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Contaminated water methodology employed at Fukushima. Updated: www.iaea.org

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 11:17:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:17:21 PM" ) )5:17 PM
naively, can't they just pump the waste water back into the reactor for cooling at least then they shouldn't have a net increase in the water leaking around.. although i guess a cooling loop closed via random leaks is a bit sub-optimal

by sims at 3/30/2011 11:16:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:16:50 PM" ) )5:16 PM
OT: If you want a good laugh, take a break and watch this ... humor is medicine for the soul. www.youtube.com

by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 11:13:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:13:55 PM" ) )5:13 PM
How poignant: Cherry Blossoms Bloom Alone as Japanese Mourn Victims www.bloomberg.com

by Rob in SF at 3/30/2011 11:13:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:13:30 PM" ) )5:13 PM
from what I can see.. they are pumping the contaminated water from the treanches or in the building into the condensation area, and then from their to other places including the surge tank.. looks like they will use every thing available in the building to store the waste water....

by dean at 3/30/2011 11:13:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:13:14 PM" ) )5:13 PM
@dean It is the same link that sims provided. Thanks for the interpretation.

by gabe at 3/30/2011 11:12:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:12:26 PM" ) )5:12 PM
elaine it looks like some sort of stack... and I ssee the small blueish bottom area

by dean at 3/30/2011 11:11:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:11:33 PM" ) )5:11 PM
gabe I can't get that dang thing to open

by dean at 3/30/2011 11:10:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:10:57 PM" ) )5:10 PM
Anyone know what this is it is on a roof just north of #3 on this pic photos.oregonlive.com

by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 11:08:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:08:38 PM" ) )5:08 PM
I can't come to the same conclusion based on those two writeups on criticality, they are based on speculation not fact and not many nuclear physicists are going to stick their neck out and begin to do anything more than say.. it could be probable that the fuel corium could form a critical mass with all the necessary conditions being perfect and have a spontaneous criticality... in the canal pools for spent fuel they maintain the storage grids in such a way to prevent the fuel elements being accidently moved into a critical array.. but this is whole different story...

by dean at 3/30/2011 11:08:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:08:22 PM" ) )5:08 PM
Fracking is wHAT I MENT... Wouldn't it be nice if the Natural gas equipment could slow progression. Or Co2 or some thing...

by caraBnr at 3/30/2011 11:07:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:07:20 PM" ) )5:07 PM
@marie rich I'd think something like that would be great if you're fighting a fire at relatively low temps, probably pretty combustible if you're talking about sustained, significantly higher temps. The key there is probably getting the water onto the material burning and keeping it there to cool the material below the point where combustion is self-sustaining - so it's all about the water.

by pj at 3/30/2011 11:07:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:07:19 PM" ) )5:07 PM
@Miles It doesn't surprise me. The radiation from Chernobyl nuclear plant spread across more than a dozen countries in Europe.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 11:06:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:06:56 PM" ) )5:06 PM
@all for anyone interested, here is a topographical map of Japan. Click on section nj54-10 for Fukushima (the map section is shown in more detail if you click on the map once you get to the nj54-10 page)

From the University of Texas Library:
Map of Japan
www.lib.utexas.edu

Map of section NJ54-10
www.lib.utexas.edu

by dtinla via Lib.utexas.edu at 3/30/2011 11:06:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:06:38 PM" ) )5:06 PM
Re:http://lewis.armscontrolwonk.com/files/2011/03/Cause_of_the_high_Cl38_Radioactivity.pdf Mostly beyond me, but anxiously awaiting Dean's translation/summary.

by gabe at 3/30/2011 11:05:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:05:10 PM" ) )5:05 PM
this will sound crazy, but I'l;l throw it out there. Afirefighter in Fl. has started marketing a fire suppressent made out of...wet diaper material

by marie rich at 3/30/2011 11:04:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:04:57 PM" ) )5:04 PM
Focus is har... but is this a viable proposition to shoot something into the ground/// Perhaps horizontally perhaps from the ocean with some big fracing machine and stop the flow down?

by caraBnr at 3/30/2011 11:04:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:04:54 PM" ) )5:04 PM
Chernobyl's Legacy: Health, Environmental and Socio-Economic Impacts - www.iaea.org This is the latest 55 page PDF report from the Chernobyl Forum. Lots of info... Approx. 7 million people are receiving various compensatory funds (health care, disability, retirement...) as a result of that mess.

by Miles at 3/30/2011 11:04:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:04:24 PM" ) )5:04 PM
@Dean and all - could someone clarify for me the material used for protecting measuring devices from becoming contaminated? In the images we see of people being screened, all the devices are (and rightly so) covered. Any idea what kind of polymer is being used?

by pj at 3/30/2011 11:04:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:04:04 PM" ) )5:04 PM
@ids Whilst I would usually agree, what harm can a quiet prayer from each of us do? I am an agnostic, but will give it a go under the circumstances.

by Mand at 3/30/2011 11:03:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:03:11 PM" ) )5:03 PM
@sims agreed - the specific heat of water alone makes it pretty superb for cooling stuff, and then there is the heat of vaporization to boot.

by pj at 3/30/2011 11:02:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:02:49 PM" ) )5:02 PM
@pj also in terms of actual cooling power (if your temp is >100 degrees) vaporisation of water is pretty hard to beat.. anything gas-based is just going to cool less in comparison and cause massive amounts of pressure... now if only that water didn't leak all over the place

by sims at 3/30/2011 11:01:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 11:01:43 PM" ) )5:01 PM
@mainejen, please keep spiritual text to yourself. I really don't want to hear about "the power of healing prayer" on this blog.

by ids at 3/30/2011 10:58:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:58:58 PM" ) )4:58 PM
My worry about anything we think of as "cold", like liquid N2 or solid CO2 could contribute to a pressure explosion when it is warmed quickly in a closed space. Every watch the Timewarp video of a 2-liter bottle filled with dry ice? Wowza! Also, exposing something really hot to something really cold is a fairly good recipe for disaster - we've cracked laboratory benchtops with dry ice and magnesium (not intentionally!).

by pj at 3/30/2011 10:58:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:58:14 PM" ) )4:58 PM
@dean bloomberg quotes this paper as their source lewis.armscontrolwonk.com (this is the news article: www.bloomberg.com )

by sims at 3/30/2011 10:58:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:58:00 PM" ) )4:58 PM
@Matsuoko Haha, I misquoted so it all came out of context. Ignore that.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 10:54:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:54:47 PM" ) )4:54 PM
may i have that link to the reports of fission going on ?

by dean at 3/30/2011 10:54:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:54:45 PM" ) )4:54 PM
rob.. we've said all along that the NW of the reactor is the HOT spot,,, it sure took a long time to come to that realization...

by dean at 3/30/2011 10:54:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:54:18 PM" ) )4:54 PM
IAEA tonight confirming hotspots Northwest of the plant where radioactivity is so high as to require urgent evacuation of people in the area. blogs.nature.com

by Rob in SF at 3/30/2011 10:53:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:53:33 PM" ) )4:53 PM
I heard one man say.. thats like a little boy tinkling in the ocean to raise the tide... sorry if that was a bad example...

by dean at 3/30/2011 10:53:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:53:14 PM" ) )4:53 PM
what abvout the drills they use for fracking Natural gass could you put it inb there?

by caraBnr at 3/30/2011 10:53:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:53:02 PM" ) )4:53 PM
I think they used some of that at chernobyl but to what success who knows

by dean at 3/30/2011 10:52:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:52:18 PM" ) )4:52 PM
@caraBnr: liquid co2 but you need a lot of pressure for that.. only exists either as solid or gas at normal pressure

by sims at 3/30/2011 10:52:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:52:05 PM" ) )4:52 PM
@caraBnr Doesn't normally occur at normal pressure.

by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 10:51:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:51:59 PM" ) )4:51 PM
What about liquid nitrogen?

by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 10:51:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:51:55 PM" ) )4:51 PM
Could you pour it over the sand?

by caraBnr at 3/30/2011 10:51:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:51:35 PM" ) )4:51 PM
usually the co2 fire extinguishers put out a cloud of co2...

by dean at 3/30/2011 10:51:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:51:33 PM" ) )4:51 PM
@Pedro Jesus : ah, that's why i see a sofa by the side - i wondered ..... :)

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 10:51:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:51:27 PM" ) )4:51 PM
What is dry ice in liquid form?

by caraBnr at 3/30/2011 10:51:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:51:19 PM" ) )4:51 PM
it could possibly explode if put in the core

by dean at 3/30/2011 10:50:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:50:56 PM" ) )4:50 PM
@sims Correct

by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 10:50:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:50:31 PM" ) )4:50 PM
I wish they would be sure to clarify fissions verses criticality due to critical mass... the uranium needs thermal neutrons to fission.. now, if there is no/limited water there is a small chance of having thermal neutrons.. if, on the other hand the delayed neutrons from the core debris did have water present or in the debris then the delayed neutrons could have reached a thermal state.. but I can't see a continuous fission.. if that were the case there could be a prompt critical event..

by dean at 3/30/2011 10:50:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:50:19 PM" ) )4:50 PM
@Jim Carver: Sure, but dry ice is CO2, isn't it?

by sims at 3/30/2011 10:50:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:50:12 PM" ) )4:50 PM
by NHK Listener via I51.tinypic at 3/30/2011 10:50:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:50:02 PM" ) )4:50 PM
by NHK Listener via I53.tinypic at 3/30/2011 10:49:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:49:38 PM" ) )4:49 PM

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@sims Water has the highest specific heat of any common substance with a value of 1.00

by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 10:49:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:49:37 PM" ) )4:49 PM
@Pedro Jesus duhh

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 10:48:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:48:30 PM" ) )4:48 PM
@NHK Listener Those are replications of a nuclear reactor, not of the whole plant. Just to clarify.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 10:48:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:48:10 PM" ) )4:48 PM
@caraBnr: don't think dry ice has a very high temperature capacity tbh, so doubt it would help very much apart from cause a lot of extra gas pressure

by sims at 3/30/2011 10:48:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:48:08 PM" ) )4:48 PM
@all so save em if you want them

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 10:47:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:47:49 PM" ) )4:47 PM
NHK those pictures are fantastic.. excellent work

by dean at 3/30/2011 10:47:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:47:31 PM" ) )4:47 PM
@all I got these from a guy who works at a plant in the us so not really any info other than what you see

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 10:47:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:47:17 PM" ) )4:47 PM
there were two blasts. the second of which spewed debris into the air and mixed with the hydrogen explosion with resultant contamination produced from the zirc-water ignitions in the core ... that initial blast could have carried unknown quantities of particulate matter far from the plant and then had them fall to the ground only to be discovered later..

by dean at 3/30/2011 10:47:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:47:17 PM" ) )4:47 PM
@NHK: Nice find and much better than Glenn Becks's peanut M&M & pots and pans model of a reactor. :-)

by Karen Warren at 3/30/2011 10:47:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:47:16 PM" ) )4:47 PM
@Matsuoko - the irony in this criticality discussion of course is.. the confirmation/press releases today about that were all arguing based on the findings of Cl-38 in the water last week, which people have been blogging/talking about for days ;)

by sims at 3/30/2011 10:47:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:47:07 PM" ) )4:47 PM
@NHK Listener : do you have a closer look of the reactor head ?

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 10:46:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:46:02 PM" ) )4:46 PM
Wow I posted that question at the wrong time... Im no scientist but what do you think. I know we probable couldn't freeze the water with dry ice b/c of the high temps....

by caraBnr at 3/30/2011 10:45:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:45:47 PM" ) )4:45 PM
@NHK Listener holy cow!

by Pat at 3/30/2011 10:45:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:45:24 PM" ) )4:45 PM
@dean no worries, I'll be around

by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 10:45:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:45:23 PM" ) )4:45 PM
yes george.. I'm still getting a few calls from work .. arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh

by dean at 3/30/2011 10:44:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:44:19 PM" ) )4:44 PM
by NHK Listener via I56.tinypic at 3/30/2011 10:44:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:44:17 PM" ) )4:44 PM
by NHK Listener via I56.tinypic at 3/30/2011 10:44:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:44:03 PM" ) )4:44 PM
I think it would bubble up and cause the radiation to go gaseous

by caraBnr at 3/30/2011 10:43:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:43:54 PM" ) )4:43 PM
by NHK Listener via I53.tinypic at 3/30/2011 10:43:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:43:48 PM" ) )4:43 PM
by NHK Listener via I51.tinypic at 3/30/2011 10:43:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:43:28 PM" ) )4:43 PM
Question Dean or anyone.... What do you think about dry ice as a way of controling the spread of radiation in the water, combined with other filters....Hepa

by caraBnr at 3/30/2011 10:43:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:43:16 PM" ) )4:43 PM
by NHK Listener via I56.tinypic at 3/30/2011 10:43:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:43:05 PM" ) )4:43 PM
@Scilla : a third confirmation for fission going on in #1.

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 10:42:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:42:52 PM" ) )4:42 PM
Here's a general schematic of a nuclear plant. I do not know how specific this is to Fukushima. www.physicsforums.com

by Jim Carver at 3/30/2011 10:42:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:42:47 PM" ) )4:42 PM
by NHK Listener via I54.tinypic at 3/30/2011 10:42:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:42:44 PM" ) )4:42 PM
Low levels of radiation found in US milk
By MARY CLARE JALONICK, Associated Press
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 www.sfgate.com

by Rob in SF at 3/30/2011 10:40:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:40:23 PM" ) )4:40 PM
Radiation from Japan found in milk in Washington www.businessweek.com

by Sin at 3/30/2011 10:40:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:40:20 PM" ) )4:40 PM
This says fuel melt in no. 1 reactor. I thought 2 and 3 were the biggest culprits. www.bloomberg.com

by Scilla at 3/30/2011 10:39:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:39:03 PM" ) )4:39 PM
@Dean Later, can you drop by the other blog.

by George Gibb at 3/30/2011 10:37:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:37:57 PM" ) )4:37 PM
Tepco use a resin as a neutron sheild on used fuel is this what they are talking of using www.tepco.co.jp

by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 10:37:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:37:53 PM" ) )4:37 PM
re: Kuricoat c 720 green from www.commonchemistry.org
Substance Details
CAS Registry Number: 24937-78-8

CA Index Name: Acetic acid ethenyl ester, polymer with ethene

by Canadian at 3/30/2011 10:37:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:37:23 PM" ) )4:37 PM
@Scilla : sooner or later they will rank it 7, but for now, they don't want to play in the Ch.... league

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 10:36:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:36:58 PM" ) )4:36 PM
Off to be a mom for a few hours. I will look into this Kuricoat stuff and see what comes up. I am worried by a conjecture that it was "fake creosote" and that it posed a fire risk, so I just want to rule that out.

by kaykodh at 3/30/2011 10:36:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:36:40 PM" ) )4:36 PM
@dean An article of theirs from 3 days ago stated that the daily rate was increasing in some areas. Today's article was a confirmation. allthingsnuclear.org

by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 10:36:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:36:23 PM" ) )4:36 PM
@dean - I wasn't aware the length of time that fuel was used had anything to do with the levels of decay heat. Please explain further.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 10:34:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:34:52 PM" ) )4:34 PM
@dean That might be the case. Greenpeace stated that they found that the radiation levels at some places outside the evacuation zone are higher than closer to the nuclear plant. What does this indicate?

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 10:33:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:33:05 PM" ) )4:33 PM
I meant reposting. I love my iPad but typing is so hard!!

by Scilla at 3/30/2011 10:32:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:32:09 PM" ) )4:32 PM
yes Hank.. that was a bonus in TMI because they had only operated for 40 days or so.. and had a very short decay heat level to remove... they were very fortunate... as compared to fukushima which had been operating for a long time and thus needed the full decay heat time to cool the core

by dean at 3/30/2011 10:32:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:32:07 PM" ) )4:32 PM
Reporting the link. Why isn't this INES level 7 by now? allthingsnuclear.org

by Scilla at 3/30/2011 10:31:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:31:18 PM" ) )4:31 PM
bobby.. they have to have some handle on how to sort out what was in the soil before the the accident and then try to point fingers at Cs from the reactor... I think those initial explosions threw such a cloud in the air that perhaps they are picking up readings from those initial events..

by dean at 3/30/2011 10:31:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:31:03 PM" ) )4:31 PM
@kaykodh Except the trees :(

by es at 3/30/2011 10:30:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:30:36 PM" ) )4:30 PM
@Dean - TMI had decay heat from SCRAM to event+5 hours. It's in the link you posted earlier.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/30/2011 10:29:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:29:44 PM" ) )4:29 PM
that's possible fitter, this situation is so hard to predict tho...

by dean at 3/30/2011 10:29:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:29:31 PM" ) )4:29 PM
@dean It would be coming from steam, not water, this is 40km away.

by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 10:28:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:28:41 PM" ) )4:28 PM
@radioguy not sure what you are asking?

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 10:28:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:28:31 PM" ) )4:28 PM

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Can't find anything intelligible about Kuricoat, it's all in japanese. But, it will turn everything green! babelfish.yahoo.com

by kaykodh at 3/30/2011 10:27:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:27:46 PM" ) )4:27 PM
bobby.. I think from previous reports where the Cs137 increased and reports on that the status of the reactor was.. like more steam, or water found.. would explain the rise and fall of it

by dean at 3/30/2011 10:27:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:27:30 PM" ) )4:27 PM
@dean assuming the reactor process superheated steam when operating properly, with breaches in the contaiment vessel "stm relief vents to torus" do you think it would still be producing superheated steam vs steam and this being a variable in the press/temp readings...as superheated steam if allowed to expand..(hence breaches) does not alter the pressure just the temp/volume...

by fitter at 3/30/2011 10:27:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:27:21 PM" ) )4:27 PM
old article but it mentions some dimensions ,,Very high levels of radiation above the storage pools suggest that the water has drained in the 39-foot-deep pools to the point that the 13-foot-high fuel rod assemblies.. www.nytimes.com

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 10:26:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:26:58 PM" ) )4:26 PM
@Peter Melzer How the heck did rad water get there??

by marie rich at 3/30/2011 10:26:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:26:41 PM" ) )4:26 PM
Does anyone have an explanation for an increase in emission of Cesium-137 from the plant recently? allthingsnuclear.org

by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 10:26:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:26:20 PM" ) )4:26 PM
Rob,, in my judgement, TMI fuel didn't leave the vessel as I understand and remember but that was 30-40% melt with stabilization coming faster and not as much decay heat... if the reactors there had no flow and cooling with a much higher decay heat to be removed then I believe that it is feasable that some fuel.. "unknown" how much could have made it there..

by dean at 3/30/2011 10:25:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:25:57 PM" ) )4:25 PM
@marie rich, across (north of) from #1 on the other side of the road.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 10:25:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:25:39 PM" ) )4:25 PM
@radioguy I have no idea. I don't process photos very well. ut it might be significant in terms of where leaks are going.

by marie rich at 3/30/2011 10:25:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:25:26 PM" ) )4:25 PM
Of greatest concern is Cesium137 - Plutonium 239 in seawater and exposure concentrations for pathogenicity. In the context of Plutonium 239:

Tripartite Permissible Dose Conference at Chalk River, Canada, in September 1949. At this conference, representatives from the United States, United Kingdom, and Canada agreed on tolerance doses for many radioactive isotopes, including a maximum body burden of 0.1 microgram for plutonium.

On January 24, 1950, Shields Warren, Austin Brues of Argonne National Laboratory, Robley Evans, Karl Morgan, and Wright Langham met in Washington. Langham wrote later: "As a result of this meeting, Dr. Shields Warren of the Division of Biology and Medicine authorized 0.5 ug (0.033 uc) of Pu239 as the AEC's official operating maximum permissible body burden." [6]

Environmental contamination with Plutonium 239, global ocean circulation and dilution are critical factors for health risks and I would like to see a toxicological impact analysis based on the potential exposure that exceeds the .1 - .5 ug maximum body burden. www.pathobiologics.org

by Rob in SF at 3/30/2011 10:24:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:24:58 PM" ) )4:24 PM
@radioguy hard to find :-( must exist thou

by dude at 3/30/2011 10:24:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:24:31 PM" ) )4:24 PM
Sorry, here's the link. www.ic.unicamp.br Click on each graphic to open a large version for viewing.

by Sky at 3/30/2011 10:24:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:24:00 PM" ) )4:24 PM
@Fiona - a speadsheet-like thingie that you're looking for exists already. Personally I have trouble digesting lists of numbers too. The graph format here gives pertinent info at a glance. Jojo was going to expand upon it last night; i don't know if he has begun doing that yet or not.

by Sky at 3/30/2011 10:23:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:23:36 PM" ) )4:23 PM
@dude And thanks. Not that much greater res, but we're looking for every dpi we can get these days.

by radioguy at 3/30/2011 10:23:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:23:14 PM" ) )4:23 PM
I find this story disconcerting TEPCO propaganda? neinuclearnotes.blogspot.com

by gabe at 3/30/2011 10:23:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:23:11 PM" ) )4:23 PM
by NHK Listener via I128.photobucket at 3/30/2011 10:22:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:22:49 PM" ) )4:22 PM
@gabe hehe

by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 10:22:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:22:36 PM" ) )4:22 PM
@NHK Listener Did you check the circles and arrows and pointers to plant diagrams?

by radioguy at 3/30/2011 10:22:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:22:31 PM" ) )4:22 PM
@NHK Listener yep but higher res

by dude at 3/30/2011 10:22:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:22:04 PM" ) )4:22 PM
@marie rich Is that the big flat building that one of those five samples was marked the other day?

by radioguy at 3/30/2011 10:21:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:21:47 PM" ) )4:21 PM
@dude Same photos as the www.spiegel.de link above

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 10:21:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:21:27 PM" ) )4:21 PM
@Bobby1 We just will have to wait...Keep an eye out for glowing cows;-)

by gabe at 3/30/2011 10:21:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:21:20 PM" ) )4:21 PM
@dude That's great stuff. Nice find.

by radioguy at 3/30/2011 10:20:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:20:09 PM" ) )4:20 PM
@gabe "the levels are expected to drop relatively quickly"??? Where is the cesium data?

by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 10:19:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:19:58 PM" ) )4:19 PM
@dean et al. Is the assumption that corium is on any of the basemats yet or no?

by Rob in SF at 3/30/2011 10:19:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:19:56 PM" ) )4:19 PM
the "resin" stuff that they want to spray, is called "Kuricoat C-720G". maybe anyone wants to look it up.

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 10:19:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:19:32 PM" ) )4:19 PM
Anybody know where the environmental processing facility is?

by marie rich at 3/30/2011 10:18:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:18:54 PM" ) )4:18 PM
@Bobby1 www.sfgate.com

by gabe at 3/30/2011 10:18:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:18:28 PM" ) )4:18 PM
Mining for data- you all prob. know this but there was another puddle on 28Mar. Not the first one re; 3 workers on 24Mar, not the pipe flange dousing of 29Mar. On March 28th, a puddle of water was found at a centralizedc
environmental facility process main building. As a result of a
radioactivity analysis, on March 29th, we detected approximately
1.2 x 10Bq/cm3 in a full dose at a radiation controlled area and 2.2 x
10Bq/cm3 in a full dose at a non-controlled area.
www.tepco.co.jp

by marie rich at 3/30/2011 10:18:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:18:20 PM" ) )4:18 PM
@kaykodh : nice link, also: www.physicsforums.com

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 10:17:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:17:44 PM" ) )4:17 PM
@Salvador Yes, I think it's taken from the NHK heli-cam, but not sure what time of day. Unit 2 venting sounds distinctly possible, though it's a fairly forceful blast. The video shows it better than I can: www.youtube.com

by es at 3/30/2011 10:16:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:16:51 PM" ) )4:16 PM
@Rob in SF You need to multiply those readings by a factor of 10.

by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 10:15:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:15:52 PM" ) )4:15 PM
A link to a Physics forum that is doing a similar kind of analysis on reactor floor plans and what might be breached. www.physicsforums.com Maybe some people here might get something from it?

by kaykodh at 3/30/2011 10:15:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:15:27 PM" ) )4:15 PM
@Bobby 1: Thanks so much for the synopsis. @Duncan: Kanagawa as well. Maybe email me so we keep this off the discussion board? Thanks! tijh@hotmail.com

by JPH at 3/30/2011 10:15:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:15:18 PM" ) )4:15 PM
oops first link didnt show photos.oregonlive.com

by dude edited by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 10:14:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:14:34 PM" ) )4:14 PM
@Bobby1 - Yes. It makes me sick, I think I have to go now I will check in after a four hour hiatus.. See you everybody.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 10:13:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:13:54 PM" ) )4:13 PM
@Salvador : i always had the impression that fukushima is a slow motion chernobyl. we shall see.

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 10:13:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:13:53 PM" ) )4:13 PM
Live map: Potential dispersion of the radioactive cloud over The Northern Hemisphere
This animation displays a potential dispersion of the radioactive cloud (Caesium 137 Isotope) after a nuclear accident in reactor Fukushima I. The continuous release rate is very uncertain, thus the calculations have to be interpreted qualitatively. Dispersion in the near surface level (Level 1), in appr. 2500 m height (Level 12) and in appr. 5000 m height (Level 16). www.weatheronline.co.uk

by Rob in SF at 3/30/2011 10:13:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:13:50 PM" ) )4:13 PM
@Markfm I think this is correct.

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 10:12:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:12:46 PM" ) )4:12 PM
and even better www.google.com

by dude at 3/30/2011 10:12:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:12:45 PM" ) )4:12 PM
just found some even higher resolution photos of the Spiegel versions. check this out

by dude at 3/30/2011 10:12:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:12:35 PM" ) )4:12 PM
@Salvador - at least it's not going west

by openmind at 3/30/2011 10:12:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:12:02 PM" ) )4:12 PM
"Three to five year effort"?! Sorry for my french, but WTF!!!! The soviets buried Chernobyl in 6 months!

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 10:11:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:11:52 PM" ) )4:11 PM
5&6 were supposedly pretty clean, iaea reports are consistently green

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 10:11:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:11:30 PM" ) )4:11 PM
@Lethbridgean This has to be the most massive cover-up in history.

by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 10:11:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:11:22 PM" ) )4:11 PM

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Kuni Yogo, a former atomic energy policy planner in the Japan Science and Technology Agency, said: “There is some trial and error, but this is the beginning of a three- to five-year effort.” www.washingtonsblog.com

by Rob in SF at 3/30/2011 10:10:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:10:37 PM" ) )4:10 PM
@openmind The steam from No. 3 reactor looks like it's in the usual configuaration again, one plume coming from the reactor, one from the SFP.

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 10:10:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:10:34 PM" ) )4:10 PM
@Bobby1 - How conveinent eh?

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 10:10:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:10:29 PM" ) )4:10 PM
For 5&6, I would expect them to purposely bring pressure down to ambient, or near there, just part of a controlled shutdown (might not have any dark meaning).

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 10:10:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:10:12 PM" ) )4:10 PM
@Matsuoko - i thought they got water injection back up in #5&6?

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 10:10:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:10:01 PM" ) )4:10 PM
@Lethbridgean Yeah, it seems they shut down for maintenance when the readings get high - "instrument error", it's supposed to be negligible.

by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 10:09:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:09:25 PM" ) )4:09 PM
they drilled holes in 5/6 roof to prevent explosion. they had high pressure but did not vent them. who knows if the seals held the pressure ?

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 10:08:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:08:56 PM" ) )4:08 PM
@es It depends on the time the actual video was taken. It looks like one of those NHK helicopter videos, correct? MAybe it's steam from No.2 reactor being released through the cable trenches? After all, the torus of #2 is said to be "damaged".

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 10:08:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:08:31 PM" ) )4:08 PM
another way of looking at the same cam pic 7am today
farm6.static.flickr.com

by openmind via Farm6.static.flickr at 3/30/2011 10:08:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:08:29 PM" ) )4:08 PM
Goodnight oli333 - Me too my Husband thinks I'm having an affair!

by fiona at 3/30/2011 10:08:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:08:12 PM" ) )4:08 PM
@Bobby1 - Did you read the story of how most of the monitoring stations were down in Cali last week for "maintenence?

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 10:08:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:08:06 PM" ) )4:08 PM
@Jo Lindien Many thanks.

by es at 3/30/2011 10:06:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:06:51 PM" ) )4:06 PM
@matusuko - thanks for that -I thought they wouldn't extend it because of that - now what excuse can I use to justify it myself as to why its not happening.

by fiona at 3/30/2011 10:06:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:06:41 PM" ) )4:06 PM
by VeenOui via Pointscope01.jp at 3/30/2011 10:06:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:06:38 PM" ) )4:06 PM
@Matsuoko - Guess they took their eye off the ball again.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 10:06:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:06:21 PM" ) )4:06 PM
@Lethbridgean Expect more to come into British Columbia the next few days while California gets a little break.

by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 10:05:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:05:48 PM" ) )4:05 PM
@Matsuoko - so I guess you were not kidding then.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 10:05:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:05:38 PM" ) )4:05 PM
@Lethbridgean that is disturbing...I live in Tennessee, just waiting for it to show up here.

by Sin at 3/30/2011 10:05:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:05:07 PM" ) )4:05 PM
@Lethbridgean : and because they measured high radiation at 5/6 coolant water outlet.

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 10:04:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:04:58 PM" ) )4:04 PM
@NHK Listener - oh great, might as well smoke another cig.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 10:04:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:04:15 PM" ) )4:04 PM
@es: looks like a geyser... Seems more dense than steam... Then I would say water from a broken pipe...

by Jo Lindien at 3/30/2011 10:04:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:04:12 PM" ) )4:04 PM
Another report on the spraying resin plan: www.yomiuri.co.jp "Synthetic resin would likely be used, possibly Kurita Water Industries Ltd.'s Kuricoat C-720 Green. The product is usually used to prevent dust and sand from being blown off reclaimed and developed land. Coating the debris with resin is expected to prevent the radioactive materials from spreading into the air." Any thoughts on that? Is the resin going to be a problem for assessing what's going on in there?

by kaykodh at 3/30/2011 10:04:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:04:01 PM" ) )4:04 PM
the main north/south highway is NOT inside a 40 km evacuation zone. might be 45-50 km away. so no reason.

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 10:03:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:03:50 PM" ) )4:03 PM
@Lethbridgean Because reactor pressures are the same/similar 1-5

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 10:03:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:03:06 PM" ) )4:03 PM
@Salvador - in a slightly different way

by openmind at 3/30/2011 10:03:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:03:03 PM" ) )4:03 PM
@Jo Lindien Stills from the NHK video footage broadcast 19.03.2011: stashbox.org We're looking at Unit 2 and I'd like to know what you (and anyone else!) make of the white steam/smoke emission near the treeline at the left edge of the shots.

by es edited by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 10:02:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:02:30 PM" ) )4:02 PM
@Matsuoko GTFO, really?

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 10:02:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:02:13 PM" ) )4:02 PM
@openmind Reactor 3 steaming away.

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 10:01:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:01:35 PM" ) )4:01 PM
@Sin - last night I checked out monitoring stations closest to me here in Canada. The one in eastern British Columbia was 90% of the one north of Tokyo. Which was the second highest in North America besides Colorado....MMMM.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 10:01:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:01:31 PM" ) )4:01 PM
NRC webcast of briefing from 3/29 (discussion of japan's update) video.nrc.gov

by Sin at 3/30/2011 10:01:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:01:13 PM" ) )4:01 PM
Do we know if the spent fuel store sustained any damage www.tepco.co.jp

by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 10:00:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:00:54 PM" ) )4:00 PM
TEPCO cam 7am Thursday
pointscope01.jp

by openmind via Pointscope01.jp at 3/30/2011 10:00:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:00:45 PM" ) )4:00 PM
another i56.tinypic.com

by NHK Listener via I56.tinypic at 3/30/2011 10:00:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:00:05 PM" ) )4:00 PM
@Max : i suspect they have a leak in 5/6, too

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 10:00:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 10:00:03 PM" ) )4:00 PM
From inside the torus i53.tinypic.com

by NHK Listener via I53.tinypic at 3/30/2011 9:59:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:59:37 PM" ) )3:59 PM
I read in www.tepco.co.jp for no. 4, but also for 5 & 6:
"At this moment, we do not consider any reactor coolant leakage inside the reactor happened." -> They are nor sure. Also in 5 & 6 even after weeks?

by Max at 3/30/2011 9:59:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:59:03 PM" ) )3:59 PM
@Dean Thanks! You are such a great resource and I feel like I've learned an incredible amount in a short time in large part due to your contributions.

by LM at 3/30/2011 9:58:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:58:43 PM" ) )3:58 PM
@Jo - i keep trying to compare figures - but when they don't mean anything to me its kind of difficult - maybe some of techs could put together a spreadsheet kind of thing - a look at a glance - I keep an eye on IAEA forms but day after day the info kinda gets lost on me

by fiona at 3/30/2011 9:58:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:58:27 PM" ) )3:58 PM
in addition.. plants have CATION and ANION systems to remove radioactive isotopes from the primary system.. the resins for these can be very radioactive and in the case of fukushima they would get so hi in radiation that they couldn't go to dispose of them probably..

by dean at 3/30/2011 9:57:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:57:02 PM" ) )3:57 PM
@Salvador - I heard something to that effect two weeks back before the explosion that the pressure was too high for the pumps.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 9:56:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:56:17 PM" ) )3:56 PM
lm .. yes plants have demineralizers for preparing water to use for feed water to the plant systems with proper chemistry control..

by dean at 3/30/2011 9:56:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:56:03 PM" ) )3:56 PM
@Lethbridgean lol

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 9:56:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:56:01 PM" ) )3:56 PM
@Salvador: containment vessel seems broken: its pressure is stabilised at 1 atm, which is not likely to be an accident... The inside pressure is low. I'm looking in archives to figure out if the pressure have been at 1 atm since the explosion

by Jo Lindien at 3/30/2011 9:55:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:55:37 PM" ) )3:55 PM
@Lethbridgean Indeed.

by Sin at 3/30/2011 9:55:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:55:22 PM" ) )3:55 PM
@NHK Listener - Check out the typo on reactor #3 in that document, it says the hydrogen explosion happened March 4th. Ha.!!

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 9:54:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:54:46 PM" ) )3:54 PM

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@Lethbridgean I wonder what happened to the jdf tanks the were bringing in.

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 9:54:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:54:04 PM" ) )3:54 PM
@Leithbridgean Exactly. @Joe Lindien I don't know where the fire line goes in and if it's really connected to the reactor pressure vessel. If the outer containment was breached by the explosion (as I suspect because of the images I've presented here) there is a good chance theat they wanted to cool from the outside. How should they get water in there anyway? The pressure was to high, wasn't it?

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 9:53:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:53:24 PM" ) )3:53 PM
www.tepco.co.jp

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 9:52:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:52:53 PM" ) )3:52 PM
@Sin - I read last week that they moved one of the vehicles used in monitoring the radiation because of high levels were not safe. Made me laugh because they found a spot with a low enough reading that it was safe, that info is the way they could get what reading was nessasary as to not invoke panic, sure negligence..

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 9:52:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:52:43 PM" ) )3:52 PM
@Marie did you come up with any 30 march reactor data?

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 9:52:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:52:16 PM" ) )3:52 PM
@radioguy for specific stills, perhaps reuters might help

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 9:52:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:52:14 PM" ) )3:52 PM
Daiichi does have a decontam plant, but out was damaged in the earthquake/tsunami

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 9:52:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:52:13 PM" ) )3:52 PM
@John Yeah water does not compress.. :-)

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 9:51:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:51:50 PM" ) )3:51 PM
@Dean I read your article on the clean-up at TMI and you'd think the world might have learned something.

by LM at 3/30/2011 9:51:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:51:07 PM" ) )3:51 PM
@john great video

by Dan at 3/30/2011 9:49:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:49:38 PM" ) )3:49 PM
@Dean This is probably a stupid question, but do any plants build demineralizing tanks as a safety back-up for the removal of radioactive particles from contaminated water? You would think it would be a great system to have in place for just such emergencies.

by LM at 3/30/2011 9:49:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:49:35 PM" ) )3:49 PM
@Salvador: in my opinion, if they would not have been able to inject fresh water in the reactor core its temperature and pressure would have raised as water vaporise. From the data we have, which I assume are not forged, that did not happen. I really thing spraying water from outside have no chance of being efficient in any way to cool the reactor core.

by Jo Lindien at 3/30/2011 9:49:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:49:08 PM" ) )3:49 PM
@Bobby1 I think that is most likely.

by Sin at 3/30/2011 9:49:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:49:07 PM" ) )3:49 PM
@marie rich After comparing the two maps,my conclusion is that since this is for vehicle monitoring, they have had a lot of road damage and these points are the most easily accessible.

by Sin at 3/30/2011 9:48:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:48:01 PM" ) )3:48 PM
@Sin Indian point doesn't really look anything like the GE mark 1 but is still cool econtent.unm.edu

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 9:47:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:47:48 PM" ) )3:47 PM
@Sin It looks like the rivers cut passes in NW-SE directions in the mountain range to the west of the plant. This probably forced air and the radioactive particles through them on a certain path.

by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 9:47:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:47:37 PM" ) )3:47 PM
@marie rich ...there is a navigable road which dead-ends south of the plant. Perhaps that is where they are going to get reads?

by MaryMary at 3/30/2011 9:47:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:47:21 PM" ) )3:47 PM
www.washingtonpost.com this is a chronology of TMI after the accident. Basically to look at the time element involved with cleanup

by dean at 3/30/2011 9:47:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:47:09 PM" ) )3:47 PM
not sure of any that I know of radioguy..

by dean at 3/30/2011 9:46:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:46:35 PM" ) )3:46 PM
@Salvador : They didn't have enough at all. There is a cool article on Allthingsnuclear about how much they needed to be pumping given the volume of containment/SFP Volume and the Kilojoules of heat boiling off what was there. They said something like using a squirt gun on a forrest fire, or something to that effect.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 9:46:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:46:30 PM" ) )3:46 PM
@All Let me mention this again in case someone here can help. If anyone knows someone in print media with access to the AP site, or any other news organization with a photo feed, the highest resolutions of these photos we're seeing would help with forensics.

by radioguy at 3/30/2011 9:43:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:43:59 PM" ) )3:43 PM
That photo shows fuel elements and you can make out the basic shape of smaller square elements ... at the base of the photo

by dean at 3/30/2011 9:43:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:43:44 PM" ) )3:43 PM
TMI FUEL DEBRIS FROM MELTDOWN

by dean at 3/30/2011 9:43:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:43:06 PM" ) )3:43 PM
CNN goes inside reactor at Indian Point ( gives a good visualization what the inside looks like) us.cnn.com

by Sin at 3/30/2011 9:43:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:43:04 PM" ) )3:43 PM
I am going to show you all what the inside of the TMI core was like after the meltdown so you can see the tubes the fuel pellets were in and other configurations... some estimate that 70-80% of the core melted in these reactors. based on how long TMI operated and how much decay head there was there in TMI verses FUKUSHIMA reactors.

by dean at 3/30/2011 9:42:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:42:27 PM" ) )3:42 PM
@Jo Lindien I don't know, it just seemed very off right now that they were always talking about the SFP and not about the reactor. I think this here: "The nuclear agency said the utility firm aims to restore a pump by Thursday to inject freshwater into the core of the No. 3 reactor, instead of seawater that has currently been poured using fire pumps." webcache.googleusercontent.com was a partial lie. They couldn't get enough water in there with the fire line (if any, considering the destruction) and so they doused the building with those enormous quantities of water, thousands and thousands of tons. Some for the SFP, but they sprayed on the Steel containment vessel. That's my take on this right now.

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 9:42:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:42:20 PM" ) )3:42 PM
@Sin would you ponder this for a moment? The vehicle-borne monitors ahave been cocentrating in this area 25Mar-28Mar. I find it very strange. www.mext.go.jp

by marie rich at 3/30/2011 9:41:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:41:20 PM" ) )3:41 PM
If anyone want see why explosion was so big watch this video (note: water=steam, explosives=hydrogen and oxygen): www.youtube.com

by John at 3/30/2011 9:41:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:41:06 PM" ) )3:41 PM
@NHK Listener -yes but maybe I was doing too many things at once, that one was better..thanks.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 9:40:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:40:37 PM" ) )3:40 PM
@Lethbridgean You can try this one and click on the oyster creek reactor econtent.unm.edu

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 9:39:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:39:36 PM" ) )3:39 PM
@Lethbridgean do you have an adobe pdf plugin? that is what it uses

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 9:38:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:38:48 PM" ) )3:38 PM
I am a very visual person, it really helps me to be able to see the area, and I found this google map that shows the evacuation zones. IIATE village, where the IAEA and Greenpeace disclose mandatory evacuation levels of Cesium 137 today, is located inbetween the town of DATE and the 20-30 km zone boundary. Note the large number of rivers in the area. maps.google.com

by Sin at 3/30/2011 9:37:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:37:56 PM" ) )3:37 PM
www.iaea.org this is alittle information on TMI.. after accident for reading

by dean at 3/30/2011 9:37:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:37:48 PM" ) )3:37 PM
@NHK Listener- My computer couldn't open that image, the page opened though.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 9:37:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:37:44 PM" ) )3:37 PM
Japanese government wasted valueable time in stalling the evacuation

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 9:35:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:35:41 PM" ) )3:35 PM
@Peter: there's a block of concrete on the floor of the turbine building we can see through the hole that matches the hole form.

by Jo Lindien at 3/30/2011 9:35:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:35:21 PM" ) )3:35 PM
Peter, from what I have seen of that explosion... it could have blown many things to smitherines... spelling...

by dean at 3/30/2011 9:34:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:34:10 PM" ) )3:34 PM
@Salvador: I meant 'to get near the building from the south'...

by Jo Lindien at 3/30/2011 9:34:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:34:03 PM" ) )3:34 PM
it's a sad thing to hear peter.. but I feel that for some distance it's just better to prolong the inevitable and move people to safer areas..

by dean at 3/30/2011 9:33:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:33:22 PM" ) )3:33 PM
I found a better picture of a ge mark 1 reactor that you can zoom in on econtent.unm.edu

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 9:33:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:33:16 PM" ) )3:33 PM
@John - thats what I thought. The oxygen would be generated at the same time that Hydrogen was from the water. That was my only sticking point with how #3 hydrogen explosion was so big. Thanks.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 9:33:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:33:07 PM" ) )3:33 PM
@Salvador: it seems not possible to get near the bulding from the source: look from the drone photos all debris they would have to remove to get there. Then they tried to send water over the building hoping part of it would reach the SFP; seems logical given the situation

by Jo Lindien at 3/30/2011 9:32:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:32:55 PM" ) )3:32 PM
marie.. that's indeed a strange deal.. I'm not sure without really getting into the details on that one

by dean at 3/30/2011 9:32:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:32:33 PM" ) )3:32 PM
Re: explosion of No. 3, wasn't that the one where there was a great quantity of black smoke emitted over several days, and it was said to be lubricating oil burning? (Please verify, as my memory can be wrong.) Anyway maybe there were other flammables in that explosion that contributed to the explosive force and subsequent conflagration?

by Sky at 3/30/2011 9:32:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:32:25 PM" ) )3:32 PM
Here's some photo analysis from thebphysic forum folks. (hope they don't mind). www.physicsforums.com

by Scilla at 3/30/2011 9:31:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:31:54 PM" ) )3:31 PM

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Hi dean, we found a huge hole in the roof of the turbine building off reactor #3 and wondered what landed in there. We have not found the yellow containment cap yet, if I am not mistaken, and, as a late development, more people around the plant will lose their homes owing to greater contamination levels.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 9:31:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:31:07 PM" ) )3:31 PM
oops.. ration=ratio

by ifz at 3/30/2011 9:31:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:31:02 PM" ) )3:31 PM
@Salvador But They said they couldn't get good access sue to debris. You'd need to chk where they were after they cleaned up

by marie rich at 3/30/2011 9:30:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:30:42 PM" ) )3:30 PM
@dan: hydrogen oxygen ration may play a role: en.wikipedia.org

by ifz at 3/30/2011 9:30:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:30:38 PM" ) )3:30 PM
I've wondered if the difference may have been that in R1 it was the top of the outer building blowing off in a hydrogen explosion from the release, but perhaps the R3 hydrogen release was so much more explosively fast (or voluminous) that the unhardened venting system failed and took out the top of that containment around it; that it was an explosion contained by concrete instead of the thinner outer building. Would that fit what we're seeing?

by radioguy at 3/30/2011 9:30:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:30:22 PM" ) )3:30 PM
@Lethbridgean en.wikipedia.org

by John at 3/30/2011 9:29:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:29:19 PM" ) )3:29 PM
Something new I've come up with. Look at this still from the video Tepco released when they started their dousing operations: i.imgur.com We all know by now that the SFP is on the south side of the building. They have detailed plans of the buildings... that means they were cooling the Steel containment vessel with the water canons while telling everyone they were cooling the SFP. Umof

by Salvador via I.imgur at 3/30/2011 9:29:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:29:12 PM" ) )3:29 PM
@Dean I find this odd. And going on the basis of intelligence analysis that you look at what they're looking for, I find this intriguing. Have been doing this 25Mar thru 28Mar (ast data). Any ides? www.mext.go.jp

by marie rich at 3/30/2011 9:29:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:29:05 PM" ) )3:29 PM
I am scouring all pics I find of the site so may come across a better pic or angle I will keep going and just post anything that may interest :)

by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 9:28:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:28:20 PM" ) )3:28 PM
@Peter Melzer - exactly. maybe dean can give us a synopsis of the mechanism of hydrogen/oxygen generation from melting MOX rods not covered with water.? Dean?

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 9:27:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:27:59 PM" ) )3:27 PM
@JPH - How far south of Tokyo do they live? My partner lives in Kanagawa near Yokohama and she says her water supply is different to that of Tokyo, so I'm unsure whether any data on Toyko's water supply will effect your friends.

by Duncan at 3/30/2011 9:27:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:27:59 PM" ) )3:27 PM
@Dean - everyone seems very very busy and stressing out, and there is probably a million questions for you.

by fiona at 3/30/2011 9:27:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:27:31 PM" ) )3:27 PM
@elainekirk: something seem actually spheric in this area but I can hardly figure the perspective comparing with pics from above...

by Jo Lindien at 3/30/2011 9:26:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:26:42 PM" ) )3:26 PM
hi fiona,, glad to be back

by dean at 3/30/2011 9:26:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:26:19 PM" ) )3:26 PM
@Scilla ;) close-up

by openmind at 3/30/2011 9:25:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:25:55 PM" ) )3:25 PM
@Dan, why this unfolded so differently may have to do with the origin of the explosion, that is in the containment vessel or in the building. It is an important point.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 9:25:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:25:43 PM" ) )3:25 PM
My thought is that since the hydrogen/oxygen buildup is random before it sparks, 3 might have just had a better explosive mix. That said, it seemed like an entirely different kind of explosion. Yep. We need a blast expert.

by radioguy at 3/30/2011 9:25:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:25:28 PM" ) )3:25 PM
@hello Dean nice to see you.

by fiona at 3/30/2011 9:24:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:24:58 PM" ) )3:24 PM
Elaine and Salvador - that pic looks like Salvador's avatar!

by Scilla at 3/30/2011 9:24:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:24:44 PM" ) )3:24 PM
@Dean Hello, Teach

by marie rich at 3/30/2011 9:24:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:24:43 PM" ) )3:24 PM
@Dan - #3 had a lot more Hydrogen build up

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 9:23:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:23:39 PM" ) )3:23 PM
@Dan - we need a blast expert here

by openmind at 3/30/2011 9:23:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:23:28 PM" ) )3:23 PM
@Lethbridgean Nothing wrong with healthy debate. I value what you have to share so keep it up..

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 9:22:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:22:22 PM" ) )3:22 PM
@elainekirk @all could it be the containment cap seen from the edge?

by marie rich at 3/30/2011 9:22:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:22:18 PM" ) )3:22 PM
@JPH Radiation in Tokyo has decreased, there is a favorable weather pattern. Tap water is supposed to be OK but who knows. Recently grown vegetables should only be consumed if they came from southern Honshu or the other islands.

by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 9:22:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:22:02 PM" ) )3:22 PM
whewww.. my work took much longer that I had anticipated today.. hello to every one..

by dean at 3/30/2011 9:21:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:21:44 PM" ) )3:21 PM
This is OT, but a lingering question I've had: If the explosions in #1 and #3 were both hydrogen explosions, why do they appear so different and why is #3 charred and #1 not? Why was there a huge fireball with #3 and not with #1?

by Dan at 3/30/2011 9:21:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:21:16 PM" ) )3:21 PM
I think it is sperical like a giant rounded wing nut sorry I am not very techi

by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 9:21:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:21:15 PM" ) )3:21 PM
@marie - someone on here a long time ago - said they would not increase the zone as it would close off the main road North, and that could not happen

by fiona at 3/30/2011 9:20:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:20:39 PM" ) )3:20 PM
Thanks for the info guys. I'm not sure if Jojo was having a dig at me or merely pointing out the authorites slowness to adress these points. Either way it is hard to filter out dates and times of information unless you're glued to this page 24/7.

by Duncan at 3/30/2011 9:20:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:20:32 PM" ) )3:20 PM
@jo it is directly above the brown row of buildings far left www.time.com

by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 9:20:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:20:16 PM" ) )3:20 PM
@NHK Listener - thanks man, sorry I'm a bit of a hot head. When I was a Field operator in the oilpatch I was the youngest guy by 20 years so they always sent me in to shut in well blow-outs. The worst was one day in '94 when our field of 580+ wells had 26 blowouts in two days because of extreme cold,-53 deg. C. Didn't get to rest for 3 days. You should have heard my assesment of the BP spill in the first week of that f*** up.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 9:19:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:19:35 PM" ) )3:19 PM
www.greenpeace.org

by oli333 at 3/30/2011 9:19:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:19:22 PM" ) )3:19 PM
@Duncan Idk, but of interest to me is that they pulled all monitoring points from the 20km evac zone on the 17Mar. On the 20Mar, they added 6 more monitors to the south. And from @5Mar to 28 Mar (last data posted), they have concentrated vehicle-born monitors to a small crescent-shaped area between the 20km and 30km evac zone south of Daini. Hmm...wonder what they're looking for?

by marie rich at 3/30/2011 9:18:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:18:56 PM" ) )3:18 PM
@Duncan There seem to be a number of so-called hotspots which were early on reported as beyond the boundary of the 30km evacuation zone, NNW of the broken plant. Nr Sendai, basically. There have been some maps around showing these concentrated areas.

by es at 3/30/2011 9:18:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:18:36 PM" ) )3:18 PM
information request: I need to update friends living just south of Tokyo as to radiation levels/ tap water contamination/ food contamination/ evacuation issues. They have a small baby, no phone or Internet at home as of yet, and are still enduring rolling blackouts. I send them any information that I can, so they can cut their search time when they have Internet access. If anyone can sum up the latest for me, I would appreciate it. Thanks in advance, as I must be off my computer for a while now.

by JPH at 3/30/2011 9:18:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:18:02 PM" ) )3:18 PM
@Pedro Jesus, they drive on the left as well, so would fit :)

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 9:17:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:17:43 PM" ) )3:17 PM
Duncan : Our team of radiation specialists in Japan brought back their findings for the day.
The press release says it all:

Fukushima, March 27, 2011: Greenpeace radiation experts have confirmed radiation levels of up to ten micro Sieverts per hour in Iitate village, 40km northwest of the crisis-stricken Fukushima/Daiichi nuclear plant, and 20km beyond the official evacuation zone. These levels are high enough to require evacuation.

“It is clearly not safe for people to remain in Iitate, especially children and pregnant women, when it could mean receiving the maximum allowed annual dose of radiation in only a few days. When further contamination from possible ingestion or inhalation of radioactive particles is factored in, the risks are even higher.”
Additional resources

by oli333 at 3/30/2011 9:17:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:17:33 PM" ) )3:17 PM
@Jojo - Duncan maybe was not here last week, and are these people been relocated yet, we all want them moved but it just isn't happening.

by fiona at 3/30/2011 9:16:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:16:10 PM" ) )3:16 PM
@Duncan I'm glad they're getting around to it, same thing as said here last WEEK.

by Jojo at 3/30/2011 9:13:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:13:54 PM" ) )3:13 PM
@marie rich: #4 certainly is. On some old photos of reactors we can see it yellow. There a long piece of metal (I think) on Spiegel #2 pict just before the tower, supported by a pipe. This could be part of a crane, may not be...

by Jo Lindien at 3/30/2011 9:13:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:13:27 PM" ) )3:13 PM
@Lethbridgean Did you see the pic elainekirk posted.. It does confirm your theory

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 9:13:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:13:03 PM" ) )3:13 PM
Sorry, pressed enter too soon. Can any elaborate on this? Is the evacuation radius being increased?

by Duncan at 3/30/2011 9:11:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:11:39 PM" ) )3:11 PM
From Reuters: "Radiation measured at a village 40 km from Japan's crippled Fukushima nuclear plant exceed a criterion for evacuation, the U.N. nuclear watchdog says, the latest sign of widening consequences from the crisis."

by Duncan at 3/30/2011 9:11:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:11:12 PM" ) )3:11 PM
@elaine I have no idea what that yellow object could be, but it doesn't look very spherical.

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 9:11:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:11:03 PM" ) )3:11 PM

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@NHK Listener - sorry I had to walk away from this for awile, I am a Red Seal Journeyman Millwright, Power Engineer 4th class, and Sour gas plant operator.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 9:09:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:09:32 PM" ) )3:09 PM
On pic posted by elaine it loks like the gantry is above and to left of yellow object?

by marie rich at 3/30/2011 9:09:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:09:23 PM" ) )3:09 PM
@oli333 Huh? Why did I post before you then? And how did you know? LOL

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 9:08:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:08:41 PM" ) )3:08 PM
@marie rich yeah green for sure

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 9:07:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:07:43 PM" ) )3:07 PM
refueling crane is green

by marie rich at 3/30/2011 9:07:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:07:23 PM" ) )3:07 PM
@Lethbridgean ?

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 9:06:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:06:43 PM" ) )3:06 PM
@elainekirk: where is it located ? I suspect parts of the refuelling crane to have been yellow or orange: one can cleary see what seem to be orange huge steel debris between #3 & #4 reactor on #2 spiegel pic (also on #6 but harder to identify)

by Jo Lindien at 3/30/2011 9:06:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:06:40 PM" ) )3:06 PM
@Salvador i am faster

by oli333 at 3/30/2011 9:06:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:06:19 PM" ) )3:06 PM
pointscope01.jp

by oli333 at 3/30/2011 9:05:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:05:41 PM" ) )3:05 PM
The first webcam shot of the new day. i.imm.io

by Salvador via I.imm.io at 3/30/2011 9:05:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:05:34 PM" ) )3:05 PM
@elainekirk is the green object at about 11 o'clock the SPF gantry?

by marie rich at 3/30/2011 9:04:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:04:44 PM" ) )3:04 PM
@elainekirk That definitely imply's the concrete cap is missing

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 9:04:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:04:34 PM" ) )3:04 PM
@Jo Lindien Oh, sorry I don't. :(

by es at 3/30/2011 9:03:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:03:56 PM" ) )3:03 PM
@salvador www.time.com pic #10

by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 9:03:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:03:40 PM" ) )3:03 PM
@Nancy I just posted that vid below with another vid from a different angle. :-)

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 9:03:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:03:03 PM" ) )3:03 PM
@elaine Could you give a link to the original footage please. This looks very interesting. Thank you for your contribution.

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 9:02:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:02:55 PM" ) )3:02 PM
@Nancy Thanks, although you did post that an hour or so ago.

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 9:02:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:02:05 PM" ) )3:02 PM
I have found a yellow object in this shot -

by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 9:01:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:01:46 PM" ) )3:01 PM
@es: I'm sorry I can't see youtube videos as I don't have a flash player; but if you got a direct link to the video file I could see it.

by Jo Lindien at 3/30/2011 9:01:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:01:40 PM" ) )3:01 PM
@Jo. Oops link busted up! Try this: www.youtube.com

by es at 3/30/2011 9:01:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:01:09 PM" ) )3:01 PM
@all: another point: from Tepco measures, if they are correct, the reactor vessel is intact so its head is still in place. The one leaking water and steam is the containment vessel: it's pressure is reported to be precisly 1 atm which indicate it directly comunicate with open air

by Jo Lindien at 3/30/2011 9:00:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 9:00:44 PM" ) )3:00 PM
@Peter Melzer Yes, same case as in Portugal. But Japanese seem to use the same English/international convention even when providing information in Kanji.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 8:58:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:58:43 PM" ) )2:58 PM
@Jo Hi. Could you cast your expert eye over this NHK World footage: www.youtube.com Specifically, from about 26secs in and for about 10 secs, at the far left edge of the screen, where the treeline is between Units 1 and 2. I see a blast of smoke/steam; pj sees something odd too. Thanks.

by es at 3/30/2011 8:58:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:58:31 PM" ) )2:58 PM
@Lethbridgean So what is your background?

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 8:57:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:57:09 PM" ) )2:57 PM
@Pedro Jesus: Germans, too, if info given in English, but Germans use their own conventions when using German.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 8:56:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:56:30 PM" ) )2:56 PM
by NHK Listener via Lh6.googleusercontent at 3/30/2011 8:55:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:55:38 PM" ) )2:55 PM
@Lethbridgean I am a Machinist

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 8:55:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:55:25 PM" ) )2:55 PM
@all: imo, the hole in the #3 turbine hall was made by the concrete block that can be seen through the hole. The form of the hole properly matches what it has to be when a concrete block would run through it from the air in the direction you can still see the block sitting on the floor on spiegel online pics (Kat's link above).

by Jo Lindien at 3/30/2011 8:54:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:54:44 PM" ) )2:54 PM
Hi Jo Lindien

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 8:53:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:53:55 PM" ) )2:53 PM
especially the one bisecting the hole in the roof.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 8:50:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:50:58 PM" ) )2:50 PM
@NHK Listener - how do you explain the small roof I-beams in that picture, cause if the steel hunk of mass that is the main crane body/housing went through that hole they wouldn't be there. What is your background if you mind me asking?

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 8:49:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:49:52 PM" ) )2:49 PM
@NHK Listener Those images of the edge of the building really reinforce for me that something fell on it.

by pj at 3/30/2011 8:49:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:49:30 PM" ) )2:49 PM
i557.photobucket.com

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 8:46:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:46:59 PM" ) )2:46 PM
No 3 exploding from another angle www.youtube.com

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 8:46:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:46:29 PM" ) )2:46 PM
MAP of IITATE www.tripadvisor.com

by Sin at 3/30/2011 8:45:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:45:46 PM" ) )2:45 PM
Here is the video from 3 exploding www.youtube.com

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 8:45:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:45:41 PM" ) )2:45 PM
@elainekirk - that is a control room not the turbine building,

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 8:45:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:45:37 PM" ) )2:45 PM
@John Reuters image www.reuters.com indicated control room for #2

by pj at 3/30/2011 8:45:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:45:07 PM" ) )2:45 PM
@Peter Melzer Japan respects the international notation. Example: 1,298.3 meaning one thousand, two hundred, ninety eight point three.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 8:45:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:45:01 PM" ) )2:45 PM
by NHK Listener via I56.tinypic at 3/30/2011 8:44:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:44:40 PM" ) )2:44 PM
@Peter Melzer Yes, but thankfully when they use two or more in the same number, I/we can then figure out whether they mean comma or decimal. Honestly, I wonder how much of the problem is people trying to turn SI prefixes into numbers in normal notation

by pj at 3/30/2011 8:43:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:43:47 PM" ) )2:43 PM
@elainekirk this is control room but I dont know from which reactor

by John at 3/30/2011 8:42:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:42:59 PM" ) )2:42 PM
@pj We must also consider that in some countries commas and dots in numbers are conversely used. In German 1.0 = 1,0 . I do not know about Japan.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 8:42:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:42:28 PM" ) )2:42 PM
The steel from the crane's I-beams didn't break up. If its the crane I-beam then it would be sticking out or cut a long gash into the building.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 8:42:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:42:06 PM" ) )2:42 PM
@all need dean to confirm with his opinion... but the above link to pic has three P&ID's that if i am interperting them correct and they are the reator buildings at this plant (may not be #3or even this plant) P&IDS do not represent a scale of location or size, but the drawings seem to indicate what pumps and equipment is located inside the "containent vessel" vs what is inside the contaiment building vs outside/another building... also let you trace where the pipes run inrespect to the equipment they hook up to. CAUTION--- again a P&ID drawing only shows flows. does not have any representation as to size.. something 2" long on the drawing may infact be 300 feet long and vise a versa.... pumps ect would be quite large and heavy...

by fitter at 3/30/2011 8:41:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:41:17 PM" ) )2:41 PM

Page 292

The hole on no 3 turbine can be from SFP crane, trajectory fit and it look that there is no crane on SFP 3: img33.imageshack.us

by John via Img33.imageshack.us at 3/30/2011 8:40:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:40:48 PM" ) )2:40 PM
@Peter Melzer yeah yellow i557.photobucket.com

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 8:40:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:40:12 PM" ) )2:40 PM
@JPH if u are here - stick with it I think it will all sort itself out in a wee while - people are going to posting lots of stuff on here - might safe u looking at everylink that gets posted. (well I think thats the way) my brain a bit addled too.

by fiona at 3/30/2011 8:39:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:39:53 PM" ) )2:39 PM
@Matsuoko, but in the hole is rubble.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 8:39:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:39:50 PM" ) )2:39 PM
@Lethbridgean I am not arguing how it happened, you are.. I am saying that the debris in the turbine building is the crane, so the crane chunks are what caused the hole..

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 8:39:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:39:12 PM" ) )2:39 PM
@Salvador The plant is scattering more cesium than previously thought. All estimates of Japan and northern hemisphere cesium contamination should be increased in light of this.

by Bobby1 at 3/30/2011 8:39:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:39:00 PM" ) )2:39 PM
@Sin Thanks, I had just copied it myself and was on my way to post it. Good job. The typo is really stupid.

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 8:38:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:38:57 PM" ) )2:38 PM
@Salvador Based on measurements of I-131 and Cs-137 in soil, sampled from 18 to 26 March in 9 municipalities at distances of 25 to 58 km from the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant, the total deposition of iodine-131 and cesium-137 has been calculated. The results indicate a pronounced spatial variability of the total deposition of iodine-131 and cesium-137. The average total deposition determined at these locations for iodine-131 range from 0.2 to 25 Megabecquerel per square metre and for cesium-137 from 0.02-3.7 Megabecquerel per square metre. The highest values were found in a relatively small area in the Northwest from the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant. First assessment indicates that one of the IAEA operational criteria for evacuation is exceeded in Iitate village. We advised the counterpart to carefully access the situation. They indicated that they are already assessing. From iaea.org NOTE THE TYPO

by Sin at 3/30/2011 8:37:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:37:47 PM" ) )2:37 PM
@Angela5pointo: Yes!

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 8:37:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:37:34 PM" ) )2:37 PM
@NHK Listener- so why the arguement know?

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 8:36:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:36:57 PM" ) )2:36 PM
@Salvador Not implying a lie, but we've seen how decimal places purportedly have been inadvertently misplaced (10,000,000...oops, nope, 100,000) previously. Personally, I'm hoping for the best and fearing the worst, to be honest.

by pj at 3/30/2011 8:36:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:36:57 PM" ) )2:36 PM
@Salvador Thanks for the info from AllthingsNuclear Blog. That is pretty hefty stuff and I for one buy it. I think the head of the IAEA being a former Japanese diplomat and the fact that without the Nuclear Power Industry doing well, their jobs are at risk, is probably why the IAEA did not do right by the poor Japanese citizens. And, I think the Japanese government and TEPCO have been very careful about not allowing any independent confirmation of their ongdata or permission to visit the site for independent sampling. This is blatantly wrong, in my opinion.

by quantman07 at 3/30/2011 8:36:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:36:38 PM" ) )2:36 PM
Most American operators of the Mk1 GE reactors torque the Drywell flange bolts down passed spec so that they can get a air pressure test to the ASME 72psi pressure test. The Japanese probably had the Flange at spec, no more

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 8:36:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:36:14 PM" ) )2:36 PM
@Lethbridgean Yeah I know all about the brunswick affect at 70 psi the seals fail and hydrogen can seep.

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 8:36:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:36:02 PM" ) )2:36 PM
The IAEA has no ability to enforce any action on any of it's member states. They do not control or regulate, only advise and try and coordinate cooperation between member countires to adhere to standards.

by Sin at 3/30/2011 8:35:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:35:05 PM" ) )2:35 PM
@pj Those people are critical of nuclear power, but they are very professional and serious. One of their experts was called before congress to testify over the risks of Spend Fuel pools in the US in the light of Fukushima. They will not lie about something like this. --> Off to check the IAEA page.

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 8:34:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:34:26 PM" ) )2:34 PM
could somebody please post that article here so everyone can get upto speed please..

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 8:32:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:32:43 PM" ) )2:32 PM
@Salvador The cesium info is horrifying, honestly, if it is accurate.

by pj at 3/30/2011 8:32:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:32:15 PM" ) )2:32 PM
@Max They have been there at least in an advisory capacity since the beginning.

by Sin at 3/30/2011 8:32:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:32:12 PM" ) )2:32 PM
It's all so sad, this is about the children: www.dailymail.co.uk

by Debra Beckham at 3/30/2011 8:32:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:32:00 PM" ) )2:32 PM
@NHK Listener Look up "possible cause of reactor building explosions" on Allthingsnuclear.org, you have to go back 1.5 weeks or so. Brunswick effect is what caused the hydrogen release.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 8:31:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:31:53 PM" ) )2:31 PM
@Nancy, some essential pieces are color-coded. Like the containment caps are painted yellow, and I saw the other day that the cranes are painted green.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 8:31:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:31:06 PM" ) )2:31 PM
@pj Thanks. Hmm.

by es at 3/30/2011 8:30:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:30:38 PM" ) )2:30 PM
Yeah well, I guess we'll know in a few months what exactly got compromised when.

by sims at 3/30/2011 8:30:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:30:37 PM" ) )2:30 PM
@es That looks odd to me, as the shape toward the end looks too right-angled for my liking. I definitely do see something, but I have no idea what!

by pj at 3/30/2011 8:29:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:29:57 PM" ) )2:29 PM
@Lethbridgean A week ago the photo weren't as clear..

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 8:29:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:29:53 PM" ) )2:29 PM
@sims not ness. it shot it out like a cork. I dont believe the cement was f astened down only its mass held it in place. I think it was called the Brunswick effect as the reactor in a Mark 1 GE design could only handle 71 psi before the flange would start venting. This was the source of the Hydrogen and why the boom was so big compared to the others. The pressure timeline agrees with me as well as Allthingsnuclear.org as well as Dean when I brought this up a week ago. Starting to become a circlejerk.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 8:29:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:29:01 PM" ) )2:29 PM
Sin: That fast? After three weeks? In my point of view such things should be at the location at least 2 days after the accident. No matter from which country and who asks for them. Just to have them there if needed or useful. In my eyes not coordinated by the private contactor. No matter how good hes is, or by the country. This should in my personal thinking be initalized at least by IAEA. This is an international problem. One way or the other.

by Max at 3/30/2011 8:28:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:28:53 PM" ) )2:28 PM
@Nancy It could be the crane, the form would fit, but you are of course correct, that much of the inner reactor rooms was green.

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 8:28:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:28:00 PM" ) )2:28 PM
Yes, this is from 4 And this is SFP crane before damage: img228.imageshack.us

by John via Img228.imageshack.us at 3/30/2011 8:27:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:27:57 PM" ) )2:27 PM
d.yimg.com here is another of 4. Very big crane

by NHK Listener via D.yimg at 3/30/2011 8:27:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:27:46 PM" ) )2:27 PM
@John is that number 4

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 8:27:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:27:10 PM" ) )2:27 PM
WOW, there is a new blog up at the page of the Union of concerned scientists. It's tough: "Today the IAEA has finally confirmed what some analysts have suspected for days: that the concentration per area of long-lived cesium-137 (Cs-137) is extremely high as far as tens of kilometers from the release site at Fukushima Dai-Ichi, and in fact would trigger compulsory evacuation under IAEA guidelines.

The IAEA is reporting that measured soil concentrations of Cs-137 as far away as Iitate Village, 40 kilometers northwest of Fukushima-Dai-Ichi, correspond to deposition levels of up to 3.7 megabecquerels per square meter (MBq/sq. m). This is far higher than previous IAEA reports of values of Cs-137 deposition, and comparable to the total beta-gamma measurements reported previously by IAEA and mentioned on this blog.

This should be compared with the deposition level that triggered compulsory relocation in the aftermath of the Chernobyl accident: the level set in 1990 by the Soviet Union was 1.48 MBq/sq. m.

Thus, it is now abundantly clear that Japanese authorities were negligent in restricting the emergency evacuation zone to only 20 kilometers from the release site. " allthingsnuclear.org

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 8:26:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:26:42 PM" ) )2:26 PM
IAEA 3/30 UPDATE iaea.org

by Sin at 3/30/2011 8:26:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:26:38 PM" ) )2:26 PM
@NHK Listener, perhaps the pieces escaped from under the roof after it was lifted by the explosion and before it came crushing down. I think the whole roof was lifted for a moment.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 8:26:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:26:31 PM" ) )2:26 PM
by John via Img718.imageshack.us at 3/30/2011 8:26:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:26:25 PM" ) )2:26 PM
I expanded that image. it looks like very pale blue or green long flat steel object. It looks almost too long to be the crane but possible. From images inside the reactors there are lots of other panels and long structures painted green. That seemed to be the universal color for the work area

by Nancy at 3/30/2011 8:26:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:26:20 PM" ) )2:26 PM
here is image from page 9 and reactor no 4 from 27th wideo (it show damaged SFP crane):

by John at 3/30/2011 8:26:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:26:13 PM" ) )2:26 PM
@you Oh, crud - I should have specified in the #3 building www.spiegel.de

by pj at 3/30/2011 8:25:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:25:24 PM" ) )2:25 PM
Please take a look at this NHK World footage: www.youtube.com Specifically, from about 26secs in and for about 10 secs, at the far left edge of the screen, where the treeline is between Units 1 and 2. I see a blast of smoke. Anyone else seeing that? Thanks.

by es at 3/30/2011 8:25:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:25:01 PM" ) )2:25 PM
by NHK Listener via Rxengr at 3/30/2011 8:23:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:23:24 PM" ) )2:23 PM
by NHK Listener via Rxengr at 3/30/2011 8:23:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:23:09 PM" ) )2:23 PM
@NHK Listener Your argument is very week because big parts of the roof structure are missing. How would we know (and is it even propable after such an explosion) that the roof came down exactly over the places it had covered before? There is such a big mess of steel and debris that it is impossible to say that the part of the roof structure now about the steel containment vessel is the one that had been over it when the explosion happened. In fact, just look at the roof structure a few meter to the south, in the direction of the spend fuel pool- it's GONE there. Maybe that was the original roofing above the steel containment vessel?

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 8:22:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:22:25 PM" ) )2:22 PM
AND NOW>>>BACK TO THE NEWS....... Japan-US teams working on Fukushima plant trouble

The Japanese and US governments are working together to tackle trouble at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

The Japanese government has set up 4 working groups led by Deputy Chief Cabinet Secretary Tetsuro Fukuyama and prime ministerial advisor Goshi Hosono.

The groups include members of Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency and related ministries; US military forces stationed in Japan; and the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

The groups are discussing measures to prevent radiation from leaking outside the plant and ways to handle damaged fuel rods.

They're also studying the possible use of remote-controlled unmanned equipment to prevent radiation exposure among plant workers, and the use of a US unmanned robot for measuring radiation levels.

The groups have already made arrangements for transporting fresh water to the plant by US vessels.

Wednesday, March 30, 2011 20:32 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp

by Sin at 3/30/2011 8:22:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:22:01 PM" ) )2:22 PM
@MaryMary the website allthingsnuclear.org has a very good article on this theory

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 8:21:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:21:49 PM" ) )2:21 PM

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@Lethbridgean IMO any explosion this strong coming from within the containment strong enough to lift off the cap would have completely obliterated the containment Chernobyl-style.

by sims at 3/30/2011 8:21:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:21:43 PM" ) )2:21 PM
@Salvador - So you are saying the the concrete plug is gone, the yellow cover is gone, and the actual reactor dome is blown too?

by openmind at 3/30/2011 8:21:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:21:37 PM" ) )2:21 PM
@Lethbridgean "because the Hydrogen was coming from the drywell flange" what do you base that observation on?

by MaryMary at 3/30/2011 8:21:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:21:31 PM" ) )2:21 PM
@Peter yes, a trillonth correct. Math is not my strong point, however Wikipedia serves me well when referring to conversions. I just wanted to verify that those numbers are literally traces. Which seems right according to the numbers, right?

by Angela5pointo at 3/30/2011 8:21:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:21:30 PM" ) )2:21 PM
i really think the hole must have been from something more dense than cement, because it is the only bigger hole. i would say something metal, size of a truck.

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 8:21:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:21:26 PM" ) )2:21 PM
Can anyone enlighten me as to what the greenish-blue object is in this image might be: www.spiegel.de

by pj at 3/30/2011 8:20:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:20:56 PM" ) )2:20 PM
@sims because the Hydrogen was coming from the drywell flange, the explosion came from underneath I do believe strongly

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 8:20:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:20:03 PM" ) )2:20 PM
This from page 9 is on SFP

by John at 3/30/2011 8:19:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:19:38 PM" ) )2:19 PM
@John - good pictures - I like pics - helps me understand what was inside that pile of rubble

by fiona at 3/30/2011 8:19:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:19:33 PM" ) )2:19 PM
@Angela5pointo: pico is 10 exp -12, that in English means a trillionth, no? In German the names are different, and I tend to mess up. Now we talking about a tenth and one hundredth of a trillionth.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 8:19:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:19:08 PM" ) )2:19 PM
@sims ...exactly...and there is no "mass" in the lifting crane ...the explosion would have gone around its structure....

by MaryMary at 3/30/2011 8:18:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:18:59 PM" ) )2:18 PM
@Matsuoko @NHK Listener There are 2 cranes: one big to lift reactor shield, and 2nd smaller on SPF

by John at 3/30/2011 8:18:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:18:39 PM" ) )2:18 PM
@Lethbridgean The only reason I don't think that is it.. Is if you look at the top of the building the roof is 2/3 there.. So there would be a big hole in the middle

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 8:18:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:18:00 PM" ) )2:18 PM
@Lethbridgean: Well, how would the cement dome have been lifted off though? It's rather heavy.. and the explosion came from the hydrogen in the refueling floor, so would have pushed it down..

by sims at 3/30/2011 8:17:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:17:58 PM" ) )2:17 PM
@Lethbridgean Exactly. The outher containment has been "breached" in a very severe way. If the plug on the reactor pressure vessel is in there is invisible from this perspective, but it is likely.

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 8:17:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:17:38 PM" ) )2:17 PM
sorry I meant cement plug not dome

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 8:16:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:16:49 PM" ) )2:16 PM
@John : what about that yellow counterweight hanging from the crane ???

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 8:16:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:16:18 PM" ) )2:16 PM
@Salvador - I agree the steel reactor dome is still there but the cement dome covering it is not.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 8:16:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:16:06 PM" ) )2:16 PM
@John Page nine has a better view www.nirs.org

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 8:15:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:15:46 PM" ) )2:15 PM
the corium without doubt must be the heaviest (most dense) thing around there. (but i don't rellay think it's the corium.)

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 8:15:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:15:33 PM" ) )2:15 PM
crane zoom: img200.imageshack.us

by John via Img200.imageshack.us at 3/30/2011 8:15:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:15:11 PM" ) )2:15 PM
@openmind Who was talking about a dome? I said the TOP of the Steel containment vessel is visible. Here, compare the first twenty seconds of the video with my stills: i.imgur.com

by Salvador via I.imgur at 3/30/2011 8:14:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:14:20 PM" ) )2:14 PM
@Matsuoko, nah, looks like pieces of concrete. I still believe we saw the cap on the reactor vessel with steam emanating from the rim in two places in the pics the other day. What I kind of puzzle over are the point heat sources around the reactor; the roughly form a square. The geometry may mean something. You can see this geometry reflected on the heat image of reactor #1 as well, only that they are connected.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 8:14:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:14:05 PM" ) )2:14 PM
@Peter so Japan was allowing 100 Bq/kg, so .01-.1 are literally traces correct (millionth of a trace)?

by Angela5pointo at 3/30/2011 8:14:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:14:03 PM" ) )2:14 PM
Only the I-beam that it is atatched to is the width of the building. The crane motor and lifting assembly would be fit in the back of a truck, How many tons would be the max it would have to lift, anybody know? what is the weight of the heaviest thing in the building?

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 8:13:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:13:41 PM" ) )2:13 PM
@Lethbridgean Page Nine www.nirs.org

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 8:13:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:13:31 PM" ) )2:13 PM
@Nancy Did you see that green object in your picture on the right side, next to the circle marked "reactor 3"? Could it be the refueling crane? Haven't seen so many green ever before on a picture from no. 3 reactor. Thanks for your work.

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 8:12:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:12:11 PM" ) )2:12 PM
@Salvador - I just watched that video. I don't see a dome at all. The top looks very strange.

by openmind at 3/30/2011 8:11:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:11:27 PM" ) )2:11 PM
@Lethbridgean it is...

by John at 3/30/2011 8:10:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:10:54 PM" ) )2:10 PM
image 1 zoom lh6.googleusercontent.com

image 1 zoom compared to 3 story building adjacent. * I will be reloading larger of these later lh3.googleusercontent.com

by Nancy via Lh3.googleusercontent at 3/30/2011 8:10:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:10:49 PM" ) )2:10 PM
image 1 zoom lh6.googleusercontent.com

image 1 zoom compared to 3 story building adjacent. * I will be reloading larger of these later lh3.googleusercontent.com

by Nancy via Lh6.googleusercontent at 3/30/2011 8:10:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:10:49 PM" ) )2:10 PM
@Peter thank you for the conversion

by Angela5pointo at 3/30/2011 8:10:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:10:47 PM" ) )2:10 PM
@Lethbridgean I runs the total width of the building

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 8:10:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:10:43 PM" ) )2:10 PM
@NHK Listener the crane isn't that big.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 8:10:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:10:19 PM" ) )2:10 PM
image 1 full view: lh3.googleusercontent.com

by Nancy via Lh3.googleusercontent at 3/30/2011 8:09:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:09:39 PM" ) )2:09 PM
I am convinced that is pieces of the crane

by NHK Listener at 3/30/2011 8:09:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:09:38 PM" ) )2:09 PM
image 3 zoom view: lh5.googleusercontent.com

by Nancy via Lh5.googleusercontent at 3/30/2011 8:09:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:09:13 PM" ) )2:09 PM
image 3 full view: lh6.googleusercontent.com

by Nancy via Lh6.googleusercontent at 3/30/2011 8:08:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:08:47 PM" ) )2:08 PM
Image 2 expanded: lh4.googleusercontent.com
Full view image 2 lh4.googleusercontent.com

These are reactor #3 after explosion pictures

by Nancy via Lh4.googleusercontent at 3/30/2011 8:08:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:08:03 PM" ) )2:08 PM
Image 2 expanded: lh4.googleusercontent.com
Full view image 2 lh4.googleusercontent.com

These are reactor #3 after explosion pictures

by Nancy via Lh4.googleusercontent at 3/30/2011 8:08:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:08:03 PM" ) )2:08 PM
Test lh4.googleusercontent.com

by Nancy via Lh4.googleusercontent at 3/30/2011 8:06:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:06:26 PM" ) )2:06 PM
i hope it's not the corium what went thru that hole .....

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 8:04:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:04:08 PM" ) )2:04 PM
@Angela5pointo: 0.4 - 3.7 milliBq

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 8:03:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:03:47 PM" ) )2:03 PM
@Pedro Jesus ...Yes..we discussed that last night...I mentioned that I was sure there was info missing from my earlier read of the site. But the "hard" evidence..videos, pictures, timelines (have you read the Fukushima timeline closely?)..will not... and no one can deny that this has probably been the most closely watched unfolding nuclear accident in history.

by MaryMary at 3/30/2011 8:03:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:03:27 PM" ) )2:03 PM
@elainekirk : looks like a huge lightbulb.

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 8:03:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:03:06 PM" ) )2:03 PM

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@Max No, I was talking about the arial footage from sunday. You can see the steel containment vessel in it. Check out the first 20 seconds: www.youtube.com

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 8:02:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:02:25 PM" ) )2:02 PM
I see one citation, in theory a plan view, that the building is 47 m wide x 57.4 m deep (not sure on height), accuracy uncertain: www.google.com

by Markfm at 3/30/2011 8:02:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:02:02 PM" ) )2:02 PM
@lethbridgean these pics of holes are taken from @Salvador's link www.spiegel.de

by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 8:02:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:02:01 PM" ) )2:02 PM
@Nancy Thanks, I had that in my bookmarks too. @ll I just realized that the video from the 27th is actually posted by an official channel of the japanese defense ministry. I really wonder who was dumb enough to file a DMCA claim against them over their own material. Ridiculous.

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 8:00:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:00:50 PM" ) )2:00 PM
@Salvador : I don't know if it was from 27th. But the high res pictures published in "Spiegel" arhave been from a small japanese drone. Did you mean these pictures?

by Max at 3/30/2011 8:00:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 8:00:47 PM" ) )2:00 PM
@elainekirk I am in Canada and some of the videos posted on YouTube are sometimes not available in my country.... That shot shows some of the other holes I saw...

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 7:59:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:59:47 PM" ) )1:59 PM
@Nancy - if you save that video of reactor 3 blowing up you can add more contrast and slow it down frame by frame

by openmind at 3/30/2011 7:59:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:59:29 PM" ) )1:59 PM
Thanks

by Angela5pointo at 3/30/2011 7:59:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:59:25 PM" ) )1:59 PM
@Matsuoko, I forgot about that

by Angela5pointo at 3/30/2011 7:59:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:59:19 PM" ) )1:59 PM
10^10

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 7:59:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:59:09 PM" ) )1:59 PM
@MaryMary I think Peter meant that evidence is disappearing from the web. Wikipedia's page on Fukushima Daiichi power plant was completely rewritten on the 29TH and some pertinent information has been deleted.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 7:58:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:58:42 PM" ) )1:58 PM
@Angela5pointo : power sign = ^

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 7:58:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:58:38 PM" ) )1:58 PM
@MaryMary, of course they need to. I meant evidence for the synopsis. If we go back and forth between pictures for comparisons, we need to keep in mind when they were taken.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 7:58:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:58:24 PM" ) )1:58 PM
Pixelated due to having to zoom

by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 7:58:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:58:22 PM" ) )1:58 PM
@Reed: No question about: We don't know what is available locally. This might be intended - maybe even necessary, given the possible consequences.

I don't want to be in the position of the responsibles now. But I am sure every piece of available information is in the hands of the japanese government and/or TEPCO conglomerate. How much they are willing to say, able to say, or is acceptable to release is another story.

by Max at 3/30/2011 7:58:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:58:18 PM" ) )1:58 PM
@openmind : yeah, with little plastic toys. i loved those movies.

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 7:58:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:58:04 PM" ) )1:58 PM
@Tenzing just back for a moment..... liked your though about nuke saftey group.... we need to stay neutral (opion) , so as not to get "Labeled" one way or the other... a think tank needs imput from bothside to be effective

by fitter at 3/30/2011 7:57:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:57:17 PM" ) )1:57 PM
@salvador - this is the best video of reactor 3 blowing up I have found www.youtube.com

by Nancy edited by elainekirk at 3/30/2011 7:56:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:56:23 PM" ) )1:56 PM
@Matsuoko - the original film was from 1954

by openmind at 3/30/2011 7:55:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:55:38 PM" ) )1:55 PM
@Peter Melzer The "pieces of evidence" to what? Clean-up at the plant is required to move around and access buildings.

by MaryMary at 3/30/2011 7:54:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:54:56 PM" ) )1:54 PM
It should say 10 to the 10th power on the conversion "1 Ci=3.7 x 10 to the 10th power". I can't do a power sign.

by Angela5pointo at 3/30/2011 7:54:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:54:50 PM" ) )1:54 PM
@John Thank you very much, it was taken down by a DMCA claim from some media operation. Obviously they failed. Good for us!

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 7:54:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:54:50 PM" ) )1:54 PM
@Jay77 : i often wonder how movies anticipate the future.

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 7:54:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:54:28 PM" ) )1:54 PM
@Pedro Jesus, very good point. You can see already that cleanup and demo work is being done. The pieces of evidence will disappear.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 7:52:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:52:34 PM" ) )1:52 PM
Wikipedia -"Godzilla is portrayed as a terrible and destructive monster born from nuclear materials."

by openmind at 3/30/2011 7:52:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:52:33 PM" ) )1:52 PM
I have a question that pertains to this article english.kyodonews.jp What does .01-0.1 picocuries (one trillionth of a curie) compare to the becquerels that Japan uses. I know 1 Ci = 3.7×1010 Bq, so really how much radioactivity is in the water in NY as a comparison to what they are finding in Japan?

by Angela5pointo at 3/30/2011 7:52:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:52:07 PM" ) )1:52 PM
@Matsuoko They talked about that on NPR this morning. Godzilla and the other 'mutant monster movies' were created as a visible representation to personify the fear of invisible radiation. www.npr.org

by Jay77 at 3/30/2011 7:51:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:51:08 PM" ) )1:51 PM
@Salvador it's here: www.youtube.com it works fine

by John at 3/30/2011 7:50:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:50:33 PM" ) )1:50 PM
@Peter Melzer Also of major importance is to time-stamp the pictures. If you can't map them chronologically they may of very little worth depending on the circumstances.

by Pedro Jesus at 3/30/2011 7:50:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:50:14 PM" ) )1:50 PM
@Peter Melzer @Salvador - the video I saw was the very first low level flyover of the plant , it was shown only on NHK on the 18th of march if memory serves. The video showed much better detail IMHO.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 7:50:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:50:09 PM" ) )1:50 PM
Hello Matsuoko: Perhaps Anti-Nuclear Energy Movement is mutating or evolving into the Pro-Practical Energy Movement.

by Tenzing at 3/30/2011 7:48:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:48:57 PM" ) )1:48 PM
I agree it breaks up the flow...fragmented.

by JMV at 3/30/2011 7:47:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:47:00 PM" ) )1:47 PM
@all [BIG Question] Does anyone know a source for the SDF arial video from the 27th? I've used the youtube version for my screenshots, but it has been taken down because some a**h*le claimed copyright. I really do wonder how you can file a DMCA for material that has been released by the japanese ministry of defense. Sounds stupid and like an easy way to get that material down. BTW. Where are the promised next videos? I thought the SDF wanted to do periodical flyovers?

by Salvador at 3/30/2011 7:46:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:46:57 PM" ) )1:46 PM
As to the kicking around, the image analysis provides great insights and can only be improved by revisits. For reactor #3, we just need to spot a convincing piece of the containment cap; the reactor vessel cap seems still on. As to further usage of the images for documentation, we should keep track of the sources and the people who enhanced them so that they can be later credited properly. Eventually a synopsis could be provided on the state of the reactors whose buildings have blown.

by Peter Melzer at 3/30/2011 7:46:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:46:29 PM" ) )1:46 PM
@Max You're correct. No conspiracy, but the imagery is not bing released to the public from the cameras. Thanks.

by Reed at 3/30/2011 7:46:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:46:25 PM" ) )1:46 PM
Im not the best when it comes to linking websites/videos, I wish somesbody would give me a crash course. It has taken me hours just to get my facebook homepage up and working.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 7:46:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:46:00 PM" ) )1:46 PM
@Matsuoko - I think so.

by openmind at 3/30/2011 7:45:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:45:49 PM" ) )1:45 PM
@Matsuoko ...it is still germain to the issue to remember that, if you are keeping score, it is still Earthquake/Tsunami 28,000+, 3 Nuclear Reactor Meltdowns -0-

by MaryMary at 3/30/2011 7:45:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:45:15 PM" ) )1:45 PM
@Tenzing : (personal opinion) Sorry again: We started with that on Rthe "common" Reuters page and luckily found George's activity to create a valuale "home" here. The problem was in the beginning: one page for this - one for that. Just reading this page disables me for an hour or so to have a look at others. It's one issue. So why diversify the information in several pages. Maybe there is a search ability in scribble for the ones interested in specifics. But I can't see a reason to put facts to other pages than here.

by Max at 3/30/2011 7:45:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:45:06 PM" ) )1:45 PM
You guys are doing great work here, figuring out the trajectories of explosion debris. You are appreciated.

by Sky at 3/30/2011 7:42:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:42:55 PM" ) )1:42 PM
@openmind : wasn't godzilla a result of nuclear waste ? ......... :)

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 7:42:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:42:33 PM" ) )1:42 PM
[thought] the anti-nuke movement now has impressive material thanks to the live camera that caught everything in the first days. personally, i will never forget those two blasts. it is the first time that real evidence has been spread into publicity. in TMI, windscale, chernobyl, nobody has seen anything, and the industry was were happy about that. now, they cannot deny or play down the danger anymore.

by Matsuoko at 3/30/2011 7:42:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:42:02 PM" ) )1:42 PM
@Markfm Not to mention flooding everything with water for over 2 weeks

by Patrick Kelley at 3/30/2011 7:41:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:41:57 PM" ) )1:41 PM
@openmind @NHK Listener On the video the chunk that broke up was probably the cement plug and it looked to break up into 3 pieces. One piece went left one went right, the one that looked to fall straight back down is the one in the turbine building. Thats why I was so pissed when they sent those guys in there to hook up the electrical. I Knew then that the piping was probably fubar'd.

by Lethbridgean at 3/30/2011 7:41:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:41:52 PM" ) )1:41 PM
If it was not until now: IAEA Briefing on Fukushima Nuclear Accident (30 March 2011, 16.30 UTC)- www.iaea.org

by oli333 at 3/30/2011 7:41:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/30/2011 7:41:51 PM" ) )1:41 PM

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