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@es I did but the smoke was supposedly from an active power panel in the turbine building of a unit in cold shutdown. That doesn't apply to any reactor at Daiichi. I think it's a typo. CNN just said the same thing about ' a plant down the road'.
by LM at 3/30/2011 2:05:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:05:27 PM" ) ) Wednesday March 30 2011 8:05 AM
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by Markfm at 3/30/2011 2:05:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:05:08 PM" ) )8:05 AM
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@fitter I have tested this tip on internet explorer and it works . Hold down the Ctrl key whilst clicking a link and it will open in a new tab. I have also tried this with my chrome browser and it works with chrome too. Hope that helps.
by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 2:04:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:04:14 PM" ) )8:04 AM
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@tormy -- With www.epa.gov – a percentage of their monitors haven't been working and they're only testing for Iodine 131.
Berkeley is doing a fantastic job. You can find their California results here:
www.nuc.berkeley.edu
CEMP has some air results for Nevada:
cemp.dri.eduby KT39 at 3/30/2011 2:01:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:01:53 PM" ) )8:01 AM
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by es at 3/30/2011 2:00:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:00:13 PM" ) )8:00 AM
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by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 1:59:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:59:33 PM" ) )7:59 AM
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by Markfm at 3/30/2011 1:57:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:57:56 PM" ) )7:57 AM
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@all just some info... Smoke was at Fukushima Daini, which is in cold shutdown.
english.kyodonews.jpby LM at 3/30/2011 1:56:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:56:49 PM" ) )7:56 AM
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@All - Is there a site where you can check various states (US) for radiation readings/levels? I've seen people post about different levels nationwide so wasn't sure if there was a "go to" site.
by Stormy edited by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 1:56:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:56:17 PM" ) )7:56 AM
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@Vasra The round object visible in the first bib picture and the three small zooms to the right is the steel containment vessel. Most of the steam rising from the building comes from around that object. If you look at the thermal pictures, it is evident that the heat sources outside the spend fuel pool are at exactly the position this round structure is in. Compare the form of the object with the other two pictures, showing it once from above and once when a similar reactor in the US was in construction.
by Salvador at 3/30/2011 1:55:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:55:33 PM" ) )7:55 AM
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by KT39 at 3/30/2011 1:54:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:54:30 PM" ) )7:54 AM
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@fitter When you put the mouse cursor over a link, when you click the right mouse button you should see a list like in the picture at the bottom of:
fukushimafaq.wikispaces.com If not, maybe your mouse buttons are reversed, try just clicking the left button once over the link.
by Markfm at 3/30/2011 1:51:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:51:59 PM" ) )7:51 AM
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@highlander The worst case would probably be everything melts, escapes, and a Zircaloy fire starts somehow that wafts radioactive particles high into the air
by borrrden at 3/30/2011 1:49:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:49:57 PM" ) )7:49 AM
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Just watched the Arnie Gundersen video posted by vasra. He is one of the voices I recall from early on in this situation expressing major concern when other experts were saying things were retrievable. To me, it seems evident that the situation is FUBAR. By way of a quick check-in here, what is considered the worst case and best case scenarios assuming that they cannot cool the reactor cores/spent fuel ponds and that large amounts of radiation are leaking all over the place?
by highlander at 3/30/2011 1:47:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:47:15 PM" ) )7:47 AM
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by KT39 at 3/30/2011 1:45:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:45:33 PM" ) )7:45 AM
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@vasra ty
by KT39 at 3/30/2011 1:45:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:45:24 PM" ) )7:45 AM
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@KT39 Very good summary, read the post by KT39 below.
by vasra at 3/30/2011 1:42:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:42:01 PM" ) )7:42 AM
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@Salvador Can't make out anything out of the zoomed pics. What are you inferring yourself?
by vasra at 3/30/2011 1:40:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:40:59 PM" ) )7:40 AM
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@ vasra Recap of Arnie Gunderson's comments from link fairewinds.com (to the best of my ability and apologies for any errors):
---Plutonium is difficult to detect because it doesn't give off a gamma ray -- gives off alpha particle
---One micro-gram of plutonium can cause lethal cancer
---Believes plutonium is coming from fuel pool in Unit 4 because it's scattered on the land on site and mostly likely way to volatilize P is by fire or violent...reaction
---All 4 units will have plutonium because Uranium 238 absorbs a neutron and becomes plutonium
---Believes plutonium will be found in more than 5 areas outside
---Trenches outside of nuclear containment have enormous amounts of radioactive water
---Radioactivity in water is over 100 REM per hour (stand near it for 3 or 4 hours and you receive a lethal dose of radiation)
---Thinks this radioactive water is leaking into the ocean
---Core damage still minimized by TEPCO
---Three Mile Island reactor without water for 10-12 hours and ran for only 3 months before accident so very little decay heat;
---However, Fukushima reactor ran for 4 years and had enormous amount of decayed heat and was uncooled for many days. More decayed heat plus very little cooling means damage inside core 70-80%
which means radioactive slag at very least damaging seals...at worst gradually eating its way thru and meltdown possible
---saltwater + hot water = corrosion of vessels likely
---Large quantities are going to continue to leak in and out of containment and doesn't see how they're going to be stopped in the short term
by KT39 at 3/30/2011 1:33:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:33:22 PM" ) )7:33 AM
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30 March News links all added at
fukushimafaq.wikispaces.com and there's a link to the der Spiegel site on the Links page. Also put in a link to the 2 pm Major plant parameters (2 pm yesterday -- haven't seen any for the actual 30th)
by Markfm at 3/30/2011 1:31:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:31:42 PM" ) )7:31 AM
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by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 1:28:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:28:08 PM" ) )7:28 AM
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i.imgur.com Another graphic from me concerning No. 3 reactor. Thanks to @kat for making me take another look at those SPIEGEL drone pictures!
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Salvador via
I.imgur at 3/30/2011 1:24:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:24:48 PM" ) )7:24 AM
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@Jocelyn Mayer So the recent smoke was at Daiichi, not Daiini. The press notice is still confusing - was it the power panel at Unit 1 turbine building or Unit 2 turbine building?
by es at 3/30/2011 1:24:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:24:42 PM" ) )7:24 AM
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IAEA
www.iaea.org IAEA to Brief on Fukushima Nuclear Accident, 30 March 2011 - Updated
30 March 2011 | IAEA officials will hold a briefing today, Wednesday, 30 March, for journalists to discuss the nuclear emergency in Japan. Director General Yukiya Amano will make a statement and answer questions from reporters attending the press briefing.
The briefing will begin at 14:30 UTC/16:30 CET on Wednesday, 30 March 2011, in the Press Room of the M-Building, in the Vienna International Centre (VIC).
by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 1:18:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:18:46 PM" ) )7:18 AM
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Correction: name is Arnie Gundersen
by vasra at 3/30/2011 1:12:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:12:59 PM" ) )7:12 AM
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This is from yesterday, but I missed it, Arnie Gundersson, chief nuclear engineer at Fairewinds and an ex-general manager at TMI explains the situation at Fukushima based on the reactor damage and the plutonium samples found. Good stuff, imho :
www.fairewinds.comby vasra at 3/30/2011 1:11:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:11:20 PM" ) )7:11 AM
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by Jocelyn Mayer at 3/30/2011 1:10:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:10:41 PM" ) )7:10 AM
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JAIF:
by Jocelyn Mayer at 3/30/2011 1:10:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:10:38 PM" ) )7:10 AM
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Tepco update, saying fire was in Daiichi #2 turbine building
www.tepco.co.jp
JAIF status update too here
by Jocelyn Mayer at 3/30/2011 1:10:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:10:20 PM" ) )7:10 AM
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@Yuri Was on fox too
by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 1:09:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:09:26 PM" ) )7:09 AM
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@Yuri That is recycled ap story
by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 1:09:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:09:12 PM" ) )7:09 AM
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@Pat A few stories yesterday about the destruction of farmland. Very sad
by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 1:08:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:08:50 PM" ) )7:08 AM
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Sorry if this has been posted already. I didnt see it in the newsroundup:
www.guardian.co.uk Seems significant because a US nuclear officials says the fuel in #2 probably melted through the bottom of the containment vessel. The article doesnt suggest exactly what happens if this is true.
by Yuri at 3/30/2011 1:07:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:07:21 PM" ) )7:07 AM
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@George Gibb @vasra I thought that would break me. Knew about the news but hadn't read the original Japanese version. Organic farmer 30 years developing his soil, 10 years work on his seeds, feeding children at school,....you must be careful of what you do becsue the children will be eating it
by Pat at 3/30/2011 1:06:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:06:38 PM" ) )7:06 AM
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by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 1:06:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:06:11 PM" ) )7:06 AM
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by Markfm at 3/30/2011 1:05:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:05:49 PM" ) )7:05 AM
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@Matsuoko The USA Uses something called resin that is a neutron absorber. I am trying to find out more information and will report back on it when I do
by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 1:04:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:04:36 PM" ) )7:04 AM
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Le Monde/AFP: Short circuit at Onagawa nuclear power station. TEPCO informs temperature is under control and radioactivity low. Some 240 people have taken refuge at the station's premises. (March 30)
by Dom at 3/30/2011 1:03:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:03:08 PM" ) )7:03 AM
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NISA official announcement about the high level of radioactivity of Iodine in the seawater and how it is not harmful:
www.guardian.co.uk . I assume that they assume that the discharge will stop? Because if it doesn't stop for a very long time, then "harmless" is slightly relative, even with the very short half life of radioactive iodine they refer to.
by vasra at 3/30/2011 1:02:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:02:31 PM" ) )7:02 AM
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I let all comments go through - which has its drawbacks - but I feel its important for all to voice there opinion. I look at this as a human experiment recording the feelings and opinions of all people - it provides an accurate description of humanity better than textbooks i think.
by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 1:02:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:02:24 PM" ) )7:02 AM
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@fitter thank you fitter here is an excerpt from an email I sent to volunteer moderators
by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 1:02:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:02:03 PM" ) )7:02 AM
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by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 1:02:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 1:02:03 PM" ) )7:02 AM
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@George Gibb Great site you have created here... One of the things that makes it work so well is 1) it is international, as so many of us are ignorant to others cultures and laws... 2) it is not age driven... knowlege is gain by books, and age... they say if your not an Enstin by 8 years old you won't be because society shape the mind.. 3) younger people present ideals that older ones woopen 2 uld write off because of "having been in the system so long" this site has really been something unique..
by fitter edited by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 12:57:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:57:33 PM" ) )6:57 AM
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@James Ward I expect a crisis inEldercare, saw a 2009 in article saying they had 400,000 people on waiting list for special govt housing for elders
by Pat at 3/30/2011 12:56:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:56:47 PM" ) )6:56 AM
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@vasra I farm a few acres myself so that story hit me hard to.
by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 12:56:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:56:18 PM" ) )6:56 AM
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by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 12:55:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:55:12 PM" ) )6:55 AM
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@fitter lol like the survey. I'm going to copy the comment over to the 2nd live event we started last night as we are organizing research etc. on that event to keep this blog more focused. You can join the other event by opening a 2nd browser screen and follow
by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 12:55:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:55:06 PM" ) )6:55 AM
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@NHK Listener : no. resin is, again, not very clear. there are several materials called resin, e.g. Polyurethane, which is used in window or door cunstruction.
by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 12:54:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:54:54 PM" ) )6:54 AM
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Whoa, aftershock
by NiteSpawn at 3/30/2011 12:53:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:53:09 PM" ) )6:53 AM
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Any thoughts on if the "resin" is actually a boron water mix?
by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 12:51:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:51:05 PM" ) )6:51 AM
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@george gibb good moring.. think im losing my computor... so i need to prioitise...(where is spell check) I am working on finding a reliable source for the #3 explosion, even if I have to make a "donation" to the University... due to 9/11 the nature of their business, and Experts "do not want to put a name to an answer with out all the "back up... its harder than i would have though... most all thier web site you have to be a member, so you can't follow and listen.. I need to work with "just a few to gather the data" if i can get someone to look at it. I am not a computor geek, and do not do photo media well ... could you please suggest several people here that i can look to to compile the data and photo work what we need ... if the group is still interested... off subject... if you want to do a group age survey... one of the first questions should be "who has USED a rotory dial phone and knows what a "party line" is?
by fitter at 3/30/2011 12:49:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:49:50 PM" ) )6:49 AM
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@Matsuoko, given that most reactors in Japan are of the type compromised at Fukushima, I am not surprised. By the way, I saw that there are reactors like these up and running in the U.S. In set is located in Wash. state. Is not that where Mt. St. Helens is? Hello good citizens of Wash., time to call your senators and demand a moratorium!
by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 12:48:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:48:42 PM" ) )6:48 AM
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Sad news from yestereday from Asahi: Family believes that organic cabbage grower kills himself over catastrophe of Fukushima NPP over local growing livelihood.
www.asahi.comby vasra at 3/30/2011 12:48:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:48:28 PM" ) )6:48 AM
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That iodine rise though should be a significant concern. I thought they were asserting that #2 wasn't being worked yet, only #1 water being removed -- either #1 water is actually pretty hot and they decided to just dump into the ocean or there's a significant new leak to the sea from somewhere.
by Markfm at 3/30/2011 12:47:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:47:39 PM" ) )6:47 AM
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[Jo l'indien back (but still at work...)] Spraying resin can seem to be a good idea as it prevent dust from going out. But it also would also prevent from spraying water on the spent fuel pools, so I guess this cannot be done on the reactor buildings but only on radioactive debris all around the place.
by Jocelyn Mayer at 3/30/2011 12:46:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:46:22 PM" ) )6:46 AM
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@Matsuoko IF we can trust that all Daini units are in cold shutdown, the risk there, even in worst case, would hopefully be much lower. I know it sounds odd to write this, but things seem to be stabilizing and if not for the rising temp in #1 and leakages in #2 & #3 of Daichi, I'd probably already be following other news.
by vasra at 3/30/2011 12:45:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:45:17 PM" ) )6:45 AM
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@Peter Melzer : i would not take the tent idea too serious. they are just entertaining the public.
by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 12:45:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:45:02 PM" ) )6:45 AM
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NHK power shortage/rolling blackouts will affect Nuclear power plants so I hope they do have all their back up going for all the plants, and their back up back up etc
by Pat at 3/30/2011 12:44:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:44:09 PM" ) )6:44 AM
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@ALL, checking out from the board for some shuteye... Thanks for the great participation and keep on truckin. Good night from GMT+8.
by alblee at 3/30/2011 12:43:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:43:47 PM" ) )6:43 AM
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vasra via
Truebluenz.files.wordpress at 3/30/2011 12:43:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:43:26 PM" ) )6:43 AM
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i really don't like the news about radioactive water from #5 and 6 and the fire in daini. they might be hiding something. you have to consider that the tsunami might have affected much more systems than believed. there maybe more failures than revealed and even more to come. salty water ruins everything sooner or later.
by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 12:43:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:43:22 PM" ) )6:43 AM
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I find the pictures on the Spiegel site very informative.
by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 12:42:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:42:14 PM" ) )6:42 AM
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@markfm: TEPCO probably spoke into the answering machine
by ifz at 3/30/2011 12:41:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:41:24 PM" ) )6:41 AM
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The tent is "intriguing". I guess it means there mustn't be much, if any, more hydrogen, else doesn't a tent that is at least more-or-less air impermeable provide a huge risk of explosion?
by Markfm at 3/30/2011 12:40:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:40:34 PM" ) )6:40 AM
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@fitter I'm here fitter
by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 12:39:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:39:44 PM" ) )6:39 AM
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Anyone with thoughts on the source of the 3355x limit iodine in the water? It was at 1800, seemed to drop yesterday, but a massive uptick. I wonder where it came from.
by Markfm at 3/30/2011 12:39:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:39:26 PM" ) )6:39 AM
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If for anythings, this tent idea may help keep the dust down. I cannot see how they can install those before they remove the big chunks of debris, though. Unfortunately, once those tents are up, we cannot see anymore what is going on inside.
by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 12:39:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:39:05 PM" ) )6:39 AM
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I wonder about the call to the local fire department at Daini. That's in the 20km mandatory evac zone -- how much civil infrastructure is being maintained there?
by Markfm at 3/30/2011 12:38:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:38:18 PM" ) )6:38 AM
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It seems this Japan disaster blog has been dominated by the nuclear crisis, rightfully so, but I am surprised I have not heard much about the third major country to lose a great percentage of their grain production(India and Pakistan). I am afraid that in the next few years food prices and starvation will be a much bigger worldwide problem. I can not even begin to think of the effects if contamination manages to ruin any great amount of foreign (non-Japanese) food stocks like some of you have brought up.
by Jeff at 3/30/2011 12:37:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:37:42 PM" ) )6:37 AM
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@all does anyone know what time US EST time Georgre/dean might be on
by fitter at 3/30/2011 12:36:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:36:45 PM" ) )6:36 AM
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by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 12:36:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:36:29 PM" ) )6:36 AM
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I like this new idea of spraying the resin. It will help avoid the problems you'd have with a fabric 'tent'.
by Miles at 3/30/2011 12:36:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:36:27 PM" ) )6:36 AM
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fukushimafaq.wikispaces.com Updated to pick up 30 March (29 moved to Archive) Links at the FAQ includes a link to brad's site with maps/photos/video
by Markfm at 3/30/2011 12:35:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:35:11 PM" ) )6:35 AM
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@Miles That's cruel. Not trying to excuse for him, but he was the one who actually improved the security culture at Tepco (since the previous CEO). Not that it matters that much now.
by vasra at 3/30/2011 12:35:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:35:07 PM" ) )6:35 AM
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@elainekirk Smoke was seen today at Fukushima Daiini, but TEPCO says no problems, nothing left to see, move along folks. Where have I heard that before? Hmmm.
by James Ward at 3/30/2011 12:35:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:35:00 PM" ) )6:35 AM
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www.reuters.com French have landed...hopefully to ease US/Japan communication problems (20k vs 50 k evac, "stablizing" vs not stable, etc, etc)
by Pat at 3/30/2011 12:34:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:34:38 PM" ) )6:34 AM
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@elainekirk email update for you ;)
by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 12:34:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:34:18 PM" ) )6:34 AM
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His wife has hidden the tanto, forcing him to leave the country. ;-)
by Miles at 3/30/2011 12:33:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:33:50 PM" ) )6:33 AM
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@george gibb @dean having a computor crash i think so need to short cut here... are you ON... Can' send e-mails at the moment
by fitter at 3/30/2011 12:33:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:33:32 PM" ) )6:33 AM
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@vasra : he has not been seen in his luxury appartment in tokyo either.
by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 12:32:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:32:10 PM" ) )6:32 AM
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@vasra : yes, there seems to be no evidence that he is really in hospital.
by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 12:31:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:31:13 PM" ) )6:31 AM
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Kyodo: #Japan plans to spray water-soluble resin over debris at Fukushima-1 to prevent spread of radiation leaks. Officials: Unmanned, remote-controlled vehicle will spray the resin beginning Thursday "on a trial basis."
by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 12:30:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:30:22 PM" ) )6:30 AM
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@Matsuoko About the discharge water radioactivity :
www.gmanews.tv . "Seawater samples were also collected daily at a location 30 m from the common discharge point for Units 5 and 6.
These results also show an increase in the radionuclide concentrations on March 26. The seawater samples collected on March 27 show as well a decrease of the radionuclide concentration." So, it may have been rehash of older news? I didn't catch the whole NHK newscast.
by vasra at 3/30/2011 12:30:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:30:18 PM" ) )6:30 AM
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@Matsuoko Re: TEPCO Chief. According to official reports, he has vertigo and whatnot and was hospitalized? Is this new info you are linking contradicting the hospital news?
by vasra at 3/30/2011 12:29:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:29:05 PM" ) )6:29 AM
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speculations that tepco chief might be dead or fleeing. has not been seen since march 13.
translate.google.deby Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 12:26:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:26:49 PM" ) )6:26 AM
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@Matsuoko Sorry, was away. The information about the radioactive water in the discharge channel at the end of the #5 and #6 reactors was mentioned on the live broadcast of NHK today (30.3.):
www3.nhk.or.jp . If I find a text news article, I will link it. I'm sure it'll bound to be published soon.
by vasra at 3/30/2011 12:26:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:26:45 PM" ) )6:26 AM
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I don't believe that it was "water soluable resin" that the helo was spraying.
by NiteSpawn at 3/30/2011 12:22:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:22:46 PM" ) )6:22 AM
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@Kat It was me, yes. I've seen those pictures. The problem is that they are very good, but were taken from a great distance. So you can't really see detailed structures.
by Salvador at 3/30/2011 12:22:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:22:08 PM" ) )6:22 AM
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ifz via
Japanprobe at 3/30/2011 12:21:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:21:44 PM" ) )6:21 AM
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@Salvador Speaking of Chernobyl, here is a very interesting documentary that I have found.
video.google.comby NiteSpawn at 3/30/2011 12:21:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:21:35 PM" ) )6:21 AM
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"Gov't to spray resin over debris at Fukushima plant
TOKYO, March 30, Kyodo
The government plans to spray a water-soluble resin over debris at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant to prevent radiation leaks from spreading further, officials said Wednesday"
english.kyodonews.jp Wasn't that done in Chenobyl too?
by Salvador at 3/30/2011 12:16:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:16:54 PM" ) )6:16 AM
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Press Release (Mar 30,2011)
Plant Status of Fukushima Daini Nuclear Power Station (as of 3:00 pm March 30th)
[No update from the last release issued at 9:00 am, March 30th]
Unit Status
1 · Reactor cold shutdown, stable water level, offsite power is
available.
· No reactor coolant is leaked to the reactor containment vessel.
· Maintain average water temperature below 100°C in the Pressure
Suppression Chamber.
2 · Reactor cold shutdown, stable water level, offsite power is
available.
· No reactor coolant is leaked to the reactor containment vessel.
· Maintain average water temperature below 100°C in the Pressure
Suppression Chamber.
3 · Reactor cold shutdown, stable water level, offsite power is
available.
· No reactor coolant is leaked to the reactor containment vessel.
· Maintain average water temperature below 100°C in the Pressure
Suppression Chamber.
4 · Reactor cold shutdown, stable water level, offsite power is
available.
· No reactor coolant is leaked to the reactor containment vessel.
· Maintain average water temperature below 100°C in the Pressure
Suppression Chamber.
www.tepco.co.jpby elainekirk at 3/30/2011 12:15:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:15:08 PM" ) )6:15 AM
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Tokyo Electric to Build US Nuclear Plants
The no-BS info on Japan's disastrous nuclear operators
www.gregpalast.comby ifz at 3/30/2011 12:12:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:12:41 PM" ) )6:12 AM
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LINK: Good source for past and present jet stream patterns:
squall.sfsu.eduby KT39 at 3/30/2011 12:12:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:12:13 PM" ) )6:12 AM
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by ifz at 3/30/2011 12:01:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 12:01:59 PM" ) )6:01 AM
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well Tepco it seems the gov have responded to your 'lets keep #5 #6 and Daini open' idea -- All Fukushima-1 reactors to be scrapped – Japanese government---
rt.comby elainekirk at 3/30/2011 11:57:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:57:26 AM" ) )5:57 AM
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@all: got to go (still Jo l'indien loging from work...), will come back and try to follow the thread. sy
by Jocelyn Mayer at 3/30/2011 11:57:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:57:22 AM" ) )5:57 AM
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Hi all, I started reading the live-blog at Reuters.com, now moved here - although I am a quite one, I find this feed a great, unbiased source of information. Keep up the good work!
by Bart (Poland) at 3/30/2011 11:57:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:57:08 AM" ) )5:57 AM
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@All Morning (for me)
by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 11:56:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:56:53 AM" ) )5:56 AM
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@Matsuoko: on #6 pic, there seem to be a concrete bloc on the floor below this hole
by Jocelyn Mayer at 3/30/2011 11:54:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:54:40 AM" ) )5:54 AM
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@Kat - astonishing pics. Note venting duct from reactor #3 in pics 2, 4 &6 - wonder when that broke?
by hudebnik at 3/30/2011 11:54:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:54:09 AM" ) )5:54 AM
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@ all, I have to run, have a good day/night x
by Kat at 3/30/2011 11:50:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:50:29 AM" ) )5:50 AM
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@kat great pictures
by fitter at 3/30/2011 11:48:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:48:46 AM" ) )5:48 AM
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@elainekirk : picture no 2 there is a big hole in turbine roof. i wonder what went down there ...
by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 11:46:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:46:20 AM" ) )5:46 AM
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@ Paul, thank you
by Kat at 3/30/2011 11:45:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:45:30 AM" ) )5:45 AM
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so is there a cloth that is heat resistant and traps radiation???? @KT39 I think you have a very valid question!
by Angie at 3/30/2011 11:43:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:43:21 AM" ) )5:43 AM
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by Paul (UK) at 3/30/2011 11:42:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:42:12 AM" ) )5:42 AM
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by
Matsuoko via
Farm6.static.flickr at 3/30/2011 11:40:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:40:03 AM" ) )5:40 AM
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@elainekirk @Kat: great pics, #4 is really interresting to figure out how #3 reactor has collapsed. I note we can see the top of the spent fuel pool, with some water inside (greenish...)
by Jocelyn Mayer at 3/30/2011 11:39:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:39:52 AM" ) )5:39 AM
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Maybe a dumb question, but if they cover the Fukushima plants with a cloth so that no radiation can get out then how can workers work within the entrapped radiation?
by KT39 at 3/30/2011 11:39:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:39:21 AM" ) )5:39 AM
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@ Matsuoko, thanks found it =)
by Kat at 3/30/2011 11:38:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:38:43 AM" ) )5:38 AM
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@Kat : for the cloth ? there is a picture further down here.
by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 11:37:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:37:10 AM" ) )5:37 AM
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@ Paul, could you share the link, sounds interesting and I somehow can't find it going back
by Kat at 3/30/2011 11:36:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:36:55 AM" ) )5:36 AM
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@Matsuoko, Do you have a source?
by Kat at 3/30/2011 11:36:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:36:12 AM" ) )5:36 AM
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@elainekirk Bookmarked! :)
by Paul (UK) at 3/30/2011 11:35:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:35:55 AM" ) )5:35 AM
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Personally I get a giggle every day out of something Tepco says! The sad thing is, is that they think people are still taking them seriously.
by Angie at 3/30/2011 11:35:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:35:11 AM" ) )5:35 AM
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something is happening at daini, makes me nervous a bit.
by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 11:35:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:35:01 AM" ) )5:35 AM
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@elainekirk will look at it.
by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 11:34:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:34:11 AM" ) )5:34 AM
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@matsuoko have you seen Kats link, pinned above, views of #3 different angle very good quality 19 pics in all
by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 11:33:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:33:23 AM" ) )5:33 AM
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Table cloths? oO
by Kat at 3/30/2011 11:33:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:33:15 AM" ) )5:33 AM
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@oli333 : this must be the day of jokes for tepco. they eventually want to shut down #1 - 4, they want to pump the soup into a ship - they want to cover the plants with table cloths.
by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 11:32:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:32:08 AM" ) )5:32 AM
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@paul uk can you keep the link please I keep forgetting to ,and keep an eye on it, they update regularly
by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 11:31:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:31:06 AM" ) )5:31 AM
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ah, thanks elaine :)
by Kat at 3/30/2011 11:30:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:30:12 AM" ) )5:30 AM
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@kat I have pinned your link hopefully these pics will be very useful
by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 11:29:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:29:19 AM" ) )5:29 AM
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@Hank Scorpio : yep and i liked the huuuuuge terrain to stroll around.
by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 11:27:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:27:37 AM" ) )5:27 AM
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@Matsuoko - Yes, all games are pointless. I only liked Fallout 3 because it was entertaining with a lot of depth and good gameplay. Most games fall far short.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 11:26:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:26:44 AM" ) )5:26 AM
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no, heather nova was not her name, sorry. i mean the girl with the survival book.
by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 11:25:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:25:09 AM" ) )5:25 AM
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@elainekirk Great link thanks. All the radiation data at a glance in charts. That spike everywhere on the 15th March looks ominous! =8O
by Paul (UK) at 3/30/2011 11:25:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:25:01 AM" ) )5:25 AM
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Nhk- The Tokyo Electric Power Company chairman has apologized for trouble and anxiety caused by radiation leaks from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, and said its No.1 through 4 reactors will eventually have to be shut down for good.
by oli333 at 3/30/2011 11:24:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:24:29 AM" ) )5:24 AM
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@Hank Scorpio : well, all the games are pointless in a way, no ? but i really liked the characters like heather nova. very amusing. i did not blow up this town.
by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 11:24:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:24:16 AM" ) )5:24 AM
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by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 11:24:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:24:06 AM" ) )5:24 AM
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@James Ward : i am not at all optimistic for japan. they will have to spend lots of money in all these catastrophes for decades .... it will beam them back to the 70s or 80s .... but for global economy i see no serious impacts.
by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 11:22:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:22:41 AM" ) )5:22 AM
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@Matsuoko - #3 was great. I found all the locations (ALL) and did pretty much every side mission. Then I realized how utterly pointless it had all been.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 11:21:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:21:36 AM" ) )5:21 AM
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@James Ward You will get favorable loans from the state! Heh
by oli333 at 3/30/2011 11:20:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:20:59 AM" ) )5:20 AM
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@Matsuoko With probably 30,000 dead, and hundreds of thousands forced to start over after losing everything, who is going to buy the replacements for all of the cars lost in the quake/tsunami? How is Japan going to replace the farming areas that may never recover from being overrun by the tsunami and irradiated by the destroyed Fukushima reactors? Finally, where are they going to get the money to replace all that has been lost since the 9.0 quake? While I applaud your hopes and dreams for a recovering Japan, I don't think they're any more realistic than the tanker idea being discussed.
by James Ward at 3/30/2011 11:17:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:17:24 AM" ) )5:17 AM
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@Hank Scorpio : i bought new vegas but did not play it yet. i am afraid it will disappoint. i liked #3 very much.
by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 11:17:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:17:24 AM" ) )5:17 AM
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@Matsuoko: (Jo l'indien, but at work need to use some other login): cloth seems pure fantasy, tanker is realistic: a small tanker can use the plant harbor; it would not be the first time in history that nuclear waste is sank under sea... You can read as an example the radioactive pollution chapter here:
en.wikipedia.orgby Jocelyn Mayer at 3/30/2011 11:17:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:17:19 AM" ) )5:17 AM
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So, Daini has quieted down? Thanks. This one is nearer to Kanagawa-Tokyo enclaves.
by alblee at 3/30/2011 11:16:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:16:42 AM" ) )5:16 AM
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On-topic - The Japanese and US economies are very strongly linked, and to an extent tri-linked with China. The US economy has a very strong impact on the rest of the world (that will change in about 5-10 years as we become relatively irrelevant). It's not as simple as you make it out to be. Off-topic: Haven't played New Vegas. Didn't even bother with any add-ons for #3 because it pissed me off they essentially split the game in half and then charged more for the rest of it. I think I've grown tired of opening boxes for loot.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 11:14:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:14:39 AM" ) )5:14 AM
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Just looked at the plant webcam the glow is faint but it is still there
by standbybarry at 3/30/2011 11:14:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:14:04 AM" ) )5:14 AM
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@Matsuoko.......Yes I dont think I will beleive it till I see it starting or done......I think its like the chopper with the water, they have to look like they are doing something!
by Angie at 3/30/2011 11:12:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:12:26 AM" ) )5:12 AM
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@Hank Scorpio : there is a problem for Japanese economy, but good for global economy. offtopic: do you like new vegas ?
by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 11:10:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:10:57 AM" ) )5:10 AM
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That's just one part. You have to consider the very strong impact that the delays on production will have. There are lost sales here that can never be recovered and matter very strongly in the short term.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 11:09:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:09:10 AM" ) )5:09 AM
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by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 11:08:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:08:17 AM" ) )5:08 AM
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@Matsuoko - That's the broken window fallacy. The buildings, roads and vehicles which have been destroyed represent a destruction of wealth. That wealth will have to be replaced via other wealth. The money to pay for that reconstruction doesn't come from thin air.
www.google.comby Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 11:07:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:07:57 AM" ) )5:07 AM
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@Angie : seen the picture. pure fantasie, impossible i say. ship and cloth .... this is childish. i do not take it for serious.
by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 11:06:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:06:32 AM" ) )5:06 AM
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No tanker will arrive along the coast, he will use a long hose to pull water into the tanker. He will be 100 to 200 m from the coast.
by oli333 at 3/30/2011 11:03:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:03:00 AM" ) )5:03 AM
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@Hank Scorpio : i do not agree. there will be no great impact, maybe on the contrary. have you seen all the ruined cars in the tsunami ? i think they lost more cars than lives. they need to replace all these cars ..... they have to rebuild so much .... lots of money to earn there. sorry, i do not want to seem sarcastical but that's the way economy works.
by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 11:02:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:02:57 AM" ) )5:02 AM
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@Matsuoko I think its a ship??? There is a picture down further.......
by Angie at 3/30/2011 10:59:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:59:23 AM" ) )4:59 AM
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There is Graphing Earthquake, Radiation and Water Data in Japan at this link
fleep.comby elainekirk at 3/30/2011 10:58:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:58:00 AM" ) )4:58 AM
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@oli333 : my opinion: it is not possible to drive a tanker to fukushima.
by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 10:56:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:56:51 AM" ) )4:56 AM
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@Hank Scorpio Agree.
by es at 3/30/2011 10:55:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:55:15 AM" ) )4:55 AM
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@alblee @George Gibb Seems no amount of injecting could prevent fissioning here... Terribly sad.
by es at 3/30/2011 10:55:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:55:10 AM" ) )4:55 AM
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and the radiation in #5 and #6 ? please a link !
by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 10:53:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:53:18 AM" ) )4:53 AM
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I think a lot of people are vastly underestimating the effect this disaster is going to have on the world economy. The impact on vehicle production will not be limited to the Japanese manufacturers because almost every single manufacturer uses Japanese parts to one degree or another. This might be the straw that breaks the camel's back of the so-called economic recovery. I'd pay attention to the coming G20 meeting in China. I expect China to maneuver for a so-called breadbasket currency as the global standard and the removal of the US dollar from that role.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 10:52:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:52:50 AM" ) )4:52 AM
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Here's how it will be: they will buy an old tanker from the Chinese and will fill it with radioactive water and then cover the reactor with a special (special?)cover, a tanker will sink in the middle of the ocean. It is the job
by oli333 at 3/30/2011 10:52:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:52:38 AM" ) )4:52 AM
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Sorry, about 1 hour, I made a mistake >_<
by borrrden at 3/30/2011 10:51:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:51:10 AM" ) )4:51 AM
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You guys still up?
by caraBnr at 3/30/2011 10:51:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:51:01 AM" ) )4:51 AM
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@Matsuoko
www3.nhk.or.jp (Japanese article saying there was smoke for two hours, ending about 20 minutes ago)
by borrrden at 3/30/2011 10:50:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:50:39 AM" ) )4:50 AM
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by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 10:49:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:49:33 AM" ) )4:49 AM
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What i hear ? smoke over daini ? anyone a link with more information ?
by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 10:48:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:48:24 AM" ) )4:48 AM
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little bit = always so begins
by oli333 at 3/30/2011 10:41:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:41:24 AM" ) )4:41 AM
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little bit smoke at fukushima II .. nothing special
by ifz at 3/30/2011 10:40:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:40:03 AM" ) )4:40 AM
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nothing much, #2-#3 leaking steam, #1 temp rising, #5-#6 area discharing oddly high radioactivity to sea (cause unknown). Tepco boss hospitalized for stress. A bit of word clashing about whether to scrap all 6 reactors (gov stance) or only #1-#4 (tepco stance). A "stabilizing crisis" is the expression of the day, again.
by vasra at 3/30/2011 10:39:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:39:07 AM" ) )4:39 AM
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@oli333 - Someone set us up the bomb.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 10:38:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:38:59 AM" ) )4:38 AM
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What going on?
by oli333 at 3/30/2011 10:37:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:37:29 AM" ) )4:37 AM
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Correction to the above:
- Highest measured water radioactivity release for northern discharge channel from #5-#6 so far (measure for this discharge water). Cause/source unknown. Tepco trying to find out
by vasra at 3/30/2011 10:31:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:31:56 AM" ) )4:31 AM
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News round up for 30.3 10:30 UTC :
- #1 reactor temp rising, pressure stabilized, active steam not being release manually
- #2 reactor temp/pressure not chaing, even though water being pumped. Leakage suspected via broken PCV ventilation
- #3 as number #2
- Tepco webam still shows steam release from the NPP site
- Very high radioactive release in the water from the southern #1-4 discharge channel to the sea
- Highest measured water release for northern discharge channel from #5-#6 so far. Cause/source unknown. Tepco trying to find out
- Asahi reports workers getting really tired/stressed out. Many of them are "irreplaceable" due to skill/experience
- Minister of industry recommends scrapping all 6 reactors. Tepco says scrapping #1-#4 is enough
- NHK: #2 & #3 are very likely to be leaking radioactive steam. Reactors #1-#3 have partially or fully molten fuel rods that are escaping material into the PCV and thus, possibly via the steam
by vasra at 3/30/2011 10:31:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:31:01 AM" ) )4:31 AM
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Reuters Yesterday's scathing 6 page report on tepco ignorance and errors
www.reuters.comby Pat at 3/30/2011 10:28:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:28:06 AM" ) )4:28 AM
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News round up for 30.3 10:30 UTC :
- #1 reactor temp rising, pressure stabilized, active steam not being release manually
by vasra at 3/30/2011 10:27:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:27:05 AM" ) )4:27 AM
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Good Morning this is a Reuters story from 3hrs ago - I slept late - was an 'Instant Radiation Remover' invented whilst I slept ??? "TOKYO, March 30 (Reuters) - Tokyo Electric Power , the operator of Japan's crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear complex, said it will sound out the opinions of the government and local residents on whether to continue operating the plant's No. 5 and No. 6 reactors, as well as the companion Fukushima Daini plant.
Tokyo Electric Chairman Tsunehisa Katsumata had said the Daiichi plant's other four reactors, which have been emitting radiation after suffering damage from a devastating earthquake and tsunami, would be scrapped.
The Daiichi No. 5 and 6 reactors and the Daini plant have been safely shut down. (Reporting by Kiyoshi Takenaka; Editing by Edmund Klamann)
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af.reuters.comby elainekirk at 3/30/2011 10:25:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:25:58 AM" ) )4:25 AM
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RT @REUTERSFLASH: Smoke from Fukushima Daini no.1 reactor's turbine building has stopped - Kyodo
by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 10:18:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:18:01 AM" ) )4:18 AM
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by hudebnik at 3/30/2011 10:16:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:16:40 AM" ) )4:16 AM
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That was the other plant that had small issues straight after the quake right?? I wonder whats going on there now? Maybe the after shocks have had some effect?
by Angie at 3/30/2011 10:12:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:12:43 AM" ) )4:12 AM
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NEWS ADVISORY: Smoke temporarily seen at Fukushima DAINI (my caps) turbine building (19.00) - KYODO
by hudebnik at 3/30/2011 10:05:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:05:41 AM" ) )4:05 AM
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NEWS ADVISORY: Smoke temporarily seen at Fukushima Daini turbine building (19:00)
english.kyodonews.jpby ifz at 3/30/2011 10:04:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:04:31 AM" ) )4:04 AM
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Evacuees still at Onegawa nuclear power plant. Clean toilets, watch tv, feed kids, hman shields for tepco?
www.google.comby Pat at 3/30/2011 9:58:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:58:35 AM" ) )3:58 AM
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Can anyone point me to some clear NHK World heli-cam video footage from 19/20 March - I've seen this one:
www.youtube.com but would like some focus on what appears to be a fair amount of heavy black smoke at Unit 3.
by es at 3/30/2011 9:48:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:48:34 AM" ) )3:48 AM
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Still smoking like there is no tomorrow... eh... maybe there isn't one for Fukushima. Ugh.
by Salvador at 3/30/2011 9:28:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:28:37 AM" ) )3:28 AM
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@ALL, I'll be leaving the board in a few seconds. Be back in a couple of hours or so (maybe more). Stay cool, stay good, but keep injecting!
by alblee at 3/30/2011 9:26:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:26:22 AM" ) )3:26 AM
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ok just building
by fiona at 3/30/2011 9:25:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:25:22 AM" ) )3:25 AM
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@Fiona Sorry, not sure.
by Lisa at 3/30/2011 9:25:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:25:11 AM" ) )3:25 AM
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Mina via
Pointscope01.jp at 3/30/2011 9:23:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:23:55 AM" ) )3:23 AM
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@Lisa what is that at the base of the 2nd tower trying to find an older picture to compare
by fiona at 3/30/2011 9:23:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:23:51 AM" ) )3:23 AM
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This is the Tepco Webcam link I have. Hope this is the one you need.
www.tepco.co.jpby Lisa at 3/30/2011 9:22:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:22:01 AM" ) )3:22 AM
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Tepco webcam updated - don't know how to copy to here
by fiona at 3/30/2011 9:20:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:20:04 AM" ) )3:20 AM
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Did fitter ever get back to us with the results of his converstaion with his explosives friend regarding that huge Unit 3 blast? Just seen this,
www.technologyreview.com and the interesting comment by The Rad Rider.
by es at 3/30/2011 9:06:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:06:22 AM" ) )3:06 AM
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Between March 13th-15th the Japanese Scientists have observed Neutron Beam 13 times. Old news but worth a mention that they have Fission.
english.kyodonews.jpby Lisa at 3/30/2011 9:05:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:05:01 AM" ) )3:05 AM
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@borrrden kinda off topic but I pay £1.50/litre approx $2.40
by fiona at 3/30/2011 9:02:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:02:20 AM" ) )3:02 AM
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BREAKING NEWS: Edano suggests all reactors at Fukushima Daiichi plant must be scrapped
english.kyodonews.jp Really? Edano is such a brilliant man. He repeated what he said last week and it'S "breaking news" again. I'm impressed.
by Salvador at 3/30/2011 8:47:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:47:26 AM" ) )2:47 AM
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The price of gasoline in Japan has risen and is averaging nearly $7 US per gallon....or about $1.83 per liter for international folks.
www3.nhk.or.jp (Japanese)
by borrrden at 3/30/2011 8:42:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:42:45 AM" ) )2:42 AM
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RPV pressure and temperature of #1 remain high according to data from my previous post.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 8:37:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:37:37 AM" ) )2:37 AM
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by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 8:30:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:30:03 AM" ) )2:30 AM
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@openmind sink in ocean
by oli333 at 3/30/2011 8:16:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:16:50 AM" ) )2:16 AM
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@openmind ... apparently a tanker to store the radioactive water. The question then of course is what to do with those radioactive tankers. But it would buy time.
by nls at 3/30/2011 8:09:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:09:19 AM" ) )2:09 AM
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@d_news - What a joke. They have an obvious water leak and they're blaming an air leak? I'm completely confident in saying that partially melted fuel has, in one place or another, breached the RPVs of #s 2 and 3. It's completely and blindingly obvious. The side-breach I mentioned earlier would easily explain why the water levels remain consistent but below the top of where the fuel used to be. OBVIOUS.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 7:59:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:59:19 AM" ) )1:59 AM
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openmind via
Farm6.static.flickr at 3/30/2011 7:59:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:59:19 AM" ) )1:59 AM
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News Flash @ NHK: Chief Cabinet Secretary says the government and experts are considering whether to cover the reactor buildings at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant with a special material, to stop the spread of radioactive substances.
by d_news at 3/30/2011 7:59:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:59:14 AM" ) )1:59 AM
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by d_news at 3/30/2011 7:54:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:54:18 AM" ) )1:54 AM
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Edano will be on NHK 'shortly' according to twitter feed.
by gabe at 3/30/2011 7:42:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:42:04 AM" ) )1:42 AM
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Just in case anyone was wondering, I believe the reason we're not seeing high temps at the bottom of the RPVs of reactors 2 and 3 is because the corium did not drop to the bottom. I recall reading an article a few days ago that described it as floating on the top of the water surface and breaching through the side of the RPV.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 7:40:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:40:04 AM" ) )1:40 AM
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more from BBC, Japan to scrap stricken nuclear reactors
www.bbc.co.ukby openmind at 3/30/2011 7:30:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:30:59 AM" ) )1:30 AM
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don't know if it has been posted already...
www.bbc.co.uk
In one section, radioactive iodine stood at 3,355 times the legal limit, said Japan's nuclear safety agency.by nls at 3/30/2011 7:27:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:27:50 AM" ) )1:27 AM
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Yep, jammie time. Even my laptop is tired. Nite all!
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 7:25:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:25:32 AM" ) )1:25 AM
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I hope I can sleep too. Maybe?
by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 7:24:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:24:59 AM" ) )1:24 AM
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Me too...gonna go read a book.
by Sin at 3/30/2011 7:23:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:23:02 AM" ) )1:23 AM
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Good night Marie
by JMV at 3/30/2011 7:22:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:22:58 AM" ) )1:22 AM
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me too i'm hittin it, nite all
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 7:22:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:22:47 AM" ) )1:22 AM
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nite marie
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 7:22:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:22:31 AM" ) )1:22 AM
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g'nite friends, i'm burned out
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 7:22:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:22:12 AM" ) )1:22 AM
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TEPCO: We are currently investigating how traces(!) of plutonium could contaminate Fukushima soil. Official report and dementi will be issued ASAP
by dimmer at 3/30/2011 7:19:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:19:41 AM" ) )1:19 AM
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Nearly 2hrs ago
by gabe at 3/30/2011 7:17:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:17:38 AM" ) )1:17 AM
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Earthquake Details
* This event has been reviewed by a seismologist.
Magnitude 6.0
Date-Time
* Wednesday, March 30, 2011 at 05:29:55 UTC
* Wednesday, March 30, 2011 at 02:29:55 PM at epicenter
* Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones
Location 36.135°N, 142.433°E
Depth 30.3 km (18.8 miles)
Region OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
Distances 172 km (106 miles) SE of Iwaki, Honshu, Japan
176 km (109 miles) E of Mito, Honshu, Japan
231 km (143 miles) SE of Koriyama, Honshu, Japan
246 km (152 miles) ENE of TOKYO, Japan
Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 15.7 km (9.8 miles); depth +/- 5.5 km (3.4 miles)
Parameters NST=187, Nph=188, Dmin=382.9 km, Rmss=0.74 sec, Gp= 86°,
M-type=regional moment magnitude (Mw), Version=9
by Sin at 3/30/2011 7:16:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:16:43 AM" ) )1:16 AM
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by Sin at 3/30/2011 7:15:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:15:37 AM" ) )1:15 AM
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Hank Scorpio, OK
by oli333 at 3/30/2011 7:15:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:15:09 AM" ) )1:15 AM
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@JMV good catch. the news hasn't got it yet
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 7:14:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:14:17 AM" ) )1:14 AM
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@Ids, Marie: Wow! 5 to 6 kilometers away and too hot to handle (no disrespect). People are still there or returning.
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 7:14:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:14:05 AM" ) )1:14 AM
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Is it bad that I thought Oli333's post about nationalization was a joke too? I seriously thought that was satire until I saw it at Kyodo.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 7:12:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:12:07 AM" ) )1:12 AM
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@oli333 - It was a joke. Unless you were saying you got it. In that case my head asplode.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 7:11:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:11:00 AM" ) )1:11 AM
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by marie rich at 3/30/2011 7:10:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:10:59 AM" ) )1:10 AM
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by JMV at 3/30/2011 7:10:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:10:58 AM" ) )1:10 AM
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Here's the link.
by JMV at 3/30/2011 7:10:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:10:45 AM" ) )1:10 AM
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6.0 earthquake off the Honshu Coast.
by JMV at 3/30/2011 7:10:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:10:25 AM" ) )1:10 AM
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Salvador what joke
by oli333 at 3/30/2011 7:10:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:10:25 AM" ) )1:10 AM
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Great great job, @kaykodh. Fine effort. I'll see what I can do...
> ... I've been moderating to give George a break, but it's way past my bedtime now. So there
> will probably be a break in modding until someone else can jump in.
by alblee at 3/30/2011 7:08:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:08:57 AM" ) )1:08 AM
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NEWS ADVISORY: Fukushima Daichi fuel pools stabilized at 5 cm water level. No immediate threat to huma health. [18.03]
by Salvador at 3/30/2011 7:07:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:07:08 AM" ) )1:07 AM
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@Karen Warren Those clowns have got to go. Not that I necessarily think Obama's people would do any better.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 7:06:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:06:35 AM" ) )1:06 AM
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NEWS ADVISORY: TEPCO says it will strive to avoid nationalization (16:04)
by oli333 at 3/30/2011 7:06:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:06:10 AM" ) )1:06 AM
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@Salvador - Funny!
by JMV at 3/30/2011 7:05:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:05:23 AM" ) )1:05 AM
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Ahhh....I could not find any more info about the two people in China.
by Sin at 3/30/2011 7:04:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:04:37 AM" ) )1:04 AM
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@Bobby1: It's under 'advisement.' In other words, Kan hasn't decided which side of the fence he prefers.
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 7:04:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:04:23 AM" ) )1:04 AM
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1st casualty of release
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 7:04:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:04:02 AM" ) )1:04 AM
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@Salvador LMAO
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 7:03:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:03:12 AM" ) )1:03 AM
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It's still got the green glow.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 7:02:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:02:46 AM" ) )1:02 AM
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@IDS - yes, it was posted, he commtied suicide because his farm is in evacuation zone. Save the cows! lol
by FradyKat at 3/30/2011 7:02:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:02:19 AM" ) )1:02 AM
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Let's not jump to conclusions about the body. It's very well possible the person was a casualty of the quake/tsunami and was irradiated after the fact.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 7:02:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:02:04 AM" ) )1:02 AM
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BREAKING NEWS: Tepco announces new information policy by certified mail.
by Salvador at 3/30/2011 7:01:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:01:48 AM" ) )1:01 AM
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VeenOui via
Pointscope01.jp at 3/30/2011 7:01:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:01:42 AM" ) )1:01 AM
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by VeenOui at 3/30/2011 7:01:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:01:19 AM" ) )1:01 AM
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@ids Holy Cr*p!!
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 7:01:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:01:17 AM" ) )1:01 AM
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by ids at 3/30/2011 7:00:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:00:12 AM" ) )1:00 AM
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This may have been posted: Man found dead in evac zone.
by ids at 3/30/2011 7:00:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:00:05 AM" ) )1:00 AM
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NEWS ADVISORY: TEPCO says the sky is blue (00:13)
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:59:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:59:59 AM" ) )12:59 AM
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@marie rich This was an anti-poe. I thought it was so full of doublespeak that it could only be satire, but those were REAL Tepco statement. OMG!
by Salvador at 3/30/2011 6:59:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:59:54 AM" ) )12:59 AM
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I thought Tepco was supposed to be nationalized.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 6:59:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:59:27 AM" ) )12:59 AM
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NEWS ADVISORY: All reactors FUBAR. NEWS ADVISORY: TEPCO says it will face tough time convincing enough legislators to let it off the hook.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 6:58:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:58:58 AM" ) )12:58 AM
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NEWS ADVISORY: All reactors stabilizing but units 1-4 not yet under control: TEPCO (15:52) = What news
by oli333 at 3/30/2011 6:58:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:58:39 AM" ) )12:58 AM
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Let me translate marie rich's post:
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 6:58:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:58:01 AM" ) )12:58 AM
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Remember, friends. Stabilizing=no explosions/fire
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:57:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:57:54 AM" ) )12:57 AM
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NEWS ADVISORY: All reactors stabilizing but units 1-4 not yet under control: TEPCO (15:52)
NEWS ADVISORY: TEPCO says it won't take long for president to return to work (15:44)
NEWS ADVISORY: TEPCO says it will face tough challenge over nuclear disaster compensation (15:40
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:57:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:57:11 AM" ) )12:57 AM
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Ohhhh, this just SUUUX, FireFox 4.0 is no longer capable of playing my previous AddOn for Windows Media Player :-((((((
by VeenOui at 3/30/2011 6:54:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:54:24 AM" ) )12:54 AM
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@all - I've been moderating to give George a break, but it's way past my bedtime now. So there will probably be a break in modding until someone else can jump in.
by kaykodh at 3/30/2011 6:52:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:52:56 AM" ) )12:52 AM
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I don't think that I can last this long: Tepco's Damaged Reactors May Take 30 Years, $12 Billion to Scrap
www.bloomberg.comby Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 6:52:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:52:43 AM" ) )12:52 AM
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@marie rich I know, the Video is not coming up for me, it's just and empty frame on the left
by VeenOui at 3/30/2011 6:52:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:52:03 AM" ) )12:52 AM
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@VeenOui It's with the story "Draining efforts continue"
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:51:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:51:14 AM" ) )12:51 AM
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@Erkan: Good news is that his stock options will be worthless.
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 6:49:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:49:31 AM" ) )12:49 AM
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@marie rich I am not getting a Video on that page ?
by VeenOui at 3/30/2011 6:49:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:49:30 AM" ) )12:49 AM
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@VeenOui: I believe it was at an airport in China. They tested for high radiation at the airport and taken to the hospital. But i haven't heard any followup on it.
by MaryW at 3/30/2011 6:49:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:49:17 AM" ) )12:49 AM
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@erkan Interesting method. This is widespread? So everybody knows what it means? ROFL
by Salvador at 3/30/2011 6:48:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:48:14 AM" ) )12:48 AM
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by VeenOui at 3/30/2011 6:48:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:48:10 AM" ) )12:48 AM
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@VeenOui you're just the guy we need! on NHK they have a video which includes an overhead shot of plant. Nancy said (I think) that would be useful. Can you take a look?
www3.nhk.or.jpby marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:47:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:47:57 AM" ) )12:47 AM
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@Sin: These people have been plagued with text messages since the beginning. There are warnings on websites telling folks not to pay attention.
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 6:47:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:47:42 AM" ) )12:47 AM
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I thought there was a story that two men positive were stopped at airport or something simular cple days back ?
by VeenOui at 3/30/2011 6:46:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:46:53 AM" ) )12:46 AM
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@VeenOui Which two guys?
by Sin at 3/30/2011 6:46:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:46:08 AM" ) )12:46 AM
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@VeenOui Hell, I don't know what it means, we will just have to wait for the story, I guess.
by Sin at 3/30/2011 6:45:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:45:38 AM" ) )12:45 AM
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@Sin Oh, that reminds me, what happened to the two guys that were positive for radiation ?
by VeenOui at 3/30/2011 6:45:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:45:30 AM" ) )12:45 AM
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De disappearance of TEPCO CEO to a hospital for vague health problems is a typical scenario in Japan often used by scandal tainted politicians. They let themselves be admitted to hospital and a succession is arranged. Afterwards they re-appear, completely healthy of course and will no longer be held accountable. Depending on age, they will enjoy their retirement on the golf course or re-start a political career. I guess we will soon see Shimizu on the golf course, relieved of his TEPCO duties.
by erkan at 3/30/2011 6:44:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:44:30 AM" ) )12:44 AM
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I KNOW THIS IS OLD< BUT NEW TO ME Shanghai, March 19 (IANS) Two men in Shanghai have been charged with spreading rumours about nuclear radiation from the Fukushima plant in Japan having reached China.
A man surnamed Wu posted on a social networking website a message that said nuclear pollutants had arrived in the city from the damaged power plant, police said.
Another man, surnamed Yin, helped spread the rumour on his microblog and via instant messages, Shanghai Daily reported Saturday.
An official said their behavior had breached the public security law and they received 'administrative penalties' for their act.
in.news.yahoo.com I wonder if they got off cause they ended up being right?
by Sin at 3/30/2011 6:44:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:44:01 AM" ) )12:44 AM
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Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano told reporters on Wednesday the experts are also examining the use of a tanker to collect irradiated water at the plant. = and what will whit the tanker, sink in the middle of the ocean!!!
by oli333 at 3/30/2011 6:43:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:43:48 AM" ) )12:43 AM
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Stress can do it. It's called a hypertensive crisis. He's stoned on Xanax or Ativan now and as useless as he was before.
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 6:43:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:43:20 AM" ) )12:43 AM
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@ariadne I think it's rather obvious that this was chinese propaganda and harassment. There are good reasons why the chinese don't line the japanese...
by Salvador at 3/30/2011 6:41:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:41:42 AM" ) )12:41 AM
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@all. From my phone as I lay to bed.... re tepco ceo... I think he's dying. Didn't he visit the plant weeks ago? I think he may have poisoning and refuse treatment as punish self. Just saying opinion.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 6:41:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:41:36 AM" ) )12:41 AM
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@Hank Scorpio - "All members of the board of operations and the executive management team must go to the site of a nuclear accident for which their company is responsible, work in any capacity they are capable of and not leave until all work to clean it up is finished".I like that one.
by JMV at 3/30/2011 6:41:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:41:09 AM" ) )12:41 AM
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@Sin So, instead of trying to stabilize, scrapping would mean..dismantle, tomb them in or what ?
by VeenOui at 3/30/2011 6:40:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:40:10 AM" ) )12:40 AM
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@marie rich Maybe a little "dose" of realit would be good for him. It's disgusting how the people responsible for such desasters as this nearly always get away. I prefer the "cheausescu- method" of justice to that.
by Salvador at 3/30/2011 6:40:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:40:07 AM" ) )12:40 AM
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The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency says radioactive iodine in excess of 3,300 times the national limit was found in seawater near the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant on Tuesday afternoon. This was the highest measured in waters off the plant. = This means we are all radioactive water dumped into the ocean. I never ever eat tuna from pacific.
by oli333 at 3/30/2011 6:39:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:39:49 AM" ) )12:39 AM
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Under penalty of seppuku.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 6:39:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:39:22 AM" ) )12:39 AM
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I propose a US constitutional amendment - All members of the board of operations and the executive management team must go to the site of a nuclear accident for which their company is responsible, work in any capacity they are capable of and not leave until all work to clean it up is finished.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 6:38:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:38:11 AM" ) )12:38 AM
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He should try workin in the plant to find out what "stress and fatigue" means
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:37:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:37:42 AM" ) )12:37 AM
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by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 6:37:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:37:40 AM" ) )12:37 AM
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And I still want to know more about those 2 travelers from different parts of Japan that were stopped in China with high radiation levels. What happened with them? If there were two there must be more. Has anyone seen any follow-up on that story?
www.todayonline.com by ariadne at 3/30/2011 6:37:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:37:11 AM" ) )12:37 AM
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I am assuming the "scrapping" means they will not be used as reactors again....
by Sin at 3/30/2011 6:35:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:35:30 AM" ) )12:35 AM
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@Salvador re:"Masataka Shimizu, CEO of Tepco tries everything to get out of his responsibilities. He's hospitalized because of "high blood pressure and a feeling of vertigo""
Probablly just that he doesn't recognize these symptoms as a guilty conscience. He's good at making apologies, but not good with accountability
by sheilatoulouse at 3/30/2011 6:34:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:34:47 AM" ) )12:34 AM
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by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 6:34:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:34:16 AM" ) )12:34 AM
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Accoding to CNN, he is ill from "fatigue, and stress"
www.cnn.comby Sin at 3/30/2011 6:34:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:34:00 AM" ) )12:34 AM
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@Hank Scorpio Yeah wouldn't be too surprised. Like the avatar.
by gabe at 3/30/2011 6:33:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:33:36 AM" ) )12:33 AM
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@Hank Scorpio sure. And they'll probably recycle the scrap metal into bomb casings. $$$
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:32:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:32:40 AM" ) )12:32 AM
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@Salvador He must have lost face, too bad.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 6:32:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:32:21 AM" ) )12:32 AM
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@Salvador I could get him a glass of water to drink - from Fukushima
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:31:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:31:33 AM" ) )12:31 AM
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@Salvador Now he can step down with 'golden parachute'
by gabe at 3/30/2011 6:31:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:31:31 AM" ) )12:31 AM
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@gabe - I wouldn't be surprised if they turned on 5-6 before everything is even over. Chernobyl's other reactors continued to be used after the events there for a number of years. I'm not even sure they're shut down.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 6:31:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:31:17 AM" ) )12:31 AM
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Masataka Shimizu, CEO of Tepco tries everything to get out of his responsibilities. He's hospitalized because of "high blood pressure and a feeling of vertigo" according to "Der SPIEGEL". Don't have a english source as of yet.
www.spiegel.deby Salvador at 3/30/2011 6:30:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:30:21 AM" ) )12:30 AM
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@Karen Warren They may try to salvage 5 and 6?
by gabe at 3/30/2011 6:30:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:30:14 AM" ) )12:30 AM
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@Hank Scorpio, no worries about that. It's good to know; now I won't be repeating incorrect information over the interwebs.
by tippytoe at 3/30/2011 6:30:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:30:09 AM" ) )12:30 AM
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@Karen Warren Doesn't it make you want to laugh...cry...puke?
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:29:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:29:16 AM" ) )12:29 AM
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@Marie Rich: Scrapping reactors 1-4???
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 6:28:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:28:32 AM" ) )12:28 AM
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@tippytoe - I Googled it. I'm just being a pedantic d*ck. The gist of your post was correct.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 6:28:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:28:25 AM" ) )12:28 AM
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This seems a bit surreal for now: The Lighter Side of Plutonium
blogs.wsj.comby Reed at 3/30/2011 6:28:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:28:01 AM" ) )12:28 AM
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@Hank Scorpio, thanks, I guess I shouldn't be giving advice.
by tippytoe at 3/30/2011 6:27:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:27:56 AM" ) )12:27 AM
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by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 6:27:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:27:33 AM" ) )12:27 AM
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@Gabe Wow, I wouldn't want to live 30 km north-west of Fukushima, those data sets are disturbing. In one of those places you get the yearly natural dose in 48 hours. Ugh.
by Salvador at 3/30/2011 6:27:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:27:31 AM" ) )12:27 AM
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repost from earlier today
by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 6:27:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:27:27 AM" ) )12:27 AM
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@Sin - Not the first time around. I was the Last, Best Hope of Humanity the first time around.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 6:27:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:27:25 AM" ) )12:27 AM
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@gabe yeah, I noticed. They added more monitors to the south, which were sparse before. Surprise! They're picking up some high-ish readings there.
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:26:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:26:54 AM" ) )12:26 AM
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@tippytoe - I-131 becomes Xe-131, a non-radioactive isotope.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 6:26:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:26:53 AM" ) )12:26 AM
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Dear Lord, my Facebook is recognizable anymore, lol.
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 6:26:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:26:26 AM" ) )12:26 AM
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*megaton
by Sin at 3/30/2011 6:26:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:26:24 AM" ) )12:26 AM
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@Hank Scorpio So....I bet you blew up magaton.
by Sin at 3/30/2011 6:26:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:26:09 AM" ) )12:26 AM
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@marie @ariadne @tippytoe thanks
by inCalifornia at 3/30/2011 6:25:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:25:52 AM" ) )12:25 AM
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@ariadne That is accurate because a half life is really a half of a half life. don't ask me to explain 'cuz i'm tired
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:25:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:25:11 AM" ) )12:25 AM
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@inCalifornia - The danger is determined by the age of the isotopes and their concentration.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 6:25:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:25:07 AM" ) )12:25 AM
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@ariadne In the atmosphere, radiation does not follow an inverse-square law. It travels in plumes. It hits some areas harder than others.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 6:25:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:25:04 AM" ) )12:25 AM
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@inCalifornia, half life is the time it takes for half the radioactive isotopes to decay into regular iodine. So, after 8 days you will have half as much radioactivity.
by tippytoe at 3/30/2011 6:25:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:25:04 AM" ) )12:25 AM
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@marie rich It was the NW , but quite high and from yesterday, but released today, been gone a few hours.
by gabe at 3/30/2011 6:24:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:24:38 AM" ) )12:24 AM
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@ inCalifornia-- someone said that with a half-life of 8 days that it is all pretty much completely gone in 30 days.
by ariadne at 3/30/2011 6:24:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:24:13 AM" ) )12:24 AM
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@inCalifornia at the risk of sounding glib, full life as an isotope before it decays into another element is 16 days
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:24:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:24:11 AM" ) )12:24 AM
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I just hate the whole concept of the radiation dispersing and "going away" when it heads out over the Pacific. There is no "away".
by ariadne at 3/30/2011 6:22:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:22:53 AM" ) )12:22 AM
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question about iodine-131 , if the 1/2 life is 8 days-how long is it dangerous? For instance this article says that it was found in high levels in the water in PA, but it must have taken 8 days to get there- Can someone explain?
blogs.forbes.comby inCalifornia at 3/30/2011 6:22:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:22:35 AM" ) )12:22 AM
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@gabe are you talking about the high values to NW? or just in g'nl chk it?
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:22:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:22:30 AM" ) )12:22 AM
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@Salvador I was thinking the exact same thing. I'm sure the fish will obey the evacuation boundaries and stay within their quarantined area. Do they have woodsheds in Japan? I think it's high time we haul some of these characters out to the woodshed. I'm tired of my intelligence being insulted by their ridiculous statements.
by Bev at 3/30/2011 6:22:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:22:19 AM" ) )12:22 AM
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nite Meretisa!
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 6:21:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:21:37 AM" ) )12:21 AM
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@Meretisa Sleep easy, friend
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:21:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:21:17 AM" ) )12:21 AM
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Night Meretisa! HUGS!
by ariadne at 3/30/2011 6:21:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:21:12 AM" ) )12:21 AM
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@ariadne Right, dilution means increase the range of the contaminant, in hopes that lower levels will help somehow.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 6:21:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:21:03 AM" ) )12:21 AM
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OMG Kyodo news headline- chk it out. I could punch those boys right now
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:20:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:20:53 AM" ) )12:20 AM
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@All- night all... sleepy time. busy day tomorrow but on as much as I can. be well.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 6:20:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:20:41 AM" ) )12:20 AM
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@Salvador @marie rich Did you see the MEXT data for 30kms out I posted abt 10 minuts back?
by gabe at 3/30/2011 6:20:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:20:39 AM" ) )12:20 AM
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damaged and then irradiated? and re: the "significant dilution"--does that just mean it gets spread out over a larger area?
by ariadne at 3/30/2011 6:20:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:20:03 AM" ) )12:20 AM
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@ Bev - But how do you keep pets from drinking rainwater?
by JMV at 3/30/2011 6:19:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:19:55 AM" ) )12:19 AM
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@ariadne Def NOT SOP. apparently damaged in quake/blast.
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:18:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:18:52 AM" ) )12:18 AM
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Gabes Iaea post shows there's going to be an IAEA whitewash, uh ,briefing tomorrow. sud be fun for a giggle
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:17:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:17:50 AM" ) )12:17 AM
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"He reiterated that the polluted seawater will not pose immediate health risks because fishing would not be conducted in the evacuation-designated area within 20 kilometers of the plant and radiation-emitting substances would be ''significantly diluted'' by the time they are consumed by marine species and then by people."
english.kyodonews.jp Hmm, do fish respect 20 km evacuation zones? STUPID doublespeak!
by Salvador at 3/30/2011 6:17:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:17:43 AM" ) )12:17 AM
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@ marie rich @Sin--When was the water irradiated in those already full condenser tanks in reactors 2 and 3? Did that happen before the earthquake? Is it SOP to have that steam-condensing-into-water be radioactive, and then sent in to cool the rods again?
by ariadne at 3/30/2011 6:17:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:17:32 AM" ) )12:17 AM
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@Bev WHOO HOO IMMA GOIN
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:16:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:16:40 AM" ) )12:16 AM
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@Lethbridgean - They only need that for #1 since 2 and 3 are already gone according to what pressure readings they have. They seem to have a good idea of what's going on without it. That extra data is relatively meaningless if they can't do anything with it.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 6:16:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:16:26 AM" ) )12:16 AM
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@Marie Do NOT go into the light.
by Bev at 3/30/2011 6:15:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:15:58 AM" ) )12:15 AM
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This has got to be a first, I think it was Nancy that posted the BBC article but it was NOT on KYODO.the 2000 x over limit Iodine in water
english.kyodonews.jpby VeenOui at 3/30/2011 6:15:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:15:35 AM" ) )12:15 AM
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@Hank Amen!
by Bev at 3/30/2011 6:14:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:14:59 AM" ) )12:14 AM
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@Hank Scorpio - it would give them access to the data from the PLC's they would normally need to see temps/pressures/valve positions that the operators need. Since the power went out they have had none of these.
by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 6:14:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:14:58 AM" ) )12:14 AM
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webcam fetish again, but look at the lil glowing spot
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:14:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:14:50 AM" ) )12:14 AM
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by gabe at 3/30/2011 6:14:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:14:25 AM" ) )12:14 AM
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In that world, no one bats an eye when you take out a bad guy. You do it here and he gets a monument.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 6:14:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:14:10 AM" ) )12:14 AM
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Good morning! Just woke up. Any news?
by Salvador at 3/30/2011 6:13:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:13:58 AM" ) )12:13 AM
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I'm a little surprised at the Iodine 131 readings in PA. Not terribly high, but higher than I expected. Hey kids, don't drink the pool water!
by Bev at 3/30/2011 6:13:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:13:56 AM" ) )12:13 AM
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@Hank Scorpio be careful what you wish for
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:13:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:13:25 AM" ) )12:13 AM
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Sometimes I think I'd prefer the world of Fallout over this one.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 6:12:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:12:41 AM" ) )12:12 AM
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Thanks Sin. I try. :)
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 6:12:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:12:28 AM" ) )12:12 AM
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@marie rich k thanks. you're right though. they've been pretty spot on so far
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 6:12:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:12:10 AM" ) )12:12 AM
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@Hank Scorpio but it sounds good :)
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:11:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:11:38 AM" ) )12:11 AM
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HANK you are awesome
by Sin at 3/30/2011 6:11:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:11:38 AM" ) )12:11 AM
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They need both cooling pumps and extraction pumps, if the wsj is right.
by Bev at 3/30/2011 6:11:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:11:27 AM" ) )12:11 AM
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@Meretisa Kyodo headline only so far
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:11:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:11:18 AM" ) )12:11 AM
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Power at the control room means jack if they can't electrify the cooling systems currently flooded in the turbine rooms.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 6:11:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:11:14 AM" ) )12:11 AM
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@Sin LMAO
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:10:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:10:51 AM" ) )12:10 AM
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Where is this "more power" linked at ???
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 6:10:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:10:38 AM" ) )12:10 AM
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NISA said they got power to #2 control room tdy
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:10:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:10:34 AM" ) )12:10 AM
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A time machine...bout all thats gonna fix it.
by Sin at 3/30/2011 6:10:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:10:31 AM" ) )12:10 AM
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@Bobby1 okay
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:10:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:10:03 AM" ) )12:10 AM
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@Sin probably maybe something else too
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 6:09:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:09:59 AM" ) )12:09 AM
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@marie rich No just a deduction.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 6:09:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:09:41 AM" ) )12:09 AM
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@Bobby1 They need bigger pumps with more cooling power
by Sin at 3/30/2011 6:09:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:09:30 AM" ) )12:09 AM
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@Bobby1 link?
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:09:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:09:19 AM" ) )12:09 AM
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@ Terratalk - Damn Button! I wish they would stop treating us like children and just give it to us straight.
by JMV at 3/30/2011 6:08:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:08:49 AM" ) )12:08 AM
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@marie rich They're planning something that utilizes more power than the cable they strung up can deliver.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 6:08:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:08:28 AM" ) )12:08 AM
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@ Terratalk - "ENE News is showing the scary side; Governor of PA trying to minimize it".
by JMV at 3/30/2011 6:07:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:07:20 AM" ) )12:07 AM
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brb...looking
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:06:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:06:40 AM" ) )12:06 AM
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I haven't been able to find confirmation, but Kyodo's been right every time
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:06:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:06:23 AM" ) )12:06 AM
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@ariadne Exactly.
by Sin at 3/30/2011 6:06:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:06:05 AM" ) )12:06 AM
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@Sin or it's just that freaking bad. :(
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 6:05:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:05:38 AM" ) )12:05 AM
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@ariadne dead right
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:05:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:05:26 AM" ) )12:05 AM
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@Bev - if by load you mean amperage load then yeah to much load would melt the cable. That would be a big mistake.
by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 6:05:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:05:23 AM" ) )12:05 AM
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"Plant operators can't do the same at reactors 2 and 3, however, because those condensation units are already full." Are they, too, full of radioactive water?
online.wsj.comby ariadne at 3/30/2011 6:05:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:05:01 AM" ) )12:05 AM
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So, next door in the organize room I was mentioning a possible FOIA. Then I found the one Friends of Earth already requested Here's the summary and full text:
(1) All records created since March 10, 2011, containing measurements of radiation released to air, soil and water from the Fukushima reactors in Japan;
(2) All records containing analyses of measurements of radiation referred to in paragraph (1) above; and
(3) All records relating to the criteria and or protocols used for the conduct of the radiation measurements and or analyses described in paragraphs (1) and (2) above.
Here's the full text link:
foe.org by tippytoe at 3/30/2011 6:04:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:04:58 AM" ) )12:04 AM
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From what I have read a whole LOT of countries have sent them experts, boron, boric acid, robots, fresh water, radiation suits, generators, hell everything they could need is available...this all has to be media traps in this puppet show to keep us guessing.
by Sin at 3/30/2011 6:04:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:04:41 AM" ) )12:04 AM
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by gabe at 3/30/2011 6:04:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:04:29 AM" ) )12:04 AM
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@sheilatoulouse The EPA might raise the maximum levels of radioactivity allowed, but it won't make any difference.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 6:03:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:03:59 AM" ) )12:03 AM
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@all- just cut and pasted Dean's ideas into a document. added quite a few documents for us to add info/LINKS to. be sure that you put the DATE at the top of your portion of edition and your name after... I'd like to keep track of when stuff is added and who does it. Thanks.
by Meretisa at 3/30/2011 6:03:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:03:27 AM" ) )12:03 AM
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@Marie I was wondering if the load is too heavy to be serviced by the temporary cables/supply. I imagine the power demands are enormous.
by Bev at 3/30/2011 6:03:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:03:12 AM" ) )12:03 AM
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If they lost their a/c power to cooling pumps- that would be major bad news
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:02:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:02:28 AM" ) )12:02 AM
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by Sin at 3/30/2011 6:01:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:01:43 AM" ) )12:01 AM
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what do y'all suppose Kyodo means about them needing to secure an alternate source of powewr? Think their jimmy-rigged cable got wrecked ?
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 6:01:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:01:24 AM" ) )12:01 AM
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@Pedro Surely there was one surviving alpha spectrometer somewhere in the country. If not, they could have ordered one online on the 11th. :-/
www.canberra.comby Bev at 3/30/2011 6:00:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:00:56 AM" ) )12:00 AM
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from a link in the article about PA rainwater:
coto2.wordpress.com
i don't know how to determine the credibility of this
by sheilatoulouse at 3/30/2011 6:00:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:00:50 AM" ) )12:00 AM
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@JMV: two sides of the same coin - ENE News is showing the scary side; Governor of PA trying to minimize it.
by Terratalk at 3/30/2011 6:00:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:00:15 AM" ) )12:00 AM
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Does anyone know how the little things like birds and bees that drink from rain puddles are going to be affected?
by JMV at 3/30/2011 5:58:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:58:58 AM" ) )11:58 PM yesterday
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The IAEA, and the U>S> gov't both know the readings. Both have teams on the ground. I wish there was a way to force them to publish. A FOIA is too slow
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 5:58:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:58:20 AM" ) )11:58 PM yesterday
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@JMV: Did you read the original release from the governor of PA ... not anything described like the article at all ...
www.centredaily.com by Terratalk at 3/30/2011 5:58:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:58:03 AM" ) )11:58 PM yesterday
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radionuclide allowable limits in drinking water from EPA
water.epa.govby Sin at 3/30/2011 5:57:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:57:43 AM" ) )11:57 PM yesterday
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@Terratalk - I have, it looks like the mid Atlantic states are going to get hit, so far NYS, where I'm at has been out of the bullseye.
by JMV at 3/30/2011 5:56:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:56:37 AM" ) )11:56 PM yesterday
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@Alaskan YW.
by Reed at 3/30/2011 5:56:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:56:36 AM" ) )11:56 PM yesterday
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@Bev: Keep a note on that thought please. We should get a better understanding of its capacity. I would think that the first-line responsibility would lie locally.
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 5:52:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:52:30 AM" ) )11:52 PM yesterday
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@Reed ty
by Alaskan at 3/30/2011 5:52:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:52:18 AM" ) )11:52 PM yesterday
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@JMV: I like link ... also click on Forecast below article.
by Terratalk at 3/30/2011 5:51:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:51:56 AM" ) )11:51 PM yesterday
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@Sin - You would think.
by JMV at 3/30/2011 5:51:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:51:38 AM" ) )11:51 PM yesterday
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@Karen Warren Parasites need a host. I don't see the advantage.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 5:50:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:50:47 AM" ) )11:50 PM yesterday
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@Alaskan Well done ! The crowdsourcing link is excellent.
by Reed at 3/30/2011 5:50:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:50:13 AM" ) )11:50 PM yesterday
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@Bev Well, we know IAEA has been conducting soil, water and air measurement around the Fukushima power plant and in other locations with their own scientists and equipment.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 5:50:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:50:02 AM" ) )11:50 PM yesterday
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@JMV Isn't the allowed amoint zero?
by Sin at 3/30/2011 5:49:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:49:59 AM" ) )11:49 PM yesterday
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@Bev - The IAEA is just a diplomatic org.for the UN. They can only ask for complience to their regulations. They don't have any power to force anything.
by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 5:49:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:49:53 AM" ) )11:49 PM yesterday
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by Sin at 3/30/2011 5:48:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:48:20 AM" ) )11:48 PM yesterday
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I don't know if this has been posted yet.
EPA: Radioactive Iodine-131 levels in PA & MA rainwater “exceed maximum contaminant level permitted in drinking water”
enenews.comby JMV at 3/30/2011 5:48:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:48:15 AM" ) )11:48 PM yesterday
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@Sin Uh good point
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 5:47:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:47:41 AM" ) )11:47 PM yesterday
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@kaykod all good?
by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 5:46:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:46:28 AM" ) )11:46 PM yesterday
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@Karen Warren: I hear you.
by MaryW at 3/30/2011 5:45:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:45:34 AM" ) )11:45 PM yesterday
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@Bobby1 Monsanto will just bioengineer plants that thrive on radiation and patent it.
by Sin at 3/30/2011 5:45:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:45:06 AM" ) )11:45 PM yesterday
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One of the larger questions we should be asking, and demanding answers to is why hasn't the IAEA stepped in to assist The Japanese with equipment (IF what they say is true, and they don't have the ability to measure over 1k, and can't get Pu readings in 24 hours) these seem to be easy solutions. It would do two things: force the Japanese to report accurate readings in a timely fashion, and/or give them the ability to do so. At the very least, they would no longer have antiquated equipment as an excuse to withhold vital data.
by Bev at 3/30/2011 5:45:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:45:01 AM" ) )11:45 PM yesterday
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by Alaskan at 3/30/2011 5:44:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:44:57 AM" ) )11:44 PM yesterday
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NEWS ADVISORY: Alternative power sources need to be secured for nuke plant: Kaieda (14:17)
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 5:44:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:44:42 AM" ) )11:44 PM yesterday
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@Bobby 1: I used to be an idealist. Now, I am a realist. It's all corrupt and I've seen it happen over and over - everything from the SEC to the FDA to the Federal Reserve, and the list goes on. It's all about the $$$, unfortunately... the innocent get slaughtered. Cold, hard fact. The world is a nasty place especially for nice folks like yourself. The Japan crisis has really opened my eyes. It's never the obvious; it's always something else.
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 5:42:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:42:29 AM" ) )11:42 PM yesterday
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@Bev Could it have been the case that sensitive lab equipment might have required maintenance and fine tuning before being used to deliver accurate readings? It was a 9.0 earthquake after all. I can imagine a lot of lab equipment failing after that mess. Plus the power shortages. There's a lot of variables that we do not know of.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 5:40:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:40:41 AM" ) )11:40 PM yesterday
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@Bobby1 "Maybe they finally realize that all their money is useless without a Earth fit to live on", AMEN!
by sheilatoulouse at 3/30/2011 5:39:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:39:39 AM" ) )11:39 PM yesterday
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@Bev - enough time to put a proper spin on the bad info i suppose.
by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 5:38:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:38:27 AM" ) )11:38 PM yesterday
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@Marie I would be shocked if that was the upper limit of their measuring capabilities. Remember they also told us it took ten days to measure the Ur and Pu in soil samples. Equipment has been available for many years to do spectography and have those levels within 24 hours. Standard equipment here in the states. In Japan too I suspect. They like to postpone bad news as long as possible.
by Bev at 3/30/2011 5:37:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:37:05 AM" ) )11:37 PM yesterday
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@Karen Warren Maybe they finally realize that all their money is useless without a Earth fit to live on.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 5:36:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:36:37 AM" ) )11:36 PM yesterday
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News Advisory: alternate sources of power neede for power
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 5:36:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:36:34 AM" ) )11:36 PM yesterday
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@MaryW, thank you
by sheilatoulouse at 3/30/2011 5:35:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:35:51 AM" ) )11:35 PM yesterday
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Couldn't find any info about the radiation measuring devices on the wsj.com page.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 5:35:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:35:32 AM" ) )11:35 PM yesterday
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@sheilatatoulouse: 0pps, you may have to click on the cnn home page.
by MaryW at 3/30/2011 5:35:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:35:21 AM" ) )11:35 PM yesterday
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@Pedro Jesus, I don't know.
by sheilatoulouse at 3/30/2011 5:35:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:35:16 AM" ) )11:35 PM yesterday
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@Bobby 1: Of course, it has to do with money. That's why it's political.
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 5:34:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:34:57 AM" ) )11:34 PM yesterday
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I am really, really glad to see this making headlines. Unfortunate, as it is, it'll help take the focus off Libya and place it where it should be.
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 5:34:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:34:20 AM" ) )11:34 PM yesterday
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@Karen Warren I understand your skepticism, and usually I am the first to suspect these things, but in this case there is so much money involved that they have to do something. How is this going to affect big agriculture? Monsanto?
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 5:34:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:34:00 AM" ) )11:34 PM yesterday
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@sheilatoulouse But that was beta radiation they were exposed to. If it were lethal it would have caused burns, no?
by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 5:33:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:33:04 AM" ) )11:33 PM yesterday
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also in the NISA report was the latest number of people who were tested for contamination 98,000+
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 5:32:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:32:43 AM" ) )11:32 PM yesterday
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@sheilatatoulouse: Workers endure austere conditions in averting disaster, March 30th
www.cnn.com by MaryW at 3/30/2011 5:32:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:32:43 AM" ) )11:32 PM yesterday
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@Pedro: Sounds like a research project to me. Any ideas on how we can find out what type of equipment they're using. Hmmm! ... e-mail the author of the article???
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 5:32:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:32:27 AM" ) )11:32 PM yesterday
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@Pedro Jesus, i don't have a link or anything, but the information I saw said the latency period, (after initial nausea, diahhrea) was up to a coupld of weeks. their "fine" then they ..sizzle quickly and die
by sheilatoulouse at 3/30/2011 5:31:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:31:24 AM" ) )11:31 PM yesterday
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@Bobby 1: It's politics and there is nothing genuine about it, IMHO.
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 5:30:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:30:46 AM" ) )11:30 PM yesterday
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Tepco would like them to stay annonymous.
by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 5:30:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:30:31 AM" ) )11:30 PM yesterday
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@Pedro Jesus It's in the link below online.wsj.com
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 5:29:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:29:58 AM" ) )11:29 PM yesterday
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@sheilatoulouse I bet they will keep them under close observation for a while. But they did spend a full week in the laboratory. How long does it take for beta radiation burns to show on the skin?
by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 5:29:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:29:52 AM" ) )11:29 PM yesterday
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@marie rich @Bev I never saw any reliable information about their instruments being unable to quantify over 1000mSv. I only read it here on this blog. I can't contradict that information though; I don't know what devices they are using and what their range is.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 5:28:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:28:47 AM" ) )11:28 PM yesterday
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@Pedro Jesus, maybe they should have qualified that stement with 'visible' or 'immediate' injuries. Who knows what the next few weeks will bring for them.
by sheilatoulouse at 3/30/2011 5:28:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:28:00 AM" ) )11:28 PM yesterday
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@marie rich - It may well be that the equipment those employees had couldn't read over 1Sv/hr. The dose has been extrapolated based upon the data on the water. It's over 3Sv/hr.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 5:27:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:27:57 AM" ) )11:27 PM yesterday
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@Bev Can't you just click on to the next highest level?
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 5:27:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:27:28 AM" ) )11:27 PM yesterday
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@Lethbridgean The two workers that were under observation did not sustain any injuries and have been discharged from the hospital yesterday.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 5:26:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:26:32 AM" ) )11:26 PM yesterday
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@Bev They've got to be lying about them being unable to quantify over 1000mSv?
by marie rich at 3/30/2011 5:26:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:26:24 AM" ) )11:26 PM yesterday
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@Karen Warren I meant that it's probably not posturing, but genuine. Just an opinion.
by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 5:26:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:26:19 AM" ) )11:26 PM yesterday
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@Karen Warren Thanks, After reading that i can't help but think they are just prolonging he inevitable, the radiation will get too high, they will have to abandon the site and multiple meltdowns will occur. Am I just being too pessimistic?
by Sin at 3/30/2011 5:26:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:26:12 AM" ) )11:26 PM yesterday
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@Leth, Bev: Someone posted on that subject. Has to with confidentiality and autonomy for the sake of the worker and his family... makes sense.
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 5:25:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:25:28 AM" ) )11:25 PM yesterday
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@Marie @Bev Those discussions should now take place at:
www.scribblelive.com Let's keep this one for info on the situation and other directly related issues.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 5:25:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:25:16 AM" ) )11:25 PM yesterday
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@Bev : The 2 workers that had burns/blisters on their feet were suppose to be released too, I don't think Tepco wants the outside world to hear of anybody getting hurt.
by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 5:23:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:23:57 AM" ) )11:23 PM yesterday
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@Marie I like that name too. Submit it on the other page if you haven't already.
by Bev at 3/30/2011 5:23:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:23:47 AM" ) )11:23 PM yesterday
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@Bobby1: I'm not sure if I understand your point or, perhaps, you didn't understand mine. :-)
by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 5:23:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:23:33 AM" ) )11:23 PM yesterday
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@Sky Exactly and it is good to make that clear.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 5:23:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:23:13 AM" ) )11:23 PM yesterday
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@Sky Nite Nite
by Sin at 3/30/2011 5:22:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:22:29 AM" ) )11:22 PM yesterday
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by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 5:22:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:22:04 AM" ) )11:22 PM yesterday
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@sheilatoulouse Their exposure is not guessed nor estimated. It is screened and measured after each shift. They are all volunteers.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 5:21:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:21:53 AM" ) )11:21 PM yesterday
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@Pedro Jesus - the CBC article said they were soaked to their underwear. So the clothing didn't help much.
by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 5:21:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:21:53 AM" ) )11:21 PM yesterday
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@Karen Warren Link?
by Sin at 3/30/2011 5:21:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:21:23 AM" ) ) Tuesday, March 29 2011 11:21 PM
