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@dave : don't know which one first.
by Matsuoko at 4/1/2011 2:17:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:17:17 AM" ) )8:17 PM
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@NHK Listener: Did you sign up?
by Karen Warren at 4/1/2011 2:17:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:17:00 AM" ) )8:17 PM
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@George Gibb From what I have seen of the news here in Australia its always very rare and at least 10hrs old........Sad really
by Angie at 4/1/2011 2:16:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:16:47 AM" ) )8:16 PM
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@Matsuoko r1?
by dave at 4/1/2011 2:16:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:16:25 AM" ) )8:16 PM
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@George: Most people have no idea or don't want to go there. My Facebook friends do - unless they hid me, lol.
by Karen Warren at 4/1/2011 2:16:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:16:10 AM" ) )8:16 PM
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@NHK Listener : i am awaiting a blast this weekend, too.
by Matsuoko at 4/1/2011 2:15:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:15:55 AM" ) )8:15 PM
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@George Gibb I spoke to my dad and he thought the plant was going to blow up again,, based on what he saw on cnn
by NHK Listener at 4/1/2011 2:15:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:15:23 AM" ) )8:15 PM
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@George Gibb - do you wake them up? succesfully?
by Lethbridgean at 4/1/2011 2:15:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:15:15 AM" ) )8:15 PM
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@george- Sad but true.
by Maureen Burke at 4/1/2011 2:15:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:15:09 AM" ) )8:15 PM
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I'm amazed at the number of people I talk to that think the disaster in Japan is over with.
by George Gibb at 4/1/2011 2:14:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:14:27 AM" ) )8:14 PM
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Halloffamememorabilia at 4/1/2011 2:13:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:13:52 AM" ) )8:13 PM
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@Salvador I just figure it out.. I was referring to my avatar for the job listing stickied up top..
by NHK Listener at 4/1/2011 2:13:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:13:44 AM" ) )8:13 PM
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@elaine- the sticky disappeared before I could copy it. Someone else must have done it.?
by Maureen Burke at 4/1/2011 2:12:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:12:52 AM" ) )8:12 PM
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nothing happening this morning just the corium working...
by Matsuoko at 4/1/2011 2:12:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:12:08 AM" ) )8:12 PM
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@Shelly No. Not even a little bit fearful. I'm also in Washington state.
by NiDan at 4/1/2011 2:11:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:11:59 AM" ) )8:11 PM
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@Yuri - there was only one questionable thing that Prof said in the video and that was that the Fuel rods flew out of the spent fuel pool. Other than that I would agree with everything he said in that interview.
by Lethbridgean at 4/1/2011 2:11:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:11:10 AM" ) )8:11 PM
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@maureen ty
by elainekirk at 4/1/2011 2:11:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:11:10 AM" ) )8:11 PM
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@salvador- your avatar is the same as yesterday.
by Maureen Burke at 4/1/2011 2:09:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:09:03 AM" ) )8:09 PM
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VeenOui via
Pointscope01.jp at 4/1/2011 2:08:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:08:42 AM" ) )8:08 PM
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@pj Yes I put milk in it.. Was fruit loops
by NHK Listener at 4/1/2011 2:07:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:07:40 AM" ) )8:07 PM
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@Salvador ?
by NHK Listener at 4/1/2011 2:07:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:07:17 AM" ) )8:07 PM
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@NHK Listener Yes, but did you put milk on it?
by pj at 4/1/2011 2:07:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:07:06 AM" ) )8:07 PM
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@Shelly Hi neighbor .no, it would never reach the shelves esp. in CA
by VeenOui at 4/1/2011 2:06:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:06:52 AM" ) )8:06 PM
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@Shelly I am in washington state.. I had a bowl of cereal for breakfast
by NHK Listener at 4/1/2011 2:06:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:06:36 AM" ) )8:06 PM
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@NHK Listener What's up with my avatar?
by Salvador at 4/1/2011 2:06:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:06:19 AM" ) )8:06 PM
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Hello, I've been following the conversation for a few days. I live in Southern California and was wondering if any one of you would be fearful of drinking the milk here now or in coming days
by Shelly at 4/1/2011 2:04:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:04:43 AM" ) )8:04 PM
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@ elaine- I'll try to add it.
by Maureen Burke at 4/1/2011 2:04:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:04:43 AM" ) )8:04 PM
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The avatar that goes with the job listing is fitting.
by NHK Listener at 4/1/2011 2:04:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:04:12 AM" ) )8:04 PM
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by elainekirk at 4/1/2011 2:02:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:02:09 AM" ) )8:02 PM
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Im not sure how credible this expert is on Russian news, but interesting take on the disaster:
is.gdby Yuri at 4/1/2011 2:01:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 2:01:54 AM" ) )8:01 PM
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@Maureen Burke -yes
by Lethbridgean at 4/1/2011 1:55:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:55:11 AM" ) )7:55 PM
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@cat if you look up above there are links to two up and running geiger sites
by elainekirk at 4/1/2011 1:55:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:55:05 AM" ) )7:55 PM
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OT: Is there a poster without an avatar named"Me"?
by Maureen Burke at 4/1/2011 1:54:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:54:14 AM" ) )7:54 PM
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hi all...last night someone was on, can't remember name, who wanted to remind us that Japan is watching this post too...just saying...
by oopi at 4/1/2011 1:53:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:53:55 AM" ) )7:53 PM
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Biggest problem is communications with other workers and the dispatch, US workers won't be able to speak Japanese and that may be a safety issue.
by wtm at 4/1/2011 1:53:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:53:50 AM" ) )7:53 PM
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by Cat edited by elainekirk at 4/1/2011 1:53:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:53:32 AM" ) )7:53 PM
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If I had an incurable illness I'd head over and earn some cash for my family.
by Maureen Burke at 4/1/2011 1:52:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:52:09 AM" ) )7:52 PM
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But it will only be a "dead end " job !!!
by wtm at 4/1/2011 1:51:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:51:11 AM" ) )7:51 PM
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elaine I didn't see it yet... everyone will want to probably get in on the $$$ if there is any
by dean at 4/1/2011 1:50:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:50:28 AM" ) )7:50 PM
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@Lethbridgean I concur
by NHK Listener at 4/1/2011 1:49:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:49:49 AM" ) )7:49 PM
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brb.. going to eat dinner
by dean at 4/1/2011 1:49:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:49:48 AM" ) )7:49 PM
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@Dean I think the present management should be appointed jumpers
by elainekirk at 4/1/2011 1:49:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:49:11 AM" ) )7:49 PM
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@Dean, did you see the Reuters story a bit ago about US recruiting? It was on India Reuters
by Nancy at 4/1/2011 1:48:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:48:49 AM" ) )7:48 PM
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i wonder what the jobs that company are talking about are... hmmmmm
by dean at 4/1/2011 1:48:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:48:08 AM" ) )7:48 PM
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@all : how do you do that: disappering posts ?
by Matsuoko at 4/1/2011 1:45:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:45:46 AM" ) )7:45 PM
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@dean : i meant : yes, it's real.
by Matsuoko at 4/1/2011 1:44:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:44:34 AM" ) )7:44 PM
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@dean : no.
by Matsuoko at 4/1/2011 1:44:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:44:00 AM" ) )7:44 PM
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is that post for jobs in japan for real?.. RHK
by dean at 4/1/2011 1:42:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:42:38 AM" ) )7:42 PM
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there was an artile on the trees (forest actualy is what they said) in some areas being used as wind sheild, maybe fake one hold up better in Isumas
by fitter: at 4/1/2011 1:42:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:42:11 AM" ) )7:42 PM
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Do we have an official dead zone now? "Japan chief cabinet sec Edano: Evacuation of residents near Fukushima nuclear plant to be long term"
twitter.com!/REUTERSFLASH/status/53623290291425280
by Yuri at 4/1/2011 1:40:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:40:12 AM" ) )7:40 PM
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@Dennis Tucker Jr : of course there is, they all leak out more or less.
by Matsuoko at 4/1/2011 1:37:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:37:54 AM" ) )7:37 PM
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@marie are they the company recruiting?
by elainekirk at 4/1/2011 1:37:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:37:14 AM" ) )7:37 PM
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@michael omg, my son works for Bartlett Nuc as a radtech.
by marie rich at 4/1/2011 1:34:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:34:12 AM" ) )7:34 PM
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Should it worry me that a nuclear company has a website that looks like it was made in 1995?
by Nancy at 4/1/2011 1:33:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:33:54 AM" ) )7:33 PM
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@Dennis Tucker Jr - I did, there was discussion about the trees not changing color and using that as a reference to the low level radiation. I simply stated that not too much stock should be placed upon the color as my expeience at gas plants and coal mines told me that some of the plants use green spray paint for grass and fake trees
by Lethbridgean at 4/1/2011 1:32:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:32:44 AM" ) )7:32 PM
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@NHK- and bring your own dosimeter.
by Maureen Burke edited by elainekirk at 4/1/2011 1:32:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:32:25 AM" ) )7:32 PM
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by michael at 4/1/2011 1:32:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:32:14 AM" ) )7:32 PM
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@Dennis Tucker- That would be me. Well, not just me but...Go ahead, laugh.
by Maureen Burke at 4/1/2011 1:31:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:31:42 AM" ) )7:31 PM
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I think fitter needs to reload the page. Did the same thing to me the other day. Only see your own posts
by Nancy at 4/1/2011 1:29:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:29:44 AM" ) )7:29 PM
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@NHK Listener I'm kind of curious as to who would postulate such a thing in the first place....
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 4/1/2011 1:29:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:29:02 AM" ) )7:29 PM
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@Gordon Thanks. Yes.
by es at 4/1/2011 1:28:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:28:04 AM" ) )7:28 PM
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@es I believe that is what was postulated ... And it sounds logical.
by Gordon at 4/1/2011 1:27:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:27:00 AM" ) )7:27 PM
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by Bobby1 at 4/1/2011 1:26:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:26:49 AM" ) )7:26 PM
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@Dennis Tucker Jr earlier the discussion topic was if they were fake.
by NHK Listener at 4/1/2011 1:24:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:24:43 AM" ) )7:24 PM
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The trees are definitely getting browner.
by Dennis Tucker Jr at 4/1/2011 1:20:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:20:00 AM" ) )7:20 PM
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so the one worker with dosimeter stays outside and the other ten of the group remove the water from the turbine hall, until the first workers has reached his limit. this is BS !
by Matsuoko at 4/1/2011 1:18:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:18:49 AM" ) )7:18 PM
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@Bobby1- Yup. Also on NHK: Edano basically said this- The levels of radiation in the groundwater seemed really high so we retested. There appears to be some radioactive material in the groundwater.
by Maureen Burke at 4/1/2011 1:16:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:16:19 AM" ) )7:16 PM
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I am not familiar with the type of dosimeters used in a nuclear facility. I would assume they are more sensitive and detailed than the ones health care workers use?
by Nancy at 4/1/2011 1:16:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:16:06 AM" ) )7:16 PM
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@Matsuoko - I don't think these are very "informed" workers. Expendible.
by Lethbridgean at 4/1/2011 1:15:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:15:55 AM" ) )7:15 PM
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@Lethbridgean : it is hard to believe that they have not enough dosimeters at hand. i don't understand why the workers accept that. as a worker, i would go nowhere but out of this area, when they refuse to give me a dosimeter.
by Matsuoko at 4/1/2011 1:14:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:14:25 AM" ) )7:14 PM
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@Gordon Didn't the added sand mixed contribute to the glassiness at Chernobyl?
by es at 4/1/2011 1:14:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:14:09 AM" ) )7:14 PM
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@Maureen Burke A month ago I would have thought such behavior was impossible. Now I expect it.
by Bobby1 at 4/1/2011 1:12:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:12:21 AM" ) )7:12 PM
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@dean sure
by George Gibb at 4/1/2011 1:12:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:12:16 AM" ) )7:12 PM
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will do.. when ever you want George .. I can now if you like
by dean at 4/1/2011 1:10:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:10:51 AM" ) )7:10 PM
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@dean Before you log off tonight lets chat on FB. I would like to hear your opinion on the future site layout.
by George Gibb at 4/1/2011 1:10:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:10:18 AM" ) )7:10 PM
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On NHK: Tepco broke government rules when it was discovered that not all workers had personal radiation monitors. They may reduce the number of workers at the plant.
by Maureen Burke at 4/1/2011 1:09:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:09:53 AM" ) )7:09 PM
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@dean Cool pic! Wow, I wish I had more like that and better detail ... Thanks
by Gordon at 4/1/2011 1:09:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:09:51 AM" ) )7:09 PM
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TEPCO is claiming, the reason the workers didn't have anough Radiation Meters " all 5000" is due to destruction during the Earthquake...so, let me ask .there is another Nuclear Plant, not far away at all with no damage and they couldn't use theirs?.B$
by VeenOui at 4/1/2011 1:09:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:09:50 AM" ) )7:09 PM
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@VeenOui - only 350 out of 5000 dosimeters were usable so only one worker in a group would be wearing them, just mentioned in the summery from the press conf. NHK
by Lethbridgean at 4/1/2011 1:09:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:09:28 AM" ) )7:09 PM
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@VeenOui perhaps they were running "low" on them before the quake struck?
by Angie at 4/1/2011 1:09:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:09:28 AM" ) )7:09 PM
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@Sin I've read extensively on this subject and yes while there is "powdering" of the surface it seems that this particular corium at Chernobyl has a pronounced glass / ceramic quality. I've seen calcs that show that the decay radiation energy is below the threshold needed to break the ceramic / glass bonds, hence it is actually hold together better than most expected and there is no realistic reason it should not continue to do so. We may not be so lucky with the corium in Japan as it might not have the necessary elements to for the ceramic / glass like structure.
by Gordon at 4/1/2011 1:07:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:07:28 AM" ) )7:07 PM
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So nothing new out of that press conference........or did I miss something?
by Angie at 4/1/2011 1:07:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:07:20 AM" ) )7:07 PM
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TMI core damage
by dean at 4/1/2011 1:03:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:03:02 AM" ) )7:03 PM
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very true... good comments Gordon... I showed a photo of the partial melted core of TMI.. I will put it up again to see and support what you say at the initial process..
by dean at 4/1/2011 1:02:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:02:43 AM" ) )7:02 PM
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@dean Yes agreed but what I was trying to say is that at the start it is not homogenized, there are "clumps" of various elements hence the unpredictably of possible localised excursions anywhere in the corium melt. Then as the mix becomes more homogenized the possibility of localized excursions in the corium greatly reduces, apparently leading to the unexpected setting of the corium in Chernobyl. It is one of several theories as to why the relocation just stopped, and thank god it did or Chernobyl would have been an order of magnitude worse!
by Gordon at 4/1/2011 1:01:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 1:01:06 AM" ) )7:01 PM
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I am probably confused but I thought the convo earlier was re samples from 1 basement this has results for 1,2,3 and 5+6
www.tepco.co.jpby elainekirk at 4/1/2011 12:59:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:59:49 AM" ) )6:59 PM
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Funeral for Tepco?
by gabe at 4/1/2011 12:59:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:59:19 AM" ) )6:59 PM
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@gabe Promotion?
by NHK Listener at 4/1/2011 12:59:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:59:08 AM" ) )6:59 PM
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@dean Just a normal suit... He is on NHK now.
by gabe at 4/1/2011 12:59:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:59:03 AM" ) )6:59 PM
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@Gabe I was just thinking the same thing. I wonder what the suit implies is going to happen?
by Angela5pointo at 4/1/2011 12:58:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:58:53 AM" ) )6:58 PM
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ut oh... gabe.. what's he have on?
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:58:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:58:16 AM" ) )6:58 PM
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Wow, Edano changed his blue jacket this may be a bad sign;-)
by gabe at 4/1/2011 12:57:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:57:57 AM" ) )6:57 PM
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imagine.. the design for the covering on each facility .. it must withstand 40 foot tsunami or so, withstand a 10.0 or so and not breakdown due to enviromental extremes for 30,000 years
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:57:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:57:11 AM" ) )6:57 PM
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Only 10 years berhind schedule...
by gabe at 4/1/2011 12:55:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:55:58 AM" ) )6:55 PM
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@Sin They actually began building a huge structure next to Chernobyl in 2010 that will serve to decomission the whole plant.
by gabe at 4/1/2011 12:55:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:55:18 AM" ) )6:55 PM
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capture this link George for some interesting insight to nuclear absorbing material
search34.info.comby dean at 4/1/2011 12:54:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:54:44 AM" ) )6:54 PM
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@Sin I can one up you.. I mentioned a dollar amount.. :-$ lol
by NHK Listener at 4/1/2011 12:54:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:54:37 AM" ) )6:54 PM
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yes.. I've seen them mixing portions of fluids to introduce into the water makeup to the facilities on videos before.. they use ratios.. but I would probably just dump a bunch in high concentrations
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:53:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:53:08 AM" ) )6:53 PM
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@dave: good point, might serve to repeat the comment tomorrow
by JPH at 4/1/2011 12:52:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:52:31 AM" ) )6:52 PM
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@dean Intresting, makes the other article plausible.
by George Gibb at 4/1/2011 12:52:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:52:12 AM" ) )6:52 PM
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right gordon, it's relatively easy to know what the critical array in water for the normal fuel elements, like how many in what geometry but in the corium its hader because on the homgenized goo
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:51:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:51:54 AM" ) )6:51 PM
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It is my understanding that the corium left at Chernobyl is now starting to crumble and become scattered, especially as the roof is falling in, there are huge holes and cracks in the sarcophagus and birds fly in and out of the structure.
by Sin at 4/1/2011 12:51:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:51:50 AM" ) )6:51 PM
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@VeenOui : this is pure desperation.
by Matsuoko at 4/1/2011 12:51:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:51:43 AM" ) )6:51 PM
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by dean edited by elainekirk at 4/1/2011 12:50:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:50:10 AM" ) )6:50 PM
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be careful tomorrow is april fools days
by dave at 4/1/2011 12:49:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:49:23 AM" ) )6:49 PM
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Just a few thoughts about corium, I believe that to date there is no final explanation of why the corium stopped at Chernobyl. popular theories abound including that corium as it forms is not at all consistent and includes various concentrations of various elements and that during its mobile phase the mixing that occurs sometimes brings enough fuel together to from critical masses. then as the corium becomes more consistent either from internal currents and / or from movement during relocation the control rods and or various injected poisons the critical masses break up.
by Gordon at 4/1/2011 12:49:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:49:13 AM" ) )6:49 PM
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@dean Right on Dean
by George Gibb at 4/1/2011 12:48:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:48:36 AM" ) )6:48 PM
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on monday I'll pass it by some nuclear safety people
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:47:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:47:46 AM" ) )6:47 PM
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@Pat That is beyond ridiculous ! workers wanted
by VeenOui at 4/1/2011 12:47:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:47:36 AM" ) )6:47 PM
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very intersting article George
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:47:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:47:17 AM" ) )6:47 PM
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@elainekirk k Thanks Elaine
by George Gibb at 4/1/2011 12:44:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:44:12 AM" ) )6:44 PM
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@Pat @NHK Listener I had mentioned that they were sending US nuke workers over there last week. (I have Family in the industtry)
by Sin at 4/1/2011 12:43:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:43:45 AM" ) )6:43 PM
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@george Somebody did post about this earlier and although the link they gave didnt work 2 of us replied with links but there was nobody able to give any insight
by elainekirk at 4/1/2011 12:43:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:43:36 AM" ) )6:43 PM
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checking it now...
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:42:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:42:10 AM" ) )6:42 PM
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cat.. ty for that blog.. it was informative from the nuclear engineering department
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:41:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:41:38 AM" ) )6:41 PM
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@Pat I guess my source checks out
by NHK Listener at 4/1/2011 12:40:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:40:19 AM" ) )6:40 PM
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@Pat woot I mentioned this earlier
by NHK Listener at 4/1/2011 12:39:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:39:53 AM" ) )6:39 PM
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any thoughts?
by George Gibb at 4/1/2011 12:39:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:39:26 AM" ) )6:39 PM
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@dean Had a email asking about this...
I posted this earlier in the blog but the link didn’t work.
www.nuclearno.com
I don’t know if there is much merit to the story. I am just a very concerned grandmother who has been reading the blogs since the first day on Reuters.
by George Gibb edited by elainekirk at 4/1/2011 12:39:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:39:14 AM" ) )6:39 PM
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@Maureen Burke Birds will be the ones most likely to be at risk.. Seagulls come to mind
by NHK Listener at 4/1/2011 12:38:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:38:13 AM" ) )6:38 PM
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Reuters India Exclusive
in.reuters.com EXCLUSIVE - WANTED: U.S. workers for crippled Japan nuke plant
by Pat edited by elainekirk at 4/1/2011 12:37:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:37:56 AM" ) )6:37 PM
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@NHK- That was my concern...
by Maureen Burke at 4/1/2011 12:37:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:37:32 AM" ) )6:37 PM
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@Maureen Burke I would think the only worries would be animals and birds eating the remains and then traveling outside the contamination zone. Food chains could be impacted I would imagine
by NHK Listener at 4/1/2011 12:37:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:37:03 AM" ) )6:37 PM
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@Maureen this is going to sound incredibly insensitive I doubt it makes a difference to the environment if people decompose in the air or buried in the ground
by sims at 4/1/2011 12:36:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:36:31 AM" ) )6:36 PM
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will check it out CAT.
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:36:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:36:15 AM" ) )6:36 PM
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@Maureen Burke - Decomposing bodies themselves shouldn't have any negative impact on the environment. Unfortunately in areas where there is now a lot of stagnant water there is always the risk of disease.
by Duncan at 4/1/2011 12:36:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:36:07 AM" ) )6:36 PM
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@ all, hi I have been following this invaluable blog, but haven't commented since Reuter days. Have you seen this forum?
www.nuc.berkeley.edu University of California. Berkeley Radiological Air and Water Monitoring Forum.
by Cat edited by elainekirk at 4/1/2011 12:35:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:35:53 AM" ) )6:35 PM
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I have a question and it's not pleasant but needs to be asked. Regarding the enormous number of people dead in the evacuation zone that are being left where they are because of radioactivity: What additional impact on the environment do they have as decomposition takes place, if any?
by Maureen Burke at 4/1/2011 12:34:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:34:22 AM" ) )6:34 PM
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that's it james.. there are others that show the fuel in areas under the vessel in the suppresion chamber.. they bored holes in certain areas to look at that
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:33:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:33:23 AM" ) )6:33 PM
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at nuclear facilities they also have what's called. NAD's.. Nuclear Accident Detectors which are used to detect extremely high levels of radiation from an accident.. we use those to help in assessing how far to evacuate
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:32:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:32:10 AM" ) )6:32 PM
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by VeenOui edited by elainekirk at 4/1/2011 12:31:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:31:02 AM" ) )6:31 PM
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James Ward via
Lh5.googleusercontent at 4/1/2011 12:28:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:28:43 AM" ) )6:28 PM
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matsuoko... the control rods which there are many many in a big reactor by the technical safety report, have burnup limits, ie, after so long in the reactor they actually loose their affectiveness and are then changed out...
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:27:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:27:49 AM" ) )6:27 PM
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Sorry folks...my last post contained an incorrect link. Not sure how that got in there...I apologize.
by James Ward at 4/1/2011 12:26:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:26:18 AM" ) )6:26 PM
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karen,, yes it's on the FB.. meretisa made up documents for the several focus areas for people to put ideas on
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:26:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:26:05 AM" ) )6:26 PM
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Looks pretty calm this morning. Perhaps they are not venting because of the onshore wind?
by dan at 4/1/2011 12:26:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:26:01 AM" ) )6:26 PM
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@Pat Does it really matter if someone is pro- or anti-nuclear at this point? If what they're saying is fundamentally correct, I'm ready to listen.
by James Ward at 4/1/2011 12:25:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:25:11 AM" ) )6:25 PM
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Is it just the economics that this stuff can't be re-processed? Seems like it would have a lot higher yield than the original ore (I know it does) so what's up with that. I mean even outside of this situation where there is a safety concern?
by Jim Carver at 4/1/2011 12:24:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:24:56 AM" ) )6:24 PM
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@dean : in what intervals do the poison rods have to be exchanged ? together with the fuel rods ?
by Matsuoko at 4/1/2011 12:23:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:23:15 AM" ) )6:23 PM
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by James Ward at 4/1/2011 12:22:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:22:48 AM" ) )6:22 PM
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"What Caused the High Cl-38 Radioactivity in the Fukushima Daiichi Reactor #1?"
www.pej.org Highly technical with calcualtions/equations "the cause of the Cl-38 concentrations is not seawater intercepting neutrons from natural spontaneous fission of the used nuclear fuel" Author known antinuclear Phd
by Pat at 4/1/2011 12:22:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:22:37 AM" ) )6:22 PM
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@Dean: sorry, I'm confused by "document for containment and shielding." What document? Is it part of this think-tank's effort or a formal document provided by ____?
by Karen Warren at 4/1/2011 12:22:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:22:33 AM" ) )6:22 PM
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This DOE article discusses containment failure in BWRs:
www.osti.govby es at 4/1/2011 12:22:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:22:05 AM" ) )6:22 PM
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and they call it NEGATIVE WORTH.. it's physics stuff the NUKIES have to worry about when they build these things
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:21:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:21:34 AM" ) )6:21 PM
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not worth like gold bullion..
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:20:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:20:58 AM" ) )6:20 PM
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@dean lol
by Jim Carver at 4/1/2011 12:20:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:20:24 AM" ) )6:20 PM
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in a reactor.. the theory is that the control rods must be worth enough reactivity which is measured in DOLLARS... that it keeps the reactor in a subcritical mode upon scram. that's one reason they want boron or boric acid poured in to bolster up the poison affect and keep the blob sub critical
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:19:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:19:25 AM" ) )6:19 PM
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@elainekirk This is the first time for Fukushima.
by Jim Carver at 4/1/2011 12:18:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:18:44 AM" ) )6:18 PM
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@Matsuko. Meh pessimistic or optimistic, I respect all views!
by Angie at 4/1/2011 12:18:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:18:00 AM" ) )6:18 PM
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Can I ask a novice question? as mox has never been in the mix before is there confidence in predictions for #3
by elainekirk at 4/1/2011 12:17:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:17:59 AM" ) )6:17 PM
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yes the poison control rod material would absorb neutrons and decay into daughter products that also absorb neutrons.. one reason hafnium is chose is in an accident condition it decays to another element that absorbs neutrons..
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:17:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:17:44 AM" ) )6:17 PM
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@PeterMelzer @JimCarver Excellent. Thank you. I wonder what it will mean for cleanup.
by KT39 at 4/1/2011 12:16:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:16:31 AM" ) )6:16 PM
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if you look at lava coming out of a volcano.. it's super hot in color and then at the surface you see black forming then glowing again, and it flows in every direction (path of least resistance) but eventually it solidifies at the edges and stays hot in the center then all of a sudden it stops and cools and solidifies.
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:16:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:16:20 AM" ) )6:16 PM
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@dean : but all the moderator stuff in there (bor, hafnium etc), they will be exhausted sooner or later, filled up with neutrons, wouldn't they ?
by Matsuoko at 4/1/2011 12:16:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:16:10 AM" ) )6:16 PM
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What happens to Corium once it leaks out and cools? How is it dealt with? Have officials acknowledged that they are dealing with this substance now?
by Yuri at 4/1/2011 12:15:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:15:54 AM" ) )6:15 PM
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@dean, thanks for your precise answer. The critical mass is not changed by the pollutants from other elements ? -or is it just not enough to prevent such an event ?
by WolfDK at 4/1/2011 12:15:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:15:15 AM" ) )6:15 PM
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Cerium (play /ˈsɪəriəm/) is a chemical element with the symbol Ce and atomic number 58. It is a soft, silvery, ductile metal which easily oxidizes in air. Cerium was named after the dwarf planet Ceres (itself named for the Roman goddess of agriculture). Cerium is the most abundant of the rare earth elements, making up about 0.0046% of the Earth's crust by weight. It is found in a number of minerals, the most important being monazite and bastnasite. Commercial applications of cerium are numerous. They include catalysts, additives to fuel to reduce emissions and to glass and enamels to change their color. Cerium oxide is an important component of glass polishing powders and phosphors used in screens and fluorescent lamps.
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Ce is a high-yield product of nuclear fission; the ORNL Fission Product Pilot Plant separated substantial quantities of 144
Ce from reactor waste, and it was used in the Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion and SNAP programs.
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en.wikipedia.orgby Jim Carver at 4/1/2011 12:15:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:15:03 AM" ) )6:15 PM
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true james.. I do know from the congressional hearing they had.. THE NRC and DOE are under the gun to deliver
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:14:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:14:07 AM" ) )6:14 PM
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@Angie : i have a quite pessimistic view on all that. just for your orientation. :)
by Matsuoko at 4/1/2011 12:13:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:13:47 AM" ) )6:13 PM
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@KT39, Ce-144 is a high-yield product of nuclear fission according to
en.wikipedia.org .
by Peter Melzer at 4/1/2011 12:13:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:13:45 AM" ) )6:13 PM
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matsuoko.. let clarify that.. I believe the fuel melted in at least 3 of the reactors and, when that melt occured corium was formed and relocated in the reactor vessel internals and could have breached the vessel through penetrations at the bottom head, not knowing how much of the corium actually is out of the vessel bottom head area. I would think it's found it's way perhaps in different paths... and. some could have stayed back in the reactor vessel... the corium photo's from CHERNOBYL showed corium flowing out of pipes etc.. it's a liquid like lava before it cools enough to solidify
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:13:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:13:11 AM" ) )6:13 PM
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karen .. that web link is precisely what I was talking about and posted on the document for containment and shielding
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:09:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:09:45 AM" ) )6:09 PM
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@dean : hey you just told me that it is still in the vessels - and now ?
by Matsuoko at 4/1/2011 12:08:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:08:49 AM" ) )6:08 PM
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@dean I hope the NRC is consulting with the folks who dealt with the Chernobyl disaster to see what works and what doesn't work. If the NRC tries to reinvent the wheel without checking what's been done before this disaster will never be over.
by James Ward at 4/1/2011 12:08:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:08:36 AM" ) )6:08 PM
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Images, I made crops of the big high res to pull out various things people had questions on. I double checked, the crops are not that big, I will email them. You already grabbed the original high res link.
by Nancy at 4/1/2011 12:08:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:08:26 AM" ) )6:08 PM
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@Matsuoko Thanks! So "containment" of the radiation is the only thing that can be done for now. I think I have it straight in my head now.
by Angie at 4/1/2011 12:08:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:08:24 AM" ) )6:08 PM
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WolfDK the blob of corium would contain the fuel and all metals it came in contact with like stainless steel, poison rods like hafnium or cadmium etc. the blob of fuel with the other metals is really a good thing because it makes it less dense of just fuel, remember the neutrons have to be thermalized or be low energy ones and that normally only happens with water present. they do talk of the scenario where the blob of fuel happens to form the "critical mass" or "CRITICAL ARRAY" and flashes as it goes critical.. not sustained but more like a one time event... then back to some blob form
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:07:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:07:58 AM" ) )6:07 PM
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@KT39 Stand corrected Cerium atomic no. 58
by Jim Carver at 4/1/2011 12:07:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:07:10 AM" ) )6:07 PM
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@KT39 Not Curium?
by es at 4/1/2011 12:06:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:06:49 AM" ) )6:06 PM
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@JimCarver I listened to the video a few times. I really think he said Cerium.
www.fairewinds.comby KT39 at 4/1/2011 12:05:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:05:20 AM" ) )6:05 PM
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@Peter, based on TMI and CHERNOBYL.. I belive that much of it has
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:03:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:03:39 AM" ) )6:03 PM
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@nancy images or image html files (sorry I stepped away)
by Patrick Kelley at 4/1/2011 12:03:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:03:20 AM" ) )6:03 PM
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@dean, if the fuel rods have melted wont the melt include the boron from the control rods, and thereby prevent criticality ?
by WolfDK at 4/1/2011 12:03:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:03:18 AM" ) )6:03 PM
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@KT39 Rocks from Ceres. No, they meant Cesium or Caesium
by Jim Carver at 4/1/2011 12:03:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:03:06 AM" ) )6:03 PM
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@Angie : they cannot cool it appropiately. they just spray water on it. if cooling would be optimal, they might reach a stable cool state maybe in two years. but in this case, they can only slow down the core melting. sooner or later it will melt thru the vessel, no matter what they do.
by Matsuoko at 4/1/2011 12:02:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:02:57 AM" ) )6:02 PM
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An unmanned remote controlled Vehicle will spray resin. Not a robot. Never mind.
www.japantoday.comby Scilla at 4/1/2011 12:01:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:01:58 AM" ) )6:01 PM
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the NRC will have the 30 day interim report out soon and people are waiting on it to make some changes or greater involvement from USA I think.. the report will also be used for reactors in USA.. then that will be followed by the 60 day and then the final 90 day report.. after that a longer program will be implemented by the NRC.. DOE is also doing studies and some experimentation at the national lab's to try to help
by dean at 4/1/2011 12:01:57 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:01:57 AM" ) )6:01 PM
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by
VeenOui via
Pointscope01.jp at 4/1/2011 12:01:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:01:49 AM" ) )6:01 PM
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Arnie Gundersen said in his latest video that he believes contaminated water from the trenches is leaking into the ocean. 200 tons of liquid going in and 200 tons of liquid going out (feed and bleed)
Also, Cerium detected on the ground. What is Cerium?
by KT39 at 4/1/2011 12:01:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:01:44 AM" ) )6:01 PM
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by Karen Warren at 4/1/2011 12:01:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:01:02 AM" ) )6:01 PM
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the enclosing to trap gas is a long project, but the stacks don't look to bad to get back on line, then they would need a filtration system... they probably have portable srubbers avalible
by fitter at 4/1/2011 12:00:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:00:46 AM" ) )6:00 PM
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The possibility that the corium becomes diluted through its melting of adjacent matter, to the point where criticality is no longer possible, is probably the only positive thought I've entertained in the past few days.
by Sky at 4/1/2011 12:00:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "4/1/2011 12:00:01 AM" ) )6:00 PM
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@dean, so you think it has not yet?
by Peter Melzer at 3/31/2011 11:59:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:59:51 PM" ) )5:59 PM
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Ok, Kyoda News Ticker is active but again, no mention of Govt. Takeover
by VeenOui at 3/31/2011 11:59:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:59:15 PM" ) )5:59 PM
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that web link to the photo's is excellent it's the first time I've seen those
by dean at 3/31/2011 11:59:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:59:01 PM" ) )5:59 PM
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@Dean - I like your technical thoughts and I hope those who are in a position to take such steps are reading your suggestions.
by Sky at 3/31/2011 11:58:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:58:34 PM" ) )5:58 PM
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I keep hoping that the corium or fuel material will spread and then solidify...
by dean at 3/31/2011 11:58:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:58:31 PM" ) )5:58 PM
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Didn't they say that robots would help tp spray the resin stuff? Number five is alive.
by Scilla at 3/31/2011 11:58:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:58:21 PM" ) )5:58 PM
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@Matsuoko Yes please
by Angie at 3/31/2011 11:57:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:57:17 PM" ) )5:57 PM
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@Matsuoko I do
by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 11:57:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:57:08 PM" ) )5:57 PM
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@dean reason i ask don't know what robots can do, but seem like they need to get under it or to the floor losest point and build the inside of those builldings up like a swimming pool, then pipe cooling water, they need to contain the water... it they could keep them covered how long underwater until they no longer emit steam... which is the second pathway of radiation
by fitter at 3/31/2011 11:56:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:56:53 PM" ) )5:56 PM
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@Angie : do you really want to hear my point of view on all these "experiments" ?
by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 11:56:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:56:42 PM" ) )5:56 PM
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here is the link for super absorbent ploymers (diaper material)
en.wikipedia.orgby marie rich at 3/31/2011 11:56:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:56:30 PM" ) )5:56 PM
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@Salvador, well Landsmann, we could call the thing "Putzfrau", but that would be chauvinistic.
by Peter Melzer at 3/31/2011 11:56:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:56:30 PM" ) )5:56 PM
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I think the "let it cool" is a smokescreen to buy them time.
by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 11:56:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:56:15 PM" ) )5:56 PM
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@ Matsuoko My understanding is they have to keep up with the balancing act of water, cooling and containing as best as they can until they get it cold enough to either A/ take it apart or B/ encase it. Do I have it right?
by Angie at 3/31/2011 11:54:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:54:58 PM" ) )5:54 PM
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my thoughts of a covering were,,, have separate teams working on ... 1-debris removal from top of the left over buildings..2- design a covering that would be placed over the remains of the building, with venting capabilities through a controlled and filtered system, have access to the areas where water or some form of the slurry of concrete or other medium poured in ..
by dean at 3/31/2011 11:54:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:54:43 PM" ) )5:54 PM
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@Dean: They used cameras at Chernobyl. I saw it on the documentary that Sin posted awhile back. Seems reasonable that the tech is better now than it was in the early '90s.
by Karen Warren at 3/31/2011 11:54:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:54:03 PM" ) )5:54 PM
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@patrick, I have a bunch of cropped images from the high res that I posted this morning. Do you want me to email the images or email the current URL so you can grab for picasa?
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 11:53:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:53:45 PM" ) )5:53 PM
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@dean I've posted some links back there. They are doing better with the rad reliability.
by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 11:53:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:53:16 PM" ) )5:53 PM
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fitter.. robotics are the preferred way to get close.. but they have to be able to withstand extreme radiation levels.. gamma radiation... some underwater robotics were used at TMI to look in the core...
by dean at 3/31/2011 11:52:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:52:04 PM" ) )5:52 PM
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@Matsuoko Pretty much composed of algae as I recall.
by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 11:51:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:51:43 PM" ) )5:51 PM
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@Sky Good call re links to photies.
by es at 3/31/2011 11:51:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:51:35 PM" ) )5:51 PM
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@Dean: Can we revist the tent idea? Seems to me that in doing so rad levels would go full-tilt boogey, thereby, making time within the tent limited? Am I off-base here? TIA
by Karen Warren at 3/31/2011 11:51:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:51:25 PM" ) )5:51 PM
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@caraBnr : the crusty substance is organic and just burn then,
by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 11:51:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:51:16 PM" ) )5:51 PM
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@MaryW, it ain't Watson, then.
by Peter Melzer at 3/31/2011 11:51:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:51:02 PM" ) )5:51 PM
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@caraBnr : agar is thermoplastic. not agood idea. it just burns the water out of it and the rest is a hard crusty substance.
by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 11:50:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:50:06 PM" ) )5:50 PM
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Don't make him post the pictures again. Use the "Static Record" link above www.poudreinternetservice.com and click the link for pictures. They were posted yesterday. Thanks.
by Sky edited by dean at 3/31/2011 11:50:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:50:05 PM" ) )5:50 PM
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The reason is a dust binder, might use on up to 2/3 of the complex.
by Markfm at 3/31/2011 11:49:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:49:56 PM" ) )5:49 PM
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by Patrick Kelley at 3/31/2011 11:49:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:49:53 PM" ) )5:49 PM
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I have used it in experiments and I usually buy it at Chinese food stores.... if then you could collect it with something... I guess you're right.
by caraBnr at 3/31/2011 11:49:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:49:50 PM" ) )5:49 PM
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@Markfm That's not the company website though. I can't get through to them, at least earlier.
by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 11:49:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:49:37 PM" ) )5:49 PM
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by marie rich at 3/31/2011 11:49:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:49:35 PM" ) )5:49 PM
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@Matsuoko I do not think it can be done, As I said I thought they had to get cooler first then pour. But as I also said in my post I am hearing other things, granted not from as knowledgeable people as you guys, but still reasons that seem stupid to me such as the constant reminder.
by Angie at 3/31/2011 11:49:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:49:09 PM" ) )5:49 PM
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link to news on the resin its posted in the f.faq link (top of this page)
by Markfm at 3/31/2011 11:48:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:48:34 PM" ) )5:48 PM
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@caraBnr Breaks down. Don't want anything organic. This has to be tough materials. The rocks of the Earth.
by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 11:48:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:48:20 PM" ) )5:48 PM
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@Dean: Thanks, me too. Containment would seem to be a high priortity now.
by Karen Warren at 3/31/2011 11:47:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:47:31 PM" ) )5:47 PM
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just a quick thought..... What do you all think about agar as a contaminant stabilization idea? It's a substance made by boiling seaweed that is gelatenous like diaper stuff and organic.
by caraBnr at 3/31/2011 11:46:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:46:54 PM" ) )5:46 PM
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@Dean - please can you share link of Corium @ Chernobyl again? thanks.. PS thanks for all you contribute!
by asdf at 3/31/2011 11:46:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:46:53 PM" ) )5:46 PM
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@dean with the best gear in the world made available....how close and how long can a man get to the actual cont vessel?
by fitter at 3/31/2011 11:46:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:46:48 PM" ) )5:46 PM
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I haven't Karen, I did see where they were talking about some resin spray to try to help hold down the particles from going airbourne
by dean at 3/31/2011 11:46:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:46:37 PM" ) )5:46 PM
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@dean: Saw the corium. Nasty.
by Apollo at 3/31/2011 11:46:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:46:31 PM" ) )5:46 PM
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@Dean: Have you heard or read anything else about the ground dusting or the tent?
by Karen Warren at 3/31/2011 11:45:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:45:40 PM" ) )5:45 PM
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have you all seen my pictures of the corium from chernobyl?
by dean at 3/31/2011 11:45:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:45:29 PM" ) )5:45 PM
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by marie rich at 3/31/2011 11:45:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:45:15 PM" ) )5:45 PM
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@Peter Yeah, but that would'nt have fit the context of the joke I was trying to make. Waaaay OT now.
by Salvador at 3/31/2011 11:44:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:44:48 PM" ) )5:44 PM
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@Peter Melzer Built-in tenderizer:)
by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 11:44:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:44:14 PM" ) )5:44 PM
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@Angie : how do you want to cool the reactors with concrete on them ?
by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 11:43:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:43:58 PM" ) )5:43 PM
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@KT39, that will accumulate in the steaks.
by Peter Melzer at 3/31/2011 11:43:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:43:28 PM" ) )5:43 PM
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Let's talk about the cooling down. How's it going to cool down much further? The stuff is radioactive for gosh sake?
by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 11:42:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:42:53 PM" ) )5:42 PM
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It should be tested, of course. I don't know what's in it! The half life of cesium is much longer, 30 years is that right?
by Sky at 3/31/2011 11:42:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:42:38 PM" ) )5:42 PM
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@Sky what if cesium gets into the milk?
by KT39 at 3/31/2011 11:42:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:42:03 PM" ) )5:42 PM
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@Sky, yup powder the milk and wait ten half-lives.
by Peter Melzer at 3/31/2011 11:41:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:41:43 PM" ) )5:41 PM
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@Peter Melzer Hey, I'm german, I know what it means. But translating the noun instead of the verb would've killed the feable joke I was trying to make.
by Salvador at 3/31/2011 11:40:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:40:52 PM" ) )5:40 PM
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@Sky yep
by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 11:40:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:40:38 PM" ) )5:40 PM
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@MaryW They can dump the milk in a hotspot and it would probably dilute the radiation readings there.
by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 11:40:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:40:25 PM" ) )5:40 PM
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@Xd think it's more it's not the solution *right now*, i.e. they have to wait a bit for it to cool down first
by sims at 3/31/2011 11:40:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:40:16 PM" ) )5:40 PM
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@MaryW, if the major contaminant in the dumped milk is radioiodine, then after 1 half life 8 days, the radiation is half what it was, after another 8 days it's half of that (1/4 of original) and so forth until the radiation is negligible after, say, 80 days. Somebody check my math but that's the principle of half-life.
by Sky at 3/31/2011 11:39:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:39:54 PM" ) )5:39 PM
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@Brad: I used caution when reading or listening to expert opinion. All of the TV/news stations have their so-called 'experts' on hand. As far as coverage on this story, CNN is the best at reporting - does its due diligence. Fox is off the radar and MSNBC is a no-go for me.
by Karen Warren at 3/31/2011 11:39:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:39:39 PM" ) )5:39 PM
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@miles, in the news article you posted, Both experts agreed that burying the plants by cement is NOT a solution. So how else can they ever stop this ?
by Xd at 3/31/2011 11:39:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:39:10 PM" ) )5:39 PM
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if i read the spec correct they list a vertical reach of 227'4"
by fitter at 3/31/2011 11:39:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:39:09 PM" ) )5:39 PM
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Morning all! Ok so please tell me again why they can’t just pour concrete now? I thought it had to get cooler before they pour but I am probably wrong. I am asking this as I have heard some very wild reasons why they won’t concrete, one of them being they do not want a constant reminder of the accident sitting there as Chernobyl is. Sorry I know this has been covered some where I just can’t find it and Google just brings up more wild stories on the topic, so I thought I would go to you knowledgeable people so I can get the right reason. Thanks!
by Angie at 3/31/2011 11:39:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:39:06 PM" ) )5:39 PM
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@Salvador, no, no, "Putz" in this context means plaster, the finish on a brick wall.
by Peter Melzer at 3/31/2011 11:38:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:38:47 PM" ) )5:38 PM
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yeah, 200 ft, not 200 m. okay.
by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 11:38:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:38:18 PM" ) )5:38 PM
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@sims Another earthquake I don't even want to think about. But I do, of course.
by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 11:38:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:38:11 PM" ) )5:38 PM
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@Brad: think it's more which approach you take to the waste removal, in the UK authorities seem to take the 'let's wait a few decades and then gradually remove the stuff'-approach it seems.. the longer you wait the easier/cheaper it gets after all... unless inconvenient things like new earthquakes mess everything up
by sims at 3/31/2011 11:37:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:37:03 PM" ) )5:37 PM
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opps, i hit enter to soon. Continued: Is there a possibility that this dumped milk will enter the streams, rivers, wells, etc?
by MaryW at 3/31/2011 11:36:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:36:30 PM" ) )5:36 PM
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@all has anybody checked daini status they were having problems earlier . As they are so close will readings higher than reported at Daichi present problems there?
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 11:36:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:36:25 PM" ) )5:36 PM
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@MaryW More low level waste.
by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 11:36:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:36:19 PM" ) )5:36 PM
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@Salvador : no, "Putz" also means the cement coating in english. :)
by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 11:35:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:35:28 PM" ) )5:35 PM
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Same article ""The final thing is that the reactors will have to be closed and the fuel removed, and that is 50 to 100 years away." How long to gain access at TMI, which had a lot more containment than the current situation? How much ground was contaminated at TMI?
by Brad at 3/31/2011 11:35:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:35:14 PM" ) )5:35 PM
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Since we're on the cow/milk subject, I posted a comment a few hours back and got no bites on it. My question was, and still is, in regards to the milk that is being dumped in Fukushima Pref. This contaminated milk is soaking into the soil. Is there a concern that the soil will become highly contaminated at these sites?
by MaryW at 3/31/2011 11:35:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:35:03 PM" ) )5:35 PM
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by sims at 3/31/2011 11:34:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:34:55 PM" ) )5:34 PM
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@elainekirk - that's a good point.
by Stormy at 3/31/2011 11:34:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:34:36 PM" ) )5:34 PM
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@sims : i read it from a German source they never use feet .... but maybe .....
by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 11:34:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:34:16 PM" ) )5:34 PM
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"Putzmeister" ROFL What a fitting name if they ever use those pumps to build a sacrophagus. Literal translation of the name is "cleaning master". I should add that this is just a coincidence.
by Salvador at 3/31/2011 11:33:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:33:56 PM" ) )5:33 PM
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@VeenOui @Stormy I wonder if/how they'll decontaminate the milk-holding tank, semi trucks, hoses...I wonder if any agencies will be checking to make sure that's done. This is where contamination of the food chain supply will get even trickier. Someone will really need to make sure things are “clean.”
by KT39 at 3/31/2011 11:33:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:33:54 PM" ) )5:33 PM
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Only thing I can really be sure of is that they consistently underestimate the severity when it comes to these things.
by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 11:33:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:33:50 PM" ) )5:33 PM
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@Brad: 100 years to remove the rods? Here's an article from Tuesday that seems a little bit more reasonable.
www.bloomberg.com by Karen Warren at 3/31/2011 11:33:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:33:40 PM" ) )5:33 PM
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by Yuri at 3/31/2011 11:33:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:33:28 PM" ) )5:33 PM
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@KT39, that is why ruminants concentrate the activity up so well.
by Peter Melzer at 3/31/2011 11:32:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:32:58 PM" ) )5:32 PM
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Work to control reactors suspended - alarming rises in radiation levels at plant
rt.com by Paul (UK) at 3/31/2011 11:32:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:32:50 PM" ) )5:32 PM
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@dean @all are there any liquid/fluids use on sealing/repairing blast furnaces that might wok...
by fitter at 3/31/2011 11:32:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:32:49 PM" ) )5:32 PM
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michael orban posted this on FB. Defense.gov News Article: U.S. Marine Team to Aid Japan Recovery Effort
www.defense.gov
WASHINGTON, March 31, 2011 A team of Marines specifically trained to operate in chemical, biological, nuclear and radiological environments is deploying to Japan, Defense Department officials said today.
by marie rich at 3/31/2011 11:32:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:32:36 PM" ) )5:32 PM
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@Matsuoko think that's 200 feet, longest one is 70m afaik
by sims at 3/31/2011 11:31:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:31:52 PM" ) )5:31 PM
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@fitter : one Putzmeister pump has a 200 meter arm - wow.
by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 11:31:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:31:28 PM" ) )5:31 PM
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Still nothing from Kyodo.just a Toyota Article....but not Govt. Takover no no radiation found via Baptist article........that's just unlike them
by VeenOui at 3/31/2011 11:31:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:31:18 PM" ) )5:31 PM
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@Matsuoko I don't know. I'm afraid the jury's still out on that one. If you pollute the ocean that badly, the whole planet goes with it.
by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 11:31:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:31:17 PM" ) )5:31 PM
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In order to retrieve any fuel damaged would be a huge undertaking and at a very very high radiation level... my estimation is that they will leave it there
by dean at 3/31/2011 11:30:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:30:38 PM" ) )5:30 PM
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@stormy I would imagine they are testing at milking stage to prevent contamination of tankers
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 11:30:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:30:03 PM" ) )5:30 PM
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'm all for safely removing problems. The Guillotine for some Tepco heads would be a good first step.
by Salvador at 3/31/2011 11:29:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:29:49 PM" ) )5:29 PM
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@Brad: Seeing the expert is from the UK, 50 years seems to be the accepted decomissioning time for such issues.. they're only just finishing up the clean-up for the windscale fire from the 50s..
by sims at 3/31/2011 11:29:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:29:42 PM" ) )5:29 PM
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yes I do matsuoko
by dean at 3/31/2011 11:29:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:29:14 PM" ) )5:29 PM
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(Oops) "A nuclear expert has warned that it might be 100 years before melting fuel rods can be safely removed from Japan's Fukushima nuclear plant." "Both experts agree capping the damaged reactors with concrete is not an option. "
www.abc.net.auby Brad at 3/31/2011 11:28:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:28:08 PM" ) )5:28 PM
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"Both experts agree capping the damaged reactors with concrete is not an option."
by Brad at 3/31/2011 11:27:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:27:21 PM" ) )5:27 PM
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@dean : do you think the coriums are still in the vessel ?
by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 11:27:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:27:12 PM" ) )5:27 PM
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@VeenOui - I would guess they didn't wait for the milk to get to store shelves. They probably tested it in its raw state.
by Stormy at 3/31/2011 11:26:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:26:53 PM" ) )5:26 PM
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@KT39 90 LBS in one day ??..no way they can make lowfat milk than huh ? :-)
by VeenOui at 3/31/2011 11:26:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:26:03 PM" ) )5:26 PM
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@Jim Carver don't i am having issues with my commputor locking up, but i limited on were i can go and i think it was on msnbc, just went to see if i could find it and they have an artice that 3 or 4 more pumping trucks are on thier way from germeny and US... first to pump water then to entomb.. maybe if the jgot is in charge, they will let the other countries get this fixed
by fitter at 3/31/2011 11:26:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:26:00 PM" ) )5:26 PM
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@Matsuoko: except for the lack of sea to dump your nuclear contamination into that is i assume
by sims at 3/31/2011 11:25:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:25:22 PM" ) )5:25 PM
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@Sims I guess we need to look for the effects of corium on geologic substrates
by Miles at 3/31/2011 11:25:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:25:12 PM" ) )5:25 PM
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@Salvator: Thank you. Looks like it's just a market related/financial infusion. Not sure what a <50% ownership will do in terms of control. Pure speculation here: There was a hint of news concerning workers leaving so the GoJ might be giving a message to assure the subcontractors at TEPCO. @Jim: I do not think that either are anywhere close to being bedfellows. Actually, it's pretty clear that they hold each other in contempt.
by Karen Warren at 3/31/2011 11:24:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:24:51 PM" ) )5:24 PM
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@VeenOui You're welcome. Also, one cow eats 90 pounds of food in one day.
by KT39 at 3/31/2011 11:24:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:24:43 PM" ) )5:24 PM
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@Miles : from a geological point, chernobyl was obviously easier to handle.
by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 11:24:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:24:23 PM" ) )5:24 PM
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@KT39 Thank you, had no idea it goes that fast...
by VeenOui at 3/31/2011 11:23:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:23:33 PM" ) )5:23 PM
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@Miles I was of the impression they only dug those tunnels because Chernobyl was not built on bedrock, so there was a risk of the core seeping into the water table etc. and they had to fill it up with concrete (and the original liquid nitrogen plan was to freeze the ground to make it solid enough top stop that) .. but if the NPP is already on sufficiently hard ground that presumably wouldn't be needed
by sims at 3/31/2011 11:23:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:23:31 PM" ) )5:23 PM
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I should be surprised at this but I am not. I don't like to get involved with too much political affairs in this disaster but as I said earlier.. it's time for a management change and the involvement of international experts who will begin to give accurate non-biased information
by dean at 3/31/2011 11:22:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:22:20 PM" ) )5:22 PM
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@VeenOui FROM COW TO STORE:
1. Cow is milked.
2. Milk is pumped into pre-cooler that cools milk from 101 degrees to 78 degrees
3. From there it's pumped into a milkholding tank which cools it to 38 degrees in minutes.
4. Milk is pumped from milk tank to semi trucks every 2 days
5. The milk goes to the nearest plant where milk samples are tested in a lab
6. The milk is then homogenized, pasteurized and Vitamin D is added
7. From cow to store basically takes 2 days (in large dairy farms)
by KT39 at 3/31/2011 11:21:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:21:23 PM" ) )5:21 PM
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@Matsuoko Yes, I have seen films of those poor guys digging the tunnel. Do you think Fukushima is built on bedrock? I suppose if they get enough workers and machinery, they can dig/blast/drill through anything.
by Miles at 3/31/2011 11:21:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:21:04 PM" ) )5:21 PM
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by Patrick Kelley at 3/31/2011 11:19:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:19:40 PM" ) )5:19 PM
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@Miles : in chernobyl they dug a tunnel under the core and cooled it from there with nitrogen. when it was relatively cool, they built the tomb. but in fukushima i believe they cannot go under the plant because of the very solid underground.
by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 11:18:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:18:30 PM" ) )5:18 PM
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going to read it.. ty elaine
by dean at 3/31/2011 11:18:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:18:15 PM" ) )5:18 PM
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by Apollo at 3/31/2011 11:17:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:17:46 PM" ) )5:17 PM
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@Matsuoko There's no telling how far down it will burn but at least an underground dam could help lessen the water contamination? ha - It will have to be extremely deep perhaps!
by Miles at 3/31/2011 11:15:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:15:25 PM" ) )5:15 PM
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@fitter Haven't seen that yet. Have link?
by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 11:15:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:15:18 PM" ) )5:15 PM
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@Salvador Thanks for those snippets... So basically they're saying 'something else is going on' in Unit 2.
by es at 3/31/2011 11:14:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:14:08 PM" ) )5:14 PM
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@Jim Carver did you see revist on groundwater question i had earlie...report i say stated it was taken 45' down (don't have any verification) but would that be quick aborstion or slow.....
by fitter at 3/31/2011 11:13:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:13:47 PM" ) )5:13 PM
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I hope the govt. will call in the military after TEPCO disappears. They need way more help!
by Miles at 3/31/2011 11:13:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:13:38 PM" ) )5:13 PM
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@Miles : the corium would still burn its way downwards ...
by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 11:13:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:13:33 PM" ) )5:13 PM
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@Jim Carver thank you
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 11:12:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:12:53 PM" ) )5:12 PM
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Here the complete reuters report: "TOKYO (Reuters) - TOKYO, April 1 | Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:40pm EDT
TOKYO (Reuters) - TOKYO, April 1 (Reuters) - Japan's government plans to take control of Tokyo Electric Power Co (9501.T), the operator of a stricken nuclear power plant, by injecting public funds, the Mainichi newspaper said on Friday.
But the government is unlikely to take more than a 50 percent stake in the company, an unnamed government official was quoted by the daily as saying.
"If the stake goes over 50 percent, it will be nationalized. But that's not what we are considering," the official was quoted by the paper as saying.
The company, also known as TEPCO, has come under fire for its handling of the emergency at its Fukushima Daichi nuclear complex, triggered by a March 11 earthquake and tsunami that left more than 27,500 people dead or missing.
Mainichi quoted an unnamed government official as saying: "It will be a type of injection that will allow the government to have a certain level of (management) involvement."
A series of missteps and mistakes, combined with scant signs of leadership, have further undermined confidence in the company. Poor communication has led to some heated exchanges in media conferences as journalists demanded information.
TEPCO could face compensation claims topping $130 billion if Japan's worst nuclear crisis dragged on, Bank of America-Merrill Lynch estimated this week, further fuelling expectations Japan's government will step in to save Asia's largest utility.
Investor concern about the future of Tokyo Electric mounted after its president, Masataka Shimizu, was admitted to hospital and the company said on Wednesday that 2 trillion yen ($24 billion) in emergency loans from Japan's major banks would not cover its mounting costs.
Liabilities for compensation claims alone could be up to 11 trillion yen ($133 billion) -- nearly four times TEPCO's equity -- if the nuclear crisis drags on for two years, an analyst at Bank of America Merrill Lynch wrote in a report.
TEPCO shares are down almost 80 percent since the disaster.
Bank of America-Merrill Lynch said shareholders were very likely to take a big hit and a rapid resolution of the crisis was the only way to keep costs down.
If the situation can be turned around within the next two months, compensation costs may be less than 1 trillion yen. Costs will rise to 3 trillion yen if it drags on for six months, analyst Yusuke Ueda wrote.
Experts, however, say a final resolution of the nuclear disaster is likely to take decades and there could be many further setbacks.
TEPCO could burn through 2 trillion yen in about a year, said CLSA equity analyst Penn Bowers, as it pays extra for fuel to run its thermal plants, among other costs.
TEPCO has around $91 billion in debt including some $64 billion in bonds. That excludes about $24 billion recently secured in loans from domestic lenders.
At the end of December, TEPCO had equity of about $35 billion, its accounts show."
www.reuters.comby Salvador at 3/31/2011 11:12:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:12:48 PM" ) )5:12 PM
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@Karen Warren Maybe. I wonder if it really makes a difference. The gov't and Tepco are pretty much in bed. I think they're just using it as PR. International community is about the get in pretty soon, then it's really a mess.
by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 11:12:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:12:31 PM" ) )5:12 PM
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@Karen Warren Anything to get rid of those bungling idiots at Tepco.
by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 11:10:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:10:44 PM" ) )5:10 PM
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My idea to get construction started before the sarcophagus - encircle the reactor complex with a very, very deep ditch (below sea level) and fill it with hydraulic concrete (hydraulic concrete will harden in wet conditions).
by Miles at 3/31/2011 11:10:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:10:44 PM" ) )5:10 PM
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@NHK Listener what field are you in, if you don't mind me asking... it helps to know who's in what field... no reason to ask a question when no one out there in that field.. i'm trying to get a mental directory.... or maybe i'm just going mental
by fitter at 3/31/2011 11:08:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:08:39 PM" ) )5:08 PM
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@Jim Carver: Booyah x 2... BTW, this nationalization thing is a game changer.
by Karen Warren at 3/31/2011 11:08:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:08:21 PM" ) )5:08 PM
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by es at 3/31/2011 11:07:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:07:58 PM" ) )5:07 PM
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BTW All internet postings of readings/measurements/reports from TEPCO and JAIF are now archived.
by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 11:07:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:07:01 PM" ) )5:07 PM
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The (IMHO) most interesting snippets from the "Union of concerned scientiests" press conference for the 31. of march: "(...) There was an issue with the Unit 2 spent fuel pool last night. The Japanese safety authority reported that there was a malfunction in the electrically driven pump that was feeding water into the Unit 2 spent fuel pool. They switched to a fire hose, but the fire hose had cracks in it, and they couldn't use it, and so for some period of time, cooling was stopped. According to the IEA, pumping has now been restored, although I'm not clear what they're using actually to do that.(...) REPORTER: Hi, yes, good morning. So, I have a question regarding safety. Given the lack of credibility right now that TEPCO has in Japan, even assessing the amount of radiation in the water, giving false readings or mistaken readings, given that the control centers, from what we last heard, still don't have power, critical instruments needed for making critical measurements still aren't working, and the damage done to the buildings from the earthquake itself, making it hard to assess what's, in fact, going on. The footage we've seen has been pretty frightening in terms of cave-ins and a jangle of wires and pipes sticking out of windows.
To what extent do you think TEPCO is playing a guessing game and how accurate is their assessment of what's going on? And do people in Japan -- I just got back from there. I was covering this story for a couple of weeks. To what extent do you think they have a right to be vary nervous or do you think they're overreacting?
DR. LYMAN: Thanks for your question.
I mean, I think it's clear that there is severe deficiencies in the ability of TEPCO to assess the current and ongoing situation in the reactors. They do have some instrumentation. They do report some values for pressure and temperature, but there are indicators that are repeatedly unreliable or out of service. So, you know, they're flying partially blind, at least.
I think it's more or less symptom-based at this point, is that they're throwing water in what they can't see and hoping that they don't get more radiation out than they're now seeing, you know, and they just have to treat the symptoms, but the only real symptom or the only real cure is more water.
So, it's pretty crude, and we don't know exactly what's going on, and I think there's still risk that there could be the inability to provide enough cooling to make sure that there isn't further damage to the fuel or to the vessels or the containment.
Again, the fact that they're encountering, you know, these larges sources of contaminated water and still are unable to say exactly where it's coming from is troubling, because, you know, if you don't know where it's coming from, then, you know, it would be very hard to stop it. So, if you just keep on doing what you're doing, you don't know how to fix the problem, and you may just end up with more of the same. So, I think there is cause for concern.
The one thing that's working in their favor is time, and the longer they wait, the longer they can defer any significant breach to a vessel or containment, the less iodine there is, and that at least is one bright spot. But I think there's still significant risks that there could be further damage to the cores or the spent fuel pools and we might see further radiological releases to the atmosphere.
There's clearly measurable increases in the release to seawater, and I'm not sure they understand where that's coming from either. So, if you don't know where these leaks are coming from, then it's going to be very hard to stop them. (...)DR. LYMAN: With regard to breach, I mean, the authorities -- TEPCO themselves have said they think that the high level of contamination in turbine building number 2, which is still, I believe, much higher than it is in 1 or even 3, is an indication that something else is going on there, and they believe that there's been some breach of the containment. So, I think it's plausible.
I'm not sure that it couldn't be explained without a significant breach, but just a leak, but, again, you know, if they don't -- if they can't even hazard a guess, I wouldn't even try.
You know, the suggestion that -- well, first of all, there is a high level of iodine 131 in that water. So, that does suggest that it was water that had come in contact with the core as opposed to discharged from the spent fuel pool, but it's also plausible that there was iodine 131 released in plumes, that that plated out or that settled over the whole area, and that could have been washed also into this water. So, you know, again, I really can't hazard a guess at this point.
But all I can say as the authorities concluded, even the U.S. NRC said in congressional testimony yesterday that they believe that Units 2 and 3 have compromised containment, this is a big change from the same official statement two weeks ago where they said they believed the containments of all units were functional. So, even the U.S. has changed its view on that.(...)"
www.ucsusa.orgby Salvador at 3/31/2011 11:03:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:03:12 PM" ) )5:03 PM
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@marie rich : i think it gets clearer and clearer that the three vessels leak.
by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 11:03:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:03:09 PM" ) )5:03 PM
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I swear on that report they still had reading for I at 2.9 GBq/cm3
by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 11:03:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:03:03 PM" ) )5:03 PM
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VeenOui via
Pointscope01.jp at 3/31/2011 11:02:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:02:15 PM" ) )5:02 PM
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@VeenOui The article that was in japanese.. I understood it that there might be public outcry
by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 11:01:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:01:43 PM" ) )5:01 PM
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@es @all I have moved es's post to above so people can access it easily
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 11:01:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:01:27 PM" ) )5:01 PM
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@Rob in SF: The Reuters link on GoJ takeover doesn't work. Geez! I said it was going to happen when Dean was here a couple of hours ago. @Anyone: Has this been confirmed?
by Karen Warren at 3/31/2011 11:01:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:01:11 PM" ) )5:01 PM
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@VeenOui They started that with the 10 mil report. Then when they scaled it down to 100 000 everyone was "relieved".
by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 11:00:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:00:42 PM" ) )5:00 PM
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WHY is Kyodo completly without News Ticker ? .they post every little financial detail / plans but no word on Govt. Tepco takeover?.....nada zilch updates?
by VeenOui at 3/31/2011 11:00:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 11:00:26 PM" ) )5:00 PM
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@Nancy That's Right!!! I forgat... No leaks at this plant....
by marie rich at 3/31/2011 10:59:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:59:44 PM" ) )4:59 PM
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@es we need to keep that link and someone needs to bring it to Jo's attention
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 10:59:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:59:40 PM" ) )4:59 PM
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@Matsuoko To avoid public panic?
by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 10:59:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:59:19 PM" ) )4:59 PM
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@Jay77 That is their new tactic...release inflated numbers, than scale them down so that people go .ok not so bad.but when you look at it...it's BAD !
by VeenOui at 3/31/2011 10:59:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:59:06 PM" ) )4:59 PM
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@Marie, which leaks?
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 10:58:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:58:57 PM" ) )4:58 PM
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@Jay77 : i suspect GoJ makes tepco withdraw certain news.
by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 10:58:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:58:46 PM" ) )4:58 PM
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@es That is unbelieveable (10,000x groundwater number may be a mistake). I think someone joked sarcastically earlier that they might try to retract it if it turns out to upset people. Low and behold!
by Jay77 at 3/31/2011 10:57:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:57:31 PM" ) )4:57 PM
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@NHK Listener : there are lots of books about tepco.
by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 10:57:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:57:25 PM" ) )4:57 PM
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@Matsuoko About the great conspiracy of tepco.
by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 10:56:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:56:39 PM" ) )4:56 PM
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@marie rich without a blueprint I could only guess where the leak is..
by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 10:56:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:56:20 PM" ) )4:56 PM
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@NHK Listener : why should i write a book ?
by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 10:55:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:55:48 PM" ) )4:55 PM
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If you guys/gals analyzing the phots can come up with an idea where the leaks might be, that would be radically good. They're in the thick of things and only have time to react. we have time to respond
by marie rich at 3/31/2011 10:55:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:55:21 PM" ) )4:55 PM
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@Jim Carver - rad sheet you made is great, really needed ref. Fitter had a question for you on the other site at 2:35 did you get it? They were having a discussion earlier in the day on ground water aquifers etc. I guess he thought the geologist should weigh in? @dyan That's one thing I've been thinking also. Need to research that a bit. Really busy, unless we hadn't noticed, but my gut feeling is that we're not looking at as big of a problem as we might be in many other places, such as where I live here in Texas, which is composed of limestone and sandstone. Japan is a volcanic island composed of basaltic minerals and it's not that porous or permeable either. That doesn't mean there's no cause for alarm. The fact that the storage capacity of the aquifer may be small, may mean that water with suspended solids may cycle faster. This is the nightmare 'China Syndrome', that it gets into the groundwater and leaves the area uninhabitable for centuries. This is the thing that I have been worrying about since the start. I have to do some homework to be sure what I am talking about. But some contamination of the groundwater is inevitable.
by Jim Carver at 3/31/2011 10:54:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:54:32 PM" ) )4:54 PM
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@Matsuoko @LM Yeah, sigh.
by es at 3/31/2011 10:54:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:54:18 PM" ) )4:54 PM
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@marie rich I am a nobody. Although I have heard there are job openings for rad techs in japan with pretty big bonuses if you stay at least six months.. :-0 Mid six figures
by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 10:54:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:54:12 PM" ) )4:54 PM
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@elainkirk I'm sorry, I don't know how to do that.
by KT39 at 3/31/2011 10:52:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:52:33 PM" ) )4:52 PM
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ooops "http://www9.nhk.or.jp/kabun-blog/500/"
by Angela5pointo at 3/31/2011 10:52:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:52:21 PM" ) )4:52 PM
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@Rob have you seen what NHK news has posted, they post readings now
by Angela5pointo at 3/31/2011 10:52:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:52:07 PM" ) )4:52 PM
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@NHK Listener I think they're going to be ready to do any desparate thing, if things deteriorate.. I noticed the article said they were ready for help from anybody!!! WE'RE sombodys :)
by marie rich at 3/31/2011 10:51:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:51:45 PM" ) )4:51 PM
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Anyone seen any recent readings on iodine 134? Given it's 53 minute half-life it's pretty telling as to what's going on...
by Rob in SF at 3/31/2011 10:51:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:51:21 PM" ) )4:51 PM
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@es I noticed someone had posted a link earlier mentioning that they were questioning the 10000X in groundwater and bet that they would lower the number.....
by LM at 3/31/2011 10:51:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:51:19 PM" ) )4:51 PM
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@Matsuoko Then write a book about it.. We can help with the subtle details..
by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 10:51:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:51:11 PM" ) )4:51 PM
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Sorry, hit enter too quick, Heat RISES. So if there is a breach in the bottom of the reactor, and its melting through the heat will pull the water out of the containment vessel (which is breached and has outside air pressure now). But it will heat that water into steam and cause it to suck the water up from the CV below it. This will cause a negative pressure in the reactor vessel.
by wtm at 3/31/2011 10:50:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:50:39 PM" ) )4:50 PM
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@marie rich I have no doubt that they have many contingency plans in the mix.. And I also have no doubt that concrete is one of them.. I just don't think it is anything but last resort..
by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 10:49:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:49:54 PM" ) )4:49 PM
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@es : this is ascandal.
by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 10:49:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:49:50 PM" ) )4:49 PM
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@elaine Those are some monsters for sure. I agree with NHK.. they need to reduce heat and get some stability first. They didn't start Chernobyl's concrete work until 8-9 months after the explosion. AND... they had multitudes of workers.
by Miles at 3/31/2011 10:49:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:49:22 PM" ) )4:49 PM
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@Angela5pointo@VeenOui: I have always assumed religion-based organizations will go where the need is, even it that means putting their volunteers at risk. Their God will help their causes.
by MaryW at 3/31/2011 10:49:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:49:15 PM" ) )4:49 PM
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i think they'll start sending their numbers through the PR department before releasing them soon..
by sims at 3/31/2011 10:48:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:48:18 PM" ) )4:48 PM
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@nhk listener Thank you I thought maybe they were just for water and msm was 'building' the concrete into the story :)
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 10:48:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:48:17 PM" ) )4:48 PM
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@wtm Yes, manual valve?!!! "Standby Liquid Control System
The standby liquid control system injects a neutron poison (boron) into the reactor vessel to shutdown the chain reaction, independent of the control rods, and maintains the reactor shutdown as the plant is cooled to maintenance temperatures.
The standby liquid control system consists of a heated storage tank, two positive displacement pumps, two explosive valves, and the piping necessary to inject the neutron absorbing solution into the reactor vessel. The standby liquid control system is manually initiated and provides the operator with a relatively slow method of achieving reactor shutdown conditions. Emergency Core Cooling Systems
The emergency core cooling systems (ECCS) provide core cooling under loss of coolant accident
conditions to limit fuel cladding damage. The emergency core cooling systems consist of two high
pressure and two low pressure systems. The high pressure systems are the high pressure coolant
injection (HPCI) system and the automatic depressurization system (ADS). The low pressure systems are the low pressure coolant injection (LPCI) mode of the residual heat removal system and the core spray (CS) system.
The manner in which the emergency core cooling systems operate to protect the core is a function of the rate at which reactor coolant inventory is lost from the break in the nuclear system process barrier. The high pressure coolant injection system is designed to operate while the nuclear system is at high pressure.
The core spray system and low pressure coolant injection mode of the residual heat removal system are designed for operation at low pressures. If the break in the nuclear system process barrier is of such a size that the loss of coolant exceeds the capability of the high pressure coolant injection system, reactor pressure decreases at a rate fast enough for the low pressure emergency core cooling systems to commence coolant injection into the reactor vessel in time to cool the core.
Automatic depressurization is provided to automatically reduce reactor pressure if a break has occurred and the high pressure coolant injection system is inoperable. Rapid depressurization of the reactor is desirable to permit flow from the low pressure emergency core cooling systems so that the temperature rise in the core is limited to less than regulatory requirements.
If, for a given break size, the high pressure coolant injection system has the capacity to make up for all of the coolant loss, flow from the low pressure emergency core cooling systems is not required for core cooling protection until reactor pressure has decreased below approximately 100 psig.
The performance of the emergency core cooling systems as an integrated package can be evaluated by determining what is left after the postulated break and a single failure of one of the emergency core cooing systems. The remaining emergency core cooling systems and components must meet the 10 CFR requirements over the entire spectrum of break locations and sizes. The integrated performance for small, intermediate, and large sized breaks is shown on pages 3-11 and 3-12.
by Rob in SF at 3/31/2011 10:48:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:48:16 PM" ) )4:48 PM
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@wtm. Why?
by Sky at 3/31/2011 10:48:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:48:04 PM" ) )4:48 PM
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@NHK Listener I've totally believed the trucks are for dual use, as I do the U.S. Navy is. It only makes logistic sense to have them on hand, in a staging area.
by marie rich at 3/31/2011 10:47:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:47:53 PM" ) )4:47 PM
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It just dawned on me why the reactor pressures on # 2 & 3 are in the negative !!
by wtm at 3/31/2011 10:46:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:46:34 PM" ) )4:46 PM
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@MaryW Nope, Quake and Nuclear crisis is still FREE
by VeenOui at 3/31/2011 10:46:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:46:13 PM" ) )4:46 PM
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@MaryW the link I posted is the same article about no radiation too :)
by Angela5pointo at 3/31/2011 10:43:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:43:24 PM" ) )4:43 PM
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@elainekirk They did fly in the pump trucks for sure though.. As for concrete? I still dont think that is an option for them
by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 10:43:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:43:02 PM" ) )4:43 PM
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@Veenoui: Kyodo News' Summary and other reports are only available if you pay your fee and are a subscriber. For all we know the government may have announced its take over. Does anyone subscribe to it? if you do, please share the information. thanks
by MaryW at 3/31/2011 10:42:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:42:40 PM" ) )4:42 PM
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@miles this news report just came up
www.msnbc.msn.com but I think we need to verify the story
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 10:41:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:41:58 PM" ) )4:41 PM
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It might also be the case that they were trying to save the units rather than trying to do a permanent emergency shutdown of the reactors, and then things got away from them with the explosions and they no longer had those other emergency options available !!!
by wtm at 3/31/2011 10:41:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:41:42 PM" ) )4:41 PM
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The location mentioned in that "no radiation" article is "200 miles" from Fukushima, somewhere near Tokyo evidently.
by Sky at 3/31/2011 10:40:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:40:20 PM" ) )4:40 PM
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by Angela5pointo at 3/31/2011 10:39:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:39:52 PM" ) )4:39 PM
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Has anyone heard any news on the plans for a sarcophagus? I was reading on Chernobyl's attempts and discovered that the concrete has been cracked for several years (100 sq. meters total!. Now they are planning a steel structure to cover the concrete.
by Miles at 3/31/2011 10:38:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:38:33 PM" ) )4:38 PM
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Thanks for the GE diagrams, note on page 3-9 that there was an "emergency poison pill" available to kill the reactor in case of an emergency, by dumping boron directly into the reactor, (but valve was manual, inside building). Also several emergency cooling systems were built in, in case of normal cooling was lost. I wonder if the hydrogen explosion wiped out the use of these, and they could not either be used or they could not get to them inside to use them. The GE diagram really has some good info in it. thanks !!!
by wtm at 3/31/2011 10:38:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:38:25 PM" ) )4:38 PM
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@Miles: I hope they have banned beef from the affected areas in that case.
by Optim at 3/31/2011 10:36:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:36:44 PM" ) )4:36 PM
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@KT39 could you add those news items to the News Roundup please
fukushimafaq.wikispaces.com There is a sticky link above for everybody to post topical news items
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 10:35:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:35:06 PM" ) )4:35 PM
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@Optim I would think as soon as the food is digested and passes into the bloodstream it would begin 'infecting' the meat (muscle tissue). I hope the Kobe beef farmers protect their cattle - so delicious!
by Miles at 3/31/2011 10:34:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:34:16 PM" ) )4:34 PM
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This may be the source of the GoJ takeover of TEPCO (Google let me translate to English, not sure about other browsers):
mainichi.jp by Ann edited by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 10:33:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:33:19 PM" ) )4:33 PM
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Weird, that KYODO doesn't have the Govt. takeover as News Advisory ??
by VeenOui at 3/31/2011 10:31:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:31:55 PM" ) )4:31 PM
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Hi all. I have a question regarding the beef found with more radioactivity than stipulated limit. How long does it take for cows to eat grass that will make their "beef" more radioactive than stipulated meat. I am sure this radioactivity must be over last 10-15 days. It means radioactivity is already in the grass,soil where the cows fed..Isn't it a sign of danger?
by Optim at 3/31/2011 10:31:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:31:36 PM" ) )4:31 PM
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by Miles at 3/31/2011 10:30:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:30:32 PM" ) )4:30 PM
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@VeenOui You are most welcome.
by LM at 3/31/2011 10:29:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:29:19 PM" ) )4:29 PM
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Related U.S. News:
NEBRASKA---SOUTH CAROLINA---KANSAS – U.S. Steps Up Inspections at Three Nuclear Power Plants located in Nebraska, South Carolina and Kansas – all rated Level 3 on a scale of 1 to 5 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703806304576234890646042996.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_RIGHTTopCarousel
FLORIDA: Crystal River Nuclear Power Plant in Florida discovers “new cracks in the reactor building" http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/energy/crystal-river-nuclear-startup-again-delayed-as-costs-approach-500-million/1157496
CALIFORNIA - Updating their emergency procedures:
online.wsj.com
The Future of Nuclear Energy in the U.S. www.npr.orgby KT39 at 3/31/2011 10:24:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:24:17 PM" ) )4:24 PM
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by Rob in SF edited by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 10:22:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:22:52 PM" ) )4:22 PM
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Ironic, US sending robots to Japan... Qinetiq robo-loaders heading to Fukushima i.i.com.com
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Rob in SF via
I.i at 3/31/2011 10:17:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:17:10 PM" ) )4:17 PM
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Dr. Michio Kaku is giving a live interview on TV and giving his view that it is "3 raging meltdowns". He says he hopes the situation will not degenerate into all personnel having to evacuate the area and therefore no longer being able to add cooling water as has been done on an ongoing basis. I heard part of it (trouble with slow web connection, could not hear it all) and from the part I listened to he did not seem to be presenting any new hard data/information, just his extrapolations of possibilities along the lines that others have already extrapolated, but perhaps taking things a bit further than other commentators have been willing to do on the record. Link: -->
www.naturalnews.tv by Sky at 3/31/2011 10:17:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:17:03 PM" ) )4:17 PM
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by Scilla at 3/31/2011 10:15:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:15:19 PM" ) )4:15 PM
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REUTERSFLASH ReutersBreakingNews
Japan govt to take control of Tokyo Electric Power via public fund injection - Mainichi newspaper
by VeenOui at 3/31/2011 10:13:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:13:31 PM" ) )4:13 PM
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by kgriff edited by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 10:12:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:12:07 PM" ) )4:12 PM
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Univ. of Koln has updated their concentration estimates in their atmospheric model to agree with CTBTO... likely still too low:
www.eurad.uni-koeln.deby Bobby1 edited by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 10:09:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:09:34 PM" ) )4:09 PM
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@elainekirk Thanks, i can no longer trust my Vision as i constantly try to compare them...
by VeenOui at 3/31/2011 10:09:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:09:16 PM" ) )4:09 PM
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by kgriff edited by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 10:06:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:06:17 PM" ) )4:06 PM
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I think all this food ***ulative radiation dose stuff just re-emphasizes why it's a global problem to get these meltdowns contained.
by Jay77 at 3/31/2011 10:04:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:04:48 PM" ) )4:04 PM
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VeenOui via
Pointscope01.jp at 3/31/2011 10:04:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 10:04:07 PM" ) )4:04 PM
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French Model of radioactive spread in Northern Hemisphere
www.irsn.fr by inCalifornia edited by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 9:59:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:59:35 PM" ) )3:59 PM
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@VeenOui Heat will expand the air column upwards, resulting in less radiation particles per cubic meter.
by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 9:57:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:57:48 PM" ) )3:57 PM
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@LM Thank you for UCB link !
by VeenOui at 3/31/2011 9:57:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:57:48 PM" ) )3:57 PM
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Just on a side note...SoCal is under record breaking Temps....and where i am at, we weent supposed to hit 96 till Sat, we are at 99 right now still rising....ok .carry on
by VeenOui at 3/31/2011 9:56:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:56:03 PM" ) )3:56 PM
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@Sky : Just saw a report on this subject on CNN. They said the list of emergency supplies for communication was a fax machine.....WOW.
by Lethbridgean at 3/31/2011 9:54:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:54:23 PM" ) )3:54 PM
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@VeenOui It doesn't say they measured the milk samples at the supermarket. I'd think they'd be sampling at the dairy farms. Didn't they start detecting radiation around the 20th in CA? That seems like plenty of time for tiny amounts to start showing up.
by Jay77 at 3/31/2011 9:52:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:52:40 PM" ) )3:52 PM
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@VeenOui The plume would get there in 4-5 days I think. A couple days of eating, plus maybe another day of feed transport (except if grass-fed).
by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 9:52:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:52:20 PM" ) )3:52 PM
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by LM at 3/31/2011 9:50:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:50:54 PM" ) )3:50 PM
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AND, again, if it is messurable here, why arent we rading about massive radiation in all kinds of goods in Japan ?.I don't get it.....by the time it comes to US it's soo far diluted, it is unthinkable, that in Japan, not everything being radiated at least in much higher doses vs 5000 miles away ?
by VeenOui at 3/31/2011 9:50:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:50:25 PM" ) )3:50 PM
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@Pat - you mean they didn't even have 2-way radios, like the local fire and police use all the time? Come on! Japan is a center of excellence in manufacturing and use of radio transmitting equipment. Hand held units are available and widely used by, e.g., ham radio operators worldwide, that operate in the 2meter band and with nothing more than internal batteries like in your cellphone and a rubber duckie antenna can transmit and be heard for distances of 50 miles or more. It boggles the mind that no such equipment was available or used? I have a hard time believing it. Hospitals, power plants, the Red Cross, etc. all do emergency drills multiple times a year with volunteer and government agencies to make sure these emergency radio communications capabilities are functional and people know how to use them. Battery power is always an important feature of those drills.
by Sky at 3/31/2011 9:48:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:48:53 PM" ) )3:48 PM
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For those who haven't seen it, this link shows footage taken using a cam on the end of the long water pump arm and shows the destruction inside of Unit 4:
www.ustream.tv I gather the video was presented at a TEPCO conference earlier today.
by es at 3/31/2011 9:48:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:48:38 PM" ) )3:48 PM
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@Jay77 @Bobby1 I still would like to know, how much time from Airborne infecting grass to Supermarket.....i would think a week at least plus what 7 days travel time from Japan ?...to me it would be of interest to find out when the last so called plume left from Japan or is it ongoing perhaps......since it seems more and more countries are measuring it now.....
by VeenOui at 3/31/2011 9:47:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:47:54 PM" ) )3:47 PM
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Jeff Reid via
Img801.imageshack.us at 3/31/2011 9:46:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:46:43 PM" ) )3:46 PM
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The red crane was also in the same position on 3/11/2011
by Jeff Reid at 3/31/2011 9:46:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:46:37 PM" ) )3:46 PM
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@VeenOui The way I understand "half-life" is not that it's half the life span of the isotope, but that half the isotope decays in that time, then another half after by the next time period, and so on. It could take up to 10x the half life for almost all of the isotope to have decayed.
by Jay77 at 3/31/2011 9:45:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:45:53 PM" ) )3:45 PM
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@Matsuoko I think there is some confusion around on "basement" vs "basemat".
by Rob in SF at 3/31/2011 9:43:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:43:51 PM" ) )3:43 PM
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@VeenOui It's more likely that the cows were fed alfalfa. That would add a day or so to the process.
by Bobby1 at 3/31/2011 9:43:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:43:46 PM" ) )3:43 PM
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it was measured under turbine building of #1, to precise it.
by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 9:43:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:43:37 PM" ) )3:43 PM
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Good US Gov. NRC BWR doc with many high quality GE illustrations:
www.nrc.gov "The Mark I containment design consists of several major components, many of which can be seen on page 3-16. These major components include:
• The drywell, which surrounds the reactor vessel and recirculation loops,
• A suppression chamber, which stores a large body of water (suppression pool),
• An interconnecting vent network between the drywell and the suppression chamber, and
• The secondary containment, which surrounds the primary containment (drywell and suppression pool) and houses the spent fuel pool and emergency core cooling systems."
by Rob in SF edited by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 9:42:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:42:54 PM" ) )3:42 PM
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AND, if it has such a short life "half" span, i would have imagined this to not be present after however long it took to even get to US, nevermind to Supermarkets
by VeenOui at 3/31/2011 9:38:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:38:04 PM" ) )3:38 PM
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the groundwater reading was taken from 15 meters under #1 reactor.
by Matsuoko at 3/31/2011 9:37:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:37:31 PM" ) )3:37 PM
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Mt Bad.repost
@al, I am wondering about the radiation in Milk found in US..follow me here......
How long ago must it have been that it got all the way into the milk???
According to the article below, it traveled through the Air, infected the grass and got digested by cows and than cyphened to goto supermarket....does this time frame come even close to a week or what ???
news.yahoo.comby VeenOui at 3/31/2011 9:36:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:36:24 PM" ) )3:36 PM
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@kimbit your link wouldnt work hoping this one will
www.nuclearno.com the article is 2007 so maybe it wasnt viable idea? but I dont know let's see if anybody can tell us more
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 9:34:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:34:33 PM" ) )3:34 PM
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@Jeff Reid I see. Busy doing what, we wonder?
by es at 3/31/2011 9:34:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:34:09 PM" ) )3:34 PM
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@kimbit Very interesting. Doesn't appear that there are massive quantities of it available yet, but it is exactly what they would need right now... Let's see if my link works
rt.comby Jay77 at 3/31/2011 9:33:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:33:09 PM" ) )3:33 PM
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crane can be seen on 3/11/2011
by Jeff Reid at 3/31/2011 9:31:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:31:46 PM" ) )3:31 PM
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by
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Img84.imageshack.us at 3/31/2011 9:31:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:31:08 PM" ) )3:31 PM
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#MCCI #CCI Molten Corium Concrete Interaction paper: "In some scenarios, corium is assumed to melt through the reactor pressure vessel and spread over the concrete basemat of the reactor pit. Molten Core Concrete Interaction (MCCI) then occurs, characterized by concrete ablation. The main question that has to be addressed is whether and when the corium will make its way through the basemat since it would lead to a failure of the containment. The MCCI phenomena occurring in case of an oxide corium pool have been largely investigated but uncertainties still remain. The main remaining issues are on one hand the partition between lateral and axial ablation in a mixed pool, and on the other hand the ablation behaviour in a stratified pool with oxide and metallic layers. "
www.sar-net.org See also: Oxide-Metal Corium –Concrete Interaction Test in the VULCANO Facility www.plinius.euby Rob in SF at 3/31/2011 9:27:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:27:23 PM" ) )3:27 PM
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@Dean, what about the absorbent beads they use in disposable diapers and floral arrangements?
by Nancy at 3/31/2011 9:25:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:25:04 PM" ) )3:25 PM
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So I'd been looking for that timeline...and thisi s the first I'd heard that the emergency response headquaters couldn't establish contact with the plant or at tepco for what 10-12 hours after the Tsunami
by Pat at 3/31/2011 9:24:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:24:52 PM" ) )3:24 PM
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@dean No - I just wanted you to be aware of that event.
by George Gibb at 3/31/2011 9:20:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:20:41 PM" ) )3:20 PM
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I will go for a bit and be back later...
by dean at 3/31/2011 9:20:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:20:25 PM" ) )3:20 PM
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@jo that should say building top left and building bottom right, methinks a need caffiene boost
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 9:18:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:18:15 PM" ) )3:18 PM
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@jo this shows the sediment left behind is quite deep (see building in centre ) building front left has had its roof washed of etc .
by elainekirk at 3/31/2011 9:17:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:17:07 PM" ) )3:17 PM
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For anyone who missed it this is a ge bwr mark one similar to the fukushima daiichi
econtent.unm.eduby NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 9:16:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:16:26 PM" ) )3:16 PM
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rest well jo.. ty for your diligence
by dean at 3/31/2011 9:15:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:15:39 PM" ) )3:15 PM
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@all: need to sleep. Thanks for all, especially Dean, for your knowledge, sharing data and ideas; please go on ! sy
by Jo Lindien at 3/31/2011 9:14:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:14:40 PM" ) )3:14 PM
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@Sin Nice article re bacteria, thanks.
by es at 3/31/2011 9:13:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:13:44 PM" ) )3:13 PM
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Kazuma Yokota, a safety inspector with Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, or NISA, was at the plant at the time. He ducked under a desk as the temblor struck with a force that cracked the walls, he recalled. He then moved to his monitoring office, a 15-minute drive away. "There was no power, no phone, no fax, no Internet," he said. He wasn't able to get a backup generator working until that night. Mr. Yokota, who heads the NISA office that monitors the plant, was conducting a quarterly safety inspection when the ground began rumbling, then shaking. File cabinets and computers toppled around him. Mr. Yokota, who heads the NISA office that monitors the plant, was conducting a quarterly safety inspection when the ground began rumbling, then shaking. File cabinets and computers toppled around him.
After the tsunami passed, he grabbed a taxi to the NISA office in neighboring Okuma, which doubled as an emergency-response center. The center was cut off from both NISA headquarters in Tokyo and the Fukushima Daiichi complex.
Word of trouble at the No. 1 reactor, the oldest of the plant's six, wasn't widely known until early Saturday morning, when its fuel rods began to heat—even though it had automatically shut down.
www.pej.org (Filed under forensics?)
by Pat at 3/31/2011 9:13:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:13:41 PM" ) )3:13 PM
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yes. is there a specific time you want to do it?
by dean at 3/31/2011 9:12:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:12:00 PM" ) )3:12 PM
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@dean ok you can pick moderator from there.
by George Gibb at 3/31/2011 9:11:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:11:32 PM" ) )3:11 PM
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by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 9:11:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:11:03 PM" ) )3:11 PM
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Thought this report might interest some people here. This is from after Hurricane Andrew hit South Florida in 1992, Turkey Point (our nuclear power plant) took a direct hit from a Cat 5 hurricane. Worst case scenario winds, close to worst case surge.
eyeonmiami.blogspot.com by Jeff at 3/31/2011 9:10:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:10:34 PM" ) )3:10 PM
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"As the crisis in Japan goes on, there are an increasing number of sources reporting that 100 mSv (millisieverts) is the lowest dose at which a person is at risk for cancer," says a statement from the organisation.
"Established research disproves this claim," the statement continues. "According to the National Academy of Sciences, there are no safe doses of radiation. Decades of research show clearly that any dose of radiation increases an individual's risk for the development of cancer."
www.abc.net.auby Rob in SF at 3/31/2011 9:10:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:10:31 PM" ) )3:10 PM
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@ifz Just open Google Earth, go to the Fukushima Daichi Power plant, and click the "3D Buildings" checkbox. It should be there. Then you can click on the buildings and download to a sketchup file.
by Jay77 at 3/31/2011 9:08:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:08:42 PM" ) )3:08 PM
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There are natural methods using bacteria to construct storage ponds and dramatically decrease the radioactivity of contaminated water.
news.stanford.eduby Sin at 3/31/2011 9:08:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:08:42 PM" ) )3:08 PM
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@elainekirk now i am really confused, sorry bear with me ...so the information stays here on this site, and you copy (i quess) to somewere else? I am not computor savey .. just trying to understand the paramiters..ty
by fitter at 3/31/2011 9:08:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:08:38 PM" ) )3:08 PM
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Img200.imageshack.us at 3/31/2011 9:07:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:07:51 PM" ) )3:07 PM
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Here it is...kinda messy but hopefully it makes sense
by Jeff Reid at 3/31/2011 9:07:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:07:44 PM" ) )3:07 PM
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@Tenzing That is an abwr.. the fukushina daiichi is a bwr ge mark 1 so the pic is wrong
by NHK Listener at 3/31/2011 9:05:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:05:37 PM" ) )3:05 PM
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@Dean: Yep... say hello Yucca Mtn... and, I'm not happy! Have to go... see ya all later.
by Karen Warren at 3/31/2011 9:05:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:05:28 PM" ) )3:05 PM
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@dean: yes some kind of material that would solidify in air or water... I also think concrete would help to sustain any pressure after the breach would be closed.
Please anyone take your phone and tell them ! ;)
by Jo Lindien at 3/31/2011 9:05:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:05:07 PM" ) )3:05 PM
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I believe the big push in USA from all this is to accelerate getting spent fuel to dry storage casks to reduce the # in the pools and, look closely at those reactors which are older vintage...
by dean at 3/31/2011 9:03:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:03:26 PM" ) )3:03 PM
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VeenOui via
Pointscope01.jp at 3/31/2011 9:03:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:03:10 PM" ) )3:03 PM
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@jay77 how do i get the updated model?
by ifz at 3/31/2011 9:02:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:02:37 PM" ) )3:02 PM
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lol george
by dean at 3/31/2011 9:02:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:02:27 PM" ) )3:02 PM
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@All FYI, in Google Earth, you can also turn on "3D Buildings" if you want a 3D model of the power plants in Sketchup. Someone has uploaded an 'updated' model with damages shown. You should be able to download and import into Sketchup if you want to mess with it.
by Jay77 at 3/31/2011 9:01:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:01:44 PM" ) )3:01 PM
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@dean 1 sec Dean - I have to check what your screen looks like. The online manual is pretty thin lol.
by George Gibb at 3/31/2011 9:01:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:01:23 PM" ) )3:01 PM
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@ifz If the 10,000X in groundwater is retracted we can probably be sure that they're fiddling with the numbers.
by LM at 3/31/2011 9:00:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:00:51 PM" ) )3:00 PM
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there is some industrial material that I think would work jo.. and it is a liquid and would pump and run around the basement area then I would follow that on with some concrete based slurry..
by dean at 3/31/2011 9:00:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 9:00:26 PM" ) )3:00 PM
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@elainekirk ok understand that part agree, so now i quess it the deffincion of "moved down the page?... are we talking yesterdays..... i0 mins ago etc... and what is the "def" of archived... again not questioning, just trying to understand... thanks
by fitter at 3/31/2011 8:59:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:59:46 PM" ) )2:59 PM
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george is the dashboard on the FB..
by dean at 3/31/2011 8:59:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:59:38 PM" ) )2:59 PM
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@dean: happy to ear there might be solutions !
I agree, concrete might not be the most appropriate to use there. I'm not confident with polymer in such a place: polymer are usually not so safe in places you can't control temperature and they often react a lot with agressive chemical components. Don't know what would the best then...
by Jo Lindien at 3/31/2011 8:58:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:58:14 PM" ) )2:58 PM
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you can go to the nrc web page and they posted testimony of some commissioners to the head of the NRC then they are doing a 90 day review of the fukushima accident.. with 30,, 60 and 90 day reports.. that they will post there
by dean at 3/31/2011 8:57:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:57:12 PM" ) )2:57 PM
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@dean use dashboard and select live event.
by George Gibb at 3/31/2011 8:56:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:56:54 PM" ) )2:56 PM
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@ifz Want to bet the numbers go down?!
by LM at 3/31/2011 8:56:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:56:48 PM" ) )2:56 PM
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the old school rule of thumb for iodide tablets was a window of 2 hrs before and 4 hours after a release where you have idodine
by dean at 3/31/2011 8:55:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:55:55 PM" ) )2:55 PM
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@VeenOui Re: Sewage? Perhaps it's kelp. (Japanese diet embraces seaweed, seaweed will concentrate radioactive pathogens. Don't think anyone is eating kelp though.)
by Rob in SF at 3/31/2011 8:55:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:55:39 PM" ) )2:55 PM
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I'm going to upload a few more shots showing elevation based on google earth...not sure how accurate it is but I assume it's pretty close
by Jeff Reid at 3/31/2011 8:54:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:54:56 PM" ) )2:54 PM
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hi George. will do.. I need alittle help in getting there please
by dean at 3/31/2011 8:54:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/31/2011 8:54:51 PM" ) )2:54 PM
