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@Dom: Yes it was posted and there was a big difference of opinion about the interepretation of word "Groundwater". Water underground free-flowing to ocean, rivers or just water found in basement of reactors but confined.
by Optim at 3/31/2011 4:36:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:36:13 PM" ) )10:36 AM
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@James Ward PR preceding possible increase of maximum isotope levels allowed by government agencies.
by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 4:35:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:35:46 PM" ) )10:35 AM
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by kgriff at 3/31/2011 4:34:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:34:37 PM" ) )10:34 AM
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TOKYO, March 31 (Xinhua) -- Radioactive substance about 10,000 times the limit was found at the groundwater around the No. 1 reactor of the troubled Fukushima No.1 nuclear power plant, local media reported Friday. (Sorry if this has already been posted)
by Dom at 3/31/2011 4:34:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:34:33 PM" ) )10:34 AM
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@all. I just posted a giant, enhanced blowup of the wide shot of the entire plant from the aerials on the 24th to the Picasa photo site. It's the source of that new crane/pipe/smudge shot; it's 6,000 px wide: for intrepid zoom-in explorers, I upscaled it in Photoshop and enhanced it a bit. You can dive fairy deep into it, and Picassa's zoom tool will make it easy to do on-line rather than downloading. It'll take it a few to appear I'm guessing, but it's the best resolution we've seen, and Photoshop's upscale algorithms did a pretty good job of it. I bumped it as high as I could without too many unnecessary artifacts, then adjusted some to compensate. I haven't heard back from Patrick Kelly about it being posted to the site, but assuming there isn't a size issue with Picasa, it should be available in a bit.
by radioguy at 3/31/2011 4:34:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:34:25 PM" ) )10:34 AM
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Here's an extreme example of some of the people on the pro-nuclear side of the debate "Viewpoint: We should stop running away from radiation"
linkshrink.de Hard to imagine anyone actually believing this.
by James Ward at 3/31/2011 4:33:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:33:44 PM" ) )10:33 AM
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@Optim - just consider it , don't hold your breath for the colour to change.
by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 4:33:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:33:20 PM" ) )10:33 AM
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*at least *within --typos
by Optim at 3/31/2011 4:32:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:32:22 PM" ) )10:32 AM
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@matsuoko: I mean reactor itself since there aren't building left around reactors. My point is either the trees withing 20-50-100 meters are not affected by radiation. The most plausible explanation is that radioactivity right outside is not very high to trouble the trees at lease.. @Lethbridgean: IF the trees are fake we are in big trouble...:)
by Optim at 3/31/2011 4:31:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:31:50 PM" ) )10:31 AM
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@all - Consider that the trees might be fake, when I worked at a Refinery and Mountain Removal coal mine in the rockies they used fake trees and spray painted grass for PR reasons...just saying...
by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 4:30:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:30:50 PM" ) )10:30 AM
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@dean I don't think that was a construction photo of this plant. I think it was from peach bottom.
by Joshua Diamond at 3/31/2011 4:30:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:30:48 PM" ) )10:30 AM
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I suspect many of you are already keeping an eye on articles from The Oil Drum, but in any case, their 'Status and Prognosis' article from today has quite a bit of information, outlooks, and comparisons.
www.theoildrum.comby Askwhy at 3/31/2011 4:25:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:25:12 PM" ) )10:25 AM
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when I look at slide 7 of the photos.. it looks like the blast field spread out over the roofs of the buildings and you can see the debris field then it looks as tho those grouping of trees directly in the path of the blast are either discolored from the debris or different in color... the other trees which are closer in the other photo and right next to the building seem to be ok.. .from the photos anyway
by dean at 3/31/2011 4:23:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:23:24 PM" ) )10:23 AM
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@dean We did a comparision from the tepco shots a few days ago on the trees.. there wasn't any difference then.. not sure about today
by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 4:23:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:23:02 PM" ) )10:23 AM
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@Joshua Diamond do not remember where i saw but, i did see that info the first few day
by fitter at 3/31/2011 4:22:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:22:45 PM" ) )10:22 AM
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@Optim : "Radioactivity is contained in the rector building" please clarify, what "building" ?
by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 4:20:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:20:59 PM" ) )10:20 AM
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Those Hi-Res photos are stunning...and devastating to look at. Thanks for the links, and again to everyone for all the continued updates.
by Askwhy at 3/31/2011 4:18:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:18:48 PM" ) )10:18 AM
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by kgriff at 3/31/2011 4:17:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:17:31 PM" ) )10:17 AM
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by kgriff at 3/31/2011 4:17:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:17:30 PM" ) )10:17 AM
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@Dean ..Look at the last picture.....No change in coloring of trees. I don't see huge effects of radiation on any trees.
cryptome.org IT's almost 3 weeks. Radioactivity is contained in the rector building, my understanding at least
by Optim at 3/31/2011 4:17:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:17:24 PM" ) )10:17 AM
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joshua.. there was a construction photo of the plant that someone maybe can find
by dean at 3/31/2011 4:16:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:16:27 PM" ) )10:16 AM
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Optim. I'd have to see the tree.. if it was close to where the explosions were there would have been some scorching if the heat was sufficient.. other than that any uptake of fall out would probably show up within some time... now, direct high levels of radiation could begin to show more immediate changes.. ..
by dean at 3/31/2011 4:15:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:15:56 PM" ) )10:15 AM
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@NHK Listener sorry for that, just logged on.
by kgriff at 3/31/2011 4:15:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:15:41 PM" ) )10:15 AM
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Does anyone know for certain whether the basemats at Fukushima Daiichi are built directly on the bedrock?
by Joshua Diamond at 3/31/2011 4:15:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:15:39 PM" ) )10:15 AM
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What is the standard they are talking about, to convert to an absolute radiation value -->
english.kyodonews.jpby kgriff at 3/31/2011 4:15:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:15:10 PM" ) )10:15 AM
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@kgriff The Milk story has been posted 4 times already.. Might want to read what has already been said about it
by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 4:14:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:14:47 PM" ) )10:14 AM
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Hold on now...this link
www.dailymail.co.uk suggest the level of contamination in milk as "Officials detected only 0.8 picocurie per litre." If the allowable level in drinking water is only 3pCi/L, how could the level be 5,000 times allowable values for milk? Wouldn't the level for milk be at or below that for drinking water?
by pj at 3/31/2011 4:14:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:14:15 PM" ) )10:14 AM
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In 2nd picture on the link bobby posted, there is a tree on the extreme right. Looks lush green. IT means radiation levels outside the reactor are not bad. Also, water that's feeding that tree is not very radioactive(perhaps?). What your opinion Dean?
by Optim at 3/31/2011 4:14:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:14:10 PM" ) )10:14 AM
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@pj Milk always gets contaminated first. Radiation gets concentrated in it. There will be plumes of radioactive particles which will not necessarily show up in widely separated testing stations.
by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 4:13:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:13:40 PM" ) )10:13 AM
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@vasra Any Idea why it took almost 24 hrs to release that press conference from the IAEA?
by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 4:13:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:13:37 PM" ) )10:13 AM
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if someone goes back to the CNN video of New York plant, Don't quote me... i believe they comment that one of the systems, has been leaking "water" for several years...... ITS ok tho them because they say "although they don't know were it is leaking it is with-in the ...containment area... ????? he discusses if refernce to having to add water during the refueling shutdowns..... seems pretty lax to me...
by fitter at 3/31/2011 4:13:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:13:01 PM" ) )10:13 AM
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very good detail
by dean at 3/31/2011 4:12:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:12:04 PM" ) )10:12 AM
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@dean go with vasra's link for the real hi-res
by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 4:10:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:10:53 PM" ) )10:10 AM
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@kgriff The findings in milk bother me, as do the numbers for rainwater in PA.
www.portal.state.pa.us That link suggests if one were to actually ingest rainwater it would contain between 13 and 30 times the allowable amount of I-131. Since animals often ingest rainwater and the grass it falls on, it seems like milk will become more of an issue, not less.
by pj at 3/31/2011 4:10:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:10:50 PM" ) )10:10 AM
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ty very much..
by dean at 3/31/2011 4:10:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:10:27 PM" ) )10:10 AM
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@dean Ssorry about the previous missling link. mis-pasted and didn't notice :)
by vasra at 3/31/2011 4:10:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:10:16 PM" ) )10:10 AM
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by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 4:09:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:09:54 PM" ) )10:09 AM
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@Dean Repeat: Source of the very high resolution photos of Fukushima NPP 24th of March, aerial view, if somebody wants to play with them :
cryptome.org (11.5MB zip file)
by vasra at 3/31/2011 4:09:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:09:48 PM" ) )10:09 AM
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may I get the link to the high resolution photos...
by dean at 3/31/2011 4:08:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:08:26 PM" ) )10:08 AM
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@Patrick Kelley I wasn't aware of that. I've only been checking Daiichi plant. Thanks.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 4:08:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:08:19 PM" ) )10:08 AM
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@radioguy do you have the old "red smudge" photo to compare?
by kgriff at 3/31/2011 4:08:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:08:13 PM" ) )10:08 AM
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@James Ward Certainly it would take much longer for groundwater to reach the ocean, so expect quite a time lag.
by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 4:05:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:05:44 PM" ) )10:05 AM
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Radiation from Japan's crippled nuclear plant detected in MILK in two U.S. states www.dailymail.co.ukby kgriff at 3/31/2011 4:05:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:05:20 PM" ) )10:05 AM
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remember: Daini had no cooling either and an evacuation zone was established as well, but meanwhile the daiichi zone covers daini zone completely.
en.wikipedia.orgby Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 4:05:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:05:03 PM" ) )10:05 AM
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www.kxly.com 31.3. 17:33 UTC : Idaho lab readies radiation-detecting robot for Japan
"The U.S. Department of Energy, which runs the lab, expects to have the robot ready and delivered next week."
by vasra at 3/31/2011 4:03:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:03:43 PM" ) )10:03 AM
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@fitter Good point, I hadn't been thinking about on-site tap water. I really hope that doesn't correspond with the levels coming out of the taps (if the workers have running water at all right now). Imagine using any of those fixtures with water that hot...
by Jay77 at 3/31/2011 4:01:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:01:33 PM" ) )10:01 AM
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Daiini 1,2,4 had accidents according INES 3
by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 4:01:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:01:15 PM" ) )10:01 AM
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www.newscientist.com 31.3. 16:43 :
Are nuclear reactions restarting at Fukushima?
"He agrees with Lee that spontaneous chain reactions are very unlikely. Even if they did occur briefly, they would not add much radioactivity or heat beyond what workers are already dealing with from the radioactive material that accumulated when the reactors were running at full power"
by vasra at 3/31/2011 4:00:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:00:02 PM" ) )10:00 AM
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@Bobby1 Thanks for the hydrology map you posted. The good news is that the water flow of the area is to the east and will not expand into the interior of the country. But, unfortunately, that's also the bad news because any water running underneath Fukushima will empty out into the ocean. How likely would it be that one or more reactors have melted down and are now leaking into but have not yet physically reached the groundwater? If that groundwater is now leaking into the ocean that could explain the elevated levels of radioactivity for which TEPCO is having trouble finding the source.
by James Ward at 3/31/2011 3:58:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:58:13 PM" ) )9:58 AM
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@Pedro Jesus These reactors have been at level 3 from the start when they lost cooling.
by Patrick Kelley at 3/31/2011 3:55:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:55:17 PM" ) )9:55 AM
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@radioguy "weren't they?" (sorry, I don't know what's happening to my English today)
by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 3:54:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:54:38 PM" ) )9:54 AM
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I meant radioguy. Sorry
by Jeff Reid at 3/31/2011 3:54:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:54:11 PM" ) )9:54 AM
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@Jeff Reid I haven't posted any pictures here. Sorry, must have been someone else. But the big cranes inside the reactor buildings in Fukushima Daiichi are painted green.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 3:53:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:53:40 PM" ) )9:53 AM
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@radioguy You're right. Stable cold shut-down is green (no level). Something must have happened. There were reports of steam coming from the Daiini plant today (Japan time) weren't day. It's worth checking that out.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 3:52:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:52:23 PM" ) )9:52 AM
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*Daiichi R5 and R6.
by radioguy at 3/31/2011 3:51:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:51:37 PM" ) )9:51 AM
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@Pedro Jesus ...yes, the pic you posted. The "rust" object appears to be some sort of crane.
by Jeff Reid at 3/31/2011 3:51:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:51:34 PM" ) )9:51 AM
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@Jeff "Bodies of 1,000 victims of Japan earthquake and tsunami not collected because of fears of high levels of radiation" <- disease risk
by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 3:50:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:50:13 PM" ) )9:50 AM
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@Pedro Jesus But it's yellow. R5 and R6 as well as the remaining Daini are green with no level.
by radioguy at 3/31/2011 3:50:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:50:10 PM" ) )9:50 AM
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@Vasra Sometimes I hate my I Pad...It autofills. Thanks!
by LM at 3/31/2011 3:49:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:49:12 PM" ) )9:49 AM
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by Jeff at 3/31/2011 3:48:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:48:38 PM" ) )9:48 AM
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@radioguy I think that's the normal level when they are under cold shut-down.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 3:48:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:48:38 PM" ) )9:48 AM
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by es at 3/31/2011 3:48:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:48:08 PM" ) )9:48 AM
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@Jay77 groundwater = all (probably) plus ccw (condensate cooling water is tap/well water until it gets to the chemical injection points (would still be labled) CCW - also you have toliets,sinks,...emergency "eyewash" stations - probably emergency "decon" shower system in those buildings --- they all require Tap water... and it is almost always underground...
by fitter at 3/31/2011 3:47:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:47:53 PM" ) )9:47 AM
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@all I notice on the bottom of the JAIF report, they are listing 3 Daini reactors as level 3. Is that new or have I just always missed it before?
by radioguy at 3/31/2011 3:47:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:47:28 PM" ) )9:47 AM
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@LM Be careful not to put a dot '.' at end of URLs, it breaks them. Use a space first, like this :
english.kyodonews.jp .
by vasra at 3/31/2011 3:47:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:47:20 PM" ) )9:47 AM
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Whoever posted last night please repost. I had a lot of photos recapping the ordeal and of the officials bowing at the end.
by Lisa at 3/31/2011 3:46:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:46:59 PM" ) )9:46 AM
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by es at 3/31/2011 3:46:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:46:45 PM" ) )9:46 AM
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@Jeff Reid Was that for me? I'm out of context.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 3:46:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:46:37 PM" ) )9:46 AM
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@dean Yes, here's a hi-res download zip. Repeat: Source of the very high resolution photos of Fukushima NPP 24th of March, aerial view, if somebody wants to play with them :
by vasra at 3/31/2011 3:45:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:45:54 PM" ) )9:45 AM
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The Reuters article also mentions unusually high levels of cesium in beef from the area...just as they're considering lifting the ban on some Fukushima products.
english.kyodonews.jp This is an outrage!
by LM at 3/31/2011 3:45:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:45:21 PM" ) )9:45 AM
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by Lisa at 3/31/2011 3:45:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:45:05 PM" ) )9:45 AM
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@dean, theres a link a few pages back to a zip of the full-sized photos.
by radioguy at 3/31/2011 3:45:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:45:04 PM" ) )9:45 AM
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The Unit 6 numbers are showing Te-129 (70 min half-life), La-140 (2 day half-life).
by Deirdre at 3/31/2011 3:44:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:44:28 PM" ) )9:44 AM
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That looks like a crane Pedro
by Jeff Reid at 3/31/2011 3:44:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:44:01 PM" ) )9:44 AM
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good morning to all... here is a link for the nice photos.. you probably already have them....
photos.oregonlive.comby dean at 3/31/2011 3:43:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:43:50 PM" ) )9:43 AM
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Yeah hold on. Someone posted a great one here last night.
by Lisa at 3/31/2011 3:43:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:43:29 PM" ) )9:43 AM
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by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 3:43:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:43:24 PM" ) )9:43 AM
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@Lisa do you have a link for this?
by kgriff at 3/31/2011 3:42:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:42:52 PM" ) )9:42 AM
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by
radioguy via
Lh6.googleusercontent at 3/31/2011 3:42:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:42:29 PM" ) )9:42 AM
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Hi. You guys are amazing. Is no one talking about the announced plans to entomb Fukushima? I thought this was not possible because of the unknown beneath the reactors? Sorry if I missed something!
by Lisa at 3/31/2011 3:42:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:42:14 PM" ) )9:42 AM
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by radioguy at 3/31/2011 3:42:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:42:01 PM" ) )9:42 AM
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@radioguy Groundwater = fresh water, Sea Water = salt water, right?
by kgriff at 3/31/2011 3:41:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:41:27 PM" ) )9:41 AM
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Frankly, the distinction between groundwater and sea water (which is already known to be contaminated by the plant) becomes a little fuzzy around coastlines.
by radioguy at 3/31/2011 3:40:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:40:10 PM" ) )9:40 AM
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@Pedro Jesus Yes. We've seen three so fa.r ;)
by radioguy at 3/31/2011 3:38:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:38:45 PM" ) )9:38 AM
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@radioguy Hence, the news ambiguity.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 3:38:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:38:38 PM" ) )9:38 AM
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@radioguy I don't know much Japanese (just started to learn) but I can imagine how easy it is to go wrong on that translation.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 3:38:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:38:07 PM" ) )9:38 AM
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@Patrick Kelley I sure hope not.
by Jay77 at 3/31/2011 3:37:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:37:06 PM" ) )9:37 AM
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Great link to the TEPCO releases. It uses the translation "basement water" rather than groundwater.
by radioguy at 3/31/2011 3:36:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:36:59 PM" ) )9:36 AM
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@jay77 I think they put them as close to freshwater sources as possible for cooling.... Maybe no Dai-ichi but most plants are built near running fresh water....
by Patrick Kelley at 3/31/2011 3:35:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:35:59 PM" ) )9:35 AM
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@Matsuoko World of difference there.
by radioguy at 3/31/2011 3:34:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:34:48 PM" ) )9:34 AM
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Also, I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that groundwater = drinking water quite yet. That would be pretty poor planning if any major municipal potable water aquifer passed underneath a NPP (although that was the case at Chernobyl, so not unheard of I guess).
by Jay77 at 3/31/2011 3:34:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:34:35 PM" ) )9:34 AM
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@radioguy Makes perfect sense. There are so many different industrial colour standards but they all follow the same basic rules. Blue for safe, Red for hazardous, regarding workers safety.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 3:33:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:33:35 PM" ) )9:33 AM
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@Pedro Jesus If that pre-quake picture is accurate it looks like they might use blue for safe, cool water, and red for hot water or steam, since both could be from the core steam generation system. There are two water systems in the condensers, one for cooling seawater, one for condensed loop water. In the plant itself, there would be perhaps safe water for cooling, and unsafe water for internal RPV steam generation circulation. Just thoughts. I have no way of knowing.
by radioguy at 3/31/2011 3:31:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:31:42 PM" ) )9:31 AM
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by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 3:30:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:30:31 PM" ) )9:30 AM
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Kyodo is quoting TEPCO and I haven't seen anything at TEPCO's reports yet. There's a lot of samples analysed on the 30TH most of them showing radioactive substances. For those who say TEPCO doesn't release enough information, enjoy the reading:
www.tepco.co.jpby Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 3:29:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:29:43 PM" ) )9:29 AM
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I commented on the Reuters article, basically a request to recheck, since Kyodo news flash isn't saying anything connecting the 10000 and #2.
by Markfm at 3/31/2011 3:29:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:29:03 PM" ) )9:29 AM
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@all groundwater .... is probably all watertable/runoff/rember pipe run ungerground is baried and probably has leaks... a potable (drinking water) is not the durable quality of say your feedwater to the reactors... if potable water is lost your sink doesnt work.... if the feedwater goes down, you have no source for the reators.. (other than it should go to a tank then to the systems as a redunency (just quessing) also feedwater has chemicals in it for corrosion reasons (non-potable) and will not be the same color as drinking water... color codes identifie the systems so someone does not coss connect them... also the condition now will have caused some of the carbon steel pipe to rust... exspecially the sea water....
by fitter at 3/31/2011 3:26:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:26:37 PM" ) )9:26 AM
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Sounds like both a tunnel and groundwater
by Jay77 at 3/31/2011 3:26:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:26:30 PM" ) )9:26 AM
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I haven't seen any of the Major Plant Parameters published for 31 March. Kyodo says nothing about reactor 2 ground water, maybe Reuters rushed a bit.
by Markfm at 3/31/2011 3:26:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:26:14 PM" ) )9:26 AM
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So Kyodo news says groundwater from around the #1 reactor and Reuters says water from a underground tunnel under #2 reactor...... great!
by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 3:26:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:26:08 PM" ) )9:26 AM
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@nls - "The operator also found radiation in groundwater near a turbine building of the No.1 reactor of the Fukushima Daiichi plant, Kyodo added."
by Hank Scorpio at 3/31/2011 3:26:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:26:01 PM" ) )9:26 AM
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@nls - That's Reuters quoting Kyodo. Their interpretation is way different than mine.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/31/2011 3:25:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:25:29 PM" ) )9:25 AM
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@Nancy OK, I sent that pipe detail to you and Picasa. I think it's a rusted pipe. There's a fitting.
by radioguy at 3/31/2011 3:25:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:25:03 PM" ) )9:25 AM
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@Hank Scorpio not groundwater - here it says water in the tunnel
www.reuters.comby nls at 3/31/2011 3:24:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:24:27 PM" ) )9:24 AM
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@Nancy Ground water from around #1 reactor. Is that inside or outside the building? How do they take ground samples past the concrete floor? This news requires clarification.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 3:23:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:23:53 PM" ) )9:23 AM
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Around #1 is interesting. That's the one that had been running high pressure for some time.
by Markfm at 3/31/2011 3:22:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:22:58 PM" ) )9:22 AM
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@Hank Scorpio I've seen more redundant news these past couple of weeks than actually novel news. So that's besides the point. Let's try and figure that one out.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 3:21:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:21:40 PM" ) )9:21 AM
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by Hank Scorpio at 3/31/2011 3:21:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:21:34 PM" ) )9:21 AM
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Kyodo is running this as a news flash so it is new and it sounds like it IS groundwater.
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 3:21:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:21:30 PM" ) )9:21 AM
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GROUNDwater
by Hank Scorpio at 3/31/2011 3:21:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:21:07 PM" ) )9:21 AM
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A radioactive substance about 10,000 times the limit was detected from groundwater around the No. 1 reactor of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Thursday.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/31/2011 3:21:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:21:02 PM" ) )9:21 AM
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Expect another news release shortly saying "Woops, did we say underground water? We meant the water inside the trench. From last week. Not to worry, our bad."
by Jay77 at 3/31/2011 3:20:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:20:16 PM" ) )9:20 AM
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by Nancy at 3/31/2011 3:20:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:20:15 PM" ) )9:20 AM
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@Nancy that isn't a confirmed official account, you can find it here:
twitter.com by Canadian at 3/31/2011 3:19:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:19:15 PM" ) )9:19 AM
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It is an underground water caused by rain
by oli333 at 3/31/2011 3:19:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:19:14 PM" ) )9:19 AM
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Rather, times the normal amount found in the core. We're talking about something else.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/31/2011 3:17:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:17:36 PM" ) )9:17 AM
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@Pedro- That wouldn't be news. The #3 water was 10K times the limit. #2 was 100K times the limit. Those numbers are almost a week old. It would be redundant to report about the water in the turbine rooms or trenches.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/31/2011 3:17:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:17:14 PM" ) )9:17 AM
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@Markfm Isn't that from the trenches?
by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 3:16:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:16:08 PM" ) )9:16 AM
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Underground is tap drinking water
by oli333 at 3/31/2011 3:16:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:16:07 PM" ) )9:16 AM
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@Hank -- Good catch. Question is where is this measurement being taken, then?
by Markfm at 3/31/2011 3:15:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:15:21 PM" ) )9:15 AM
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@Patrick Kelley Has anyone figured out what their news alerts mean when they say "the limit"? Which limit? Also confused by the phrase "underground water" - that doesn't sound like the ocean to me...
by Jay77 at 3/31/2011 3:14:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:14:29 PM" ) )9:14 AM
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I really hope this is a joke. On twitter supposedly from TEPCO tep_co TokyoElectricPowerCo
We are confident in our decision not to extend the evacuation zone at #Fukushima. The worst is over.
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 3:13:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:13:44 PM" ) )9:13 AM
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@Markfm - That says underground water. I take that to mean ground water.
by Hank Scorpio at 3/31/2011 3:13:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:13:28 PM" ) )9:13 AM
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What the heck is going on with that water in the ocean? 10000x limit? (Thanks, Patrick, for posting it)
by Markfm at 3/31/2011 3:13:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:13:08 PM" ) )9:13 AM
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Some international colour codes: Water = Green, Gas = Yellow, Steam = Silver, Compressed Air = Sky Blue, Nitrogen Gas = Yellow, Diesel - Dark Blue, Fresh Water - Green, Chilling Water - Bus Green, Hot parts = Red (I'm sure this would be the standard adopted in the Fukushima plant).
by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 3:12:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:12:35 PM" ) )9:12 AM
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For those catching up (like me), this morning's Reuters Snapshot
www.reuters.comby Jay77 at 3/31/2011 3:12:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:12:12 PM" ) )9:12 AM
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@all - Consider the source but here is an interesting article about phone interview with worker's family member:
www.foxnews.comby Stormy at 3/31/2011 3:11:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:11:24 PM" ) )9:11 AM
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Corium hit the table?
by Hank Scorpio at 3/31/2011 3:11:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:11:22 PM" ) )9:11 AM
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by kgriff at 3/31/2011 3:10:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:10:58 PM" ) )9:10 AM
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BREAKING NEWS: Radioactivity 10,000 times the limit detected from underground water: TEPCO -http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/index.html
by Patrick Kelley at 3/31/2011 3:10:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:10:41 PM" ) )9:10 AM
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Resource: PDF that has information on Boric acid corosion: Environmentally-Assisted
Degradation of Structural Materials
in Water Cooled Nuclear Reactors
www.antinternational.comby Canadian at 3/31/2011 3:04:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:04:57 PM" ) )9:04 AM
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The tepco wage - do I get paid for the whole day if I put my 15 minutes in? Time-card or salaried, need to know.
by Scilla at 3/31/2011 3:03:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 3:03:54 PM" ) )9:03 AM
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@pedro P&ID are in yesterdays link at top (salvador) two drawings
by fitter at 3/31/2011 2:59:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:59:55 PM" ) )8:59 AM
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@Pedro Jesus if you could look at the P&IDS and see if you can corrodinate equipment location (restricted to building/equpment boundries only) they are not like a plan drawing. i don't know if dean evver came back with his opinion, but i welcome second
by fitter at 3/31/2011 2:58:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:58:34 PM" ) )8:58 AM
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can you post a close up of that?
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 2:58:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:58:20 PM" ) )8:58 AM
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@all Gotta love it. It turns out that rust-colored cloud of gas or water were trying to figure out was a resolution artifact. With the new pics, you can see it's a rusted beam.
by radioguy at 3/31/2011 2:56:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:56:54 PM" ) )8:56 AM
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Question: If telephones are not working and mobile communications are unavailable inside the protection zones due to the insulation, how do they communicate with the outside world?
by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 2:56:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:56:36 PM" ) )8:56 AM
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@Nancy also when looking at pipe lines nancy see if you see lines with the identificatin label following the same color... each plant will have a chart the backgroung will be one and the print is usually black... but there are so many... its like its own sience....
by fitter at 3/31/2011 2:55:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:55:52 PM" ) )8:55 AM
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by audi at 3/31/2011 2:53:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:53:50 PM" ) )8:53 AM
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"pointed" (my brain is still half asleep)
by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 2:53:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:53:22 PM" ) )8:53 AM
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@someone, could someone save or marke the before pictures so i can look at them tonight and see what elements i can idetify but the connection ect....
by fitter at 3/31/2011 2:53:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:53:03 PM" ) )8:53 AM
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@stevejh00 did not look at link (working) but we have plant here in US that do not follow inernation codes, but they are a good indicaater.... also look at how the equipment is connected, sometimes you can identife high pressure vs low if it has insulation (covered with ss skin its hot/or cold so to reatin system and NOT burn employees
by fitter at 3/31/2011 2:51:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:51:55 PM" ) )8:51 AM
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@fitter The primer, of course. Well point out.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 2:51:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:51:09 PM" ) )8:51 AM
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See what happens when I get up at 5am and fire up the coffee pot :-)
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 2:49:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:49:51 PM" ) )8:49 AM
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Someone posted them on twitter this morning. Score!
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 2:49:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:49:27 PM" ) )8:49 AM
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Whoever found those pictures, great score. We've been looking for the hi-res images from that shoot for days now.
by radioguy at 3/31/2011 2:48:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:48:59 PM" ) )8:48 AM
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by NervousinNJ at 3/31/2011 2:48:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:48:57 PM" ) )8:48 AM
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@all Correction/caution..... just to clearify red/rust is also the color of most primers under the paint, in the last pic you will notice (great pic by the way) the vavle handles are red..... 1) so you can find in a hurry/with low no lighting .... 2) back to hazard.... hazard is not only relitive to "radiation" even with your hard hat on if you walk into one of these it hurst the crap out of you... so REMBER "primer paint and "hazard is pertains to everyday operation safety to employees... soory i can be working with you its ammazing what you are doing... looks like some pumps may be green... silver colored pipe (not insulation cover) is probably a stinless steel, used when the process inside or where its going to is not compabile with carbon steel...
by fitter at 3/31/2011 2:48:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:48:22 PM" ) )8:48 AM
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According to the ustream video, there were some various structures painted that blue color so it could have been bits of those accessory equipment also. There are also some sort of red markers on either side of the reactor and the crane track. Something like that could have been the red draped bits I posted a close up of.
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 2:48:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:48:19 PM" ) )8:48 AM
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There are international codes for color of pipework. Blue is water. Link here for more info.
www.pteinc.comby stevejh00 at 3/31/2011 2:44:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:44:45 PM" ) )8:44 AM
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@Nancy, you might look at this video here:
www.ustream.tv at the beginning. It depicts some of the parts we are looking for.
by Peter Melzer at 3/31/2011 2:43:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:43:37 PM" ) )8:43 AM
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I meant "painted"
by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 2:43:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:43:18 PM" ) )8:43 AM
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They're painting red to alert the workers to the fact that they are treading very dangerous areas. Also on this last picture you can see that any part of the machinery that requires human interaction is painting red. Like someone said before, red is for highly dangerous parts accessible by workers.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 2:42:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:42:44 PM" ) )8:42 AM
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The close up shot I posted of some red colored items draped over a corner of what is left of #3 could be catwalk panels. The heat could have easily made them soft enough to droop when they landed.
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 2:41:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:41:56 PM" ) )8:41 AM
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@Canadian, right color of blue. So sounds like piping of some variety
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 2:40:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:40:36 PM" ) )8:40 AM
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Nucleartourist at 3/31/2011 2:39:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:39:49 PM" ) )8:39 AM
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@vasra@Nancy Awesome job! I think the are the best I have seen.
by Angie at 3/31/2011 2:38:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:38:50 PM" ) )8:38 AM
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@Nancy Usually they are.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 2:38:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:38:33 PM" ) )8:38 AM
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@pedro so those red bits could be those? are the platforms like steel catwalk type things?
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 2:37:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:37:57 PM" ) )8:37 AM
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www.freitag.de :
"There's an advertisement for working in Fukushima nuclear plant, 4938 dollars per day." Wish I knew Japanese and had a high enough nuclear plant clearance. I'd go immediately. Chance of a lifetime.
by vasra at 3/31/2011 2:37:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:37:47 PM" ) )8:37 AM
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@all: would be great if anyone would find recent pictures from inside #3 reactor building a few times before the tsunami: it may help a lot to identify debris...
by Jocelyn Mayer at 3/31/2011 2:37:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:37:30 PM" ) )8:37 AM
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@vasra wow! great images
by dimmer at 3/31/2011 2:37:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:37:25 PM" ) )8:37 AM
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And red seems to be used on access platforms around the reactor.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 2:37:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:37:20 PM" ) )8:37 AM
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@fiona, when I zoomed in to the max on those blue things they looked like some sort of small boxes like a large tool box or large milk crate with some broken bits scattered around. Or as Pedro just mentioned they could be piping. One piece looked a bit square edged but hard to tell even on zoom.
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 2:36:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:36:19 PM" ) )8:36 AM
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Blue seems to be the piping colour code.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 2:34:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:34:24 PM" ) )8:34 AM
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As far as the red bits of shrapnel in the images I posted. I am unsure what they are. Some people thought reactor bits. Can someone with more knowledge of the reactors give some advice if there are other red painted structures other than the reactor capsule?
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 2:34:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:34:10 PM" ) )8:34 AM
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@borrrden Hope the sea rise projections are wrong, then.
by radioguy at 3/31/2011 2:33:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:33:45 PM" ) )8:33 AM
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@Nancy ok - It was the Reactor 3 pic with the green and red circles, just noticed there was chunks of blue stuff as well.
by fiona at 3/31/2011 2:33:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:33:18 PM" ) )8:33 AM
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Blue bits may be from decorative painting on the outside of the walls: media.nola.com
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Markfm via
Media.nola at 3/31/2011 2:33:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:33:03 PM" ) )8:33 AM
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by borrrden at 3/31/2011 2:32:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:32:24 PM" ) )8:32 AM
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@vasra Thanks for that link. Downloading.
by radioguy at 3/31/2011 2:32:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:32:10 PM" ) )8:32 AM
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RE: high res photos Vasra mentioned. If you don't have photoshop you should be able to download the zip file of the huge images and open them with most photo editing or viewing software.
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 2:31:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:31:25 PM" ) )8:31 AM
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Repeat: Source of the very high resolution photos of Fukushima NPP 24th of March, aerial view, if somebody wants to play with them :
cryptome.org (11.5MB zip file)
by vasra at 3/31/2011 2:30:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:30:24 PM" ) )8:30 AM
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BTW, I posted all these or everyone to review, use etc. Anything that looked useful or of sections that have been under discussion were added.
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 2:30:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:30:19 PM" ) )8:30 AM
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@Nancy: sorry, I got to work, but trying to follow the discussion from time to time...
by Jocelyn Mayer at 3/31/2011 2:29:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:29:41 PM" ) )8:29 AM
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One useful product of these picture analyses would be to help build a detailed site map.
The map could identify expected hotspots where "ejecta" and/or readings indicate extreme* radiation. These could be specific areas that workers/personnel should avoid - i.e., when walking/driving on site. These hotspots would require additional clean-up attention. If data is available, the onsite folks could build a map grid with GPS coordinates, etc. (* It's all relative.)
by Deirdre at 3/31/2011 2:29:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:29:40 PM" ) )8:29 AM
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@Fiona Hmm blue bits in what image? There were random blue bits around, nothing looks specifically like anything. IIRC none of the reactor equipment is blue.
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 2:29:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:29:35 PM" ) )8:29 AM
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@Nancy - i am sticking with it - what a the blue bits from?
by fiona at 3/31/2011 2:28:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:28:14 PM" ) )8:28 AM
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Interview with Prof Wim Turkenberg, atomic/molecular physicist, Utrecth University about Fukushima :
www.greenpeace.orgby vasra at 3/31/2011 2:28:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:28:04 PM" ) )8:28 AM
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@Nancy: yes it seems to be a huge concrete block to me. Looking on the hole form it seems it has been not falling vertically but with a high horizontal speed; it could then be part of the east wall structure
by Jocelyn Mayer at 3/31/2011 2:27:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:27:12 PM" ) )8:27 AM
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@Markfm I thought the same thing when I saw it...
by borrrden at 3/31/2011 2:26:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:26:27 PM" ) )8:26 AM
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Just grabbed it so people could see the details. I thought it showed a good representation of the size of the hole, even with perspective distortion.
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 2:26:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:26:02 PM" ) )8:26 AM
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Not sure what comparing a hole in the roof to a minivan on the ground buys. Multi-story building, I thought (perhaps wrong). Need to know the lens information, camera height,...
by Markfm at 3/31/2011 2:25:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:25:14 PM" ) )8:25 AM
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@vasra. No we did not determine what went through the turbine building roof. Look at the close ups I am thinking possible a huge piece of concrete? Maybe a corner of building, large piece of the deck or lower thick concrete or the concrete cap.
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 2:24:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:24:55 PM" ) )8:24 AM
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@Jocelyn Mayer ok, thanks.
by vasra at 3/31/2011 2:24:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:24:47 PM" ) )8:24 AM
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@vasra: it can be seen through the hole that a large rectangular bloc of concrete crashed into the turbines building: it's still in place and can be seen through the hole. The hole matches what it would be after such a crash. No mystery there
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@Nancy Good shots. #4 was discussed some days ago. Containment cap was apparently removed due to removal of the fuel rods as the unit was in cold shutdown already and rods were being moved to the spent fuel pool. Did you already solve what went through the roof of #3 turbine hall?
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@Peter Melzer: don't forget physics laws: if the containment vessel would have been open by the explosion it would have reached atmospheric pressure instantly: gasses always expand as much as they can. It started to drop almost 1 week _after_ the explosion which means it was not breached above the water level before 20 Mar. All pressure mesures from this reactor seem consistent; unless they are forged we must admit the containment level was not leaking steam just after the explosion
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@Pedro Jesus It is in the tsunami zone, many people may he spent a lot of time outdoors. And it is up to March 24th, a week ago.
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Furthermore, I just saw this, it assumes that the person being measured is a 1 year old child...I kid you not o,0
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Warning: lots of incoming large images.
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 2:17:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:17:38 PM" ) )8:17 AM
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OK, so after reading it more thoroughly, this is what it says. On the ultraconservative basis that you spend every waking moment outdoors, this is approximately how much radiation your thyroid will have absorbed. They stress that this analysis is of limited reliability however. You can cut this exposure by 75 - 90% by being inside.
by borrrden at 3/31/2011 2:15:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:15:27 PM" ) )8:15 AM
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@borrrden @Bobby1 According to the translation provided by Google, those are estimates based on very little data, so highly unreliable. They seem to try to estimate the amount of accumulated exposure to the thyroid if someone stood outside permanently and without any protection. If someone would have done that, he/she would have died after the first few nights of exposure to the negative temperatures, not from the radiation. I'm not sure what they're trying to prove with that piece of information.
by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 2:15:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:15:16 PM" ) )8:15 AM
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@fitter, sorry I cannot help there. My job in a controlled zone was mostly in West Germany. I worked a year at the Oak Ridge/ReacTs, and also there we wore badge dosimeters in the lab.
by Peter Melzer at 3/31/2011 2:14:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:14:35 PM" ) )8:14 AM
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@fitter Ok, saved.
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Crap wrong window...please delete that!!
by borrrden at 3/31/2011 2:12:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:12:48 PM" ) )8:12 AM
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by borrrden at 3/31/2011 2:12:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:12:34 PM" ) )8:12 AM
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@estacion That still works out to an average of over 300 microsieverts per hour....so something is odd.....
by borrrden at 3/31/2011 2:11:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:11:10 PM" ) )8:11 AM
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@Bobby1: That's correct, milliSeverts. But it's acummulated dose from March 12th to March 24th
by estacion at 3/31/2011 2:10:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:10:08 PM" ) )8:10 AM
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@radioguy could you save this comment, we need to formalize a question letter and summary to put in a package, this is very consice statement.. its spring break, so i am playing tag with emails and phones... going different route today if i don't get a commememnt
by fitter at 3/31/2011 2:10:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:10:00 PM" ) )8:10 AM
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@Peter Melzer i asked because wanted you opinion on "saftey enforcement" Japan does not seem to have our equivalent to OSHA or it is very lacking
by fitter at 3/31/2011 2:06:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:06:22 PM" ) )8:06 AM
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@Bobby1 It says very clearly mSv on the side. It does seem a little odd to me though....I'll try to translate it more thoroughly.
by borrrden at 3/31/2011 2:06:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:06:12 PM" ) )8:06 AM
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@vasra good comment.. also concrete dust would effect what color you can see... paint will change in fire/expolosion... if looking at photo of "actual" before look to see what colors the equipment was painted.. pumps will usually be the same color blue/green commen colors... tanks etc... yellow is somewhat universal for danger, with red being the highest level of danger..
by fitter at 3/31/2011 2:04:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:04:37 PM" ) )8:04 AM
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Http://www.fairewinds.com
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@borrrden Are you sure it's not microsieverts? 100 milliseverts in Ibaraki?
by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 2:03:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:03:00 PM" ) )8:03 AM
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@all Latest video from Gunderson at Fairewinds.com... Http://www.fairewinds.com
by LM at 3/31/2011 2:03:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:03:00 PM" ) )8:03 AM
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@Bobby1 It is a map of their preliminary calculations of total iodine deposits in the 12 day period of 3/12 to 3/24. You can follow the color coding to the right of the map (numbers are in millisieverts).
by borrrden at 3/31/2011 2:01:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:01:46 PM" ) )8:01 AM
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We've all commented on the difference in blasts between R1 and R3. Occam's Razor says the simplest solution is most often correct. Given that the space inside top of the enclosing building is about the same size on the two reactors, you can explain a certain amount of variance by the hydrogen/oxygen mix, but that blast on R3 was so much bigger, rapid release of pressurized gas on R3 as the unhardened venting system failed and blew apart seems like it might be the most transparent explanation of the difference.
I've thought the sound of the three explosions on that R3 video was probably echoes because they sounded the same, but listening closer, there are no follow-up echoes. So how about this scenario? The first blast is the gas mixture igniting in the open maintenance deck, blowing the top off the building, just like R1, except it blew apart the unhardened vent and exploded up through the hole taking the containment cap with it, venting all the gas in an explosive release. 1) venting explosion, 2) contained pressure explosion 3) released gas explosion. That's assuming the audio on that video wasn't edited.
by radioguy at 3/31/2011 2:01:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 2:01:44 PM" ) )8:01 AM
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@Peter Melzer Not sure you (all of you) already did it, but you should play with the chroma channel to better identify the color coded parts of the plant. They grey smoke/steam is masking some of the color, but it's there in the chroma channel, if you play a bit in photoshop.
by vasra at 3/31/2011 1:58:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 1:58:41 PM" ) )7:58 AM
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@fitter, Germany, but I reside stateside.
by Peter Melzer at 3/31/2011 1:57:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 1:57:30 PM" ) )7:57 AM
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Can anyone make this out - it is in Japanese, it's supposed to be a predicted radiation map.
www.nsc.go.jpby Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 1:57:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 1:57:08 PM" ) )7:57 AM
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@Jocelyn Mayer, Salvador provided magnified images of reactor #3 the other day. These pics were shot from a slant angle exposing the floor under the collapsed roof. They were blurry, but one could see quite clearly see that the concrete plug and the containment cap were gone. The reactor vessel cap seemed to be still on, and one could see steam rising from two locations on the rim.
by Peter Melzer at 3/31/2011 1:56:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 1:56:37 PM" ) )7:56 AM
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@Debra Beckham thanks :)
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@Peter Melzer what country are you from
by fitter at 3/31/2011 1:52:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 1:52:35 PM" ) )7:52 AM
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That is absolutely inexcusable. They should have been able to get 100s without problem, request to GoJ. If GoJ didn't have them, GoJ could have requested from US or others, high pri articles delivered in < 24 hours by plane.
by Markfm at 3/31/2011 1:51:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 1:51:31 PM" ) )7:51 AM
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@hudebnik, We discussed this last night. I am not surprised. Note that the company does not release absorbed doses after worker accidents, but dose rates. This suggests that they actually reconstruct the doses the workers were exposed to with posthoc assessment.
by Peter Melzer at 3/31/2011 1:50:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 1:50:33 PM" ) )7:50 AM
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by Jocelyn Mayer at 3/31/2011 1:47:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 1:47:49 PM" ) )7:47 AM
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new JAIF reports:
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@hudebnik ty
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by hudebnik at 3/31/2011 1:47:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 1:47:09 PM" ) )7:47 AM
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@Nancy, great finds!
by Peter Melzer at 3/31/2011 1:46:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 1:46:57 PM" ) )7:46 AM
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@hudebnik could you provide link
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And this one, just because sometimes we need to take a break to smile: MacGyver saves Fukushima:
www.youtube.comby Debra Beckham at 3/31/2011 1:45:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 1:45:56 PM" ) )7:45 AM
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NHK NEWSFLASH - NHK has learned that Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, has not provided every worker at the damaged Fukushima nuclear plant with radiation monitors, breaking government rules. TEPCO says the quake destroyed many radiation monitors, so in some work groups only leaders have them, leaving others struggling to manage exposure.
by hudebnik at 3/31/2011 1:43:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 1:43:50 PM" ) )7:43 AM
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Found this video on youtube, it only has just over 1000 views, so not sure if you all have seen it. Appears to have been taken from a vehicle inside the plant:
www.youtube.comby Debra Beckham at 3/31/2011 1:42:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 1:42:58 PM" ) )7:42 AM
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@Jocelyn Mayer I've seen heavily repainted metal slough cohesive, solid-looking sheets of paint when torqued that would look like that if you blew them apart.
by radioguy at 3/31/2011 1:35:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 1:35:35 PM" ) )7:35 AM
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I have to go as my computer is have surgery hope to be back later
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 1:31:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 1:31:41 PM" ) )7:31 AM
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I put a clip from Vasra's post pointing to the mp3 file in News.
by Markfm at 3/31/2011 1:28:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 1:28:17 PM" ) )7:28 AM
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@John: Oops, my bad. Too tired, I wanted to write 'The same applies to the reactor head', _not_ crane
by Jocelyn Mayer at 3/31/2011 1:26:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 1:26:18 PM" ) )7:26 AM
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@John: due to its position and look (can be clearly seen looking like a bar on the arial pic taken from the western side), I think the yellowish stuff seen at the west size, under the side of the crane is part of the crane track
by Jocelyn Mayer at 3/31/2011 1:22:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 1:22:16 PM" ) )7:22 AM
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@John: yes, I think you've localised the crane. If the top of the container vessel would have been blown away by the explosion, the containment vessel air would have instantly reached the atmosphere pressure. That's a physical law for gasses. The same applies for the reactor crane. The yellow stuff in the debris might be metal residues or marking on concrete, or....
by Jocelyn Mayer at 3/31/2011 1:15:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 1:15:44 PM" ) )7:15 AM
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@John Great forensics. Great blowup, Nancy. If that's not a touchy choice of words.
by radioguy at 3/31/2011 1:04:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 1:04:13 PM" ) )7:04 AM
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fukushimafaq.wikispaces.com starting to accumulate today's links. Perhaps remove thedoing it now thank yo News from this page, add a link to the FAQ (others can add new news links to it)
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@Nancy Ok, but I will look on those pictures more, maybe I will find another interesting things
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John, can you make sure Patrick gets copies of these images for the archive? email them to pknuclear@gmail.com
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 12:52:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 12:52:19 PM" ) )6:52 AM
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Yea there were a lucky find. Saw a link on Twitter. I can get some detailed zoom ins.
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 12:38:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 12:38:58 PM" ) )6:38 AM
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@John, I see the yellow pieces and the crane. Great pics and good finds!
by Peter Melzer at 3/31/2011 12:38:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 12:38:09 PM" ) )6:38 AM
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Those are the yellow bits I saw. Def. shrapnel. I think John is right about the crane. I should have some larger zoom ins done in about an hour - have to run an errand in a few.
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aerial-2011-3-30-0-20-11.jpg im not 100% sure but it look like red core shield is cracked
by John at 3/31/2011 12:25:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 12:25:37 PM" ) )6:25 AM
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What pressure readings do they have for #3 that come from the secondary containment, not the reactor itself?
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 12:21:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 12:21:21 PM" ) )6:21 AM
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@elaine, nope. I just found an overhead of 4 the containment cap is intact.
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 12:20:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 12:20:50 PM" ) )6:20 AM
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I will do some looking and see if that might be the deal. Will try to post some up close shots later this morning
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 12:18:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 12:18:19 PM" ) )6:18 AM
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If you look a position of yellow pieces in #4 I think it possible that the piece in #3 was actually thrown from #4 but I am not techi enough to 'test' my theory
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 12:17:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 12:17:01 PM" ) )6:17 AM
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@Jocelyn, there are shards of something yellow in the rubble of #3.
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 12:13:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 12:13:23 PM" ) )6:13 AM
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@John, @Nancy, @elainekirk: if we consider the pressure levels given by Tepco from the explosion are correct, then we can be sure the reactor head and the containment vessel head are still in place on the reactor #3; the containment vessel is likely to have been weakened by the very high pressure before the explosion and the explosion itself but started to depressurized on 20Mar after another pressure rise occured; then it would mean that the reactor and the containment vessel were not leaking between 14Mar (explosion) and 20Mar which mean their head was not blown away by the explosion
by Jocelyn Mayer at 3/31/2011 12:11:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 12:11:30 PM" ) )6:11 AM
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I have them open in photoshop right now. I just need to know what view and can have something cropped and posted in a few minutes. I am looking at one over #3 and it looks like shards of the yellow cap in the rubble.
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 12:05:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 12:05:23 PM" ) )6:05 AM
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@John I couldnt open the high res ones can you give us more info ?
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 12:03:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 12:03:16 PM" ) )6:03 AM
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Yes, @hudebnik. Happened to me more than a couple of times, until I got used to using SHIFT-ENTER to encode line breaks and (to stay on topic) follow the news in here.
> Sorry enter always catches me on the blog!
by alblee at 3/31/2011 11:59:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:59:09 AM" ) )5:59 AM
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@elainekirk after reading today that they are not moving the exclusion zone as per IAEA recomendatons...........I think cuckoo land! I just sit and shake my head!
by Angie at 3/31/2011 11:58:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:58:37 AM" ) )5:58 AM
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@John, what image are you seeing that at? What reactor number?
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 11:57:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:57:50 AM" ) )5:57 AM
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From Japan PM's facebook page Outline of Press Conference held by Chief Cabinet Secretary Edano on March 31st at 20:00
by Prime Minister's Office of Japan on Thursday, 31 March 2011 at 12:45
・The Government will verify the cause of the Fukushima Dai-ichi Nuclear Power Plant accidents thoroughly after we bring the situation of the nuclear power station under control. Subsequently, based on the verification outcome, we will discuss and formulate a comprehensive energy policy.
・The Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare and the Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry, and Fisheries intend to set a clear direction that can contribute to lifting the suspension of agricultural product shipments incurred by the nuclear power plant accidents as soon as possible based on Food Safety Commission’s opinions.
www.facebook.com Are we on planet earth or cloud cuckoo land??
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 11:54:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:54:18 AM" ) )5:54 AM
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The USMC's Command Planning Guidance (CPG) called for the development of a strategic organization -- manned, trained, and equipped -- to manage the consequence of the growing chemical- biological threat. The Chemical, Biological, Incident Response Force (CBIRF), activated in April of 1996, grew from that initiative. DOD currently has two units with bioterrorism response capabilities, the Army's Technical Escort Unit (TEU) and the Marine Corps' Chemical-Biological Incident Response Force (CBIRF). CBIRF is a task organized, self sustaining unit consisting of approximately 375 Marines and sailors from a variety of Military Occupational Specialties. CBIRF is most effective when forward deployed in response to a credible threat or to protect events of national significance. CBIRF elements are capable of chemical/biological agent detection and identification, hazard prediction, advanced life saving and triage, evacuation of victims from contaminated areas, decontamination, incident site management and security as authorized. CBIRF is a highly trained consequence management force tailored for short notice response to terrorist initiated chemical and biological incidents. This unit owns and maintains commercially available radiological, biological and chemical defense equipment, general support equipment and medical equipment.
www.specialoperations.comby Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 11:48:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:48:54 AM" ) )5:48 AM
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The US military is sending Marines specialized in responding to nuclear emergencies to Japan to help deal with the trouble at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant....Oriki said US Defense Secretary Robert Gates has approved the sending of the 140-member Chemical Biological Incident Response Force....
www3.nhk.or.jp
The unit is trained in search-and-rescue operations and clearing highly radioactive nuclear materials.
by janet-k edited by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 11:41:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:41:42 AM" ) )5:41 AM
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Could someone please if possible answer me on the concrete idea and if there is a reason why it can't be done yet? I am hearing all sorts of things eg/ that it can be done now its just that it will leave a permanent reminder.......That doesnt sound right to me I thought it was because it is still too hot to cover yet......
by Angie at 3/31/2011 11:31:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:31:46 AM" ) )5:31 AM
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On 2011-3-30-0-20-11 photo there are 2 reactor shields (left upper part of reactor 4 building)one is yellow big, and 2nd smaller red, it is main reactor core shield
by John at 3/31/2011 11:31:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:31:44 AM" ) )5:31 AM
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It has been changed from closed to seceret so maybe thats why? maybe you need to be invited now?
by Angie at 3/31/2011 11:31:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:31:41 AM" ) )5:31 AM
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After watching hi-res photos of reactor 3 I think that reactor core is full exposed...
by John at 3/31/2011 11:31:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:31:36 AM" ) )5:31 AM
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Sudden increase in beta radiation, Eureka California, March 30
www.llrc.orgby Bobby1 edited by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 11:26:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:26:05 AM" ) )5:26 AM
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KYODO's BREAKING NEWS: Moody's lowers rating of Tokyo Electric Power by 3 notches (20:11)
by estacion at 3/31/2011 11:24:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:24:46 AM" ) )5:24 AM
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by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 11:15:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:15:55 AM" ) )5:15 AM
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Found dean's letter
www.facebook.com!/home.php?sk=group_173833182669536&view=doc&id=174078719311649
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 11:14:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:14:12 AM" ) )5:14 AM
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I just found these, high resolution images of the damage at the plant. The zip file has even larger ones for download. If anyone was looking for good detail on certain things these would be worth grabbing new zoom in's of them to review, you will get much more detail. I can do requests for a bit this morning, otherwise we have a very talented pool of volunteers able to do image and video work.
cryptome.orgby Nancy edited by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 11:00:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:00:42 AM" ) )5:00 AM
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My question is, if this was happening, criticality, would we see it outside the reactor, like the blue hue glow we saw on the TEPCO cam on an earlier night?
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 10:51:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:51:54 AM" ) )4:51 AM
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From the Prime Minister's Office of Japan's facebook page
www.facebook.com 2. The Situation of the Fukushima Dai-ichi Nuclear Power Plant
The Government of Japan has been providing relevant information on the nuclear power plant accidents proactively to foreign governments. We have called on other countries to react in a rational manner based on scientific findings.
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 10:49:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:49:20 AM" ) )4:49 AM
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Sorry enter always catches me on the blog!
by hudebnik at 3/31/2011 10:38:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:38:51 AM" ) )4:38 AM
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hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu On Day 16 of the Chernobyl crisis, TIME magazine published a map of the radioactive cloud. No such maps have been published for Fukushima by Day 21.
by Bobby1 edited by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 10:38:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:38:48 AM" ) )4:38 AM
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by hudebnik edited by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 10:38:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:38:15 AM" ) )4:38 AM
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by hudebnik edited by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 10:37:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:37:32 AM" ) )4:37 AM
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A couple of very interesting (and worrying) articles from yesterday about the possible Cherenkov flashes etc:
by hudebnik at 3/31/2011 10:37:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:37:27 AM" ) )4:37 AM
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@elainekirk Sure, as soon as I'll have something to say!
by Marco at 3/31/2011 10:30:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:30:56 AM" ) )4:30 AM
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@marco please continue to input to the board
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 10:28:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:28:25 AM" ) )4:28 AM
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Going offboard for about 3 hours... Thanks.
by alblee at 3/31/2011 10:27:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:27:25 AM" ) )4:27 AM
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by Olivier at 3/31/2011 10:27:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:27:05 AM" ) )4:27 AM
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@borrrden, thanks for the Kawasaki pdf.
by alblee at 3/31/2011 10:26:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:26:28 AM" ) )4:26 AM
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@elainekirk: this is a great visual explanation !
by Jocelyn Mayer at 3/31/2011 10:22:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:22:31 AM" ) )4:22 AM
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@elainekirk ok, thanks!
by Marco at 3/31/2011 10:21:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:21:21 AM" ) )4:21 AM
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@elaine - i looked at that(deleted item) and think it would be great if one of our clever people on here could make up some illustrated guide as to exact sequence of events-I find topics really difficult to follow sometimes and when you see the odd picture now and again you don't really retain the info.
by fiona at 3/31/2011 10:20:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:20:49 AM" ) )4:20 AM
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@marco if you go back in the thread a few hours you will be able to read full discussion on this . Our mod policy has been set out by George and if a subject has already been discussed we leave repeat posts for 2minutes to see if anyone wants to input further and delete if no further discussion takes place
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 10:20:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:20:36 AM" ) )4:20 AM
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@borrrden Good to hear the levels aren't too alarming. I'm on the other side of the planet and radiation was recently detected in Oxfordshire, which is about 15 miles from me. Miniscule amounts of course, but does show how quickly and how far this stuff can get about. Hopefully the further releases won't be too vast, else we can look forward to increased levels locally, wherever we are. None is far better than any.
by Paul (UK) at 3/31/2011 10:15:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:15:17 AM" ) )4:15 AM
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@jocelyn I did rather show my lack of techi knowledge putting that up , the fact it came from a normally reliable journo put me of guard I have deleted it so nobody else will be misled. And I must confess I only looked at first couple of slides so a lesson to me to always check no matter what/who the source isThank you
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 10:08:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:08:31 AM" ) )4:08 AM
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@janet-k Seawater radiation increasing about 33% per day.
by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 10:05:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:05:48 AM" ) )4:05 AM
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@elainekirk: very interresting document from Areva; one should keep in mind Areva's goal is to demonstrate this could not happen in France, then the presentation might not be so objective and factual.
Quoting Anne Lauvergeon (Areva CEO) speaking at France2 news (main French TV public channel) on 03/14 20:00 : "even in the case of a core meltdown, there can be no leak in the environment"(we can figure how true this is) + "this kind of low cost reactor are not future. This is unlikely to ever happen in France given the secure technology we have"
by Jocelyn Mayer at 3/31/2011 10:05:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:05:26 AM" ) )4:05 AM
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NHK ticker: Radiation 4,385 times higher than the legal standard has been detected in seawater at a location 330 meters south of the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.
www3.nhk.or.jp by janet-k at 3/31/2011 10:03:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:03:35 AM" ) )4:03 AM
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oops.. that was posted before.. now its black again
by ifz at 3/31/2011 10:02:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:02:16 AM" ) )4:02 AM
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@alblee Here is the drinking water results for Kawasaki City, if you haven't seen them already. Neither Iodine or Cesium have been detected since 3/23 until yesterday (iodine at one plant).
www.city.kawasaki.jpby borrrden at 3/31/2011 9:58:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:58:38 AM" ) )3:58 AM
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hi all, Jo l'indien trying to follow from time to time from work...
by Jocelyn Mayer at 3/31/2011 9:58:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:58:24 AM" ) )3:58 AM
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@Bobby1 Yes I know that. I wasn't trying to imply anything other than I am watching how things are in my area.
by borrrden at 3/31/2011 9:57:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:57:06 AM" ) )3:57 AM
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@alblee Actually it is neither, they were detecting cesium before but it has dropped back down to non-measurable levels.
by borrrden at 3/31/2011 9:54:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:54:29 AM" ) )3:54 AM
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Konbawa, @borrrden. Arigato. I hope it's that your waterworks utility is not detecting cesium yet, and not that it's not detecting (or testing for) cesium per se. Best wishes. I have a daughter in Kawasaki, and I am quite concerned about the water system, too, to say the least.
by alblee at 3/31/2011 9:53:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:53:46 AM" ) )3:53 AM
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It could be a sign for cherenkov-radiation - one picture is taken at darkness - the blue light. the daylight-picture shows, from where this light come from. another link:
enenews.comby Ben at 3/31/2011 9:53:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:53:38 AM" ) )3:53 AM
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@borrrden The meteorological conditions over the past few days do not suggest that these concentrations would be increasing in your area. It tells us nothing about what is being released from the plant.
by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 9:53:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:53:35 AM" ) )3:53 AM
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@Paul (UK) I am far enough away to not feel an immediate sense of danger. The thing I watch most closely is drinking water levels, which are published daily by the prefecture government for each treatment plant. They are on a downward trend (my plant is now at 2.9 bq / l of iodine, and cesium is not detected). Rainwater also is causing much less radiation buildup (3 orders of magnitude less) than it was last week.
by borrrden at 3/31/2011 9:50:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:50:08 AM" ) )3:50 AM
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@hudebnik Done both thanks for nudge
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 9:47:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:47:24 AM" ) )3:47 AM
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@borrrden: Thanks Borrrden. I guess many there, as elsewhere, are having to rely on the web for info, especially regarding the radiation concerns. Hope you're OK?
by Paul (UK) at 3/31/2011 9:46:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:46:57 AM" ) )3:46 AM
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Hi Elaine please could you pin one of the radiation maps linked below? ty
by hudebnik at 3/31/2011 9:46:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:46:01 AM" ) )3:46 AM
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@sublimator !!!! thankyou so much I will just exercise my delete wand
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 9:42:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:42:44 AM" ) )3:42 AM
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@marco the url you give doesn't work, would you like to try again with more info?
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 9:39:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:39:56 AM" ) )3:39 AM
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Marco via
Livedoor.blogimg.jp at 3/31/2011 9:39:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:39:37 AM" ) )3:39 AM
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@elainekirk your link
docs.google.com is from AREVA, the french company who sold the MOX to TEPCO in the first place . Fantastic PR they have. LOL
by sublimator at 3/31/2011 9:39:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:39:28 AM" ) )3:39 AM
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@borrden @Bobby1 Thanks for the clarifications... "Fission Happens." (FWIW, We were discussing the hotspots to the NW several hours earlier in this thread.)
by Rob in SF at 3/31/2011 9:34:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:34:37 AM" ) )3:34 AM
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@Rob in SF For strontium to appear you would have to say "fission happens", not many things decay into strontium-90.
by borrrden at 3/31/2011 9:30:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:30:39 AM" ) )3:30 AM
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@Rob in SF The daily deposition rate of CS-137 has increased the past few days in areas northwest of the plant. No estimates of total emission of I-131 and Cs-137 have been released. No measurements of Strontium-90 have been released. No plutonium measurements away from the plant have been released. No official estimates or forecasts of atmospheric concentrations of radioactive particles over the Pacific and North America have been released.
by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 9:30:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:30:36 AM" ) )3:30 AM
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'To reestablish a cooling system, TEPCO may use robots or have to employ so-called "jumpers".
Jumpers are people who rush into a highly radioactive area, do one job, and then jump out within minutes. Some in the industry even refer to them as "gamma sponges" or "glow boys" because they can absorb a year's worth of radiation in those few minutes.'
www.reuters.comby Rob in SF at 3/31/2011 9:29:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:29:54 AM" ) )3:29 AM
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@Bobby1 Re: "No strontium measurements yet." Be patient, they're coming soon. Decay happens...
by Rob in SF at 3/31/2011 9:18:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:18:45 AM" ) )3:18 AM
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Another fresh-water barge just pulled in (2 drained already?)
A US military barge carrying 1,140 tons of freshwater to be used at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant has docked near the power station. twitter.comby Rob in SF at 3/31/2011 9:11:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:11:11 AM" ) )3:11 AM
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VeenOui via
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@borrden Call me crazy, I see gold trending down just prior to the quake, then up since, with a kick on the latest meltdown news.
by Rob in SF at 3/31/2011 9:04:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:04:41 AM" ) )3:04 AM
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I am in northern Saitama prefecture!
by borrrden at 3/31/2011 9:04:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:04:08 AM" ) )3:04 AM
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@All: Are many/any people on here in Japan? Just curious.
by Paul (UK) at 3/31/2011 9:03:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:03:46 AM" ) )3:03 AM
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@elaine - that one for me is fantastic - maybe whoever is doing the public education thingy on the other page would like that. I have been hoping someone here might have compiled something like that. Brilliant for us non technical people. thank you.
by fiona at 3/31/2011 9:02:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:02:40 AM" ) )3:02 AM
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good nite folks
by Sin at 3/31/2011 9:02:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:02:12 AM" ) )3:02 AM
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@Rob in SF The 18-day moving average is practically flat....
www.monex.comby borrrden at 3/31/2011 9:01:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:01:05 AM" ) )3:01 AM
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@Rob in SF Day 21. No strontium measurements yet.
by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 9:00:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:00:32 AM" ) )3:00 AM
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by Sin at 3/31/2011 9:00:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:00:07 AM" ) )3:00 AM
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Rob in SF via
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Algae holds promise for nuclear clean-up: Organism's ability to distinguish strontium from calcium could help in dealing with nuclear waste.
www.nature.com
by Rob in SF at 3/31/2011 8:54:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:54:48 AM" ) )2:54 AM
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My previous statement is a simplified story, to understand
by oli333 at 3/31/2011 8:49:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:49:58 AM" ) )2:49 AM
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@Lethbridgean - sleep well
by fiona at 3/31/2011 8:47:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:47:53 AM" ) )2:47 AM
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@Lethbridgean Nuclear power plant will be cooled with water for several months, and contaminated water will end up in the ocean. Reactors will be covered with something. And that's it. A Japanese remain contaminated soil and water, who knows for how much.
by oli333 at 3/31/2011 8:47:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:47:33 AM" ) )2:47 AM
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@Rob in SF The price of gold has been rising for the better part of the past decade....
by borrrden at 3/31/2011 8:47:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:47:12 AM" ) )2:47 AM
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@all nighty Night time.
by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 8:46:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:46:06 AM" ) )2:46 AM
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@Rob in SF Saw that too...I think the markets are being carefully manipulated as a direct result of the situation in Japan.
by Sin at 3/31/2011 8:45:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:45:41 AM" ) )2:45 AM
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It seems trouble comes in many forms FLASH: Two hurt in parcel bomb blast at office of Swiss nuclear lobby - Swiss agency SDA
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 8:44:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:44:54 AM" ) )2:44 AM
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The price of gold is rising.
by Rob in SF at 3/31/2011 8:44:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:44:08 AM" ) )2:44 AM
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@elaine - thats what worries me @sin - not in my lifetime then
by fiona at 3/31/2011 8:41:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:41:49 AM" ) )2:41 AM
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The main story about the nuclear power plant will end in a few months ago, a story about the contamination only God knows.
by oli333 at 3/31/2011 8:41:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:41:14 AM" ) )2:41 AM
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@fiona It wil technically take hundreds of thousands of yers for it to all end, considering halflifes.
by Sin at 3/31/2011 8:40:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:40:21 AM" ) )2:40 AM
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@oli333 - Oh? Why do you think that the end will be in acouple months.
by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 8:39:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:39:32 AM" ) )2:39 AM
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@Cup.... Nice Link.... This was especially sad
A Vegetable Grower in Fukushima Commits Suicide after Restriction on Vegetables — “I Can’t Take It Anymore”
fukushima.greenaction-japan.org
30 March 2011
by Sin at 3/31/2011 8:39:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:39:11 AM" ) )2:39 AM
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I think @fiona that there may be a gulf opening twixt those willing to help and those needing help owing to advice on evacuation zones etc not being heeded.
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 8:39:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:39:08 AM" ) )2:39 AM
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@Lethbridgean good observation
by oli333 at 3/31/2011 8:38:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:38:57 AM" ) )2:38 AM
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@Sin i agree
by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 8:38:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:38:09 AM" ) )2:38 AM
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@fiona End will be in couple of month.
by oli333 at 3/31/2011 8:38:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:38:07 AM" ) )2:38 AM
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@Rob in SF They will not be helping at the plants, or in the evacuationone as per the article I read. Seems suspicious to me.
by Sin at 3/31/2011 8:37:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:37:41 AM" ) )2:37 AM
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DOH!: Damaged reactors at the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant may take three decades to decommission and cost operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. more than ¥1 trillion, engineers and analysts said. (Tepco done.)
search.japantimes.co.jpby Rob in SF at 3/31/2011 8:37:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:37:28 AM" ) )2:37 AM
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@Rob - I just have a really bad feeling about all of this - The whole situation seems to be changing-the focus seems to have gone completely from the Earthquake/Tsunami to Nuclear (for good reason) but where will it all end and how
by fiona at 3/31/2011 8:36:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:36:30 AM" ) )2:36 AM
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@Lethbridgean My 16 year old still enjoys his milk, but I know it is more of a danger to younger children. I do think, as the milk contamination spreads, so will the outrage...there's just something about milk....the symbology of it I guess.
by Sin at 3/31/2011 8:36:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:36:02 AM" ) )2:36 AM
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@Rob in SF - I think the radiation control team will be "helping" the American Nationals and Military evacuate. They will screen for radiation and decontaminate only, not really help Japan. Thats just my conjecture/speculation though.
by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 8:35:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:35:30 AM" ) )2:35 AM
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Some information I haven't come across elsewhere: Tracking Japan's Nuclear Crisis -
fukushima.greenaction-japan.org Hope this is relevant. If not, my apologies.
by Cup at 3/31/2011 8:35:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:35:10 AM" ) )2:35 AM
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G'night George
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 8:34:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:34:57 AM" ) )2:34 AM
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Nite all be back in a couple hours.
by George Gibb at 3/31/2011 8:34:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:34:39 AM" ) )2:34 AM
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by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 8:34:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:34:37 AM" ) )2:34 AM
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@Lethbridgean child knows what is good
by oli333 at 3/31/2011 8:33:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:33:47 AM" ) )2:33 AM
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@Sin : I have a 1.7 year old that still enjoys her milk, When I saw this news earlier and dicussed it with my wife this was the first time since this crisis began that she was upset. My wife likes living in a bubble, I worry for my 2 kids future.
by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 8:30:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:30:27 AM" ) )2:30 AM
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Kyodo reports "U.S. forces to pull out personnel in disaster relief mission by mid-April (17:18)" but also what I believe ElaineK refers to: "A 140-member U.S. military radiation control team will arrive in Japan soon to help deal with the nuclear crisis, Self-Defense Forces chief of staff Gen. Ryoichi Oriki said Thursday." So we stop with quake/tsunami help, but bolster nuke help?
by Rob in SF at 3/31/2011 8:30:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:30:15 AM" ) )2:30 AM
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radiation found in milk in Washington and in California ( but don't worry, drinking a pint is equal to a 5 hour plane flight)
www.cnn.comby Sin at 3/31/2011 8:27:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:27:12 AM" ) )2:27 AM
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@John - my thoughts 'were' it was #3 reactor and spent fuel pool. Now I think it could be more than that...
by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 8:26:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:26:53 AM" ) )2:26 AM
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FWIW, coincidentally Dai-ichi is almost on the same latitude as Diablo Canyon, and SF is virtually on the same line, c. 37.5
by Rob in SF at 3/31/2011 8:22:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:22:57 AM" ) )2:22 AM
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Which unit is flashing ? This could be only from SFP in 3 or 4... or some reflection from 1
by John at 3/31/2011 8:21:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:21:28 AM" ) )2:21 AM
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@Sin - I guess we were seeing the reactors "Chugging" a light show.
by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 8:21:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:21:22 AM" ) )2:21 AM
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@fiona @lethbridgean this is true yup
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 8:19:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:19:09 AM" ) )2:19 AM
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Congrats to all the bloggers and their hours long discussions of the TEPCO cam pics that something was flashing at night
enenews.comby Sin edited by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 8:18:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:18:47 AM" ) )2:18 AM
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@fiona- very much so, like a tailpipe from a car in winter compared to summer
by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 8:18:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:18:10 AM" ) )2:18 AM
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@VeenOui right click - open in new tab -> flashes :)
by ifz at 3/31/2011 8:17:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:17:14 AM" ) )2:17 AM
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#3 I think
by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 8:17:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:17:06 AM" ) )2:17 AM
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@elaine-probably a yes no answer - but would the air temperature outside affect the amount of steam/vapour we see
by fiona at 3/31/2011 8:17:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:17:04 AM" ) )2:17 AM
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@Lethbridgean not after i googled it
by Sin at 3/31/2011 8:16:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:16:39 AM" ) )2:16 AM
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which unit blew first #4 or #3 ?
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 8:16:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:16:25 AM" ) )2:16 AM
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This was slightly humorous THE SKY IS FALLING "Could it happen here? Do you think? Oh no. I see these Japanese families, tears in their eyes, hauling their children out of radioactively poisoned cities and homes, and all I can think is, “Those could be my kids. That could be me hauling my Cuisinart to safety in my cherry red Radio Flyer wagon.”
We’re such happy narcissists. Oh how our hearts go out to those poor Japanese families, but first: Save me! Who’s to blame? Am I safe? Is that filthy nuclear plume coming toward me? Agh! Run! Shut your doors! Lock your windows! Someone cram me up with a potassium iodide enema!
I’m so sick of reading about Diablo Canyon every day. Could it happen here? What could happen here? Every single day it’s another slice of panic and terror. To be fair, it’s worth taking a look. This paper did so last week. But come on, will ya? Can we all take a collective breath? Instead, everyone’s madly clambering over one another, screaming about how they hated Diablo Canyon first."
www.newtimesslo.comby Sin at 3/31/2011 8:16:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:16:20 AM" ) )2:16 AM
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@Sin : Hard time finding the blog again though?
by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 8:15:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:15:33 AM" ) )2:15 AM
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@Lethbridgean no, just closed the tab and deleted m history without bookmarking it.
by Sin at 3/31/2011 8:14:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:14:33 AM" ) )2:14 AM
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@elainekirk - hotter steam unpressurized is vapour
by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 8:13:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:13:53 AM" ) )2:13 AM
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@VeenOui I am with you on the smoke/steam and an starting to think the heat of it is why we don't 'see' more
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 8:12:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:12:32 AM" ) )2:12 AM
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did you have computer issues did i hear earlier?
by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 8:12:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:12:27 AM" ) )2:12 AM
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2:17 am here
by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 8:11:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:11:43 AM" ) )2:11 AM
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4 am here
by Sin at 3/31/2011 8:11:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:11:11 AM" ) )2:11 AM
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me too
by Sin at 3/31/2011 8:11:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:11:00 AM" ) )2:11 AM
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@Sin - insomnia more like it
by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 8:10:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:10:35 AM" ) )2:10 AM
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@Lethbridgean SUCH passion!
by Sin at 3/31/2011 8:10:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:10:05 AM" ) )2:10 AM
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I think I am by myself anyway
by Sin at 3/31/2011 8:09:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:09:32 AM" ) )2:09 AM
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How long can CNN keep saying 4380X normal limit of radioactive iodine-131 is not a concern to Humans?No mention of the other isotopes either??????? Drink a Coke and be happy.
by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 8:09:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:09:29 AM" ) )2:09 AM
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@elainekirk No worries, you are fine.
by Sin at 3/31/2011 8:09:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:09:03 AM" ) )2:09 AM
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@sin I will be more careful I have a quick sleep and everything happens !
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 8:08:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:08:33 AM" ) )2:08 AM
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Shelters, clinics turn away evacuees, fearing radioactive contagion
By Julian Ryall, Daily Telegraph March 30, 2011 9:00 PM
Read more:
www.vancouversun.comby Sin at 3/31/2011 8:07:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:07:27 AM" ) )2:07 AM
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@elainekirk Yeah, that was out an few hours ago too.
by Sin at 3/31/2011 8:06:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:06:46 AM" ) )2:06 AM
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@VeenOui I thing this is a smoke
by oli333 at 3/31/2011 8:06:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:06:09 AM" ) )2:06 AM
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Am I repeating old news/rumour? reading a lot about the USMC Chem Bio Incident Response Force being dispatched
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 8:04:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:04:34 AM" ) )2:04 AM
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by
VeenOui via
Pointscope01.jp at 3/31/2011 8:02:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:02:38 AM" ) )2:02 AM
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Space-A flights available to those who didn't leave Japan under departure program
By Charlie Reed YOKOTA AIR BASE, Japan — Those who chose not to take part in the military’s voluntary departure program are now allowed to travel in and out of the country on the popular space-available flights from the three major Air Force bases in Japan and the Navy airstrip near Tokyo, according to military officials.
However, the roughly 7,000 U.S. military dependents who took the military-funded flights out of Japan in the last few weeks are not authorized to use the Space-A program to re-enter the country, officials said.
www.stripes.comby Sin at 3/31/2011 7:58:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:58:55 AM" ) )1:58 AM
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That advertisements for Coca-Cola
by oli333 at 3/31/2011 7:54:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:54:04 AM" ) )1:54 AM
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@oli333 Same in US...I found it humorous.
by Sin at 3/31/2011 7:53:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:53:31 AM" ) )1:53 AM
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That is supposed to be flashing and showing the glow at night.....http://enenews.com/ethereal-blue-flash-may-occur-during-localized-criticality-bloomberg
by Sin at 3/31/2011 7:52:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:52:53 AM" ) )1:52 AM
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@Sin Ha Ha Coca-Cola scandal in France they bootled water from local pipe.
by oli333 at 3/31/2011 7:52:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:52:13 AM" ) )1:52 AM
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@elainekirk Yeah, that was going around earlier today, but the flashing photo from the TERCO CAM makes me proud of our group here he pointed that out a week ago. livedoor.blogimg.jp
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Sin via
Livedoor.blogimg.jp at 3/31/2011 7:51:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:51:45 AM" ) )1:51 AM
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TOKYO: Coca-Cola boosts Japan bottled water output
Coca-Cola says its bottled-water plants in Japan are running 24 hours a day to meet demand amid fears of tap water contamination from a crippled nuclear power plant.
www.thenewstribune.comby Sin at 3/31/2011 7:49:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:49:09 AM" ) )1:49 AM
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goodnight all
by gabe at 3/31/2011 7:48:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:48:02 AM" ) )1:48 AM
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There is a bloomberg report here
enenews.com as you can imagine it is becoming viral on twitter
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 7:45:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:45:52 AM" ) )1:45 AM
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@Rob in SF ha ha ha...they talk about a mexican bar in that article, which seems weird to me.
by Sin at 3/31/2011 7:45:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:45:01 AM" ) )1:45 AM
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I guess they are kinda getting used to it....plus it was 400+km from Tokyo
by Sin at 3/31/2011 7:44:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:44:17 AM" ) )1:44 AM
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@Sin "Bars empty in lonely city near Japan nuclear accident www.reuters.com" = ROAD TRIP! ;^)
by Rob in SF at 3/31/2011 7:43:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:43:50 AM" ) )1:43 AM
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@VeenOui Weird looks like 2. Also doesn't even make NHK anymore...
by gabe at 3/31/2011 7:42:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:42:15 AM" ) )1:42 AM
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by Sin at 3/31/2011 7:41:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:41:59 AM" ) )1:41 AM
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@VeenOui Im going with the 6.2
by Sin at 3/31/2011 7:41:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:41:01 AM" ) )1:41 AM
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Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said 180 becquerels per cubic centimeter of radioactive iodine-131 has been detected in seawater sampled on Wednesday at a location 330 meters south of the troubled nuclear plant.
The level is 4,385 times higher than the legal standard, and far above the 3,355-times level detected on Tuesday.
www.nationmultimedia.comby elainekirk at 3/31/2011 7:40:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:40:14 AM" ) )1:40 AM
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by VeenOui at 3/31/2011 7:38:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:38:54 AM" ) )1:38 AM
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by Sin at 3/31/2011 7:38:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:38:46 AM" ) )1:38 AM
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@Sin preliminary 6.0 when posted.
by gabe at 3/31/2011 7:36:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:36:56 AM" ) )1:36 AM
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by VeenOui at 3/31/2011 7:35:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:35:20 AM" ) )1:35 AM
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by Sin at 3/31/2011 7:32:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:32:42 AM" ) )1:32 AM
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@tippytoe Well said.
by Sin at 3/31/2011 7:31:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:31:44 AM" ) )1:31 AM
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Iwate just had another 6.0 quake.
by gabe at 3/31/2011 7:31:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:31:14 AM" ) )1:31 AM
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@M I noticed your comment in the other event and will respond shortly ty
by George Gibb at 3/31/2011 7:28:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:28:54 AM" ) )1:28 AM
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@continuing that thought... You just see how JGov downplayed everything all the way through, and is still doing it. This is not joke, it's peoples' lives at stake. Now we're getting the yeah, there's radioactive particles traveling here, but they're of no health risk. Which is true for the time being, but it all depends on how long this thing continues whether or not that will be the end result. I haven't seen a single reassuring word about this from anyone as of yet. Nobody knows how long this will continue and how much radioactivity will be spread over what area. This is why I hope everyone is paying attention to radiation in their areas and will blow the whistle if they notice things are becoming worse than officials let on.
by tippytoe at 3/31/2011 7:28:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:28:09 AM" ) )1:28 AM
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@Sin, I think that the JGov is stuck between a rock and hard place here. If money or land wasn't an issue I think they would have issued the evac plan for an extended area long ago. This is why I generally distrust gov't and try to pry information out of every corner available. Not because I think there is an evil conspiracy (although some certainly do exist), but because gov't will find themselves in situations they can't handle, and just tend to fall back on their 'we honest but stupid' routine.
by tippytoe at 3/31/2011 7:21:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:21:48 AM" ) )1:21 AM
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Two things I have been thinking about...1. considering the trillions of Yen Tepco will have to pay for the evacuees,farmers hardships, this payout would increase exponentially if they widen the evacuation zone, so perhaps this is why they hesitate, because when Tepco goes under, the Japanese government has to pay. 2. Perhaps it is the history of Japan from nuclear fallout that makes them less careful than they should be, since they have already experienced radiation danger on a wide scale in the past....
by Sin at 3/31/2011 7:17:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:17:16 AM" ) )1:17 AM
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nhk live
by Pat at 3/31/2011 7:16:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:16:36 AM" ) )1:16 AM
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@Salvador- can you go to the other site please, regarding your machine
by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 7:15:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:15:20 AM" ) )1:15 AM
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@oli333 You are absolutely right. It's just weired that so many people say the media are not reporting enough about the severity of the nuclear situation and so many people say the media are dramatizing the situation. So if the truth is in the middle maybe the media are doing a good job anyway? :-)
by M at 3/31/2011 7:14:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:14:18 AM" ) )1:14 AM
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Thanks in advance for any answers......off to cook dinner....BBL
by Angie at 3/31/2011 7:11:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:11:37 AM" ) )1:11 AM
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@M It's a good question, but the truth is always somewhere in the middle.
by oli333 at 3/31/2011 7:09:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:09:50 AM" ) )1:09 AM
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VeenOui via
Pointscope01.jp at 3/31/2011 7:09:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:09:45 AM" ) )1:09 AM
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@M Just so. I did note the quality and credibility or the lack thereof of the "experts" appearing on mainstream media early on in this event.
by Sin at 3/31/2011 7:07:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:07:43 AM" ) )1:07 AM
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@M Yeah sensationalism sells.
by gabe at 3/31/2011 7:07:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:07:17 AM" ) )1:07 AM
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Oops, I meant Sims cnn link about the truck driver making a nuke. Off to read yours M\
by d_news at 3/31/2011 7:06:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:06:31 AM" ) )1:06 AM
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Holy that was an interesting read M!!
by d_news at 3/31/2011 7:04:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:04:51 AM" ) )1:04 AM
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At the risk of sounding stupid.......Tell me why we can't concrete now??? I know there was a reason but I can't find it or remember why. Sorry brain overload today!
by Angie at 3/31/2011 7:04:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:04:46 AM" ) )1:04 AM
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As Dean would say: I need to go rest. Night all!
by Karen Warren at 3/31/2011 7:03:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:03:33 AM" ) )1:03 AM
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Night George
by FradyKat at 3/31/2011 7:03:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:03:19 AM" ) )1:03 AM
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Cheers George
by hudebnik at 3/31/2011 7:02:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:02:34 AM" ) )1:02 AM
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morning all
by fiona at 3/31/2011 7:01:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:01:19 AM" ) )1:01 AM
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@Karen Warren Maybe he will change his tune at the 4pm conf.? On now, or soon.
by gabe at 3/31/2011 7:01:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:01:17 AM" ) )1:01 AM
