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• Japan Reviewing Water Tests Showing Iodine at 10,000 Times Limit www.bloomberg.com
  by ifz at 3/31/2011 8:54:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:54:28 PM" ) )2:54 PM
• I watched the NRC/DOE senate hearings and was interesting what I found..
  by dean at 3/31/2011 8:54:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:54:26 PM" ) )2:54 PM
• This is my Who's Who that's angry in Japan and speaking out post..plant inspecter Kazuma Yokota twice spoke out on safety issues, first that Iodine pills should have been given immediately after the blast, and broke the story to CNN on the worker's deplorable living conditions. Fed up Company man ?
  by Pat at 3/31/2011 8:54:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:54:24 PM" ) )2:54 PM
• @elainekirk @dean please check the moderator event later when you have time for new updates. Thanks.
  by George Gibb at 3/31/2011 8:54:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:54:15 PM" ) )2:54 PM
• @Sin: No mistake about it... it's all about the money. I'm following the G7 story as well. BTW, thanks for the last link, but it didn't open for me.
  by Karen Warren at 3/31/2011 8:53:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:53:19 PM" ) )2:53 PM
• GOOD point Jo, I was thinking something similar but some sort of a polymer material or a material that would flow in and seal dry, if they could get into enough areas.. even if they had to bore drill through some walls or find penetrations to use... .then check to see if it's still leaking... I've been a proponent of circulating water within the building... i thnk there is enough heat sink to do that .. and not loose all cooling capabilities..
  by dean at 3/31/2011 8:52:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:52:32 PM" ) )2:52 PM
• @fitter at times it is good to relax and chat but the chat doesnt need to be archived as it would be out of context and not relevant.
  by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 8:52:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:52:15 PM" ) )2:52 PM
• @Jeff Reid: the area covered with mud seems rather flat to me from the other aerial shot we have. Isn't it ? Is there a map with precise elevation ?
  by Jo Lindien at 3/31/2011 8:52:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:52:08 PM" ) )2:52 PM
• @Karen Warren I think you are correct but it seems to me that financial reasons are more of a factor than the Nuclear crisis per se.
  by Sin at 3/31/2011 8:52:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:52:02 PM" ) )2:52 PM
• Another spike: But readings taken in the sea near the plant showed that levels of radioactive iodine 131 had risen for another day, testing at 4,385 times the statutory limit, according to Hidehiko Nishiyama, deputy director general of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency. www.nytimes.com
  by Karen Warren at 3/31/2011 8:51:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:51:00 PM" ) )2:51 PM
• @dean: about #3 reactor:
  - do you agree that it cannot be cooled using a regular closed cooling loop ?
  - then how ?
  - does it seem possible to spray concrete inside the building in order to randomly close the leakage ?
  - what do you think about building a huge pool around #3 building ? Maybe too crazy ? ;)
  by Jo Lindien at 3/31/2011 8:50:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:50:04 PM" ) )2:50 PM
• The new Open Story feature on CNN makes their iReports easier to navigate, and gives a more personal view on how relief efforts are continuing and how the devastation affects normal people. ireport.cnn.com!.jspa?openStoryID=569508&hpt=C2#DOC-576246
  by Sin at 3/31/2011 8:50:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:50:00 PM" ) )2:50 PM
• fitter. I know what you mean.. some years ago I was involved with a testing program for the japanese reactor life time extension work.. they wanted to develop under water welding techniques.. we had to go through 2 broker type people to work with the agency people.. no one spoke english when they came and we had to get an interpreter... it was the norm to take them somewhere for dinner.. I took them to a cajun cooking place inside of an old renovated hotel.. .they took pictures and then I ordered for them.. they bowed every time... as we were sitting there .. one of them noticed a guitar on the fire place hearth and looked at his friends they smiled.. they waved at the owner and pointed and he said ok.... so.. they went over picked up the guitar and then saw sheet music by the beetles.. they all laughed and started singing beetles songs in english..
  by dean at 3/31/2011 8:49:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:49:50 PM" ) )2:49 PM
• @elainekirk just asking, not questiong... but could you define for me what that means so i understand... thanks
  by fitter at 3/31/2011 8:48:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:48:27 PM" ) )2:48 PM
• @Jeff Reid I thought, that is the outlett from the water coolant runoff ?..
  by VeenOui at 3/31/2011 8:48:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:48:13 PM" ) )2:48 PM
• @Jo Lindien It appears that way from above...let me take another shot showing the elevation
  by Jeff Reid at 3/31/2011 8:47:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:47:43 PM" ) )2:47 PM
• @pat do you have a twitter? if so I will happily follow you and retweet to help you reach your target audience twitter.com!/ElaineKirk
  by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 8:47:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:47:05 PM" ) )2:47 PM
• @VeenOui Not sure if it is sewage...I assume it's debris washed back out to sea
  by Jeff Reid at 3/31/2011 8:46:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:46:05 PM" ) )2:46 PM
• Reassuring: After the meeting, Kan and Sarkozy held a news conference and announced that France will lead the international community to help Japan resolve the problems at the crippled plant and come up with decontamination measures. www3.nhk.or.jp I'm going on record and stating that TEPCO will lose control/power, and GoJ is going to nationalize. Seems like the only sensible outcome.
  by Karen Warren at 3/31/2011 8:45:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:45:51 PM" ) )2:45 PM
• @Jeff Reid: thanks: the whole part covered with mud seems rather flat, isn't it ?
  The plant does not seem so damaged at this point, but the harbour part and a few small buildings between the harbour and the turbine buildings; the mole did a good job breaking the waves...
  by Jo Lindien at 3/31/2011 8:45:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:45:35 PM" ) )2:45 PM
• @dean while doing the job here in US we would have them over on weekend for dinner... when the highest ranking one stood and said time to leave..... eveyone just stoped and tahnked you and Party over....
  by fitter at 3/31/2011 8:45:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:45:06 PM" ) )2:45 PM
• @all To keep the archives topical I will be deleting some messages once they have moved down the board
  by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 8:44:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:44:29 PM" ) )2:44 PM
• @dean cheers was just having a fiddle with it
  by Treiagonaut at 3/31/2011 8:43:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:43:02 PM" ) )2:43 PM
• @dean agree in the pictures below are the beige areas elvation changes.. if so is the plant elevated or are those retaining walls.. and the plant elev lower?
  by fitter at 3/31/2011 8:42:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:42:24 PM" ) )2:42 PM
• jo has been keeping track of that Treiagonaut
  by dean at 3/31/2011 8:42:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:42:10 PM" ) )2:42 PM
• splitting the agencies was a very very good thing.. it seems to me.. I keep thinking that the emperor has a phone call made.. levels of government and the utility company come to the emperors area and emperor explains changes and they all bow and say.. yes sir
  by dean at 3/31/2011 8:41:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:41:47 PM" ) )2:41 PM
• @fitter, think even old cold war equipment could have been of great use, and save some lives too..
  by WolfDK at 3/31/2011 8:41:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:41:46 PM" ) )2:41 PM
• Has anyone done any correlation of temp/pressure readings of reactora 1-3 with regard to the boiling point of water at the respective pressures given ? .
  by Treiagonaut at 3/31/2011 8:41:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:41:44 PM" ) )2:41 PM
• @Jeff Reid Is that Sewage to the lower left in the sea water ?
  by VeenOui at 3/31/2011 8:41:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:41:34 PM" ) )2:41 PM
• you get too enmeshed in things and loose perspective and over all big picture..
  by dean at 3/31/2011 8:40:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:40:07 PM" ) )2:40 PM
• 
  usually in accidents.. I think that it's about at the point they are to change certain levels of management... to alternate
  by dean at 3/31/2011 8:39:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:39:44 PM" ) )2:39 PM
• @WolfDK inone respect That is the shame of it.... I hope they are bringing in the older ones fist, know that sound ignorant... but i think these people will be on limited time
  by fitter at 3/31/2011 8:38:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:38:49 PM" ) )2:38 PM
• oops
  by Jeff Reid at 3/31/2011 8:38:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:38:27 PM" ) )2:38 PM
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• yes.. fitter.. it's just unbelievable..
  by dean at 3/31/2011 8:37:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:37:47 PM" ) )2:37 PM
• Think the Japanese standard is usually high, but in this situation.. think about how many people there must be at the plant by now..
  by WolfDK at 3/31/2011 8:36:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:36:12 PM" ) )2:36 PM
• @Sin RE Cobra : you oughta see Twitter News Org.tweets.PATHETIC.that is a local story !!
  by VeenOui at 3/31/2011 8:36:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:36:03 PM" ) )2:36 PM
• @dean worked with three japanise enginneers for about two years, have more respect for them as a culture and design field... alot of what i am reading is just boggling my mind... "the work was done here in the US, but thier engr.. exct was exemplator... (not many change orders)
  by fitter at 3/31/2011 8:35:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:35:58 PM" ) )2:35 PM
• @Dean: It's revealing because it explains (at least, to me) why the GoJ is working on splitting up agencies and reporting (chain-of-command) protocols.
  by Karen Warren at 3/31/2011 8:35:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:35:43 PM" ) )2:35 PM
• @Pat not that we don't have issues here (us) but there seems to be/was a complete faliure to get supplies into the people and areas that needed and i think still need them.....
  by fitter at 3/31/2011 8:31:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:31:50 PM" ) )2:31 PM
• fitter, I would be absolutely blown away if their emergency re-entry procedures don't have special instrumentation requirements.. checklists, job briefings..
  by dean at 3/31/2011 8:31:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:31:07 PM" ) )2:31 PM
• This is my Who's Who that's angry in Japan and speaking out post...Senator Kouta Matsuda, used a friend’s helicopter to fly food, medicines and mobile-phone chargers to Miyagi, but was refused permission to land. He asked if he could drop the supplies at the airport, hovering just a metre above the ground. Again, he was told this was against the rules. www.economist.com Come back in Ten Years
  by Pat at 3/31/2011 8:27:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:27:42 PM" ) )2:27 PM
• @Lethbridgean @es: I would first like to know about the actual wave. I know about regional fact that can make wave grow, like very flat beach or rocks just below the sea level. Given the fact we have a harbour there, this is not the case here; may need to sea a sea map to get sure of how it looks...
  by Jo Lindien at 3/31/2011 8:27:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:27:29 PM" ) )2:27 PM
• Opinion: The two monitors that are in the video may have been used for illustration purposes only. WSJ article talked about the dosimetry monitors in an article yesterday stating that the dosimetry device was limited (can't remember the upper threshold level off hand). Well, if workers continue to leave the scene, GoJ will have no choice other than nationalization. Will France & the US take over? I'm not an alarmist, however, I smell more trouble on the horizon.
  by Karen Warren at 3/31/2011 8:27:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:27:12 PM" ) )2:27 PM

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• @Jeff Reid - great minds think alike.
  by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 8:26:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:26:04 PM" ) )2:26 PM
• FITTER.. some intrumentation they wear in addition to the film badge is a chirper,, which chirps as the rad levels increase then an alarm device that sounds when they get to within 89% of the allowed job dose
  by dean at 3/31/2011 8:24:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:24:48 PM" ) )2:24 PM
• @Lethbridgean I was thinking the same thing
  by Jeff Reid at 3/31/2011 8:24:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:24:45 PM" ) )2:24 PM
• @Jo I recall several mentions of significant regional subsidance since the earthquake and tsunami, not sure how much nr Fukushima...
  by es at 3/31/2011 8:24:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:24:27 PM" ) )2:24 PM
• @Jo Lindien - depends on the slope and force of the wave, the water could flow upto that part of the road but does not mean the wave from the tsunami was that big, but I would believe the water could flow up a gradual slope to that height,
  by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 8:24:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:24:07 PM" ) )2:24 PM
• yes fitter.. it's called a dosimeter,, and more instrumentation to go into zoned areas depending on rad levels.. they call it a zone I, II, and III
  by dean at 3/31/2011 8:22:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:22:58 PM" ) )2:22 PM
• yeah
  by Jeff Reid at 3/31/2011 8:22:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:22:14 PM" ) )2:22 PM
• @Jeff Reid Is it possible for you to take a screen capture?
  by Natalie at 3/31/2011 8:22:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:22:00 PM" ) )2:22 PM
• @dean are US workers required to wear monitors at all times inside the plant gates.. ie do the have a daily record of all employees and thier if any exposure total....
  by fitter at 3/31/2011 8:21:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:21:50 PM" ) )2:21 PM
• @Jeff Reid: yes, seems not very height... You think it was 76 ft ? then 23 meters ? This seem not consistent with any data from the tsunami data: the highest mesured wave was 7.3 meters, from what I sea, estimations are in the range of 10 meters for Iwate, from JMA
  by Jo Lindien at 3/31/2011 8:20:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:20:55 PM" ) )2:20 PM
• @Jo Lindien "The tsunami that crashed through the Fukushima plant on March 11 was 14 meters high." au.news.yahoo.com
  by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 8:20:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:20:40 PM" ) )2:20 PM
• @kgriff: Not surprised. @Dean: Never had a chance to look into the dosimetry equipment like we talked about yesterday, but I'll do it the w/e.
  by Karen Warren at 3/31/2011 8:18:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:18:51 PM" ) )2:18 PM
• @dean no, that would be nice though
  by Jeff Reid at 3/31/2011 8:17:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:17:30 PM" ) )2:17 PM
• "NHK has learned that Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, has not provided every worker at the damaged Fukushima nuclear plant with radiation monitors, breaking government rules." NHK www3.nhk.or.jp
  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 8:16:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:16:51 PM" ) )2:16 PM
• jeff.. is there a live google earth you can get?
  by dean at 3/31/2011 8:16:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:16:41 PM" ) )2:16 PM
• zoom down to street level...76ft.!
  by Jeff Reid at 3/31/2011 8:16:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:16:35 PM" ) )2:16 PM
• you can see the water line clear as day on the roads
  by Jeff Reid at 3/31/2011 8:15:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:15:40 PM" ) )2:15 PM
• @nls: thanks ! any raw video format is OK for me, but flash...
  by Jo Lindien at 3/31/2011 8:15:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:15:23 PM" ) )2:15 PM
• in google earth, use the little clock feature...click the back arrow until you are at 3/11/2011
  by Jeff Reid at 3/31/2011 8:15:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:15:09 PM" ) )2:15 PM
• NHK - USA approves sending 140 member "Chemical Biological Incident Response Force" www3.nhk.or.jp
  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 8:15:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:15:04 PM" ) )2:15 PM
• @Bobby1: that's what I was thinking of... and wondering if anybody did
  by Jo Lindien at 3/31/2011 8:14:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:14:43 PM" ) )2:14 PM
• @dean: ooops... .... raising up to .8 MPA on 20 Mar. It seems to me it could only have exploded with such a pressure. What do you think ?
  by Jo Lindien at 3/31/2011 8:14:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:14:14 PM" ) )2:14 PM
• @Jo Lindien Can you interpolate the tsunami height from observations from the north and south of the plant?
  by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 8:14:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:14:02 PM" ) )2:14 PM
• @Jo Lindien - is mp4 ok? dl.dropbox.com
  by nls at 3/31/2011 8:13:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:13:27 PM" ) )2:13 PM
• @dean: about false mesures: #3 suppression pool has been reported raising up to
  by Jo Lindien at 3/31/2011 8:13:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:13:00 PM" ) )2:13 PM
• @Jeff Reid I can't find that specific picture. But just looking at the coastal damage using that is just staggering.
  by Natalie at 3/31/2011 8:12:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:12:33 PM" ) )2:12 PM
• we were always trained.. trust your instruments and alarms until proven otherwise
  by dean at 3/31/2011 8:12:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:12:24 PM" ) )2:12 PM
• @Jo Lindien I'm not sure how accurate the alt. readings on google earth are but the water lines on the roads leading out of the plant are about 76ft. above sea level
  by Jeff Reid at 3/31/2011 8:12:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:12:03 PM" ) )2:12 PM
• true. jo.. that's what we used to use when lowering water levels..
  by dean at 3/31/2011 8:11:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:11:52 PM" ) )2:11 PM
• @dean: pressure, temperature and water level can be mesured with a great precision with mechanical instrumentation, needing no power to report data. As most reported data seem consistent, I for now presume they are relevant. But they sure may not be...
  by Jo Lindien at 3/31/2011 8:11:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:11:18 PM" ) )2:11 PM
• Interesting PDF www.irpa.net
  Introduction
  In June 1994, a fissure caused by a stress corrosion crack was detected in the shroud main body
  installed in the reactor pressure vessel in Unit #2 of this station. The structure of shroud is shown in Fig. 1.
  Countermeasures in this case included reinforcement of the cracked portion with brackets as well as a
  visual inspection every two periodical inspections on the weld line where cracks were reported frequently at all
  six plants.
  by Canadian at 3/31/2011 8:11:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:11:12 PM" ) )2:11 PM
• Truly sad stuff. Any news on the dusting or tenting?
  by Karen Warren at 3/31/2011 8:11:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:11:00 PM" ) )2:11 PM
• Yes I feel real bad for the people who owned livestock in that area. Those animals are their livelihood and evacuating a herd of cattle poses many difficulties. I don't want to go into it here but one can imagine the logistics and I just feel really bad for the people whose livestock are within the evacuation radius. So many people in this triple disaster have lost everything.
  by Sky at 3/31/2011 8:09:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:09:57 PM" ) )2:09 PM
• @Karen Warren this is a such a sad story that seems to have no end to the suffering....
  by fitter at 3/31/2011 8:09:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:09:48 PM" ) )2:09 PM
• jo.. were you able to see any high water marks on anything... I thought there were some tanks or something visible in the photo's that came up from somewhere
  by dean at 3/31/2011 8:09:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:09:39 PM" ) )2:09 PM
• 

  I would like to point out the force of the water ejected in the pre-event aerial photos from TEPCO of the plant. This is a good idea of how much cooling power they have lost from their normal pumps, and it is very hard to believe that they will be restored at any time in the next few years, if ever. 4.bp.blogspot.com

  by Sin via 4.bp.blogspot at 3/31/2011 8:09:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:09:06 PM" ) )2:09 PM
• I'd have to understand how they know and are measuring water into the facility and then try to have a backup way to tell if water is raising.... it's probably too high of radiation to do things like look at the hi pressure side of a delta pressure instrument
  by dean at 3/31/2011 8:08:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:08:57 PM" ) )2:08 PM
• @elainekirk, @es: thanks for the pics; what I'm trying to figure is how big the tsunami really was at Fukushima. I heard many contradictories data about it's height and I did not find one that I feel like could fit the missing data from JMA observations: Fukushima data are missing there...
  by Jo Lindien at 3/31/2011 8:08:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:08:51 PM" ) )2:08 PM
• Wow! Tragic and telling - Up to 1,000 bodies left untouched near troubled nuke plant
  english.kyodonews.jp
  by Karen Warren at 3/31/2011 8:08:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:08:01 PM" ) )2:08 PM
• 

  All clear ..
  pointscope01.jp

  by VeenOui via Pointscope01.jp at 3/31/2011 8:07:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:07:59 PM" ) )2:07 PM
• NHK hotel for up to 1600 evacuees www3.nhk.or.jp
  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 8:07:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:07:16 PM" ) )2:07 PM
• jo.. your statements makes perfect sense.. just as we expect from our NOBEL PRIZE winner..
  by dean at 3/31/2011 8:06:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:06:39 PM" ) )2:06 PM
• @Sky at what point in the Exposure limits/lenght of time... does this all get wraped up in hindering clean up, they have towns that have to be rebuilt... the debris from these areas has to be getting hot if the bodies they were refering to on the news are... can it be burnt and scubbed in vent stacks, the ash is then ????? also someone asked about the cow milk... dairy cows have to be milked every day and they are just dumping in trench (the ones i saw) were is all this going to accumulate...
  by fitter at 3/31/2011 8:06:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:06:34 PM" ) )2:06 PM
• @Jo Lindien dont know but plot data show that reactors water levels doesnt change when amount of injected water change
  by John at 3/31/2011 8:05:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:05:56 PM" ) )2:05 PM
• @Salvador I hope so. Otherwise it'd be implying that evacuation doesn't happen until it reaches 50mSv/day.
  by Jay77 at 3/31/2011 8:05:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:05:08 PM" ) )2:05 PM

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• @John: it's obvious #2 and #3 have serious leak. Did not have time to check latest data for #1 but as for yesterday it seemed to be leaking, or just a few water.
  by Jo Lindien at 3/31/2011 7:31:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:31:22 PM" ) )1:31 PM
• @jo did you catch the post quake pre tsunami video the other day?
  by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 7:31:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:31:09 PM" ) )1:31 PM
• @elainekirk Thanks for doing a great job. I upgraded you account and will sent you an email soon.
  by George Gibb at 3/31/2011 7:31:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:31:02 PM" ) )1:31 PM
• @Jim -- Hope you didn't believe I was saying it stinks. It's a quite solid cut.
  by Markfm at 3/31/2011 7:30:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:30:32 PM" ) )1:30 PM
• @es: do you mean flyby in Fukushima area ? I would greatly appreciate to have detailed facts or see shots just after the tsunami...
  by Jo Lindien at 3/31/2011 7:30:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:30:13 PM" ) )1:30 PM
• at what point does the house/town materials become "hot" from fall out and (in US) would have to be disposed of as "hazarous waste" there is an enourmaous amount
  by fitter at 3/31/2011 7:30:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:30:06 PM" ) )1:30 PM
• @jim I wasnt suggesting you did it ! you are too valuable here to have you wandering into that pit. I could pop it on mine, good mixture of friends and bring back the comments that were of value :)
  by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 7:30:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:30:06 PM" ) )1:30 PM
• @es Yes but it wasnt good quality
  by John at 3/31/2011 7:29:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:29:31 PM" ) )1:29 PM
• a reactor summary en.wikipedia.org
  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 7:29:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:29:31 PM" ) )1:29 PM
• Water levels are so bad, dont like this, they are fake or all 3 reactors are leaking water on some level
  by John at 3/31/2011 7:28:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:28:49 PM" ) )1:28 PM
• @John @Jo I recall that at the time sthere was some NHK footage of a flyby right after the tsunami. Don't know if that's still out there anywhere.
  by es at 3/31/2011 7:28:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:28:38 PM" ) )1:28 PM
• sorry a glich with opening ireport. Please try, cnn.com ,at home page select Open Story:Japan Earthquake. thank you
  by MaryW at 3/31/2011 7:28:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:28:14 PM" ) )1:28 PM
• @elainekirk Don't need that. FB no thanks. I go there and I feel like I'm in a noisy bar. They can have it, I'm too busy for that.
  by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 7:27:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:27:25 PM" ) )1:27 PM
• @jim my thought was that put the completed 'guide' on someones fbook and invite input that way you know if people coming to it 'blind' are understanding it and any further info they would like
  by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 7:25:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:25:30 PM" ) )1:25 PM
• @elainekirk: but I may be wrong...
  by Jo Lindien at 3/31/2011 7:25:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:25:16 PM" ) )1:25 PM
• @elainekirk: there's something I don't feel comfortable with about this...
  by Jo Lindien at 3/31/2011 7:25:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:25:00 PM" ) )1:25 PM
• Since nobody said...
  by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 7:24:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:24:58 PM" ) )1:24 PM
• @JMV I seem to remember hearing the wave was 14 meters high.
  by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 7:24:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:24:48 PM" ) )1:24 PM
• @elainekirk Yep. Well since somebody said it stinks..I'll finish it and put it up. I'm going to try get one done every day or two. My background is in geology and geography, minor in Physics, so this event was really up my alley.
  by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 7:24:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:24:40 PM" ) )1:24 PM
• @Jo Lindien To late for that, after explossions there is so much damage that we cant tell what was from tsunami and what from explosion...
  by John at 3/31/2011 7:24:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:24:37 PM" ) )1:24 PM
• @elainekirk Thats a now old NOAA prediction of wave height from the tsunami caused by the earthquake.
  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 7:24:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:24:16 PM" ) )1:24 PM
• We are not alone when it comes to people wanting information: www.trust.org
  by Debra Beckham at 3/31/2011 7:24:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:24:06 PM" ) )1:24 PM
• What was the actual height of the wave that struck the Fukushima plant?
  by JMV at 3/31/2011 7:23:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:23:33 PM" ) )1:23 PM
• @fitter There has been speculation about nationalization of Tepco in media outlets, just speculation though.
  by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 7:23:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:23:09 PM" ) )1:23 PM
• @jo that is an interesting question
  by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 7:22:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:22:41 PM" ) )1:22 PM
• @Jim Probably need one other person to do a read through and adjust the handful of errata (a few typos, a few missing words), then maybe bold out section headings -- Ionizing Radiation -- Units -- Metric System, etc. Otherwise it reads fine.
  by Markfm at 3/31/2011 7:22:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:22:21 PM" ) )1:22 PM
• @kgriff surely weather, earthquakes etc are going to influence any spread? so wouldn't a general prediction just lead to panic/complacency?
  by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 7:22:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:22:10 PM" ) )1:22 PM
• @all: did anyone made any research about the tsunami impact at the plant ?
  by Jo Lindien at 3/31/2011 7:21:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:21:48 PM" ) )1:21 PM
• "New approach to telling the story of a news event". ireport.cnn.com!.jspa?openStoryID=569508&hpt=T2#DOC-580952 Please forgive me if this already has been posted.
  by MaryW at 3/31/2011 7:21:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:21:44 PM" ) )1:21 PM
• @Bobby1 just runing through .. Agree has anyone seen info regarding gov't just taking over... why or why they have not?
  by fitter at 3/31/2011 7:21:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:21:34 PM" ) )1:21 PM
• @hudebnik: #3 containment vessel has breached on 20 Mar and is since 21 Mar exactly at atmospheric pressure: no great variation around .1075 MPa; I'm convinced we can explain the variations by comparing with meteo data
  by Jo Lindien at 3/31/2011 7:21:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:21:00 PM" ) )1:21 PM
• hello Jo Lindien..WB
  by Optim at 3/31/2011 7:20:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:20:49 PM" ) )1:20 PM
• 

  found another one upload.wikimedia.org

  by kgriff via Upload.wikimedia.org at 3/31/2011 7:20:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:20:03 PM" ) )1:20 PM
• @kgriff It's just for organizing so we can put out a better product is all.
  by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 7:19:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:19:50 PM" ) )1:19 PM
• @jim What we need is to trial it on people and see what responses we get do you think ? I am better informed by it :)
  by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 7:19:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:19:38 PM" ) )1:19 PM
• @kgriff Yeah, that was the tsunami model that predicted heights across the pacific.
  by Jay77 at 3/31/2011 7:19:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:19:03 PM" ) )1:19 PM
• Hi @Jo Lindien, welcome back.
  by Salvador at 3/31/2011 7:18:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:18:35 PM" ) )1:18 PM
• Appeal to International NGOs by THe Japan Platform (please click on LOWER document link) www.reliefweb.int 1. Currently we are observing an unusually prolonged emergency & semi-emergency period. 2.）In Japan, humanitarian & welfare activities are largely coordinated by the Prefectural Social Welfare Councils (SWC), as well as Municipality SWCs at city/ward/town/village. After a large disaster, a local SWC is supposed to establish a Disaster Volunteer Center (DVC) at Prefecture and Municipality levels many city/ward/town/village SWCs could not, due to their multilayer damages. Under this situation, a large number of individual volunteers are still requested to wait. Japan Platform Organizational Chart www.japanplatform.org
  by Pat at 3/31/2011 7:18:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:18:06 PM" ) )1:18 PM
• hi again everybody
  by Jo Lindien at 3/31/2011 7:17:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:17:33 PM" ) )1:17 PM
• @elainekirk thanks for moderating and being kind to peoples' comments/discussions
  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 7:16:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:16:18 PM" ) )1:16 PM
• @ifz Thanks...appreciate the link to the pictures.
  by James Ward at 3/31/2011 7:16:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:16:10 PM" ) )1:16 PM
• Article about most recent radiation findings, some video, slides and an interactive time line map. www.msnbc.msn.com
  by Linda at 3/31/2011 7:15:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:15:51 PM" ) )1:15 PM
• excuse me - NOAA
  by Tenzing at 3/31/2011 7:15:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:15:14 PM" ) )1:15 PM
• I found that on a crazy blog, now I'm trying to find it on NOOA
  by Tenzing at 3/31/2011 7:14:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:14:31 PM" ) )1:14 PM
• @Jim Carver Yea, I don't think anyone quite understands what the other one is for but it comes up from time to time...
  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 7:14:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:14:18 PM" ) )1:14 PM

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• @Tenzing..Picture looks like bad news for hawaii. Hawaii did face significant damage right?
  by Optim at 3/31/2011 7:13:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:13:31 PM" ) )1:13 PM
• Oh come on guys. We're all on the same ship.
  by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 7:13:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:13:02 PM" ) )1:13 PM
• @Tenzing is that wave height?
  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 7:12:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:12:55 PM" ) )1:12 PM
• www.scribblelive.com is the one you were working on the FAQ for.
  by Markfm at 3/31/2011 7:12:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:12:44 PM" ) )1:12 PM
• @VeenOui Good morning!
  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 7:11:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:11:59 PM" ) )1:11 PM
• I thought that was a work product for the other area, the action Scribble one.
  by Markfm at 3/31/2011 7:11:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:11:57 PM" ) )1:11 PM
• @Markfm ?
  by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 7:11:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:11:21 PM" ) )1:11 PM
• @Markfm I tried the Good Morning route.no one replied......morning :-)
  by VeenOui at 3/31/2011 7:11:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:11:18 PM" ) )1:11 PM
• This is that old," There's a hole in the bucket" song. But, it's a catch-22 of unthinkable proportions.
  by Scilla at 3/31/2011 7:11:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:11:13 PM" ) )1:11 PM
• 
  by Tenzing via 3.bp.blogspot at 3/31/2011 7:11:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:11:04 PM" ) )1:11 PM
• @Jim Carver I would explain the difference between radiological contamination and one time exposure such as an x-ray. For radiological contamination, its important to explain how isotopes can incorporate themselves into living organisms.
  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 7:11:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:11:03 PM" ) )1:11 PM
• @Jim -- Wrong forum :)
  by Markfm at 3/31/2011 7:09:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:09:41 PM" ) )1:09 PM
• @spanish_reader the hires images are viewable at fukushima.wikispaces.com
  by ifz at 3/31/2011 7:08:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:08:26 PM" ) )1:08 PM
• @optim The tree discussion has been saved and is still there if anything new comes up i.e. if tepco use it as an example that radiation isn't damaging them
  by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 7:08:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:08:14 PM" ) )1:08 PM
• Here’s the first draft of the radiation FAQ. Comments and/or critiques anyone? Keep in mind it’s first draft and haven’t run spell check, etc. More detail? Less? No, can’t have less. This barely covers the subject.
  /jim/japan/Understandingradiation/draft0.doc
  
  Understanding Radiation
  by Jim Carver
  
  Understanding radiation is important in our study of the after effects of The Fukushima Dai-ichi Disaster that began on Mar. 11, 2011. There are basically two main types of radiation, ionizing radiation and non-ionizing. NASA defines the two types as follows:
  
  “Ionizing radiation is radiation with sufficient energy to remove electrons from the orbits of atoms resulting in charged particles, and it is this type of radiation that is evaluated for purposes of radiation protection. Examples of ionizing radiation include gamma rays, protons, and neutrons. Ionizing radiation is different from ion formation that occurs in ordinary chemical reactions, such as the generation of table salt from sodium and chlorine. In such a reaction, only the outermost electron is removed to form a positively charged ion. With ionizing radiation, if the energy is sufficient, electrons other than those in the outermost orbits can be released; this process renders the atom very unstable, and these ions are very chemically reactive.
  Non-ionizing radiation is radiation without sufficient energy to remove electrons from their orbits. Examples are microwaves, radio waves, and visible light."
  srag-nt.jsc.nasa.gov
  Other examples of radiation include alpha-rays or particles, which are accelerated helium nuclei, and beta-rays, high speed electrons.
  
  <A disscussion of alpha, beta and gamma particles/rays will be placed here>
  
  The ionizing effects of radiation can due considerable damage to human tissue depending upon the intensity and length of exposure. It is interesting to note that while ionization of atoms within the molecules in living tissue create free radicals or ions which may lead to cancerous cells, radiation is also used in the medical field to kill cancerous cells. Research has shown that cancerous cells are somewhat less resistant to radiation than normal cells. [citation needed]
  
  Source intensity is based on the amount of atomic nuclei emitting a high energy particle or in the case of gamma rays, a photon. Bequerels (Bq) and Curies (Ci) are the most common measurements.
  
  1 ray emitted in 1 second = 1 Bq
  
  Bq’s have to have a volume or a mass so we know how much material is involved. To say that there are 1 000 000 Bq is meaningless since there is not a quantity specified. But, a reading of 1 000 000 Bq/cm3 , does have meaning, because we know that 1 million particles (I’ll just use particles, but you know, could be photon) are emitted every second for each cubic centimeter of material. Do be careful when interpreting the readings in terms of the quantity. They might be in cubic centimeters (cm3) or Kilograms (Kg), note that the former is volume and the latter is mass. One could say that there are 1000 cm3 of water in one Kg, so the cubic centimeter is 1000 less than the kilogram. WRONG! In reality, if we are dealing with a soil sample, which has a specific gravity (SG) of around 2.65, which is 2.65 times the weight of water, we need to multiply 2.65 x 1000 to get the equivalent intensity compared to our cubic centimeter of water, or (cc) if you like. Note that volcanic soils, such as those found on the Island of Japan, have a larger amount of Iron (Fe) and Magnesium (Mg), making them normally heavier than continental crust. The SG will be higher. [value needed]It is therefore very important to convert units very carefully for comparison purposes
  
  Before I talk about Curies (Ci), I would like to review some metric definitions:
  
  The Metric System
  
  The Metric System of measurement is the standard used by most scientific disciplines. The system is based upon measures of distance (in meters), volume (in liters), and mass (in grams). Scales of measurements increase or decrease as multiples of ten which facilitates expression of measurement values using the decimal system. The table below shows the most common prefixes and their relative magnitudes. Note that web browsers do not support use of superscripts and subscripts very well, so the notation 10^2 means "10 to the power of 2, or 10 squared". Similarly, the notation 10-2 should be read as "10 to the power of -2".
  
  Prefix Scientific Notation Decimal equivalents Example Units
  tera- (T) = 10^12 1000000000000 terabyte
  giga- (G) = 10^9 1000000000 gigabyte
  mega- (M) = 10^6 1000000 megabyte (mb)
  kilo- (K) = 10^3 = 1000 kilogram (kg);
  kilometer (km)
  centi- (c) = 10-2 = 0.01 centimeter (cm)
  milli- (m) = 10-3 = 0.001 milligram (mg);
  millimeter (mm)
  micro- (u) = 10-6 = 0.000001 microgram (ug)
  microliter (uL)
  nano- (n) = 10-9 = 0.000000001 nanogram (ng)
  nanoamperes (nA)
  pico- (p) = 10-12 = 0.000000000001 picogram (pg)
  picoamperes (pA)
  
  abacus.bates.edu adapted by author
  
  Marie Curie was a very brave, pioneering scientist in the study of radioactive elements and compounds, mainly dealing with Radium. She gave her life in the pursuit of science and the Curie (Ci) is named in her honor.
  
  1 Ci = 3.7×1010 decays per second or Becquerels = 37GBq
  
  Note that a Ci is a large amount of radiation and micro Curies (uCi) are often used.
  The Bq is the SI unit and used more often throughout the world, even in the United States. [citation] u=Greek letter mu, meaning micro-
  
  Units used to Define Biological Effects
  
  “The sievert (symbol: Sv) is the SI derived unit of dose equivalent radiation. It attempts to quantitatively evaluate the biological effects of ionizing radiation as opposed to the physical aspects, which are characterised by the absorbed dose, measured in gray. It is named after Rolf Sievert, a Swedish medical physicist renowned for work on radiation dosage measurement and research into the biological effects of radiation.”
  
  “The unit gray measures absorbed radiation which is absorbed into any material. The unit sievert specifically measures absorbed radiation which is absorbed by a person. The equivalent dose to a person is found by multiplying the absorbed dose, in gray, by a weighting factor (w). The weighting factor (sometimes referred to as a quality factor) is determined by a combination of: the radiation type, the tissue absorbing the radiation, and other pertinent factors.[1]
  In terms of SI base units:
  1 Sv = 1 Gy • w (where Sv=sievert, Gy=gray, w=weighting factor specific to each type of radiation and tissue).
  
  
  1 Gy = 1 J / kg of absorbing material
  therefore:
  1 Sv = 1 J / kg of absorbing material • w
  
  Except from: en.wikipedia.org
  
  [conclusion]
  
  
  
  
  by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 7:08:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:08:01 PM" ) )1:08 PM
• moving on...there were reports of french nuclear engineers going to Japan to assist. Any word if they are already supervising the situation in Daiichi ground 0?
  by Optim at 3/31/2011 7:07:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:07:52 PM" ) )1:07 PM
• Those must be simple structural items. Otherwise they would be emitting large amounts of radioactivity, pretty much nobody would be working in that whole area. Pretty sure this question was asked, answered, at least two days ago (possibly longer).
  by Markfm at 3/31/2011 7:07:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:07:15 PM" ) )1:07 PM
• @all the trees issue came up because it's just an indicator of radioactivity levels right outside reactor. Those are the only living things that we can monitor currently...
  by Optim at 3/31/2011 7:06:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:06:30 PM" ) )1:06 PM
• @bobby reuters have done a very good analysis here of just how impotent other agencies are with regard to tepco www.reuters.com
  by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 7:06:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:06:26 PM" ) )1:06 PM
• @hudebnik Agreed. Does anyone have any other info, besides the aerial photos with unidentifiable debris, that would suggest that spent fuel rods or reactor rods would have been ejected? If they were laying around dry for a couple of weeks, what other signs would you expect to see?
  by Jay77 at 3/31/2011 7:05:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:05:34 PM" ) )1:05 PM
• @Rucco Thanks.
  by spanish_reader at 3/31/2011 7:05:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:05:30 PM" ) )1:05 PM
• @Salvador My concern is that Tepco is incompetent and has bungled the operation from the beginning. Why is the fate of millions or billions being left to Tepco? Isn't there somebody who knows what they are doing?
  by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 7:05:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:05:16 PM" ) )1:05 PM
• @spanish_reader, I think it was this one: cryptome.org .
  by Rucco at 3/31/2011 7:05:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:05:07 PM" ) )1:05 PM
• @hudebnik IAEA, NISA, JAIF are using data given to them by TEPCO. TEPCO has stated so many things about the Fukushima nuclear facility that have been proven to be incorrect that it's very difficult to believe anything they report to anybody. So, NO, it's NOT going off-topic to explore ANY subject having to do with the reactors at Fukushima.
  by James Ward at 3/31/2011 7:03:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:03:17 PM" ) )1:03 PM
• Links (including high res photos, reactor data diagrams,...) fukushimafaq.wikispaces.com (again, editable to add new material)
  by Markfm at 3/31/2011 7:03:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:03:11 PM" ) )1:03 PM
• Where is this file of hi-res shots that radioguy is talking about?
  by spanish_reader at 3/31/2011 7:02:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:02:30 PM" ) )1:02 PM
• WFT is with water levels, there is no change... all 3 reactors must be leaking water to turbine...
  by John at 3/31/2011 7:02:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:02:27 PM" ) )1:02 PM
• Good Morning everyone......I just read the 10.000x groundwater detection now..... anything else new ?
  by VeenOui at 3/31/2011 7:02:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:02:00 PM" ) )1:02 PM
• @all Please remember that we are talking about Tepco, a private company notorious for lying and faking maintenance and incident reports, NISA a government org that is part of the japanese trade ministry, which has the very clear mission to promote nuclear power- and a japanese government that has to avoid panic in Tokyo and keep the country running. Why should we believe their uncheckable claims about reactor pressure or radiation on site? I don't say they're lying all the time on all topics, but they censor the information they give and I think they will ly if it is "necessary" in their view.
  by Salvador at 3/31/2011 7:00:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:00:53 PM" ) )1:00 PM
• UN OCHA Hmanitarian Situation Report full pdf document LINK on this page www.reliefweb.int Last situation report to be issued TODAY????
  by Pat at 3/31/2011 7:00:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 7:00:40 PM" ) )1:00 PM
• A quick dropin to say: Anyone analyzing aerial shots (like the fuel rod question) there's a zip of HI-res versions of those same images. FAR far better than what you're looking at there. I'm out, but someone can point yuo to them.
  by radioguy at 3/31/2011 6:58:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:58:46 PM" ) )12:58 PM
• Japan earthquake and tsunami: latest pictures www.telegraph.co.uk
  by George Gibb at 3/31/2011 6:58:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:58:22 PM" ) )12:58 PM
• @kgriff I'll try to contain myself
  by corium at 3/31/2011 6:57:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:57:23 PM" ) )12:57 PM
• @kgriff lulz
  by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 6:56:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:56:13 PM" ) )12:56 PM
• Reactor data diagrams: www.ic.unicamp.br
  by John at 3/31/2011 6:55:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:55:28 PM" ) )12:55 PM
• 
  by NHK Listener via I53.tinypic at 3/31/2011 6:55:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:55:12 PM" ) )12:55 PM
• 

  This is a fuel rod section that is smaller than the ones in daiichi. Height I think is the same but the diameter is smaller i51.tinypic.com

  by NHK Listener via I51.tinypic at 3/31/2011 6:55:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:55:09 PM" ) )12:55 PM
• Forgive me but we're getting well off the topic here. Re flying fuel rods, containment caps etc isn't the info from IAEA, NISA and JAIF reasonably consistent that reactors 1 and 3 still have intact containments (holding pressure) while reactor 2 has a leak (no pressure) probably in the torus area and a relatively intact building. So if the containments are intact how could items be flying around from the reactor?
  by hudebnik at 3/31/2011 6:54:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:54:35 PM" ) )12:54 PM
• @Sky I agree! That's why it's so important they shut this thing down soon...before it gets to that point. Amounts are trivial outside of Japan now but that trend might not continue.
  by LM at 3/31/2011 6:53:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:53:48 PM" ) )12:53 PM
• @Sky The Union of Concerned Scientists blog on March 27 stated that the rate of cesium deposition has increased. If the US food supply is affected, how can it feed Japan? allthingsnuclear.org
  by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 6:53:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:53:10 PM" ) )12:53 PM
• @James Ward Then most, yes. I have a few I go to that are better or on a par. I won't say where, then the hoards would show. That's why I asked the other day if we could not link this site elsewhere.
  by d_news at 3/31/2011 6:52:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:52:39 PM" ) )12:52 PM
• @corium remember to stay indoors, drink plenty of water, and not get overheated!
  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 6:52:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:52:00 PM" ) )12:52 PM
• Man arrested after breaking into Fukushima Daini plant premises english.kyodonews.jp
  by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 6:51:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:51:36 PM" ) )12:51 PM
• @Markfm I' was just starting to wonder if its possible for nets to be dropped to create a sea-life quarantine for 20-30km around the site... Then the plankton issue comes up - no net fine enough for that... That is a big, big deal.
  by Jay77 at 3/31/2011 6:51:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:51:09 PM" ) )12:51 PM
• I am quite concerned about radioactive cesium contaminating soils in some of the most productive agricultural regions in the world and putting additional stress on world food supply which is already at just-in-time levels with little stored food or below. I am so concerned about this that it's difficult to raise the topic. The stupid fake trees issue is practically irrelevant.
  by Sky at 3/31/2011 6:50:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:50:51 PM" ) )12:50 PM

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• News links at wiki: fukushimafaq.wikispaces.com (others can add more links)
  by Markfm at 3/31/2011 6:49:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:49:27 PM" ) )12:49 PM
• Japan Disaster: 11,417 dead 16,273 missing www.nytimes.com
  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 6:47:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:47:58 PM" ) )12:47 PM
• 

  i.imgur.com
  found that on www.physicsforums.com
  are those really fuel rods?

  by ifz via I.imgur at 3/31/2011 6:47:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:47:48 PM" ) )12:47 PM
• @d_news @Jim Carver I'd be willing to bet that this is much better than most forums discussing this issue. There's a lot more crap to weed through on those sites than there is here.
  by James Ward at 3/31/2011 6:47:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:47:45 PM" ) )12:47 PM
• Latimes article mentioned that some environmentalists are questioning potential plankton uptake of radioactive material getting into the food chain. Short half-life Iodine is not a big concern, but rather Cesium.
  by Markfm at 3/31/2011 6:47:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:47:17 PM" ) )12:47 PM
• Reuters - Q+A: What is going on at Japan's damaged nuclear reactor? www.reuters.com
  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 6:46:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:46:14 PM" ) )12:46 PM
• New York Times article about increasing radiation at site: www.nytimes.com
  by Christine at 3/31/2011 6:45:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:45:25 PM" ) )12:45 PM
• note differences between radiological contamination and other types of exposure. en.wikipedia.org
  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 6:45:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:45:13 PM" ) )12:45 PM
• Radioactive contamination of the sea from Fukushima is likely to be only a local problem, but could lead to an exclusion zone if there is a major release of long-term pollutants, scientists say.
  www.physorg.com
  by Reed at 3/31/2011 6:45:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:45:02 PM" ) )12:45 PM
• 

  yellow, orange, red, purple = bad upload.wikimedia.org

  by kgriff via Upload.wikimedia.org at 3/31/2011 6:43:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:43:27 PM" ) )12:43 PM
• What people aren't talking about is the ramifications of a sustained high release of radiation and it's effects on US food supply...especially here on the west coast. All reports assume immediate resolution of the crisis but cesium sticks around a long time and can continue to build up over a sustained period. Hopefully that won't happen.
  by LM at 3/31/2011 6:42:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:42:44 PM" ) )12:42 PM
• hmm didn't take try original link to pdf map www.reliefweb.int
  by Pat at 3/31/2011 6:41:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:41:38 PM" ) )12:41 PM
• Fake trees are part of the skyline around some of the metropolitan areas I've driven past. There are fake palms in L.A. alongside the freeway with cellular antennas on them. Fake pine trees on the mountain ridges attempting to conceal cellular antennas. Even fast food and gasoline billboards on those giant tall signs next to the freeway often host cellular antennas. These are all blatantly obvious to anyone who is paying attention. So, sure it is possible. After all, in which country do you suppose silk flowers and silk ficus plants that you see at the dentist's office invented?
  by Sky at 3/31/2011 6:41:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:41:23 PM" ) )12:41 PM
• MIT's Introduction to Radiation Health Effects and Radiation Status at Fukushima mitnse.com
  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 6:40:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:40:51 PM" ) )12:40 PM
• Ditto @Maureen
  by Optim at 3/31/2011 6:40:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:40:13 PM" ) )12:40 PM
• Another evacution map, pop. density, some topo and sea level, estimating 1.9 million people in the 80 K/ 50 mile area www.reliefweb.int$File/map.pdf?OpenElement
  by Pat at 3/31/2011 6:40:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:40:11 PM" ) )12:40 PM
• @Sky , @nancy: possible but not probable . At least, that's what I feel.
  by Optim at 3/31/2011 6:39:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:39:33 PM" ) )12:39 PM
• @Nancy I completely agree. They assume we're all ignorant.
  by LM at 3/31/2011 6:38:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:38:24 PM" ) )12:38 PM
• I have seen the fake tree thing on other industrial sites so not totally out of the question.
  by Nancy at 3/31/2011 6:38:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:38:08 PM" ) )12:38 PM
• @LM, the "just like a plane ride" is another lame catch phrase that has popped up. I think even the general public is tired of hearing it.
  by Nancy at 3/31/2011 6:37:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:37:11 PM" ) )12:37 PM
• @ Optim@Sky If you read the article I posted you can see that the reasons for a fake forest are environmental- not cover-up related.
  by Maureen Burke at 3/31/2011 6:36:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:36:33 PM" ) )12:36 PM
• @Sky: Do you think Tepco would plant fake trees? Do you think they go to that extent for the sake of cover-up?
  by Optim at 3/31/2011 6:34:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:34:02 PM" ) )12:34 PM
• An interesting read on water in Japan. Surface water intake consists of 72% intake. For those interested www.mhlw.go.jp
  by d_news at 3/31/2011 6:32:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:32:37 PM" ) )12:32 PM
• So-called 'expert' on CNN comparing drinking a pint of US milk to a 5 hour plane ride. Is taking a 5 hr plane ride every day good for your health? These comparisons are ridiculous and not credible, especially if they're meant to assuage fears. I certainly hope his analogy isn't correct!
  by LM at 3/31/2011 6:29:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:29:33 PM" ) )12:29 PM
• Have to come back home... thanks to everyone for all those pics and sharing ideas. Will come back later with my 'Jo l'indien' login.
  by Jocelyn Mayer at 3/31/2011 6:28:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:28:25 PM" ) )12:28 PM
• @John: this is not the reactor head. Please stay consistant with facts: the object you show is at the building corner while the reactor is at the center. And we have an evidence that the containment vessel, around the reactor, has not been leaking _before_ the 20 Mar. And we also have evidences that the reactor head is still in place as the reactor pressure is not the atmospheric one as it would be if its head was not there. You can't go against physical laws... The red object you show is likely to be some equipment from the building, maybe a pump or anything else
  by Jocelyn Mayer at 3/31/2011 6:24:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:24:53 PM" ) )12:24 PM
• The hi resolution photos don't include enough vegetation to form any judgments about whether the trees are fake IMO.
  by Sky at 3/31/2011 6:24:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:24:09 PM" ) )12:24 PM
• www.physorg.com Please don't dismiss the possibility that the trees are fake. We are talking about a power plant that took the time to paint their reactors with pretty clouds and blue skies. Some info on fake tree forests in this link...
  by Maureen Burke at 3/31/2011 6:22:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:22:30 PM" ) )12:22 PM
• In other words it becomes diluted to the point that criticality is no longer possible. A natural mechanism for the radiation to eventually subside.
  by Sky at 3/31/2011 6:22:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:22:23 PM" ) )12:22 PM
• @corium LOL
  by radioguy at 3/31/2011 6:22:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:22:10 PM" ) )12:22 PM
• I'm alive!
  by corium at 3/31/2011 6:21:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:21:53 PM" ) )12:21 PM
• 

  Larger image www.houseoffoust.com

  by Nancy via Houseoffoust at 3/31/2011 6:20:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:20:42 PM" ) )12:20 PM
• I found Dean's comment last night somewhat comforting, that it is thought that as the corium melts down and dissolves/melts adjacent materials, it gradually becomes less and less radioactive due to higher content of dissolved solids that are non radioactive.
  by Sky at 3/31/2011 6:20:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:20:38 PM" ) )12:20 PM
• 

  @Martin, the yellow object in #4 is the removed containment cap. www.houseoffoust.com

  by Nancy via Houseoffoust at 3/31/2011 6:20:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:20:08 PM" ) )12:20 PM
• RPV that is
  by vasra at 3/31/2011 6:18:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:18:04 PM" ) )12:18 PM
• @Martin Yellow roundish dome is RPC aka PCV
  by vasra at 3/31/2011 6:17:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:17:59 PM" ) )12:17 PM
• Can anyone tell, what are these yellow thinks visible in the reactor buildings, most visible on #4 in the corner. Is it the RPV ?
  by Martin at 3/31/2011 6:17:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:17:11 PM" ) )12:17 PM
• @nhk listener it was the how to download video convo that went as I felt it wouldntt be something people would search for . Your rain remains
  by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 6:16:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:16:20 PM" ) )12:16 PM
• @kgriff the measurements were 180 Bq/cm^3 for Iodine-131 (that's the 4385 times max reg limit)
  by vasra at 3/31/2011 6:13:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:13:48 PM" ) )12:13 PM
• @NHK Listener I still see your comment about the rain down below. Maybe there was a duplicate?
  by Jay77 at 3/31/2011 6:10:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:10:20 PM" ) )12:10 PM
• One issue with things like this "Radioactivity levels in the ocean 4,385 times above regulatory limit", what is the regulatory limit? www.dailymail.co.uk
  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 6:09:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:09:24 PM" ) )12:09 PM
• And I'm off. My GF thinks I'm having an affair or something. ;)
  by radioguy at 3/31/2011 6:08:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:08:38 PM" ) )12:08 PM
• @elainekirk I pointed out that Ground water can be contaminated by rain over the course of a few weeks.. It is a simple explanation for ground water contamination.. Deleting it just leaves conspiracy that the reactor is melting through the earths crust and to the center of the earth..
  by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 6:07:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:07:23 PM" ) )12:07 PM
• Oh, it's 9.4 MB, just so you know.
  by radioguy at 3/31/2011 6:06:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:06:56 PM" ) )12:06 PM
• We're still waiting for this image upscale to be posted on the Picasa site, so I shared it on my Google docs so anyone with the link can get it. Here's the link docs.google.com
  by radioguy at 3/31/2011 6:06:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:06:31 PM" ) )12:06 PM

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• It's annoying to see TEPCO act bewildered that somehow water magically started leaking when everyone knows how much water is applied.
  by Miles at 3/31/2011 6:06:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:06:26 PM" ) )12:06 PM
• @Jay77 You make a valid point about the water pumped in being the source of the radiation in the groundwater. thanks.
  by Meretisa at 3/31/2011 6:05:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:05:46 PM" ) )12:05 PM
• NHK listener chat is deleted after a few mins as it moves down the board but I hope I don't take anything non-chat off . Please say if you think I have deleted any links or observations/input
  by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 6:04:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:04:57 PM" ) )12:04 PM
• @Matsuoko @Meretisa I don't know if it has to mean that corium itself has reached groundwater. I'm thinking it just means that this 200tons/day of highly radioactive water they are continually producing has started seeping into the groundwater.
  Also, there have been a lot of studies done about what happens when corium contacts water, and it has to do with how much and how fast. It takes a lot quickly to create a hydrogen explosion- otherwise it just creates more toxic gas.
  by Jay77 at 3/31/2011 6:04:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:04:38 PM" ) )12:04 PM
• Here's the pertinent info on corium melting through the basement... www.iaea.org
  by Miles at 3/31/2011 6:03:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:03:38 PM" ) )12:03 PM
• Is it just me or is all the discussion getting trashed?
  by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 6:03:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:03:09 PM" ) )12:03 PM
• here is the recorded video from reactor 4 www.ustream.tv
  by me at 3/31/2011 6:02:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:02:41 PM" ) )12:02 PM
• Japan finds radiation in beef : www.heraldsun.com.au
  by Stormy at 3/31/2011 6:01:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 6:01:06 PM" ) )12:01 PM
• @John- thanks. just wonderful images. very much easier to identify things now. THANKS. @MODERATOR- please sticky this source so we can all look at it and add to wiki thingy. Thanks.
  by Meretisa at 3/31/2011 5:59:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:59:20 PM" ) )11:59 AM
• @John thank you for that and nice work on that montage!
  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 5:58:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:58:31 PM" ) )11:58 AM
• @Meretisa Yes it would.
  by radioguy at 3/31/2011 5:58:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:58:01 PM" ) )11:58 AM
• @kgriff reactor 3
  by John at 3/31/2011 5:57:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:57:55 PM" ) )11:57 AM
• 

  @John what reactor is this? images.scribblelive.com

  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 5:57:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:57:28 PM" ) )11:57 AM
• @radioguy if the level in the groundwater is 10000x normal and water out to sea is 3000x normal (about)... wouldn't it explain their inability to find the source of the "leak" if it IS corium in the aquifier?? Just a thought.
  by Meretisa at 3/31/2011 5:57:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:57:14 PM" ) )11:57 AM
• @radioguy : in Japan ?
  by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 5:56:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:56:44 PM" ) )11:56 AM
• Besides, I know the general water flow is to the sea there, I lived by the shore for a while with a groundwater well, and it had traces of salt in it.
  by radioguy at 3/31/2011 5:55:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:55:45 PM" ) )11:55 AM
• @Molly very sad indeed... but we knew this was a probable outcome when this began. :( very sad though.
  by Meretisa at 3/31/2011 5:55:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:55:36 PM" ) )11:55 AM
• Heroic Fukushima Workers Believe They Will Die "Within Weeks": bit.ly
  by Molly at 3/31/2011 5:54:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:54:02 PM" ) )11:54 AM
• Today's many TEPCO press notices! www.tepco.co.jp
  by es at 3/31/2011 5:53:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:53:55 PM" ) )11:53 AM
• @Matsuoko Pretty sure it could reach groundwater just due to rain over a few weeks
  by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 5:53:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:53:46 PM" ) )11:53 AM
• @Matsuoko you'd have to ask Dean... he knows more about corium stuff. I think it may be so, but I don't know for sure. I know there are different kinds of corium and that some don't explode in water, but still emit radiation. I don't know.
  by Meretisa at 3/31/2011 5:53:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:53:43 PM" ) )11:53 AM
• cryptome.org on the second photo, crane is visible better :)
  by Martin at 3/31/2011 5:53:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:53:04 PM" ) )11:53 AM
• @All- regarding "groundwater" does this infer that it may have reached the aquifier??
  by Meretisa at 3/31/2011 5:52:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:52:40 PM" ) )11:52 AM
• doesn't that mean: it melts through ???
  by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 5:52:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:52:33 PM" ) )11:52 AM
• got numorous sources confirming "groundwater". ( i mean the real tap ground water.)
  by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 5:51:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:51:20 PM" ) )11:51 AM
• @Canadian That's it. Yes.
  by es at 3/31/2011 5:48:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:48:52 PM" ) )11:48 AM
• @Canadian Yes.
  by radioguy at 3/31/2011 5:48:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:48:11 PM" ) )11:48 AM
• 

  Hopefully this works, rust object and crane imgs:
  i140.photobucket.com
  i140.photobucket.com

  by Canadian via I140.photobucket at 3/31/2011 5:47:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:47:16 PM" ) )11:47 AM
• 

  Hopefully this works, rust object and crane imgs:
  i140.photobucket.com
  i140.photobucket.com

  by Canadian via I140.photobucket at 3/31/2011 5:47:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:47:16 PM" ) )11:47 AM
• @wtm Not since those first, though there must be some.
  by radioguy at 3/31/2011 5:47:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:47:00 PM" ) )11:47 AM
• We run multiple fire walls and fairly decent security and anti-virus here and have not detected anything amiss. But I am only mucking with media photos.
  by Nancy at 3/31/2011 5:46:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:46:43 PM" ) )11:46 AM
• Has anyone found any recent IR photos of the plant ??
  by wtm at 3/31/2011 5:46:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:46:23 PM" ) )11:46 AM
• @Markfm That is a good reference. If it is a good firewall it will also record unwanted access.
  by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 5:45:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:45:39 PM" ) )11:45 AM
• One of the close up crops I posted about 9am cst here had detail of that. But I can see how you would come to the conclusion you did on the shot you posted.
  by Nancy at 3/31/2011 5:45:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:45:28 PM" ) )11:45 AM
• @ John, not the reactor lid. That is some draped pieces of red steel.
  by Nancy at 3/31/2011 5:44:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:44:51 PM" ) )11:44 AM
• I am just going to delete some old chat
  by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 5:41:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:41:39 PM" ) )11:41 AM
• @Nancy orginal photo is: aerial-2011-3-30-0-20-11.jpg My photo can be downloaded from imageshack
  by John at 3/31/2011 5:40:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:40:20 PM" ) )11:40 AM
• now it has gone ! BS !!!! anyone can upload a copy ?
  by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 5:40:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:40:19 PM" ) )11:40 AM
• Hey, Nancy. I uploaded the 6000px blowup i did of the wide shot from the 24th to the Picasa site, but I haven't seen PK. You want me to email you a copy too? It's about 9.4 MB
  by radioguy at 3/31/2011 5:40:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:40:16 PM" ) )11:40 AM
• @wtm -- I mentioned likely to do a vent under cover of darkness yesterday -- I expect you are right. It both keeps live cameras off and minimizes potential worker exposure.
  by Markfm at 3/31/2011 5:38:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:38:40 PM" ) )11:38 AM
• @john it is intriguing I think it went down the thread quite quickly and people may have missed it, are you sending copies to Patrick PKnuclear@gmail.com
  by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 5:38:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:38:07 PM" ) )11:38 AM
• @ifz : i see what you mean. the shape is like a body.
  by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 5:37:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:37:36 PM" ) )11:37 AM
• @WolfDK Right. I'm not advertising for a particular one. I just like that one though because it lets you transcode on the fly.
  by radioguy at 3/31/2011 5:37:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:37:02 PM" ) )11:37 AM
• it seems that vlc is able to record online streams
  by me at 3/31/2011 5:36:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:36:47 PM" ) )11:36 AM
• @wtm Agree about the nocurnal activity.
  by es at 3/31/2011 5:36:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:36:41 PM" ) )11:36 AM

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• did i see two dead workers in yellow rad suits in that last video? maybe just debris.. my nerves..
  by ifz at 3/31/2011 5:35:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:35:51 PM" ) )11:35 AM
• @Pedro Jesus - Not all pieces would have been painted in the same mannor. High vibration won't do anything to powder coated pieces, but paint does not flex like steel and comes off in huge chunks
  by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 5:30:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:30:57 PM" ) )11:30 AM
• yeh its on the crane.
  by Dave at 3/31/2011 5:30:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:30:43 PM" ) )11:30 AM
• @Matsuoko recording ustream is difficult according to a quick google search, your best bet on short notice is probably to record it with video camera/video on digital camera off your screen.
  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 5:30:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:30:41 PM" ) )11:30 AM
• I have been watching the pressures on #1 reactor, and have noticed that it suddenly dropped pressure overnight after steady buildup yesterday. It is still high but is lower than earlier. Then I noticed that they had a spike in the radioactivity at the plant. I think they are venting that reactor at night when nobody can see anything on the cameras. Also read one of the articles in the news list above that #1 has a defect in the reactor vessel, and they are worried about a hydrogen explosion from it if it should breach, which could make the plant a no-man's land.
  by wtm at 3/31/2011 5:30:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:30:23 PM" ) )11:30 AM
• @fitter Good Point!
  by Tenzing at 3/31/2011 5:30:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:30:08 PM" ) )11:30 AM
• Update on the car breaking in at Daini, then trying to at Daiichi (maybe he was applying for a job) english.kyodonews.jp
  by Markfm at 3/31/2011 5:29:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:29:13 PM" ) )11:29 AM
• @T&M docs.google.com is a link the Fukushima accident sequence (slide presentation) - worth a look.
  by T&M at 10:24 AM BUMP!!! VERY well done. Viva France
  by gabe at 3/31/2011 5:28:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:28:40 PM" ) )11:28 AM
• @Canadian can you get a close up of the circular hole in the wall of #4? (should be in same frame to the left) My theory is that rust colored object is the projectile that made the hole.
  by Tenzing at 3/31/2011 5:28:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:28:35 PM" ) )11:28 AM
• @ all suggest if texting info on this discussion remember it is highly "sensitve" and due to 9/ll what seems innocent, may create a problem.. very closed industriy
  by fitter at 3/31/2011 5:28:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:28:22 PM" ) )11:28 AM
• @kgriff : well done ! how can i download it from here ?
  by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 5:27:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:27:55 PM" ) )11:27 AM
• @Nancy - Depends on $. Big pieces tend to get spray painted because powder coating requiers booth and the crane rails/I-beam are to big for that application
  by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 5:27:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:27:50 PM" ) )11:27 AM
• @kgriff This is from concrete pump
  by John at 3/31/2011 5:27:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:27:45 PM" ) )11:27 AM
• @John I don't think so.
  by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 5:27:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:27:35 PM" ) )11:27 AM

• test
  Live video by Ustream

  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 5:26:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:26:55 PM" ) )11:26 AM
• Refresh on the Kyodo water article -- pretty clear that the 10000x is ground water near the plant (not basement) english.kyodonews.jp
  by Markfm at 3/31/2011 5:26:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:26:25 PM" ) )11:26 AM
• from this video www.ustwrap.info i would say the white "pipes" all over are steal rods from the frame construction of the building.
  by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 5:26:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:26:22 PM" ) )11:26 AM
• 

  Reactor shield ???: img34.imageshack.us

  by John via Img34.imageshack.us at 3/31/2011 5:26:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:26:11 PM" ) )11:26 AM
• @Canadian looks like a mobile crane to me
  by ifz at 3/31/2011 5:26:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:26:10 PM" ) )11:26 AM
• @Canadian, looks like some kind of truck covered in dust ?
  by WolfDK at 3/31/2011 5:25:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:25:49 PM" ) )11:25 AM
• @Lethbridgean Indeed, but the primer wouldn't be entirely exposed. Even if some paint would have been either corroded by the radioactive steam or scrapped away by the explosions, there would be patches of green paint and patches of the primary beneath some scrapped areas of the crane surface. There are photos from one of the cranes inside one of the buildings (not sure which one) that only show green. So I guess the paint survived all the mayhem and it's green paint, not red.
  by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 5:25:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:25:39 PM" ) )11:25 AM

• @fiona... Not the best resolution tough

  by Optim at 3/31/2011 5:25:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:25:02 PM" ) )11:25 AM
• @all found a site with some infomation on explosion analist have been on to far just asked for a contact, but they see to have good anaylist info www.bakerrisk.com
  by fitter at 3/31/2011 5:24:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:24:49 PM" ) )11:24 AM
• docs.google.com is a link the Fukushima accident sequence (slide presentation) - worth a look.
  by T&M at 3/31/2011 5:24:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:24:25 PM" ) )11:24 AM
• 

  directly above rust colored object:
  <img src="http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r40/Shoot_Well/topdownimg.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket">

  by Canadian via I140.photobucket at 3/31/2011 5:24:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:24:05 PM" ) )11:24 AM
• @me : i have quite a lot proggies for that, but it does not work.
  by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 5:23:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:23:44 PM" ) )11:23 AM
• @Lethbridgean, do they powder coat all of that equipment or is it just spraypainted?
  by Nancy at 3/31/2011 5:23:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:23:34 PM" ) )11:23 AM
• @fiona: You might want to look for videos of plant right after Tsunami. I am not sure we will find photos.
  by Optim at 3/31/2011 5:23:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:23:34 PM" ) )11:23 AM
• @Matsuoko i don't know how to get the video but maybe someone in the socialtream know it. i just can't ask, no twitter account.
  by me at 3/31/2011 5:22:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:22:53 PM" ) )11:22 AM
• @gabe That means 5 Putzmeisters and a US Marines fast-deployment radiological team will be there soon.
  by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 5:22:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:22:18 PM" ) )11:22 AM
• @all Cham Dallas on CNN just now compared our exposure from a pint of milk to the amount of radiation we'd get on a flight from US to Japan. He did say we'd be getting less. Is this supposed to be comforting? Real numbers would be far more effective in alleviating panic! (Just to qualify...I'm not concerned....yet).
  by LM at 3/31/2011 5:22:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:22:00 PM" ) )11:22 AM
• @me : haven't you seen the steam ???
  by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 5:21:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:21:12 PM" ) )11:21 AM
• @Nancy @Pedro Jesus - Primer under paint can be gray or rust colour. Just saying..
  by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 5:20:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:20:36 PM" ) )11:20 AM
• Ah your right Pedro! so much for that theory.
  by Nancy at 3/31/2011 5:19:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:19:40 PM" ) )11:19 AM
• has anybody got a link to an aerial photo of the plant after the tsunami BUT before the explosions - something about those trees is bugging me and cannot find myself. thx
  by fiona at 3/31/2011 5:19:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:19:38 PM" ) )11:19 AM
• @Jay77 Yes: Reuters - "Q+A: What is going on at Japan's damaged nuclear reactor?" by By Mayumi Negishi (Mar 31). Describes situation, but does not give technical insight. Focuses on radiation in reactor 2 rather than 1
  by Dom at 3/31/2011 5:19:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:19:32 PM" ) )11:19 AM
• i wonder where the condensewater cames from in the last frames of the video.
  by me at 3/31/2011 5:19:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:19:22 PM" ) )11:19 AM
• @Nancy Remember that the cranes at Fukushima Daiichi were green, not red like the one in the photo below.
  by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 5:18:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:18:57 PM" ) )11:18 AM
• Interesting unconfirmed: 4 additional Putzmeister concrete pump trucks for Fukushima Dai-ichi NPS
  One Putzmeister M62-6 (62 meter working height, 6 arms) arrived today in Japan in an Antonov cargo plane, another of the same type is on its way.
  Two Putzmeister M70-5 (70 meter working height, 5 arms) were withdrawn from construction sites in the USA and also send to Japan.
  
  One Putzmeister M58-5 (58 meter working height, 5 arms) is already in at Fuskushima Dai-ichi NPS since March 22nd.Historical data:
  11 Putzmeister concrete pump trucks and several Putzmeister mobile concrete pumps were used to entomb reactor #4, Chernobyl. arstechnica.com
  by gabe at 3/31/2011 5:18:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:18:51 PM" ) )11:18 AM
• @NHK Listener- yes I Agree
  by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 5:18:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:18:09 PM" ) )11:18 AM
• @NHK Listener @NHK Listener @me : anyone can download it ? i don't get it.
  by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 5:17:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:17:56 PM" ) )11:17 AM
• @Jay77 I agree... and undoubtedly the area is going to expand.
  by nls at 3/31/2011 5:17:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:17:44 PM" ) )11:17 AM
• Looks like no4, must be on the concrete pumper
  by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 5:17:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:17:25 PM" ) )11:17 AM
• @me :that's exactly the position of the crane.
  by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 5:17:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:17:16 PM" ) )11:17 AM
• @Matsuoko @me - yes very good, yeah it is on the spray crane.
  by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 5:17:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:17:12 PM" ) )11:17 AM

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• @all, I just noticed that the crane in the last image posted and the rust and red debris items we are finding are close to the same color. Possibly legs of the crane? We are reasonably sure #3's crane (the big track portion with the cable coil) is still in the rubble. But the legs could have easily been blown off creating some of the odd pieces including our mystery rust piece by the pipe we thought was steam
  by Nancy at 3/31/2011 5:17:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:17:03 PM" ) )11:17 AM
• @Matsuoko not sure if it is on a crane, but the location of the camera seems to be static
  by me at 3/31/2011 5:16:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:16:12 PM" ) )11:16 AM
• @me : i'll try to catch it. the camera is really on the spray crane.
  by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 5:15:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:15:16 PM" ) )11:15 AM
• @Jay77 it's now 70 km to the west, and 40 km to the northwest of the pant.
  by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 5:15:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:15:07 PM" ) )11:15 AM
• @Radioguy, I think it may be the issue with the 1st photo was taken from a helicopter through a window and at a different angle. I am not 100% sure how the other images were done but they are a different angle and looked like direct images (not through a window) so they might be arial drone images. That could explain why one angle/image showed blurred transparent (camera distortion & reflection etc) through the window and the other one is obviously an opaque object that was done likely by the hd camera on a drone.
  by Nancy at 3/31/2011 5:14:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:14:29 PM" ) )11:14 AM
• @Matsuoko i thoght so, just a pity thats not at youtube or some other videoportal, so its lost when they stop showing it
  by me at 3/31/2011 5:14:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:14:25 PM" ) )11:14 AM
• The absorption of radiation by the human body= www.huffingtonpost.com
  by oli333 at 3/31/2011 5:13:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:13:52 PM" ) )11:13 AM
• @me : maybe they put a cam on top of the water pump crane ?
  by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 5:13:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:13:37 PM" ) )11:13 AM
• You can see that orangish thing that we have been discussing in hi-res photo #1. It appears to actually not be leaning against the pipe with a U-bend in it at all. Rather, it is jutting up at a near-to-vertical angle from some object that is on the ground. It just appears to be leaning on the U-shaped pipe from a certain angle but it isn't. Weird.
  by Sky at 3/31/2011 5:13:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:13:34 PM" ) )11:13 AM
• @radioguy There is construction equipment all over the place there. Some has been there since before the quake.
  by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 5:13:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:13:09 PM" ) )11:13 AM
• @Bobby1 Either way, 70km is starting to get up there in terms of geographically large areas of contaminated land.
  by Jay77 at 3/31/2011 5:12:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:12:55 PM" ) )11:12 AM
• @me : the cam goes directly into the steam !
  by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 5:12:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:12:41 PM" ) )11:12 AM
• @me : very nice video of #4. very close.
  by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 5:12:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:12:03 PM" ) )11:12 AM
• @Jay77 Tennai is west of the plant, rather than northwest where the hotspots have been detected.
  by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 5:11:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:11:18 PM" ) )11:11 AM
• @me : #4
  by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 5:11:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:11:06 PM" ) )11:11 AM
• It seems like each reactor, 1-2-3, sounds like the worst in various articles.
  by Scilla at 3/31/2011 5:10:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:10:52 PM" ) )11:10 AM
• @Dom do you have a link for that reuters article? Is that saying 1Sv/hr in the air of the basement building?
  by Jay77 at 3/31/2011 5:10:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:10:40 PM" ) )11:10 AM
• @NHK Listener That's what I thought too. It looks like that circular ring with the decrease in size is where it extends and retracts.
  by radioguy at 3/31/2011 5:10:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:10:18 PM" ) )11:10 AM
• @Dom : link ?
  by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 5:10:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:10:11 PM" ) )11:10 AM
• Reuter: The No.2 reactor has posed especially nasty risks, emitting high levels of radiation at more than 1,000 millisieverts an hour in both the water and air in the basement of the turbine building. That is the highest reading seen in the crisis and compares with a national safety standard of 250 millisieverts over a year. This most likely means that byproducts from a partial meltdown in the reactor core are leaking out into the water. (What is going on at Japan's damaged nuclear reactor?)
  by Dom at 3/31/2011 5:08:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:08:48 PM" ) )11:08 AM
• www.ustwrap.info shows a video thats new to me. but i'm not sure from what reaktor this video is
  by me at 3/31/2011 5:08:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:08:06 PM" ) )11:08 AM
• 

  ? images.scribblelive.com

  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 5:07:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:07:59 PM" ) )11:07 AM
• @Nancy I'm still baffled a bit by it. I can see where those two lines we thought were juts are actually the definition on the two sides of the object, but there's silver pipe visible in the old one where it's blocked by the rust object, and there are objects in the blurry old photo that are behind the pipe, and it doesn't extend far down enough. What to make of that?
  by radioguy at 3/31/2011 5:07:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:07:55 PM" ) )11:07 AM
• @kgriff Well I see a crane
  by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 5:07:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:07:52 PM" ) )11:07 AM
• 

  What is this then? images.scribblelive.com

  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 5:07:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:07:29 PM" ) )11:07 AM
• Don't know if you all saw the detail on the beef story
  
  "The Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare said 510 becquerels of radioactive cesium was detected in beef from Tenei, Fukushima Prefecture, above the 500-becquerel legal limit set under the food sanitation law."
  
  "Tenei is located nearly 70 kilometers away from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant."
  by Jay77 at 3/31/2011 5:07:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:07:07 PM" ) )11:07 AM
• I will post this again November 2010 powerpoint presentation from the Tokyo Electric Company detailing how fuel storage works at the huge complex. www.nirs.org
  by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 5:06:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:06:33 PM" ) )11:06 AM
• Just an aside... did anyone notice on Fairwinds vid he had a picture of Daini?
  by marie rich at 3/31/2011 5:04:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:04:31 PM" ) )11:04 AM
• @Scilla : the shared fuel pool is the big flat building south west of #4, very near to #4.- it has a quite black roof.
  by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 5:04:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:04:11 PM" ) )11:04 AM
• Story:_ Residents near nuclear plant show mixed reactions to plan to scrap four reactors-http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110331p2a00m0na013000c.html
  by oli333 at 3/31/2011 5:03:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:03:30 PM" ) )11:03 AM
• @Marie. from the lesser quality images yesterday it did look like smoke, it was very transparent and in two spots. But Radioguy's image from the new high resolution ones we have today clearly shows it to be a solid object and not a leak. The low res image could have had all sorts of reflections, smears, light etc. on it.
  by Nancy at 3/31/2011 5:03:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:03:30 PM" ) )11:03 AM
• @Nancy I agree.
  by LM at 3/31/2011 5:03:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:03:10 PM" ) )11:03 AM
• @Scilla In the photo I posted below is is the big building on the far left
  by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 5:02:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:02:46 PM" ) )11:02 AM
• @LM, I assumed they were pieces of that roof structure. They look quite like the destroyed roof framing. I saw nothing in the heavily zoomed high res that said otherwise.
  by Nancy at 3/31/2011 5:02:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:02:04 PM" ) )11:02 AM
• @gabe That is the tepco daiichi plant right from the tepco site
  by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 5:01:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:01:39 PM" ) )11:01 AM
• @Matsuoko - I don't get what you mean?
  by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 5:01:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:01:26 PM" ) )11:01 AM
• Nancy did an analysis fo red thing. It is almost certainly a plume of smoke, rust or whatever but it is not solid
  by marie rich at 3/31/2011 5:01:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:01:21 PM" ) )11:01 AM
• @Lethbridgean : hey, we are better here ! we won't repeat that nonsense ;)
  by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 5:00:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:00:30 PM" ) )11:00 AM
• 

  zoom on red thing images.scribblelive.com

  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 5:00:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 5:00:30 PM" ) )11:00 AM
• 
  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 4:59:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:59:57 PM" ) )10:59 AM
• The spent fuel shared pool - where is that located, in general?
  by Scilla at 3/31/2011 4:59:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:59:51 PM" ) )10:59 AM
• 

  As for the "red thing", it seems to be a post between R3 and R4. Here is the old discussion image images.scribblelive.com

  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 4:59:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:59:32 PM" ) )10:59 AM
• @Matsuoko @NHK Listener - Yes , that video was the most detailed of the destruction debris field at that point in the time line. Not fuel rods no. Didn't say they were it was what the Youtube title was seeming to suggest.
  by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 4:59:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:59:12 PM" ) )10:59 AM
• @Lethbridgean I don't have enough expertise to think anything about those pipes, but it is interesting to note that they are all over the place and seem to be the same size. Who knows? It's simply just another question.
  by LM at 3/31/2011 4:59:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:59:09 PM" ) )10:59 AM
• @NHK Listener What are we looking at ? That is a lot of 'fake' trees?
  by gabe at 3/31/2011 4:59:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:59:07 PM" ) )10:59 AM

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• @Lethbridgean : definitely no fuel rods.
  by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 4:58:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:58:10 PM" ) )10:58 AM
• @Lethbridgean The rods were most likely ducting
  by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 4:57:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:57:16 PM" ) )10:57 AM
• @LM - I didn't buy that they were the fuel rods as they seem to be different lengths and thickness. Interesting how few views it had on youtube. I think there were 2 versions of that video the second one was "deshaked"
  by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 4:56:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:56:14 PM" ) )10:56 AM
• 
  by NHK Listener via Tepco.co.jp at 3/31/2011 4:56:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:56:09 PM" ) )10:56 AM
• @Lethbridgean A few pages back I posted what fuel rods look like.. Pictures and all.
  by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 4:55:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:55:59 PM" ) )10:55 AM
• wow. sorry if already linked previously. www.foxnews.com
  by ricky at 3/31/2011 4:55:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:55:23 PM" ) )10:55 AM
• chornobyl.in.ua
  "It should be noted that the main radiation fallout on the pines resulting from the Chernobyl accident occurred during the revitalization process of plant growth. In such a period the radiosensitivity of plants increases 1,5 – 3 times as compared to other periods. "
  
  So it depends on where in the process of plant growth the trees are when they are exposed to the radiation and how severely it is effected immediately.
  by Canadian at 3/31/2011 4:54:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:54:38 PM" ) )10:54 AM
• @Lethbridgean Thanks! That must have been it.
  by LM at 3/31/2011 4:52:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:52:42 PM" ) )10:52 AM
• Fotograph of Japan tragedy- www.facebook.com!/photo.php?fbid=160070270713283&set=a.157475197639457.39036.157466287640348&theater
  by oli333 at 3/31/2011 4:52:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:52:14 PM" ) )10:52 AM
• @Kanna if it is 10,000 times the limit, what is the limit they are referring to.
  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 4:52:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:52:07 PM" ) )10:52 AM
• @LM : there was a video on you tube speculating that the white rods were the fuel rods, can somebody post it please..
  by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 4:51:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:51:44 PM" ) )10:51 AM
• @mjack I remember seeing some photos of heat distribution from the site after the explosions and some were speculating that those white rods were giving off heat. I haven't heard anything about it since and I forget the source. It's a great question.
  by LM at 3/31/2011 4:50:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:50:04 PM" ) )10:50 AM
• @Optim : thank you.
  by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 4:49:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:49:54 PM" ) )10:49 AM
• Links to multiple of today's stories: fukushimafaq.wikispaces.com
  by Markfm at 3/31/2011 4:49:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:49:31 PM" ) )10:49 AM
• I enjoyed this page on the "red forest" area at Chernobyl. www.nuclearflower.com
  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 4:48:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:48:50 PM" ) )10:48 AM
• Thanks so much for the hi-res images. I'm looking at the last shot, and the blue/green stuff spread in front of the building on thie hill opposite Unit 1. Any ideas what this is?
  by es at 3/31/2011 4:48:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:48:44 PM" ) )10:48 AM
• @matusoko: I will try to be less definitive next time. Peace
  by Optim at 3/31/2011 4:47:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:47:19 PM" ) )10:47 AM
• @all Is there a site that's listing radiation concentrations in tap water in different prefectures of Japan?
  by LM at 3/31/2011 4:46:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:46:44 PM" ) )10:46 AM
• @NHK listener: Not a single tree looks uprooted or destroyed. It's as if Tsunami never stuck that area. Very very strange. I mean, if Tsunami was so powerful to take away the backup fuel tanks, the trees must be super powerful to have managed to stay uproot
  by Optim at 3/31/2011 4:46:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:46:31 PM" ) )10:46 AM
• what are the many many white rods littered about all over the place? There all seem to be pretty much the same length. The latice structure of the building apears to be made of thicker constituents. Any ideas?
  by mjack at 3/31/2011 4:46:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:46:16 PM" ) )10:46 AM
• english.kyodonews.jp
  by Kanna at 3/31/2011 4:46:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:46:12 PM" ) )10:46 AM
• Radioactivity 10,000 times the limit found from groundwater: TEPCO english.kyodonews.jp
  by Kanna at 3/31/2011 4:46:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:46:10 PM" ) )10:46 AM
• Radioactivity 10,000 times the limit found from groundwater: TEPCO
  by Cara at 3/31/2011 4:46:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:46:00 PM" ) )10:46 AM
• @Optim : you said " IT means radiation levels outside the reactor are not bad. " and "Radioactivity is contained in the rector building". i copied your conclusions.
  by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 4:45:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:45:59 PM" ) )10:45 AM
• 
  Heroic Fukushima Workers Believe They Will Die "Within Weeks" - www.businessinsider.com
  by Miles at 3/31/2011 4:45:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:45:56 PM" ) )10:45 AM
• Has anyone gotten this to display properly (I just get dots, tried reloading)? www.tepco.co.jp
  by Markfm at 3/31/2011 4:45:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:45:50 PM" ) )10:45 AM
• @dean From the ehow link "Some species were more sensitive than others; pine trees, for example, fell victim to doses as low as 5 to 10 rads per day according to the report." The webcam has pine trees.
  by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 4:45:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:45:44 PM" ) )10:45 AM
• @James Ward if comments were possible for this article I would have asked the good man if he would not run away from radiation if he were living nextdoor to an exploded nuclear plant.
  by nls at 3/31/2011 4:45:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:45:37 PM" ) )10:45 AM
• @Optim There has been speculation that the "Red Forest" may also have been caused by the thick chemical that was sprayed in the area by helicopters to coagulate the radioactive particles. Also, I haven't seen any estimates yet on how long it took for the trees to become red.
  by Jay77 at 3/31/2011 4:45:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:45:24 PM" ) )10:45 AM
• @gabe They'll keep for a long time, too.
  by radioguy at 3/31/2011 4:44:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:44:54 PM" ) )10:44 AM
• Gabe, not gave.
  by Scilla at 3/31/2011 4:44:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:44:23 PM" ) )10:44 AM
• Gave has found the silver lining. No ecoli.
  by Scilla at 3/31/2011 4:44:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:44:01 PM" ) )10:44 AM
• @Optim And a good one too. I'm surprised none of us had pointed that out yet. It is very relevant.
  by Pedro Jesus at 3/31/2011 4:43:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:43:56 PM" ) )10:43 AM
• @NHK Listener Beef or cows I wonder? No more e-coli in those buggers..
  by gabe at 3/31/2011 4:42:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:42:27 PM" ) )10:42 AM
• @Matsuoko: I am not an expert to deny or concur with anything. I am just pointing out the obvious. The trees look Ok. en.wikipedia.org This says that the trees were completely destroyed. Not sure how much time it took for the trees to dry. At least from the last picture from here cryptome.org it looks like trees are doing ok. Again no conclusions..just observation
  by Optim at 3/31/2011 4:41:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:41:59 PM" ) )10:41 AM
• time for my travel.. be back later.. .
  by dean at 3/31/2011 4:41:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:41:43 PM" ) )10:41 AM
• www.ehow.com hopefully some information on gamma radiation affects on plants
  by dean at 3/31/2011 4:41:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:41:20 PM" ) )10:41 AM
• I would bet that most plants within the first km will be in bad shape from the tsunami
  by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 4:40:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:40:26 PM" ) )10:40 AM
• Yes, I'm catching up. Sorry about re-posting. Reuters specifies water in underground tunnel.
  by Dom at 3/31/2011 4:40:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:40:24 PM" ) )10:40 AM
• ok joshua... maybe we can find something for the fukushima plants
  by dean at 3/31/2011 4:39:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:39:20 PM" ) )10:39 AM
• @Optim : i don't understand your point. do you want to deny that radioactivity is continuously leaking out, just because you see a green tree ?
  by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 4:38:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:38:42 PM" ) )10:38 AM
• Radioactive substance exceeding limit found in beef in Fukushima Pref. english.kyodonews.jp
  by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 4:38:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:38:42 PM" ) )10:38 AM
• @Dom Go back about an hour in the comments to see the groundwater discussion
  by Jay77 at 3/31/2011 4:38:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:38:19 PM" ) )10:38 AM
• @kgriff OK, that's just damned odd. Those two blowups are not analogous.
  by radioguy at 3/31/2011 4:36:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:36:47 PM" ) )10:36 AM
• @Dom what is the limit they are talking about?
  by kgriff at 3/31/2011 4:36:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 4:36:26 PM" ) )10:36 AM

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