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@dean Are graphs helpful? How about something to compare it against (baseline/normal parameters)? I'm a web developer so I can build this page
by Jojo at 3/30/2011 3:26:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:26:18 AM" ) ) Tuesday, March 29 2011 9:26 PM
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what is the correct spelling?
by ricky at 3/30/2011 3:25:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:25:52 AM" ) )9:25 PM yesterday
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Meretisa. Can't find you, girl.. Friend me. Same name. Las Vegas NV
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 3:25:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:25:30 AM" ) )9:25 PM yesterday
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jojo.. whats really good are the plant parameters.. flow, water, pressures, temperatures, radiation levels.. volumes of water in various areas. along with some time line...
by dean at 3/30/2011 3:25:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:25:29 AM" ) )9:25 PM yesterday
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@Really? that's what they said about Greenpeace and the Peace CVorp
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 3:25:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:25:28 AM" ) )9:25 PM yesterday
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@Patrick . My email is in the wiki. Please contact me about that when you have time.
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 3:24:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:24:56 AM" ) )9:24 PM yesterday
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@Really? smirk. only secret til we get our PLAN together. LOL
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 3:24:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:24:49 AM" ) )9:24 PM yesterday
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A secret site to save the world? This is devolving into narcissistic hysteria.
by Really? at 3/30/2011 3:24:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:24:28 AM" ) )9:24 PM yesterday
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@ricky @Pedro Jesus Ooops your right..wrong spelling.NADA
by VeenOui at 3/30/2011 3:24:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:24:18 AM" ) )9:24 PM yesterday
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@ ALL. Google docs is a great resource for doing online shared documents like spreadsheets etc. You can invite people to have access or make it public etc. Might be good for compiling things like the reactor data that is already in spreadsheet form
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 3:24:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:24:12 AM" ) )9:24 PM yesterday
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@all I've done internet marketing for years. Keep the group here, as soon as you take it away from here it will lose relevance. We need to use the momentum this blog has created.
by Patrick Kelley at 3/30/2011 3:23:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:23:48 AM" ) )9:23 PM yesterday
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@All When I was watching the helicopter in action and realized that it was more for show than anything. I remembered watching a documentary (I watch them all - its a disease i think) about sky scraper fires and remembered these specialized trucks so I fired out some emails to TEPco - US Navy - couple of local people in japan with the suggestion that they use these vehicles. (no replies btw) but a couple days later guess what showed up....
by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 3:23:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:23:48 AM" ) )9:23 PM yesterday
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Hope that one's you Meretisa! :-)
by Alin at 3/30/2011 3:23:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:23:31 AM" ) )9:23 PM yesterday
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@All- is top one with woman hanging head and Pray for Japan button in right upper corner.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 3:23:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:23:29 AM" ) )9:23 PM yesterday
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by
Tenzing via
4.bp.blogspot at 3/30/2011 3:23:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:23:18 AM" ) )9:23 PM yesterday
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i dont get any Meretisa Halliwell to come up on FB when i search. ):
by ricky at 3/30/2011 3:23:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:23:17 AM" ) )9:23 PM yesterday
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The purpose of the group is to "Analyze and present solutions that can help the world overcome nuclear disasters"....something to this effect?
by Angela5pointo at 3/30/2011 3:23:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:23:09 AM" ) )9:23 PM yesterday
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@VeenOui wow. really. lemme see. brb
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 3:22:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:22:56 AM" ) )9:22 PM yesterday
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@dean For data collection on the plant/reactors, what kind of information is useful? Pressure and temp for sure, but what else is relevant?
by Jojo at 3/30/2011 3:22:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:22:54 AM" ) )9:22 PM yesterday
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There are already some documentation going on via the group that will probably be good resources for things. There is the website documenting the scribble. George has been compiling links and running scribble. People started putting things into the wiki today too.
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 3:22:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:22:38 AM" ) )9:22 PM yesterday
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Actually, I've posted some comments on the IAEA Facebook page.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 3:22:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:22:34 AM" ) )9:22 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa YO, hich one, there is 4 with your name
by VeenOui at 3/30/2011 3:22:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:22:31 AM" ) )9:22 PM yesterday
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we also need to do a global consequence analysis. That will make our case and cause stronger. Will give Pr section mucho ammunition
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 3:22:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:22:21 AM" ) )9:22 PM yesterday
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@Lethbridgean alll are "allowed"
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 3:22:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:22:02 AM" ) )9:22 PM yesterday
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@all try now. I updated my setings.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 3:21:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:21:53 AM" ) )9:21 PM yesterday
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I'm on Facebook also. Easy to find, just punch my name in. Invite to the group when you set it up. I can help criss-crossing information for reliability purposes.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 3:21:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:21:53 AM" ) )9:21 PM yesterday
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If I am allowed in you can contact me at Shazzamm@gmail.com
by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 3:21:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:21:45 AM" ) )9:21 PM yesterday
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by Nancy at 3/30/2011 3:21:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:21:13 AM" ) )9:21 PM yesterday
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@There will be for our focused effort on specific causes. .... let me check my FB settings brb
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 3:20:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:20:50 AM" ) )9:20 PM yesterday
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keep the information gathers.. link web sites that are best for weather, earthquakes, tsunamis. etc..
by dean at 3/30/2011 3:20:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:20:48 AM" ) )9:20 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa, you didn't come up on FB
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 3:20:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:20:34 AM" ) )9:20 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa there is 4 of you.which one ?
by VeenOui at 3/30/2011 3:20:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:20:32 AM" ) )9:20 PM yesterday
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@All we will STILL be posting here.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 3:20:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:20:24 AM" ) )9:20 PM yesterday
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yes.. we all must stay here.. and continue with what's going on ..
by dean at 3/30/2011 3:20:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:20:23 AM" ) )9:20 PM yesterday
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@jay77 This is an international emergency/analysis group
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 3:20:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:20:03 AM" ) )9:20 PM yesterday
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oh guys please still post here as well!!!!
by Angie at 3/30/2011 3:19:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:19:57 AM" ) )9:19 PM yesterday
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@Nancy, would you mind posting the link for the faq please? I can't find it just at the moment. Thanks very much!
by DMB at 3/30/2011 3:19:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:19:54 AM" ) )9:19 PM yesterday
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@All- my FB is Meretisa Halliwell. Friend me and we'll get giong on this.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 3:19:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:19:48 AM" ) )9:19 PM yesterday
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by Pat at 3/30/2011 3:19:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:19:36 AM" ) )9:19 PM yesterday
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meretisa.. get someone to begin a list.. names from the room and what their specility is,, or what they would like to participate on... research,calling vendors, collating data, engineers (mechanical, civil, nuclear).. former nuclear plant operators, doctors, nurses, etc... that will give us a pool
by dean at 3/30/2011 3:19:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:19:33 AM" ) )9:19 PM yesterday
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I like Dean's idea of a letter about working conditions.
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 3:19:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:19:30 AM" ) )9:19 PM yesterday
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@dean ok. everyone go to FB and friend the hell out of me and I'll get the group going. WOW. I can hardly believe this is real.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 3:19:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:19:28 AM" ) )9:19 PM yesterday
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I tend to only open my mouth when I have something viable to contribute but would relish the opportunity to at least observe this in action ... I was just thinking a clear statement of what the exact purpose of the group would be might be of help?
by Gordon at 3/30/2011 3:19:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:19:01 AM" ) )9:19 PM yesterday
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@VeenOui Braniac power- we're going to make a plan to fix this!! And then were gonna push some buttons...
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 3:18:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:18:57 AM" ) )9:18 PM yesterday
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@dean - Exactly that article posted last night about the working conditions made me sick to my stomach..
by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 3:18:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:18:55 AM" ) )9:18 PM yesterday
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@dean: YES YES YES
by Apollo at 3/30/2011 3:18:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:18:53 AM" ) )9:18 PM yesterday
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@dean Well that's what I told Franken's office, that NRC's offended the japanese when they declared 50 evac zone and now he's understating and I said his credibilty ws shot and he Borchardt shouls step down.
by Pat at 3/30/2011 3:18:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:18:42 AM" ) )9:18 PM yesterday
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I hate to say it but I think that another earthquake is likely soon somewhere.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 3:18:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:18:41 AM" ) )9:18 PM yesterday
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@ Marie Rich: I thought I misunderstood the translator the first time but then she used that term again.
by JenniferP at 3/30/2011 3:18:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:18:17 AM" ) )9:18 PM yesterday
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There are some physics forums where people discuss things.
by Scilla at 3/30/2011 3:18:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:18:01 AM" ) )9:18 PM yesterday
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@DMB, my email is in the fukushimafaq wiki. I bet there will be a time where your talents would come in really handy. (Used to work in advertising & communications)
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 3:18:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:18:01 AM" ) )9:18 PM yesterday
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I wonder if an emergency international design competition might be another good approach.
by jay77 at 3/30/2011 3:17:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:17:49 AM" ) )9:17 PM yesterday
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by inCalifornia at 3/30/2011 3:17:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:17:45 AM" ) )9:17 PM yesterday
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I would like to make the first recommendation... meretisa.. could you get someone to draft a letter which we can all sign that is to be sent to the japanese ministry of nuclear safety and others like IAEA ,,, that sends our strongest demand that the workers in the facilities be given better quarters, food, showers, places to sleep other than on the floor over a lead blanket... it's inhumane what they are doing.. 12 hour shifts,, no showers for days, I can't believe it
by dean at 3/30/2011 3:17:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:17:31 AM" ) )9:17 PM yesterday
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OK, whatever is going on here.. you bertter include me or i am going to cry....
by VeenOui at 3/30/2011 3:17:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:17:31 AM" ) )9:17 PM yesterday
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Maybe we should move somewhere more discreet now.
by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 3:17:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:17:29 AM" ) )9:17 PM yesterday
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Yeah, so as a reminder, the cloth idea is called the TippyToe option.
by tippytoe at 3/30/2011 3:17:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:17:28 AM" ) )9:17 PM yesterday
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I've got "Do You Hear The People Sing?" from Les Mis running through my head as background noise now... Not really relevant of course, I have this mental picture of everyone storming the barricades. Lol
by joanna at 3/30/2011 3:17:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:17:21 AM" ) )9:17 PM yesterday
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We have a mole: Media reports said that the government and the experts have been studying the feasibility of new steps such as covering reactors of the plant with special cloth to reduce the amount of radioactive particles flying away from the facility and using a big tanker to collect the contaminated water.
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 3:17:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:17:18 AM" ) )9:17 PM yesterday
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@JenniferP ha HA HA HA Tinnytoes, do you hear that??
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 3:16:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:16:45 AM" ) )9:16 PM yesterday
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FB is quick and common app
by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 3:16:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:16:35 AM" ) )9:16 PM yesterday
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you is karronna. lol
by karronna at 3/30/2011 3:16:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:16:12 AM" ) )9:16 PM yesterday
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Closed FB group is a good idea. Roger that, Nancy.
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 3:16:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:16:07 AM" ) )9:16 PM yesterday
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@Bev ROFL
by VeenOui at 3/30/2011 3:15:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:15:58 AM" ) )9:15 PM yesterday
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zero technical knowledge-other than the tiny bit I've absorbed over the last couple of weeks from following this blog, but would gladly sign petition, help gather documents, whatever grunt work may be parceled out.
by karronna at 3/30/2011 3:15:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:15:58 AM" ) )9:15 PM yesterday
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An idea--take it or leave it: What about filtering your ideas through the UC Berkeley Nuclear Engineering Department to get some sort of legitimacy and buy-in before approaching other officials/politicians? I only mention this because I see they have a forum being moderated by one of the nuclear engineering staff: D. Chivers
www.nuc.berkeley.edu Forum=http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/forum/218 Berkeley is the home of many many Nobel prize-winning scientists and not likely a bastion of government secrecy (I used to live across the street).
by percy at 3/30/2011 3:15:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:15:55 AM" ) )9:15 PM yesterday
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I'm guessing you guys saw this - govt mulling new steps to get plant under control.
english.kyodonews.jpby Scilla at 3/30/2011 3:15:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:15:48 AM" ) )9:15 PM yesterday
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@Tenzing, @All, What did I miss? Sorry - was at meetings all day and evening, and there are references to 'helping out' and 'editing'. I can help to some extent, if editing or writing is required -- I'm a communications consultant by trade. Just let me know what the plan is.
by DMB at 3/30/2011 3:15:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:15:44 AM" ) )9:15 PM yesterday
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@Veen I read back five pages trying to figure it out. I finally gave it up and took up drinking instead.
by Bev at 3/30/2011 3:15:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:15:37 AM" ) )9:15 PM yesterday
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@Karen, there are plenty of ways to lock down and limit documents online if that is what you were talking about. Email is inefficient for developing a group document
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 3:15:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:15:29 AM" ) )9:15 PM yesterday
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NHK English World News: Noon edition. Hidehiko Nishiyama has mentioned that they are thinking of putting a cloth/sheet (Japanese translators words) over the damaged reactors to try to stop the escape of radiation as they work. The analyst on the news program said this is an unprecedented move that has never been attempted before.
by JenniferP at 3/30/2011 3:15:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:15:21 AM" ) )9:15 PM yesterday
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@All- for protection the tiny group I made on FB is SECRET- so private. If/when we use it.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 3:15:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:15:19 AM" ) )9:15 PM yesterday
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just set up a generic email account Karen
by Sin at 3/30/2011 3:15:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:15:17 AM" ) )9:15 PM yesterday
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@Nancy Somebody pass the bottle! I need some of whatever y'all are having.
by Bev at 3/30/2011 3:15:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:15:09 AM" ) )9:15 PM yesterday
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What is goin on here ? I am reading backup ??
by VeenOui at 3/30/2011 3:15:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:15:06 AM" ) )9:15 PM yesterday
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pat.. let me tell you .. the NRC does not believe that accross the board.. this is as much a political issue now that anything... governments are trying to be careful
by dean at 3/30/2011 3:14:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:14:59 AM" ) )9:14 PM yesterday
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Personal email may be the best and most protected method, George. Mine is on the web so I'm okay giving it out, but not here.
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 3:14:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:14:32 AM" ) )9:14 PM yesterday
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@ Bev. I declared happy hour. I'm sorry. :-)
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 3:14:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:14:23 AM" ) )9:14 PM yesterday
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@Pat For whatever reason, and I can think of a few, the NRC is lying. It's clear Fukushima is very far from stabilized.
by James Ward at 3/30/2011 3:14:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:14:23 AM" ) )9:14 PM yesterday
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Like Tenzing said, I can help as well. Haven't put a lot of input in, because I not a scientist or engineer, however I am a teacher. I follow directions well...lol as Dean said. I am also great at research.
by Angela5pointo at 3/30/2011 3:14:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:14:17 AM" ) )9:14 PM yesterday
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@George Gibb I have created that FB tiny group. we can start with you me, dean and expand to include others. thoughts? would also be another place to conference in realtime
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 3:14:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:14:12 AM" ) )9:14 PM yesterday
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WTH did somebody put in the water while I was gone? Um... we're going to become a think tank for IAEA? Come again?
by Bev at 3/30/2011 3:13:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:13:56 AM" ) )9:13 PM yesterday
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Count me in. I'll contact some people who might be able to help
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 3:13:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:13:52 AM" ) )9:13 PM yesterday
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@all. This sounds like there will be plenty of tasks to track down data, news stories, old posts and photos. I think we can keep plenty of people busy who don't feel they have industry specific type skills.
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 3:13:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:13:45 AM" ) )9:13 PM yesterday
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@Pat Stabilizing as in "not getting worse at the moment"
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 3:13:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:13:14 AM" ) )9:13 PM yesterday
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first thing we need is a communications backbone to coordinate seperate from Scribble
by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 3:13:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:13:03 AM" ) )9:13 PM yesterday
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@dean but the nrc is one that said that the situation was stable, stablizing
by Pat at 3/30/2011 3:12:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:12:48 AM" ) )9:12 PM yesterday
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@Dean I can start a wiki for it tomorrow morning - ket me know if I should or not. Can help with editing etc.
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 3:12:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:12:37 AM" ) )9:12 PM yesterday
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No one source will be completely accurate / trustworthy. By combining data from many sources we should be able to filter out some noise.
by Alin at 3/30/2011 3:12:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:12:37 AM" ) )9:12 PM yesterday
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Agreed, Nancy. General outline comes first.
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 3:12:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:12:36 AM" ) )9:12 PM yesterday
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@Nancy agreed. @Dean you are very good at keeping us on target and whittling away unuseful things
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 3:12:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:12:33 AM" ) )9:12 PM yesterday
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I would be honored to assist and participate in this endeavor, I'm not a scientist and I'm not sure in what capacity I would be useful. I am available though.
by Tenzing at 3/30/2011 3:12:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:12:30 AM" ) )9:12 PM yesterday
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we have lots of talent.. we've seen that from altering photos to show things in detail.. to retrieving data.. to researching the best information sites etc...
by dean at 3/30/2011 3:12:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:12:25 AM" ) )9:12 PM yesterday
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I've been thinking about this since before this.
by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 3:12:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:12:08 AM" ) )9:12 PM yesterday
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@NHK Listener: Hmmm ... then I wonder why they moved the camera ...
by Terratalk at 3/30/2011 3:12:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:12:04 AM" ) )9:12 PM yesterday
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@Dean can you put together something with the scope of what should and should not be in this? That would help keep people on track for things that should be in it.
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 3:11:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:11:59 AM" ) )9:11 PM yesterday
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LOL, imagine waking up in a couple of days to find all the brains here commissioned to form a world nuclear safety panel.
by Debra Beckham at 3/30/2011 3:11:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:11:56 AM" ) )9:11 PM yesterday
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right meretissa
by dean at 3/30/2011 3:11:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:11:54 AM" ) )9:11 PM yesterday
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@jay77 yes, yes, and YES
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 3:11:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:11:50 AM" ) )9:11 PM yesterday
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I'm not familiar that much with wiki or those other things.. I just learned scribble .. but I folllow instructions ha ha
by dean at 3/30/2011 3:11:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:11:44 AM" ) )9:11 PM yesterday
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@dean good start with NRC. they could get some people to verify our findings.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 3:11:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:11:39 AM" ) )9:11 PM yesterday
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But Jaif gets their info from NHK news...not sure its 100 accurate
by Sin at 3/30/2011 3:11:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:11:22 AM" ) )9:11 PM yesterday
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THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKIN ABOUT .. MERETISA.. my favorite word.. the think tank
by dean at 3/30/2011 3:11:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:11:12 AM" ) )9:11 PM yesterday
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Wow, you guys are fired up! Is the idea to put together one solution or multiple complete solutions? Or just to light a fire to get an international task force together to crunch solutions?
by jay77 at 3/30/2011 3:11:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:11:08 AM" ) )9:11 PM yesterday
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@dean the wiki isn't bad and we could fill in
by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 3:11:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:11:05 AM" ) )9:11 PM yesterday
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@Bobby1 I think a clue to what the US Navy is finding is the fact they moved farther out to sea.
by James Ward at 3/30/2011 3:10:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:10:56 AM" ) )9:10 PM yesterday
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@Bobby1 agreed. perhaps we could become a "think tank"... wouldn't that be cool? LOL
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 3:10:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:10:45 AM" ) )9:10 PM yesterday
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NRC has an ear ... if we contact them and discuss,, I'm sure they will have someone assigned to see what we're talking about.. and maybe factor it into their 90 day assessment ..
by dean at 3/30/2011 3:10:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:10:44 AM" ) )9:10 PM yesterday
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JAIF has historically all the spread sheets since they started making them. Should have all of the plant stats. I think sea water samples are missing
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 3:10:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:10:27 AM" ) )9:10 PM yesterday
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Perhaps we can leave this scribble page as is and get another forum to discuss this organization thing.
by Sin at 3/30/2011 3:10:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:10:21 AM" ) )9:10 PM yesterday
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I am a Red Seal Millwright, Power Engineer(4th class), Sour Gas Oilfield operator. My last 4 years I have been working on Hydrogen Fuel Cell 700 BAR Valves. Don't know how I can help as my computer skills suck but I am in for whatever it takes. Oh and I am Canadian so I don't know how to talk to Senators either..
by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 3:10:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:10:18 AM" ) )9:10 PM yesterday
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I don't think any organization around has the full chronology.. but maybe we can place the best together we can..
by dean at 3/30/2011 3:10:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:10:04 AM" ) )9:10 PM yesterday
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While we are convince the powers that be to attempt to solve the Fukushima problem, we could also ask them to release the fallout data. I am sure that the US Navy has ships in the Pacific measuring it, if they didn't they would be derelict in their duty... we could get a much better idea of the problem.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 3:09:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:09:56 AM" ) )9:09 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa Ok ... I was just wondering if someone was peddling snake oil?
by Gordon at 3/30/2011 3:09:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:09:54 AM" ) )9:09 PM yesterday
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I'm good on the phone. Sound like a lawyer.
by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 3:09:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:09:51 AM" ) )9:09 PM yesterday
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yes.. nancy.. using what we know from our sources...
by dean at 3/30/2011 3:09:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:09:44 AM" ) )9:09 PM yesterday
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you all could help with ideas to resolve issues as the come up for folks in Japan and there could be interpreted pages....
by caraBnr at 3/30/2011 3:09:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:09:32 AM" ) )9:09 PM yesterday
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pat.. I talk to them and state senators .. just like regular people...
by dean at 3/30/2011 3:09:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:09:29 AM" ) )9:09 PM yesterday
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@Dean, like what JAIF puts out daily or something else?
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 3:09:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:09:07 AM" ) )9:09 PM yesterday
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Get me the info, I will pretty it up.
by Sin at 3/30/2011 3:08:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:08:58 AM" ) )9:08 PM yesterday
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@Gordon There is no fix. This is dangerous stuff here, no way to just be done with it... will take years to deal with this.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 3:08:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:08:55 AM" ) )9:08 PM yesterday
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just left him message at office...i wouldn't know how to talk to a senator
by Pat at 3/30/2011 3:08:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:08:51 AM" ) )9:08 PM yesterday
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it would be good if a group that's been collating information on plant conditions to try to create a chronology of data from day one til now... .similar to what brad has done...
by dean at 3/30/2011 3:08:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:08:28 AM" ) )9:08 PM yesterday
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Willing to help - not sure how - keep throwing out tasks and I'lpick something up if I can.
by Alin at 3/30/2011 3:08:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:08:27 AM" ) )9:08 PM yesterday
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I have a couple of domain names just sitting around
by Sin at 3/30/2011 3:08:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:08:23 AM" ) )9:08 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa Hey seriously, short of dismantling the cores / SFP rods there is no "fix" ??? Or am I missing something here?
by Gordon at 3/30/2011 3:08:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:08:11 AM" ) )9:08 PM yesterday
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I have a fully functional web host account with all the scripting etc.
by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 3:07:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:07:55 AM" ) )9:07 PM yesterday
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@dean no I didn't even ask to...
by Pat at 3/30/2011 3:07:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:07:50 AM" ) )9:07 PM yesterday
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@Terratalk That is the geothermal plant
by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 3:07:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:07:38 AM" ) )9:07 PM yesterday
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You all know me on FB. Sinthia Domina
by Sin at 3/30/2011 3:07:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:07:27 AM" ) )9:07 PM yesterday
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SIN.. your hired.. YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
by dean at 3/30/2011 3:06:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:06:52 AM" ) )9:06 PM yesterday
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@Terratalk, I believe that is a cam of a geothermal site, not of the NPP.
by tippytoe at 3/30/2011 3:06:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:06:50 AM" ) )9:06 PM yesterday
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sounds excellent..
by dean at 3/30/2011 3:06:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:06:42 AM" ) )9:06 PM yesterday
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I am an IT person, a graphic/computer artist, and could help with website.
by Sin at 3/30/2011 3:06:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:06:36 AM" ) )9:06 PM yesterday
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Hi Dean, I love the idea just a little slow getting things done today _ I'm sure Scribble may want to help more after talking to the CEO today.
by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 3:06:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:06:20 AM" ) )9:06 PM yesterday
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@George king of scribble you are.
by Patrick Kelley at 3/30/2011 3:06:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:06:20 AM" ) )9:06 PM yesterday
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George you are the new king of scribble thank yopu
by caraBnr at 3/30/2011 3:05:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:05:50 AM" ) )9:05 PM yesterday
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Oh you guys are great! I have been watching this unfold from the start and you guys are amazing! Keep it up guys!
by Angie at 3/30/2011 3:05:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:05:47 AM" ) )9:05 PM yesterday
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@dean please friend george and myself for a FB chat
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 3:05:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:05:37 AM" ) )9:05 PM yesterday
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that link I put in discusses glove boxes to handle samples and waste and also filtration for air handling
by dean at 3/30/2011 3:05:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:05:27 AM" ) )9:05 PM yesterday
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hi George welcome back
by dean at 3/30/2011 3:04:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:04:58 AM" ) )9:04 PM yesterday
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by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 3:04:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:04:57 AM" ) )9:04 PM yesterday
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I can do the website if needed.
by Patrick Kelley at 3/30/2011 3:04:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:04:55 AM" ) )9:04 PM yesterday
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holy crap people I'm struggling to figure out Scribble lol
by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 3:04:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:04:37 AM" ) )9:04 PM yesterday
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What is the cause?
by Sin at 3/30/2011 3:03:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:03:46 AM" ) )9:03 PM yesterday
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@nancy - now mountains, before steaming plant building
by Terratalk at 3/30/2011 3:03:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:03:43 AM" ) )9:03 PM yesterday
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by dean at 3/30/2011 3:03:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:03:40 AM" ) )9:03 PM yesterday
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This was inevitable
by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 3:03:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:03:35 AM" ) )9:03 PM yesterday
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@Patrick Kelley WOOT
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 3:03:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:03:14 AM" ) )9:03 PM yesterday
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@Jojo I don't know. I know they had several enroute
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 3:03:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:03:08 AM" ) )9:03 PM yesterday
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Let me talk to my Dad, He knows a few of the top nuclear physicists in the world. I may be able to get some real names to join the cause.
by Patrick Kelley at 3/30/2011 3:02:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:02:50 AM" ) )9:02 PM yesterday
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@terratalk, mountains.
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 3:02:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:02:43 AM" ) )9:02 PM yesterday
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pat.. did you get him .. ? Al
by dean at 3/30/2011 3:02:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:02:43 AM" ) )9:02 PM yesterday
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@Sin smirk. yup. LOL
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 3:02:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:02:41 AM" ) )9:02 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa OK thanks, I didn't know they had tanker already there. Perhaps there is an issue with the depth of the water, or we would see them get closer.
by Jojo at 3/30/2011 3:02:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:02:40 AM" ) )9:02 PM yesterday
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Ok...let me get this straight...you all are forming some kind of grass roots organization to contact press and government organizations because you have a plan to fix Fukushima?
by Sin at 3/30/2011 3:02:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:02:20 AM" ) )9:02 PM yesterday
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by Terratalk at 3/30/2011 3:02:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:02:10 AM" ) )9:02 PM yesterday
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@dean agreed. we need to get out there and get our voice heard. it is TIME.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 3:02:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:02:03 AM" ) )9:02 PM yesterday
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sounds like a Mutiny.
by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 3:02:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:02:00 AM" ) )9:02 PM yesterday
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NHK live
by caraBnr at 3/30/2011 3:01:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:01:55 AM" ) )9:01 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa I called Al Franken today to tell him the nrc was lying to the committee
by Pat at 3/30/2011 3:01:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:01:55 AM" ) )9:01 PM yesterday
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up
by caraBnr at 3/30/2011 3:01:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:01:53 AM" ) )9:01 PM yesterday
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Chuck Schumer is the NY Seantor for Indian Point. Let me do a little research and find out his position. Indian Point is a 'hot' topic.
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 3:01:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:01:45 AM" ) )9:01 PM yesterday
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A Greenpeace news conference in Tokyo on their radiation monitoring begins at noon on Ustream
bit.lyby gabe at 3/30/2011 3:01:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:01:42 AM" ) )9:01 PM yesterday
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@Reba @all I also have been lurking since Reuters, and only began posting within the past few days. But I spend more time than i should reading everything on this site! It has become a truly valuable resource, and I think the current plans to take this to the next level are fanatastic!
by NervousinNJ at 3/30/2011 3:01:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:01:42 AM" ) )9:01 PM yesterday
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@terratalk Didn't know there were more
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 3:01:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:01:18 AM" ) )9:01 PM yesterday
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not that webcam .. I'll get link
by Terratalk at 3/30/2011 3:00:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:00:55 AM" ) )9:00 PM yesterday
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we have a strong voice here.. and can get signatures on a letter that can be sent to all those mentioned for contacting and be a voice that needs to be heard..
by dean at 3/30/2011 3:00:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:00:43 AM" ) )9:00 PM yesterday
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I believe we can get alittle more organized on the approach then map out who does what.. .like some to the study to get the nuclear water treatment options.. the HEPA filter options and the circulation options and temp covering over the pools etc.. then we draft something... then we contact... we could contact in the interim
by dean at 3/30/2011 3:00:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:00:16 AM" ) )9:00 PM yesterday
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by Nancy at 3/30/2011 3:00:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:00:13 AM" ) )9:00 PM yesterday
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@Lethbridgean I would like to know that myself.
by Sin at 3/30/2011 2:59:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:59:59 AM" ) )8:59 PM yesterday
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@James Ward I worry about that too, but... if we can let media know about our findings AND submit them to IAEA and others, we will have media pressuring them
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:59:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:59:43 AM" ) )8:59 PM yesterday
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I was just looking at the other Fukushima webcam ... at a very steaming building and suddenly they moved the camera ... now facing a forest on a mountain
by Terratalk at 3/30/2011 2:59:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:59:21 AM" ) )8:59 PM yesterday
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Prob just take it out to sea and dump it.
by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 2:59:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:59:17 AM" ) )8:59 PM yesterday
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@dean At least they could remove it from the premises. Surely there is a tanker registered to Japan? Have Japan accept responsibilty for it.
by Jojo at 3/30/2011 2:59:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:59:16 AM" ) )8:59 PM yesterday
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What's the plan? In a nutshell.
by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 2:59:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:59:14 AM" ) )8:59 PM yesterday
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@dean this will have to be a global effort to clean up. someone will HAVE to take it or they will have to use Japan as their place to sort it all out.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:59:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:59:11 AM" ) )8:59 PM yesterday
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De-lurking again. Hi all! it looks like at least some of the media is taking notice again. Anderson 360 was scathing in it's assessment of what is going on...making note of the fact that Tepco and the GoJ are behind the 8 ball and urging the global community to get involved. There's hope! I'll see if I can find a transcript.
by LM at 3/30/2011 2:59:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:59:10 AM" ) )8:59 PM yesterday
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I used to live in Monticello. Kinda creeps me out now.
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:59:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:59:03 AM" ) )8:59 PM yesterday
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@dean The IAEA may not be the best direction to go...Amano has way too many deep connections with TEPCO, the Japanese Government, and the Japanese nuclear agencies. Take that for what it's worth.
by James Ward at 3/30/2011 2:58:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:58:56 AM" ) )8:58 PM yesterday
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@Nancy YUP. I know. I live in MN myself.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:58:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:58:36 AM" ) )8:58 PM yesterday
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not sure what they would do with it, jojo.. no country would take it..
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:58:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:58:21 AM" ) )8:58 PM yesterday
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There are many
by RebaQ at 3/30/2011 2:58:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:58:19 AM" ) )8:58 PM yesterday
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There are many more who watch (lurk) . Been here almost constantly from the beginning!
by RebaQ at 3/30/2011 2:58:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:58:17 AM" ) )8:58 PM yesterday
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@Jojo they have brought tankers from US... it is my thought that they are doing this already.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:58:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:58:16 AM" ) )8:58 PM yesterday
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Let me know how I can help. Despite the typos, I can write/edit.
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 2:58:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:58:05 AM" ) )8:58 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa, something else to remember, Franken has an old Mark 1 reactor in his back yard. Monticello plant. He expressed concerns about it today.
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:57:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:57:59 AM" ) )8:57 PM yesterday
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@James I know what you mean. If it had been pumped out, wouldn't they have said that?
by Miles at 3/30/2011 2:57:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:57:58 AM" ) )8:57 PM yesterday
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I don't know how feasible this is, but why don't they put the contaminated water in an oil tanker? It's designed to pump and store vast amounts of liquid from the shore to the ship.
by Jojo at 3/30/2011 2:57:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:57:43 AM" ) )8:57 PM yesterday
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@dean will get on that IAEA... brb
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:57:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:57:16 AM" ) )8:57 PM yesterday
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by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 2:57:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:57:14 AM" ) )8:57 PM yesterday
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@Dean: I know. I live in NV>
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 2:57:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:57:10 AM" ) )8:57 PM yesterday
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@dean I think Al Franken asked good questions and such at senate hearing. My vote is to ask him
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:57:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:57:05 AM" ) )8:57 PM yesterday
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IAEA is ramping up
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:56:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:56:58 AM" ) )8:56 PM yesterday
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we need to get the the international organization.. like IAEA..
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:56:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:56:54 AM" ) )8:56 PM yesterday
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@Miles Unfortunately, that's what I'm thinking, too. And that water is not just leaking into the sea...if it gets into the water table that's going to add another huge problem.
by James Ward at 3/30/2011 2:56:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:56:44 AM" ) )8:56 PM yesterday
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not harry.. in my opinion..
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:56:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:56:38 AM" ) )8:56 PM yesterday
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IIRC in NRC doing a short term and a longer term study? Is it on more than disaster preparedness for plants in the US?
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:56:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:56:19 AM" ) )8:56 PM yesterday
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As dubious as it sounds, Harry Reid might be a candidate. He has a vested intered. Yucca Mtn. You may recall that Obama through Harry the Hail Mary pass when Reid was close to losing the election.
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 2:56:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:56:18 AM" ) )8:56 PM yesterday
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Fukushima : "La menace nucléaire perdurera sur le long terme", Le Monde's Pierre Le Hir
by Dom at 3/30/2011 2:56:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:56:16 AM" ) )8:56 PM yesterday
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@Bobby1 I see. No problems then, I didn't want to sound apocolyptic, I was only thinking of possible negative effects of irradiated water in the other [damaged] reactors/SFP's.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/30/2011 2:55:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:55:58 AM" ) )8:55 PM yesterday
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also.. NRC is in the very process of developing their 90 day study.. an interim report will be out soon
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:55:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:55:27 AM" ) )8:55 PM yesterday
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@dean I have phone and email for NEI
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:55:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:55:23 AM" ) )8:55 PM yesterday
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NOAA just issued a geomagnetic sudden impulse warning a couple of hours ago. Some people claim a correlation to strong earthquakes.
www.swpc.noaa.gov en.wikipedia.orgby quantman07 at 3/30/2011 2:55:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:55:22 AM" ) )8:55 PM yesterday
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that could help karen.. the other is write nuclear energy institue...
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:54:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:54:57 AM" ) )8:54 PM yesterday
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@Mertisa, Franken would be an idea on to approach.
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:54:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:54:51 AM" ) )8:54 PM yesterday
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@Dean, I think one of the biggest worries right now is Aquifer contamination, that water is slowly draining down, I don't care what they say. If this gets into an Aquifer we are looking at problems eclipsing Chernobyl by multitudes.
by Patrick Kelley at 3/30/2011 2:54:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:54:32 AM" ) )8:54 PM yesterday
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@Karen Warren I have already spoken to Al Franken's office. They seemed interested but I was only looking for phone numbers
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:54:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:54:24 AM" ) )8:54 PM yesterday
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I put my email addy in the wiki main page. If anyone needs technical things with the wiki or getting other online documentation going. We have a few others on the list with these kinds of capabilities too, names are escaping me right now.
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:54:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:54:12 AM" ) )8:54 PM yesterday
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I know one.
by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 2:53:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:53:46 AM" ) )8:53 PM yesterday
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Just an idea.... Call a Senator and pick the right one. Someone looking to be a hero, perhaps?
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 2:53:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:53:15 AM" ) )8:53 PM yesterday
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Holy cow I'm gone for 4 hours and now we are going to do what exactly?
by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 2:52:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:52:56 AM" ) )8:52 PM yesterday
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make sure that water treatment handles radionuclides...
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:52:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:52:54 AM" ) )8:52 PM yesterday
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FYI I'm always lurking.... :)
by Patrick Kelley at 3/30/2011 2:52:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:52:51 AM" ) )8:52 PM yesterday
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@Dennis Tucker Jr I didn't mean it in a negative way. My point is that the status quo itself is unacceptable.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 2:52:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:52:51 AM" ) )8:52 PM yesterday
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@Nancy- agreed.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:52:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:52:38 AM" ) )8:52 PM yesterday
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ok
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:52:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:52:37 AM" ) )8:52 PM yesterday
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@dean I saw that. I will message you after I contact George.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:52:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:52:30 AM" ) )8:52 PM yesterday
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I think it should be semi-controlled at least to the members of the group while drafted. That would avoid any internet mischief.
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:52:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:52:18 AM" ) )8:52 PM yesterday
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meretisa my email is up at the board ^^^ george put it there for questions to be sent
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:51:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:51:59 AM" ) )8:51 PM yesterday
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@Nancy That's good. there are so many of us.
by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 2:51:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:51:34 AM" ) )8:51 PM yesterday
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good find nancy
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:51:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:51:27 AM" ) )8:51 PM yesterday
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@Dean, there are a number of multi-use document formats to write things up. Wiki has a members only format option so only approved people can write. The best way I have seen crowdsourced documents drafted was someone starts, everyone adds onto the document and then it is edited down to the good relevant points and someone does a final edit into a nice organized document.
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:50:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:50:43 AM" ) )8:50 PM yesterday
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@dean ok. sounds like a plan. I am FB friends with him. FB me and we'll conference call it and get things rolling. or my email is meretisa (a) gmail
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:50:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:50:31 AM" ) )8:50 PM yesterday
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@Bobby1 I asked about criticality because the goal right now is to prevent further radiation leakage any way possible at this point. They have enough issues without self-inflicting something else upon themselves now.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/30/2011 2:50:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:50:28 AM" ) )8:50 PM yesterday
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by marie rich at 3/30/2011 2:50:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:50:27 AM" ) )8:50 PM yesterday
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:-)
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 2:50:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:50:26 AM" ) )8:50 PM yesterday
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throwing karen some cookies and milk.. settle down...
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:50:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:50:07 AM" ) )8:50 PM yesterday
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LOL Karen!
by Stormy at 3/30/2011 2:49:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:49:45 AM" ) )8:49 PM yesterday
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It sounds like there's a crack in #1's foundation and the water simply running underground through the sand and into the ocean.
by Miles at 3/30/2011 2:49:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:49:42 AM" ) )8:49 PM yesterday
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@Stormy I vaguely remember like 300 individuals have posted and like 150 who are here most often... I think. Don't quote me, but I am pretty good memory
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:49:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:49:36 AM" ) )8:49 PM yesterday
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meretisa... maybe you could talk to george and perhaps we could set up a skype conference and discuss after we've sort of layed out some ideas..
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:49:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:49:20 AM" ) )8:49 PM yesterday
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@Dean: I feel like a kid in the back of the room who is jumping up and down waiving my hands, yelling.. my turn!. What is the cause and relevance of the latest update. Water halved in basement of #1.
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 2:49:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:49:04 AM" ) )8:49 PM yesterday
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not sure Stormy
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:48:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:48:47 AM" ) )8:48 PM yesterday
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Anyone know how many people we have here on the blog right now?
by Stormy at 3/30/2011 2:48:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:48:32 AM" ) )8:48 PM yesterday
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Everyone seems to be focusing on criticality, possible explosions, the worst case... the best case is horrible if the situation lingers.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 2:48:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:48:18 AM" ) )8:48 PM yesterday
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I think this room with it's knowledge and common genius of ideas is seriously being taken... it's time for us to expand as george is working with people
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:48:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:48:09 AM" ) )8:48 PM yesterday
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@dean Sounds like a plan.
by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 2:48:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:48:03 AM" ) )8:48 PM yesterday
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@dean agreed. I've gathered a few phone numbers... who is going to compile our ideas? who is going to word our letter? let's MOBILIZE!!
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:47:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:47:58 AM" ) )8:47 PM yesterday
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@dean there's a company calle ECOSPHERE that can take the worst, process it thru truck mounted units, and the water actually comes out better that water plant water.
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 2:47:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:47:19 AM" ) )8:47 PM yesterday
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Jim.. I think we should just map out our common thoughts and ideas and then we send them collectively to the proper authorities and say we want to discuss with them and expect feed back.. shoot for an open forumn
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:47:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:47:02 AM" ) )8:47 PM yesterday
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CNN's Anderson Cooper just announced that seawater measured at 3350X normal and Kyodo is saying the water in unit 1 basement has been halved.
by LM at 3/30/2011 2:46:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:46:25 AM" ) )8:46 PM yesterday
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in front of the waste water treatment system you put filters... behind temporary shielding.. that part of another building can be used for... take advantage of installed facilities for shielding
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:46:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:46:02 AM" ) )8:46 PM yesterday
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@dean They just don't seem to be able to coordinate anything very well. Any advice on implementation?
by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 2:45:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:45:43 AM" ) )8:45 PM yesterday
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no Dennis I don't think so
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:45:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:45:19 AM" ) )8:45 PM yesterday
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yeh meretisa.. it's all politics in some ways
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:45:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:45:10 AM" ) )8:45 PM yesterday
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meaning that there is no Hilton or even Motel 6 in Fukushima.
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 2:45:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:45:10 AM" ) )8:45 PM yesterday
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@dean Is there a criticality risk using all of that highly irradiated water?
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/30/2011 2:45:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:45:00 AM" ) )8:45 PM yesterday
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@dean and set up a heat exchanger from that building to improve cooling efficiency
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 2:44:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:44:57 AM" ) )8:44 PM yesterday
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then.. from that building with all the 1000's gallons of water would go through a portable waste water treatment facility or facilities.. they make them on skids and they have their own pumps.. that way the treat the common discharge water and let it go to ocean
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:44:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:44:49 AM" ) )8:44 PM yesterday
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@Dean- do you think that they have this in place now- that the G7 and UN stuff is a sign that they are truly doing all they can or are we still at TEPCO and GoJ??
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:44:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:44:45 AM" ) )8:44 PM yesterday
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New York Times: Confidence Slips Away as Japan Battles Nuclear Peril
www.nytimes.comby James Ward at 3/30/2011 2:44:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:44:43 AM" ) )8:44 PM yesterday
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I think it's best that you stay right here.
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 2:43:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:43:52 AM" ) )8:43 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa The steam carried most into the air and water has carried the rest into the ocean... Apples and Green apples we're debating though.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/30/2011 2:43:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:43:51 AM" ) )8:43 PM yesterday
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@dean you'd have to have some kind of coordinator, too, so they wouldn't get in each others way
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 2:43:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:43:42 AM" ) )8:43 PM yesterday
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I wish I was there helping meretisa too
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:43:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:43:22 AM" ) )8:43 PM yesterday
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I may pick one of the buildings with the least impact and use it to fill with all the water that is coming out of the other buildings and that building and use that pool (the entire building what's left) as I pool from which to draw water from to cool all other reactors...
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:43:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:43:10 AM" ) )8:43 PM yesterday
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@dean MAN I wish you were in charge over there!!
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:42:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:42:53 AM" ) )8:42 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa lol ... I wish I knew what the best course of action is, I don't have the knowledge or experience to even begin to come up with an overall plan.
by Gordon at 3/30/2011 2:42:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:42:49 AM" ) )8:42 PM yesterday
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@Dennis Tucker Jr If it was truly minimal, IMHO, we'd not be seeing as much fallout globally.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:42:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:42:24 AM" ) )8:42 PM yesterday
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I would have a separate team detailing out what it will take to remove the debris one reactor at a time to allow temporary covering
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:42:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:42:12 AM" ) )8:42 PM yesterday
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has anyone been able to confirm 3000x's more figure? Kyodo seems to have stopped running the banner and nothing on NHK yet. kyodo usually good...
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 2:42:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:42:03 AM" ) )8:42 PM yesterday
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@Ben It's just really bad.
by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 2:41:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:41:40 AM" ) )8:41 PM yesterday
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Chernobyl exploded though. That was a source of most of the dust. Fukushimo doesn't have this particular dispersal method [yet!]. Plus everything has got to be damp with all the water, helping to keep the dust minimal.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/30/2011 2:41:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:41:39 AM" ) )8:41 PM yesterday
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now for the issue of pools, and reactor vessel/suppression chamber/tarus/concrete containment, cooling
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:41:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:41:17 AM" ) )8:41 PM yesterday
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Perhaps its posted once before, but I'd like to point
mdn.mainichi.jp (situation of the workers in fukushima). And greetings 2 Askwhy, sounds sympathic
by Ben at 3/30/2011 2:40:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:40:52 AM" ) )8:40 PM yesterday
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yw..
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:40:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:40:33 AM" ) )8:40 PM yesterday
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@dean thank you for reinforcing on the HEPA.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:40:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:40:22 AM" ) )8:40 PM yesterday
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@Askwhy Why we;ve missed you being here and not here...no tv either, huh? Bring in Fraud. or that reference too old? Too old for me I think.
by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 2:40:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:40:15 AM" ) )8:40 PM yesterday
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the stacks are there to let the fission products with very short 1/2 life decay.. then the discharge goes out the stack
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:40:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:40:13 AM" ) )8:40 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa No ... I just mentioned it as an aside as there were comments about 137Cs concentrating in various parts of the environment.
by Gordon at 3/30/2011 2:40:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:40:00 AM" ) )8:40 PM yesterday
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@Dean, very cool that it is that simple.
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:39:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:39:58 AM" ) )8:39 PM yesterday
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definitely NANCY.. the use them for the radiochemistry labs.. where they have glove boxes with lots hotter things than at fukushima
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:39:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:39:32 AM" ) )8:39 PM yesterday
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@Dean- thank you so much. we appreciate you immensely!
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:39:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:39:18 AM" ) )8:39 PM yesterday
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I will find some
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:38:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:38:55 AM" ) )8:38 PM yesterday
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@dean would better dispersion mean more global buildup?
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:38:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:38:53 AM" ) )8:38 PM yesterday
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Would HEPA remove everything?
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:38:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:38:47 AM" ) )8:38 PM yesterday
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they need to be planning a long term plan somewhere on the idea of chernobyl but specialized to the reactors there... a team should be dedicated to long term ..
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:38:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:38:44 AM" ) )8:38 PM yesterday
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@Dean: Do you have any 'handy' links on the subject?
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 2:38:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:38:40 AM" ) )8:38 PM yesterday
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they could eventually tie the discharge of the vent after HEPA filtering, into the stacks and get the air out up 250 ft. for better dispersion
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:37:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:37:58 AM" ) )8:37 PM yesterday
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@Jim, I grew lettuce in our windows one winter. Turn the whole house into a hydroponic farm. :-)
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:37:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:37:58 AM" ) )8:37 PM yesterday
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@dean you think we are at "chernobyl option"? was that the "there then"?
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:37:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:37:41 AM" ) )8:37 PM yesterday
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@Askwhy right on, esp. no tv
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 2:37:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:37:38 AM" ) )8:37 PM yesterday
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put one on each facility...
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:37:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:37:25 AM" ) )8:37 PM yesterday
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yes meretisa.. and the portable units I have seen have monitoring
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:36:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:36:55 AM" ) )8:36 PM yesterday
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@DEAN- that should've been a question abotu HEPA. ok.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:36:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:36:53 AM" ) )8:36 PM yesterday
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@All Another lurker here, popping out from under a rock to say hello -- been reading since Reuters. My thanks go out to everyone for the excellent information, links, and discussions. I would have been lost without such a resource to guide me through this mess. (Also, my late answers for the two roll-calls I didn't speak up during…Fort Collins, Colorado & No Television since 2004 *grin*)
by Askwhy at 3/30/2011 2:36:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:36:50 AM" ) )8:36 PM yesterday
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I don't really understand all that's been going on here. I've been trying to figure it out but things are all moving so fast. What's up Summary plaese.
by caraBnr at 3/30/2011 2:36:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:36:46 AM" ) )8:36 PM yesterday
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that would take care of any venting...
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:36:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:36:39 AM" ) )8:36 PM yesterday
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@dean HEPA will catch most of it.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:36:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:36:33 AM" ) )8:36 PM yesterday
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Water deionizzers
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 2:36:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:36:29 AM" ) )8:36 PM yesterday
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we are there then
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:36:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:36:20 AM" ) )8:36 PM yesterday
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@Dean: Don't worry. Japan has been buying gold for a long, long time.
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 2:36:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:36:07 AM" ) )8:36 PM yesterday
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@borrrden That's good to know, hope it stays that way!
by NervousinNJ at 3/30/2011 2:36:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:36:05 AM" ) )8:36 PM yesterday
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they have specialized units that can be quickly installed
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:36:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:36:02 AM" ) )8:36 PM yesterday
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@tippytoe As the Japanese say in their version of English: "Don't mind!"
by borrrden at 3/30/2011 2:35:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:35:43 AM" ) )8:35 PM yesterday
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@dean it would be beyond Japan's ability to do right now. Global community would have to foot bill. Do you think we're there then? The "chernobyl option"?
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:35:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:35:33 AM" ) )8:35 PM yesterday
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@Maureen Burke why thank you ;)
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 2:35:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:35:27 AM" ) )8:35 PM yesterday
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well first off,,, know where they are venting.. where the pipes are to discharge the vent.. and put some portable HEPA filters there to let the vent pass through...
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:35:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:35:26 AM" ) )8:35 PM yesterday
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@borrrden, day late and a dollar short. I guess I have more in common with TEPCO than I'd like to admit.
by tippytoe at 3/30/2011 2:35:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:35:03 AM" ) )8:35 PM yesterday
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Tobacco and cannabis too.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 2:34:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:34:39 AM" ) )8:34 PM yesterday
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@dean what are your thoughts on better containment and global fallout/buildup of the various isotopes?? are we on a good path of discussion here??
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:34:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:34:33 AM" ) )8:34 PM yesterday
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@Nancy Yes its alot of work doing a big plot. I emphasize with the farmers having to toss out produce. I surely don't want to have to do same!
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 2:34:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:34:24 AM" ) )8:34 PM yesterday
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hydro
by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 2:34:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:34:14 AM" ) )8:34 PM yesterday
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I'm trying to understand what a seismically qualified sarcophagus/containment would cost, it would have to be built to withstand a 9.5 earthquake.. can you just imagine?
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:34:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:34:09 AM" ) )8:34 PM yesterday
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@Nancy Hyroponics sales are gonna shoot through the roof.:)
by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 2:34:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:34:03 AM" ) )8:34 PM yesterday
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@Maureen Burke SMIRK!!
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:33:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:33:55 AM" ) )8:33 PM yesterday
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@Nancy exactly... lol. very worrisome. I refuse to be a "citizen".
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:33:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:33:41 AM" ) )8:33 PM yesterday
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@ All that were talking about a "tent" type structure over Fukushima...This is what they're doing (soon?) with Chernobyl.
en.wikipedia.orgby Stormy at 3/30/2011 2:33:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:33:32 AM" ) )8:33 PM yesterday
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by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 2:33:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:33:28 AM" ) )8:33 PM yesterday
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@marie rich It's the leafy green vegetables like spinach, lettuce, broccoli, collard greens that would go first.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 2:33:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:33:09 AM" ) )8:33 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa @ Marie Rich...BIG BOOBS
by Maureen Burke at 3/30/2011 2:33:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:33:04 AM" ) )8:33 PM yesterday
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ty Meretisa...
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:33:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:33:01 AM" ) )8:33 PM yesterday
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@Tippytoe - LOL. It will be.
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:32:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:32:55 AM" ) )8:32 PM yesterday
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@tippytoe Unfortunately the time signatures don't match your theory ;) The article was published before you said anything.
by borrrden at 3/30/2011 2:32:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:32:55 AM" ) )8:32 PM yesterday
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@Dean- welcome back. :) HUGS
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:32:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:32:46 AM" ) )8:32 PM yesterday
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@Optim I'm afraid the last option did the job. If not, they would have announced with fanfare
by Dom at 3/30/2011 2:32:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:32:36 AM" ) )8:32 PM yesterday
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@Gordon- so... you think that the trees will save us- uptake enough to offset in long-term?? We better start planting. :P
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:32:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:32:22 AM" ) )8:32 PM yesterday
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@marie, we rely more on growing our own food every year. So having a clue if our soil is going to be questionable would be nice. Seems you either get "zomg we are all gonna die" or "it is below legal limits - go watch american idol citizen!"
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:32:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:32:16 AM" ) )8:32 PM yesterday
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Since we know the press and TEPCO are monitoring this blog and cherrypicking our great ideas, I suggest the "cloth over the reactors" plan be officially referred to as the "tippytoe plan".
by tippytoe at 3/30/2011 2:31:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:31:48 AM" ) )8:31 PM yesterday
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@Gordon So.. what do YOU propose?? Cover the plant with cloth, seed the clouds there.... make SURE the fallout is ONLY in Japan?? Seems harsh, but globally may be best answer.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:31:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:31:37 AM" ) )8:31 PM yesterday
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@NervousinNJ Well, I have been looking at the water supplies in my area (Saitama, 1 hour north of Tokyo) and there still is not any detectable cesium in the water, and iodine levels have fallen drastically. If it is fine here, there is no way that it won't be fine there.
by borrrden at 3/30/2011 2:31:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:31:30 AM" ) )8:31 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa Exactly :)
by NervousinNJ at 3/30/2011 2:30:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:30:57 AM" ) )8:30 PM yesterday
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Question: NEWS ADVISORY: Water level halved in Fukushima nuke plant's No. 1 unit basement. Hot stuff? Correct? Where did it go? I don't understand this update. TIA
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 2:30:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:30:57 AM" ) )8:30 PM yesterday
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@Nancy: a very plausible scenario. Perhaps Tepco is pumping out water to see.
by Optim at 3/30/2011 2:30:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:30:51 AM" ) )8:30 PM yesterday
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back after rest..
by dean at 3/30/2011 2:30:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:30:50 AM" ) )8:30 PM yesterday
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@borrden So do you think that several consecutive days or even weeks (has happened here before!) of measurable "radioactive rain" would pose no threat to the water/food supply?
by NervousinNJ at 3/30/2011 2:30:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:30:20 AM" ) )8:30 PM yesterday
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@Bobby1 the chinese have had a drought in their big wheat growing area. australia had that enormous flood which wiped out almost all their cane crop. most asian countries have already started stock piling big amounts of rice because of crop failures scattered over the world. the U.N. has already warned of food shortages and inflation. I've been watching this and just made an agreement with my neighbors to expand my veggi garden with their help.
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 2:30:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:30:12 AM" ) )8:30 PM yesterday
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@Optim, see the 3300x increase in sea water contamination today for that missing water....
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:30:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:30:06 AM" ) )8:30 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa Yes
by Gordon at 3/30/2011 2:29:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:29:54 AM" ) )8:29 PM yesterday
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@NervousinNJ Don't feel crazy. Do what you feel is right. You'll drink that water either way- hopefully toasting your family that you were wrong. HUGS
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:29:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:29:47 AM" ) )8:29 PM yesterday
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@Dom: Good news? i hope they were able to pump out water from basement. If not where did the water go? Seep out into open ?
by Optim at 3/30/2011 2:29:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:29:30 AM" ) )8:29 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa Yes the plume is about to finish encircling the hemisphere and come back to Japan.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 2:29:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:29:16 AM" ) )8:29 PM yesterday
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@Gordon you mean they have 33% more NOW than a year after?
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:29:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:29:01 AM" ) )8:29 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa As I have prattled on about on here more than a few times - many times it will be the simplest and most obvious that is the solution you are seeking.
by Gordon at 3/30/2011 2:28:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:28:56 AM" ) )8:28 PM yesterday
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Sorry it is at the front page of Asahi but ScribbleLive doesn't like the address and won't let me send it.
by JenniferP at 3/30/2011 2:28:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:28:50 AM" ) )8:28 PM yesterday
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Hate to ask but can't find info.. What was up with the 12am TEPCO news conference?
by snickums at 3/30/2011 2:28:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:28:44 AM" ) )8:28 PM yesterday
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by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:28:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:28:25 AM" ) )8:28 PM yesterday
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@tipptytoe It would be nice to see TEPCO do some long distance contamination prevention of that type
by Miles at 3/30/2011 2:28:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:28:22 AM" ) )8:28 PM yesterday
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@tippytoe I too thought it was a little out there, which is why I initially didn't share it :-S.
by borrrden at 3/30/2011 2:28:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:28:16 AM" ) )8:28 PM yesterday
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Here is an analysis from The Asahi Shimbun on How long will radioactive water leak from crippled reactors?
by JenniferP at 3/30/2011 2:28:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:28:08 AM" ) )8:28 PM yesterday
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@Bobby1 This has been found in MANY countries, not just US. It is in Italy, UK, Germany, etc etc. This is NOT just a US issue, it is global.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:28:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:28:01 AM" ) )8:28 PM yesterday
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@borrrden, that's incredible, because I thought it was a terrible idea, it was just the best I could come up with.
by tippytoe at 3/30/2011 2:27:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:27:38 AM" ) )8:27 PM yesterday
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I'm concerned about the soil/plants as well. In the meantime, I am stocking up on bottled water and have advised some friends/family to do the same (only to be told I'm paranoid and crazy lol) But there's only so much bottled water one can buy, and if the plants we eat become contaminated, I shudder to think of the consequences. I may be overly concerned, but I can't help it, I have 2 young children. I cannot imagine how parents in Japan are coping right now.
by NervousinNJ at 3/30/2011 2:27:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:27:07 AM" ) )8:27 PM yesterday
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@tippytoe Actually it is funny you should say that, because they are considering that exact idea according to this article in Japanese.
www3.nhk.or.jpby borrrden at 3/30/2011 2:26:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:26:37 AM" ) )8:26 PM yesterday
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@Bobby1 Just an aside re 137 Cs concentrations - The forest (trees) immediately around Chernobyl have close to 33% more 137Cs than a year after the accident.
by Gordon at 3/30/2011 2:26:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:26:35 AM" ) )8:26 PM yesterday
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NEWS ADVISORY: Water level halved in Fukushima nuke plant's No. 1 unit basement: agency (11:24) (Kyodo News)
by Dom at 3/30/2011 2:26:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:26:28 AM" ) )8:26 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa It is possible that other countries would simply not buy the US grain, which would cause prices to skyrocket. The poor of course would be the first to be affected.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 2:25:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:25:56 AM" ) )8:25 PM yesterday
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I know it's too soon to put a sarcophagus over the plants in Japan, however, it is possible to put a large tent over it to keep the radioactive particles from leaving the vicinity? Or, alternatively, should we be thinking about erecting a huge tarp over the midwest and other farming areas in the US and Canada?
by tippytoe at 3/30/2011 2:25:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:25:49 AM" ) )8:25 PM yesterday
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@Optim Unfortunately, we must all hope so. THe more rain they get, the less it blows over the world. Sad to say.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:25:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:25:27 AM" ) )8:25 PM yesterday
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@Gordon EXACTLY. I'd been thinking that and I was looking it up. It occured right around the "spontaneous" fires. I was very ill at the time and we were on Reuters so all my comments were moderated out.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:25:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:25:01 AM" ) )8:25 PM yesterday
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Any more rain predicted in Fukushima area?
by Optim at 3/30/2011 2:24:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:24:54 AM" ) )8:24 PM yesterday
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@NervousinNJ Those reports are slightly dubious. The EPA limit is not intended to be applied to short-term releases, but as a limit to be applied over the lifespan of a human (i.e. above this level is bad if it lasts for your entire life). Also, they were published in 1974...almost as old as the reactor itself >_<. To put it in another way, anything over 0.1 Bq / liter would be over the limit.
by borrrden at 3/30/2011 2:24:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:24:21 AM" ) )8:24 PM yesterday
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@Bobby1 "uptaken into plants" is my worry.... let's figure out how to keep this out of the global food supply or at very least how to protect ourselves if/when it does.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:24:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:24:18 AM" ) )8:24 PM yesterday
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@NervousinNJ Rain mixes down the radioactive particles, it enters the soil and get uptaken into plants. Surface water and shallow wells would be affected.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 2:23:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:23:27 AM" ) )8:23 PM yesterday
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@Nancy Would they really be able to get out ALL the particles? I don't know. More info??
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:23:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:23:26 AM" ) )8:23 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa 2000 C? Zircalloy will likely spontaneously combust at that temp.
by Gordon at 3/30/2011 2:23:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:23:26 AM" ) )8:23 PM yesterday
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@NervousinNJ AGREED. THIS is what I think we all need to start focusing on. GLOBAL outcome of this disaster.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:22:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:22:58 AM" ) )8:22 PM yesterday
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@nervous, invest in water distillers....
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:22:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:22:20 AM" ) )8:22 PM yesterday
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@JenniferP does anyone know what the temps were like 13-16th?? I seem to remember them being int the 2000 range. Anyone?? (my memory is good, but I'd like documentation)
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:21:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:21:52 AM" ) )8:21 PM yesterday
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@Bobby @all
blogs.forbes.com Not sure how credible this source is, but according to this guy, the EPA said that the levels of radiation found in PA rainwater were actually above safe limits for drinking water. But they say that would only be of concern to health over th long term, and rain is a short term event. My question: What if the plants continues to spew radiation at current (or higher rates), and we see a prolonged rain event here in the U.S. (quite typical this time of year)? Would the levels for drinking water become harmful then???
by NervousinNJ at 3/30/2011 2:21:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:21:33 AM" ) )8:21 PM yesterday
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@Bobby1 Seems that way huh?
by Gordon at 3/30/2011 2:21:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:21:08 AM" ) )8:21 PM yesterday
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I don't think we're getting as good of a dispersion rate as what they expected. That's why I was wondering about total mass quantity.
by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 2:20:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:20:49 AM" ) )8:20 PM yesterday
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"Plutonium traces point to core leak: Heavy fuel rod damage feared; trenches fill up with toxic water"
search.japantimes.co.jpby JenniferP at 3/30/2011 2:20:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:20:38 AM" ) )8:20 PM yesterday
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by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:20:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:20:32 AM" ) )8:20 PM yesterday
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@Tenzing thanks. did. worked. :)
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:20:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:20:29 AM" ) )8:20 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa try google translate, it would load for me I kept getting a 404 error but it might have been a glitch in the URL
by Tenzing at 3/30/2011 2:19:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:19:46 AM" ) )8:19 PM yesterday
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@elise My link is Daiichi. In English.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 2:19:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:19:38 AM" ) )8:19 PM yesterday
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by Gordon at 3/30/2011 2:19:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:19:33 AM" ) )8:19 PM yesterday
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by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 2:18:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:18:36 AM" ) )8:18 PM yesterday
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@Tenzing ZAMG in english? or no?
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:18:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:18:32 AM" ) )8:18 PM yesterday
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ty
by Miles at 3/30/2011 2:17:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:17:56 AM" ) )8:17 PM yesterday
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That chart is dai ini...
by elise at 3/30/2011 2:17:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:17:55 AM" ) )8:17 PM yesterday
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by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 2:17:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:17:49 AM" ) )8:17 PM yesterday
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@Optim yeah. figured I was right. :P Dammit.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:17:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:17:39 AM" ) )8:17 PM yesterday
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by Tenzing at 3/30/2011 2:17:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:17:36 AM" ) )8:17 PM yesterday
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@elainekirk Don't really need English, the numbers will be the same :p. The left column is the main office building, the middle the main gate, and the right the west gate.
by borrrden at 3/30/2011 2:17:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:17:28 AM" ) )8:17 PM yesterday
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*sorry* 1280 is old news. I think it was 18xx ?
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 2:17:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:17:10 AM" ) )8:17 PM yesterday
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by Optim at 3/30/2011 2:17:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:17:04 AM" ) )8:17 PM yesterday
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NHK Listener via
Pointscope01.jp at 3/30/2011 2:16:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:16:29 AM" ) )8:16 PM yesterday
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@Nancy yes definitely the highest. Next highest was 1280.
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 2:16:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:16:29 AM" ) )8:16 PM yesterday
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by Gordon at 3/30/2011 2:16:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:16:21 AM" ) )8:16 PM yesterday
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Could someone post the ZAMG link please?
by Miles at 3/30/2011 2:16:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:16:20 AM" ) )8:16 PM yesterday
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@Optim that is an increase 1800x and 1500x were the previous approximate readings in the news.
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:16:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:16:11 AM" ) )8:16 PM yesterday
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@Optim Don't quote me on those numbers, but yes, I think it has.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:16:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:16:00 AM" ) )8:16 PM yesterday
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@KT39 @All THEY will all try to downplay this. This is/has been a GLOBAL disaster from the beginning... it has only just been confirmed to be as bad as we feared. Now we need to work on getting as much info about GLOBAL as we have been about Fukushima. (not to ignore any new developments)
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:15:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:15:43 AM" ) )8:15 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa: it has doubled in that case
by Optim at 3/30/2011 2:15:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:15:28 AM" ) )8:15 PM yesterday
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@Bobby1 I just copied and pasted a few minutes ago ... here is the link
by Gordon at 3/30/2011 2:15:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:15:19 AM" ) )8:15 PM yesterday
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lol
by Miles at 3/30/2011 2:15:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:15:12 AM" ) )8:15 PM yesterday
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Tepco latest readings published I only have japanese version
www.tepco.co.jp anybody got English?
by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 2:15:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:15:08 AM" ) )8:15 PM yesterday
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Radnet seems to just record geiger clicks? Is there any source that documents cesium 137 for various areas so they have a clue how much they are getting over time?
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:15:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:15:06 AM" ) )8:15 PM yesterday
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whispering so I don't interrupt: @Karen Warren - Tenzing is a she just so you know.
by Tenzing at 3/30/2011 2:14:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:14:49 AM" ) )8:14 PM yesterday
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@Optim Increasing I think (Help)... I thought was "only" like 1,500x
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:14:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:14:21 AM" ) )8:14 PM yesterday
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@yuri: thanks - that blog post was very insightful.
by elise at 3/30/2011 2:14:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:14:15 AM" ) )8:14 PM yesterday
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@Nancy Sorry Nancy, I'm not sure I understand the question well, please explain? Thanks
by Gordon at 3/30/2011 2:14:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:14:08 AM" ) )8:14 PM yesterday
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@Pat Yeah I saw those. But I mean a ballpark accumulative total from allsources. Yeah prob impossible to collate.
by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 2:13:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:13:54 AM" ) )8:13 PM yesterday
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@Apollo: Watch for analysts bearing notes...
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 2:13:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:13:53 AM" ) )8:13 PM yesterday
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@ Meretisa Excellent Berkeley link. Did anyone else know that the EPA was only testing for I-131 ?
by KT39 at 3/30/2011 2:13:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:13:37 AM" ) )8:13 PM yesterday
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NEWS ADVISORY: Radioactive iodine 3,355 times legal limit found in seawater near plant (kyodo) number increasing or decreasin?
by Optim at 3/30/2011 2:13:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:13:32 AM" ) )8:13 PM yesterday
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A recap about the amounts of fuel at Fukushima, from comments on a Guardian story
www.guardian.co.uk Science Insider noted yesterday:
The Daiichi complex in Fukushima, Japan … had a total of 1760 metric tons of fresh and used nuclear fuel on site last year, according to a presentation by its owners, the Tokyo Electric Power Company (Tepco). The most damaged Daiichi reactor, number 3, contains about 90 tons of fuel, and the storage pool above reactor 4, which the Nuclear Regulatory Commission’s (NRC’s) Gregory Jaczko reported yesterday had lost its cooling water, contains 135 tons of spent fuel. The amount of fuel lost in the core melt at Three Mile Island in 1979 was about 30 tons; the Chernobyl reactors had about 180 tons when the accident occurred in 1986.
That means that Fukushima has nearly 10 times more nuclear fuel than Chernobyl.
It also means that a single spent fuel pool – at reactor 4, which has lost all of its water and thus faces a release of its radioactive material - has 75% as much nuclear fuel as at all of Chernobyl.
However, the real numbers are even worse.
Specifically, Tepco very recently transferred many more radioactive spent fuel rods into the storage pools. According to Associated Press, there were – at the time of the earthquake and tsunami – 3,400 tons of fuel in seven spent fuel pools plus 877 tons of active fuel in the cores of the reactors.
That totals 4,277 tons of nuclear fuel at Fukushima.
by ariadne at 3/30/2011 2:13:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:13:28 AM" ) )8:13 PM yesterday
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@Gordon Is that a recent update? If so, they have seriously upped their estimates.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 2:13:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:13:08 AM" ) )8:13 PM yesterday
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@Pat that link should go on fukushimawiki site. nice!
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 2:13:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:13:05 AM" ) )8:13 PM yesterday
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@Jim Carver See ZAMG site.
by Gordon at 3/30/2011 2:12:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:12:20 AM" ) )8:12 PM yesterday
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@Gordon, so how does one find out what the cesium 137 readings or ***ulative buildup is for an area?
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:12:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:12:15 AM" ) )8:12 PM yesterday
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Pat via
Fleep at 3/30/2011 2:12:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:12:00 AM" ) )8:12 PM yesterday
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@all Does anybody have ANY sense of the total radiation released thus far?
by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 2:11:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:11:08 AM" ) )8:11 PM yesterday
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@Bobby1 EXACTLY... how about we assign people to look for info. I know that some of the local stuff was giving bq amounts.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:10:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:10:57 AM" ) )8:10 PM yesterday
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ZAMG site "Because of the numerous incoming data of the CTBTO stations in Japan, California, Alaska and Russia, it was the ZAMG possible source strengths of the substances iodine-131 and cesium-137 to assess for the first days of the accident. These estimates are uncertainties, just so only on the order of magnitude. According to our estimates, we are moving on from iodine-131 emissions in the order of 10 17 Bq per day out of, as well as cesium-137 releases between 15 and 5 5 10 10 16 Bq per day. Extrapolated to the duration of the accident are obtained for these fleeting isotopes sums that are comparable to the nuclear catastrophe at Chernobyl." .... Maybe my guess was not that far wrong?
by Gordon at 3/30/2011 2:10:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:10:38 AM" ) )8:10 PM yesterday
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@borrrden @Jojo The LNT model is used because of lack of conclusive data to disprove it. Although it becomes unreliable at certain levels it is still the model that predicts the highest risks involving radiation exposure, which means, it is the safest model to use. It doesn't mean it is the most accurate. Funny as it may seem, Japanese authorities are far more conservative than international authorities. The usual limit of exposure under nuclear crisis is 100mSv in Japan (it has been temporarily updated to 250mSv to allow the Fukushima 50 to work under the extreme circumstances present in the nuclear plant) whereas international limit is 5 times higher, 500mSv. The reliability of the LNT model is highly contested around the world by scientists, but since there is still no evidence it may be wrong (because statistical data analysis is unreliable for long term, low dose exposure) it is still the safest one to use. There is no wrong or right here. Only different context.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 2:10:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:10:07 AM" ) )8:10 PM yesterday
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@James Ward: Ask Tensing... he's the one with the FINAL ANSWER. :-)
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 2:09:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:09:44 AM" ) )8:09 PM yesterday
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? @Jennifer. Wow. Media has been saying seawater rates going down. That is the highest I remember.
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:09:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:09:43 AM" ) )8:09 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa The problem is we know MUCH less about the fallout, than we do about the technical conditions of the reactors.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 2:09:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:09:08 AM" ) )8:09 PM yesterday
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Radioactive Iodine 3,355 times legal limit found in seawater near plant (11:04) Kyodo News
by JenniferP at 3/30/2011 2:08:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:08:55 AM" ) )8:08 PM yesterday
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@KT39, as dean pointed out, they also use it to irradiate prostate cancer.
by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 2:08:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:08:48 AM" ) )8:08 PM yesterday
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@Brad - are you from the Cache le Poudre area?
by Miles at 3/30/2011 2:08:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:08:47 AM" ) )8:08 PM yesterday
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@Tenzing I personally (OPINION) believe that THAT is what some of the G7 and UN meetings have been about.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:07:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:07:52 AM" ) )8:07 PM yesterday
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by Pat at 3/30/2011 2:07:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:07:44 AM" ) )8:07 PM yesterday
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@Tenzing, the related technologies that would get pushed would add to that too. Low power useage equipment, alternative energy etc.
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:07:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:07:40 AM" ) )8:07 PM yesterday
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@Bobby1 EXACTLY. What I found on that woweather site was alarming at best. It seems that the cesium rain has already hit most of US. I'm just waiting for it to build up... this IS ongoing afterall... This could have HUGE ramifications. Let's explore options in how to clean up small decontaminations like the US and others and then we can extrapolate out to include Japan. I think that with the deposition of cesium globally now we need to look to the longer-term effects and answers.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:07:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:07:17 AM" ) )8:07 PM yesterday
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@Marie @Karen: Look for continued volatility (. . .) with GE
by Apollo at 3/30/2011 2:06:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:06:36 AM" ) )8:06 PM yesterday
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@George Gibb: IDEA - The current global economic slump might be turned around if there was a global consensus to decommission each and every Nuclear Power Plant on Earth. Think of the impact on the construction industry alone. Just a thought thanks for listening :) blog.mlive.com This concept might work rather well in Japan considering the engineering wonders of the Kansai Airport cellar.org
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Tenzing via
Cellar.org at 3/30/2011 2:05:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:05:25 AM" ) )8:05 PM yesterday
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@George Gibb: IDEA - The current global economic slump might be turned around if there was a global consensus to decommission each and every Nuclear Power Plant on Earth. Think of the impact on the construction industry alone. Just a thought thanks for listening :) blog.mlive.com This concept might work rather well in Japan considering the engineering wonders of the Kansai Airport cellar.org
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Tenzing via
Blog.mlive at 3/30/2011 2:05:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:05:25 AM" ) )8:05 PM yesterday
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@Meretisa If the American midwest is contaminated, it would shut off US exports of grain, and affect the globe.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 2:04:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:04:58 AM" ) )8:04 PM yesterday
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Looks a little toppy, but the bollinger bands say it might still have a bit of run left, JMHO
finance.yahoo.com by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 2:04:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:04:50 AM" ) )8:04 PM yesterday
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@borrrden OK, I'll take that. Now, if the EPA wanted to, they could extrapolate it to the Chinese by factor in heights, weights, diet, age, etc. :)
by Jojo at 3/30/2011 2:04:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:04:48 AM" ) )8:04 PM yesterday
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@Nancy I don't think wise move short energy companies right now. They seem to have all the cards.
by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 2:04:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:04:43 AM" ) )8:04 PM yesterday
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by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 2:04:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:04:04 AM" ) )8:04 PM yesterday
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@Brad THANKS
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:03:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:03:37 AM" ) )8:03 PM yesterday
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@Bobby1 Agree. What is the thought on food there? What about globally? Could this go on long enough to truly harm/endanger global food market??
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:03:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:03:32 AM" ) )8:03 PM yesterday
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by Brad at 3/30/2011 2:03:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:03:25 AM" ) )8:03 PM yesterday
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@Karen Warren I'm late to the discussion but is this the footage you saw involving a radiation burn on a bicep? I was not able to find a date for the video
www.youtube.comby James Ward at 3/30/2011 2:03:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:03:02 AM" ) )8:03 PM yesterday
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@Nancy They are HUGE.... I don't know if this will be enough to tumble the company- it will surely make them come out with "new" energy quick though.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:02:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:02:55 AM" ) )8:02 PM yesterday
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@Gordon It is possible that a year from now, we'll be talking about starvation rather than radiation per se. That's what I am trying to assess.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 2:02:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:02:48 AM" ) )8:02 PM yesterday
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@All... we are cutting edge info here. Let's stay on task and try to do stuff that is meaningful. I'm so proud of us all. We are making (and documenting) history here.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 2:01:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:01:58 AM" ) )8:01 PM yesterday
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Hmm betting against power companies. What about GE stock? They are in more than a little hot water these days between the reactor flaws and not paying any US taxes.
by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:01:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:01:54 AM" ) )8:01 PM yesterday
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Aww man, i just saw maybe a tweet, don't know if it's real expressing "sorry world, ashamed of my country" I just want to say no one is Japan should feel ashamed because of what has happened. We are just rightfully concerned and we are just trying to help by watching and being observant and not turning our backs on you in this crisis.
by Pat at 3/30/2011 2:01:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:01:42 AM" ) )8:01 PM yesterday
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@Karen Warren I LOVE that idea. will you share your findings?? Please??? LOL
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 2:00:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:00:40 AM" ) )8:00 PM yesterday
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@marie rich ha ha
by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 2:00:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:00:09 AM" ) )8:00 PM yesterday
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And yes I know that microwaves aren't the same as gamma- it's just an example.
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 1:59:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:59:45 AM" ) )7:59 PM yesterday
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@Jojo @Pedro Jesus Each of you is right on one point about the EPA report. Pedro is right in saying that it won't work on the Chinese population (the report says in the beginning that all of the numbers assume a population similar to that of the U.S. in so and so year) and Jojo is right that it is LNT, meaning that you could apply the numbers to as little as you want.
by borrrden at 3/30/2011 1:59:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:59:45 AM" ) )7:59 PM yesterday
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by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 1:59:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:59:31 AM" ) )7:59 PM yesterday
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@Apollo: We are too late to the game on TEPCO (visualizing a huge pile of $$$ left on the table). Perhaps, we should start researching...
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 1:59:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:59:29 AM" ) )7:59 PM yesterday
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@Bobby1 Thanks Bobby, I guess that shows one should not guess huh?
by Gordon at 3/30/2011 1:59:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:59:19 AM" ) )7:59 PM yesterday
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by Yuri at 3/30/2011 1:59:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:59:07 AM" ) )7:59 PM yesterday
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@Nancy If it's contained, the food wont get contaminent on it from alpha. Otherwise, it is not a living organism whose dna and cell structure can be changed by gamma rays. Think of it like a microwave oven. I think. flame away, others
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 1:58:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:58:25 AM" ) )7:58 PM yesterday
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@Nancy Yeah, it's carefully controlled. Nuetrons are an anomoly outside a reactor. There are some sources in the universe. But they have a short half-life, decay to proton and an electron.
by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 1:58:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:58:20 AM" ) )7:58 PM yesterday
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@Karen: Buying puts on power companies . . . perhaps this is a concept whose time has come . . .
by Apollo at 3/30/2011 1:57:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:57:45 AM" ) )7:57 PM yesterday
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@Bobby1 That makes sense. I believe that Berkley said the same about it hitting there mid-April. Good work
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 1:57:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:57:25 AM" ) )7:57 PM yesterday
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I'm curious as to the latest on Pu. Since, we believe that we are ahead-of-the-curve are the US statements made today minimizing risk purely political or does it have merit?
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 1:57:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:57:13 AM" ) )7:57 PM yesterday
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@Gordon ZAMG has been estimating 20-50% of Chernobyl a few days ago. Their models have validated to slightly underestimate iodine and cesium.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 1:57:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:57:03 AM" ) ) Tuesday, March 29 2011 7:57 PM
