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@radioguy exactly
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 5:28:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:28:17 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:28:17 AM
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Max, they're just too busy covering the upcoming royal wedding now. (just kidding! well kind of...)
by Janis at 3/26/2011 5:28:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:28:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:28:11 AM
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@stef True, the natural diaster was a trigger to claim a poorly designed plant in a very marginal area.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 5:28:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:28:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:28:11 AM
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99/100 people will walk away with that message and never question why it happened
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 5:27:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:27:49 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:27:49 AM
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@George The power of words can not be overestimated. The simple embedding of that line over and over, followed by information that is built upon that as a premise, makes it so whatever you hear later, fact or conspiracy theory, you opine on that, having already accepted the false premise.
by radioguy at 3/26/2011 5:27:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:27:44 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:27:44 AM
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@george are you saying the 9.0 earthquake and subsequent tsunami did not cause the nuclear disaster?
by amianda at 3/26/2011 5:27:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:27:25 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:27:25 AM
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@ the brainwashing comment- what I believe is being said is the media is blaming the quake and tsunami for what is happening with the nuclear reactors causing a crisis, when it was a ticking time bomb the whole time and they were warned.
by stef at 3/26/2011 5:26:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:26:40 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:26:40 AM
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oh - repeatedly being told the same thing over and over until you believe it.
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 5:26:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:26:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:26:03 AM
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@Janis: Good point: Not only te nuclear problem, but also the "normal" destruction of this region is not reported adequate in my personal eyes in the media.
We have reports of ships washed inland, which we saw days ago. Now the reporters can walk to them and film them closely. Some ups in the number of casualties, reports about radioactive food, but nearly nothing about the repair/clean-up and the situation of the citizens & infrastucture/supply.
by Max at 3/26/2011 5:25:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:25:48 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:25:48 AM
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Sorry, posting from my cell makes accidents happen...
by amianda at 3/26/2011 5:25:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:25:10 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:25:10 AM
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@George Gibb It's way too scary for the world to know a simple power cut can cause such havoc. A tsunami, now that's understandable.
by es at 3/26/2011 5:24:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:24:54 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:24:54 AM
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@M and that's a pity, because they do agree with some others informations. for exemple: "Weapons of destructions" I have watch and watch again, as a nightmare becoming true, every tsunami video, on the first day. It WAS IMPOSSIBLE to say that there was 30 death..; we seen them dying live, on the Nhk live footage ! so, when there is such image, and they got them, no need to wait for official Japan's government communicate, to say that it is a tragedy, whith hundred or may be thousands of people. I'm really sorry to have been right, using Google map and wikipedia, to have an idea of how many people live in every place. But it was Obviously impossible to have so few deaths.. and that is important, because, people and media take deaths in account..
by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 5:24:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:24:39 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:24:39 AM
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not sure I understand your reference to brainwashing george....
by amianda at 3/26/2011 5:24:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:24:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:24:32 AM
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@amianda understand what?
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 5:24:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:24:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:24:32 AM
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Not sure I undersrandx
by amianda at 3/26/2011 5:23:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:23:43 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:23:43 AM
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In easy terms: The news agencies were basically watching a building that was burning and stating how many people could be hurt. "There are 72 people in that building. If they don't get out, this one could be a disaster" ...the day the news starts to not even talk about what could go wrong in the wake up something like this and not inform us, or speculate even- that's the day we've officially lost touch. But if you'd like me to entertain that media is not reporting due to lack of interest or news...okay...I sure hope to see ONLY news on libya...not fluff or speculation.
by stef at 3/26/2011 5:23:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:23:28 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:23:28 AM
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@George Gibb Sure, simple cause and effect...now let's get on with the day.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 5:23:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:23:14 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:23:14 AM
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the basis of brain washing - A 9.0 magnitude earthquake and resulting tsunami damaged a nuclear reactor... how many news stories have this embedded. Its in every paper - news cast blog site...
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 5:21:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:21:42 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:21:42 AM
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@M You're right. We call those "tabloids".
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 5:21:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:21:26 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:21:26 AM
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I always considered quality instead of quanity the most important.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 5:21:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:21:25 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:21:25 AM
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@stef Yeah it sucks that there isn't more positive news. That is really all I want is to here that they will fix it fast.
by NHK Listener at 3/26/2011 5:21:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:21:05 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:21:05 AM
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@ M any reputable news agency will keep you informed.
by stef at 3/26/2011 5:19:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:19:48 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:19:48 AM
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@Future Isnow Any reputable news agency can and will not try to make guesses about how many people will die in the future.
by M at 3/26/2011 5:19:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:19:12 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:19:12 AM
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by billmcd at 3/26/2011 5:19:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:19:09 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:19:09 AM
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@ NHK Listener- thats what was approved. More is happening. Until they know how to deal with it... we won't be told much.
by stef at 3/26/2011 5:18:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:18:54 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:18:54 AM
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[OPINION] The MSM is there to shape your opinion and thoughts on things. Its programming for the brain that will ensure you fall into line for the Powers that Be. It's not meant to be pure information for you to weigh and make informed decisions from.
by tippytoe at 3/26/2011 5:18:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:18:33 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:18:33 AM
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Around the clock coverage for yesterday was they got some lights on in a control room.
by NHK Listener at 3/26/2011 5:18:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:18:04 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:18:04 AM
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@marie rich starts with 20 mar ....
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 5:17:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:17:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:17:56 AM
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@Janis, 100% agree, except that I personally think this DOES deserve around the clock coverage. Just my $0.02.
by Rucco at 3/26/2011 5:16:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:16:58 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:16:58 AM
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@NISA 20mar Unit1 : reactor vessel pressure, 0.295mPa; containment, 0.170mPa; suppression pool, 0.160mPa 26Mar Unit 1 : reactor,0.477mPa; containment, 0.270mPa; suppression pool, 0.270mPa Unit 1 pressures building across the board.
by marie rich at 3/26/2011 5:16:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:16:39 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:16:39 AM
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@M True, but they do it all the time anyway. Mostly through not-so-suble inference. But not CNN, of course :)
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 5:16:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:16:10 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:16:10 AM
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@Janis- you said it properly.
by stef at 3/26/2011 5:16:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:16:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:16:03 AM
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@ M... What does Fox/CNN/MSNBC do...I'm pretty sure they cover lots of specculation. They're covering it in Libya now... Uhm...last I checked its what gives ratings.
by stef at 3/26/2011 5:15:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:15:37 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:15:37 AM
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I respectfully disagree, M. Our news media has never backed away from an ongoing situation just because there wasn't really anything new to report. I have seen them dwell on a subject, and beat a dead horse until I could barely stand them saying the same thing over and over again, for days or weeks on end. I still don't understand why they are so quiet on the subject..not asking for round the clock coverage here, just that it deserves way more coverage. There's not even a lot reported anymore on what Japan is suffering through because of the earthquake and tsunami. Japan is second page news now, and I don't understand why. That's all.
by Janis at 3/26/2011 5:15:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:15:23 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:15:23 AM
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@M I would like to be such optimistic... I have said the 12 that almost 35 000 peoples are dead... Medias said 30 to 300.. the problem is the same for nuclear death : it take time, so no medias talk about it : " ho, another one died from cancer, but we can't be sure that it came from chernobyl ... the officials death for Chernobyl is 34 or 31 according to official sources...
by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 5:15:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:15:17 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:15:17 AM
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@M ... Spot on! News by its very definition has to be "new"....a fortnight old nuclear disaster in the making doesn't interest most people...until it becomes "new" again...and I for one, hope that doesn't happen...
by MaryMary at 3/26/2011 5:14:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:14:29 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:14:29 AM
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@Jim Carver News agencies are there to report NEWS and not to speculate about what might happen in the future.
by M at 3/26/2011 5:14:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:14:20 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:14:20 AM
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@M I disagree only in that a) the information should be purely available for the sake of emergency responses because of b) the absolutely GRAVE consequences to our global community. This plant if it goes south will have significant outcomes that will affect almost every aspect of our living future whether directly or indirectly.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 5:14:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:14:15 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:14:15 AM
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Greenpeace.
by NHK Listener at 3/26/2011 5:14:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:14:07 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:14:07 AM
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New Greenpeace Report (25/3/2011): "A new analysis prepared for Greenpeace Germany by nuclear safety expert Dr Helmut Hirsch shows that by March 23 2011, Japan’s nuclear crisis has already released enough radioactivity to be ranked at Level 7 on the International Nuclear Event Scale (INES). This is the scale’s highest level, and equal to the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear disaster.
Hirsch’s assessment, based on data published by the French government's radiation protection agency (IRSN) and the Austrian governments Central Institute for Meteorology and Geodynamics (ZAMG) found that the total amount of radionuclides iodine-131 and caesium-137 released between March 11 and March 23 have been so high that the Fukushima crisis already equates to three INES 7 incidents."
by Dom at 3/26/2011 5:12:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:12:21 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:12:21 AM
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Interesting short film of Chernobyl shot right after the accident by Vladimir Shevchenko, who dies two months after shooting the material:
j.mp . It shows you how much people were kept in the dark and not told the real dangers.
by vasra at 3/26/2011 5:12:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:12:10 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:12:10 AM
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@M There's still the "yet" factor. And what about the detorioration in people's lives?
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 5:11:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:11:42 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:11:42 AM
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@Janis [opinion] I don't think anyone know.. I have look in wikipedia at a "liquid metal cooling ", from ukrainian scientist, which seem possible from a newbie view, but I can't say if it's ok from a scientist view. They told about it, because they learned from their mistake (lead was a real bad option, but not the worse) the only thing sure is that the cores and spent fuel polls should be cool down permanently, before being buried
by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 5:11:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:11:16 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:11:16 AM
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@Janis and others. The real reason we are not getting the truth from out gov't is that our system is fundamentally flawed. Our leaders our in bed with industry. Obama is a huge proponent of nuclear power. Exelon was a big contributor to his campaign.
www.bloomberg.com Obama wants to bankrupt the coal industry. He said this on his campaign, "So, if somebody wants to build a coal plant, they can -- it's just that it will bankrupt them..". Bottom line is that you can't get honesty out of government, especially during times of crisis. They will always down play things as they happen you won't get the full story until years later (if ever). That's why blogs like this are useful. Helps you to get all the viewpoints so you can make the best decisions.
by tippytoe at 3/26/2011 5:10:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:10:27 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:10:27 AM
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@Jim: Please be cautious. The russian solution is at least a plan C scenario: After that any hopes have to be given up. Once their solution is started it's definitely game over. No one really wants to see that...
by Max at 3/26/2011 5:09:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:09:14 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:09:14 AM
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have watched on reuters sins the start glad to see this blog continue
by not smart at 3/26/2011 5:08:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:08:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:08:56 AM
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"Reuters Factbox: What happens when a reactor loses coolant"
www.reuters.com
by kgriff at 3/26/2011 5:08:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:08:44 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:08:44 AM
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I think the real reason why most news agency no longer focus on the nuclear crisis is because there are no significant news to report. Unlike most people visiting this technical discussions, the general public is not really interested in learning that the temperature in the spent fuel pool of reactor four has increased by two degrees or that a pump at reactor one was switched to freshwater.
Keep in mind, so far not a single person has died from the nuclear disaster and you have to compare that to almost 30,000 people that died or are missing from the earthquake and tsunami. So it should not be a big surprise that the news agencies no longer provide minute by minute updates on the reactor problems. All these conspiracy theories about withholding information from the public are completely unfounded. I am glad to see that this discussion keeps the conspiracy theories at a minimum.
The situation at the plant has indeed stabilized. This is great because nothing got dramatically worse in recent days. But at the same time this is also very bad because the contamination of the environment is still continuing and it has a cumulative effect with no end in sight. But it is not news anymore, so nobody should be surprised if the media don't provide hourly status updates.
by M at 3/26/2011 5:08:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:08:40 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:08:40 AM
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Problem is the residual radiogenic heat. See if I can find that.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 5:07:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:07:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:07:11 AM
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@Janis The Russians say they know how to do it now.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 5:06:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:06:02 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:06:02 AM
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The JAIF reports lost me when they stopped using numbers and instead had things like 'slightly decreasing after increasing'. And unknown and possibly.
by Jeff at 3/26/2011 5:05:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:05:01 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:05:01 AM
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@andyjsha thanks. but I have not found what I see that morning, the conference you give the link . I have not re -view all, but I can't find the one with the teperature of the core at n°1, from tepco.
by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 5:04:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:04:09 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:04:09 AM
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Tenzing, someone said yesterday that it will take at least a year for this site to "cool down enough" to even think about entombing it. Anyone know if that's true?
by Janis at 3/26/2011 5:03:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:03:40 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:03:40 AM
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Great read on Japan not having the room for the recommended US evac zone. That scares me in light of all of the disaster waiting to happen in the US. I'm always complaining about all the peopel in the chicagoland area!
by stef at 3/26/2011 5:03:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:03:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:03:32 AM
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This is not intended to start any downward spiral of conversation or fears. I just want other people to read the jaif report and tell me if what I see is really what I see it for: a huge, huge contradiction that SHOULD invoke response from appropriate personnel in Japan.
www.jaif.or.jp
If you read along, you will see that #1 and #3 "Containment Vessel Integrity" (very important to use correct terminology) are listed as "Not Damaged" (#3 is really not a new entry as I noticed it 2 or 3 days ago). If you read along further into the notes, you will also see:
"It is presumed that radioactive material inside the reactor vessel would have leaked outside the containment vessel at unit-1 and unit- 3, based on the investigation of the water sampled at turbine building."
Another KEY use (or misuse) of terminology here is that they say "materials" and not "particles".........
And the last time I checked, a solid rod could not "leak". That's something liquids do. (A liquid is technically the molten state of any substance).
Scientists understand the use of correct terminology, they're usually quite anal about it. There's an issue but it may not be the catastrophy it would appear to be.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 5:03:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:03:09 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:03:09 AM
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by andyjsha at 3/26/2011 5:02:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:02:24 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:02:24 AM
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The astonishingly informative CNIC (Citizens Nuclear Information Centre) conferences have their USTREAM archive here futureisnow, Goto San, Nakada san etc:
by andyjsha at 3/26/2011 5:02:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:02:18 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:02:18 AM
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Not saying I trust the French government either! As far as why this is barely covered in the US, I just don't buy anyone saying there's not enough interest in this story, or that there isn't any "new news" about it.
by Janis at 3/26/2011 5:02:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:02:13 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:02:13 AM
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@all I watched a documentary about Chernobyl a few days ago and the first aspect of entombment for the reactor was the use of helicopters by the military to dumb LEAD Pb into what was left of the structure.
video.google.com
by Tenzing at 3/26/2011 5:01:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:01:58 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:01:58 AM
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@Other Jeff: Might very well be. Anyways, I'll check back here sometimes, can't hurt to read more opinions :-)
by Jeff at 3/26/2011 5:01:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:01:20 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:01:20 AM
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@max: most of french reactors close to the coastlines are on top of a cliff; but there is one that could be easily flooded and was during the Xynthia storm
by Jo Lindien at 3/26/2011 5:01:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:01:20 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:01:20 AM
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@borrrden true, yes, I'm french. @Jo Lindien ooops, my bad. in fact, you're right . Criirad birth is 1986, it's their full rapport on Chernobyl who have take some time to be complete and to go public. shame on me
by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 5:01:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:01:16 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:01:16 AM
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oh, it looks like it does it automatically. thanks
by ariadne at 3/26/2011 5:00:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:00:55 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:00:55 AM
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2 AM now, so I guess I should go to bed. I just saw the most heartbreaking video on NHK of a father accepting his missing son's diploma at a graduation ceremony, and a student crying while giving a speech about the disaster.......
by borrrden at 3/26/2011 5:00:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:00:51 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:00:51 AM
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@ Jeff- lol at "trolls". Anyway, yes borrrden- I read that and was infuriated with how silly people get. I'm really nervous that another huge quake or tsunami could really finish japan off while they are so vulnerable.
by stef at 3/26/2011 5:00:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:00:42 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:00:42 AM
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Don't know if y'all have seen this
www.dailykos.com Friend Moderator, how can I make that or other urls into a direct link from here to other sites? Thanks everyone.
by ariadne at 3/26/2011 5:00:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:00:41 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:00:41 AM
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@Janis - the lying was so evident at last night's NISA Press Conference. I couldn't believe that the speaker kept turning his back on the reporters and asking another individual for answers. He would talk to the other guy, make notes then come back to answer the question which was usually an "I don't know" type of answer. It was in Japanese so I had my "translator" working overtime. Everyone was disgusted with the lies and poor responses.
by ColorMeRed at 3/26/2011 5:00:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:00:31 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:00:31 AM
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The way I see it is if your here you probably have a personal stake in whats going so whats the harm in voicing your opinions and maybe learning what others think
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 5:00:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:00:24 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:00:24 AM
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@stef@Jeff also I think reuters got turned off after the 4chan crew pulled a bunch over on their libya live blog.
by Jeff at 3/26/2011 5:00:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:00:20 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:00:20 AM
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@janis: as a french citizen, I can tell not muchhas changed here regarding nuclear. Our president is still claiming it's perfectly safe...the only decision that's been taken recently is ...a 3 month-moratorium on photovoltaics! Japan has also almost dispappeared from french media...so it's not better here than anywhere else.
by nestor at 3/26/2011 5:00:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 5:00:05 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:00:05 AM
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@Jeff I really hope you're right.
by Rucco at 3/26/2011 4:59:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:59:44 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:59:44 AM
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Take a look at the story of at least two tsunamis in England. One as a result of an earthquake in Lissabon. I am sure this is healty for french reactors if there are some at the coastline. I didn't have time to research if they have them close to the shores.
by Max at 3/26/2011 4:59:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:59:27 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:59:27 AM
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@stef: I agree, sometimes noise is good, but Reuters found the right amount, in my opinion. They might just had a huge amount of trolls after the two weeks, and filtering out all the crap would have been too much work.
by Jeff at 3/26/2011 4:58:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:58:52 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:58:52 AM
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@stef Or facebook, where there were tons of posts afterwords saying the tsunami was "revenge for Pearl Harbor"
by borrrden at 3/26/2011 4:58:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:58:48 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:58:48 AM
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TEPCO's Fukushima office acknowledged Saturday that it had known earlier that the radiation in the underground level of the turbine building of one of the reactors was extremely high, but had not made the information available to pertinent parties.
Edano criticized the utility's handling of the data, saying unless it reports necessary information to authorities in a timely manner, ''the government will not be able to give appropriate instructions and (TEPCO) will make workers, and eventually the public, distrustful'' of the firm.http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/81252.html
by NHK Listener at 3/26/2011 4:58:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:58:27 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:58:27 AM
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@ Jeff- yes, the reuters blog had a lot of updates and sounded out a lot of noise. I don't think all of the noise is bad though. It's not like some of these idiot forums that suggest japan planned the whole thing out to get the US out. haha. Seriously, it was on that ridiuclous abovetopsecret site.
by stef at 3/26/2011 4:57:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:57:43 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:57:43 AM
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Thanks George, this is nice!
Thanks Ralph, exactly the links where I used to go.
So... seawater in the news today, for the rest gradual slow decrease in measured radioactivity... Anything else?
by Petra at 3/26/2011 4:57:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:57:18 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:57:18 AM
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@WolfDK yes, I believe it too . Mr Tanaka explained this morning, on document he got from the prime minister office yesterday, that the core 1 was damaged the 11 march. He explained why, with the real numbers from tepco . I can't find again that damned video, but I will got it, can't type here and search ;)
by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 4:57:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:57:02 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:57:02 AM
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by kgriff at 3/26/2011 4:56:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:56:55 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:56:55 AM
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@borrrden No, we were up with skeleton crew.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 4:56:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:56:36 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:56:36 AM
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@kayko Best hopes to your family and everyone else in Japan, but it is not the lack of regulation that surprises me it was the lack of contingency plans (not for the combination of all 3 events just for the nuclear side).
by Jeff at 3/26/2011 4:56:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:56:16 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:56:16 AM
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@Janis, they put it on hold for 6 hours. Then they put it back on for 3 hours. But guess what, all the viewers are gone. Now they say the blog is "going on hiatus"
by Rucco at 3/26/2011 4:55:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:55:50 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:55:50 AM
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The Reuters blog was moderated, honestly, the quality was much much better than here. Too much noise and reposts. But yeah, it's a shame they took it down, but understandable-900 viewers doesn't compare to the 20k they had. And there's nearly no news anymore, so all the posts will just be reposts.
by Jeff at 3/26/2011 4:55:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:55:20 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:55:20 AM
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@Future Isnow You should probably mention that you are French, and that is why you can say that with such certainty ;)
by borrrden at 3/26/2011 4:54:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:54:35 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:54:35 AM
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@ George- I know I thanked you in the thingy on facebook- but thank you so much for this. It's kind of nice to see there are a lot of people with similar concerns AND we're not being TOTALLY edited by what people want us to say.
by stef at 3/26/2011 4:54:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:54:34 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:54:34 AM
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@Futureisnow: French criirad has been set-up in 1986, not 15 years later:
www.criirad.org . Imho it has not changed a lot of things, except we have medurements showing how much officieal are lying when there is any incident
by Jo Lindien at 3/26/2011 4:54:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:54:24 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:54:24 AM
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@Janis This one came after the 2nd time it closed....I believe
by borrrden at 3/26/2011 4:54:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:54:06 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:54:06 AM
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@Janis France is asking the "good questions" because it didn't happen in France... and also, from a french point of vue, I can put pages here about all the dumb a.s comment and errors that have made the french autorities at the beginning..
by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 4:53:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:53:45 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:53:45 AM
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Rucco, I didn't realize the Reuters thread had been up again at all. They said they don't have enough interest? I guess that's because we all came here, and elsewhere to keep the conversation open. Sheesh. lol
by Janis at 3/26/2011 4:53:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:53:39 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:53:39 AM
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Been reading for days on Reuters, very glad to see that it has continued here. Thanks, George, and thanks to everybody else for your very informative comments. I live on the Pacific coast in California, and have family in Japan, so am personally invested like most others here. This blog has really changed my views on nuclear power because of the lack of regulation, so I am very appreciative for the knowledge here.
by kayko at 3/26/2011 4:52:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:52:46 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:52:46 AM
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@Future Isnow, Sure thats not why they waited for so long to inject seawater, the cores were already exposed when seawater injection began.
by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 4:52:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:52:10 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:52:10 AM
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@Rucco that meet my "conspirationist dark side" point of view. But people were not 950 on the last week.
by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 4:52:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:52:04 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:52:04 AM
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@ Paul(UK) got a chuckle out of less radiation than a banana. Regardless, I searched the same thing too- I think the whole situation is very touchy. @ Rucco, haha- I thought I was paranoid when I explained that scenario to my mom!
by stef at 3/26/2011 4:52:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:52:04 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:52:04 AM
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@Rucco: I think so. I started to worry, when they removed the link from their front page
by Max at 3/26/2011 4:52:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:52:01 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:52:01 AM
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@Paul (UK) Could pretty much add "yet" to those. As my Mom used to say, "It's sooner than you think".
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 4:51:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:51:52 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:51:52 AM
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Thanks, Dennis and Stef. Future, at least France seems to be asking the tough questions when it comes to this disaster, instead of acting as if it never happened, the way I feel our government is acting.
by Janis at 3/26/2011 4:51:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:51:52 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:51:52 AM
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@Jim Carver my electricity provide put an insert this month saying "in the event of postal disruption you are still obligated to pay.."
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 4:51:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:51:50 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:51:50 AM
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Don't want to hijack the conversation but this has me very upset. If Reuters wanted to take down the blog (for some reason) they did a perfect job. First, they suspiciously put it "on hold" when things are not good, and make the viewership go from 950 to barely 200. Then, they put it back on for 3 hours, but now they say "There's not enough interest from people". "Smart" move?
by Rucco at 3/26/2011 4:50:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:50:22 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:50:22 AM
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@Janis Your purely personal "selfish" point of view is shared by many. And it is quite healthy, imo.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 4:49:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:49:50 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:49:50 AM
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@Janis In France, we have waited 15 years after the Chernobyl "Incident" to have an independant association (Criirad) to take mesurments. and It have changed a lot of things, but not all.
by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 4:49:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:49:36 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:49:36 AM
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@borrrden I got a $72 rebate from my electric for using a plan that uses our wind generators here in Texas.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 4:49:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:49:29 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:49:29 AM
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@Bobby1 @Stef @radioguy @Nancy... Thanks. None of us alone here then. What's sickening me is that any scant coverage we do get is all the manicured glass-half-full stuff. I'm thinking of compiling a list of the cliches they keep churning... "... no immediate threat to health"; "... less radiation than a banana/x-ray"; "... no evidence to suggest..."; "... power restored"; "... safe to drink"; "... just as a precaution". No-one's yet told us where the two Japanese travellers hospitalised in China had/hadn't been before they flew out from Tokyo, or have I missed something? The media didn't even ask that question as far as I could find.
by Paul (UK) at 3/26/2011 4:49:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:49:28 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:49:28 AM
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Like everything there is no easy answer - sometimes I wonder if we were better off in the stone age.
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 4:49:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:49:10 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:49:10 AM
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@ Janis- oh totally selfish is acceptable for a minute. Like I said, I have a ton of friends in the navy now and I'm worried about these guys over there. I got into a warm convo on the reuters facebook page in the news section over someone saying "THE US NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING". I broke the no chat rule haha.
by stef at 3/26/2011 4:47:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:47:31 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:47:31 AM
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@hans I don't agree : they didn't want to save the plant, since the first day, they know at least core 1 was damaged . they Used salt water, which mean death for the core. But I agree on you that they tried to save their reputations, their stocks value, and that profit should nevver been associate with nuclear plant, anywhere
by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 4:47:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:47:26 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:47:26 AM
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@Jim Carver Yes, related to that I am hoping that this incident will help spur interest in renewable energy.
by borrrden at 3/26/2011 4:47:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:47:12 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:47:12 AM
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"Japan nuclear plant reactors cooled with freshwater"
www.cbc.ca
by kgriff at 3/26/2011 4:47:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:47:04 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:47:04 AM
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Problem is, if a plant were built and run properly (not next to the ocean, to use cheap cooling), the whole venture would be economically unfeasiable. I don't like it also because it takes away research money for fusion.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 4:46:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:46:21 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:46:21 AM
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@kgriff- good call on the read.
by stef at 3/26/2011 4:46:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:46:20 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:46:20 AM
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From a purely personal "selfish" point of view, I'm becoming angrier by the minute, at OUR government and media. It scares me that we are barely being informed about what's going on in Japan, much less what we might expect in our own country.
by Janis at 3/26/2011 4:46:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:46:00 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:46:00 AM
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comment, back we're back and take things up...
by Petra at 3/26/2011 4:45:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:45:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:45:56 AM
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@Jeff et al: I hear you. I can't help thinking that sites and conversations like this one are potentially great incubators for ideas for grappling with these big issues. Kind of like growing, as opposed to manufacturing, consent.
by Alin at 3/26/2011 4:44:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:44:53 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:44:53 AM
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the biggest fault was to rescue the plant, to make even more profit!!! money = biggest disaster in human history
by hans at 3/26/2011 4:44:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:44:00 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:44:00 AM
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@stef Yea the crowd sourced stuff is a mixed bag but there is some interesting stuff. My favorite was this person's post. "A good place to start would be to look at Soviet tactics at Chernobyl (April 26 1986), both during and after the immediate crisis (quotes from Richard Rhodes, Arsenals of Folly, c.2007)
1) "By Sunday May 4 Soviet Army engineer units had brought in oil-drilling equipment and had begun drilling into the soil below the reactor. Through these channels they pumped liquid nitrogen at the rate of 1,000 cubic feet per day to freeze the soil against a possible core meltdown."
2) ". . . the engineers pumped five million gallons of water out of the bubbler pool. In the coming days they used shaped-charge explosives to blow holes through the concrete foundation, laid pipe into the empty pool, and pumped in enough concrete to fill it to a solid block." The book he quotes has a preview on google books too
books.google.com
3)"'Liquidators' by the hundreds of thousands, perhaps half a million in all - 340,000 soldiers, many of them recently returned from service in Afghanistan, new draftees, minor government officials such as teachers and inspectors - were pressed into service and took their brief turn scraping away topsoil, paving over roads. . ."
4) "In November 1986, after a heroic effort, workers finished entombing Reactor Number Four within a sarcophagus made of half a million cubic yards of reinforced concrete, and only then did it cease releasing radiation into the environment."
Fukushima differs in that the reactor cores do not have a massive graphite neutron moderator, the source of the Chernobyl fire. However, the spent fuel rods are also located in the same building as the reactor (an insanely idiotic arrangement), and Reactor #3 is fueled with MOX fuel (apparently about 5% plutonium).
The major risk is core meltdown followed by containment breach followed by steam explosions that eject tons of nuclear fission products and plutonium into the atmosphere. Note that the Soviets only barely prevented this outcome at Chernobyl by a massive effort involving thousands of people - and they only had ONE reactor to deal with. It's unclear whether Japan even has the resources needed.
Thus, there is a possibility that significantly larger volumes of radioactive particles could end up being emitted to the atmosphere than occurred at Chernobyl."
by kgriff at 3/26/2011 4:43:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:43:52 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:43:52 AM
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Japan's government will not us the "natural disaster" law to take in charge the expenses. and Tepco DID NOT have an insurance for the plant (only for external damages. Iw was cancelled in July 2010
by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 4:43:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:43:00 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:43:00 AM
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@ Janis; Thanks. In addition to my comment: I hate how everyone talks about Chernobyl like entombing it was totally the right thing to do as a last ditch effort. You know, I'm shocked that throwing a bunch of cement and pounding sand on top of it is STILL to this day a genuine option once this is "controlled". Really? Again, maybe its my ignorance on the situation- but from a newbies standpoint, maybe we shouldnt be playing with these big boy toys before we fill big boy shoes. Now we have a monumental situation and the people who we look up to in such a time are trying to sweep it under the carpet and call us crazy for asking too many questions. Total bs.
by stef at 3/26/2011 4:42:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:42:13 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:42:13 AM
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@hans Japan's government have clearly said that tepco is responsible, yesterday...
by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 4:41:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:41:10 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:41:10 AM
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its all about profit, tepco is criminal.
by hans at 3/26/2011 4:40:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:40:14 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:40:14 AM
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Cheers, Stef. I feel pretty much the same way.
by Janis at 3/26/2011 4:38:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:38:40 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:38:40 AM
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@alin let's face it : these reactors should have been stopped this years, they just get a 10 years more licence. They are 40 years old. When sea was puped in the core, it's like if you put sand in your motor oil... so, 3 reactors will never start up again. 1,2,3 . the 4 is really damaged, but the core was empty . so, what's next ? they can work for months to try to just stop a bad evolution . For now, it's normal to try to cool it , to prevent real big damage. but, after a while, when things will be under control, it's easier to burry the whole thing than to dispose of all the waste parts
by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 4:38:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:38:33 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:38:33 AM
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@Joshua Diamond, i agree but there are some pointers towards a breach of some kind, if you look at the rapport from JAIF (Page 4, Major data), the reactor pressures and CV pressures are almost identical. Source:
www.jaif.or.jp
by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 4:38:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:38:23 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:38:23 AM
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@Alin It's going to be a mess no matter what. Only good thing is if it raises awareness and makes people think that there are worse things than a few hundreths of a per cent rise in CO2.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 4:38:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:38:22 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:38:22 AM
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@Alin What we have not seen is a full explanation of what the plan is to stabilize the situation and clean up contamination. The presumption is, there may be no such plan.
by Bobby1 at 3/26/2011 4:38:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:38:18 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:38:18 AM
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Right- am I totally pessimistic to think something like this could really turn into a much larger scale of disaster...Maybe its my ignorance- but I really feel like Japan is done for sometime. I get the impression with all the speculation and silence- the problem is nothing quite like what we've seen before. We choose to compare it and look for anything similar- but development by development its turning out to be a totally foreign topic. It alarms me when quotations from "Experts" or Speakers are purely speculation and "We don't knows" ...without disrespecting- sounds like some of these people are stumped just like us. (Only maybe a tad less stumped) . Okay...sorry for the novel. I owe you all a beer.
by stef at 3/26/2011 4:37:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:37:06 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:37:06 AM
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@Alin a big mountain above Fukushima plant .. I'm pessimistic
by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 4:33:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:33:47 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:33:47 AM
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@Alin There is no good outcome. If everything went perfect from here on out clean up would still take years and years.
by Jeff at 3/26/2011 4:33:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:33:42 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:33:42 AM
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Albert in Manila, you were looking for links for the sidebar thingy ... please visit
fukushima.wikispaces.com where several of the watcher community have been editing the wiki and adding links. (That activity started before this excellent blog came online.)
by Sky at 3/26/2011 4:33:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:33:08 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:33:08 AM
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@stef you know, at 51, my science based classes come from hours on internet ;-)
by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 4:32:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:32:46 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:32:46 AM
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Fukushima Nuclear Accident Update Log, 26March2011, 1515UTC. www.laea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.htm/
by MaryW at 3/26/2011 4:32:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:32:36 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:32:36 AM
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It seems to me that much (most?) of what we see here is essentially reactive (no pun intended). Does anyone have a sense of where, if the situation ever is stabilized, we would look to try to move towards? Does anyone have a feel for what a good outcome might look like? In a month? In a year?
by Alin at 3/26/2011 4:32:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:32:28 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:32:28 AM
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The IAEA says in their 14:30 UTC update: "There have been high radiation readings in Units 1 and 3, the likelihood of damage to the containment integrity of Unit 3 is a cause for concern." (http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html)
by Rucco at 3/26/2011 4:32:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:32:13 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:32:13 AM
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In other news, tomorrow morning is going to be below freezing again in the Tohoku region :'(.
by borrrden at 3/26/2011 4:32:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:32:08 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:32:08 AM
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@kgriff- I was just typing about that. @Futureisnow- thank you for the addition in information. I feel like I should have paid more attention in all of my science based classes.
by stef at 3/26/2011 4:31:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:31:33 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:31:33 AM
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@WolfDK That is recycled news they stole from the NYTimes. And the NYTimes took the article down.
by NHK Listener at 3/26/2011 4:30:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:30:33 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:30:33 AM
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by kgriff at 3/26/2011 4:29:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:29:55 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:29:55 AM
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@stef @borrrden, its not definite as borrrden pointed out the source is anonymous
by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 4:29:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:29:13 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:29:13 AM
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@WolfDK I am not keen on the NYT's source for that article. "A senior nuclear executive who insisted on anonymity but has broad contacts in Japan" -- in other words "Some suit who stands to make money on this and claims to know someone who knows someone who lives in Japan and heard about the reactor accident". Also, if you read the rest of the article, they also quote others who say that the found radioisotopes can be explained in other ways.
by Joshua Diamond at 3/26/2011 4:29:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:29:05 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:29:05 AM
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@wolf article seen 2 days ago, I agree with Borrrden . no source: "some one say..."
by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 4:29:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:29:00 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:29:00 AM
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@ Borrrden- CNN has used the same tactic- when discussing the possibility of a mandatory evac with personnel.
by stef at 3/26/2011 4:28:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:28:44 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:28:44 AM
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@WolfDK That article couldn't possibly be more vague on its source...."A senior nuclear executive who insisted on anonymity but has broad contacts in Japan"
by borrrden at 3/26/2011 4:27:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:27:57 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:27:57 AM
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@ Wolf- okay so now that this is definitely the case which we all knew but they're confirming it...what has to be done going forward?
by stef at 3/26/2011 4:27:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:27:02 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:27:02 AM
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@stef on a "normal fuel, after the fission, plutonium is 1% (wikipedia) With Mox, it is from 6 to 7 %, before fusion, which is a fair difference . France have 12 plants using Mox, the other one was Japan. it's true that it is know since 1960, but it was rejected first by the usa. Usa which would have in future some mox fuel plant . for the moment, it's france, switzerland, and Japan . Japan have developped it's own Mox production, which is not yet operationnal, in the north east of Japan
by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 4:26:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:26:59 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:26:59 AM
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Fukushima No. 3 has “long vertical crack” down side reactor vessel – Nuclear Exec.
March 25th, 2011 at 06:02 PM
enenews.com
by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 4:26:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:26:26 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:26:26 AM
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by hans at 3/26/2011 4:26:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:26:14 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:26:14 AM
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@Karen Warren "On March 2, 2011, just days before the start of the current earthquake catastrophe, Japan's nuclear regulators lobbed accusations of mass negligence against Tepco. It alleged that Tepco had failed to inspect 33 pieces of equipment at the Fukushima-Daiichi plant, one of the sites of the current catastrophe, including central cooling system elements in the six reactors, and spent fuel pools that hadn't been inspected according to regulations. The company has since admitted to having made the errors." (Japanese Nuclear Plant Operator Plagued by Scandal
www.spiegel.de )
by kgriff at 3/26/2011 4:25:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:25:14 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:25:14 AM
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by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 4:25:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:25:10 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:25:10 AM
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Failure studies usually focus on a single component failure - they don't have a grasp on the different permutations that occur when multiple components fail at once.
by Bobby1 at 3/26/2011 4:22:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:22:04 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:22:04 AM
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What do I know...I went to school for business/comm. :)
by stef at 3/26/2011 4:21:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:21:35 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:21:35 AM
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by radioguy at 3/26/2011 4:21:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:21:33 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:21:33 AM
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@borrrden, yes- thats basically what they are saying. But, what I'm wondering- and I still didn't totally understand- is whether it is a small amount or large- it was still deemed dangerous overall. I think that article just points out "We should be more careful, oh and by the way...we shouldn't use mox so much"
by stef at 3/26/2011 4:21:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:21:22 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:21:22 AM
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by Karen Warren at 3/26/2011 4:21:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:21:08 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:21:08 AM
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@Jim Carver - Yes. Adding the GE engineers issues to the CNIC bit Dean posted about the questionable MOX assemblies it's not good. It's the failing point of so many systems: enough redundancy to cover one bad actor in a system where you've built other bad actors in by trying to cut costs and corners.
by radioguy at 3/26/2011 4:20:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:20:04 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:20:04 AM
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@stef I am not in a position to comment on it. The one thing that I take away from it is that this plant has much less MOX fuel than many other plants do (<6% as opposed to 40% or so).
by borrrden at 3/26/2011 4:19:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:19:26 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:19:26 AM
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But I have more understood what happen than with 3 hours of Nhk, lol
by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 4:18:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:18:24 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:18:24 AM
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@borrrden; What is your take on that article?
by stef at 3/26/2011 4:18:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:18:06 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:18:06 AM
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unfortunately, their stream is a bit messy to follow the recorded one, and one is still missing
by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 4:17:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:17:50 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:17:50 AM
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Out for a bit, Keep the info flowing George, et al!!!!
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 4:17:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:17:44 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:17:44 AM
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@ borrrden; Thanks for the article.
by stef at 3/26/2011 4:17:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:17:16 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:17:16 AM
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Another: Fukushima Engineer Says He Helped Cover Up Flaw at Dai-Ichi Reactor No. 4
www.bloomberg.com
by Karen Warren at 3/26/2011 4:17:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:17:12 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:17:12 AM
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by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 4:16:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:16:04 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:16:04 AM
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@Jim this enginer have explained for several hours what was his thinking about the situation, I posted several links for the ustream page, it's very informative
by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 4:15:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:15:21 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:15:21 AM
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@stef well how about this article on MOX then? :)
www.ans.org
by borrrden at 3/26/2011 4:14:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:14:48 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:14:48 AM
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@radioguy Remember the piece about the engineer who quit GE over safety issues in the design of the plant?
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 4:13:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:13:36 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:13:36 AM
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@futureisnow good to know thanks
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 4:13:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:13:15 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:13:15 AM
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@ radioguy- I think this is actually a much bigger issue than anyone is making it out to be. I'm really concerned with those articles that dean posted on MOX.
by stef at 3/26/2011 4:13:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:13:01 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:13:01 AM
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@george here is a loggin with my google account . I change it a little to fit, I can't choose another nickname, but it's quite the same. so it's the last time you have to auto-me ;-)
by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 4:11:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:11:50 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:11:50 AM
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I have to go. My OCD meter is flagging (ha ha!), and I have stuff to do. If Bev shows up, please ask her for the 'white paper' link that she posted. I went back last night, found her post and the link isn't working. Hopefully, she saved it on her PC/Mac. Thanks all!
by Karen Warren at 3/26/2011 4:11:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:11:39 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:11:39 AM
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@Karen Smart move on their part when every other outlet on the planet seems to be done with it.
by radioguy at 3/26/2011 4:11:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:11:23 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:11:23 AM
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Does anyone now how they plan on containing the water pumped from the turbine buildings?
by Jeff at 3/26/2011 4:11:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:11:17 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:11:17 AM
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@stef @Paul For a while, along with mixing up Plant numbers and Reactor numbers Fukushima plant number 1, reactor number 3) there seemed to be a tendency to mix up the builders as well. If I hadn't read up on the plant on wiki the first day, I wouldn't have known that GE actually designed and built the site. News outlets would drop in Toshiba or Hitachi as builders when mentioning the reactor vessels they built. As soon as the talk started zeroing in on GE, the story was moved below the fold.
by radioguy at 3/26/2011 4:10:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:10:20 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:10:20 AM
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@ Karen- thats because New York is ruthless!
by stef at 3/26/2011 4:09:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:09:45 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:09:45 AM
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Another personal observation: The New York Times is really digging into the story.
by Karen Warren at 3/26/2011 4:09:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:09:20 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:09:20 AM
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@Karen Warren Revisionist history?
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 4:08:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:08:58 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:08:58 AM
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@ Karen; I know exactly what you're talking about. I noted that also.
by stef at 3/26/2011 4:08:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:08:41 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:08:41 AM
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@Joshua Diamond My concern would be the gate that separates the dry well head. If it was torn open the water would be halved and the fuel rods tossed about like toys in a bathtub. And that was a 7.0 on the video the japan quake was a 9.0 so that's a pretty dramatic difference.
by NHK Listener at 3/26/2011 4:08:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:08:36 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:08:36 AM
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Talking about conspiracies: A few days ago, wikipedia had a blip that stated that Kan "ordered" the spraying of sea water. It's on Reuters somewhere, but the link has been updated and the comment has been removed.
by Karen Warren at 3/26/2011 4:07:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:07:54 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:07:54 AM
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@Nancy No worries, we're here for the long haul.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 4:07:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:07:01 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:07:01 AM
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Please note: I use conspiracy lightly. I'm no survivalist in the mountains of montana- but I believe what we are told is doctored- and that is total garbage.
by stef at 3/26/2011 4:06:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:06:54 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:06:54 AM
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@Nancy I'll keep this site going as long as possible
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 4:06:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:06:36 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:06:36 AM
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I believe that even the military was told very little while info traveled down the chains of command. It seems like all of the people I communicate with that have a friend/family member on the same ship heard the exact same answer. How could anyone NOT be concerned or worried about a conspiracy? It's classic, like when you're a kid and you get together with your siblings to hide a lie: When all your stories match up perfectly, its been doctored. So sad that the media is affected when they should be informing. Very disheartening.
by stef at 3/26/2011 4:06:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:06:00 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:06:00 AM
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If this is going to get shut down today please someone post where everyone is moving to. Out to go do things.
by Nancy at 3/26/2011 4:05:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:05:45 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:05:45 AM
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I could setup a static IP, but, see how it goes.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 4:04:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:04:39 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:04:39 AM
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@Paul. The same thing happened in WI with the public protests against the state killing public unions. There were hundreds of thousand of people protesting for a month straight. There was more media coverage on foreign media about it than US. US media barely mentioned it. The common thought is that it was unattractive for businesses who are pushing the killing of public sector and they didn't want people around the US seeing the large uprising.
by Nancy at 3/26/2011 4:04:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:04:35 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:04:35 AM
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@futureisnow Thanks for the help - I was wondering about this also
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 4:03:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:03:47 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:03:47 AM
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@ Jim Carver : george was right, it's ip dependant
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 4:03:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:03:20 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:03:20 AM
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@stef Sadly, we are all in that boat. At least we can share concerns and maybe get some knowledgeable answers here to ease our worries
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 4:03:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:03:13 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:03:13 AM
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@Paul (UK) I don't know what is worse, a cover-up, or possibly the experts in charge themselves lack information.
by Bobby1 at 3/26/2011 4:03:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:03:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:03:11 AM
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@NHK Listener Re: pool video -- agree it is impressive, but note how much of the water remained in the pool. Also note that spent fuel pools have meters of water above the level of the fuel rods...
by Joshua Diamond at 3/26/2011 4:02:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:02:59 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:02:59 AM
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[@george yes, I try to find a way of loging with that nickname and the accounts they accept here, no need to approove this message, thanks for the tremendous work you're doing for this blog . When I found a way, if I can't use the same nickname, I will mail you from futureisnow @ walla.com]
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 4:02:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:02:46 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:02:46 AM
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@WolfDK: Thank you, that sounds logical!
by Mina at 3/26/2011 4:02:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:02:07 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:02:07 AM
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@futureisnow My IP rotates every six hours or so. But I've only signed in once, last night.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 4:01:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:01:07 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:01:07 AM
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@Mina, only Gamma radiation will be powerful enough to penetrate the camera lens and housing, in the reference video i posted the CCD chip have been cut open to allow Alpha radiation to hit the chip.
by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 4:00:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 4:00:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:00:56 AM
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@ Paul (UK) That is the truth- I'm so upset right now and extremely worried. I have been following he news non stop for any answer at all.
by stef at 3/26/2011 3:59:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:59:38 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:59:38 AM
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@kb, Oh I am sure they do already. But they will have to set up way more to achieve improved sampling and a greater spatial resolution. The stuff may fallout in hot spots that need to be identified.
by Peter Melzer at 3/26/2011 3:59:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:59:27 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:59:27 AM
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by NHK Listener at 3/26/2011 3:59:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:59:24 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:59:24 AM
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If you jump half way through this video. You can see the effects and earthquake has on water.. Also note the pool lights are torn out.
by NHK Listener at 3/26/2011 3:59:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:59:22 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:59:22 AM
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[george, you were right, it depend on ip]
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 3:58:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:58:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:58:56 AM
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[test for george new ip, let's see if i'm still in auto]
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 3:58:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:58:55 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:58:55 AM
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@futureisnow I have to auto-approve you again
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 3:58:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:58:50 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:58:50 AM
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@Peter Melzer Probably Reverse Osmosis (RO), very common these days. Had it not been for the earthquake the Japanese could have made some for cooling.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 3:58:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:58:09 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:58:09 AM
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@stef Yeah, mainstream sources have all been given the nod & wink by the powers that be to shove all this under the carpet. I've never witnessed such an obvious and blatant media blackout/laundering in my life. Why did Reuters pull their mainstream live blog I wonder?
by Paul (UK) at 3/26/2011 3:57:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:57:55 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:57:55 AM
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by Joshua Diamond at 3/26/2011 3:57:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:57:50 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:57:50 AM
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@Karen Warren no worries i got it covered
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 3:57:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:57:34 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:57:34 AM
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If there it's only a trial period, I believe that it's only $20/mo. (correct?). I'm sure that we can pass-the-hat.
by Karen Warren at 3/26/2011 3:57:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:57:09 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:57:09 AM
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For reference on how radiation looks when hitting a digital camera chip (CCD) take a look at this video: [UPDATED] radioactivity on video - just like inside chernobyl
www.youtube.com
by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 3:56:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:56:59 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:56:59 AM
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Thank you, I just found this. I just don't understand this - how can the estimates from zmag based on CTBTO data be that early emissions (first 4 days) of Cs was about 50% of Chernobyls in first 10 days if no reactor has blown up? Where did it all come from - spent fuel? When the explosions happened I heard on the news that this didn't seem so bad (hydrogen explosions, this is NOT Chernobyl where HUGE amounts of radioactive material was plunged into the air etc) But 50 % is huge. Have I misunderstood something completey? Sorry if this is a very stupid question - maybe it is all clear to you -I have not been able to follow all of the disussion here.
by Jill in Sweden at 3/26/2011 3:56:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:56:29 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:56:29 AM
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@WolfDK I wonder radiation level it takes to do that. With that number and some distance measurements, we could even get a very rough reading by looking at the effect on the video?
by radioguy at 3/26/2011 3:55:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:55:53 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:55:53 AM
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@futureisnow I'll put a ticket in and see how they actually use chat name/IP address
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 3:55:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:55:43 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:55:43 AM
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@WolfDK: Saw that, too. Can anybody say what radiation is needed that you see it that way, I mean how high has it to be or isn't that possible to say?
by Mina at 3/26/2011 3:55:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:55:42 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:55:42 AM
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@WolfDK original footage on MOD's channel with less noise... :
www.youtube.com
by pg at 3/26/2011 3:55:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:55:19 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:55:19 AM
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@Janis, we live in Virginia and I am not worried for us to date. Our water is purified in a Bosch fridge, and I checked out the specs of the cartridges. Since they are quite expensive, I thought they must be good for something.
by Peter Melzer at 3/26/2011 3:55:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:55:16 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:55:16 AM
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@george dynamic. each connection a new one. I can deconnect now, for test purpose if it help
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 3:54:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:54:04 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:54:04 AM
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@WolfDK Noticed that also. I think it may be likely.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 3:53:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:53:37 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:53:37 AM
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@futureisnow so is your IP dynamic or like mine semi static -switched every few weeks
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 3:52:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:52:53 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:52:53 AM
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@Jim Carver true, when they done it, they sign the death of the reactor
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 3:52:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:52:39 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:52:39 AM
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Thanks for the facebook link - I joined BUT this is I think more user friendly.
by stef at 3/26/2011 3:52:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:52:12 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:52:12 AM
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@radioguy Precipitation of salts should be avoided. That's why seawater was a desperate move.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 3:51:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:51:48 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:51:48 AM
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Tried to post this on the Reuters blog some days ago, notice the noise on the picture when the camera gets close to the reactors, looks like intense radiation hitting the camera chip (CCD) : Detailed close-up aerial video of wrecked reactors at Fukushima
www.youtube.com Please comment
by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 3:51:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:51:47 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:51:47 AM
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@Indreba Some people on the internet don't like Facebook . @all, just in case, my email is futureisnow @ walla.com (to not be so anonymous ;-) )
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 3:51:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:51:13 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:51:13 AM
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And it saturates. as water boils out and leaves salt, the boiling point will rise as the salt level increases. I doubt the change affects much, but the concentration finally reaches super-saturation and it starts crystallizing out.
by radioguy at 3/26/2011 3:48:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:48:43 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:48:43 AM
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@Dean very useful conversion site. many thanks!
by marie rich at 3/26/2011 3:47:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:47:50 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:47:50 AM
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Overview of recent developments: Fears of radioactive seawater grow near nuke plant despite efforts
english.kyodonews.jp
by kb at 3/26/2011 3:47:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:47:29 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:47:29 AM
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It hold less heat differential as it worms.
by radioguy at 3/26/2011 3:47:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:47:17 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:47:17 AM
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Lots of the ex Reuters people are here on this Facebook group now, and we have our Facebook photos and IDs which make it very easy to see who is who. Also it's permanent whereas I don't know what happens with this Scribble blog here after a month when they will want the person running it to pay a monthly fee. On the Facebook page we're also sharing videos that you can comment on and watch on the page, plus we have conversations on each of the threads. It's really good, and really friendly!
www.facebook.com
by Indreba at 3/26/2011 3:47:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:47:06 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:47:06 AM
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by NHK Listener at 3/26/2011 3:47:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:47:00 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:47:00 AM
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@radioguy The effect is minimal however.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 3:46:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:46:57 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:46:57 AM
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@radioguy The water doesn't have to boil to transfer heat.
by borrrden at 3/26/2011 3:46:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:46:53 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:46:53 AM
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@Rucco Good point, because I don't know what George have chosen, but if it is the free account, it will stop after 1000 messages, as far as I have understand it..
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 3:46:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:46:13 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:46:13 AM
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@Dawn Barker The boiling point of water changes with dissolved solubles. Fresh water boils at 100 C at sea level. Sea water boils at 103.7 C at sea level. So the salt water is cutting ~4 degrees C off of the cooling effectiveness of the water.
by radioguy at 3/26/2011 3:46:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:46:06 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:46:06 AM
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Not to mention, this gets saved. Facebook gets washed away.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 3:45:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:45:48 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:45:48 AM
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I know this has been posted before, but here is a page is most of the news sites and a ton of information links.
fukushima.wikispaces.com
by Jeff at 3/26/2011 3:45:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:45:37 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:45:37 AM
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@Bobby1 That site seem kinda bleek
by NHK Listener at 3/26/2011 3:45:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:45:35 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:45:35 AM
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If the blog has a significant success, I'll be more than happy to contribute for the monthly charge(s)
by Rucco at 3/26/2011 3:44:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:44:51 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:44:51 AM
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and yes borrrden- Deans should come in shifts
by stef at 3/26/2011 3:44:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:44:35 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:44:35 AM
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Seriously though, I'm very concerned for a lot of reasons- but has per my facebook comments- my boyfriend is currently aiding Japan in all of this catastrophe. I had plans to see him in September for the first time in 10 months...and now I'm sure it is scrapped. Can anyone knowledgeable speculate on the outcome of the US Military bases and how likely they will be to even reside there. It's looking grim, and I feel like that its almost like we're losing our most valuable asset in the Pacific.
by stef at 3/26/2011 3:44:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:44:14 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:44:14 AM
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@George Gibb, this format is great, don't let it go. If this
by Rucco at 3/26/2011 3:44:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:44:12 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:44:12 AM
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Bye Dean!
by borrrden at 3/26/2011 3:43:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:43:50 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:43:50 AM
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"All official agencies are conspicuously silent about the alpha-emitters Plutonium and Uranium. We remain deeply concerned about this lack of information."
www.llrc.org
by Bobby1 at 3/26/2011 3:43:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:43:45 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:43:45 AM
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I also want to thank Dean. For more than a week, his voice has been about the only one who has brought clarity to this situation.
by Andy at 3/26/2011 3:43:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:43:42 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:43:42 AM
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@Indreba This format is more user friendly.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 3:43:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:43:31 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:43:31 AM
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I need to run errands for awhile.. cya all later...
by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:43:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:43:30 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:43:30 AM
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Still learning/reading about Scribble Live manual is a little sketchy and thin in places
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 3:43:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:43:23 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:43:23 AM
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your all welcome...
by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:43:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:43:06 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:43:06 AM
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Bill Nye was interviewed the other day, watching him look so concerned made me think "where did the science guy go?" I think anyone with a scientific background is getting more concerned by the day.
by Patrick Kelley at 3/26/2011 3:43:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:43:05 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:43:05 AM
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#Dean: I value too your opinions, before and now.
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 3:42:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:42:49 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:42:49 AM
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ty Dean for your input and ALL your posts/links
by Hermine at 3/26/2011 3:42:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:42:29 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:42:29 AM
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A lot of people from Reuters are also on here and we have our Facebook photos/IDs that are instantly recognisable there, it's very homely and we can watch videos on the page, share and preview links and have conversations and chats.. Plus it's a permanent group whereas I don't know what will happen with this scribble page as scribble usually does a free month's trial and then it's a monthly charge..? LOADS of people are on the Facebook group, feel free to join.. the more the merrier :0)
by Indreba at 3/26/2011 3:42:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:42:15 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:42:15 AM
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@Peter Melzer Tap water is being monitored, look here
atmc.jp (Also check out the other sections on radioactivity readings, rainfall etc)
by kb at 3/26/2011 3:41:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:41:57 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:41:57 AM
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Future, I think it's understandable that we are all somewhat paranoid and wonder who to trust at the moment.
by Janis at 3/26/2011 3:41:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:41:57 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:41:57 AM
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@Dean I value your opinion and your posts - keep em coming
by fiona at 3/26/2011 3:41:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:41:29 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:41:29 AM
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@futureisnow no worries, I think everyone's critical eye is open WIDE right now, seeing subtle changes make us go hmmmm... the important thing is we take the input we get back on what we are thinking like you did and be able to quell our suspicions.
by Canadian at 3/26/2011 3:41:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:41:15 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:41:15 AM
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sorry to have been off topic, it was just my opinion since one hour
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 3:40:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:40:48 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:40:48 AM
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some times I get to talking too much too.. and make too many posts... it's better maybe to answer quesitons is all
by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:39:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:39:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:39:56 AM
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@stef I wouldn't mind Dean clones if they were equally smart...they could come in shifts xD.
by borrrden at 3/26/2011 3:39:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:39:53 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:39:53 AM
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@Dawn Barker The boiling point of water should remain at 100C at STP (Standard Temperature and Pressure). Boiling point goes up with an increase in pressure.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 3:39:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:39:31 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:39:31 AM
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ha ha stef...
by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:39:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:39:26 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:39:26 AM
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Thanks, Peter, so you have a countertop unit? Thinking of sending one to my daughter in Los Angeles..
by Janis at 3/26/2011 3:39:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:39:23 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:39:23 AM
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ty George
by Hermine at 3/26/2011 3:39:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:39:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:39:11 AM
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@George Gibb : my ip is a floating ip
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 3:38:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:38:58 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:38:58 AM
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@George Gibb Really? So you can only use the same name from 1 IP address?
by borrrden at 3/26/2011 3:38:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:38:57 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:38:57 AM
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Whoa...divas. Password protected.... Im just glad there is still a way to keep up with what is going on. We all know the mainstream media isn't. In fact, conspiracy: Gov kidnapped Dean for his knowledgeable brain! Or...Radiation makes Dean mutate and he has clones everywhere!
by stef at 3/26/2011 3:38:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:38:53 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:38:53 AM
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@Janis, I believe they do. But they fill quickly. Ours recommends a change every six months. If I was living in Tokyo, I'd change mine every two. Distilled water should certainly be clean, but you would not want to drink that pure.
by Peter Melzer at 3/26/2011 3:38:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:38:42 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:38:42 AM
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Just so everyone knows - your chat name is tied to your IP address so auto approve works only with the initial sign-in chat name
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 3:38:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:38:17 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:38:17 AM
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are we really devolving to conspiracy theories about dean now?
by Patrick Kelley at 3/26/2011 3:38:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:38:04 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:38:04 AM
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@futureisnow I know I'm not the same radioguy I was at the beginning of this. I'm getting more cynical by the day as I watch the tap dancing..
by radioguy at 3/26/2011 3:37:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:37:48 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:37:48 AM
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by kgriff at 3/26/2011 3:37:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:37:45 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:37:45 AM
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may be as I said it was paranoia, and Canadian is right. it was just an opinion, so sorry if I was wrong .
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 3:37:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:37:33 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:37:33 AM
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I thought the same thing before. How do we know if Dean is the same Dean each time if there is no password required :(. I was hoping he could get some kind of protected account like the Reuters mods had.....
by borrrden at 3/26/2011 3:37:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:37:18 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:37:18 AM
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I want to share accurate information to every one and if I say or post anything that seems wrong please tell me.. .in reality I am very concerned...
by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:37:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:37:10 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:37:10 AM
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Nice just found this. Glad someone picked up where reuters left off.
by Jeff at 3/26/2011 3:36:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:36:48 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:36:48 AM
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I don't care what he calls himself.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 3:36:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:36:41 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:36:41 AM
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@futureisnow I think here Dean has a little bit more latitude than he did at Reuters so he is more freely sharing information/opinion perhaps.
by Canadian at 3/26/2011 3:35:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:35:37 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:35:37 AM
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@dean the links you gave, for instance. there is a lot of differences.
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 3:35:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:35:26 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:35:26 AM
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future: the forum is looser than Reuters, i.e., more relaxed.
by Karen Warren at 3/26/2011 3:35:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:35:24 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:35:24 AM
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From yesterdays report Union of Concerned Scientists ~ Unit 3 reactor vessel, the Unit 3 containment building, and those pressures would seem to suggest that the reactor vessel is still intact, because the pressures are different. If there had been a substantial breach, those two pressures would have equalized over time. So, it's contradictory data. I think that's reflective of the situation over there"
by elise at 3/26/2011 3:34:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:34:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:34:56 AM
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@I don't know, may be someone wanting to have respect, or audience.
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 3:34:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:34:55 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:34:55 AM
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in what way futureisnow?
by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:34:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:34:47 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:34:47 AM
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futureisnow.. I'm the same dean
by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:34:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:34:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:34:32 AM
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@futureisnow Dean clones?
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 3:34:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:34:12 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:34:12 AM
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by pg at 3/26/2011 3:32:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:32:51 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:32:51 AM
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@Dean : I don't think you are the Dean who posted previously at reuters and here this morning. May be a paranoia, may be i'm right. Because your way of thinking seem to have changed ...
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 3:32:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:32:46 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:32:46 AM
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Is abovetopsecret a credible source?
by stef at 3/26/2011 3:32:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:32:40 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:32:40 AM
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by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:31:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:31:37 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:31:37 AM
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Thanks, Dean & Janis - I am concerned as well with the safety of our water. It's all the same world; we drink the same water, eat food that relies on that water, and breathe the same air. As I understand it, water is the only substance that boils at 100C, and so distilled water would likely be 'pure'. But I have a really lousy concept of chemistry, so I may be wrong...
by Dawn Barker at 3/26/2011 3:31:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:31:04 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:31:04 AM
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@Jim: I thin that it's in the white paper report that Bev posted last night.
by Karen Warren at 3/26/2011 3:30:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:30:47 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:30:47 AM
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by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:30:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:30:47 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:30:47 AM
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@dean - I'm a little perturbed at the fact that reactor 3 has been "stable" pressure for some time now. Is it possible the level is "stable" because of the loss of containment? I would think with the immense changes in temperature it would be impossible to achieve stable pressure without venting of the chamber (which they have said they have not done recently) I would imagine a small leak in the reactor would give a stable reading because pressure can't build.
by Patrick Kelley at 3/26/2011 3:30:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:30:15 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:30:15 AM
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@radioguy Maybe I can find the link, but one scientist reported that only about 1.5% of the plutonium in MOX actually undergoes fission and it is put in there to thwart terrorism because "it is too hot to handle" ???
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 3:30:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:30:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:30:03 AM
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the physics of operating with MOX fuel had to be compensated for by the content or ration of Uranium oxide to plutonium oxide so, the plutonium is lower on percentage content to make the fuel act like uranium then compensated for in the reactor
by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:29:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:29:49 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:29:49 AM
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@ Dean at 8:06- Thanks for the link to the 'abovetopsecret' article. Interesting read. I have friends in Tokyo with a 4 month old infant, and I will be sending the link on to them. Thank you, very much, for the time you take to contribute to our knowledge.
by JPH at 3/26/2011 3:29:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:29:47 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:29:47 AM
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can anyone diredt me to a link to convert atmospheric pressur, kPa vs. mpa?
by marie rich at 3/26/2011 3:29:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:29:25 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:29:25 AM
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by
kgriff via
Spiegel.de at 3/26/2011 3:29:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:29:09 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:29:09 AM
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first comment here... George Gibb thank you for this. @dean, that MOX story is a very disconcerting read.
by nls at 3/26/2011 3:28:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:28:19 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:28:19 AM
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@Karen Warren We're all trying to determine the picture, when we have just a few pieces of the jigsaw puzzle.
by Bobby1 at 3/26/2011 3:28:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:28:10 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:28:10 AM
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@elise There was not any in the spent fuel pool.
by borrrden at 3/26/2011 3:28:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:28:06 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:28:06 AM
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Dawn, still on the subject of drinking water, from my understanding iodine is fairly easy to remove. What scares the life out of me is what happens if the other heavy metals get into the water.
by Janis at 3/26/2011 3:27:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:27:53 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:27:53 AM
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I feel like developments are moving at a turtle pace. I'm very concerned about what is going on over there- all of this plutonium talk, etc. Japan would almost be uninhabitable after this, wouldn't it?
by stef at 3/26/2011 3:27:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:27:43 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:27:43 AM
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Here is the (more detailed) report by a water purification company, Lenntech, on iodine in drinking water and its removal.
www.lenntech.com
by borrrden at 3/26/2011 3:27:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:27:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:27:32 AM
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@kb they can't start again the cooling system, because high radioactivity water on the underground: since yesterday, they rely again on external pomps
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 3:27:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:27:27 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:27:27 AM
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@Karen Warren ...yeh, but I'll bet GoJ didn't know themselves because TEPCO didn't know themselves but had an awful suspicion...
by MaryMary at 3/26/2011 3:27:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:27:18 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:27:18 AM
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@Debra Beckham check out youtube user ubuibme24
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 3:27:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:27:12 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:27:12 AM
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mox was loaded last fall ~ what I do not understand is why there would already mox in the spent fuel pool for reactor 3, isnt the fuel used for years?
by elise at 3/26/2011 3:27:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:27:08 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:27:08 AM
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@kb: Pumps are not working. What is the date of that report? I thought that they converted to fresh water. Anyone?
by Karen Warren at 3/26/2011 3:27:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:27:04 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:27:04 AM
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@George Gibb; @Ralph Unger : TYVM for setting this up, i love this format. I'll be here around the clock checking the news and trying to provide useful info. when relevant. Thanks again!
by Rucco at 3/26/2011 3:26:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:26:30 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:26:30 AM
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By the way, in units 2 and 4, seawater is being injected (as opposed to sprayed).
by kb at 3/26/2011 3:25:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:25:25 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:25:25 AM
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I said it last night, but I'll mention it again. Some of the brightest minds in the world are on the ground or in a supporting position. It's inherent to its culture. Japan is a proud nation. Not going to go religious here, but pride is the greatest sin. It took Obama 5 days to call the PM of Japan. After all that I've learned over the past two weeks, it is now beginning to make sense. US wanted to know what was going on at Fukushima. GoJ wasn't 'forthcoming' with its answers and still isn't.
by Karen Warren at 3/26/2011 3:24:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:24:53 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:24:53 AM
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@Dean, I think they will still be working on containment in a year from now :(
by Canadian at 3/26/2011 3:24:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:24:50 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:24:50 AM
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@Dean Thanks for the link to the CNIC MOX dangers report. Here's the part that jumped out at me: "When MOX fuel is burned in nuclear plants designed for burning uranium fuel, many safety problems arise. For example, the control rods worth are reduced, the emission of radioactive gasses increase, and difficulties arise due to the lower delayed neutron ratio. (See International MOX Assessment report published by CNIC.) Using MOX fuel which is of a low quality, or which exceeds the reactor's design criteria, further increases the likelihood of accidents. "
by radioguy at 3/26/2011 3:24:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:24:40 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:24:40 AM
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I would have to have other articles on removing radioactive iodine from water to be safe
by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:24:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:24:36 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:24:36 AM
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@Dawn Here is a link to CDC that refrences water treatment, etc.
www.cdc.gov
by marie rich at 3/26/2011 3:24:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:24:21 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:24:21 AM
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Between 5:35 am and 4:05 pm on the 24th, 120 tons of sea water was injected into the SFP of Unit 3. However, between 1:28 pm and 4:00 pm on the 25th, water was sprayed by a fire truck. Injecting water via the coolant system must surely be a better and more efficient way, so could this indicate that those systems are not working as they should? Source:
www.meti.go.jp (in Japanese)
by kb at 3/26/2011 3:23:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:23:37 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:23:37 AM
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@Dean: In a few weeks they will declare the situation as "stable" (even if might not really be), and the media will stop reporting, so we won't know what'll happen afterwards. They will probably spend a couple of years trying to clean it up after.
by Jeff at 3/26/2011 3:23:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:23:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:23:11 AM
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@Dean Just look at NASA's shuttle transporter..... same thing.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 3:22:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:22:59 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:22:59 AM
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I hear it is at chernobyl.. at as you can imagine a huge cost and time effort.. it is supposed to be the largest movable structure ever built
by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:22:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:22:17 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:22:17 AM
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by borrrden at 3/26/2011 3:22:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:22:07 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:22:07 AM
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@Dean Mobile containment system construction underway at Chernobyl, Fukushima ??????
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 3:20:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:20:59 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:20:59 AM
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dawn.. that helps... I read some where but would want to get the article
by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:20:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:20:45 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:20:45 AM
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@Dawn Barker It will remove Iodine, at least. Not sure about Caesium.
by borrrden at 3/26/2011 3:20:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:20:33 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:20:33 AM
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every one should mark their calendars and lets see what's going on 1 year from now.. any guesses?
by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:20:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:20:25 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:20:25 AM
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Hmm. Thanks, Peter. I worked in a natural foods kitchen for 13 years and all of our water ran through an RO filter...A huge one that cost a fortune. I wonder, like you, if those portable, home units, that sit on a counter, would actually be "strong enough or big enough" to do the same thing..
by Janis at 3/26/2011 3:20:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:20:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:20:11 AM
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Does anyone know whether distillation followed by running the resultant water through activated charcoal filters will remove all the radioactive particles?
by Dawn Barker at 3/26/2011 3:20:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:20:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:20:03 AM
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@Jim Carver ...I know they wouldn't...but that is a very good idea...a global think tank..(did I just date myself)
by MaryMary at 3/26/2011 3:19:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:19:33 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:19:33 AM
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Hi George. Glad to see you still have this up. I see the Reuters blog is still on hiatus. I like it that while it's on hiatus they arranged it with the newest posts last so it's a 298 page archive of the most useful and innovative coverage of this event on the planet. Good to see so many of the people who made that true have found this backup.
by radioguy at 3/26/2011 3:19:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:19:29 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:19:29 AM
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dennis.. the resin is loaded into casks and must be permanently stored
by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:19:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:19:13 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:19:13 AM
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@futureisnow I think they need some sort of direction. Maybe we can help.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 3:18:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:18:08 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:18:08 AM
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@Janis, in my mind filtration systems that reduce the amounts of potassium cations as well as chlorine should diminish the amounts of cesium and iodine, respectively, since they are in the same group of elements in the periodic table. How well they do the job may depend on the specific system.
by Peter Melzer at 3/26/2011 3:17:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:17:43 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:17:43 AM
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@Dean What do you do with the resin when its no longer useful for "cleaning"?
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 3:17:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:17:36 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:17:36 AM
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@futureisnow I think the concern is not to incite panic - i totally understand
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 3:17:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:17:10 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:17:10 AM
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by Debra Beckham edited by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 3:16:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:16:25 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:16:25 AM
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they can remove radioactive particles from water.. plants to it with warm waste treatment facilities that have anion and cation beds and water flows through then the activity particles collect on the resin beads... then you have to use more resin
by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:16:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:16:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:16:03 AM
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@George Gibb and editors will approve when someone told them to approove. I'm kidding a bit, but they just put thei blog live again, 20 minutes after the news that you have open this place come on facebook .. I, as some others, found it strange that they close it the day where it is the most important to have it open. but I don't want to let my dark conspirasionist side take over my mind ;-)
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 3:15:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:15:57 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:15:57 AM
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@Canadian @Jim Carver @George Gibb, Thanks didn't realize that the blog changed direction (newest post last)
by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 3:15:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:15:46 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:15:46 AM
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@fiona 108 right now
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 3:15:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:15:39 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:15:39 AM
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wish there was a way of knowing how many followers are here
by fiona at 3/26/2011 3:15:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:15:13 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:15:13 AM
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Dean, It's pretty obvious (at least, to me it is) that there is no one at the helm. The IAEA is reliant on TEPCO and GoJ agencies for its info. UN involment? Who knows.
by Karen Warren at 3/26/2011 3:15:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:15:10 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:15:10 AM
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@MaryMary Hope so. Smile :)
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 3:14:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:14:33 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:14:33 AM
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@Canadian ...lol...they are reading this, now....
by MaryMary at 3/26/2011 3:13:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:13:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:13:03 AM
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Reuters had said they will resume when the editors approve
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 3:12:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:12:29 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:12:29 AM
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@WolfDK They put it back where it was when they closed it the first time.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 3:12:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:12:21 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:12:21 AM
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@WolfDK scroll to the bottom of the first page, Reiterating that the live blog is going on hiatus. Will be back when editors give the go-ahead. Thanks all.
by Reuters_david.lalmalsawma at 3/26/2011 4:59:09 AM12:59 AM
by Canadian at 3/26/2011 3:11:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:11:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:11:56 AM
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What happened to the original Reuters blog ? Last post showing is : "@Reuters_UrvashiSibal wat a brave photographer. Many thanks!!
comment by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 3:38:44 AM4:38 AM"
by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 3:11:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:11:23 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:11:23 AM
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Speaking of Reverse Osmosis filters..I see varying reports on whether or not they can remove fallout particulate from water.. Anyone know for sure?
by Janis at 3/26/2011 3:11:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:11:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:11:11 AM
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@futulre: Because of liability, everyone is posturing and doing so very, very carefully. Don't know if you read this
www.reuters.com
by Karen Warren at 3/26/2011 3:10:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:10:25 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:10:25 AM
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What does this mean for US Navy bases in Japan going forward?
by stef at 3/26/2011 3:10:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:10:13 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:10:13 AM
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@Debra Beckham Speaking of that disaster - use this link
www.targetmap.com pan over to the gulf and start zooming in around the gulf of mexico label looking for 3 blobs - they appeared recently. Any guess as to what they are?
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 3:10:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:10:09 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:10:09 AM
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I want to see an interntional team with a spokes person,,, the japanese can update their own people.. but we need global updates off the country.... also, in the USA on a nuclear accident the limits of rad levels are based on the "SITE BOUNDARY'.. maybe that is why they use the front gate
by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:09:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:09:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:09:56 AM
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*talking about the antiaging treatment
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 3:09:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:09:55 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:09:55 AM
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@Peter Melzer I was surprised that the Japanese didn't come up with their own RO water.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 3:09:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:09:45 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:09:45 AM
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by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 3:09:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:09:39 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:09:39 AM
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@Dean Yes, 32 out of 548 total (under 6%) :)
by borrrden at 3/26/2011 3:08:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:08:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:08:56 AM
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the web site I posted is some observations on MOX fuel
by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:08:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:08:38 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:08:38 AM
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borrrden.. that's good to know.. so 32 out of several hundred are mox units..
by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:08:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:08:06 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:08:06 AM
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@Dennis: If the water itself is not capeable of holding so much radioacivity, it could be pumped back - theoretically. But if it is so hot because it transported radioactive material, then pumping the water out would leave them with emitting the same radioacivity in the turbine rooms, but uncovered. Doesn't sound exciting either
by Max at 3/26/2011 3:07:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:07:38 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:07:38 AM
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I think that US is gagging scientists to keep from focusing the real responsiblity on japan. they are the responsible govt
by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:07:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:07:31 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:07:31 AM
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@Karen Warren it seem to have started to be used in september 2010, according to Wikipedia .
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 3:07:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:07:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:07:11 AM
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by borrrden at 3/26/2011 3:07:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:07:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:07:03 AM
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@Debra Beckham Which means that our own gov't ignores its own Bill of Rights. Thankfully, we would overthrow them if they ever cut off the internet.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 3:06:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:06:26 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:06:26 AM
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by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:06:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:06:08 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:06:08 AM
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@Dean The number I heard was 32 MOX units, but I don't have a source ready.
by borrrden at 3/26/2011 3:05:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:05:49 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:05:49 AM
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@jay77, you are welcome. I wrote up a small essay on my scoop on the radiation problems here:
brainmindinst.blogspot.com I don't know what your folks are doing professionally. But in case they have access to a biomedical research laboratory, life science buildings are commonly equipped with separate water filtration systems for highly purified deionized water. A water purification specialist commented on this site the other day, recommending reverse osmosis filtration as the best. I researched a bit myself and came to the conclusion that even block coal filters like in high-end fridges may help, if the cartridges are changed frequently.
by Peter Melzer at 3/26/2011 3:05:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:05:41 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:05:41 AM
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Speaking of censorship, if the US is gagging scientists over the BP spill, you can be sure we won't get facts on the nuclear issue:
www.dailymail.co.uk
by Debra Beckham at 3/26/2011 3:04:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:04:59 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:04:59 AM
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@Karen Warren a fuse . (i learned a new english word, lol)
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 3:04:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:04:35 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:04:35 AM
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The MOX fuel is fairly fresh - that I remember.
by Karen Warren at 3/26/2011 3:04:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:04:31 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:04:31 AM
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It was published a week ago, memory says about 52-58 rods are mox
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 3:04:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:04:27 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:04:27 AM
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@Dean: I believe all three reactors are now injected with water instead of sea water now
by Jeff at 3/26/2011 3:04:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:04:14 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:04:14 AM
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I don't know how many total MOX fuel elements are in #3 reactor.. anyone else heard?
by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:04:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:04:05 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:04:05 AM
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future: fusible?
by Karen Warren at 3/26/2011 3:03:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:03:41 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:03:41 AM
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@audi No harm, no foul. Just preventing any trends lol
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 3:03:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:03:30 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:03:30 AM
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@Dean yes, and the bad is that Mox have more plutonium than Chernobyl had.. Plutonium is produced by fission, but Mox already have a much bigger amount in it :(
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 3:02:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:02:52 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:02:52 AM
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have there been any developments ?
by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:02:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:02:46 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:02:46 AM
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Thanks from me as well for setting this up. It is an invaluable service and much appreciated.
by Andy at 3/26/2011 3:02:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:02:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:02:03 AM
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Some of the Reuters moderators did a good job and some didn't. This is much better because the information flow is quicker & w/o censorship.
by Karen Warren at 3/26/2011 3:01:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:01:55 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:01:55 AM
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Good morning, everyone. Many thanks for continuing this blog - it's so important to have a comunication regarding this event since the media either can't (or won't) cover it.
by Christine at 3/26/2011 3:01:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:01:28 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:01:28 AM
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Thanks Dean for that awesome bit of info there
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 3:00:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:00:53 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:00:53 AM
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hi every one.. back for a bit
by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:00:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:00:52 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:00:52 AM
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@Karen Warren I posted on reuters, but I was moderated, that Government use now the japan nuclear safety commission as a "fusible" (is thet english ? ) and we had exactly the same in France
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 3:00:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:00:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:00:32 AM
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@Max Yes, I wondered this same thing. However it has been broadcast that the levels in that standing water are way unproportional with normal reactor cooling water which leads me to believe that the water has only carried and accumulated radioactive material in those basements.
@Patrick Kelley Yes, a lot of variables. The whole basis of my question is to see if the water itself is actually radioactive or is it simply being a carrier.
and @ marie rich Absolutely. Things we know help us discover things we do not know.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 3:00:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:00:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:00:32 AM
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- Plutonium is recognized as iron by the body and distributed by the blood system. It causes cancers and blood disorders. It has a half-life of 24.400 years and will be present in a 30 km radius around the Chernobyl site for many centuries to come
- Cesium 137 is mistaken for potassium and in absorbed by the muscles
- Iodine 131 is not recognized as a radioactive substance and is therefore absorbed by the thyroid gland. It causes thyroid cancer, particularly in children between 0 and 18 years old. An operation can save the children, but a scar known as the 'Belarussian Necklace' marks them as Chernobyl victims forever
- Strontium 90 is recognized by the body as calcium and causes leukaemia upon distribution throughout the bone
Read more:
www.lenntech.com
by Dean at 3/26/2011 3:00:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:00:30 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:00:30 AM
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Lights Working in Control Room of Reactor No. 2
www.meti.go.jp (in Japanese)
by kb at 3/26/2011 3:00:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 3:00:10 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:00:10 AM
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Didnt mean to knock Reuters,What I meant was, that it was good that George filled the void left after Reuters, eased up, and we still can find all the info and views on things in one place.
by audi at 3/26/2011 2:59:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:59:35 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:59:35 AM
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@marie rich I'm not sure we can compare sea force with steam force as we seen it coming out from the damaged plants.. (and I live at 15 kms of the sea, and never have salt on my car ;-) )
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 2:58:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:58:46 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:58:46 AM
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Speaking to a national audience at a news conference on Friday night, two weeks after the magnitude 9.0 earthquake and the devastating tsunami that followed it, Prime Minister Naoto Kan dodged a reporter’s question about whether the government was ordering a full evacuation, saying officials were simply following the recommendation of the Japan Nuclear Safety Commission.
www.nytimes.com
by Karen Warren at 3/26/2011 2:58:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:58:39 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:58:39 AM
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Fear and Devastation on the Road to Japan's Nuclear Disaster Zone (interesting article)
www.independent.co.uk
by jay77 at 3/26/2011 2:57:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:57:25 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:57:25 AM
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Thanks for setting this up and moderating. As with the Reuter's liveblog, this will help to bear witness for the victims in Japan.
by Deirdre at 3/26/2011 2:57:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:57:23 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:57:23 AM
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@Dennis Tucker Wouldn't the salt concentrations be higher because ofboiling in the spent fuel pools? Even if there's no overflow,salt is carried on the air. you should've seen my car after a day at the beach when I lived in Fl.
by marie rich at 3/26/2011 2:55:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:55:55 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:55:55 AM
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@dennis - too many variables, there is also a maximum dilution factor of H20 and I would imagine with the immense amount of radioactive nuclides that this water is completely saturated, making it extremely difficult to tell (the salt is lighter then the nuclides, therefore replacement of salt by heavy metals would make the source impossible to detect, because the salinity, even if from the reactor, would be less due the high amount of heavier particles.)
by Patrick Kelley at 3/26/2011 2:55:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:55:43 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:55:43 AM
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@Dennis: I wonder a little. A reactor is normally cooled in a closed water loop. Active as well as inactive. This water must be highly contaminated. If that contamination of water rises the danger of becoming critical that much, why is a closed loop possible at all?
On the Other hand: in reality it would be a theoretical solution, and I don't think there is a empty covered pool that size available. So I guess there's no option at hands as to pump it into the sea.
by Max at 3/26/2011 2:54:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:54:38 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:54:38 AM
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@audi Reuters did an excellent job and continue to do so.
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 2:54:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:54:26 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:54:26 AM
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@Peter Melzer I fear this too . they try to evaluate how many tons of water there is (and if the core are leaking, this amount will grow up ) they could use citern trucks, or things like that, or even fill up the barges that were bring with fresh pure water. but anyway, this would end somewhere, one day, and it's not possible to send it to their nuclear waste place, in north east. A "good" thing is a large amount of water have been transformed in steam.
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 2:54:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:54:25 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:54:25 AM
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Please don't blast Reuters. They started this (concept, no offense George!!), after all. And they did a great job as well.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 2:53:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:53:53 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:53:53 AM
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Good afternoon/morning George, Nice to see your hard work has payed off, Who needs Reuters now,to keep up to date.
by audi at 3/26/2011 2:52:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:52:47 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:52:47 AM
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Wanted to throw in a thank you for setting this thing here up! Now I have to look through what already was written, thank you all so much for all the information!
by Mina at 3/26/2011 2:51:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:51:47 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:51:47 AM
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by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 2:51:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:51:29 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:51:29 AM
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Morning all, and thanks again to George for keeping us connected. Nice to see Dean commenting. (My kids now see me at my computer and ask what the latest news is, and what information Dean has posted lately.)
by JPH at 3/26/2011 2:51:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:51:23 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:51:23 AM
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@Arritipiti This Scribble Live plan option is some features disabled - I am considering upgrading the plan once I get familiar with all the bells and whistles.
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 2:51:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:51:06 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:51:06 AM
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@Dean, I don't see 'em digging holding ponds or levees to hold back contaminated water (does anyone know?). My fear is that much may end up in the sea with the pious wish that it'll dilute rapidly.
by Peter Melzer at 3/26/2011 2:50:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:50:01 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:50:01 AM
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I thought this was an interesting piece on TEPCO attitudes and events.
www.spiegel.de One quote that stood out for me was ""They repeatedly made personal decisions based on their own idea of safety," Katsumata said. But it is clear that those ideas of safety weren't stringent enough. "
by kgriff at 3/26/2011 2:49:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:49:27 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:49:27 AM
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@Patrick Kelley Agreed, but the concentration of salt could give us an indication of the source, such as is water now leaking and removing the salt deposits inside the core, etc
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 2:49:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:49:07 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:49:07 AM
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Last night, I posted a link to a Reuters' article that said that the contaminated water was going to placed in storage containers so it could effectively be removed. Afterwards, I searched and didn't find a corroborating news release from any other source. The article cannot be found on Reuters site this morning. Does anyone have any other information on the subject?
by Karen Warren at 3/26/2011 2:48:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:48:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:48:56 AM
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@Dennis Tucker Jr : Not realy, because they have pourred salt water everywhere :( including spent fuel pools. So it may come from anywhere.
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 2:48:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:48:42 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:48:42 AM
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I was asking if there is the possibility of placing a live counter of connections. I think it's important to monitorize the momentum.
by Arritipiti at 3/26/2011 2:48:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:48:34 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:48:34 AM
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whoever just asked about # of watchers = 98 - please comment again i accidently rejected your comment
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 2:47:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:47:04 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:47:04 AM
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@dennistuckerjr - The are using salt water for everything. not to mention the ocean is right there, I would imagine that the floor of the room that the water was in had salt deposits as well adding to that.
by Patrick Kelley at 3/26/2011 2:46:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:46:51 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:46:51 AM
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lol @kb
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 2:46:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:46:42 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:46:42 AM
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@kb It could, but we are not able to tell WHAT breached though. (i.e. was it cooling or the the actual caontainment vessel?)
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 2:46:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:46:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:46:32 AM
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@Dennis Tucker Sorry, i read that as 'sanity values' and thought you were asking about radioactivity. My bad!
by kb at 3/26/2011 2:45:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:45:54 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:45:54 AM
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www.nisa.meti.go.jp Radiation levels in the suppression chamber of Unit 1 are considerably higher than in the other units. Also, the pressure in the dry well and the suppression chamber is exactly the same at 0.270 MPa abs. Could this be proof of a breach?
by kb at 3/26/2011 2:45:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:45:15 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:45:15 AM
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@futureisnow The implication of it being saltwater would REALLY help determine it's true source.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 2:44:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:44:17 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:44:17 AM
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www.rerf.jp Radiation Effects Research Foundation "Safety standards — such as the one that limits drinking water exposure for infants— are based on extrapolation....mainly from a 60-year study of health effects of the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August 1945."
www.npr.org
by Pat at 3/26/2011 2:44:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:44:01 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:44:01 AM
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Thanks, @Terratalk and @vindolin for the tip to lotsa great links at fukushima.wikispaces.com. Pardon the laggard response. I was quite bushed ("lowbatt" in our local street lingo here) and had to retire earlier tonight (GMT+8) than expected. Just a quick ack that, indeed, I got your referrals. Will work on those...
by Albert Lee in Manila at 3/26/2011 2:43:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:43:50 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:43:50 AM
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Thank you kb, I saw that earlier. It does not indicate salinity values however.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 2:43:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:43:45 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:43:45 AM
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@Dennis Tucker Jr I don't know, I have not found the information anywhere. But, considering that they pump salt water since 14 days, it's likely it is mostly salt water. [opinion]
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 2:43:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:43:31 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:43:31 AM
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Morning all. Things holding up, I take it.
by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 2:43:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:43:19 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:43:19 AM
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Good morning, George and all. I mostly lurked at Reuters but am a part of the Facebook group from last night. (Just to introduce myself)
by Good morning...Wow, same... at 3/26/2011 2:43:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:43:18 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:43:18 AM
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by kb at 3/26/2011 2:42:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:42:36 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:42:36 AM
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by kgriff at 3/26/2011 2:42:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:42:06 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:42:06 AM
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Good Morning All:
by Karen Warren at 3/26/2011 2:41:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:41:58 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:41:58 AM
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@futureisnow I was going to ask about that---- have they checked the salinity of the water in those basements?
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 2:41:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:41:49 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:41:49 AM
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@Dennis Tucker Jr And the other thing is that this water is mostly Salt water, and they don't want no more inject salt water in core or spent fuel pools.
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 2:40:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:40:50 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:40:50 AM
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okay, I've been going over some of the data I noted. Some things popped out at me- y'all chime in. At first, radiation values were being given out for several locations: mp6, mp7, mp3 main gate, etc. But they've only been citing readings at the main gate since 21MAR. WHY? They even have IAEA and USA additional monitoring stations. Until 15Mar, they had temp. data on unit 4 spent fuel pool, generally reading at 84C. Normal is below 25C. Then on 24Mar, Nisa gave a reading of 100C, and then said it was a 'wrong indication'. on 20 Mar they said the pressure in unit 3 was getting to high at 320kPa and they might need to vent, but yesterday's reading was in the 400's,i f I remember correctly, and they don't say anything?
by marie rich at 3/26/2011 2:40:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:40:26 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:40:26 AM
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A couple of points to make about this blog - Reuters must use the enterprise addition of Scribble Live with additional API enhancements. I will make a few improvements today plus add a few more moderators.
by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 2:40:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:40:14 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:40:14 AM
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@Max Us Army have bring 2 barges of pure water, 500 000 gallons, with pipeline to allow pumping. for now, they seem to use it
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 2:39:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:39:20 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:39:20 AM
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@Max Increased levels of iodine in the ocean at the outflows seem to indicate they are letting it run into the sea. A point made on NHK this morning was that by getting the control rooms operational again, they can monitor temperature which a large rise in temp would indicate water coming from the reactor. They also mention, quite offhand, that it was considerably hotter in there than it had been.
by MaryMary at 3/26/2011 2:39:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:39:07 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:39:07 AM
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Thanks for setting up this!
by Mejin at 3/26/2011 2:38:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:38:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:38:56 AM
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@Max I think that this would be a very bad idea. They have already stated that the water is highly more radioactive than the water used to cool the core. You would run a very high risk of reaching criticality if you were to reinject this water back into a core that you are trying to "turn off".
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 2:38:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:38:41 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:38:41 AM
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@Stormy Thanks
by ilginger at 3/26/2011 2:38:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:38:31 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:38:31 AM
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@Peter Melzer @futureisnow @borrrden Thanks, that is what I have been suspecting. I'm suggesting they keep their bathtub filled with water in case the water supply gets contaminated again, and keep a good supply of food on-hand in case food gets hard to come by. Otherwise, they probably don't need to worry. If the worst scenario happened, of course, I'd still be hoping they book a flight back to the US and move away for a few years...
by jay77 at 3/26/2011 2:38:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:38:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:38:11 AM
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I think the best thing to do is to keep informed, and this blog is a Real good thing, because it multiply our information power: each one give the others what he have found. it's an information cluster... I repost a link for the Cnic ustream page, because they have as guest Mr Tanaka for some conferences today, a former ingenior and designer of Fukushima containment vessel. I found him very informative , the sad thing is that it's a bit hard to follow their recorded event, and it seem to be one missing for now. But it's translated in english, and if you have time, at least that man build it ...
www.ustream.tv Cnic seem to be more "no nuclear", so take that in count, but Mr Tanaka give a good explanation
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 2:36:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:36:36 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:36:36 AM
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Good morning & thank you George.
by Debra Beckham at 3/26/2011 2:36:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:36:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:36:32 AM
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If I've understood the situation correctly, the puddles were found in the turbine buildings which are separated from the reactor buildings. Since some report mentioned that water may have leaked out of the reactor through an inflow valve, I suspect this is the case and not necessarily that water has seeped out from cracks in the reactors themselves, containments or spent fuel pools. All of the water that has been pumped into the reactor core but does not seem to have covered the core may have gone to the turbine buildings.
by kb at 3/26/2011 2:36:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:36:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:36:11 AM
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Some questions in the media about where to pump the water , but no real answers I've heard of. I think they simply have to pump it into the sea. Returning them as coolant into the reactor would be an alternative for me, as the radioactivity is no additional danger there, but I doubt if they have the possibility.
It would also be interesting how hot the water is there (in Celsius) to get a clue where it comes from.
by Max at 3/26/2011 2:36:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:36:09 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:36:09 AM
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@Jay77 The chances for a large scale explosion have diminished immensely. There is still a very slight chance of a steam explosion that would release a huge amount of radiation, however if it hasn't happened yet, it probably won't. Now the big worry is the slow leak of nuclides into the environment. I believe if there is a crack in the reactor (NYtime aritcle) then the explosion would have already happened. The question is how do we go from playing "whack a mole" in the reactors to some sense of stability. And how do we seal these reactors up?
Chernobyl's "sarcophagus" is not working in the long term and they are in the process replacing it with a billion dollar movable structure. Fukushima is a huge plant with a total of 4 reactors needing containment. The job will be immense and we still have no idea how to do that in a seismically active region. Until it is sealed radiation will continue to seep, and eventually you may see far worse health effects then chernobyl if they don't figure it out.
by Patrick Kelley at 3/26/2011 2:35:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:35:59 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:35:59 AM
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Thank you MaryMary. I will check that out.
by Stormy at 3/26/2011 2:34:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:34:09 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:34:09 AM
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NHK's newsline indicated that the "puddles" in the turbine room were much deeper (if I understood correctly) today than Wednesday.
by MaryMary at 3/26/2011 2:33:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:33:38 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:33:38 AM
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@ilginger - If you go to page 3 of the archives on this on here, I asked a very similar question of Dean this morning and he responded. Page 3 about 3/4 of the way down the page. Hope this helps.
by Stormy at 3/26/2011 2:33:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:33:17 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:33:17 AM
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@jay77, as I see it, at Chernobyl the reactor was torn apart by a huge explosion and the core material was thrown high into the atmosphere. That has not happened here. Moreover, whatever material escaped into the air at Fukushima in the past two weeks was mostly blown toward the sea. Hence, the impacted land area will be smaller. As we already can see, the challenge will be organizing access to clean water and making sure that the food is safe. The government will have to set up countless monitoring stations primarily testing for long lived beta-emitter contamination. As long as there is no new large-scale release, the iodine problem will diminish within weeks because of the short half life of iodine-131. Your folks must not panic.
by Peter Melzer at 3/26/2011 2:33:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:33:07 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:33:07 AM
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I thought those were abnormally deep "puddles" myself. Do you know if they are pumping into a containment vessel of some kind or out to sea?
by Stormy at 3/26/2011 2:30:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:30:29 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:30:29 AM
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A question about the the latest WHO situation report:
www.wpro.who.int
On page 16 I read: "China reported the detection of "abnormal" radioactivity levels of two Japanese passengers
from Japan to China on 23 March. According to the news reports, the two passengers were
living in Nagano Prefecture and Saitama Prefecture respectively in Japan and had not left their
prefecture after the earthquake. The measures implemented included the decontamination
and radiation injury treatment at the designated hospital for nuclear/radiation contamination
and medical treatment."
Saitama prefecture is near Tokio, and Nagano is 300 Km south Fukushima: what about this?
(Sorry for my english)
by ilginger at 3/26/2011 2:30:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:30:19 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:30:19 AM
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TS: Naturally also many thanks for setting up this page ;-)
by Max at 3/26/2011 2:28:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:28:17 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:28:17 AM
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@Stormy: I find it interesting, they talk about "puddles" in the media. 40cm is no puddle and I can't imagine some regional puddles of 1,5m in a turbine building. Isn't it flooded between 40cm and 1,5m depending on which building they talk? All I heard today they're trying to pump it out. No real status at my hands so far
by Max at 3/26/2011 2:27:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:27:44 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:27:44 AM
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by ilginger at 3/26/2011 2:27:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:27:37 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:27:37 AM
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kgriff via
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Does anyone know if the "puddles" in the turbine room have increased or decreased since discovery? It would be interesting to know if they are gathering more water or draining away.
by Stormy at 3/26/2011 2:22:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:22:29 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:22:29 AM
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@jay77 Worst scenario will be a meltdown and explosion of a core. Hopefully, we are not in that case, and you will be warned by media at the second of it, which was not the case in Chernobyl . Nuclear scientist have feared a nuclear explosion for Chernobyl , and that would have been much worse. 220 Kms is far away, to have the time to get prepared or leave. and, if it can "help" if an explosion and criticity occurs, all the world will be concerned . But, I'm confident that it will not happen.
by futureisnow at 3/26/2011 2:20:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:20:10 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:20:10 AM
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I am as well, if someone smarter than I (not terribly difficult I would imagine...) were to give an answer :).
by borrrden at 3/26/2011 2:16:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:16:14 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:16:14 AM
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by
John via
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I too am interested in the answer for jay77's question..thanks
by dervish at 3/26/2011 2:15:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:15:28 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:15:28 AM
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For auto approval
by dervish at 3/26/2011 2:14:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:14:47 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:14:47 AM
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by nestor at 3/26/2011 2:14:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:14:36 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:14:36 AM
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oups, didn't have time to post the link!
by nestor at 3/26/2011 2:14:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 2:14:34 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:14:34 AM