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@Matsuoko - Godzilla has a very good reason to be pissed-off at TEPCO

by openmind at 3/30/2011 7:41:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:41:45 PM" ) )1:41 PM
It's also quite possible that either the cameras or at least the related power/video cabling for them, are toast from explosions.

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 7:41:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:41:24 PM" ) )1:41 PM
@Nancy Go from the height of the buildings and measure in your graphic software. Wasn't the height of the reactor buildings between 50 and 60 meters? Can't find a source just now.

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 7:41:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:41:02 PM" ) )1:41 PM
@openmind And it could break apart after hitting the roof, causing it split to either side of the wall below.

by Jay77 at 3/30/2011 7:39:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:39:38 PM" ) )1:39 PM
@Reed; Addition: Reading the jpost.com: I don't say, there is no better data available, but not published for whatever reasons. I just don't believe Israel knows thins, Japan doesn''t . According to the artcile there should be better data available. But it is not released and/or available to the operators of the systems in Israel. Probably it's "just" a private company supplying the surveillance systems. No conspiracy. Only a local censorship for whatever reason. Ask Japanese institutions what's going on at their plants.

by Max at 3/30/2011 7:39:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:39:12 PM" ) )1:39 PM
@Lethbridgean - that concrete plug would defiantly be big enough.

by openmind at 3/30/2011 7:38:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:38:29 PM" ) )1:38 PM
@all. Does anyone know the approximate size of the panels in the side wall framework for the reactor buildings? IE, how many feet tall is each panel or how many stories? In the exploded buildings the square framework is left on the walls. I need to use that as a measurement reference.

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 7:38:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:38:27 PM" ) )1:38 PM
@elainekirk Thanks, yeah, I think that's the top of a wall down below, with a small rectangular piece of roofing membrane stuck to it. I think it's way too wide to be electrical conduit.

by Jay77 at 3/30/2011 7:37:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:37:37 PM" ) )1:37 PM
Also the image I saw the huge hole was accompanied by several smaller circular holes, these smaller holes don't seem as prevalent.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 7:37:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:37:35 PM" ) )1:37 PM
@Lethbridgean "Why is everyone poking it now?" One solid reason is because not everyone was here three weeks ago to read your comments. Another good reason is to kick it around a little bit more to attempt to discover what object made that hole in the roof. There should be no pride of ownership in this forum...everyone should feel welcome to discuss ideas even if they've been brought up previously.

by James Ward at 3/30/2011 7:37:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:37:23 PM" ) )1:37 PM
@Lethbridgean, I think so, too. I seems like a very heavy chunk of concrete fell on the roof and we can still see some rubble inside.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 7:37:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:37:18 PM" ) )1:37 PM
@Lethbridgean Yeah I had originally thought that could be it.. I think that is the other piece that went on the other side of no3.. From the explosion video you can see 2 large items flying

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 7:37:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:37:06 PM" ) )1:37 PM
@John Good pic....puts it more in perspective. In my opinion, dissecting photos is fun, but it should be taken as speculation, while keeping in mind that such speculation is little better than guess work, as we do not know what each building is constructed of, all of each buldings componets or contents, force of the blasts, dimensions or measurements of the structures or the site.

by Sin at 3/30/2011 7:37:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:37:02 PM" ) )1:37 PM
I thought then like I do now it was caused by the cement shield from the #3 reactor hydrogen explosion.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 7:35:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:35:38 PM" ) )1:35 PM
I thought by now they would make more info public. I'm sure TEPCO knows what went where after the blast.

by openmind at 3/30/2011 7:35:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:35:34 PM" ) )1:35 PM
Definitely looks like something went thru from the top. Object across opening could be electrical conduit of a good size 2" or larger. Whatever fell in was at least 20'x20' comparing it to size of bucket truck adjacent to reactor building.

by Rah Weiss at 3/30/2011 7:35:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:35:12 PM" ) )1:35 PM
@elainekirk Look like a piece of the crane to me

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 7:34:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:34:25 PM" ) )1:34 PM
The photos were not clear enough of the damage and I only saw it on a 2 second fly over of a helicopter shown on NHK. Then magically it disapppeared when those two guys got their feet burnt.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 7:34:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:34:22 PM" ) )1:34 PM
@Lethbridgean Rehashing old data looking for more clues. The photos are a little better now.. so go with it

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 7:33:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:33:27 PM" ) )1:33 PM
For me, I hadn't seen (or forgot about) the photos until today.

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 7:32:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:32:46 PM" ) )1:32 PM
@Lethbridgean Because we speculate what may have been the cause of that hole.

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 7:32:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:32:17 PM" ) )1:32 PM
same hole from different angle

by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 7:32:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:32:12 PM" ) )1:32 PM
looks like godzilla was there.

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 7:31:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:31:55 PM" ) )1:31 PM
@all I called the damage and source of damage to turbine building #3 over a week ago, why is everybody poking it now?

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 7:31:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:31:29 PM" ) )1:31 PM
@John -- Thanks. The hole shape in 3 has similar shape to the hole in the turbine building, and the debris spread is clear.

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 7:30:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:30:58 PM" ) )1:30 PM
@Pedro Jesus That's a good idea, but hard to comply by because the real source is not always clear. Was it Tepco, NISA, SDF, Edano for the government, NHK, Kyodo? Umpf.

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 7:29:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:29:34 PM" ) )1:29 PM
@Markfm I would say it could have easily been a chunk of roof or wall panel, which having been blasted several hundred feet prior to falling, would have been able to blow through the roofing and roof deck, but not necessarily through the steel beams on either side of the hole. The "electrical looking thing" could also easily be the top of a wall far below, with a piece of roofing material resting on the end of it. We don't have any depth perception with a straight-down shot without shadows.

by Jay77 at 3/30/2011 7:29:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:29:18 PM" ) )1:29 PM
@Reed: Sorry: For me personally: I couldn't find any proof in the link. I am "sure" Israels is everywhere... No: seriuosliy: I still think japanese and, in case of support/real troubles US institutions would /should be first at the site. I don't to go deeper in conspiracies in this case just because of conspiracy.

by Max at 3/30/2011 7:28:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:28:21 PM" ) )1:28 PM
You are correct John, good catch on the direction of the debris fields.

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 7:27:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:27:24 PM" ) )1:27 PM
@all May I suggest, for the sake of credibility, that when you post modified photos you also provide the original source?

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 7:26:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:26:12 PM" ) )1:26 PM
I think that turbine building damage was from no 3 explosion, look: img858.imageshack.us

by John via Img858.imageshack.us at 3/30/2011 7:25:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:25:50 PM" ) )1:25 PM
www.michiganlaserdentist.net : Letter from Fukushima: A Vietnamese-Japanese Police Officer’s Account
"This letter, written by a Vietnamese immigrant working in Fukushima as a policeman to a friend in Vietnam, has been circulating on Facebook among the Vietnamese diaspora. It is an extraordinary testimony to the strength and dignity of the Japanese spirit, and an interesting slice of life near the epicenter of Japan’s current crisis"

by vasra at 3/30/2011 7:24:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:24:59 PM" ) )1:24 PM
leaving. back when I am done

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 7:24:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:24:52 PM" ) )1:24 PM
@Markfm If it were from an internal explosion you would see many more smaller holes and much more debris lying around on the roof. This hole was produced by something as big or bigger than a car smashing through.

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 7:24:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:24:46 PM" ) )1:24 PM
@openmind. we should have a better idea later. but look at the arc on those. it is falling away.

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 7:24:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:24:41 PM" ) )1:24 PM
Yes. that is in the planning and potential use. We have people that can do the work

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 7:24:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:24:03 PM" ) )1:24 PM
Maybe a hole from the object on the right in this photo
farm6.static.flickr.com

by openmind via Farm6.static.flickr at 3/30/2011 7:23:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:23:59 PM" ) )1:23 PM
@mark. we should have blown up images here in a bit for everyone.

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 7:23:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:23:34 PM" ) )1:23 PM
@Nancy : powerpoint for the presentation of media.

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 7:23:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:23:32 PM" ) )1:23 PM
Is the hole at #3 turbine something that fell on it, or something that blew up and out? It looks like debris around the opening. Just curious.

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 7:23:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:23:04 PM" ) )1:23 PM
@sims Yes that I what I was considering, but the white electrical looking object in the ceiling seems fragile, as if it would have been desroyed by something falling on it....all we can do is speculate.

by Sin at 3/30/2011 7:22:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:22:42 PM" ) )1:22 PM
@matsuoko - for???

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 7:22:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:22:39 PM" ) )1:22 PM
@vasra @Nancy why not powerpoint ? very easy to handle.

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 7:22:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:22:25 PM" ) )1:22 PM
be back tonight. if people need graphics work done please make sure the request goes in the other scribble group and on the facebook page in the tasks document so we know who is working on it to avoid duplication

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 7:22:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:22:24 PM" ) )1:22 PM
@vasra Monreal got $900,000 from the DOE, his expertise is in particle physics, not nuclear engineering. www.universityofcalifornia.edu

by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 7:22:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:22:07 PM" ) )1:22 PM

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I think it is from a piece of crane.. or concrete wall

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 7:22:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:22:00 PM" ) )1:22 PM
@vasra @Nancy why nptz

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 7:21:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:21:53 PM" ) )1:21 PM
www.dw-world.de : Shipping companies act to keep radiation at bay
China's recent refusal to harbor a Japanese ship after abnormal levels of radiation were detected on deck has sparked concern in Germany. Whether it is founded or not, is a matter of opinion.

by vasra at 3/30/2011 7:21:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:21:29 PM" ) )1:21 PM
@all regarding the piece of metal sticking across the hole. Steel with a high flexibility could bend and spring back.

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 7:21:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:21:23 PM" ) )1:21 PM
@Sin like.. by a large piece of debris from R3 falling in..

by sims at 3/30/2011 7:20:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:20:44 PM" ) )1:20 PM
@salvador, fitter is working on that, making some contacts. he requested the video and graphics work. Get with him.

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 7:20:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:20:36 PM" ) )1:20 PM
It does appear that the edges of the hole suggest the hole was created from the outside, rather than an explosion from the inside.

by Sin at 3/30/2011 7:20:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:20:10 PM" ) )1:20 PM
@Nancy That sounds very good. It would be great if we could put together a semi- professional presentation that could be send to the investigative journalists we have to find. I'm sure there would be some german mainstream media outlet that would look into this. Maybe the TV magazine "Monitor" or "panorama" or "Der SPIEGEL" on the print on online side.

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 7:18:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:18:26 PM" ) )1:18 PM
@Sin - #3 turbine building, think of the damage inside!

by openmind at 3/30/2011 7:18:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:18:07 PM" ) )1:18 PM
I wasn't clear which building it was.

by Sin at 3/30/2011 7:17:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:17:50 PM" ) )1:17 PM
Sin, big hole in the turbine building is diff than vent holes in 5 & 6. Those made holes are small and uniform.

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 7:16:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:16:58 PM" ) )1:16 PM
@Sin That was on the roofs of reactors #5 and #6. How could you think that this hole in the number #3 turbine building was made on purpose? Does it look like the work of a team with angle grinders?

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 7:16:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:16:13 PM" ) )1:16 PM
@Salvador - radioguy and I are working on those images this afternoon. I think that is a good potential but unsure vs. the outward trajectory of the big objects. Should have better info once we work on everything. Fitter has us also working on the video of #3's explosion to help with this and some other concerns he has

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 7:15:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:15:53 PM" ) )1:15 PM
CNN: Experts: Plant workers' long-term health effects should be monitored
A whole-body dose cannot be compared to a dose received by people undergoing radiation therapy, as the radiation is targeted to a specific location, said Dr. Timothy Fox, head of Emory University's Division of Medical Physics.

by vasra at 3/30/2011 7:14:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:14:58 PM" ) )1:14 PM
Can I ask a question about the radiation screenings they were carrying out? Does anyone know what kind of "plastic" cover they were using on the probe? I ask because I wonder what kinds of radiation/contamination they are/were able to detect with that cover in place.

by pj at 3/30/2011 7:14:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:14:54 PM" ) )1:14 PM
Lessons from the past... Nature editorial www.nature.com

by Olivier at 3/30/2011 7:14:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:14:26 PM" ) )1:14 PM
@openmind Is not the pictures of the hole in the roof where they cut the hole themself to vent?

by Sin at 3/30/2011 7:13:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:13:37 PM" ) )1:13 PM
Nexus: UCSB assistant physics professor Ben Monreal is refuting claims of severe radiation from the meltdowns at Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant. www.dailynexus.com

by vasra at 3/30/2011 7:13:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:13:35 PM" ) )1:13 PM
@openmind The hole seems big enough to fit the steel containment vessels lid. And I think that this lid would be one of the few things to stay in one pieve when blasted into the air by an explosion of the magnitude we have seen.

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 7:13:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:13:23 PM" ) )1:13 PM
@Max: I do not know if you missed yesterday flutterings... :-) Everyone is pumped up so we are trying to organize with a purpose in mind. This feed is home #1. Meretisa created a closed FB group (#2) and a file cabinet of sorts where info can be, hopefully, organized in one place. The other group, Japan Nuclear Organize, (#3) is for an exchange of ideas on how to implement the project. We really need to establish some core goals first, IMHO. The goal is to keep this live blog intact and as it was when George put it together.

by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 7:13:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:13:02 PM" ) )1:13 PM
@derpa No controverse. I just don't like fukushima.wikispaces.com to be taken off the picks. But this is by no means religious ;-) Additions are ok if they are of certain value. No matter where. On the other hand: Lets keep postnig facts here! Maybe also somewehre else too. I just don't want to hunt too many sites to get facts & discussions about them. I don't really need frantic speculations here and elsewhere as they don't really help.

by Max at 3/30/2011 7:12:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:12:54 PM" ) )1:12 PM
@Reed This reinforces the whole cover-up theory. Its not like the "authorities" do not have adequate information, they just ain't sharing it.

by Sin at 3/30/2011 7:11:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:11:45 PM" ) )1:11 PM
Security cameras installed by Israeli defense company at Fukushima plant have ability to detect presence of radioactive clouds in air as well as thermal emissions. www.jpost.com

by Reed at 3/30/2011 7:10:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:10:12 PM" ) )1:10 PM
@elainekirk - Look at the size of that hole compared to the large objects next to the building
farm6.static.flickr.com

by openmind via Farm6.static.flickr at 3/30/2011 7:09:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:09:57 PM" ) )1:09 PM
@Sin Exactly

by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 7:09:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:09:41 PM" ) )1:09 PM
@George Gibb That was what I thought ...that this blog was for news, facts, sharing info so we could help one another determine truth from fiction, while the other blog was for the sole purpose of discussion of the organizing of a think tank to get ideas and solutions together to produce some sort of nuclear safety review and contact the press, governments, etc. to "change the world", in other words.

by Sin at 3/30/2011 7:08:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:08:27 PM" ) )1:08 PM
Suggestion: Perhaps 1 Blog/Page with a Headline brief description and link of News/Facts and 1 Blog/Page for discussing the News/Facts which would allow those that are watching our community the opportunity to discern what information we provide is relevant for them. What criteria has been established to define a credible source> Thank You and I hope everyone is remembering the joy we experienced when creating this community. A quote crom Charles Dubois "The important thing is this: To be ready at any moment to sacrafice what we are for what we could become"

by Tenzing at 3/30/2011 7:08:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:08:08 PM" ) )1:08 PM
I agree.

by Reed at 3/30/2011 7:06:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:06:39 PM" ) )1:06 PM
@Reed Yes, I discovered that about Israel. The US has Satellites, and you can even buy pics at DigitalGlobe www.digitalglobe.com they just haven't released anything but those on NHK, which first appeared on a site called www.godlikeproductions.com So their credibility is suspect to me.

by Sin at 3/30/2011 7:03:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:03:43 PM" ) )1:03 PM
@elainekirk ...lol...I wondered that also...unless it is an optical illusion, but what KIND of optical illusion

by MaryMary at 3/30/2011 7:03:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:03:36 PM" ) )1:03 PM
@max: what's so controversial about that wiki? looks useful to me.. not?

by derpa at 3/30/2011 7:03:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:03:29 PM" ) )1:03 PM
UK nuclear expert says much worse than Chernobyl & slams media cover-up rt.com
(scroll down to near page bottom for video) Sorry if already posted.

by Paul (UK) at 3/30/2011 7:02:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:02:57 PM" ) )1:02 PM
IAEA exists to protect the interests of industry and atomic energy

by oli333 at 3/30/2011 7:02:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:02:55 PM" ) )1:02 PM
The thing that intrigues me about the hole is that there appears to be a length of intact tracking in place how has anything entered/exited the hole without damaging it.

by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 7:02:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:02:28 PM" ) )1:02 PM
Five measurements of PU, all on site, 8 days ago? Ridiculous.

by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 7:02:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:02:05 PM" ) )1:02 PM
HUME not Jume. Sorry David!

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 7:01:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:01:24 PM" ) )1:01 PM
@Karen Warren 3 homes? ... Sorry - but why? I am interested in the facts & consequences. No conspirancy. Just working from worst case upwards instead of doing it the other way. Sometimes I wonder about off topics, but several sites wouldn't help in the case - in my mind

by Max at 3/30/2011 7:01:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:01:21 PM" ) )1:01 PM
@Pedro Jesus There is a paucity of data that IAEA reports. There should be hundereds of points where many isotopes are measured. There should be atmospheric measurements. It's a scandal.

by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 7:00:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:00:59 PM" ) )1:00 PM
@Pedro Jesus I trust only the people I know to tell the truth from my own experience. Everything else is in doubt. Why would (and how could) it be otherwise? Ever heard of Jume? "A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence"

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 7:00:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:00:57 PM" ) )1:00 PM
@Pedro Jesus If you study the IAEA cover up of Chernobyl in the conference right after Chernobyl, you will find out that they voted down (i.e. manipulated) the official radiation release figures measured by the Soviet experts. IAEA is not flawless, and it has been blamed for being a nuclear industry lobby & lap dog several times over. I don't think there is purely objective POV here. Everybody has some subjectivity. It's our job to draw our own conclusions. Nobody can do it for us.

by vasra at 3/30/2011 7:00:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:00:35 PM" ) )1:00 PM
@Salvador Apsolutly note specially as the Director of IAEF Japanese, probably in some way protects the Japanese government and Tepco.

by oli333 at 3/30/2011 7:00:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:00:18 PM" ) )1:00 PM
@Sin Regarding thermal images and radiation detection : "As the world continues to gaze with concern at Japan’s Fukushima nuclear power plant, hi-tech security cameras installed by an Israeli defense firm are recording events at the troubled core from an insider’s vantage point. The Arava-based Magna BSP company, which specializes in producing and installing stereoscopic sensory and thermal imaging cameras, had been contracted to place cameras around one of the plant’s six cores – the core that has been experiencing explosions and overheating..." www.zerohedge.com

by Reed at 3/30/2011 6:58:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:58:50 PM" ) )12:58 PM
I don't know about that Salvador, there have already been countless stories that could potentially hurt the nuclear field in Japan. I'm sure if the IAEA and TEPCO wanted these stories under wraps we would have not heard about the injured workers.

by ids at 3/30/2011 6:58:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:58:41 PM" ) )12:58 PM
@Salvador If you can't trust the IAEA you can't trust anybody else. Even Greenpeace has it's own agenda. The IAEA represents more than 100 countries in the world. The IAEA works closely with the United Nations Security Counsel. Tell me, please, if you don't trust these people is there left to trust?

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 6:56:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:56:44 PM" ) )12:56 PM
Sorrym I accidentally hit "enter" ... I wanted to state that I am not against fukushimafaq wiki. I just didn't want to support to take off fukushima.wikispaces.com from the pinboard.

by Max at 3/30/2011 6:55:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:55:11 PM" ) )12:55 PM

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Yes, the IAEA has some of their own people on "the ground" around Fukushima. So what? They are still nuclear industry lapdogs and they won't publish anything that could go against those interests. Look what they did after Chenobyl! Blix and cohorts reduced the numbers of expected cancer deaths resulting from that accident from the soviet version of 40.000 to 4000 (!!!). You can't trust the IAEA.

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 6:53:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:53:12 PM" ) )12:53 PM
@Max Yes, IAEA has sent one team to evaluate the situation and later on a second team to deploy detectors and take further samples and conduct analysis on the data. And their findings have so far corroborated TEPCO's data, so there is, at this point, no reason to distrust TEPCO's data on their website.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 6:52:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:52:20 PM" ) )12:52 PM
IEEE Spectrum reports more on Richard T. Lahey's assessment of what has happenED at Fukushima (3 meltdowns, one melted through PCV) : spectrum.ieee.org

by vasra at 3/30/2011 6:50:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:50:25 PM" ) )12:50 PM
@Pedro Jesus: "IAEA has deployed teams on the field so they do have their own data." Your information is incorrect. -> OK, If that's the case. According to their publications I didn't get this message until your reply. If it is so: my apologies

by Max at 3/30/2011 6:50:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:50:21 PM" ) )12:50 PM
Any links, photos, maps, interviews, whatever you can find about the situation should be posted here and then addressed.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 6:49:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:49:03 PM" ) )12:49 PM
@Max That's the whole point. You got it right.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 6:48:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:48:06 PM" ) )12:48 PM
Thank you @elaine Still not much to see in there though. Hmm.

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 6:46:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:46:40 PM" ) )12:46 PM
@elainekirk - It's easy to forget how large that hole really is

by openmind at 3/30/2011 6:46:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:46:37 PM" ) )12:46 PM
@fitter & Pedro: I am not against facts/data at all! But hy not here?!? Let's increase the facts here

by Max at 3/30/2011 6:45:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:45:34 PM" ) )12:45 PM
Someone asked for a blow up of 'the hole'

by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 6:45:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:45:12 PM" ) )12:45 PM
@Jay77 - Exactly

by openmind at 3/30/2011 6:44:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:44:47 PM" ) )12:44 PM
@Jay77 Yes, that is my understanding as well. Thanks for laying it down in a more clear form.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 6:43:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:43:56 PM" ) )12:43 PM
@Jay77 Thats what I meant.

by Sin at 3/30/2011 6:43:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:43:56 PM" ) )12:43 PM
@Max Agree to some degree on your IAEA credibility. However, if even they accept recriticality likelihood, then one can draw some conclusions from that. It's news, one way or the other, even if not in the way they mean themselves.

by vasra at 3/30/2011 6:43:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:43:50 PM" ) )12:43 PM
If there have to be two blogs, This should be the place for reporting news headlines & links, and commenting on them. The other one can be a place for producing new resources and ideas, since that takes some teamwork.

by Jay77 at 3/30/2011 6:42:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:42:40 PM" ) )12:42 PM
@Max IAEA has deployed teams on the field so they do have their own data. Your information is incorrect.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 6:42:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:42:38 PM" ) )12:42 PM
@vasra: Finally a 2nd source on the IAEA Vienna..
Sorry, to me IAEA is just a time delayed filter of TEPCO. No additional value at all. To be honest frm my point of view: Let's get rid of these paid "filtering echoes" Tey still have no own active informations at all after some weeks. This seems tobe acceptable aroud the globe....

by Max at 3/30/2011 6:41:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:41:37 PM" ) )12:41 PM
you might want to consider using www.vbulletin.com- it allows each topic to have it's own thread- and be very organized. websleuth.com uses it.

by inCalifornia at 3/30/2011 6:40:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:40:21 PM" ) )12:40 PM
@fitter, let me know. My email is in the fukushima faq page and I am on the other planning groups. Sounds like Radioguy can help me with photos & vid too. we can make a list and get doing.

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 6:39:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:39:41 PM" ) )12:39 PM
@all continued there.

by radioguy at 3/30/2011 6:38:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:38:12 PM" ) )12:38 PM
@Max In my opinion, this approach that we have here should be on the other blog and this blog should switch to a more factual information resource. A place where we lay down the information we collect and let people see for themselves and make their own judgement about the facts they are being provided. Discussions about it should be on the other blog. It doesn't take any time to post a link here and paste it to the other one at the same time (since you have to copy it in the first place, anyway). Again, this is my opinion.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 6:38:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:38:07 PM" ) )12:38 PM
it is linked here on top by the pinned messages, the one by George Gibb under 'think you can help' :)

by Kat at 3/30/2011 6:38:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:38:02 PM" ) )12:38 PM
other blog: www.scribblelive.com

by Kat at 3/30/2011 6:37:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:37:20 PM" ) )12:37 PM
@Max we are trying to preserve information at the fukushimafaq wiki so things important don't get lost in pages of conversation

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 6:36:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:36:48 PM" ) )12:36 PM
Radioguy do you want to grab half the images and me the other half?

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 6:35:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:35:59 PM" ) )12:35 PM
url?

by radioguy at 3/30/2011 6:35:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:35:48 PM" ) )12:35 PM
@radioguy could you switch the the second site

by fitter at 3/30/2011 6:35:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:35:31 PM" ) )12:35 PM
@Pedro Jesus Two blogs: The result is switching all the time may prove as a waste of resources? Why not stick to one (=here??) The same argument I stated at the beginnning of all the faceook activities. Vanishing informations because of wasted time to hunt the informations at various places. (my personal opinion)

by Max at 3/30/2011 6:35:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:35:12 PM" ) )12:35 PM
@fitter @Nancy I'll have some time free if needed. Good with Photoshop, intermediate in video.

by radioguy at 3/30/2011 6:33:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:33:59 PM" ) )12:33 PM
@kaykodh That what what I thought too...that this blog was for news and thoughts about facts....speculations, ec....and the other one was for organizing the movement you all talked about.

by Sin at 3/30/2011 6:33:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:33:12 PM" ) )12:33 PM
@Sin It is said to come from the SDF. If it looks not "quite right" to you that may be because the SDF did some "corrections" before publishing? Who knows?

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 6:31:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:31:37 PM" ) )12:31 PM
@Sin Ok, I don't want to ignore, but it will be detected everywhere on this globe, if you can measure it as exact as necessary. No fear at all right now or in the future for countries that far away.

by Max at 3/30/2011 6:31:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:31:09 PM" ) )12:31 PM
@Sin it was on NHK, here is big version for all reactors: www.infiniteunknown.net

by John via Infiniteunknown.net at 3/30/2011 6:30:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:30:57 PM" ) )12:30 PM
@vasra I agree.

by Sin at 3/30/2011 6:30:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:30:18 PM" ) )12:30 PM
@kaykodh well you are probably right... but if so then the only thing on this page should be qoutes, links and because we are not boots on the ground and all else is not "news" its it brainstorming and thats what produces solutions example I quess we have three sites now... but i will end here Sorry if i ofened anyone and i agree with nancy's post

by fitter at 3/30/2011 6:30:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:30:01 PM" ) )12:30 PM
@Sin Considering they avoided really bad criticality during the first 2 days, I think they are on the safer side. It could be chugging or something that they can deal with. But the water that is leaking straight through and which they have to keep pumping for "up to 3-5 years" according to NISA? If they let all that go to Pacific Ocean, their ideas of "sea contamination being local" is imho, not very reliable risk assessment. They still have zero idea how to gather and where to put the high radio active leaking cooling water, that they must keep on pumping all the time....

by vasra at 3/30/2011 6:29:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:29:31 PM" ) )12:29 PM
OPINION : Regarding the thermal image. Does anyone know who obtained this thermal image and have proof of he validity of it? I have searched for a long time for confirmation that this was not just a photo-shopped picture, but have found no reliable source nor any proof that it is a real thermal image. I have seen many thermal imaging photos and it just does not look real to me. Any thoughts?

by Sin at 3/30/2011 6:29:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:29:15 PM" ) )12:29 PM
@John Brilliant, thanks for blowing that up a bit. It's obvious that those 4 heat sources in the centre are the once that produce the steam we can see coming from there. I think they may be leaks in the containment. When I watched the SDF video from the 27 th I could clearly differentiate two steam sources in the centre, one on the nothern and one on the southern side of the object I identify as the steel containment vessel.

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 6:28:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:28:27 PM" ) )12:28 PM
@Vasra Thanks for the link. I also appreciate that there was more "meat" in the Reuters report, to me, a few more words of context.

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 6:28:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:28:02 PM" ) )12:28 PM
@fitter: I suggest creating videos on different subject matters on the Nuclear Organize page. I'm sure we have some video production folks on board.

by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 6:27:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:27:51 PM" ) )12:27 PM
@kgriff: Nearby reactors would have to be shut down due to the same reason.

On the other hand: They got into problems as their external power was washed away. It was obviously due a lost power connection above ground. An underground connection would have withstood a tsunami (I wonder why no one got the idea before me ... -> patent ... -> millions of USD ;-))

The problems may still have occured at the switchboards. Maybe these should have been built either waterproof or high above.

Mabe not helpful now, but an idea or "lessons learned"

by Max at 3/30/2011 6:26:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:26:55 PM" ) )12:26 PM
@Nancy, et al: When George comes back, please ask him to put a note up above letting people know about the 3 different homes we have now and the purpose of each. It might help eliminate confusion... a little bit. :-)

by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 6:26:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:26:17 PM" ) )12:26 PM
@vasra Wow. Can you believe these people?

by Sin at 3/30/2011 6:25:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:25:30 PM" ) )12:25 PM
@Salvador here is thermal image of reactor no 3: 3.bp.blogspot.com

by John via 3.bp.blogspot at 3/30/2011 6:25:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:25:24 PM" ) )12:25 PM
@Nancy I am trying to finish a buiness report due, and play voice mail.... but once i can get to the right person (even if i have to make a "donation" to thier choice) what i really need someone to help or better said do (i am very limited with computors and photos) is a package that we can e-mail and present some questions... ie the best of our explosion video, the marked up pictures of "what do you see" and also the pic of the Tergectories... i run a buisness and do not use computors other excel, so this is kicking my B...tt can you suggest who can help put the package together...

by fitter at 3/30/2011 6:24:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:24:20 PM" ) )12:24 PM

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Exports of Japanese seafood have been canceled by foreign buyers on concern that the products may have been contaminated by radiation leaking from the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant, a government official said. www.bloomberg.com

by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 6:24:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:24:17 PM" ) )12:24 PM
I'll repost my new No.3 reactor compilation for everyone who hasn't seen it. i.imgur.com

by Salvador via I.imgur at 3/30/2011 6:22:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:22:53 PM" ) )12:22 PM
The other blog isn't linked at the top. It probably should be?

by radioguy at 3/30/2011 6:22:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:22:40 PM" ) )12:22 PM
Finally a 2nd source on the IAEA Vienna conf today , and the question of possible re-criticality: www.trust.org
"In a potentially negative development, Flory said the agency had heard there might be "recriticality" at the plant, in which a nuclear chain reaction would resume, even though the reactors were automatically shut down at the time of the quake.

That could lead to more radiation releases, but it would not be "the end of the world," Flory said. "Recriticality does not mean that the reactor is going to blow up. It may be something really local. We might not even see it if it happens."

by vasra at 3/30/2011 6:21:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:21:50 PM" ) )12:21 PM
@Nancy, @fitter - That's what I thought the other blog was for, too - for organizing who researches what, with conclusions to be brought back here, insofar as people wanted to be organized that way. Otherwise, they would just continue posting thoughts (based on facts) here...

by kaykodh at 3/30/2011 6:21:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:21:40 PM" ) )12:21 PM
ah. will see what i cAN get later today

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 6:19:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:19:19 PM" ) )12:19 PM
@fitter Exactly, that's why we have the other blog. To keep this one for the hard data and serious debate about it and the other for more broad theorizing and brainstorming. At least, that what I understood. Otherwise there is not really a need for two blogs, if we're going to keep on speculating on this one.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 6:19:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:19:09 PM" ) )12:19 PM
i.imgur.com The hole in the roof of the No. 3 turbine hall.

by Salvador via I.imgur at 3/30/2011 6:18:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:18:14 PM" ) )12:18 PM
k. what are u looking for can do some photo manipulation

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 6:18:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:18:12 PM" ) )12:18 PM
@Nancy pics1,2,4,5,6,8

by fitter at 3/30/2011 6:17:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:17:24 PM" ) )12:17 PM
@Pedro Jesus I really tend to disagree... about the two pages, 70% of this site is based on opinion and speculation... There is very little Hard Data out there... but this IS a conversationton to have on the second page

by fitter at 3/30/2011 6:16:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:16:44 PM" ) )12:16 PM
@fitter - found - not seeing the numbering you mention. 1-19 rememer what one or description

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 6:15:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:15:37 PM" ) )12:15 PM
@ fitter, yea the quality of those is great

by Kat at 3/30/2011 6:14:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:14:50 PM" ) )12:14 PM
these are great picture...

by fitter at 3/30/2011 6:14:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:14:09 PM" ) )12:14 PM
Miniscule traces of radioactive waste from Japan detected in Israel www.haaretz.com

by Sin at 3/30/2011 6:14:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:14:01 PM" ) )12:14 PM
@Nancy top of page pinned salvador

by fitter at 3/30/2011 6:13:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:13:30 PM" ) )12:13 PM
@kgriff They need the power lines connected. So no real difference besides a questionable status of these "things"

by Max at 3/30/2011 6:13:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:13:19 PM" ) )12:13 PM
@fitter, I noticed that hole, too, but could not see what was inside.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 6:12:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:12:51 PM" ) )12:12 PM
fitter - where is the pic?

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 6:12:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:12:39 PM" ) )12:12 PM
@vasra what is the other blog?

by kgriff at 3/30/2011 6:12:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:12:14 PM" ) )12:12 PM
@fitter TY

by Reed at 3/30/2011 6:12:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:12:06 PM" ) )12:12 PM
@Nancy No, not because of aquarium pumps. 150cm "puddles" in whole turbine facility are no "puddles"

by Max at 3/30/2011 6:11:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:11:48 PM" ) )12:11 PM
@Max, no German politician ever had the nerve to turn the switch at Kalkar to "on". Perhaps, if we let the FDP....., just kiddn' ya!

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 6:11:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:11:32 PM" ) )12:11 PM
@ Pedro, my understanding was the other one was for planning activities to keep them out of here

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 6:11:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:11:25 PM" ) )12:11 PM
still working on it "in voice mail hell" and I trying to finish a report..., but hope to move on it later today... look at the pic flagged above #1/2/4/5/6/8 something big went through the roof of the building in front of #3

by fitter at 3/30/2011 6:11:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:11:12 PM" ) )12:11 PM
I'm back, nothing to do at work, was send back early. Has everyone seen my second No. 3 reactor picture compilation with the drone images?

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 6:11:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:11:09 PM" ) )12:11 PM
@kgriff Sounds doable, but perhaps this should go to the other blog? As per Pedo Jesus post below.

by vasra at 3/30/2011 6:11:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:11:01 PM" ) )12:11 PM
@Max. I think some people equate shutting off older at risk plants with shutting down all of them over night.

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 6:09:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:09:49 PM" ) )12:09 PM
@vasra The blog for open discussion (brainstorming, theorizing, etc.) about all matters directly or indirectly related to this subject is: www.scribblelive.com

by Pedro Jesus edited by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 6:09:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:09:35 PM" ) )12:09 PM
@gabe not sure on time frames, I'm not even sure the reactor types.... but yes a long time. Even if we decommision all nuclear plants now, we will still be dealing with them for years and years.

by Patrick Kelley at 3/30/2011 6:09:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:09:34 PM" ) )12:09 PM
@vasra I meant for the long-term site use, restart one reactor to run the site power needs and help pay for cleanup by making electricity.

by kgriff at 3/30/2011 6:09:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:09:24 PM" ) )12:09 PM
@fitter Were you able to contact your explosives experts ?

by Reed at 3/30/2011 6:08:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:08:36 PM" ) )12:08 PM
@Matsuoko We have no problem with that - unexpectedly ;-) however: A member of the now switching "special " party FDP now claims if we continue switching them off, it will endanger german industrial reliability. He didn't get the message: Yes, we cannot switch off everyone. But we can start to replace tem now, and we can put some pressure on these efforts now! And this can be done or started globally.

by Max at 3/30/2011 6:08:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:08:35 PM" ) )12:08 PM
@Pedro Jesus ty is there a text key (ie ty lol) that represents opinion?

by fitter at 3/30/2011 6:08:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:08:15 PM" ) )12:08 PM
@Pedro Jesus Ah, I didn't even know there were two blogs. Sorry. Will also stick to facts now :)

by vasra at 3/30/2011 6:07:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:07:59 PM" ) )12:07 PM
@Patrick Kelley I have heard anywhere from 10 - 50 years depending on the article. What is your est.?

by gabe at 3/30/2011 6:07:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:07:55 PM" ) )12:07 PM
@kgriff I don't understand. Pump what whater where? Water to reactors #1-#4? Those are already being pumped fresh water. Did you mean something else?

by vasra at 3/30/2011 6:07:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:07:30 PM" ) )12:07 PM
@fitter On second thought you might be right. But theorizing should go on the other blog. This one should remain for factual information only so that people who come for updated news can localize it without having to go through dozens of pages of technical and philosophical discussions. My opinion, though.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 6:06:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:06:42 PM" ) )12:06 PM
@matsuoko These plants are in "shutdown" it will be a few years to decommision/remove fuel/decontaminate.

by Patrick Kelley at 3/30/2011 6:06:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:06:32 PM" ) )12:06 PM
@vasra What if they restart 5 or 6 and use that power to pump coolant water to the other reactors?

by kgriff at 3/30/2011 6:05:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:05:43 PM" ) )12:05 PM
@max. using an aquarium pump?

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 6:05:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:05:25 PM" ) )12:05 PM
@Matsuoko That's roughly 6% of their primary energy generation. They have plenty of coal & natgas generation. www.spiegel.de

by vasra at 3/30/2011 6:04:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:04:48 PM" ) )12:04 PM
@Matsouko: Sounds to me as though they didn't shut the place down, they shut down the reactors.

by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 6:04:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:04:47 PM" ) )12:04 PM
NHK video just reports no. 1 turbine room doppet from 40 to 20 cm due to pumping activities within 7 days. Good luck required if you start at this rate someday at no. 2 at 1,5m

by Max at 3/30/2011 6:04:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:04:22 PM" ) )12:04 PM
@Matsuoko You mean they are not living in caves and using clubs?

by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 6:04:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:04:14 PM" ) )12:04 PM

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@Nancy ty

by fitter at 3/30/2011 6:03:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:03:55 PM" ) )12:03 PM
@Lethbridgean, as long as the absolute concentrations are that small, no official is going to sound alarm. The potential hazard I see is that it concentrates up in the food chain or that contaminated food is imported. This may take a while, but may linger. Someone posted here a few days ago that his sheep in Wales still showed elevated cesium levels today, 25 years after the accident at Chernobyl. Keep in mind that the release was much greater there.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 6:03:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:03:54 PM" ) )12:03 PM
strange: germany switched off 9 of their 17 nukes and the lights are still on ...

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 6:03:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:03:11 PM" ) )12:03 PM
Chesapeake bay foundation

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 6:03:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:03:09 PM" ) )12:03 PM
Meanwhile, the nuclear agency said TEPCO will take measures to improve conditions for workers who have been battling to put the situation under control at the Fukushima plant by preparing a variety of meals and spacious rest stations equipped with tatami mats. english.kyodonews.jp

by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 6:02:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:02:36 PM" ) )12:02 PM
@Peter Melzer @pedro J another contact in the chesapeake bay area would be the foundation that is addressing saving the oysters... we have grown some for them, I think its "save the bay foundation" they are very active... Pedro i disagree about it belonging on the other page... the food chain is of major issue that will effect us here...

by fitter at 3/30/2011 6:02:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:02:29 PM" ) )12:02 PM
IIRC those stations were down before the quake

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 6:02:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 6:02:09 PM" ) )12:02 PM
@Lethbridgean All part of the CIA conspiricy.(Sarcasm)

by gabe at 3/30/2011 5:58:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:58:37 PM" ) )11:58 AM
@Pedro Jesus - whoops, sorry! I'm still confused about what should go on what board...

by kaykodh at 3/30/2011 5:57:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:57:46 PM" ) )11:57 AM
@kaykodh That belongs to the other page: www.scribblelive.com

by Pedro Jesus edited by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 5:56:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:56:22 PM" ) )11:56 AM
@Nancy, if enough people ask for it, the US Fish and Wildlife Service may be pressured to step up checks in the food chain.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 5:56:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:56:15 PM" ) )11:56 AM
@Peter Melzer - did you see the news about radiation getting in the rain in Mass. & Penn. The other story that the detectors in California suddenly were down for maintenence last week?

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 5:56:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:56:03 PM" ) )11:56 AM
@Sin, all, - I'd say put the crowd-sourcing to work here. What are the risks/outcome of using a synthetic resin on the particles? What problems are they likely to encounter? What solutions might be offered to those problems? (Difficult, I know, without knowing the exact details...)

by kaykodh at 3/30/2011 5:53:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:53:30 PM" ) )11:53 AM
@Nancy - oh yes, TV, a great propaganda tool

by openmind at 3/30/2011 5:52:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:52:55 PM" ) )11:52 AM
@Max Thanks. I'll take a look. Fyi, I'm curious to see if there are rivers near the plant, esp. to the south.

by marie rich at 3/30/2011 5:52:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:52:19 PM" ) )11:52 AM
@Nancy Well, that commercial should be recent, not from the 50s, right? GE has been investing massively on research on renewable energy sources, afaik.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 5:50:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:50:59 PM" ) )11:50 AM
@Nancy, they are not worried about it quite yet, because not enough has landed over here. This may change later in the year.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 5:50:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:50:06 PM" ) )11:50 AM
Takes time, they'll proof read it.

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 5:48:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:48:50 PM" ) )11:48 AM
@Sin next great tepco experiment after sea water...

by John at 3/30/2011 5:48:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:48:49 PM" ) )11:48 AM
GE commercial just on TV "technology that is good for you, good for the environment, good for everyone" Um really?

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 5:48:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:48:19 PM" ) )11:48 AM
@Markfm Yup, nothing about the Vienna conf there... yet.

by vasra at 3/30/2011 5:48:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:48:14 PM" ) )11:48 AM
This is where I go when looking for an IAEA press conference transcript: iaea.org

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 5:47:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:47:38 PM" ) )11:47 AM
@NHK Listener U could be right :) We are just verifying. We need a second news source. there's now way to know - that's what I've learned during the two past weeks :)

by vasra at 3/30/2011 5:46:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:46:44 PM" ) )11:46 AM
Solution to combat particle dispersal to be tested at Japan plant By the CNN Wire Staff
March 30, 2011 1:03 p.m. EDT
STORY HIGHLIGHTS

* The solution to be sprayed includes a synthetic resin
* The resin will envelop nuclear particles, company says
* Spraying will start Thursday if radiation levels are safe for workers www.cnn.com

by Sin at 3/30/2011 5:46:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:46:15 PM" ) )11:46 AM
@vasra I give up you win

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 5:45:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:45:52 PM" ) )11:45 AM
@ Sin, completely insane, yea Matsuoko

by Kat at 3/30/2011 5:45:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:45:45 PM" ) )11:45 AM
@NHK Listener This FB IAEA report : j.mp . That is the standard IAEA daily briefing. It's not the Vienna conference transcript, AFAIK. At least, the info seems to different (cf. TIME reporting w/ the standard IAEA brief on FB).

by vasra at 3/30/2011 5:44:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:44:25 PM" ) )11:44 AM
@Sin : this was in the 40s in los alamos, right ?

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 5:43:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:43:51 PM" ) )11:43 AM
@Kat I read about that...crazy.

by Sin at 3/30/2011 5:43:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:43:16 PM" ) )11:43 AM
@all thank you for response

by kgriff at 3/30/2011 5:42:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:42:59 PM" ) )11:42 AM
@marie rich:
maps.google.de

or

maps.google.de

These look quite detailed to me.

by Max at 3/30/2011 5:42:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:42:57 PM" ) )11:42 AM
Random tangent: en.wikipedia.org 'second incident' is simply ridiculous :O "the only thing preventing (criticality) was the blade of a standard flathead screwdriver manipulated by the scientist's other hand." "The test was known as "tickling the dragon's tail" for its extreme risk, and was notoriously unforgiving of even the smallest mistake;" His hand slipped, he died. Horrible but omg, safety!

by Kat at 3/30/2011 5:41:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:41:56 PM" ) )11:41 AM
Page in the fukushima FAQ for cesium 137 contamination and data fukushimafaq.wikispaces.com

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 5:41:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:41:39 PM" ) )11:41 AM
@Markfm U are probably very right (re: re-criticality).

by vasra at 3/30/2011 5:40:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:40:14 PM" ) )11:40 AM
@Markfm The report is already out.. I said that.. There were not 2 conferences today just one. The iaea site says only one conference today.. no one listens

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 5:40:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:40:05 PM" ) )11:40 AM
@vasra Have you seen any 30 March reactor data? I found the 2 pm 29 March data, which shows decreases in 1 compared to 6 am 29 March, but haven't dug up any actual 30 March reports.

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 5:39:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:39:51 PM" ) )11:39 AM
I am going to start a page in the faq wiki for the cesium 137 information. If you know something please let me know or add it to that page. Please drop links in the if you find them and I am not around

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 5:39:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:39:42 PM" ) )11:39 AM
@Matsuoko According to the book Arsenals of Folly, one use was to inject it underneath the reactor complex. In another case they injected directly into RMBK to prevent a meltdown. books.google.com

by kgriff at 3/30/2011 5:39:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:39:03 PM" ) )11:39 AM
@kgriff Soviets used it @ Cherno for ground cooling. Not sure it would help. In a Loss Of Coolant Accident (LOCA) that has happened at units #1-#3, the alternative coolant needs to get as close to core as possible and circulate. This would mean inside the core. Liquid gases inside might create pressure volatility and chem reactions that nobody has modelled. That's one of the issues here - pretty much everything is out of spec at this point and they are re-writing the emergency cooling manual on the fly as they go. And doing a LOT of calcs to simulate effects.

by vasra at 3/30/2011 5:38:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:38:56 PM" ) )11:38 AM
@kgriff I believe the miners dug the tunnel under the reactor, they filled it with liquid nitogen to no effect, then used concrete.

by Sin at 3/30/2011 5:37:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:37:30 PM" ) )11:37 AM
I doubt it is slowness, MSNBC and Foxnews have had reports out on the conference, and none mention re-criticality. The Time report attributes to Bloomberg, and I don't show a current hit on recriticality at Bloomberg.

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 5:37:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:37:18 PM" ) )11:37 AM
@Matsuoko RE: Situation with unit #1. possible, but temp AND pressure on #1 are already beyond safe specs, as per Tepco daily briefings. And temp was still rising in the last report I read. Not very comforting.

by vasra at 3/30/2011 5:36:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:36:48 PM" ) )11:36 AM
@kgriff : do you want to destroy the vessels? ;)

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 5:36:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:36:30 PM" ) )11:36 AM
@vasra : possibly they try to balance cooling/pressure. they want to avoid more radiating water.

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 5:35:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:35:56 PM" ) )11:35 AM
Is the use of liquid nitrogen a possibility? I have read the Soviets used this for different purposes in some of their nuclear incidents.

by kgriff at 3/30/2011 5:35:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:35:56 PM" ) )11:35 AM

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@Pedro Jesus Yes, and IAEA has agreed that the evac zone should be increased (based on official measurements): www.monstersandcritics.com

by vasra at 3/30/2011 5:35:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:35:54 PM" ) )11:35 AM
@Bobby1 - I linked to the California lab (UCB - University of California Berkeley, Nuclear Engineering Dept) below.

by kaykodh at 3/30/2011 5:35:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:35:53 PM" ) )11:35 AM
@Nancy Here is a link about cesium 137 in US. www.newscientist.com

by Sin at 3/30/2011 5:35:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:35:51 PM" ) )11:35 AM
@Nancy There is an Alaska paper and a California lab reporting cesium, dont have links in front of me.

by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 5:34:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:34:56 PM" ) )11:34 AM
@marie rich the link of pic (salv)above has great areial pics, don't know what you are looking for

by fitter at 3/30/2011 5:34:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:34:08 PM" ) )11:34 AM
Greepeace suggests that evacuation zone should be extended to 40km around Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 5:34:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:34:08 PM" ) )11:34 AM
Google earth has a newer detailed sattelite picture of the plant complex

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 5:33:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:33:51 PM" ) )11:33 AM
contaminated ships shunned www.spiegel.de

by kgriff at 3/30/2011 5:32:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:32:14 PM" ) )11:32 AM
@Max : they found it in the ocean where the (secomdary) coolant goes in.

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 5:32:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:32:01 PM" ) )11:32 AM
@Max Thats my assessment as well.

by Sin at 3/30/2011 5:31:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:31:50 PM" ) )11:31 AM
@all Time article referencing neutron emissions and criticality... ecocentric.blogs.time.com

by LM at 3/30/2011 5:31:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:31:44 PM" ) )11:31 AM
@marie rich Really a map or try goole map, maybe bing? Google seems quite detailed

by Max at 3/30/2011 5:31:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:31:43 PM" ) )11:31 AM
@radioguy, I am not prone to hysteria or paranoia but it is starting to concern me that ALL the US sources and media are totally mum on cesium-137. Not even to say it is not here or low amounts so don't worry. This makes me now worry. I want data.

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 5:30:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:30:58 PM" ) )11:30 AM
@Matsuoko Thanks Matsuoko, Bob1 linked that as well. We are all still waiting for a second confirmation. It's odd that none of the press crew who were at IAEA Vienna conf have not tweeted or made a news release about this yet. Very, very odd. Or just slowness :)

by vasra at 3/30/2011 5:30:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:30:43 PM" ) )11:30 AM
@Nancy Right. Flag the one with the short half-life, call everyone's attention to it so you can say how fast it disappears. Ignore the elephants in the room. (Seems to be quite a herd building up in here.)

by radioguy at 3/30/2011 5:29:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:29:15 PM" ) )11:29 AM
@Jay77 Pressure building now anymore in #1, AFAIK. #2 and #3 show no signs of pressure increase or big temp fluctuations , regardless of pumping. That implies they are leaking through (from the bottom, via the control rod inlets). #1 is leaking steam, it has an "intact" PCV most likely, but the valve insulations in PCV are probably damaged (that's one theory anyway). That's why the pressure rises on #1. I'm more worried about the TEMP rise on #1, because these guys have been given an explicit order NOT to vent the radioactive steam outside manually. If the pressure keeps rising even with the water being pumped inside the reactor, it's either a melt-through via the bottom, hydrogen explosion inside risk OR then they have to vent the steam manually (I'd say would go for the last option).

by vasra at 3/30/2011 5:29:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:29:03 PM" ) )11:29 AM
Anybody have a detailed map of around the power plant? Something occured to me and I'd like to chk it out

by marie rich at 3/30/2011 5:28:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:28:49 PM" ) )11:28 AM
found it: "Has Fukushima's Reactor No. 1 Gone Critical?" ecocentric.blogs.time.com

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 5:28:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:28:11 PM" ) )11:28 AM
I have lost the traces of a discussion today when I watched the blog in the office: The rumours, that the high levels of ratiation in the sea have been detected in the area of no. 5&6.

This could make sense as theree may be the best intact sensors.

But the small fire at Daini, the rumours of broken pipes before the Tsnami make me wonder if in 5 & 6 everything is so ok as we hope to believe. I still wonder about the quick ups and downs of temperature in the spent fuel pools. This is by no means normal for me. If they have to switch systems on and of due to power consumpion it is ok for me. But that was not published so far. For a safe condition I'd say there is something wrong too.

Not the biggest problem, but maybe not so safe as we hope. Same goes for Daini. Fires don't break out regularly in switchboards.
-> Was the high radiation only detected by the 5 & 6 systems or leaked it out of them?

by Max at 3/30/2011 5:27:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:27:40 PM" ) )11:27 AM
@Nancy - UCB is tracking CS134 and Cs137 in water and air. www.nuc.berkeley.edu

by kaykodh at 3/30/2011 5:27:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:27:11 PM" ) )11:27 AM
@vasra : From Bobyb1:'s link please link ?

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 5:26:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:26:51 PM" ) )11:26 AM
Greenpeace very concerned about human exposure to radiation in a large area around Fukushima Daiichi power plant.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 5:26:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:26:36 PM" ) )11:26 AM
@Jay77, the openings must be small and it may take time to seep out. The delay allows some pressure to build.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 5:23:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:23:44 PM" ) )11:23 AM
@Pedro Jesus Thanks!

by Jill in Sweden at 3/30/2011 5:22:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:22:21 PM" ) )11:22 AM
@Jill in Sweden My neighbour friend who lives upstairs from me is Swedish. Let me know if you need anything translated to English. She is actually a professional technical translator (Swedish to English, Swedish to German).

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 5:21:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:21:50 PM" ) )11:21 AM
But still waiting for other sources to confirm criticality. But TIME is usually a fairly decent source. Their reporter was onsite @ Vienna.

by vasra at 3/30/2011 5:21:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:21:40 PM" ) )11:21 AM
@Nancy yes I agree sounds so strange... must say I am a little proud of the Swedish Authorities today

by Jill in Sweden at 3/30/2011 5:21:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:21:40 PM" ) )11:21 AM
ZAMG for the March 30, 2011 out: www.zamg.ac.at

by kgriff at 3/30/2011 5:21:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:21:35 PM" ) )11:21 AM
@Pedro Jesus, ... perhaps that some fallout precipitated in hot spots.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 5:21:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:21:18 PM" ) )11:21 AM
@Bobby1 From Bobyb1:'s link : "The IAEA has said that the Fukushima nuclear power plant may have achieved re-criticality. “There is no final assessment,” IAEA nuclear safety director Denis Flory said at a press conference on Wednesday, according to Bloomberg News. “This may happen locally and possibly increase the releases.”"

by vasra at 3/30/2011 5:20:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:20:58 PM" ) )11:20 AM
@Nancy Earlier you asked about Cesium-137 disbursion... enenews.com

by Reed at 3/30/2011 5:20:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:20:57 PM" ) )11:20 AM
I take it as a "no" that there is any new report of criticality, or it would have been above-the-fold headline news. MSNBC's coverage of the conference doesn't mention it, just notes that the IAEA has indeed found higher-than-normally-allowed levels of radiation outside the 20 km zone (essentially reaffirming GP's assertion that there are some worrisome levels) www.msnbc.msn.com

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 5:20:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:20:38 PM" ) )11:20 AM
@Jill that is very interesting. US govt won't even mention cesium. This is starting to really worry me. They report iodine readings and had early on dismissed cesium as not an issue as in it won't get here.

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 5:20:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:20:24 PM" ) )11:20 AM
ecocentric.blogs.time.com

by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 5:19:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:19:29 PM" ) )11:19 AM
The Swedish Radiation Safety Authority has published measured levels of I-181 Cs-134 and Cs-137 in the air in several Swedish locations today - here is the link to the page in Swedish (can't trantslate it all but the table is pretty easy to read regardless of language). Normal/typical values for Cs-137 are 0,002 milliBq/m3 (during first 6 months of 2009 for comparison) and today they are 0,150 milliBq/m3 which is like 100x higher if I get all the data correct. I suppose it is safe to assume this is from Fukushima, even though they don't explicitly say that, they just publish the data. So @Nancy, it can travel to Sweden from Japan (but of course very small amounts) but it tells you something about how far it CAN go.
www.stralsakerhetsmyndigheten.se
Ths is their info about the health relevance:
"A measurement of 0.3 mBq/m3 (milli Becquerel) in the air for iodine-131 corresponds to a radiation dose of 0.000001 mSv if you inhale it in one day (24 hours). That compares with:
an ordinary dental X-rays (two pictures) that give an approximate dose of 0.005 mSv.
a flight to New York (one way) to give an approximate dose of 0.05 mSv.
The natural background radiation that we are always exposed to, for example, from the rock and the atmosphere gives an approximate dose of 1-2 mSv per year."

by Jill in Sweden at 3/30/2011 5:18:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:18:09 PM" ) )11:18 AM
@Peter Melzer @vasra - I still don't understand how that much water can be basically running right through the reactors, but yet pressure is still maintained...

by Jay77 at 3/30/2011 5:18:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:18:04 PM" ) )11:18 AM
@Peter Melzer Agree. That's leakage too, though. Just different pathway and phase. In fact, I'm perhaps more worried about the steam, as it's airborne, unlike liquid water. Not that I'm particularly happy about the latter either.

by vasra at 3/30/2011 5:17:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:17:24 PM" ) )11:17 AM
@vasra, I always thought they were more like sieves, but some water must evaporate. Otherwise we would not see any steam.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 5:16:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:16:19 PM" ) )11:16 AM
@Nancy :) ZH was reporting on the IAEA conf...

by vasra at 3/30/2011 5:16:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:16:07 PM" ) )11:16 AM
IAEA is using zero hedge as a source? Or did a reporter ask?

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 5:15:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:15:19 PM" ) )11:15 AM
@Nancy At IAEA press conf today, "re-criticality at Fukushima" was apparently mentioned, but the source was Zero Hedge :D . Everybody's still waiting for confirmation and explanation of what that means. Dean (before he left) opined that it's probably low intensity situation, even if true.

by vasra at 3/30/2011 5:14:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:14:32 PM" ) )11:14 AM
@Nancy There is no confirmation on criticality having been reached; only speculation.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 5:14:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:14:30 PM" ) )11:14 AM
Thanks Vasra. Will wait for that information then.

by Jeff at 3/30/2011 5:14:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:14:24 PM" ) )11:14 AM
Rumors going around about #2, but I still can't tell if that's real new news vs. a rehash of thoughts a few days back.

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 5:14:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:14:08 PM" ) )11:14 AM
I obviously missed something in my computer problem. Did something reach re-criticality?

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 5:13:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:13:21 PM" ) )11:13 AM

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@Jeff RE: re-criticality at Fukushima Still waiting for more news on that. Waiting for that Vienna conf transcript to appear online.

by vasra at 3/30/2011 5:12:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:12:42 PM" ) )11:12 AM
uups, reverse release. The fukushima.wikispaces.com is the good collection, the other is not important for me as of now.

by Max at 3/30/2011 5:12:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:12:35 PM" ) )11:12 AM
@vasra So we have yet another independent authority outside Japan corroborating TEPCO's data, I am right? That is a good sign.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 5:12:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:12:12 PM" ) )11:12 AM
According to Finnish National Broadasting interview from the STUK expert (see below), the French are the only one who have robots for removing "hot" spent fuel rods and stuff from the Fukushima site. But even operating those robots on the Fukushima explosion sites requires a lot of clean up first.

by vasra at 3/30/2011 5:12:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:12:03 PM" ) )11:12 AM
A basic understanding of geology would contradict this guy.

by Sin at 3/30/2011 5:11:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:11:41 PM" ) )11:11 AM
@Karen Warren, yeah, hose gadgets have got an amplification switch. You must set it to the right range to begin. The three electricians last week just ignored the warning when the thingy went beyond. The workers must be under great stress.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 5:11:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:11:32 PM" ) )11:11 AM
@George Gibb Sorry. I don't even want to think of that now - maybe later. Unless we have power again within one or two hours there will be no immediate danger,

however...

we may have to enjoy up to 400 permanent candles quite quickly.

Discussions about that won't help to solve or clarify the current japanese emergency situation.
Therefore: not go into it now in my personal eyes, but if anyone still tells me anything is safe I get at least frightened.

by Max at 3/30/2011 5:11:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:11:29 PM" ) )11:11 AM
Can someone explain what the IAEA might be saying when they talk about re-criticality at Fukushima?

by Jeff at 3/30/2011 5:11:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:11:28 PM" ) )11:11 AM
@Markfm: No, please let it here too. It's a good collection. Also for some people in Japan because of the many radiation links and links to this site for checking their local current situation efficiently.

by Max at 3/30/2011 5:11:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:11:26 PM" ) )11:11 AM
@Markfm: Sorry - my Error: I meant the valuable page is: fukushima.wikispaces.com My Mistake!

by Max at 3/30/2011 5:11:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:11:24 PM" ) )11:11 AM
@Markfm Yeah I had heard that too

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 5:10:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:10:35 PM" ) )11:10 AM
@Markfm I read that too...

by Sin at 3/30/2011 5:10:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:10:26 PM" ) )11:10 AM
The Finnish Radiation Safety Authority expert (STUK) said today in an interview, that based on their assessment, the reactor(s) are not slightly leaking water - they are leaking all of the water that is being pumped inside, roughly 10 m^3/hr or so (depending on pumping flow rate). He also said that the final "control" of the situation is achieved when there is a close loop (non-leaking) water system in place with permanent pumps. Until then, it's 'stable', but can still worsen, because accidents can happen. He also believes that Tepco is not purposefully misleading data, but that the situation is chaotic, so errors can happen. Ref (in FINNISH): areena.yle.fi

by vasra at 3/30/2011 5:10:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:10:22 PM" ) )11:10 AM
What I've heard so far indicates the units are built right down to bedrock. Maybe they aren't, but pretty sure I recall seeing that.

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 5:09:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:09:54 PM" ) )11:09 AM
@NHK Listener The same can be said about GoJ, Tepco, IAEA, NISA, NRC, just about everything. We could just toss everything about the window on that criteria. Be vigilant, use your own head and confirm, but don't fall for dogma or bias yourself. That's the best way to stay on top. GP has broken some facts here before than others and those facts have been re-verified by other parties. Looks useful to me.

by vasra at 3/30/2011 5:09:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:09:32 PM" ) )11:09 AM
@Matt McCain Something seems fishy about that guy's analysis. Doesn't jive with anything else we've seen from any other expert, and his credentials don't seem all that impressive.

by Jay77 at 3/30/2011 5:08:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:08:50 PM" ) )11:08 AM
I am here now @Jill. My computer decided to quit updating the page.

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 5:08:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:08:40 PM" ) )11:08 AM
[Green Peace]: Evacuation efforts should focus on areas with higher contamination. "There are areas as far as 40km from the nuclear plant that present higher levels of radiation than areas closer to the plant, within the 20km evacuation zone."

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 5:08:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:08:13 PM" ) )11:08 AM
@vasra About greenpeace.. You can't be a little bit pregnant

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 5:07:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:07:55 PM" ) )11:07 AM
@Marie www.nisa.meti.go.jp is the 2 pm 29 March reactor data, I haven't seen any for the actual 30th

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 5:07:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:07:24 PM" ) )11:07 AM
I don't know if this is useful to any of you but it is all the plant data 2001-2009 www.tepco.co.jp Can I ask without sounding totally ignorant I hope, whether it says there are 284.000 drums of used waste stored on site ?

by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 5:07:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:07:19 PM" ) )11:07 AM
@Matt McCain Seems like this guy is just speculating, much like we all are....however, I have seen better speculation on here than this guy's opinion. Besides, concerning the water table and Chernobyl, that was a dry graphite reactor. This situation is completely different, and the cores have not been kept dry and are not isolated from water like at Chernobyl, making explosion from exposure to water a non-issue. At least this is my understanding. Plus, seeing as it is located right on the coast, I don't see how the water table issue is even a consideration.....not as opposed to introduction to the sea, which seems to already be happening. Any experts correct me if I am wrong.

by Sin at 3/30/2011 5:06:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:06:31 PM" ) )11:06 AM
@Marie -- Different plant, the panel was at Daini, not Daiichi, appears to have been an honestly minor event.

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 5:06:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:06:17 PM" ) )11:06 AM
Maybe delete the news sticky above, pointer to fukushimafaq.wikispaces.com add a link to the other scribble page?

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 5:05:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:05:46 PM" ) )11:05 AM
limk www.tepco.co.jp

by marie rich at 3/30/2011 5:05:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:05:10 PM" ) )11:05 AM
Good morning. Late to the party but have caught up w/ links (George, et al :) ). The fire at elec panel for #1 is of concern because of rising temp and pressure. Also, I notice that they've much decreased the water they're putting in. *opinion* #1 has to be watched, esp fro an emergency venting, which will drive up atmospheric rad.

by marie rich at 3/30/2011 5:04:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:04:59 PM" ) )11:04 AM
I'm going through the Greenpeace Press conference now, and they say they found more radiation further from the nuclear power plant than closer on to it. What would this mean?

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 5:00:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 5:00:47 PM" ) )11:00 AM
I don't know if this is a topic we should bring up, but with the solar maximum on it's way www.spaceweather.com and the "telegraph blackout in 1859 www.thenational.ae I truly believe unless a reactor can withstand a full power grid failure (this means batteries are gone too) We cannot have a safe nuclear program.

History tells us that this is coming folks. The plants need to have a contingency for this, and I see no way for |these plants to survive if this were to happen.
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by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 4:59:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:59:41 PM" ) )10:59 AM
@NHK Listener Even GP is unlikely to lie about radiation measurements and their Itata readings have already been officially re-measured and confirmed. Read their data, not their conclusions. Just as with anybody else.

by vasra at 3/30/2011 4:58:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:58:20 PM" ) )10:58 AM
@Duncan @Nancy Are you here now? You asked specific questions that I have info about.

by Jill in Sweden at 3/30/2011 4:58:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:58:02 PM" ) )10:58 AM
@NHK Listener Yep, but it's their standard daily briefing. In addition, they held a big news conf today at Vienna to accredite journalists at 14:30 UTC. The transcript for that has not yet hit the web. That includes information about re-criticality at Fukushima and information about higher than evac level soil radiation beyond the 20km evac zone. That's the one I'm waiting for (the transcript that is). It's slowly leaking via news tippets now.

by vasra at 3/30/2011 4:57:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:57:37 PM" ) )10:57 AM
Since when is greenpeace a reliable source for information.. they have an agenda.

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 4:57:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:57:30 PM" ) )10:57 AM
@vasra The one on facebook is todays

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 4:56:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:56:11 PM" ) )10:56 AM
@Matt McCain I don't think it will. Not anymore. Not unless they really screw up royally. That's a laymans' assessment, so TFWIW.

by vasra at 3/30/2011 4:56:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:56:09 PM" ) )10:56 AM
When the Fukushima Meltdown Hits Groundwater
March 27, 2011 By Dr. Tom Burnett hawaiinewsdaily.com

by Matt McCain at 3/30/2011 4:55:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:55:43 PM" ) )10:55 AM
hawaiinewsdaily.com

by Matt McCain at 3/30/2011 4:55:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:55:39 PM" ) )10:55 AM
When the Fukushima Meltdown Hits Groundwater
March 27, 2011
By Dr. Tom Burnett
hawaiinewsdaily.com

by Matt McCain at 3/30/2011 4:55:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:55:32 PM" ) )10:55 AM
greenpeace link is here www.ustream.tv

by sublimator at 3/30/2011 4:55:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:55:26 PM" ) )10:55 AM
@Sin It was an electrical power panel fire, sounds like it was isolated to a board.

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 4:53:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:53:46 PM" ) )10:53 AM
@Peter Melzer I have read numerous ORNL/DOE/DOD technical papers as of late...seeing what they engaged in in the 50s and 60s is quite alarming.

by Sin at 3/30/2011 4:53:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:53:20 PM" ) )10:53 AM
@Sin, they should know. There are huge swaths of fenced in land there with radiation hazard sign pinned to the fences. Early in the Manhattan Project, solid waste management entailed dispersing the material over large areas. No kidding!

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 4:51:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:51:46 PM" ) )10:51 AM
@NHK Listener exactly, thanks. That's the one I was referring to. Still looking for today's Vienna IAEA press conf transcript. Hope it comes online soon.

by vasra at 3/30/2011 4:51:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:51:45 PM" ) )10:51 AM
@vasra I posted a link to the iaea press page for daily events

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 4:50:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:50:57 PM" ) )10:50 AM
@Pedro Jesus Look at earlier recordings for yesterday's greenpeace press briefing. But yes, GP is now offline. The whole of UStream is online (i.e. working)

by vasra at 3/30/2011 4:50:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:50:46 PM" ) )10:50 AM
So, have they said anything else about the smoke coming from the Dai-ini turbine room?

by Sin at 3/30/2011 4:50:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:50:13 PM" ) )10:50 AM

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TEPCO readings updated: www.tepco.co.jp

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 4:50:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:50:00 PM" ) )10:50 AM
That IAEA FB page is NOT the Vienna press conference transcript as I assumed, but apparently the daily IAEA brief

by vasra at 3/30/2011 4:49:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:49:39 PM" ) )10:49 AM
Personal monitoring units can be bought that are linear up to 3.5 S/hr measurement: www.canberra.com not all that exotic, used by groups like fire departments.

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 4:49:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:49:34 PM" ) )10:49 AM
Working link for the IAEA press brief facebook page : j.mp

by vasra at 3/30/2011 4:48:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:48:46 PM" ) )10:48 AM
@vasra Ustream appears to be off-line. Could you confirm?

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 4:48:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:48:22 PM" ) )10:48 AM
@Matsuoko, not on amazon. Something to check. I only bought them professionally at licensed institutions. We had a source in high school though. At that time sources under 1 microCi where uncontrolled.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 4:48:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:48:15 PM" ) )10:48 AM
IAEA Briefing on Fukushima Nuclear Accident (30 March 2011, 16:30 UTC)

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 4:47:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:47:19 PM" ) )10:47 AM
Found this link on radiation yesterday. Has quite a few links here, best info I have found to date.

www.ornl.gov

by Sin at 3/30/2011 4:46:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:46:50 PM" ) )10:46 AM
www.facebook.com!/notes/international-atomic-energy-agency-iaea/iaea-briefing-on-fukushima-nuclear-accident-30-march-2011-1630-utc/206017149428079

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 4:46:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:46:31 PM" ) )10:46 AM
Greenpeace press conf video recordings from yesterday @ UStream : ustre.am

by vasra at 3/30/2011 4:44:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:44:56 PM" ) )10:44 AM
@Kat The press conference was 2 hours ago. www.iaea.org

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 4:43:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:43:37 PM" ) )10:43 AM
@Matsouko: Not my point. I am going to look for industry standards in the US (because we have it) and compare to Japan first. Next question to be answered: Are TEPCO current devices up to par, so to speak?

by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 4:42:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:42:30 PM" ) )10:42 AM
@Markfm OK, That atricle Karen posted relays the decision that the trench is less critical than the reactor, so they're just going to overflow the R1 trench.

by radioguy at 3/30/2011 4:41:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:41:35 PM" ) )10:41 AM
@Karen Warren, I second dean, your white blood cell count begins to drop at absorbed doses greater than 1000 mSv = 1 Sv = 100 rem to the whole body. The chances over acquiring acute radiation syndrome are extremely high, if you stay there for an hour.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 4:41:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:41:26 PM" ) )10:41 AM
I constructed a free MoreOver Fukushima RSS news feed out of the better quality news sources. Catches more than Google News does. Here ya go : p.moreover.com

by vasra at 3/30/2011 4:39:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:39:56 PM" ) )10:39 AM
Sticking to agenda: Nuke energy has potential for rising electricity without CO2: Obama (01:11) (Kyodo News)

by Dom at 3/30/2011 4:39:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:39:41 PM" ) )10:39 AM
@Sin: Eeek. That's dai-ini I think

by Alin at 3/30/2011 4:39:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:39:39 PM" ) )10:39 AM
@Peter Melzer : well, you can buy calibration probes as well.

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 4:38:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:38:36 PM" ) )10:38 AM
@Peter M: Thanks. If you read the quote, you can, hopefully, understand where I am coming from. If the devices are limited, readings are then artificially. Has to go to the safety issue (background: Med Imaging Mgmt) and also a keen eye for negligence.

by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 4:38:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:38:18 PM" ) )10:38 AM
Did you all see this? Power company says smoke spotted at another Japanese nuclear plant
By the CNN Wire Staff-March 30, 2011 -- Updated 1302 GMT (2102 HKT)---Daiini edition.cnn.com

by Sin at 3/30/2011 4:38:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:38:17 PM" ) )10:38 AM
@Karen Warren, check with Ludlum here: www.ludlums.com

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 4:35:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:35:05 PM" ) )10:35 AM
The Priesthood of the Elephant's Foot bldgblog.blogspot.com

by Jay77 at 3/30/2011 4:34:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:34:59 PM" ) )10:34 AM
@All So how's the trench holding up?

by radioguy at 3/30/2011 4:33:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:33:48 PM" ) )10:33 AM
@dean, what do you need checked?

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 4:33:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:33:40 PM" ) )10:33 AM
@Nancy, that has got the ring of truth to it. I checked for one on amazon last week and it sold out overnight. Unless you buy a high end one, you may be disappointed. There are several things worth considering here. The counters will not detect alpha-radiation and, unless you are close to the source, will not detect beta-radiation either. Leaves gamma-radiation, which may be good for iodine-131 and cesium-137. But how can we make sure that our counter works properly? In order to calibrate it, we need a radioactive source of known content, and we must be able to re-check periodically. How is the regular Joe supposed to do that?

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 4:33:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:33:02 PM" ) )10:33 AM
@ Andy, is there a live link to the press conference?

by Kat at 3/30/2011 4:33:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:33:01 PM" ) )10:33 AM
@Andy Not sure about a press conference? wwitv.com

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 4:31:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:31:30 PM" ) )10:31 AM
I will be back... see you all in a bit.. keep up the good work..

by dean at 3/30/2011 4:30:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:30:05 PM" ) )10:30 AM
some one should research .. nuclear radiation measurement devices...

by dean at 3/30/2011 4:28:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:28:47 PM" ) )10:28 AM
Hello all. Here's some chronology information for those tracking the event times, temperatures, and pressures : oi51.tinypic.com

by Reed via Oi51.tinypic at 3/30/2011 4:28:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:28:37 PM" ) )10:28 AM
karen.. the main company at least in my past is REUTER-STOKES.. .for measurement meters.. and.. THEY MUST have meters that read higher... there is one web site called. www.fairewinds.com who is the manager that was involved at TMI and his assessment videos are very good... he says that water they are discussing is reading 100REM/hr... which means that if a man stood there for 2 hours he could reach lethal doses....

by dean at 3/30/2011 4:28:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:28:13 PM" ) )10:28 AM
I'm pretty sure they've increased #1 water delivery, to knock the temperature down, perhaps it is somehow sourcing from there, but that is purely idle speculation.

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 4:26:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:26:05 PM" ) )10:26 AM
thats some article karen..

by dean at 3/30/2011 4:26:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:26:03 PM" ) )10:26 AM
Yes I notice all of the financial rags are on it.

by radioguy at 3/30/2011 4:25:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:25:00 PM" ) )10:25 AM
@Dean: Specifically, "Those levels may be higher still, but authorities say 1,000 millisieverts is the upper limit of their measuring devices." Are the device standards higher in the US? By chance, do you know the biggest supplier? TIA

by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 4:24:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:24:39 PM" ) )10:24 AM
@Radioman @bobby1 I am still looking for the transcript. Apparently Bloomberg is reporting this as well but it is from the live IAEA press conference that is still ongoing.

by Andy at 3/30/2011 4:24:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:24:01 PM" ) )10:24 AM
I will check those fitter when I get back from work.. I must go now... let me answer vasra.... I believe they were talking #2,,, and. .if there were some sort of re-criticality the building with the containment isomewhat intact and reactor vessel is best.. and not the spent fuel pools

by dean at 3/30/2011 4:23:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:23:40 PM" ) )10:23 AM
Good Morning! @Dean: Did you see this? online.wsj.com

by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 4:23:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:23:09 PM" ) )10:23 AM
@Markfm @all Would plutonium irradiation of the seawater create radioactive iodine?

by radioguy at 3/30/2011 4:21:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:21:52 PM" ) )10:21 AM
@Markfm Does anyone know whether they're checking just what is there at the time tested? If that is the case, you'd think it would have a lot to do with how much water they're dumping on the reactors - ie: more water on the reactors means more runoff means more in the ocean. Assuming, of course, that we're talking about runoff being the source.

by pj at 3/30/2011 4:20:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:20:53 PM" ) )10:20 AM
@dean Did they mention the unit #? Now assuming that #1 is water leaking and #2 & #3 are steam leaking, where would you rather thave re-criticality? Also, assuming LOCA on all 3 units, would it be smaller scale "chugging" or something a tad more harder to cool?

by vasra at 3/30/2011 4:20:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:20:43 PM" ) )10:20 AM
ty george... I'm probably an oxymoron at best. HA HA ... YOU know like military intelligence.. he he

by dean at 3/30/2011 4:20:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:20:39 PM" ) )10:20 AM
@Vasra -- not sure what the IAEA used, but Greenpeace measured at 100 microS/hr on a road between two villages outside the 20km zone.

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 4:20:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:20:32 PM" ) )10:20 AM
@dean Thank you for sharing your knowledge - I went searching after Reuters took down their board to find where you went. You always seem to share good, salient info (is that redundant?! LOL!).

by pj edited by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 4:19:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:19:41 PM" ) )10:19 AM
@dean I would think the pond would work better if it weren't situated in an earthquake-prone region. Are there concerns associated with trying to do that near the Fukushima plant(s)

by pj at 3/30/2011 4:19:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:19:40 PM" ) )10:19 AM

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(The iodine is in seawater)

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 4:19:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:19:11 PM" ) )10:19 AM
@Dean Curious about any insight into what might have caused the big spike in Iodine release. It had been up to around 1800X Monday, apparently decreased a good amount Tuesday, but then on Wed the measurement went up to over 3300x legal limit. english.kyodonews.jp

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 4:18:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:18:49 PM" ) )10:18 AM
Trying to gather info what was said at today's IAEA press conf. So far: Possible ongoing re-criticality (ZH, bad ref), official rad readings beyond the 20km zone are higher than evac levels, "as a ratio it was about two times higher" than levels at which the agency recommends evacuations" (ref: AP). Not much else that I can find of.

by vasra at 3/30/2011 4:18:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:18:17 PM" ) )10:18 AM
@dean Just my kind of person, have you looked at the links to the pictures above... #10/17 give P&id's dont't read japanise so i don't know if its this plant. what reactor. or just a boiler plate.. they show what valves/components should be inside contaiment vessel vs contaiment bld ect.. not many isolation valves show... but this is only one drawing, but it is possible to trace the systems...

by fitter at 3/30/2011 4:18:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:18:14 PM" ) )10:18 AM
Peter. that's exactly what they do at some sites for LOW LEVEL waste.. they line the ponds that are made to specs.... and monitor under the liner and around the pond and then put the low level waste in and let it evaporate.

by dean at 3/30/2011 4:17:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:17:33 PM" ) )10:17 AM
on the report that I have just listened to briefly on CNN.. it wasn't detailed in any manner to explain the new vapor coming off the #2 plant... I'll have to get updates when I return,,, we all have talked about the potential for some sort of critical mass forming and then having minor criticality,,, these would be short lived and not sustained. The severity isn't expected to be a huge explosion as seen with the HYDROGEN but there could be releases of fresh fission particles to environment (air/ water) and it may increase the general radiation levels...

by dean at 3/30/2011 4:16:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:16:40 PM" ) )10:16 AM
@Jay77, I guess in modern times you could dig out huge ponds and line them with something impenetrable.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 4:16:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:16:33 PM" ) )10:16 AM
@Andy Anyone have anything on this beside the zerohedge reference?

by RadioMan at 3/30/2011 4:15:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:15:19 PM" ) )10:15 AM
@vasra That's an excellent point.

by RadioMan at 3/30/2011 4:13:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:13:38 PM" ) )10:13 AM
fitter.. I am a nuclear engineer with somewhere around 37 years experience in reactor operations and retired and now am doing consulting work for reactor safety, operations and long outage planning

by dean at 3/30/2011 4:12:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:12:05 PM" ) )10:12 AM
@Andy Are they talking about #2?

by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 4:11:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:11:53 PM" ) )10:11 AM
Just a comment. I notice Huffington Post finally admitted it's news again. What a slide the AOL purchase put them into.

by RadioMan at 3/30/2011 4:10:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:10:44 PM" ) )10:10 AM
@dean Good moring, do you mind if i ask what your occupation is?? You seem well versed in many subject?

by fitter at 3/30/2011 4:10:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:10:28 PM" ) )10:10 AM
good morning.. I wanted to check in ,,, I have to continue with my work this morning but will carve out time this afternoon to come back for some time

by dean at 3/30/2011 4:07:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:07:12 PM" ) )10:07 AM
Did anybody watch the IAEA conference that started 14:30 UTC today?

by vasra at 3/30/2011 4:06:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:06:32 PM" ) )10:06 AM
IAEA says there might be re-criticality at Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant: www.zerohedge.com

by Andy at 3/30/2011 4:05:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:05:56 PM" ) )10:05 AM
@Markfm RE: Tanker. Thanks for the info. The tanker solution would of course has to be a temporary solution as well. Also, very, very expensive as the tanker would come a write off as well. What I can safely assume here, that IF they get this under control and don't just drain all the water to the PO, then Japan will become No #1 in the world of nuclear disaster clean up. They pretty much have to develop everything from ground up and they can't afford to just "abandon" huge areas of land (and sea), like the Soviet Union was able to do in Ukraine. They will have to clean everything and do it thoroughly.

by vasra at 3/30/2011 4:05:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:05:41 PM" ) )10:05 AM
Link to a lot of today's news: fukushimafaq.wikispaces.com (It's editable to add more links)

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 4:04:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:04:21 PM" ) )10:04 AM
@kgriff upload.wikimedia.org

by kgriff via Upload.wikimedia.org at 3/30/2011 4:00:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 4:00:53 PM" ) )10:00 AM
Another issue with cancer is the determining what environmental effects cause what cancer, as it can take decades for a risk to manifest itself in an obvious way. For example, look at this graph about cigarrete smoking. upload.wikimffitterfffedia.org

by kgriff edited by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 3:59:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:59:48 PM" ) )9:59 AM
@Vasra As of right now, what to do with the water is an open question. TEPCO does have an on-site water purification facility, but it is offline (damaged). They don't know if fixing the plant or bringing in new equipment makes more sense. The idea of a tanker is apparently something just tossed out there (and I personally agree that it does not seem to make sense).

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 3:59:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:59:18 PM" ) )9:59 AM
In an admission of how long the cooling process may take, Hidehiko Nishiyama, deputy director general of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, Japan’s nuclear regulator, said late Tuesday: “We will have to continue cooling for quite a long period. We should be thinking years.”

Kuni Yogo, a former atomic energy policy planner in the Japan Science and Technology Agency, said: “There is some trial and error, but this is the beginning of a three- to five-year effort.”
-NY times article www.nytimes.com

by Jay77 at 3/30/2011 3:57:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:57:51 PM" ) )9:57 AM
@James Ward Also, sorry to hear about your family.

by kgriff at 3/30/2011 3:57:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:57:21 PM" ) )9:57 AM
@James Ward Just the opposite point, that because so many die I am concerned people will see an incremental increase as an acceptable risk.

by kgriff at 3/30/2011 3:56:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:56:17 PM" ) )9:56 AM
@Peter Melzer Yeah, I was thinking last night, how long would it take to start erecting water tanks up on the higher ground behind the reactors? They could pump the water there, and store long-term on this already contaminated site, rather than filling trucks to potentially contaminate new areas.

by Jay77 at 3/30/2011 3:55:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:55:45 PM" ) )9:55 AM
@James Ward I don't think kgriff meant that... I believe everybody here is sorry and worried to varying degree about what has happened and what has yet to happen. We all wish for the best

by vasra at 3/30/2011 3:54:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:54:34 PM" ) )9:54 AM
@kgriff What's your point? I've had a number of relatives die from cancer to include my Dad and two of his brothers, and both of my Mom's brothers. Are you trying to tell me that any increase in the cancer rate is acceptable?

by James Ward at 3/30/2011 3:53:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:53:13 PM" ) )9:53 AM
Can somebody rehash the "tanker" idea from the TEPCO media conf? Was away and didn't catch Yokoso's translation. Are they going to pump the highly radioactive water to a tanker outside the NPP, or something else? That is, what is the plan of Tepco.

by vasra at 3/30/2011 3:52:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:52:06 PM" ) )9:52 AM
@Markfm, dean immediately noted last night that the tanker was a bad idea. Nobody is going to want the stuff. They better keep it on site where the contamination is already great instead of contaminating yet another location.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 3:49:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:49:56 PM" ) )9:49 AM
@MaryMary One more point...we'll never know how much damage was done to the Fukushima nuclear plants by the 9.0 earthquake alone. The huge tsunami and subsequent explosions made sure of that. But, I will refer you to the posts I made earlier on the Kashiwazaki-Kariwa Nuclear Power Plant that suffered a fair amount of damage from the 6.8 quake just off-shore on the west coast of Japan: en.wikipedia.org

by James Ward at 3/30/2011 3:48:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:48:45 PM" ) )9:48 AM
@James Ward cancer is a common cause of death balanceinme.com

by kgriff via Balanceinme at 3/30/2011 3:48:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:48:37 PM" ) )9:48 AM
Alaskan radiation monitor registers highest readings in the US: www.adn.com (Dutch Harbor is a large fishing port on the island of Unalaska, in the Aleutians 800 miles from Anchorage).

by Alaskan at 3/30/2011 3:44:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:44:22 PM" ) )9:44 AM
@MaryMary You must have missed the content of this article that was discussed a couple of weeks ago in this forum: "GE engineer quit 35 yrs ago over reactor design" QUOTE: "A General Electric Co engineer said he resigned 35 years ago over concern about the safety of a nuclear reactor design used in the now crippled Fukushima Daiichi plant in Japan.

Dale Bridenbaugh said the "Mark 1" design had "not yet been designed to withstand the loads" that could be experienced in a large-scale accident.

"At the time, I didn't think the utilities were taking things seriously enough," Bridenbaugh, now retired, said in a phone interview. "I felt some of the plants should have been shut down while the analysis was completed, and GE and the utilities didn't want to do that, so I left." www.chinadaily.com.cn

by James Ward at 3/30/2011 3:43:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:43:42 PM" ) )9:43 AM
Daily radiation levels in Tokyo metropolis.co.jp
Fukushima governor tells lack of communication, can't get food & gas or deliveries www.bloomberg.com
Smoke at #1 reactor from power panel in turbine building english.kyodonews.jp

CDC (US) on contaminated surface water & rainwater emergency.cdc.gov
Congress wants area required to stockpile iodine near nuke plants expanded www.huffingtonpost.com
US govt joint page on things related to Japan disaster www.usa.gov

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 3:42:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:42:35 PM" ) )9:42 AM
Reuters - Japan orders immediate safety upgrade at nuclear plants www.reuters.com

by kgriff at 3/30/2011 3:35:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:35:48 PM" ) )9:35 AM
@Nancy Did you read this article dated March 16, 2001, and linked to the IntellHub website? "Group warns EPA ready to increase radioactive release guidelines" QUOTE: Drinking water, for example, would have a huge increase in allowable public exposure to radioactivity, the group says, that would include:

A nearly 1000-fold increase in strontium-90

A 3000 to 100,000-fold hike for iodine-131

An almost 25,000 rise for nickel-63

The new radiation guidance would also allow long-term cleanup standards thousands of times more lax than anything EPA has ever before accepted, permitting doses to the public that EPA itself estimates would cause a cancer in as much as every fourth person exposed, the group says." www.tennessean.com

by James Ward at 3/30/2011 3:34:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:34:30 PM" ) )9:34 AM
NYT - Confidence Slips Away as Japan Battles Nuclear Peril www.nytimes.com

by kgriff at 3/30/2011 3:34:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:34:18 PM" ) )9:34 AM
Japan Ministry of Food -figures for vegetables - e.g. For instance, a sampling of spinach contained radioactive cesium worth 34,000 becquerels per kilogram, higher than the acceptable level of 500 becquerels per kilogram for consumption . online.wsj.com

by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 3:34:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:34:09 PM" ) )9:34 AM
NYT - Japan Weighs Nationalizing a Stricken Utility www.nytimes.com

by kgriff at 3/30/2011 3:32:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:32:00 PM" ) )9:32 AM
@James Ward ...RE: General Electric "surpressing" news....I don't see the correlation. I'd say GE can look with pride at how their reactors have handled the crisis... This whole thing is TEPCO's fault in my eyes...has nothing to do with GE, but they will suffer collateral damage.

by MaryMary at 3/30/2011 3:31:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:31:39 PM" ) )9:31 AM
NYT - High Radiation Levels Found in Seawater Near Nuclear Plant www.nytimes.com

by kgriff at 3/30/2011 3:28:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:28:40 PM" ) )9:28 AM
@Jay77 In response to who owns the US media, take a look at this chart and see who is the most dominate owner: General Electric. Due to the fact that their reactors are involved at Fukushima, it is in their best interest to shift the news toward Libya. www.freeprokess.net

by James Ward edited by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 3:22:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:22:43 PM" ) )9:22 AM
BBCBreaking‎ IAEA says radiation levels at #Iitate, 40km from #Japan's #Fukushima plant, exceed one of its 'operational criteria for evacuation': Reuters

by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 3:20:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:20:09 PM" ) )9:20 AM
@Cher...I just wish they would provide the number of people polled that say they follow the news.

by Stormy at 3/30/2011 3:15:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:15:32 PM" ) )9:15 AM
The last point in my post on the Kashiwazaki-Kariwa Nuclear Power Plant below is a MAJOR smoking gun: "On May 22, 2008, TEPCO announced that earthquake resistance standards needed to be increased by a factor of five and work to reinforce the reactors would begin in June." This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that TEPCO knew their nuclear facilities would NOT perform during a 7.0 quake as they claimed they would.

by James Ward at 3/30/2011 3:13:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:13:40 PM" ) )9:13 AM

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TEPCO sounds uncertain about what to do with the contaminated water -- fix existing facility, bring in new filtration systems,...

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 3:12:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:12:37 PM" ) )9:12 AM
@Nancy: there are much better drones available. www.youtube.com One of those with a zoom lens and you can make very detailed videos of the site. I guess there is a reason why we don't get to see them.

by ifz at 3/30/2011 3:12:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:12:04 PM" ) )9:12 AM
According to Pew, only 15% of news coverage is devoted to Japan, but 57% of the American public is (attempting) to "very closely" follow the Japan story. In contrast, only 15% of the public is closely following Libya, but the media are devoting 41% of coverage to Libya.

by Cher at 3/30/2011 3:10:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:10:05 PM" ) )9:10 AM
I'm surprised that the media has not revisited TEPCO's Kashiwazaki-Kariwa Nuclear Power Station damaged in the 6.8 quake off the west coast of Japan in 2007. There was no tsunami at that location, so all of the damage was clearly caused by the quake which was actually smaller in magnitude than the plant was designed to resist. en.wikipedia.org QUOTE: # On July 16, 2007, the 2007 Chūetsu offshore earthquake caused severe damage to parts of the plant, resulting in minuscule radioactive releases, complete shutdown and seismic upgrades.
# On September 20, 2007, a temporary air conditioner on the roof of the plant caught fire, but there was no danger of a radioactive leak.[49][50]
# On May 22, 2008, TEPCO announced that earthquake resistance standards needed to be increased by a factor of five and work to reinforce the reactors would begin in June.

by James Ward at 3/30/2011 3:08:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:08:37 PM" ) )9:08 AM
@ Nancy - increasing the acceptable levels was one of the first things they did at Chernobyl. That is scary. Thanks for the links. These will be great to monitor over the coming days/weeks/months.

by Stormy at 3/30/2011 3:08:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:08:25 PM" ) )9:08 AM
I've archived the last 12 hours of messages. www.poudreinternetservice.com

by Brad at 3/30/2011 3:08:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:08:21 PM" ) )9:08 AM
The data were released today by Pew Research Center. Link is people-press.org

by Cher at 3/30/2011 3:08:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:08:07 PM" ) )9:08 AM
EPA (US) plans to increase the radioactive release guidelines - yikes theintelhubradio.com

Article about radiation found at Seattle Univ. in their air systems. Includes a link to their findings. They noted that some of the substances found were from reactors not spent fuel blogs.seattleweekly.com

Radiation exposure in the US ask an expert live on Wash Post 1pm EST live.washingtonpost.com

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 3:06:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:06:13 PM" ) )9:06 AM
For those monitoring air results, more links:

LINK: Arizona monitoring - www.azein.gov

LINK: University of Washington: www.npl.washington.edu

LINK: UNLV (Nevada): www.ansatunlv.com

by KT39 at 3/30/2011 3:06:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:06:08 PM" ) )9:06 AM
@Cher...Do you have a link for that info?

by Stormy at 3/30/2011 3:03:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 3:03:51 PM" ) )9:03 AM
Percentage of Americans following the news about Japan very closely: 57%

by Cher at 3/30/2011 2:59:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:59:56 PM" ) )8:59 AM
I saved my newspaper from the day of the quake....it said "initial death toll set at 20." Now the death toll has been confirmed to have risen to 11,362 (NHK).

by borrrden at 3/30/2011 2:59:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:59:16 PM" ) )8:59 AM
NGO finds high levels beyond no-go zone search.japantimes.co.jp (100 microS/hr on road between Iitate and Tsushima, outside the 20 km zone)

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 2:53:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:53:59 PM" ) )8:53 AM
Geiger counters sell out in the US: www.sbs.com.au
People on twitter suggest they use this simple flying radio controlled camera to get into the plants www.wired.com
Details on the project for TEPCO to build reactors in the US. www.gregpalast.com

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:52:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:52:48 PM" ) )8:52 AM
TEPCO News Conference (ongoing): Primary concern is making sure the reactor and SFP rods are cooled properly. Looking at using a fire truck pump to move the water out of #1 trench. Radiation level measured after pumping #1 turbine building? -- they don't know.

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 2:50:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:50:28 PM" ) )8:50 AM
@Nancy Berkeley is only one I know of reporting cesium results:
www.nuc.berkeley.edu

by KT39 at 3/30/2011 2:36:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:36:15 PM" ) )8:36 AM
@Duncan sorry I said 'opinion' wen I meant we would probably not get a reliable up to date dialoque regarding the situation

by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 2:36:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:36:13 PM" ) )8:36 AM
...I should say they are "approximately" indicated.....

by borrrden at 3/30/2011 2:35:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:35:56 PM" ) )8:35 AM
@Nancy Their weights are indicated by the number that follows, so cesium is slightly heavier than iodine, but I think they both have the same potential travel distance. It's just there is not as much cesium being released (compared to iodine) so it will disperse more quickly.

by borrrden at 3/30/2011 2:33:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:33:30 PM" ) )8:33 AM
Does anyone know of data that states the travel distance for cesium-137? Can it travel as far as radioactive iodine? How do they measure it vs. the iodine rates? All we are getting for data in the US is iodine. Does the cesium not travel that far or are they not reporting it?

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:31:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:31:09 PM" ) )8:31 AM
@George Gibb @vasra Sadly, I think the next disaster for Japan could be an epidemic of suicides. Japan already has the highest suicide rate in the world. While walking around Tokyo a few years ago, we'd see homeless men in business suits, who my brother-in-law explained had lost their jobs and never returned home for the shame. Then we'd experience almost daily train delays when someone would jump in front of one. Apparently it has long been considered an honorable thing to do in that culture to alleviate shame. I'm saddened by it, but unfortunately not surprised. I think that's why so many organizations have mobilized mental health assistance. I've heard the cultural attitude has been changing in recent years, but I'm guessing the more rural you get, the more old-school.

by Jay77 at 3/30/2011 2:30:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:30:59 PM" ) )8:30 AM
@LM True. They seem like professional obfuscators to me!

by es at 3/30/2011 2:30:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:30:38 PM" ) )8:30 AM
TEPCO News Conference (ongoing): Most of water in trench 1 from Tsunami (per testing). No facility yet to handle contaminated water (they do have a processing facility, but it is broken now).

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 2:29:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:29:46 PM" ) )8:29 AM
@es It depends upon how you define professional....given the dearth of info and the constant inaccuracies.

by LM at 3/30/2011 2:28:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:28:56 PM" ) )8:28 AM
@Karen, can you add yourself to the marketing group document on Facebook please?

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 2:28:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:28:34 PM" ) )8:28 AM
@borrrden No, he'll summarise later - it's pretty dense techie-speak

by es at 3/30/2011 2:23:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:23:44 PM" ) )8:23 AM
I noticed that Katz only translates one or two sentences every once in a while. Does that mean everything else that they say is not interesting?

by borrrden at 3/30/2011 2:23:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:23:13 PM" ) )8:23 AM
@elainekirk The French have more experience with MOX than the US does.

by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 2:21:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:21:41 PM" ) )8:21 AM
@elainekirk - I don't think that's really going to be a problem. We know the reactors are going to be scrapped now, so the only goal is cooling them/decreasing radiation leak. It is in France's best interest to conclude this situation as quickly as possible and prevent things from getting worse, otherwise more opposition to nuclear power will be generated.

by Duncan at 3/30/2011 2:20:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:20:55 PM" ) )8:20 AM
Japan Times opinion piece, Time for a Japan-U.S. mutual assistance treaty search.japantimes.co.jp

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 2:19:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:19:17 PM" ) )8:19 AM
@Duncan I hear they have accepted French help which imho is not good France are nuclear dependent and I cannot see an unbiased opinion coming from their 'experts'

by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 2:19:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:19:12 PM" ) )8:19 AM
Japan Times opinion piece, Lessons of the nuclear crisis search.japantimes.co.jp

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 2:18:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:18:08 PM" ) )8:18 AM
@Stormy there was a map and site posted yesterday, sure its way back now but i think the US is having Monitor isuess... look at the map an ask yourself how there states around you can have higher readings and yours doesn't i live in a 60 miles of about 6 units and WE don't (im sure we do without Japan)

by fitter at 3/30/2011 2:16:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:16:46 PM" ) )8:16 AM
I keep hearing about France and the US offering their help in controlling the siutation/removal of highly radioactive water if TEPCO accept it. It shouldn't be down to TEPCO now. They should be getting the help whether they want it or not.

by Duncan at 3/30/2011 2:16:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:16:42 PM" ) )8:16 AM
@Scilla original article is from Tokyo Shimbun - seems legit www.tokyo-np.co.jp

by ifz at 3/30/2011 2:16:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:16:10 PM" ) )8:16 AM
yokosunews on ustream has katz translating to english

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 2:13:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:13:59 PM" ) )8:13 AM
@LM Oh I don't doubt they're very professional.

by es at 3/30/2011 2:13:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:13:11 PM" ) )8:13 AM
@es I imagine they will eventually. Unfortunately the release of info hasn't been done in a particularly professional manner.

by LM at 3/30/2011 2:12:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:12:33 PM" ) )8:12 AM
Live TEPCO conference currently underway at: iwakamiyasumi.com (Japanese only)

by es at 3/30/2011 2:11:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:11:52 PM" ) )8:11 AM
@all @jo linden yesterday many post on pressure vs water level ect.. pipng systems and equipment is complex when you have drawings.. many varieables to the reading.. Sorry but i am short on time and need to focus on Pic of #3 explosion and my buisness before i have to fire myself... BUT IMPORTANT VARIBLE.. maybe jo you could explain to others... STEAM SIENCE IN ITS SIMPLICITY... 1) steam has an emourmous expansion rate depending on press/temp/vapor density... i don't have plans of reactor and TEPCO does not know what they have left... FIRST... " ***2) "if saturated steam while being superheated is allowed to expan, its pressure will remain unaltered and only it temp and volume will increase. in this case super heated steam follows closely the laws of perfect gases, the volume increasing in propotion to the absolute temp." (steamfitters instruction manual ) 3) have not been tracking pressu/temp except here when yo post.. with out resch.. the reator diagrams i would assume when working correctly the top area of reactor might/should be superheated.. it has more energy in that state and does go throught dryes on the diagram i saw in the CORE... and you would not want to send WET steam to equipment... not knowing what is working... what the design was before and what is left... with breaches (lack of ability to force flow direction) we can assume it is not leaving through the steam lines... would assume the fuel is still turning water into steam.. 3) all variable and working theory, location of instruments, breaches are probably at play here.....

by fitter at 3/30/2011 2:11:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:11:07 PM" ) )8:11 AM
@LM Perhaps they'll issue a correction then.

by es at 3/30/2011 2:10:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:10:53 PM" ) )8:10 AM
I don't know if this is a reliable source. www.timog.com

by Scilla at 3/30/2011 2:08:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:08:53 PM" ) )8:08 AM
@Angie yes - I'm starting to increase density of info released I'm moderating after 2 mins but allowing all posts for continuity

by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 2:08:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:08:13 PM" ) )8:08 AM
@Salvador I see and agree. Images are fuzzy, but locations align. This goes together with the fact of the analysis of the valve insulators and temps/pressures being driven out of spec for the first few days. Many nuclear technology engineers have pointed this out and marked as the probable release of steam leaks. The water (liquid) leaks are probably via the bottom control rod pathway of the PCV.

by vasra at 3/30/2011 2:06:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:06:57 PM" ) )8:06 AM
Kyodo, Gov't orders utilities to prepare for tsunami with more backups english.kyodonews.jp

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 2:05:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 2:05:42 PM" ) )8:05 AM

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