What do you make of the comment on that youtube page: "There are only two seconds from the occurrence of the explosion in the image to hearing the first explosive sound. Therefore, because speed of sound is 340m/s, the taking a picture place is only 680m away from the nuclear power plant. However, after March 12, 20km in the radius is the evacuation distances. It is thought that the explosive sound of this image is edited when thinking about these."
by es at 3/29/2011 2:48:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:48:27 PM" ) )8:48 AM
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@Salvador How recent are those thermal images? The intact roof on Reactor #2 may be obscuring bigger problems. The bright white spots on the images for reactors #1 and #3 are frightening to say the least.
by James Ward at 3/29/2011 2:47:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:47:15 PM" ) )8:47 AM
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@Nancy: At CNNs Home page, under the heading 'Crisis in Japan", click LIVE
by MaryW at 3/29/2011 2:46:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:46:51 PM" ) )8:46 AM
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I edited fukushimafaq, added pages for News, NewsArchive, UsefulLinks. Copied in George's reports, and the usefulLinks includes a Link to Brad's compilation. @George -- Perhaps just point at that site, and you can online edit to add news, links, etc. any time you wish. No dealing with scribd (though that works well too).
by Markfm at 3/29/2011 2:44:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:44:31 PM" ) )8:44 AM
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France to send 2 experts to Japan to tackle nuclear plant crisis:
"Areva is commissioned by Japanese power companies to process uranium-plutonium mixed-oxide fuel, so-called MOX fuel. MOX fuel used at the No. 3 reactor unit at the Fukushima Daiichi plant was shipped from France in 1999."
english.kyodonews.jpby Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 2:44:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:44:22 PM" ) )8:44 AM
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@Salvador can you pick apart the plume from the explosion so we can identify the falling objects?
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 2:43:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:43:50 PM" ) )8:43 AM
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@salvator, the sound on that is interesting because there are multiple blast noises in succession. Could it be the various containments blowing? The blast is so huge blowing the cap(s) apart or throwing them far away isn't unthinkable.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 2:43:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:43:31 PM" ) )8:43 AM
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by Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 2:40:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:40:53 PM" ) )8:40 AM
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by Salvador at 3/29/2011 2:39:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:39:36 PM" ) )8:39 AM
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@mary - got got commercials on CNN
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 2:39:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:39:13 PM" ) )8:39 AM
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@ Karen - Are there quick access links somewhere that you know of or should I just scroll back through to find the things Sin posted?
by Stormy at 3/29/2011 2:38:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:38:42 PM" ) )8:38 AM
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by elise at 3/29/2011 2:38:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:38:30 PM" ) )8:38 AM
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Salvador via
I.imgur at 3/29/2011 2:38:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:38:16 PM" ) )8:38 AM
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@MaryMary true that, it's why I lurk on this site all day.
by Debra Beckham at 3/29/2011 2:38:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:38:12 PM" ) )8:38 AM
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CNN NEW LIVE: Playing NOW! Senate Japan Nuclear Reactor Hearing
by MaryW at 3/29/2011 2:38:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:38:11 PM" ) )8:38 AM
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CNN NEWS LIVE: Playing NOW! Senate Japan Nuclear Reactor Hearing
by MaryW at 3/29/2011 2:38:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:38:04 PM" ) )8:38 AM
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by Joshua Diamond [ofc] at 3/29/2011 2:37:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:37:31 PM" ) )8:37 AM
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by kgriff at 3/29/2011 2:36:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:36:57 PM" ) )8:36 AM
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Does someone have links to the thermal image and also link to the video of #3 blowing up?
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 2:36:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:36:18 PM" ) )8:36 AM
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question: if there is fuel exposed in the videos/pictures will there be a colour or other way to identify it or will it blend in with the rubble?
by Canadian at 3/29/2011 2:36:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:36:14 PM" ) )8:36 AM
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Please feel free to add whatever to it.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 2:35:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:35:37 PM" ) )8:35 AM
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@Tenzing Exactly. There is steam coming from the steel containment vessel and steam coming from the SFP.
by Salvador at 3/29/2011 2:35:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:35:33 PM" ) )8:35 AM
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Nancy -- You can extend, add new pages like News and Useful Links. The stuff presently captured in the scribd doc could be put on those pages, dynamically updated easily. I did that wiht my fukushimainfo test page, seems to work fine.
by Markfm at 3/29/2011 2:35:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:35:05 PM" ) )8:35 AM
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Good morning all! Sin posted several videos on Chernobyl at about midnight last night. The last one is a documentary that was filmed inside the sarcaphagus and well worth your time to view. Some of the early footage in the videos had an eerie resemblance to the photos of Fukushima. I woke up, took one look at the news, realize that it's happening all over again, and I sit here stunned beyond belief. God help these people...
by Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 2:34:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:34:27 PM" ) )8:34 AM
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@Salvador: using the satellite image you posted of the Fuku plant line up the white plume from bldg 3 in with the white heat spot in bldg 3 from the thermal images and it looks like the plume is coming from the core. what do you think?
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 2:33:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:33:51 PM" ) )8:33 AM
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@Nancy @ifz ... maybe ask George to pin both of those addresses above?
by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 2:33:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:33:48 PM" ) )8:33 AM
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btw. there is allready one with links: fukushima.wikispaces.com
by ifz at 3/29/2011 2:32:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:32:42 PM" ) )8:32 AM
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@Nancy Cool. Thanks.
by es at 3/29/2011 2:32:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:32:41 PM" ) )8:32 AM
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Also, if you see an answer and know it to be incorrect or needs more info please add/edit to it.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 2:32:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:32:03 PM" ) )8:32 AM
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@Nancy ....great job! You "computer people" amaze me...
by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 2:30:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:30:55 PM" ) )8:30 AM
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Anyone can edit it, public document. Please add questions and answers as you see fit. Hope it might help answer some of the ongoing repeats or a place some of the industry people on the list can put things they consider important.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 2:29:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:29:14 PM" ) )8:29 AM
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Added a wiki for the group - for group specific questions that have been figured out or guessed at etc. please disregard the scribd one.
fukushimafaq.wikispaces.comby Nancy at 3/29/2011 2:28:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:28:10 PM" ) )8:28 AM
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@Thank you fitter! That's interesting.
by Salvador at 3/29/2011 2:26:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:26:15 PM" ) )8:26 AM
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@Debra Beckham I thought the same, seeing Green Peace in the article was my first clue.
by d_news at 3/29/2011 2:25:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:25:50 PM" ) )8:25 AM
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by Markfm at 3/29/2011 2:25:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:25:47 PM" ) )8:25 AM
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@salvador went to one of my emails fro enginneering daily info the linked into a site that i have not checked out yet, but quite a few think at least the containment is gone maybe reactor... also if reator lid is off, would it be nodifferent than as if sitting in pool, the control rods should be is shutdown mode... the one comment was explosion heard 125 miles away have not verified any info so this is just waht it is... will be back got to get work done...
by fitter at 3/29/2011 2:25:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:25:28 PM" ) )8:25 AM
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@Debra Beckham .... agree....good thing you knew to come here to find out what is REALLY going on, huh?
by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 2:25:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:25:14 PM" ) )8:25 AM
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by elise at 3/29/2011 2:25:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:25:10 PM" ) )8:25 AM
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@Jushua Where do you see any indication of the refueling deck being intact? There is nothing there! i.imgur.com
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Salvador via
I.imgur at 3/29/2011 2:24:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:24:47 PM" ) )8:24 AM
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by es at 3/29/2011 2:23:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:23:40 PM" ) )8:23 AM
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Arrrr! I hate these misleading headlines from corporate media. My first impression this morning was Japan raising the level from a 5 to a 7...based on headlines. Having worked for corporate media (advertising sales), my opinion of them is as trashed as Japans reactors. Think it was the class in "how to cheat your customer" that did me in...
by Debra Beckham at 3/29/2011 2:23:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:23:27 PM" ) )8:23 AM
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That could work. Hadn't thought of that. BRB. :-)
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 2:20:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:20:52 PM" ) )8:20 AM
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@nancy: why not use a wiki? wikispaces.com, wikia etc.
by ifz at 3/29/2011 2:20:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:20:24 PM" ) )8:20 AM
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@Brad Hi Brad didn't realize you were on - can you email me please
by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 2:20:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:20:20 PM" ) )8:20 AM
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@Brad Excellent. Thanks so much for collating everything.
by es at 3/29/2011 2:20:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:20:20 PM" ) )8:20 AM
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@salvador contaiment lid may hve broke -up rather large debri following back, also with the amount of dust from the concrete particles, the apperaence would change due to being covered with dust, and i do believe if it is still there the paint is gone... when i look at old plant pictures and after even the stacks ect. seem to be dust covered or removed of some paint..
by fitter at 3/29/2011 2:19:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:19:44 PM" ) )8:19 AM
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Nap time for me. All the postings, pictures, illustrations, news links, and videos have been sorted and archived, up to about an hour ago anyway here
www.poudreinternetservice.comby Brad at 3/29/2011 2:19:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:19:38 PM" ) )8:19 AM
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@all, I started an FAQ page. This isn't to put links etc. George has all of that well in hand. It is a running document we can use to answer questions that get repeated frequently as people come and go. IE: what is the glowing light on the TEPCO webcam, what is the big yellow thing in reactor #4, what are common conversions and symbols etc. I put a single question and answer in there for some starting content and formatting. If you think of a question and the proper answer please direct it to me if I am on and actively discussing or email it to me at: lillymunster (at) gmail.com and I will add it to the FAQ. I do need help populating this but I think it may help answer questions that have already been determined. If anyone knows a way to let multiple people edit the document let me know and I can add people to edit it.
www.scribd.comby Nancy at 3/29/2011 2:19:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:19:12 PM" ) )8:19 AM
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I found this interesting segment in the 4th pinned article above from MSNBC which clearly points out the hugely contradictory, and perhaps impossible nature of what they're trying to do at Fukushima: QUOTE: "The contaminated water has been emitting radiation exposures more than four times the amount the government considers safe for workers and must be pumped out before electricity can be restored to the cooling system.
That has left officials struggling with two crucial but sometimes contradictory efforts: Pumping in water to keep the fuel rods cool and pumping out contaminated water and safely storing it.
Nuclear safety official Hidehiko Nishiyama said cooling the reactors had taken precedence over concerns about leakage."
by James Ward at 3/29/2011 2:19:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:19:05 PM" ) )8:19 AM
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@Salvador -- see www.nucleartourist.com for image of refueling floor with floor panels in place above PCV top dome. If this is still in place, then you would not see yellow dome in aerial images.
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Joshua Diamond [ofc] via
Nucleartourist at 3/29/2011 2:18:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:18:59 PM" ) )8:18 AM
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@Jushua Diamond You are right, but from the pictures I've seen (and posted here) the whole top of cement containment in #3 is destroyed. Take a look at the two screenshots below the reactor image. That's what I assume to be the top of the Steel Containment Vessel.
by Salvador at 3/29/2011 2:16:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:16:11 PM" ) )8:16 AM
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Salvador's images and the question if the containment yellow cap and the red reactor cap are gone and if so where they went. Would a hydrogen explosion burn off the yellow paint? Was the explosion enough to eject the yellow cap clear of the complex? Would it be enough to disintegrate it? I have no clue of the thickness of the cap metal, or the physics involved.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 2:10:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:10:22 PM" ) )8:10 AM
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@Salvador -- note that in normal operation the top dome of the PCV is not visible - as it is covered with flat floor panels. See images of refueling floor under normal operation shown here a few days ago.
by Joshua Diamond [ofc] at 3/29/2011 2:08:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:08:00 PM" ) )8:08 AM
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@George -- Check the scribd PDF. I updated it and the Word version with your new headlines. Moved yesterday headlines to the tail of the document.
by Markfm at 3/29/2011 2:07:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:07:46 PM" ) )8:07 AM
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Thanks for the link elise
by Kat at 3/29/2011 2:07:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:07:02 PM" ) )8:07 AM
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by elise at 3/29/2011 2:06:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:06:02 PM" ) )8:06 AM
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apparently, due to the abolishment of nuclear tests, especially in the atmosphere,
en.wikipedia.org ~ these levels are not only very low they are now detected with much more sensitivity. in the surrounding area of japan, however...
by elise at 3/29/2011 2:02:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:02:42 PM" ) )8:02 AM
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@kaykod yw - also take a look at the work Brad has done
by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 2:01:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:01:40 PM" ) )8:01 AM
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@George, thanks for the headlines in front of the links at the pinned news on top. They make it much easier to know which links to click on to get the quick update before reading the board.
by kaykod at 3/29/2011 2:00:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 2:00:57 PM" ) )8:00 AM
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There was another 6.1 earthquake this morning off the coast of Japan.
www.enewspf.comby Stormy at 3/29/2011 1:53:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:53:59 PM" ) )7:53 AM
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@James Ward People should be able to make up their own minds about how much is dangerous. They can't do that without all the data being made available.
by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 1:53:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:53:35 PM" ) )7:53 AM
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@Salvador, I think you can see the reactor vessel lid in your images. Steam is emanating from its rim. But where is the yellow dome? Dean Identified the black blob as the remnants of the crane. Poor crane. Perhaps you are right and the dome fell into the other building.
by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 1:51:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:51:53 PM" ) )7:51 AM
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@James Ward - People would be even more skeptical if nothing were reported. What's bothering me is the numbers aren't being widely disseminated, and therefore not compared to legal tolerances.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/29/2011 1:51:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:51:02 PM" ) )7:51 AM
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by Kat at 3/29/2011 1:50:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:50:53 PM" ) )7:50 AM
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@Patrick Kelley When the system was originally built, it was designed to not only detect atomic tests worldwide but to also determine what levels of radioactivity could potentially have an impact on human health. I personally don't understand the rationale for reporting low levels of radioactivity if it's not dangerous. Most people these days have a healthy skepticism toward anything reported by any government.
by James Ward at 3/29/2011 1:50:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:50:14 PM" ) )7:50 AM
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a hearing in the states on the situation at fukushima will be starting at 10am est. US Senate Committee on Energy & Natural Resources:
energy.senate.govby elise at 3/29/2011 1:48:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:48:28 PM" ) )7:48 AM
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@Salvador - A reactor open at the top will not spread radioactivity all that far other than in the steam it lets off. It will be highly localized, and the amount will depend upon what's going on inside the reactor. As we can see, the contamination levels of the water vary wildly from #1 (not very much) to #s 2 and 3 (A metric fuckload and a shit-ton, respectively). The great majority of the radiation spread off-site has been from the spent fuel pools.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/29/2011 1:47:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:47:57 PM" ) )7:47 AM
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@Peter Melzer Maybe a rational answer would be that the yellow lid of the steel containment vessel was blown of but the second lid, the one that closes of the reactor body itself, held. That may be the reason why there aren't catastrophic radiation levels. Maybe the lid is the reason for the huge hole in the Number #3 turbine building? Thanks for your comment!
by Salvador at 3/29/2011 1:43:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:43:10 PM" ) )7:43 AM
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Beware, I'm back...
by Joshua Diamond [ofc] at 3/29/2011 1:41:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:41:21 PM" ) )7:41 AM
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i believe that the sensors have probably been there since the cold war actually...
by elise at 3/29/2011 1:38:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:38:08 PM" ) )7:38 AM
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@James the system is set up to detect any atomic test worldwide. These were set up on fears on nuclear testing in Iran-Syria-et al. It's just another way for us to keep a good "big brother is watching"
by Patrick Kelley at 3/29/2011 1:37:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:37:09 PM" ) )7:37 AM
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I will be back later...
by dean at 3/29/2011 1:35:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:35:56 PM" ) )7:35 AM
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@MaryMary fannyy, freddy, aig, Chevrolet/gmc
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 1:35:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:35:29 PM" ) )7:35 AM
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@NHK Listener: it is a enormous incentive to make changes...
by elise at 3/29/2011 1:35:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:35:28 PM" ) )7:35 AM
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@Salavador, inspecting the images is a great idea. We can learn a lot from the details. You can compare to the infrared images posted a few days, which agrees very much with your labeling. Yesterday night, when we tried to identify the pieces we were seeing on the floor of reactor #3, we could see that the yellow dome over the reactor containment was missing. I think it is important to find it. I assumed that the explosion occurred in the the hall. But that the lid was gone may mean that the explosion originated in the containment. Depending on were it landed and in what state it is may tell us something about the force of the explosion.
by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 1:35:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:35:03 PM" ) )7:35 AM
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@Stormy Excellent point. Why set up a detection system designed to alarm when a certain level of radioactivity is reached unless that level is actually a cause for concern?
by James Ward at 3/29/2011 1:34:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:34:25 PM" ) )7:34 AM
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Japan mulls Tokyo Electric nationalization www.reuters.com If the GoP "nationalizes" TEPCO, won't that mean that the taxpayers of Japan will eventually pay for this whole debacle? What a system! (shakes head)
by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 1:33:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:33:21 PM" ) )7:33 AM
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by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 1:32:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:32:14 PM" ) )7:32 AM
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@elise They are going to try and make the whole country renewable energy of some sort. Will they set and example for the world? Probably only time will tell.
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 1:30:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:30:48 PM" ) )7:30 AM
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Number of people killed 11,168
Number of people missing 16,407
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 1:28:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:28:36 PM" ) )7:28 AM
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I'm curious as to why all these different countries/cities keep saying, "Elevated levels yada, yada, yada..." Then follow it up with a basic, "No need to worry. The levels aren't high enough to be harmful." Why do they even announce it?
by Stormy at 3/29/2011 1:28:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:28:03 PM" ) )7:28 AM
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@NHK Listener: i believe they are the litmus test of what is sustainable..is it sustainable to keep putting reactive materials into the soil, water and atmosphere?
by elise at 3/29/2011 1:27:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:27:41 PM" ) )7:27 AM
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@All I will remove the pinned news update as soon as I return from a few errands. ty
by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 1:27:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:27:38 PM" ) )7:27 AM
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Klick on the link after my comment to see a zoomable version.
by Salvador at 3/29/2011 1:27:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:27:34 PM" ) )7:27 AM
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@Peter Melzer I have made a compilation of video stills for reactor #3. Take a look. Comments? i.imgur.com
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Salvador via
I.imgur at 3/29/2011 1:26:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:26:10 PM" ) )7:26 AM
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So will japan be the litmus test on renewable energy?
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 1:25:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:25:17 PM" ) )7:25 AM
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(The last post was a link mentioning the IAEA lab at Sieberdorf.)
by Markfm at 3/29/2011 1:23:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:23:30 PM" ) )7:23 AM
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@Duncan No, sorry. It was just a weather forecast, the weather people said they couldn't calculate the radiation levels because it depended on too many factors. I forgot to add that it will likely rain too, washing out particles the wind blew over Tokyo.
by Salvador at 3/29/2011 1:23:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:23:23 PM" ) )7:23 AM
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by Markfm at 3/29/2011 1:23:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:23:01 PM" ) )7:23 AM
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BBC News: "'Fukushima nuclear' plant radiation detected in Glasgow" QUOTE: "Low levels of radioactive iodine believed to be from the Fukushima nuclear plant in Japan have been detected in air samples in Glasgow.
The Scottish Environment Protection Agency (Sepa) said the concentration of iodine found was "extremely low" and "not of concern for the public".
The Fukushima plant was crippled after being hit by a tsunami in the aftermath of a huge earthquake on 11 March."
www.bbc.co.ukby James Ward at 3/29/2011 1:22:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:22:59 PM" ) )7:22 AM
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@Stormy I agree, they often do gate collections, this is the biggest by far, it was awesome to see.
by Canadian at 3/29/2011 1:22:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:22:21 PM" ) )7:22 AM
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yvw Peter
by dean at 3/29/2011 1:22:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:22:05 PM" ) )7:22 AM
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@MaryMary Washington state
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 1:21:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:21:58 PM" ) )7:21 AM
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by asdf at 3/29/2011 1:21:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:21:51 PM" ) )7:21 AM
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Austria?
by asdf at 3/29/2011 1:21:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:21:30 PM" ) )7:21 AM
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@dean, I discovered them. Thanks so much for your time.
by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 1:21:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:21:21 PM" ) )7:21 AM
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Hi All - i was browsing the IAEA site and it says the radioactive samples are analysed at Seiberdorf - anyone know where that is?
by fiona at 3/29/2011 1:20:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:20:27 PM" ) )7:20 AM
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elise.. steelers nation... as in PITTS.... ?
by dean at 3/29/2011 1:20:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:20:14 PM" ) )7:20 AM
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Peter I put the questions that were asked of me in the room last night with the answers to them..
by dean at 3/29/2011 1:19:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:19:54 PM" ) )7:19 AM
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@ Canadian - That's awesome! Even more amazing they were able to match it in only 2 hours. Well done!
by Stormy at 3/29/2011 1:19:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:19:36 PM" ) )7:19 AM
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steelers nation this morning...hope all are well ~
by elise at 3/29/2011 1:19:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:19:25 PM" ) )7:19 AM
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hank.. both systems would be ok, I prefer the one that gives the water level in the reactor vessel the greatest height, but both should work. if there is a flow path through the core and out that is what's needed.
by dean at 3/29/2011 1:19:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:19:19 PM" ) )7:19 AM
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Hi Dean. :o)
by Stormy at 3/29/2011 1:17:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:17:53 PM" ) )7:17 AM
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@dean, @fitter, it would be great to post a list of relevant questions and answers periodically here though. I hope that does not generate too much work.
by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 1:17:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:17:43 PM" ) )7:17 AM
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@Salvador Regarding that article about wind directions. Does it say anything about the level of radiation that could reach Tokyo?
by Duncan at 3/29/2011 1:17:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:17:40 PM" ) )7:17 AM
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@dean - Can you comment on the difference between using the Fire Extinguish Line and the Water Supply Line to cool the Mark I reactor? Unit 1 is using the WSL and #'s 2 and 3 are using the FEL. Would the WSL allow sufficient flow to hold or increase the water line?
arstechnica.comby Hank Scorpio at 3/29/2011 1:17:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:17:34 PM" ) )7:17 AM
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I found this the other day about our local plant and thought it was worth sharing, nice to see support for those working at Fukushima.
Bruce Power employees collect more than $80,000 for Fukushima workers
By: The Canadian Press
March 24, 2011 TIVERTON, Ont. (The Canadian Press)
Workers at the Bruce nuclear generating station in Tiverton, Ont., are helping those who work at the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant in Japan.
Bruce Power and its employees raised more than $80,000 during a two hour campaign Tuesday morning at the plant about 60 kilometres southwest of Owen Sound.
A site-wide gate collection raised $41,000 and Bruce Power matched the employees donations.
The figure is expected to rise as employees have until Friday to contribute.
Bruce Power spokesman John Peevers says the money will go directly to the workers of the Fukushima plant in Japan and their families.
Copyright (c) 2011 The Canadian Press
by Canadian at 3/29/2011 1:16:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:16:56 PM" ) )7:16 AM
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hello stormy ... I once knew a lady who chatted named stormy
by dean at 3/29/2011 1:16:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:16:53 PM" ) )7:16 AM
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I believe things are in the works from an international standpoint to come in to establish a more robust recovery organization. I even read where Russia Emergency ministry said all differences put aside they will prepare to help, This is what I have been hoping for,,, get the international community of expertise in and resources to bring closure much faster.
by dean at 3/29/2011 1:16:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:16:16 PM" ) )7:16 AM
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@Yuri - I wonder if any of the workers that have been relieved by other workers have to stay on-site? I haven't seen any personal interviews from workers. Has anyone else? If so, can you provide a link?
by Stormy at 3/29/2011 1:15:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:15:25 PM" ) )7:15 AM
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Tepco should be nationalized and the CEO and the higher mangers kicked out ASAP. They are just playing salami tactics.
by Salvador at 3/29/2011 1:14:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:14:25 PM" ) )7:14 AM
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I have every thing set up now.. ty George
by dean at 3/29/2011 1:14:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:14:09 PM" ) )7:14 AM
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Bloomberg article: "Tepco Plunges by 19% Daily Limit Amid Speculation It Will Be Nationalized" QUOTE: "Prime Minister Naoto Kan said for the first time today that the Fukushima Dai-Ichi plant’s tsunami defenses were inadequate.
Tepco’s sea wall, designed to withstand a 5.5-meter (18- foot) wave, was breached by a surge estimated by the government to be almost three times higher following the magnitude-9 earthquake. Back-up diesel generators for cooling systems, which could have prevented the nuclear disaster, were positioned in a basement swamped by the wave."
www.bloomberg.com by James Ward at 3/29/2011 1:12:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:12:27 PM" ) )7:12 AM
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It's the 29th still in Japan for another 2 hours.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/29/2011 1:12:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:12:15 PM" ) )7:12 AM
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@NHK Listener...lol...that's what happens when there are 12 hours between you...today is the 29th for me...you are a day ahead of me....
by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 1:11:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:11:42 PM" ) )7:11 AM
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So i wonder if bringing in new workers each week means they can never quite have enough learned experience to fix things correctly.
by Yuri at 3/29/2011 1:11:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:11:39 PM" ) )7:11 AM
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I found more info about the workers and their life inside the plant:
english.kyodonews.jp "Most workers are replaced by others in one week. Mobile phones cannot be used as no signals reach there. ''The workers are doing their best while they cannot even contact their family members,'' Yokota said."
by Yuri at 3/29/2011 1:10:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:10:50 PM" ) )7:10 AM
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@all A few computer performance issues today.. grrr
by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 1:10:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:10:30 PM" ) )7:10 AM
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@MaryMary Posted today but is old info by a day
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 1:10:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:10:26 PM" ) )7:10 AM
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@Hank...NHK's link to www.jaif.or.jp is today's
by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 1:09:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:09:24 PM" ) )7:09 AM
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by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 1:09:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:09:19 PM" ) )7:09 AM
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This story is about the workers and the conditions they are enduring.A human interest piece which I feel is pretty important because sometimes is easy to get caught up in technical side of this disaster. I couldn't imagine being in their place.
www.reuters.comby Stormy at 3/29/2011 1:08:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:08:20 PM" ) )7:08 AM
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@Hank Scorpio Yeah as of yesterday the are a full day behind now.. new reports prob won't be out for another 12 hrs or better
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 1:08:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:08:18 PM" ) )7:08 AM
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@NHK - Been there. That's all old data from a day ago.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/29/2011 1:07:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:07:19 PM" ) )7:07 AM
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by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 1:06:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:06:21 PM" ) )7:06 AM
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Wendsday evening the wind direction will change and a strong wind will bring nuclear particles from Fukushima to Tokyo. Source is NTV.de (german newsticker)
www.n-tv.deby Salvador at 3/29/2011 1:05:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:05:45 PM" ) )7:05 AM
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just testing avatar
by Canadian at 3/29/2011 1:05:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:05:39 PM" ) )7:05 AM
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@Hank Scorpio Sure can
by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 1:05:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:05:30 PM" ) )7:05 AM
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@NHK - I want to see the NISA ones with pressure and temperature data. #1 is having issues it shouldn't.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/29/2011 1:04:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:04:35 PM" ) )7:04 AM
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@George Gibb - Can you pin dean's email up top?
by Hank Scorpio at 3/29/2011 1:04:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:04:10 PM" ) )7:04 AM
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The jaif reports have new data
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 1:03:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:03:32 PM" ) )7:03 AM
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dean4fukushimahelp@gmail.com
by dean at 3/29/2011 1:03:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:03:22 PM" ) )7:03 AM
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@dean - What's the address?
by Hank Scorpio at 3/29/2011 1:02:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:02:38 PM" ) )7:02 AM
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by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 1:02:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:02:03 PM" ) )7:02 AM
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by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 1:01:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:01:32 PM" ) )7:01 AM
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ok I'm set up with the gmail.com one
by dean at 3/29/2011 1:01:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 1:01:01 PM" ) )7:01 AM
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Got myself an avatar too. This situation isn't going away anytime soon. :-(((
by Salvador at 3/29/2011 12:59:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:59:05 PM" ) )6:59 AM
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@mainejen We're working on trying to stream line the pinned messages sections
by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 12:59:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:59:01 PM" ) )6:59 AM
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by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 12:58:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:58:28 PM" ) )6:58 AM
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Anyone else notice NISA hasn't posted their daily update?
by Hank Scorpio at 3/29/2011 12:57:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:57:58 PM" ) )6:57 AM
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@Dean Gmx DOT com also has a freebie mail service that is good for a throwaway account, one to use specifically for this evolution. I created one to make a scribd account for the Daily News Articles.
by Markfm at 3/29/2011 12:57:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:57:31 PM" ) )6:57 AM
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@George -- Nice job by Brad. Whatever is convenient to use is what matters.
by Markfm at 3/29/2011 12:57:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:57:06 PM" ) )6:57 AM
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@Salvador got your email, on my large monitor not lap pc, much better to look at thanks
by fitter at 3/29/2011 12:55:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:55:11 PM" ) )6:55 AM
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by ifz at 3/29/2011 12:52:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:52:42 PM" ) )6:52 AM
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ok hank
by dean at 3/29/2011 12:51:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:51:10 PM" ) )6:51 AM
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The water in the condenser / turbine loop and internal coolant loop is highly radioactive as it passes straight trough the reactor core. It makes a lot of sence to send it back to do the job its meant to do , cool the reactors. salt water is damaging the systems and fuel rods and they are now using fresh water to inject instead to avoid more damage. Under nomal operation the heat exchanger and other systems cool the internal water. I hope they are soon able to restore proper systems to cool the reactors and spent pool. Atleast they now have some electric pumps injecting fresh water rather than using fire pumps and seawater and much of the electricity supply is restored so sensors , valves and controls will work from the control room. this makes controlling it much easyer since they can see water levels and other data in the control room rather than just guess and risk overfilling pools. Also the temperatures is dropping in the reactors so if they can repair the leaky and messed up systems they should be fine. My guess is pipes are leaking after concrete falling on them caused damage.
by Kristian at 3/29/2011 12:50:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:50:56 PM" ) )6:50 AM
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George I just sent you an email... , fitter that sounds good.. I'll find a way to get it done
by dean at 3/29/2011 12:50:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:50:47 PM" ) )6:50 AM
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@dean - Just go to gmail and register for a free email address.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/29/2011 12:50:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:50:44 PM" ) )6:50 AM
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@george gibb: i prefer the daily news roundup pinned, but maybe it takes up too much room on the top of the page... thanks for keeping this blog up
by mainejen at 3/29/2011 12:50:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:50:41 PM" ) )6:50 AM
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@dean don't ask me the only time i can watch tv is when my son is home from college... to many electronics... i'm still lookin for spell check on this site
by fitter at 3/29/2011 12:50:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:50:08 PM" ) )6:50 AM
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fitter.. that sounds good... how do I get that accomplished..
by dean at 3/29/2011 12:48:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:48:35 PM" ) )6:48 AM
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@dean you need a mail box so we can leave uestions and links that are not 30 pages back by the time we see you again... thanks so much for all you help
by fitter at 3/29/2011 12:47:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:47:33 PM" ) )6:47 AM
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@Markfm Check out the work Brad has done pinned
by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 12:47:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:47:32 PM" ) )6:47 AM
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@alblee I live in Kochi, so distance-wise am almost as far from Fukushima as you can be within 'mainland' Japan. Even here though the shops sold out of water a good few days ago (interesting to read of 'reports' of water selling out in Tokyo!) and while there is certainly no food shortage stocks of certain items are getting less. My impression is that while a lot of people feel Fukushima is far away, there is also an increasing unease. I haven't talked to anyone who has a good word to say about TEPCO or the government. North of here is Ikata nuclear power station, which is one of the few in Japan to have MOX. As you would expect it is built on a fault line. Seems to be a required planning feature.
by Will at 3/29/2011 12:47:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:47:09 PM" ) )6:47 AM
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ok thanks... be back
by dean at 3/29/2011 12:44:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:44:05 PM" ) )6:44 AM
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lol
by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 12:43:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:43:58 PM" ) )6:43 AM
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@Dean Logout, then just below where you see Display Name (the box where you type Dean when you login), is the Avatar button.
by Markfm at 3/29/2011 12:43:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:43:43 PM" ) )6:43 AM
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@Dean....Logout....click on Choose Avatar (under sign in box)...then re-sign in with Display Name...
by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 12:43:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:43:35 PM" ) )6:43 AM
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@fitter Just follow the link below the picture and you will be transfered to a version of the picture that can be enlarged. If you want to save it, just give it a right mouse click and than click on "save graphic".
by Salvador at 3/29/2011 12:40:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:40:35 PM" ) )6:40 AM
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I feel like I need an avatar to go along with others... but now, how is it accomplished may I ask
by dean at 3/29/2011 12:39:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:39:37 PM" ) )6:39 AM
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right nancy.. the radioactivity of the water could increase if re-used,
by dean at 3/29/2011 12:38:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:38:50 PM" ) )6:38 AM
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@George Gibb w/Dean....hear, hear! So glad to see it still maintaining high levels of discussion and information sharing...
by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 12:38:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:38:43 PM" ) )6:38 AM
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much respect to George and others that have matured this room and all the links covering this accident. well done
by dean at 3/29/2011 12:36:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:36:58 PM" ) )6:36 AM
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If they are swapping water around to reuse it, does it increase the amount of radiation in the water each time they use it? Sounds like it would work to reuse what is there and cool for everything except spraying the SFPs.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 12:36:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:36:41 PM" ) )6:36 AM
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@Mary Mary The danger is that I have confirmation bias because I came up with this theory. Maybe that thing that looks like the upper top of the containment vessel is something else. I can't be sure, just argue from the visuals I have in front of me.
by Salvador at 3/29/2011 12:35:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:35:30 PM" ) )6:35 AM
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Just a brief comment on the potential distribution of close-up camera images from robots or any other device. TEPCO is going to fight the release any images from inside the reactor buildings that may help any legal case being built against them. TEPCO is in legal hot water and, if they can possibly help it, they will not allow the release of any video or still photos proving they were negligent in any way. TEPCO is going to do their best to pass the blame to the massive quake and tsunami...natural events no one expected at those levels. My guess is the Japanese Government and nuclear regulatory agencies will back TEPCO because they are in this as deep as TEPCO.
by James Ward at 3/29/2011 12:35:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:35:13 PM" ) )6:35 AM
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Morning Dean
by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 12:35:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:35:09 PM" ) )6:35 AM
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good morning to everyone..
by dean at 3/29/2011 12:34:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:34:18 PM" ) )6:34 AM
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@nancy 1) is the condenser water hot? if not would that not be better to (it should still have chemicals that are put in it) to send to the ocean??? 2) are they saving it if clean to use as fresh water source
by fitter at 3/29/2011 12:34:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:34:01 PM" ) )6:34 AM
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by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 12:30:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:30:42 PM" ) )6:30 AM
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Today's Newspaper Roundup
by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 12:30:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:30:20 PM" ) )6:30 AM
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@Salvadore...wow...I see now what you were talking about last night...wasn't what I thought at all, at all...
by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 12:29:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:29:59 PM" ) )6:29 AM
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They are pumping the waterpuddles to the main condenser so it can be reused to cool the reactors when they restore the coolant systems
by Kristian at 3/29/2011 12:28:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:28:58 PM" ) )6:28 AM
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@Nancy Into other containers. Problem is the condenser of one of the reactors, not sure if it's #3, is already full. They were trying to find an alternative. Sending it into the ocean is not an option. They are actually trying to keep water from leaking towards the ocean and they don't have much time. They can't be holding down the cooling procedures much longer otherwise temperature's will start to rise again.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 12:25:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:25:50 PM" ) )6:25 AM
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@Pedro, I'm afraid to ask, where are they pumping it to?
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 12:20:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:20:37 PM" ) )6:20 AM
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strange, no mentioning of Pip-Boy 3000...
by ifz at 3/29/2011 12:19:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:19:07 PM" ) )6:19 AM
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@salvador can you e-mail the detail one with circle you just posted, i really am not computor savey
by fitter at 3/29/2011 12:17:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:17:00 PM" ) )6:17 AM
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by ifz at 3/29/2011 12:16:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:16:47 PM" ) )6:16 AM
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@Nancy I'm curious about how they are going to handle that. But they have started pumping the water out already.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 12:16:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:16:42 PM" ) )6:16 AM
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@fitter I just sent you a test email.
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 12:16:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:16:07 PM" ) )6:16 AM
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@Pedro, they seem to still be at a loss what to do with the water. Are they thinking they can get some sort of recirculation system working? Otherwise they have lots of wastewater and nowhere to put it all.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 12:14:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:14:21 PM" ) )6:14 AM
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@Tenzing ken.albert@erols.com please make it so i know it you, buisness computor can't afford to crash.. so i only open to people i know thanks.. I am older and eyes not what they used to be.. can you link a photo that i can open and zoom into.. having had time decipering what is Rail" vs what is small diam pipe.. also i am not to good on photo shop.. windows 7 is kick my ass...
by fitter at 3/29/2011 12:13:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:13:10 PM" ) )6:13 AM
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@Nancy The radiation should drop has temperature and pressure drops. And according to the data available that has been the trend in the last few days, despite some daily spikes. Four or five days ago the radiation around the plant was over the 200 microSv and now it has been closer to 100 microSv than to 200 microSv. Reactor's temperature have been slowly dropping as well. These are slightly good signs.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 12:12:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:12:22 PM" ) )6:12 AM
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@Salvador, do you have the original image you used to make your recent photo set? I need a copy.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 12:12:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:12:04 PM" ) )6:12 AM
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@Pedro, what is concerning about that direction is what do they do to limit radiation output? Esp. if they start removing material. Wondering how they would do that without releasing more radition.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 12:09:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:09:21 PM" ) )6:09 AM
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@fitter OK. I need your email address
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 12:08:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:08:57 PM" ) )6:08 AM
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pedro, don't bet on it... engineers design our profit.. when bidding a job... we have a cost setion that we use to add what the add'l $ will be to "construct" what they design.... just because you can theorize it doen't mean you can "physicaly" build it that way...
by fitter at 3/29/2011 12:08:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:08:51 PM" ) )6:08 AM
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@Nancy Well, according to what I've read and to what dean mentioned, the best solution at the moment is to cool everything down. If they achieve that in the near future more options will open up.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/29/2011 12:08:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:08:19 PM" ) )6:08 AM
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At 10:54 AM (UTC), in off the east coast of Honshu there was a seismic activity of magnitude 6.3 and depth 18.20Km
by janet-k at 3/29/2011 12:06:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 12:06:50 PM" ) )6:06 AM
