I think they are watching the reactor vessel pressures and containment pressures and trying to maintain balance... they can vent.. but.. at the expense of releasing to the atmosphere... any hydrogen issue would be if there is a pocket in the building where it can accumulate to an explosion concentration..
by dean at 3/29/2011 7:55:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:55:33 PM" ) )1:55 PM
@Nancy - you got it now.
by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 7:54:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:54:57 PM" ) )1:54 PM
@NKH Listener: They didn't find Pu-237 though, did they? Just saying detecting Pu-238 alone only means that the plutonium came from 'a reactor' at some point in the last few years. No way of knowing/telling if that was deposited 2 weeks ago in an explosion or half a year ago when the Pu/MOX was delivered to Fukushima.
by sims at 3/29/2011 7:54:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:54:34 PM" ) )1:54 PM
@Dean *Report* 29Mar 4:00; analyzing data on plant parameters: #1> temp and pressure in RPV has increased since ystdy. Dyrwell pressure is lower than operating press. by almost half. Suppression pool (or s/chamber) has risen a bit. #2.) RPV pressure is realatively stable at a very low value, temp is increasing. S/P remains down scale/under survey. #3.) RPV pressure is increasing slightly, temp fairly stable. < normal operating pressure of RPV= 0.42747mPa; normal operating pressure of drywell=0.485mPa, drywell max=0.528mPa: all values given at absolute pressure> *opinion* data supports breach of #2 RPV; data indicates leak of containment in #3; Data indicates potentially more trouble in #1*
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 7:02:55 PM2:02 PM
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 7:54:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:54:29 PM" ) )1:54 PM
@Gordon I think the most complexity is not mechanical but political. In that realm I'm lost.
by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 7:54:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:54:28 PM" ) )1:54 PM
@NHK Listener BraveNewClimate is ridiculously pro nuclear. Your statement makes no sense, as the plutonium in the SPF is just as likely a source, as we KNOW that all of them have been at least partially uncovered since the 11th.
by Sin at 3/29/2011 7:54:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:54:27 PM" ) )1:54 PM
@Leth. Video from land looking out to ocean, still image from ocean looking towards land.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 7:54:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:54:19 PM" ) )1:54 PM
Yes, fitter knows someone at the International Society of Explosives Engineers
by markfm at 3/29/2011 7:54:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:54:17 PM" ) )1:54 PM
@George: You there? I'm at my office... hence, new IP address.
by Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 7:53:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:53:31 PM" ) )1:53 PM
Halleluiah!! Someone is thinking: "Amid increasing fears of workers being exposed to high levels of radiation at the plant, hospitals in Tokyo called on the workers to provide samples of their blood-forming hematopoietic 'stem cells' ahead of possible massive exposure. english.kyodonews.jp
by Karen Warren at 3/29/2011 7:53:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:53:30 PM" ) )1:53 PM
@radioguy Wasn't it fitter that was gonna call someone?
by es at 3/29/2011 7:52:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:52:53 PM" ) )1:52 PM
Go Nancy :)
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 7:52:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:52:53 PM" ) )1:52 PM
@all Those last readings posted on the pressures and temperatures. Above design limits somewhat, right? They'll need to vent it soon?
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 7:52:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:52:48 PM" ) )1:52 PM
yes I am that person.. I"ve had so many questions I get mixed up .. I need to hire nancy to keep track.. whewwwwww
by dean at 3/29/2011 7:52:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:52:22 PM" ) )1:52 PM
Good morning All :-) ... Lovely morning here in New Zealand, sun shining 8.50am, just had a healthy breakfast and relaxing at my desk. So very happy that I live in the southern hemisphere and that our wind / weather systems largely isolate us from any fallout from such events as Chernobyl and this current Japan crisis. I must say that the analytical skills and technical ability of some of the regular commentators on here is really astounding, I am constantly amazed by the extremely well thought out comments on here. I must say though that several commentators seem to be forgetting that the principle of simplicity still applies here in fact speaking to colleagues who work in this area I am given to understand that the more complex the problem the more we tend to discount the obvious. I was just wondering why there are more "complex scenarios" posted here rather than the simple and obvious?
by Gordon at 3/29/2011 7:52:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:52:10 PM" ) )1:52 PM
so the pressure and heat will just crack the vessel and not explode?
by dp at 3/29/2011 7:51:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:51:51 PM" ) )1:51 PM
@Nancy. I was also struck while watching video of No. 3 explosion of how very enormous those pieces of debris were that the explosive force lofted high into the air. Your idea of tracking where they could have landed is brilliant. The work this group is doing blows me away.
by Sky at 3/29/2011 7:51:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:51:45 PM" ) )1:51 PM
I'll let you get settled. Maybe I'm mixed up with peoples comings and goings (how could that be?)... weren't you the one who had the friend expert on explosions you were going to try to ask about the R3 hydrogen explosion on the 14th?
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 7:51:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:51:04 PM" ) )1:51 PM
Plutonium-238 irradiated with fission neutrons has a 3.669-millibarn cross section for absorbing one and then losing two.
This of course yields the isotope plutonium-237, which has the sort of half-life we’re looking for: 45.2 days. Source of plutonium other than Fukushima cores are many times longer ago than that, but those cores’ shutdown is much less time ago, so it could only come from them. bravenewclimate.com
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 7:50:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:50:50 PM" ) )1:50 PM
NO dp...
by dean at 3/29/2011 7:50:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:50:50 PM" ) )1:50 PM
@Nancy -just a opposite perspective from the blast footage as the ocean was in the background on the blast footage.
by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 7:50:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:50:29 PM" ) )1:50 PM
Dean - based on R1 info we have... do you see it blowing itself up soon?
by dp at 3/29/2011 7:50:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:50:20 PM" ) )1:50 PM
yes yes.. Jim.. we should syndicate and go live talk.. ha ha... or maybe we should say.. WE'LL SELL the information to the scientists for the WAY IT REALLY HAPPENED..
by dean at 3/29/2011 7:50:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:50:04 PM" ) )1:50 PM
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 7:50:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:50:03 PM" ) )1:50 PM
Here is the youtube video, taken from the land side of the plants. Thus, how I assumed 3rd from left on the oceanside picture to be #3.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 7:49:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:49:57 PM" ) )1:49 PM
@NHK none of them - Pu 238 is 88 years, Pu 239/240 are >5000 years.
by sims at 3/29/2011 7:49:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:49:53 PM" ) )1:49 PM
@dean agreed- we are part of history here. like it or no. I am so very proud of us all... though i wish I'd met you all under better conditions.
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 7:49:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:49:51 PM" ) )1:49 PM
@dean We're bleeding edge.
by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 7:49:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:49:20 PM" ) )1:49 PM
radioguy.. help me refresh things.. you mean the damage or will another one occur?
by dean at 3/29/2011 7:48:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:48:54 PM" ) )1:48 PM
Meretisa.. what is being done here is as unprecedented as the accident itself.. this will become the place to be on these accidents with all the links and pinned information and all the people who have contributed and is learning more and more to help those who know nothing or are starting from scratch
by dean at 3/29/2011 7:48:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:48:18 PM" ) )1:48 PM
@sims Which one has a 45 hour half life
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 7:48:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:48:15 PM" ) )1:48 PM
@dean No, I meant about the R3 explosion.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 7:48:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:48:06 PM" ) )1:48 PM
@James, you think I have the picture flipped?
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 7:47:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:47:49 PM" ) )1:47 PM
@Joshua I cringed, then laughed to read the update you Just posted. The Plutonium at the site originates from the Uranium at the site. Those guys are geniuses! And very forthcoming.
by Bev at 3/29/2011 7:47:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:47:44 PM" ) )1:47 PM
@Jim Carver I found it invaluable to get reference on all the photos and vid.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 7:47:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:47:35 PM" ) )1:47 PM
@Openmind. Large things people thought could be in there, the green crane, concrete cap, containment or reactor caps (less so on the reactor cap) and extremely large parts of the building. I am less inclined to believe building pieces because they have such dark smoke compared to the rest of the blast.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 7:47:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:47:19 PM" ) )1:47 PM
radioguy,, at this point they don't think an explosion unless there is degradation or changing circumstances and they did not rule those out
by dean at 3/29/2011 7:47:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:47:04 PM" ) )1:47 PM
@Meretisa Yes. Now is no time to stop being ahead of the curve.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 7:46:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:46:54 PM" ) )1:46 PM
@spanish_reader I'll gladly look at your English translation and make it better English if you need that, although your English looks pretty good to me already! My Spanish isn't upto understanding things well enough to translate something like that into English myself though
by Indreba at 3/29/2011 7:46:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:46:49 PM" ) )1:46 PM
@Lethbridgean Yep...agree. Definitely Reactor #2 in Nancy's pic outlined in red.
by James Ward at 3/29/2011 7:46:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:46:41 PM" ) )1:46 PM
@NKH: they found Pu 238, 239 and 240.. 239 and 240 is from nuke tests, 238 is primarily for/from reactors.
by sims at 3/29/2011 7:46:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:46:28 PM" ) )1:46 PM
I was looking at google earth last night. Not real time, but good historical view.
by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 7:46:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:46:23 PM" ) )1:46 PM
@dean Good to see you. Did you talk to your friend about the explosion?
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 7:46:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:46:15 PM" ) )1:46 PM
they are able to tell the difference between pu from past testing or from the reactors by many factors one being the energy level..
by dean at 3/29/2011 7:46:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:46:03 PM" ) )1:46 PM
@sims They found pu 240
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 7:45:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:45:34 PM" ) )1:45 PM
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@Nancy - It does seem like the concrete cap could be part of that mess that shot up in the air.
by openmind at 3/29/2011 7:45:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:45:34 PM" ) )1:45 PM
@Dean- once you catch up- what do you think our direction here should be? it seems that our fears are being confirmed so how can we best focus our energy now?
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 7:45:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:45:28 PM" ) )1:45 PM
@NKH Listener: they detected so little plutonium I doubt they'd even be able to tell if it was deposited there recently or was left-over from some botch-job during its delivery or anything else.. All they were able to determine is that some of it was Pu-238, which is more common in reactors rather than nuke tests.
by sims at 3/29/2011 7:45:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:45:07 PM" ) )1:45 PM
yes NHK.. you look at the daughter products or fission fragments
by dean at 3/29/2011 7:44:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:44:47 PM" ) )1:44 PM
@Indreba Great. Stick around. There's lots of info and facts here.
by es at 3/29/2011 7:44:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:44:22 PM" ) )1:44 PM
I lived for 20 years in the shadow of NCAR and NOAA and I know those wonks up on the hill there are in overdrive with all the data they are getting from this.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 7:43:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:43:57 PM" ) )1:43 PM
@dean Is there a way to tell if plutonium is byproduct from the uranium rods vs. the MOX ones?
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 7:43:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:43:54 PM" ) )1:43 PM
Toyota Asks U.S. Dealers to Limit Some Replacement-Parts Orders www.bloomberg.com
Gov't eyes making quake-hit cities 'special zones' for reconstruction english.kyodonews.jp
Russian cultural events raise funds for Japanese disaster victims rt.com
by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 7:43:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:43:43 PM" ) )1:43 PM
@Dean...Hi...welcome back.....
by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 7:43:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:43:43 PM" ) )1:43 PM
"UPDATE AS OF 3 P.M. EDT, TUESDAY, MARCH 29:
Plutonium found in five soil samples at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant complex originated from uranium fuel at the plant, Tokyo Electric Power Co. has determined. The level of radiation from the plutonium is not considered dangerous to human health." -- nei.cachefly.net
by Joshua Diamond [ofc] at 3/29/2011 7:43:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:43:36 PM" ) )1:43 PM
www.time.com In picture number 20, you can see the waves in the water on either side of the plant in the ocean. These are where the cooling discharge pipes are located.
by Sin at 3/29/2011 7:43:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:43:28 PM" ) )1:43 PM
@NHK Listener - the crane was defiantly large and heavy.
by openmind at 3/29/2011 7:43:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:43:11 PM" ) )1:43 PM
@es I simply like facts and information and as a foreigner in a foreign country I was taking your fellow Spanish contributor up on his offer of translating some things from the Spanish sources..
by Indreba at 3/29/2011 7:43:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:43:00 PM" ) )1:43 PM
There was a video still posted earlier today showing the top of 3 by Salvador. He was able to determine the location of the SFP, another structure on the deck and the reactor location. It looked like some of the containment tops were gone on #3, just not sure what ones. Most likely the concrete cap is gone, If the yellow containment cap is off or is there but burnt and leaking we were not sure. Most were pretty sure the reactor cap was still on. If the containment cap was gone then the reactor cap is leaking.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 7:42:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:42:50 PM" ) )1:42 PM
ty ty Meretisa
by dean at 3/29/2011 7:42:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:42:41 PM" ) )1:42 PM
@openmind: If you look at pictures of the reactor floor from better times, there are quite a few pieces of heavy machinery there that are big enough.
by sims at 3/29/2011 7:42:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:42:37 PM" ) )1:42 PM
@dean WELCOME!!!
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 7:42:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:42:32 PM" ) )1:42 PM
@openmind You have big and little, it doesn't all turn to dust.
by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 7:42:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:42:22 PM" ) )1:42 PM
hello to all... finished for the day on my work .. will come here for awhile ..
by dean at 3/29/2011 7:42:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:42:15 PM" ) )1:42 PM
Iodine tablets not required any longer. New recommendation from Swedish Radiation Safety Authority issued today. No need to take KI any longer. Much less risk of big release, as situation at rector is nore stable, and also due to halftime of radioactive Iodine. www.stralsakerhetsmyndigheten.se
by Jan at 3/29/2011 7:42:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:42:15 PM" ) )1:42 PM
@Sin - I think the concrete pieces were turned to dust. The steel framework is not as large and heavy as these pieces are
by openmind at 3/29/2011 7:41:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:41:18 PM" ) )1:41 PM
Be interesting to see how long it takes to be detectable in Antarctica. Geoscientists learned a lot about global atmospheric circulation after Chernobyl.
by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 7:40:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:40:28 PM" ) )1:40 PM
@Lethbrigean, IIRC from the pictures, 5&6 are north, to the right of the first 4. I used the image mainly to illustrate directions vs. the bank of reactors.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 7:39:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:39:43 PM" ) )1:39 PM
@Indreba Try not to worry about Spain. We're far away from this disaster; Japan isn't.
by es at 3/29/2011 7:39:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:39:30 PM" ) )1:39 PM
This is the forecast and he gives all his sources too, if you go to his youtube page you'll see below if you click for more info, a list of websites that look very useful.. lots of sophisticated weather mapping and radiation forecasting tools. Spain and Portugal are definitely getting radiation according to this, even if it's only in 'trace amounts', whatever trace amounts are..
by Indreba at 3/29/2011 7:39:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:39:15 PM" ) )1:39 PM
@openmind crane
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 7:39:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:39:11 PM" ) )1:39 PM
@openmind There used to be a roof and walls on that building... So I'm sure it could be any number of building materials.
by Jay77 at 3/29/2011 7:38:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:38:42 PM" ) )1:38 PM
@Openmind, there were questions earlier about the concrete cap and the containment cap possibly being gone on #3. That lead us to look at the video again and the big debris items.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 7:38:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:38:40 PM" ) )1:38 PM
@Nancy - the one in the red square is deff. #2, ocean is in the foreground.
by Lethbridgean at 3/29/2011 7:38:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:38:14 PM" ) )1:38 PM
@Indreba I wouldn't worry about it being any worse than the rest of the Northern Hemisphere.
by Jay77 at 3/29/2011 7:37:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:37:22 PM" ) )1:37 PM
@openmind Pieces of the building.
by Sin at 3/29/2011 7:37:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:37:10 PM" ) )1:37 PM
@Indreba You're welcome. Can you help me translating to English when the interview is finished?
by spanish_reader at 3/29/2011 7:36:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:36:20 PM" ) )1:36 PM
Some of the huge pieces of debris that shot up into the air are larger than my car. I wonder what they could be? (#3 March 14) farm6.static.flickr.com
by openmind via Farm6.static.flickr at 3/29/2011 7:36:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:36:05 PM" ) )1:36 PM
@Nancy Based on what we've gotten from TEPCO to date, I'd be more willing to bet they checked a lot of locations and then selected the five spots showing the least amount of plutonium radioactivity. We all knew from the reports we've been reading that it was just a matter of time before the detection of plutonium was reported. Not only was it part of the unspent MOX fuel rods stored in the #3 spent fuel pool, but it is also a byproduct of uranium undergoing the fission process.
by James Ward at 3/29/2011 7:35:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:35:43 PM" ) )1:35 PM
@Indreba If you have any problems there we're all in bad shape.
by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 7:35:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:35:23 PM" ) )1:35 PM
The black smoke from #3 was on the 21st.
by Sin at 3/29/2011 7:35:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:35:16 PM" ) )1:35 PM
That should be #3
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 7:35:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:35:14 PM" ) )1:35 PM
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 7:35:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:35:03 PM" ) )1:35 PM
@Nancy Hi Nancy, in that pre disaster pic you posted below is the reactor in the red square reactor 2?
by Gordon at 3/29/2011 7:34:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:34:32 PM" ) )1:34 PM
@Spanish_reader Thanks for posting about something going on in Spain.. I'm English currently living in Spain and I haven't seen anything anywhere that talks about whether radiation has yet been detected in Spain etc, like it has in USA, UK, Iceland etc.. I have just seen one weather forecast that said it should be expected in Spain.. My Spanish isn't good enough to listen to an expert nuclear physicist talk about these things unfortunately. Any info you've got relevant to people living in Spain, in English, would be very welcome! Thanks in advance :0)
by Indreba at 3/29/2011 7:33:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:33:51 PM" ) )1:33 PM
@All- here is a summation of the spain interview by my friend- it is very general, but you'll get the idea: Okay. So I've watched the and there is a lot that he is saying, and some words I don't understand. This professor talks about first of all, the frustration with the hue of information that is being released and that it is confusing and false. He talks about the technicalities of the reactors, the provocation of the heat that is resulting in the nuclear evaporation and the importance of cooling the reactors. He says something like it's impossible to say still how bad it could be and that he, along with the Japanese people, have deemed this catastrophe to be at a level 7 thus far. Basically, he is being very factual about what is going on and there is not one iota of optimism in what he is saying.
I know that sounds really general, but you already know exactly how the reactors work, etc so I wasn't about to go into detail on that. Much of what is said you probably have heard/read many times already.
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 7:32:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:32:29 PM" ) )1:32 PM
If I'm reading graph correctly, they detected higher levels of I-131, Te-132 and Cs-137 on March 25 in California.
What was happening regarding Japan emissions around the 19th or 20th (if these radionuclides take 5 or 6 days to reach California?)
by KT39 at 3/29/2011 7:28:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:28:52 PM" ) )1:28 PM
@NHK Listener - neutron beams can only be formed by carefully engineered equipment. A neutron flux, or individual detected neutron could come for any one of a number of sources, of which one is uncontained fissile material, but there are definitely others. As has been said before, I believe "neutron beam" mentioned related to Fukushima is a artefact of translation. I believe they actually mean they detected neutrons -- not a focused beam. See en.wikipedia.org for more info on potential sources.
by Joshua Diamond [ofc] at 3/29/2011 7:28:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:28:24 PM" ) )1:28 PM
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@Sky THanks.
by Jojo at 3/29/2011 7:27:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:27:30 PM" ) )1:27 PM
@Nancy I believe they have the capability to do sophisticated spectroscopy tests that can determine sources based on isotope distributions and complex calculations.
by Sin at 3/29/2011 7:27:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:27:16 PM" ) )1:27 PM
@markfm haha I haven't thought about nuclear physics since college. That's a while back for me.
by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 7:26:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:26:18 PM" ) )1:26 PM
@Jim, cesium mimicks potassium, not calcium. I believe it's strontium that mimicks calcium. Cesium is taken up by the muscles; strontium goes into the bones; iodine straight to the thyroid gland for use in building thyroid hormones.
by Sky at 3/29/2011 7:26:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:26:04 PM" ) )1:26 PM
@Nancy I asked the question on another forum and will give the answer when I find out
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 7:25:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:25:38 PM" ) )1:25 PM
Easy to mix up these things. I sure don't deal with this much outside of this blog.
by markfm at 3/29/2011 7:25:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:25:00 PM" ) )1:25 PM
@Nancy On NHK they had reported that they had taken samples at 5 locations, which to me means they picked 5 and those turned up hot. It does, however beg the question of why those locations correspond so well with your trajectory information... They probably were looking for something in particular.
by Jay77 at 3/29/2011 7:24:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:24:54 PM" ) )1:24 PM
@markfm That's true. Strontium-90 was unknown until nukes. We all have it now in our bones and teeth.
by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 7:24:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:24:09 PM" ) )1:24 PM
@Nancy Many thanks for that very interesting trajectory info.
by es at 3/29/2011 7:23:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:23:34 PM" ) )1:23 PM
@ Joshua, I could get a gig as an expert on CNN or ABC if I had the right publicist. :-D
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 7:23:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:23:32 PM" ) )1:23 PM
by markfm at 3/29/2011 7:23:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:23:19 PM" ) )1:23 PM
@Nancy Good question.
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 7:23:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:23:19 PM" ) )1:23 PM
@All - it's taken me 4 hours to catch up with this group's activity since last night in my time zone. @Sin, Tenzing, Nancy - yes I think that brownish smear on the photo blow-up is some kind of vapor or gas. It caught my eye on the video, as it seemed to be blurring and moving slightly, not on the camera lens but overlaying a specific area of the destroyed building below. I do not see the perfectly-round hole on the side of the building. Everybody, if you are looking for links to potassium iodide dosing information, visit the sister wiki site that was set up right when we fled from Reuters: fukushima.wikispaces.com Although some documents say only 1-3 KI doses, others say you might have to take it daily for iodine blocking, as long as the environmental exposure exists. There is an unexplained assumption in some of the government documents that people will use that 3-day dose period to evacuate the scene where exposure is taking place.
by Sky at 3/29/2011 7:23:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:23:12 PM" ) )1:23 PM
Is there a way to tell if plutonium is byproduct from the uranium rods vs. the MOX ones?
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 7:22:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:22:44 PM" ) )1:22 PM
@marie rich - I'm not complaining about opinions posted here on this group -- I am complaining about the "experts" - some with very tenuous provenance - who are getting paid scads of money to appear on "news" programs and be quoted in "news" articles...
by Joshua Diamond [ofc] at 3/29/2011 7:22:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:22:37 PM" ) )1:22 PM
Sorry for the inconvenience:
For spanish readers: The interview with Julio Gutierrez, head of nuclear physics department of Alcala University (Madrid) is being conducted live right now here (we relocated the thread): www.burbuja.info
We will translate the Q&A afterwards for English readers here.
by spanish_reader at 3/29/2011 7:22:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:22:25 PM" ) )1:22 PM
@Matsuoko I would have to agree...as noted the plutonium could have come from any of the reactors as all of the SFP have plutonium as well.
by Sin at 3/29/2011 7:21:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:21:58 PM" ) )1:21 PM
@Matsuoko I thought someone said they did more locations within the complex but only the ones in the pdf were the "hot" ones.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 7:21:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:21:43 PM" ) )1:21 PM
@Nancy Fuel rods in the sfp,, was MOX
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 7:21:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:21:22 PM" ) )1:21 PM
@Sky Thx! I was having trouble posting the Berkeley link for some reason. This is all new to me!
by LM at 3/29/2011 7:21:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:21:20 PM" ) )1:21 PM
It is strontium 90 that is the one that really gets attracted to bones, mimics calcium. Cesium is throughout the body, higher concentration in muscles, lower in bones. www.epa.govwww.epa.gov
by markfm at 3/29/2011 7:21:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:21:11 PM" ) )1:21 PM
@Matsuoko Also, these readings are SEVEN DAYS OLD!
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 7:21:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:21:11 PM" ) )1:21 PM
@Matsuoko it's all coincidence... until it's not.
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 7:21:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:21:06 PM" ) )1:21 PM
@Nancy : they have only searched these 5 locations for plutonium. it does not mean that there is no pu in other places. there is no connection between the findings and the explosion.
by Matsuoko at 3/29/2011 7:20:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:20:38 PM" ) )1:20 PM
@Matsuoko Could be. Significant, perhaps, that Unit 2 has not blown in the same way 1 & 3 did.
by es at 3/29/2011 7:20:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:20:30 PM" ) )1:20 PM
Now I am curious what he thought blew out that caused the plutonium spots.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 7:20:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:20:27 PM" ) )1:20 PM
@Meretisa lol...I don't think they ask the right questions...
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 7:20:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:20:22 PM" ) )1:20 PM
Sorry for the inconvenience: For spanish readers: The interview with Julio Gutierrez, head of nuclear physics department of Alcala University (Madrid) is being conducted right now here:
by spanish_reader at 3/29/2011 7:20:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:20:16 PM" ) )1:20 PM
They will tell the public a month after that.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 7:20:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:20:06 PM" ) )1:20 PM
@Nancy thank you for this insight. I think the "heads" may figure this out by say... next week.
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 7:19:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:19:42 PM" ) )1:19 PM
Did Peter drop off for a while?
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 7:19:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:19:38 PM" ) )1:19 PM
Aw shucks.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 7:19:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:19:27 PM" ) )1:19 PM
@Nancy you are an invaluable asset. thanks
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 7:19:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:19:16 PM" ) )1:19 PM
Meretisa - Yes Cesium and other radioisotopes have been detected all over the world, but in very minute quantities they say. See UC Berkeley report for example. They convert the amounts into "how many liters you'd have to drink to receive same dose as flying cross-country" and other human-understandable metrics. www.nuc.berkeley.edu Click on Air and Water links for the respective monitoring data and interpretations.
by Sky at 3/29/2011 7:19:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:19:01 PM" ) )1:19 PM
@Jim Carver Me either. plus, note the figure for 15 kilometers away.
by Sin at 3/29/2011 7:18:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:18:52 PM" ) )1:18 PM
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 7:18:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:18:42 PM" ) )1:18 PM
Interesting. I took the video, a picture of the complex and the plutonium location map. I double checked the trajectory of the big pieces of material in the reactor #3 explosion. In the complex photo I tried to roughly point to the directions explained in my previous post. I checked those against the plutonium found map from TEPCO that Matsuoko just posted.
The trajectories mostly match to where they found plutonium. The only one slightly different in the one I thought went north-east toward the sea. There is a plutonium fine due north on that one. The other two have plutonium found in the trajectory paths of the big debris. www.houseoffoust.comwww.tepco.co.jp
by Nancy via Houseoffoust at 3/29/2011 7:18:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:18:15 PM" ) )1:18 PM
@Meretisa At this point we need to press all governments to release TIMELY and ACCURATE radiation readings. If I was Japanese, I'd demand they nationalize the Fukushima plant and get help from all over the world. I would then demand that they evacuate all those people in the surrounding towns, they are getting contaminated DAILY!
by Jojo at 3/29/2011 7:17:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:17:57 PM" ) )1:17 PM
@es @Meretisa : or maybe the vessel is really more stable than i ever expected.
by Matsuoko at 3/29/2011 7:17:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:17:52 PM" ) )1:17 PM
@Meretisa I understood that neutron beams can be caused by exposed fuel rods
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 7:17:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:17:25 PM" ) )1:17 PM
@Matsuoko I suppose there's a lot of water down there, going by those trench measurements...
by es at 3/29/2011 7:17:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:17:08 PM" ) )1:17 PM
@Sin This is not what I got from their own data.
by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 7:17:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:17:05 PM" ) )1:17 PM
@Jay77 My undrstanding is taht they are measurements taken near top and middle of vessel. This is beacuse at the top there is steam, middle is water.
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 7:16:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:16:42 PM" ) )1:16 PM
@Matsuoko Unless they tried to hide it... there were neutron beam and spikes in radiation 13-16th remember.
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 7:16:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:16:18 PM" ) )1:16 PM
Seawater radiation levels down ( according to NHK, anway)
The Tokyo Electric Power Company says levels of radiation in seawater near the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant have dropped at 2 locations.
Seawater 50 meters north of the plant on Monday afternoon was found to contain 27 becquerels of radioactive iodine-131 per cubic centimeter, or 665.8 times higher than the regulated standard. The level at the location was 1,150 times higher than the standard on Sunday.
330 meters south of the plant, the level was 27.9 times higher than the standard on Monday afternoon, down from more than 1,000 times above the standard on Friday and Saturday.
At Iwasawa Beach, 16 kilometers south of the plant, the level was 58.8 times above the standard on Monday morning, up from Sunday's figure of 7.4 times.
Jun Misonoo of Japan's Marine Ecology Research Institute says radioactive substances that leaked into seawater from the plant is expected to initially flow south along the coast and be diluted by seawater.
The flow is likely to converge with the Japan Current off the eastern tip of Chiba Prefecture and go out into the Pacific Ocean, where the radiation concentration would likely be diluted considerably.
Misonoo urged careful monitoring of fish and shellfish for traces of radioactive substances such as cesium that come from power plants and remain in the environment for long periods.
Tuesday, March 29, 2011 16:55 +0900 (JST) www3.nhk.or.jp
by Sin at 3/29/2011 7:16:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:16:11 PM" ) )1:16 PM
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@KT39 And given the difference between iodine and cesium, you have to have a LOT more iodine to equal the fatal concentration of cesium (or in other words, you don't need as much cesium to be really dangerous). They take this into account when calculating Sieverts (Sv), so 1 Sv of Iodine = 1 Sv of Cesium (but there is a LOT more iodine to give you 1 Sv).
by Jojo at 3/29/2011 7:16:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:16:02 PM" ) )1:16 PM
@es : what makes me wonder is the "slow motion" meltdown. i would have expected it far more rapid. maybe the cooling has had some effect.
by Matsuoko at 3/29/2011 7:15:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:15:39 PM" ) )1:15 PM
@Jojo That's right cesium mimicks calcium.
by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 7:15:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:15:24 PM" ) )1:15 PM
@marie rich What are the "Reactor Pressure "A" and "B" values for on the NISA reports? "A" shows .492Mpa, and "B" shows .600Mpa for #1... Just curious how to read these. Is the pressure exceeding the max capacity?
by Jay77 at 3/29/2011 7:15:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:15:23 PM" ) )1:15 PM
@ALL.... given this info... other than taking a moment to reflect on the reality of our fears... what can we do? generate options for containment? figure out plumes? thoughts?
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 7:15:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:15:12 PM" ) )1:15 PM
Bad link sorry! Http://www.nuc.Berkeley.edu/UCBAirSampling
by LM at 3/29/2011 7:14:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:14:45 PM" ) )1:14 PM
@KT39 Cesium fatality rates are a lot higher than iodine (where iodine has only a 10% fatality rate from cancer, I believe with cesium it's 50% or higher). I believe that with cesium your body absorbs it into your bones giving you leukemia. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
by Jojo at 3/29/2011 7:14:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:14:36 PM" ) )1:14 PM
@Matsuoko So it would seem, sadly.
by es at 3/29/2011 7:14:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:14:01 PM" ) )1:14 PM
@es :all last week's "fear mongering" was correct.
by Matsuoko at 3/29/2011 7:13:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:13:11 PM" ) )1:13 PM
@Joshua Diamond [ofc] I agree as well. I need proof
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 7:13:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:13:08 PM" ) )1:13 PM
@Jojo Thank you. Can you expound on the cesium?
by KT39 at 3/29/2011 7:13:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:13:03 PM" ) )1:13 PM
@George Gibb....wow...good job!
by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 7:12:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:12:45 PM" ) )1:12 PM
@Joshua Diamond [ofc] I,m sorry. I'll keep my opinion out of any further reports
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 7:12:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:12:18 PM" ) )1:12 PM
www.nuc.Berkeley.edu/ucbairsampling
by LM at 3/29/2011 7:12:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:12:17 PM" ) )1:12 PM
For spanish readers: The interview with Julio Gutierrez, head of nuclear physics department of Alcala University (Madrid) is being conducted right now here: www.burbuja.info
by spanish_reader at 3/29/2011 7:11:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:11:43 PM" ) )1:11 PM
I've been looking over the air quality data from TEPCO and there doesn't seem to be much change in the last two days. Actually an improvement from some reports last week. But the water is way worse. It is difficult to gleen significant change in only a few days. The sensing procedures are not very extensive and don't take any measurements into the column of air, so difference are likely with altitude. Absolute long-term radiation levels will be shown by soil samples and they are steadily rising and will continue to do so.
by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 7:11:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:11:28 PM" ) )1:11 PM
@Meretisa Yes..it has been found in many places. Here's the ling to the Berkeley site. Www.nuc.Berkeley.edu/UCBAirSampling
by LM at 3/29/2011 7:11:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:11:11 PM" ) )1:11 PM
@All thanks
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 7:10:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:10:45 PM" ) )1:10 PM
@Joshua Diamond [ofc] OPINION: Agree. And according to our collective research, all this probably happened last week anyway.
by es at 3/29/2011 7:10:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:10:37 PM" ) )1:10 PM
@KT39 I believe it's "processed" a lot faster. The main risk from what I've seen is thyroid cancer from Iodine, since your thyroid absorbs iodine. But the good news is that thyroid cancer, even if you get it, is treatable in 90% of cases. Big problem is for cesium.
by Jojo at 3/29/2011 7:10:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:10:36 PM" ) )1:10 PM
@Meretisa www.8newsnow.com No mention of Cesium. But some others reported.
by Natalie at 3/29/2011 7:10:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:10:23 PM" ) )1:10 PM
@Joshua Diamond [ofc] I agree
by Sin at 3/29/2011 7:10:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:10:17 PM" ) )1:10 PM
www.eurad.uni-koeln.de "These animations display a potential dispersion of the radioactive cloud (Caesium 137 Isotope) after a nuclear accident in reactor Fukushima I. The continuous release rate is very uncertain, thus the calculations have to be interpreted qualitatively. Dispersion in the near surface level (Level 1), in appr. 2500 m height (Level 12) and in appr. 5000 m height (Level 16).
The release rate is estimated as 10^15 Bq/d. This is appr. one tenth of the Chernobyl release. This simulation is a so called "worst case scenario" with continuous release rate. The value of 0.001 Bq/m3 correspond to appr. one millionth of the concentration at the source. At distances more than appr. 2000 km away from the source, the concentrations are not harmful to health. " However, the Helmut Hirsch of Greenpeace estimated on the 23rd that 500,00TBq had been released. That would be 2*10^18 BQ/day or 2000 times the amount on that website (Hope math right).
by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 7:10:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:10:17 PM" ) )1:10 PM
OPINION: There is so little real news coming out right now that the "experts" are having a ball collecting honoraria for spouting off with sheer speculation.
by Joshua Diamond [ofc] at 3/29/2011 7:09:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:09:10 PM" ) )1:09 PM
by KT39 at 3/29/2011 7:08:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:08:44 PM" ) )1:08 PM
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by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 7:08:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:08:30 PM" ) )1:08 PM
@Bev - PWR (pressurized water reactor) can have control rods mounted at top as they are completely filled with pressurized liquid. This doesn't work for BWR because of the steam head in the top of the reactor vessel -- hence bottom mount of the control elements.
by Joshua Diamond [ofc] at 3/29/2011 7:07:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:07:23 PM" ) )1:07 PM
@john Thanks for post. will chk
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 7:07:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:07:03 PM" ) )1:07 PM
@Joshua Diamond the article is talking about reactor no2 So I don't buy it
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 7:07:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:07:01 PM" ) )1:07 PM
by Matsuoko at 3/29/2011 7:06:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:06:25 PM" ) )1:06 PM
@KT39 Has cesium been detected outside of Japan? I thought was only iodine at this point. Links to support??
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 7:06:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:06:24 PM" ) )1:06 PM
@ Jim Carver -- So, Iodine 131 takes 2 to 3 months to degrade. If it's in your body for that period of time...not good? What about cesium 137 which takes 200 years or so to degrade. Even if it's in "miniscule" amounts as we've been told, health effects?
by KT39 at 3/29/2011 7:05:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:05:33 PM" ) )1:05 PM
@Bev - that is not really accurate. All BWR designs that I know of have the control blades and instrumentation tubes mounted from the bottom, and this is the most likely failure point for all of them. Main differences are in the containments; Mark-I containment is the one in play now, and does not contain any formal core-catcher. It does, however, have a rather thick basemat of reinforced concrete, which (as far as we know) is built on bedrock at the Fukushima site. If RPV bottom is breached, then the question is at what rate basemat erosion is taking place, and whether the containment was already compromised in the explosion last week.
by Joshua Diamond [ofc] at 3/29/2011 7:04:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:04:51 PM" ) )1:04 PM
by john at 3/29/2011 7:04:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:04:29 PM" ) )1:04 PM
Peter asked right after I left about the direction of the 3 objects in reactor 3's explosion. He wondered where they were vs. where they found plutonium. Based on the camera angle and the ocean, one went north-east toward the ocean and rough direction of R#4 and where R5 &R6 are. The other piece went south-west toward the inland side of the row of reactors and R2 & R1. The third piece fell last and went in a north-west direction, inland of the row of reactors and towards the position of R4. I can't find the link for the plutonium locations map from yesterday. If someone still has the link handy can you post it?
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 7:04:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:04:09 PM" ) )1:04 PM
*Report* 29Mar 4:00; analyzing data on plant parameters: #1> temp and pressure in RPV has increased since ystdy. Dyrwell pressure is lower than operating press. by almost half. Suppression pool (or s/chamber) has risen a bit. #2.) RPV pressure is realatively stable at a very low value, temp is increasing. S/P remains down scale/under survey. #3.) RPV pressure is increasing slightly, temp fairly stable. < normal operating pressure of RPV= 0.42747mPa; normal operating pressure of drywell=0.485mPa, drywell max=0.528mPa: all values given at absolute pressure> *opinion* data supports breach of #2 RPV; data indicates leak of containment in #3; Data indicates potentially more trouble in #1*
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 7:02:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:02:55 PM" ) )1:02 PM
@NHK Only by the neutron flux readings and the presence of Pu238,239,240. Although the latter could have come from SPF, leakage/spillover, the former could not.
by Bev at 3/29/2011 7:01:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:01:16 PM" ) )1:01 PM
@nhk listener Point taken :)
by elainekirk at 3/29/2011 7:01:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 7:01:12 PM" ) )1:01 PM
@KT39 Absolutely. Wouldn't matter if it was in space.
by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 6:59:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:59:55 PM" ) )12:59 PM
@elainekirk @Bev So none of it is confirmed
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 6:59:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:59:13 PM" ) )12:59 PM
Does Iodine 131 degrade the same way in the human body (if ingested or inhaled) as it does in the environment?
by KT39 at 3/29/2011 6:58:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:58:38 PM" ) )12:58 PM
@NHK Listener The fox interview expert's opinion is corroborated by everything we know about the GE Mark I BWR's. Their weak spot at the bottom is well documented. The control rod mechanisms are bottom mounted. Subsequent designs are top mounted.
by Bev at 3/29/2011 6:57:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:57:42 PM" ) )12:57 PM
@pj NOT THAT I UNDERSTAND WELD ONE END, CUT THE OTHER IN PLACE
by fitter at 3/29/2011 6:54:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:54:24 PM" ) )12:54 PM
@Bev lol
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 6:54:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:54:14 PM" ) )12:54 PM
@fitter What pj said
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 6:53:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:53:51 PM" ) )12:53 PM
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For anyone interested, the interview with Julio Gutierrez, head of nuclear physics department of Alcala University (Madrid) will be in this thread (no registration required for reading): www.burbuja.info
by spanish_reader at 3/29/2011 6:53:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:53:47 PM" ) )12:53 PM
SWAG= Silly Wild A$$ Guess.
by Bev at 3/29/2011 6:53:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:53:24 PM" ) )12:53 PM
@NHK Listener could you explain, i don't do computor drawings but am quite fimilar wth the old scale and ruler style.... what does swag stand for
by fitter at 3/29/2011 6:53:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:53:18 PM" ) )12:53 PM
Um...where I come from, SWAG is a scientific wild-@ss guess
by pj at 3/29/2011 6:53:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:53:02 PM" ) )12:53 PM
@spanish_reader yes please. I have friend who can translate. thankis
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 6:52:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:52:01 PM" ) )12:52 PM
Kyodo: Plutonium detected near nuke plant 'not significant': U.S. official english.kyodonews.jp
by Max at 3/29/2011 6:51:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:51:20 PM" ) )12:51 PM
Toyota Asks U.S. Dealers to Limit Some Replacement-Parts Orders www.bloomberg.com
Gov't eyes making quake-hit cities 'special zones' for reconstruction english.kyodonews.jp
Russian cultural events raise funds for Japanese disaster victims rt.com
by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 6:50:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:50:33 PM" ) )12:50 PM
@fitter SWAG is an architectural element
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 6:50:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:50:33 PM" ) )12:50 PM
@Meretisa I will notify here when it's done. I can provide a link if someone is interested in reading it in spanish.
by spanish_reader at 3/29/2011 6:50:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:50:20 PM" ) )12:50 PM
anyone see this? Nuclear expert says radioactive core in one of Japan's quake-ravaged reactors appears to have melted through the bottom of its containment vessel and cannot be saved, as displaced residents continue to be tested for radiation exposure. www.foxnews.com
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 6:49:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:49:37 PM" ) )12:49 PM
@NHK Listener what does swaged mean, sorry
by fitter at 3/29/2011 6:49:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:49:22 PM" ) )12:49 PM
@spanish_reader THANKS. yes. please do translate. we are waiting with bated breath I'm sure. WOW. Thanks.
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 6:48:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:48:08 PM" ) )12:48 PM
www.nisa.meti.go.jp /english/files/en20110329-7-2.pdf reactor 1: 320C and 0.600MPa... remove space
by john at 3/29/2011 6:46:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:46:24 PM" ) )12:46 PM
@mand here is a google cached copy of the document webcache.googleusercontent.com ２ Conditions of Fukushima Dai-ichi Nuclear Power Station Unit 1（As of 14:00 March 27th, 2011）
by elainekirk at 3/29/2011 6:45:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:45:29 PM" ) )12:45 PM
@Alaskan: Just want to clarify what you are saying about radioactive particles traveling. Are you saying the majority of particles will not be able to rise any higher than cloud base and will disperse in the vicinity of the NPP rather than making it higher in the atmosphere? If this is correct, then that would mean on the whole, that barring some massive explosion ejecting particles high into the atmosphere, very little radiation would reach outside of Japan?
by tippytoe at 3/29/2011 6:44:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:44:53 PM" ) )12:44 PM
No sorry.
Some quotes from this interview:
"what they are doing is like extinguishing a forest fire with a bottle"
"what they told about the hydrogen explosion is an outright lie, if the exposition to air is true would mean that the core is exposed and this is way more dangerous than stated. What happened is indicative that a breach exists in the containment vessel..."
Keep in mind that this is an interview from several days ago. We are doing a new (written) interview for our forum. I can translate it or make a summary for you. I think it will be done tonight (Europe time).
by spanish_reader at 3/29/2011 6:44:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:44:22 PM" ) )12:44 PM
@Alaskan It would be helpful if we knew the types and amounts of the isotopes that were ejected in the explosions.
by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 6:44:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:44:01 PM" ) )12:44 PM
@all What the original posted said was this From this photo –––– I SWAGed the heights of the buildings.....
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 6:43:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:43:49 PM" ) )12:43 PM
Not sure if this has been posted yet
by Mand at 3/29/2011 6:42:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:42:46 PM" ) )12:42 PM
Opps! Hit return... www.nisa.meti.go .jp/english/files/en20110327-2-2.pdf remove the space, keeps telling me it's spam
by Mand at 3/29/2011 6:42:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:42:44 PM" ) )12:42 PM
@pj As a vapor, you're right. Silvery purple, but not in solution.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 6:42:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:42:28 PM" ) )12:42 PM
@all Not my pics I swiped them from another forum.. 2 threads 8500 posts. So I am not sure how the heights were determined.. Pretty sure they are a very close estimate
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 6:41:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:41:20 PM" ) )12:41 PM
by sheilatoulouse at 3/29/2011 6:41:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:41:10 PM" ) )12:41 PM
TEPCO CEO's vanishing act reported yesterday in the washington post
by sheilatoulouse at 3/29/2011 6:41:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:41:09 PM" ) )12:41 PM
*SOME* (very few overall) particles will of course mix into the upper atmosphere (as I said a few pages ago) which is how iodine isotopes are spreading. But most particles from this kind of explosion will not rise that far.
by Alaskan at 3/29/2011 6:40:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:40:18 PM" ) )12:40 PM
@spanish_reader ¡Gracias! English content works best here, so a translation of your interview would be very useful.
by es at 3/29/2011 6:39:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:39:58 PM" ) )12:39 PM
@Bobby, convection is what causes mixing in the lowest layer. Again, convection does not carry particles higher than the elevation at which dew point is reached. That's where clouds form. High vertical air velocities occur in thunderheads (site won't allow me to post the real name of these clouds!), near glaciers (catabatic flow), and on the downwind side of mountain ranges. I don't think any of these conditions were relevant during the Fukushima explosions.
by Alaskan at 3/29/2011 6:38:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:38:15 PM" ) )12:38 PM
@Spanish Reader A translation would be great. Interested in what independent experts think.
by Bev at 3/29/2011 6:37:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:37:41 PM" ) )12:37 PM
@Natalie I was wondering that too... very purple looking. Hmmmm
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 6:37:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:37:06 PM" ) )12:37 PM
@NHK Listener have you seen height on the other blds
by fitter at 3/29/2011 6:34:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:34:54 PM" ) )12:34 PM
@spanish_reader do you have this with an english translation??
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 6:34:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:34:26 PM" ) )12:34 PM
by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 6:34:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:34:25 PM" ) )12:34 PM
Are those purplish clouds new?
by Natalie at 3/29/2011 6:34:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:34:21 PM" ) )12:34 PM
@Alaskan Particles can be lifted by convection, or caught up in low-pressure areas with high vertical air velocities.
by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 6:34:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:34:00 PM" ) )12:34 PM
@NHK Listener could you list orign of pic height, they are great by the way.... would like to know how calcutaed to use for other items ......
by fitter at 3/29/2011 6:33:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:33:36 PM" ) )12:33 PM
Continuing a previous post (damn return key).
We are organizing an online interview with the head of nuclear physics department of Alcala University in our forum. He has been very critical with the "official" information from the beginning of this crisis.
When we are done, we'll post the interview here if you like.
by spanish_reader at 3/29/2011 6:33:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:33:17 PM" ) )12:33 PM
This site doesn't like cloud names! Probably doesn't like the three-letter code for Fukuyama airport, either.
by Alaskan at 3/29/2011 6:33:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:33:00 PM" ) )12:33 PM
1000 feet is not very high into the atmosphere. I live much farther north than Fukushima, on a coast, and still our local surface circulation tops out well above 1000 feet except when we have an inversion (deep winter, under cold high pressure). The closer to the equator you are, the higher surfce convection reaches -- think towering ***ulus clouds in the tropics.
by Alaskan at 3/29/2011 6:32:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:32:00 PM" ) )12:32 PM
So Swedes are saying one tablet of KI every three days. If they are privy to something my guess is a full evac would happen before long and we would know something soon.
by tippytoe at 3/29/2011 6:31:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:31:36 PM" ) )12:31 PM
Amid increasing fears of workers being exposed to high levels of radiation at the plant, hospitals in Tokyo called on the workers to provide samples of their blood-forming hematopoietic stem cells ahead of possible massive exposure.
''Anything could happen at the nuclear plant, so preparation is important,'' said Shuichi Taniguchi, head of the hematology department at Toranomon Hospital.
A person's ability to form blood, when lost through radiation exposure, can be restored by transplanting his or her hematopoietic stem cells. Such a procedure is better than receiving a bone marrow transplant from another person as it avoids the risk of rejection.
Toranomon Hospital in Tokyo's Minato Ward said it is making preparations to take samples of the stem cells of around 50 to 100 workers on the front line at the plant. The cells will be preserved in a frozen state.
The National Cancer Center in Tokyo's Chuo Ward is also recommending that workers provide samples of their stem cells.
by Reed at 3/29/2011 6:30:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:30:53 PM" ) )12:30 PM
“The recommendation by the Swedish Radiation Safety Authority that all Swedes who are staying within a radius of 250 km from the Fukushima No. 1 power plant to take iodide tablets every three days is still valid,” the embassy’s website, last updated Saturday, says. “Best protection against radioactive iodine is to take iodide tablets before the exposure, as doing so afterward will prove too late.” …
by tippytoe at 3/29/2011 6:30:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:30:36 PM" ) )12:30 PM
@VeenOui Reference. The blast made it to at least a 1000 feet.
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 6:30:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:30:31 PM" ) )12:30 PM
We are organizing an interview with a nuclear expert (head of nuclear physics department). Specifically this one:
by spanish_reader at 3/29/2011 6:30:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:30:21 PM" ) )12:30 PM
@NHK Listener What your pictures bring out IF one looks at the last frame, where the wind or shockwave blow the explosion cloud IMMEDIATLY to the left.......given the first frame where it goes STRAIGHT into the air and i assume this is merly seconds..what's the conclusion ?
by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 6:27:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:27:54 PM" ) )12:27 PM
by JPH at 3/29/2011 6:27:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:27:18 PM" ) )12:27 PM
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I'm not sure why the Swedes make the KI recommendation now. Strange timing, IMO. Unless they are privy to more information than we are.
by Bev at 3/29/2011 6:25:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:25:24 PM" ) )12:25 PM
@NHK Listener wow. no one has been talking about the height. they blew it off saying that it DIDN'T get high enough to cause issues. Hmmmm. again... meterologists? Is this high enough for longer-ranging fallout?
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 6:25:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:25:12 PM" ) )12:25 PM
@NHK Listener That is an impressive still of the explosion in #3 - that's a lot of energy.
by pj at 3/29/2011 6:25:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:25:09 PM" ) )12:25 PM
relevant ocean current info
by JPH at 3/29/2011 6:24:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:24:44 PM" ) )12:24 PM
@Meretisa Agreed...although I suspect it would take longer, but I'm no meteorologist!
by LM at 3/29/2011 6:23:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:23:48 PM" ) )12:23 PM
Sweden tells citizens to begin taking iodide tablets if w/in 150 miles of Fukushima including Tokyo: bit.ly
by Andy at 3/29/2011 6:23:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:23:45 PM" ) )12:23 PM
by NHK Listener via Img585.imageshack.us at 3/29/2011 6:23:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:23:32 PM" ) )12:23 PM
@Jay 77 - Understood and I hope he's well. I was just passing on information that was new to me.
by Capt at 3/29/2011 6:23:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:23:20 PM" ) )12:23 PM
by NHK Listener via Img163.imageshack.us at 3/29/2011 6:23:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:23:09 PM" ) )12:23 PM
by WolfDK at 3/29/2011 6:23:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:23:01 PM" ) )12:23 PM
@radioguy More like bromine than iodine, IMO. Iodine tends to be more purple.
by pj at 3/29/2011 6:22:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:22:58 PM" ) )12:22 PM
by NHK Listener via Img820.imageshack.us at 3/29/2011 6:22:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:22:49 PM" ) )12:22 PM
Not sure if these will help
by NHK Listener at 3/29/2011 6:22:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:22:45 PM" ) )12:22 PM
@LM The weather has been off for a couple of years due to the solar minimum. The Sun is picking up its activity now, but there is a lag time involved.
by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 6:22:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:22:41 PM" ) )12:22 PM
@radioguy True, vapors of iodine and bromine are heavier than air.
by Bev at 3/29/2011 6:22:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:22:14 PM" ) )12:22 PM
@Bev Ah, sorry I couldn't find the beginning of that thread. Hmm...the color of that plume, if that is what it is, looks a tad like NO2. SF6...I don't know a lot about its reactivity, but when I glanced over an MSDS a while back (we'd thought to order some, but it was a no-go...heavily controlled substance for some reason) it seems like it cautioned exposure to some metals.
by pj at 3/29/2011 6:22:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:22:10 PM" ) )12:22 PM
@Bev Thanks. That's why I'm puzzled about the recommendation to start taking from the Swedes. With 24 hour protection, and dangerous consequences for taking longer than a few days, you'd think you'd want to be very careful about the timing of that recommendation, and it should be followed by an evacuation if the contamination is expected to continue.
by Jay77 at 3/29/2011 6:21:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:21:56 PM" ) )12:21 PM
@LM yeah... agreed. weather has been wonky for a while.. but again, I don't know that it can clearly be said to be "only coincidence". Time will tell.
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 6:21:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:21:51 PM" ) )12:21 PM
@VeenOui@Meretisa To be honest...San Diego weather has been off considerably since last summer so I'm less likely to believe we are experiencing changes from Fukushima. Although...depending on what happens next, that could change.
by LM at 3/29/2011 6:21:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:21:03 PM" ) )12:21 PM
@radioguy (head-desk)
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 6:20:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:20:13 PM" ) )12:20 PM
@Bev That color is also characteristic of iodine. I have no idea if that would mean anything but it's just an observation.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 6:19:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:19:43 PM" ) )12:19 PM
@Bobby1 Just to clarify, I agree with your statement about red flag. I was directing my comment to the quote.
by Capt at 3/29/2011 6:18:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:18:44 PM" ) )12:18 PM
@PJ It was a question, rather than an answer, but it's possible. Only problem is, the heavy stuff is rust colored while Sulfur hexafluoride is colorless, but for leak detection they may have a way of changing that. tdworld.com
by Bev at 3/29/2011 6:18:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:18:00 PM" ) )12:18 PM
@Alaskan So the surf projections, vs the sea projections are just wave flow to surface layer flow differences? I'm not so much looking for oceanographer-level data, just a quick, thumbnail visualization of things we can[t see.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 6:17:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:17:16 PM" ) )12:17 PM
@Pat -- NRC: "nothing to see here, please move along"
by Alaskan at 3/29/2011 6:16:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:16:44 PM" ) )12:16 PM
@Meretisa Hey OPINION.look at this..pleanty of people are OPINIONATED :-) www.google.com
by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 6:16:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:16:43 PM" ) )12:16 PM
@Alaskan Bloomberg stated NRC said situation is becoming more stable www.bloomberg.com and I got so mad
by Pat at 3/29/2011 6:15:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:15:47 PM" ) )12:15 PM
@ALL- do we have any seismologists?
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 6:15:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:15:25 PM" ) )12:15 PM
@radioguy, the stormsurf site gives you wave magnitude direction (caused by surface winds) but does not tell you anything about ocean currents. Waves don't actually move water molecules much in the x and y axes, just z (up and down). Likewise surface wind shear only moves water a little bit.
by Alaskan at 3/29/2011 6:14:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:14:25 PM" ) )12:14 PM
I grew-up in Wisconsin, it happened every spring and fall, in tornado season, that we'd switch from heat to A/C in the same day
by sheilatoulouse at 3/29/2011 6:14:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:14:23 PM" ) )12:14 PM
@VeenOui (OPINION) For me, I believe that "something" happened 14-15th, again 19-22 (US times). Makes sense to me... only time will tell. I don't believe in "coincidences" I believe in "synchonicity". HUGS
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 6:13:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:13:58 PM" ) )12:13 PM
@Bev Can you share with me what you were referencing when you mentioned sulfurhexafluoride? TIA
by pj at 3/29/2011 6:13:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:13:55 PM" ) )12:13 PM
@Meretisa Yeah, I wonder too.
by es at 3/29/2011 6:13:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:13:44 PM" ) )12:13 PM
I know, i keep writing that :-)
by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 6:13:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:13:17 PM" ) )12:13 PM
@Bev
by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 6:13:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:13:05 PM" ) )12:13 PM
@VeenOui I agree. It's most likely just a coincidence.
by LM at 3/29/2011 6:13:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:13:04 PM" ) )12:13 PM
@markfm That's a great fact sheet on KI.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 6:12:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:12:45 PM" ) )12:12 PM
@Meretisa Well, if one does the math.TEPCO supposedly discovered the leak on the 22nd.......right ?... BUT it wouldd take what ? 5 days for radiation to come across atlantic to US.so it doesn't make sense, as much as i want to buy into it.....UNLESS of course it happened earlier and much more than disclosed.......but as said, no confirmation on weather change......
by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 6:12:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:12:03 PM" ) )12:12 PM
@Veen @LM @Meretisa Fukushima is not affecting your weather patterns one jot, nor your temperature fluctuations.
by Bev at 3/29/2011 6:12:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:12:02 PM" ) )12:12 PM
@VeenOui I've heard the same for our forecast. We're expecting 80's in a day or 2. Very odd for this time of year.
by LM at 3/29/2011 6:10:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:10:27 PM" ) )12:10 PM
@Alaskan thanks. I was using the Stormsurf because it only takes a second to visualize it. As an oceanographer I figured you'd have the NOAA site.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 6:10:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:10:18 PM" ) )12:10 PM
@VeenOui Yeah... it was wierd here too... ranged from 30-70 degrees over a matter of hours.
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 6:10:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:10:01 PM" ) )12:10 PM
@es @VeenOui so... I wonder... could that have been an explosion at plant? not to start any conjecture, but it makes sense that it either was caused by something at the plant or led to something happening at the plant (ie: breach we are now discussing).
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 6:09:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:09:26 PM" ) )12:09 PM
@LM @Meretisa What i havent mentioned is also a severe temp. change.all week 60's and all of a sudden we are going to hit 96 this weekend also not normal
by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 6:09:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:09:01 PM" ) )12:09 PM
In referece to the zoomed frames of the plant video potsed not so long ago, and the brown/yello smoke. Plutonim Oxide(PuO2) is yellow. I am trying to find out if any of the forms of Plutonium can evaporate.
This paper is way heavy, www.osti.gov i have not read it all, but it say plutonium oxide can react to produce a variety of different compunds whilst in a moist enviroments. Some of the reactions are even catalysed by sodium chloride.
You will be sure to hear form me if i find anything useful
by Treiagonaut at 3/29/2011 6:08:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:08:19 PM" ) )12:08 PM
@VeenOui We've had unusually rainy and overcast conditions for the last week...luckily the sun is expected to shine sometime today. It hasn't been typical San Diego.
by LM at 3/29/2011 6:07:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:07:51 PM" ) )12:07 PM
by markfm at 3/29/2011 6:07:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:07:46 PM" ) )12:07 PM
@VeenOui I wondered that too. Live in MN and we melted 2-3 FEET of snow in like 1-2 days (granted, it IS spring), but it seemed a bit excessive. It rained during that melt and it wasn't that warm, IMHO. I don't know. Have asked several people about it and they say all is well.
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 6:07:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:07:19 PM" ) )12:07 PM
@Capt Thinking in terms of my brother-in-law in Tokyo, not me.
by Jay77 at 3/29/2011 6:07:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:07:12 PM" ) )12:07 PM
@Meretisa I have no record 'cept my memory, but will add that when NHKWorld reported it live on the day, they initially said they'd recieved no warning.
by es at 3/29/2011 6:06:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:06:56 PM" ) )12:06 PM
@Meretisa Yes, living in EQ territory , the shallower it is, the more dmage it brings.5.7 this close to ground, it can definetly cause breakage in already strained structures !!
by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 6:06:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:06:35 PM" ) )12:06 PM
@Jay77 - FYI – I was told that the US government has sequestered the iodine.
by Capt at 3/29/2011 6:06:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:06:21 PM" ) )12:06 PM
"The radioactive core in a reactor at the crippled Fukushima nuclear power plant appears to have melted through the bottom of its containment vessel and on to a concrete floor, experts say, raising fears of a major release of radiation at the site...Richard Lahey, who was head of safety research for boiling-water reactors at General Electric when the company installed the units at Fukushima, told the Guardian workers at the site appeared to have "lost the race" to save the reactor, but said there was no danger of a Chernobyl-style catastrophe." www.guardian.co.uk
by Brad at 3/29/2011 6:06:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:06:10 PM" ) )12:06 PM
@Meretisa @LM What has your weather been like ?
In Riv. County, it has been consistently windy and overcast for a week , today first day of normal and if you know PS, we have sunshine 360..........Now, i did ask here "dean" if a atmospheric change could occur due to this and answer was no..so i guess, it's all good....
by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 6:05:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:05:12 PM" ) )12:05 PM
Question: Regarding Iodide tablets, what is the duration of effectiveness? From what I've read, you're supposed to take them no more than 3 days. I assume you need to take them prior to contact with radioactive iodine, but if exposure lasts weeks, months, etc., how effective is that? A little off-topic, but I wonder when I see these reports of people being told to begin taking them. Does anyone have a copy of the instructions that come with gov't issued iodide tablets?
by Jay77 at 3/29/2011 6:04:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:04:25 PM" ) )12:04 PM
@ALL- regarding earthquake at Fukushima location.. it was a 5.7 on 2011/03/22 at 22:12:29 (37.109 140.673) and was only 1.0km deep. Thoughts?
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 6:04:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:04:03 PM" ) )12:04 PM
@markfm thanks again. will chk.brb
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 6:04:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:04:01 PM" ) )12:04 PM
Here's a better source of near real time ocean current info: www.oscar.noaa.gov You can select the area of ocean and time period over which you want to see a chart showing current velocity (direction and speed). You can also access time series data.
by Alaskan at 3/29/2011 6:03:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:03:34 PM" ) )12:03 PM
@Alaskan btw, the 'heads' are confirming your fears re: sea contamination link: www.nytimes.com
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 6:03:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:03:05 PM" ) )12:03 PM
@radio guy I'm not concerned. The data on the SD EPA site just doesn't appear to be functioning. I would love to see what our background levels are...just for infos sake.
by LM at 3/29/2011 6:02:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:02:55 PM" ) )12:02 PM
@Nancy, I have another question for you, when you provided us with your reconstructions of the possible trajectories of debris projected from the explosion at #3, did you notice whether the directions corresponded with the path they found the plutonium on?
by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 6:01:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:01:53 PM" ) )12:01 PM
Sweden tells citizens to begin taking iodide tablets if within 150 miles of Fukushima — Includes Tokyo - enenews.com
by NewsNut at 3/29/2011 6:01:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:01:32 PM" ) )12:01 PM
@Alaskan @all that Stormsurf link i posted below also shows surf forecasts (of course) but also sea forecasts. Different tabs.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 6:01:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:01:23 PM" ) )12:01 PM
by markfm at 3/29/2011 6:01:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 6:01:21 PM" ) )12:01 PM
@LM UC Berkeley has been showing the same: identifiable amounts of identifiable byproducts, but tiny concentrations. As someone from here said, they're using seriously sensitive equipment. They can see it all, but the amounts are so far inconsequential.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 5:59:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:59:20 PM" ) )11:59 AM
temperate
by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 5:59:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:59:20 PM" ) )11:59 AM
@Alaskan You really could see that effect on the animation of the plume. Sorry don have link at moment, but as it caught the currents and eddies it 'wafts' around. Very non laminar flow. Typical at low altitude. Higher up, zonal flow generally takes over and in our case ..the temperature zone flow is west to east.
by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 5:58:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:58:51 PM" ) )11:58 AM
@Peter Melzer Cliff Notes and mind you, i have NOT finished it yet :
Guy that has serious doubts of the Danger Chernobyl still poses and says 10 - 20 k died despite IAEA and he crucifies them, takes a person who was at the incident back 15 years later so 2001 i take it.
Thing is , all along officialy they say that only 3 -3.5% was exposed /emitted..well, Video shows people without propper protection and masks in the Sarcophogus..so they go into it and guess what readings are nowhere near what they expected......so where i left off, the insinuation is, that instead of the 2.5% to have leaked, it's the other way around.....96% leaked /. emitted.....?!!
by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 5:58:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:58:21 PM" ) )11:58 AM
@markfm *frustration* My computer skills not the greatest. Can't find that page!
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 5:58:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:58:08 PM" ) )11:58 AM
@Nancy, if I did not misunderstand entirely, the round hole is in the side of #3 and hence that smoke is also coming from there.
by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 5:57:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:57:46 PM" ) )11:57 AM
THat link isn't going to work because there is an explanation point. yosemite.epa.gov use that link and then tack on to the end of it "!OpenDocument"
by Jojo at 3/29/2011 5:57:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:57:39 PM" ) )11:57 AM
question: what was the UST of the quake below fukushima on 23rd?? math isn't my forte
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:57:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:57:13 PM" ) )11:57 AM
@MaryMary THey have confirmed radiation in S. Korea, Ireland, ? Not sure where else.
by Jojo at 3/29/2011 5:56:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:56:33 PM" ) )11:56 AM
we're lucky there's no "C" in Fukushima...
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 5:56:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:56:32 PM" ) )11:56 AM
that's hilarious
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 5:56:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:56:09 PM" ) )11:56 AM
This is the only kind of real data I could find on actual radiation levels. yosemite.epa.gov!OpenDocument
by Jojo at 3/29/2011 5:56:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:56:02 PM" ) )11:56 AM
Can't believe the software censored my last post. LOL. Sad that world has to work this way.
by James Ward at 3/29/2011 5:55:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:55:55 PM" ) )11:55 AM
@MaryMary Yes, we have confirmed that radiation from Fukushima is in the US, but in tiny amounts.
by Jojo at 3/29/2011 5:54:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:54:55 PM" ) )11:54 AM
@es I think we're dealing with a case of ***ulative damage at Fukushima...first the 9.0 quake, and then the huge tsunami. We know from Richard Lahey's remarks to the Washington Post on the 21st that seawater was not yet being pumped into the reactor housings. Then finally, the 6.0 quake hits directly below the facility on the 23rd.
by James Ward at 3/29/2011 5:54:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:54:47 PM" ) )11:54 AM
OK... I'm off for a bit. Thanks all. There is simply NO way any one of us could filter all of this data alone. Kudos.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 5:54:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:54:46 PM" ) )11:54 AM
For long-term projections of radiation dispesral, you need a climatological dispersion model, such as sdi.odu.edu . It's in DOS haha.
by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 5:54:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:54:27 PM" ) )11:54 AM
I would just love to see some real data. UCBerkeley has some great monitoring and I wish we had it down here.
by LM at 3/29/2011 5:54:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:54:01 PM" ) )11:54 AM
@Capt & JoJo....the point isn't the LEVEL of radiation it is that it is radiation from the Japan event. Capt was (@1:36) questioning whether there was any actual record of radiation from Japan anywhere else...
by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 5:53:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:53:39 PM" ) )11:53 AM
@Bev, Aha!!!
by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 5:53:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:53:24 PM" ) )11:53 AM
I'm an oceanographer, not a meteorologist, but the science is a bit similar. There is not likely a cohesive plume of radiation making it all the way from Japan to the US. Emissions are low level and most of the radiation is going to land within a few hundreds miles of the site. Turbulence will mix the rest into the entire atmosphere, and any particles making it into the jet stream can be detected almost anywhere (N. hemisphere more likely).
by Alaskan at 3/29/2011 5:53:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:53:24 PM" ) )11:53 AM
@Bev The color looks either rust or iodine, but leak detection makes sense.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 5:53:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:53:10 PM" ) )11:53 AM
@VeenOui, I'll watch it, when I find a little muse.
by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 5:52:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:52:49 PM" ) )11:52 AM
@VeenOui The graph has shown a flat line for days with little blips that end up being removed. It's strange..
by LM at 3/29/2011 5:52:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:52:33 PM" ) )11:52 AM
@all opinion: I don't think we need to worry about if something has already been put up. It's so fluid, no one person can keep track if something has been posted already. So I think duplicating is better than leaving something out. IOW commision is better than ommission.
by Jim Carver at 3/29/2011 5:52:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:52:26 PM" ) )11:52 AM
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@Peter Melzer Nope, either the overall or let it be..way too much to related stuff..no worries :-)
by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 5:51:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:51:22 PM" ) )11:51 AM
What you notice if you watch the StormSurf projections for a while is that the flow stream moves north and south, with different swirl patterns as it does. Current projections swirl down the coast of Alaska. From the 12th to the 15tt it was lower, and the backwash came in over Los Angeles after hitting the Oregon area. You cam see that in the EURAD simulation
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 5:51:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:51:05 PM" ) )11:51 AM
I don't believe ours has been working at all!
by LM at 3/29/2011 5:50:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:50:57 PM" ) )11:50 AM
Sulfur hexafluoride to detect leaks? It's heavier than air, and is used in closed systems to detect leaks.
by Bev at 3/29/2011 5:50:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:50:31 PM" ) )11:50 AM
@LM - That is concerning about the EPA monitors. I'm just trying to locate ACTUAL amounts and ACTUAL path of plume disbursement and cannot. Thanks all.
by Capt at 3/29/2011 5:50:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:50:21 PM" ) )11:50 AM
@VeenOui , no it is an hour long I see. What are you looking for?
by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 5:49:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:49:59 PM" ) )11:49 AM
@LM According to EPA as per ABC "don't ask me where" the monitors are out between LA and San Fran....so is SD out now too ?
by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 5:49:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:49:51 PM" ) )11:49 AM
No need to worry, but factual info is always reassuring one way or the other!
by LM at 3/29/2011 5:49:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:49:27 PM" ) )11:49 AM
@all Just to qualify this..I am not concerned about radiation levels here in San Diego...but, I must admit it's a little disconcerting when the San Diego EPA monitor has been flatlined and adjusted for days despite the rest of California's readings.
by LM at 3/29/2011 5:48:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:48:21 PM" ) )11:48 AM
@Bobby1 I completely agree.
by Capt at 3/29/2011 5:48:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:48:20 PM" ) )11:48 AM
@MaryMary That's not that great! We get on average 2.4 mSv / year in background radiation, so figure this would be .24 mSv /year or 240 uSv. That's .65 uSv /day, which is comparable to the smaller levels they are getting in Japan.
by Jojo at 3/29/2011 5:48:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:48:19 PM" ) )11:48 AM
@Capt ...I dunno...for some reason I was under the impression it was from Saturday, but don't know how I came to believe that. The point is, tho, that YES they are detecting radiation in the US from the Japan event.
by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 5:48:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:48:12 PM" ) )11:48 AM
@ifz Ohhh, i thought you could not understand it ?.....I am too much online to keep track of everyone......sorry :-)
by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 5:48:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:48:12 PM" ) )11:48 AM
@elise hello grew up pittsburgh... agree yes precast concrtre,,,, not sure i agree as much with the lack of explosion being a main reason.... for various reasons.... i am just reference these items to try and estimate a heights
by fitter at 3/29/2011 5:47:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:47:52 PM" ) )11:47 AM
My apologies if this has already been posted today: Union of Concerned Scientists' 3/29 statement to US Senate about lessons learned that should be applied to US nuclear plants: www.ucsusa.org
by Alaskan at 3/29/2011 5:47:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:47:22 PM" ) )11:47 AM
@Peter Melzer Ok Peter, dachte ich mir :-).hast Du diesen Video schon geshen ueber Tschernobil ? www.youtube.com
by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 5:47:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:47:14 PM" ) )11:47 AM
@Capt take a look at the www.stormsurf.com page for the PacNW. Look at the wind tab. It will give you a very good idea how it looks ongoing.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 5:47:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:47:14 PM" ) )11:47 AM
@Capt There is no analogy between being irradiated when lying in the sun, and ingesting particles.
by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 5:47:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:47:07 PM" ) )11:47 AM
@VeenOui: i posted that :)
by ifz at 3/29/2011 5:47:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:47:05 PM" ) )11:47 AM
@VeenOui, maybe if you post title, director, etc we can find if it's been translated somewhere, even a transcript?
by sheilatoulouse at 3/29/2011 5:46:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:46:28 PM" ) )11:46 AM
by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 5:46:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:46:23 PM" ) )11:46 AM
@VeenOui, yes!
by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 5:46:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:46:09 PM" ) )11:46 AM
@Bobby - that's an inaccurate and specious statement. We are not inhaling or ingesting or drinking background radiation. We are discussing manmade radiation.
by Capt at 3/29/2011 5:46:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:46:02 PM" ) )11:46 AM
@Jojo Except when it shifted for the snow storm.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 5:45:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:45:29 PM" ) )11:45 AM
@sheilatoulouse Yes, i can of course :-)
The reason i am asking is that the Video posted last night , which i couldn't finish, brought up WAY more of possible simularities to Fukushima than any other Docu. that I have seen in English....and i watched a lot.....so i want another opinion
by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 5:45:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:45:18 PM" ) )11:45 AM
@Capt I don't have that. I have seen weather reports showing how air would move (up to Alaska, down the coast, and then inland), but don't recall the links.
by Jojo at 3/29/2011 5:45:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:45:06 PM" ) )11:45 AM
@MaryMary Thank you. Was that one day's measurement? If so, what day? Are there daily readings of the radiation from Japan that might be reaching the US? Including what has reached today?
by Capt at 3/29/2011 5:44:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:44:55 PM" ) )11:44 AM
"Americans are exposed to 100,000 times more radiation than what is coming from Japan from the sun, bricks and rocks, health agencies said." Anytime you hear this, a red flag should pop up. Any danger in the US is from radioactive particulates, not point sources.
by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 5:44:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:44:32 PM" ) )11:44 AM
@JoJo Thank you. The winds are blowing off shore to where? The US? Do you have a map showing the Actual Path of the plume over the US? Thank you.
by Capt at 3/29/2011 5:43:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:43:53 PM" ) )11:43 AM
@James Ward This has so many analogies to the way the BP disaster unfolded and was handled in PR and press that I think seeing how well it worked for BP was what led TEPCO to drop their insurance on the reactors last June. Again, trying to dupe a working template from somewhere else that doesn't fit. BPs saving grace was that the thing was hidden before the public interest was diverted. Nukes last a bit longer and don't fade from the public eye as easily, though there was certainly a period where it looked like the MSM couldn't wait to have something to drop this Daiichi story over.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 5:43:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:43:50 PM" ) )11:43 AM
@VeenOui: shoot
by ifz at 3/29/2011 5:43:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:43:42 PM" ) )11:43 AM
@VeenOui, i thought YOU could :- )
by sheilatoulouse at 3/29/2011 5:43:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:43:29 PM" ) )11:43 AM
@Tenzing got lost on the dip what pic how far back
by fitter at 3/29/2011 5:43:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:43:01 PM" ) )11:43 AM
Is anybody here right now, that can understand German language in Video ?
by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 5:42:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:42:56 PM" ) )11:42 AM
@Capt...this ran yesterday in our newspaper... www.ohio.com the article begins.. Published on Tuesday, Mar 29, 2011
Tiny amounts of radiation from Japanese nuclear reactors have been found in rainwater in Northeast Ohio.
The findings were made by Dr. Gerald Matisoff of Case Western Reserve University and announced Monday by the university in Cleveland.
Matisoff, a professor of geology, found low levels of Iodine 131 in rainwater collected from the roof of the A.W. Smith Building on campus.
The find presents no danger to human health, he said.
He estimated the level of radiation at 10 percent that ofbackground radiation, or what naturally occurs.
''In theory, the Iodine 131 could have come from any radioactive waste-processing facility,'' he said. ''But we know it's from Japan. The isotope is being seen worldwide.''
Matisoff collects rainwater to monitor the particulates that are carried via rain into Lake Erie.
Low-level radiation carried by winds has been detected recently in in a number of U.S. states, from the West Coast east to Pennsylvania and Massachusetts.
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency on Monday reiterated that no harmful radiation from the troubled Japanese reactors has been detected in the United States.
It said traces of radioactive isotopes consistent with the Japanese nuclear incident have been detected in Alaska, Alabama, California, Guam, Hawaii, Idaho, Nevada, Saipan, Northern Mariana Islands and Washington state over the past week and sent to EPA scientists for detailed laboratory analysis.
The agency has very sensitive radiation detectors at 100 sites across the United States, includ
ing four sites in Ohio.
The EPA has stepped up its radiation monitoring.
The levels are very low and not a health threat. There is no need for American citizens to take potassium iodide pills, health experts said.
Americans are exposed to 100,000 times more radiation than what is coming from Japan from the sun, bricks and rocks, health agencies said.
The levels found in rainwater in the United States are 25 times below the level that would be of concern for a sole source of drinking water for a short time, even for infants, pregnant women or breast-feeding women, the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported.
Iodine 131 has a half-life of only eight days and will disappear within two to three months, experts said.
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Bob Downing can be reached at 330-996-3745 or bdowning@thebeaconjournal.com.
Tiny amounts of radiation from Japanese nuclear reactors have been found in rainwater in Northeast Ohio.
The findings were made by Dr. Gerald Matisoff of Case Western Reserve University and announced Monday by the university in Cleveland.
Matisoff, a professor of geology, found low levels of Iodine 131 in rainwater collected from the roof of the A.W. Smith Building on campus.
The find presents no danger to human health, he said.
He estimated the level of radiation at 10 percent that ofbackground radiation, or what naturally occurs.
''In theory, the Iodine 131 could have come from any radioactive waste-processing facility,'' he said. ''But we know it's from Japan. The isotope is being seen worldwide.''
by MaryMary at 3/29/2011 5:42:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:42:22 PM" ) )11:42 AM
@Capt Here's the link that shows most radiation blowing offshore. This makes sense since they had high NW winds early on in the crisis. www.zamg.ac.at
by Jojo at 3/29/2011 5:42:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:42:12 PM" ) )11:42 AM
@Meretisa I get what you were saying. I'm with you... I'm getting slightly radiated from Japan here in Colorado, and I have small children, but the levels of radiation really don't bother me relative to all of life's other dangers.
by Jay77 at 3/29/2011 5:41:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:41:42 PM" ) )11:41 AM
@Peter Melzer could it be residual whatever coming from bldg 4 because the duct is no longer connected to bldg 4?
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 5:41:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:41:29 PM" ) )11:41 AM
@fitter: top panels appear to be pre-cast concrete and would be designed to blow out in a typhoon in order to conserve the overall structural integrity. the issue of safe design of this building was taking into account the conflicting structural needs of 3 types of disaster scenario - earthquake, tsunami and typhoon.
by elise at 3/29/2011 5:41:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:41:20 PM" ) )11:41 AM
@James Ward OK, following on from that arstechnica info, now I'm concerned about the very shallow 'earthquake' reported directly below the Fukushima plant at 07:12 JST 23 Mar 2011 www.jma.go.jp Anyone put me straight?
by es at 3/29/2011 5:41:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:41:12 PM" ) )11:41 AM
Be back in a few, out for lunch. Will finish things with that image when I get back.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 5:40:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:40:59 PM" ) )11:40 AM
@Meretisa Here's that link I was talking about www.epa.gov
by Jojo at 3/29/2011 5:40:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:40:51 PM" ) )11:40 AM
@Capt I have an estimated map of the plume from Japan and there was another (Swiss?) link which showed a time-lapse of radiation showing most radiation blowing offshore. I'll see if I can find it.
by Jojo at 3/29/2011 5:40:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:40:33 PM" ) )11:40 AM
@radioguy Good Call on the dip!
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 5:39:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:39:52 PM" ) )11:39 AM
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@Peter Melzer And so heavy it all falls out in that one dip, and none at the end?
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 5:39:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:39:21 PM" ) )11:39 AM
@James Ward SIGH. I was JUST saying that as of right now they don't need to worry about themselves or kids getting radiation poisoning. :P SHEESH. (Stepping away for a while)
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:39:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:39:06 PM" ) )11:39 AM
OK so the smoke coming out of #3.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 5:39:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:39:05 PM" ) )11:39 AM
by markfm at 3/29/2011 5:39:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:39:05 PM" ) )11:39 AM
@Peter Melzer would metallic particles in smoke behave that way?
by Jay77 at 3/29/2011 5:38:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:38:31 PM" ) )11:38 AM
@radioguy, yes the smoke must be heavier than air!
by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 5:38:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:38:21 PM" ) )11:38 AM
@Meretisa I'm sorry, and I mean no disrespect, but I've experienced 47 years of "reassurances" from various governments on a variety of topics, and they invariably lie to protect themselves. Sometimes you have to dig past everything you're being told to get to the real facts, no matter how much it may hurt to do so.
by James Ward at 3/29/2011 5:38:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:38:13 PM" ) )11:38 AM
Perhaps it is a fluid?
by Sin at 3/29/2011 5:37:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:37:50 PM" ) )11:37 AM
@Marie I believe what you want is www.nisa.meti.go.jp with en20110329-7-3.pdf (darn site keeps thinking I'm posting spam)
by markfm at 3/29/2011 5:37:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:37:24 PM" ) )11:37 AM
@Nancy @Tensing, the interesting thing is that the brown smoke emanating from the knee seems heavier than air, otherwise we would see it go up and it would also rise from the open higher end on the right. So whatever it is, it accumulates at the lowest point.
by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 5:37:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:37:17 PM" ) )11:37 AM
@sheilatoulouse oops! I'm afraid I'm guilty of opining and speculation. But in my defense, I try to base it on hard data and primary sources because that's what I was trained to do
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 5:37:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:37:13 PM" ) )11:37 AM
@Nancy Other way around...disconnected from 4.
by Sin at 3/29/2011 5:36:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:36:54 PM" ) )11:36 AM
@Jojo Can you provide proof of that such as maps of the Actual Path of the radiation plume and actual Daily readings of the radiation and amount which is reaching the US? Thank you.
by Capt at 3/29/2011 5:36:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:36:45 PM" ) )11:36 AM
@VeenOui look at markfm comment from 10:26
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 5:36:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:36:26 PM" ) )11:36 AM
Looked at the video, so 3 & 4 share a tower. That would make that rust smoke have to be coming out of #4 as the connection to #3 is gone.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 5:36:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:36:18 PM" ) )11:36 AM
@Jay77 Not really. I can read English fairly well and (I hope) write it too.
We are translating and offering info for people in that forum I posted before. We are one of the few sources of (true) info and criticism in Spanish right now I think.
by spanish_reader at 3/29/2011 5:36:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:36:15 PM" ) )11:36 AM
@Sin It looks like something venting, and it's not on the lens because it moves with the image, but look at the end of that pipe. It's open. So what does that indicate if anything?
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 5:36:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:36:02 PM" ) )11:36 AM
@Tenzing no drawings or dementions, just 30 years in industrial building... look at the buildings with just the tops blown out,,, they are probably desinedto do that, most coluums in industrial plant are apprx 15-20' high (consev would be 10') you can see three sections that is the work level section. the top of the containment should prob be not to far below the work level...(cover plate) then the reactor lid is prob. no less than 5 feet below where the containment lid connects to the containment body... these are just quesses.. but after looking at the reports last night and today on venting systems between here and japan i no longer think they build like us.... but the top of the "contaiment vessel" i would think is not much lower than the concrete walls remaing on number 1 bld.... just a guess... i would also guess the concrete coluums on the lower floors range between 10-15 foot in heighth you can see the sections on some of the buildings ... i am pretty conservitive in general and that is what i have been using to estimate hight of plume on #3 explosion.... building vs exhaust riseres vs plume its quite remarcable
by fitter at 3/29/2011 5:35:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:35:50 PM" ) )11:35 AM
@Tenzing Thats waht I meant.
by Sin at 3/29/2011 5:34:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:34:53 PM" ) )11:34 AM
Are you guys comparing Chernobyl pictures with Fukushima Video framess?..still trying to get a sense here?
by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 5:34:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:34:32 PM" ) )11:34 AM
@sheilatoulouse I was referring to the people who just arrived here from Spain. Excuse me for trying to quell fears with information. :P
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:34:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:34:22 PM" ) )11:34 AM
@Nancy building 3 is on the left (if your looking at the photo) and 4 is on your right.
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 5:34:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:34:19 PM" ) )11:34 AM
@Nancy That was how I saw it...correct me if I am wrong. Like your avatar by the way.
by Sin at 3/29/2011 5:33:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:33:54 PM" ) )11:33 AM
i've had all of the reassuring i can stand from TEPCO, etc. I come here to hear 'just the facts ma'am'
by sheilatoulouse at 3/29/2011 5:33:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:33:18 PM" ) )11:33 AM
@spanish_reader are you using the "translate posts and comments" feature in the options tab to read this blog in spanish? If so, that's great!
by Jay77 at 3/29/2011 5:33:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:33:07 PM" ) )11:33 AM
@Meretisa I hear you, and most everyone outside of Japan has nothing to worry about in terms of radiation. But we shouldn't sugar coat it. Most of the radiation has actually been flying out to SEA since this crisis began because of the NW wind, only a little bit has moved inland and it caused this much damage. How much Cesium is now just off the coast of Japan, sitting there on kelp for 200 years?
by Jojo at 3/29/2011 5:33:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:33:01 PM" ) )11:33 AM
So to get it correct, is that building 4 on the left of the image and building 3 on the right or the other way?
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 5:32:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:32:56 PM" ) )11:32 AM
@all I have to go now need to study for Kinesiology Final at 9am PST tomorrow. thanks for being you :)
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 5:32:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:32:55 PM" ) )11:32 AM
@Nancy @marie rich I do believe it is leaks, if you look at the video. www.youtube.com frame 1:21.
by Sin at 3/29/2011 5:32:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:32:52 PM" ) )11:32 AM
@Bobby1 :P Very funny. Seriously, part of our work here has to be to give good info and not fear-monger. A bit of reassurance is not lying or coddling, it is being a kind human being.
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:32:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:32:48 PM" ) )11:32 AM
@Bobby1 zing.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 5:32:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:32:07 PM" ) )11:32 AM
Here is another very good observation by poster "BadAndy" made toward the bottom of the linked Ars Technica page: "In these situations it's commonly the case that the worst estimate which is itself creditable, and is made publicly by somebody really creditable, is closest to the truth, and usually the truth is a little worse than that. This general maxim is an old one; it applies across a wide range of military and engineering scenarios." In intelligence circles, this is know as a "limited hang-out"....a statement with just enough truth to appear to be THE truth. arstechnica.com
by James Ward at 3/29/2011 5:31:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:31:57 PM" ) )11:31 AM
@Nancy agree
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 5:31:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:31:55 PM" ) )11:31 AM
@Meretisa People looking for comfort and reassurance should stick to Tepco press releases.
by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 5:31:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:31:48 PM" ) )11:31 AM
The rust smoke, could the 2 opaque sections be concentrated smoke/steam? Sin said that is the venting to the stacks. What would be rust colored? Maybe it is a pair of leaks on the pipe. That would be consistent with the two rust spots being steam/smoke drifting up.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 5:31:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:31:14 PM" ) )11:31 AM
@Jojo I know. I'm just saying.... for those coming here out of fear of radiation poisoning their kids in other countries, I was trying to be reassuring- as much as anyone can be- at this point.
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:31:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:31:05 PM" ) )11:31 AM
@VeenOui idk, I'm trying to work on unit parameters and still keep up w/ blog
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 5:30:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:30:31 PM" ) )11:30 AM
@VeenOui I remember that, I believed I disagreed.
by Sin at 3/29/2011 5:30:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:30:02 PM" ) )11:30 AM
@Meretisa Well, it is. Just not a lot of radiation. And we haven't even talked about the damage (short-term or long-term) to the Pacific Ocean.
by Jojo at 3/29/2011 5:29:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:29:44 PM" ) )11:29 AM
@marie rich I am NOT contesting it, I asked about it and numerous people pushed for artifact....i let it be because of them..so is this being compared to new images ?.....
by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 5:29:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:29:19 PM" ) )11:29 AM
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 5:29:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:29:01 PM" ) )11:29 AM
@Bobby1 I know. There are many opinions. And yes- long-term releases should have been included. Am just trying to reassure people. I get it a lot that people are terrified that whole world is being irradiated. Thanks for clarification.
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:28:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:28:38 PM" ) )11:28 AM
For spanish readers, you can get updated info and discuss here: www.burbuja.info
by spanish_reader at 3/29/2011 5:28:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:28:13 PM" ) )11:28 AM
With reference to the probable containment breach would anyone with an degree of expertise on the situation care to speculate on the potential risk to those living in Tokyo?
by Duncan at 3/29/2011 5:27:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:27:46 PM" ) )11:27 AM
@Meretisa I don't concur with the expert consensus you mentioned. It should be "barring explosion or long-term releases".
by Bobby1 at 3/29/2011 5:27:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:27:43 PM" ) )11:27 AM
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@Tenzing I think those things leaning against the ductwork might be some sort of structural framing like the bit still intact at a bit below horizontal axis right below them. It looks the same size.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 5:27:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:27:43 PM" ) )11:27 AM
It was connected to the top of number 4, so its coming from #3, as #4 is disconnected. Post the video link and frame reference number. I do know that is a vent to the steam venting tower.
by Sin at 3/29/2011 5:27:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:27:25 PM" ) )11:27 AM
@VeenOui ok ok. it just bothers me that the artifact is exactly where the units are. not a big believer in coincidence, and I prefer primary sources of imput. but I'l leave it alone from now on...
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 5:27:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:27:23 PM" ) )11:27 AM
@spanish_reader Greetings. We are here for you. At moment we are examining a photo/still for information. If you are here about the readings throughout the globe.. thusfar it seems to be "only" iodine and "only" at levels that are NOT harmful. The expert consensus seems to be that "only" Japan will suffer for this- thusfar and barring any major explosion or fire that would put worse particulate into the air. Thanks for joining us.
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:26:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:26:05 PM" ) )11:26 AM
I stuffed the first photo here: fukushimafaq.wikispaces.com if someone wants to edit the location, comment what it shows.
by markfm at 3/29/2011 5:26:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:26:01 PM" ) )11:26 AM
@marie rich That's the first thing i did, why is this now a topic again ? I thought it was put off as an artifact when i first questioned it here ?
by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 5:25:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:25:35 PM" ) )11:25 AM
This was posted by F16PilotJumper at the bottom of this Ars Thechnica page, and I believe this is an EXCELLENT observation, "For all we know the core had melted through on the 15th when the "thunk" "explosion" was heard and the pressure sensing in the wetwell/suppression pool was lost. Given that shortly before that they were saying the entire length of the fuel had been exposed for 2.5 hours, it wouldn't surprise me at all." arstechnica.com
by James Ward at 3/29/2011 5:25:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:25:15 PM" ) )11:25 AM
@Sin to the top of bldg 3 or 4?
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 5:24:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:24:59 PM" ) )11:24 AM
by Nancy via Houseoffoust at 3/29/2011 5:24:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:24:14 PM" ) )11:24 AM
A very big THANK YOU from several concerned spanish readers here. We are squeezing the web for every las bit of info we can.
by spanish_reader at 3/29/2011 5:23:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:23:53 PM" ) )11:23 AM
@VeenOui look at glow again on final frame of tepco cam. The thing is, it's there, then not, brighter, fainter, different shapes and was there (faintly) as erly as 19Mar.
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 5:23:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:23:51 PM" ) )11:23 AM
The lower right rust spot blown up about 3x so it is pixelated but you can see the detail www.houseoffoust.com
by Nancy via Houseoffoust at 3/29/2011 5:23:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:23:28 PM" ) )11:23 AM
That section of pipe runs along to the top of the building. The top of the building has been blown up. (#4)
by Sin at 3/29/2011 5:23:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:23:23 PM" ) )11:23 AM
@Peter Melzer thats what I'm thinking
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 5:23:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:23:10 PM" ) )11:23 AM
@Sin I can see that now, why is it that color?
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 5:22:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:22:48 PM" ) )11:22 AM
@George Gibb No problem. You DO have a life, afterall. We are just glad you created this page. Thanks. :)
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:22:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:22:44 PM" ) )11:22 AM
@Tenzing, On my monitor, the rust colored stuff looks like streams of gas, coming from the pipe in two places. The hole in the building wall is fairly round. Perhaps that bowl is the inverted containment cap we were looking for.
by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 5:22:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:22:22 PM" ) )11:22 AM
If you look at the video her still was taken from it appears to be smoke or steam leaking.
by Sin at 3/29/2011 5:22:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:22:01 PM" ) )11:22 AM
@fitter at what level is the reactor vessel head located oriented to the exterior surface level of the building?
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 5:21:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:21:52 PM" ) )11:21 AM
@pj Radiation contamination is not homogeneous. Accumulations drift like snow. Readings will vary WIDELY according to locale.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 5:21:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:21:36 PM" ) )11:21 AM
Good Morning everyone, i am trying to understand what is being posted here right now, did something hapen last night when the Cam was off and i asked people to look ?
by VeenOui at 3/29/2011 5:21:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:21:30 PM" ) )11:21 AM
Sorry all for the slow response time moderation - I'm checking as often as I can
by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 5:21:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:21:17 PM" ) )11:21 AM
@Nancy thank you
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 5:20:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:20:55 PM" ) )11:20 AM
@Tenzing good point... and from looking at the building construction compare other buildings, its the top of thr building desighen to blow up/out NOT THAT SECTION
by fitter at 3/29/2011 5:20:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:20:43 PM" ) )11:20 AM
@marie rich no. look at the T duct work by the tower there are vertical rust colored objects leaning against that duct work
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 5:20:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:20:13 PM" ) )11:20 AM
@Tenzig, all, I enlarged and did some things to that photo in Photoshop. The rust spots are either something in the air or something on the camera lens. The upper rust spot is transparent and has thinner edges. The lower one is transparent on the edges and diffuse. Even though the top of that lower spot looks very sharp and angular. The top of that is opaque and could be something IF the transparent rusty blur is smoke or steam etc of the same color as the solid portion. Otherwise I would call it an anomaly. The upper one is definitely a bit of smoke or something transparent in the air or on the lens.
by Nancy at 3/29/2011 5:20:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:20:03 PM" ) )11:20 AM
@Tenzing Brad has been providing that service to us - I'm a little swamped today with work. But I'll try to get on it soon thanks.
by George Gibb at 3/29/2011 5:19:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:19:50 PM" ) )11:19 AM
@George- people had question how to post pick on page? He's back I think. Re-ask.
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:19:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:19:14 PM" ) )11:19 AM
@fitter I have no idea
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 5:19:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:19:09 PM" ) )11:19 AM
@Tenzing Are you talkin about the plume of rusty smoke?
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 5:18:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:18:44 PM" ) )11:18 AM
@Peter Melzer something with a substantial amount of force made that hole in the wall its almost a perfect circle
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 5:18:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:18:36 PM" ) )11:18 AM
@Tenzing good question what color is danaged fuel??
by fitter at 3/29/2011 5:18:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:18:05 PM" ) )11:18 AM
from AT: "That's the guy. And I met him in passing at some seminars I've gone over to RPI to hear. And if he thinks there's a good chance that the melt has gone through the bottom of #2's pressure vessel, and is willing to say it for public attribution ... that's really bad."arstechnica.com
by ifz at 3/29/2011 5:17:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:17:56 PM" ) )11:17 AM
@Peter Melzer thats what I've been thinking for a while now but haven't been able to post photo, are those rust colored objects fuel rods? I hope not!
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 5:16:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:16:43 PM" ) )11:16 AM
by WolfDK via Pointscope01.jp at 3/29/2011 5:16:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:16:40 PM" ) )11:16 AM
@James Ward I agree. It gives him firsthand knowledge. on top of lifetime credentials.
by radioguy at 3/29/2011 5:16:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:16:16 PM" ) )11:16 AM
where do we find photo page
by fitter at 3/29/2011 5:15:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:15:39 PM" ) )11:15 AM
@Nancy, could be Tenzing found the missing pieces. Look at the bottom right of the middle of the pic! The piece on the ground looks like a bowl.
by Peter Melzer at 3/29/2011 5:15:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:15:34 PM" ) )11:15 AM
#Moderator can we add the image Nancy just posted to the photo page?
by Tenzing at 3/29/2011 5:14:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:14:29 PM" ) )11:14 AM
@Jojo Thanks very much.
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:13:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:13:57 PM" ) )11:13 AM
@Meretisa I'll try and find it.
by Jojo at 3/29/2011 5:13:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:13:43 PM" ) )11:13 AM
@you The EPA info on 10mSv thing
by Meretisa at 3/29/2011 5:13:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:13:25 PM" ) )11:13 AM
just want to second the great work done here, everyone has woeked hard to stay on point, politic out and self screening of the quality of info... i would also bet rueters is monitoring...thanks to all
by fitter at 3/29/2011 5:13:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:13:16 PM" ) )11:13 AM
@pj Hey, who knows? gotta have somebody go back and compare all rad readings for insight. But they certainly do publish oddities. In one NISA report from ystdy they say on 26th and 27th 137 kids were thyroids were tested in Iwaki and 69 weren't "at the level of exposure of no problem" Double neg=positive. But it could very well be a translation issue.
by marie rich at 3/29/2011 5:13:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:13:05 PM" ) )11:13 AM
@Meretisa For which one?
by Jojo at 3/29/2011 5:12:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/29/2011 5:12:57 PM" ) )11:12 AM
