Japan Earthquake LIVE- History

Japan Earthquake LIVE
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Static Copy of Live Discussion at http://www.scribblelive.com/Event/Japan_Earthquake5

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@Nancy, unfortunately for Japan, most of the emissions are likely to stay local compared to Chernobyl. Chernobyl "lost" 50% of its fuel in an explosion and fire -- all that radioactive mass was carried high into the atmosphere. At Fukushima the contamination will be more local dur to lower elevation winds, and contaminated water.

by Alaskan at 3/26/2011 10:44:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:44:57 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:44:57 PM
@Joshua Diamond We have facts. The Japanese Ministry of Science has radiation readings here: www.mext.go.jp

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:44:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:44:31 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:44:31 PM
maybe some thousand revolutionary whales lined up and created the big wave. i apologize if this is too bad ... just a picture in my head ...

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 10:44:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:44:28 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:44:28 PM
oyama-shi in tochigi ken is considered the northerrnmost part of greater tokyo, although it is still pretty built up further north in utsunomiya too, about 100km from tokyo station, though still over 100km from the plant - Sendai to the north is much closer which is not good news with such fragile infrastructure up there

by andyjsha at 3/26/2011 10:44:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:44:24 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:44:24 PM
@Joshua Diamond When you get the straight information from TEPCO and the Japanese Government, please let us know so that we can speculate less.

by James Ward at 3/26/2011 10:44:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:44:01 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:44:01 PM
Tragedy of the commons. We all "own" the earth but it's in each country's or corporation's best interest to use more than its share of the resources while seeing others regulated more. We need to demand 100% transparency from all governments and corps.

by Alaskan at 3/26/2011 10:43:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:43:05 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:43:05 PM
All - can we please keep the speculation, hyperbole, and alarmism down? I agree that there is a lot to worry about. But in order to be taken seriously, we need to rely upon FACT, not SPECULATION.

by Joshua Diamond at 3/26/2011 10:42:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:42:42 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:42:42 PM
I don't think very highly of the UN, but I'll spare you my screed

by marie rich at 3/26/2011 10:42:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:42:13 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:42:13 PM
That comparison in der spiegel. Didn't some of what was in Chernobyle go really high in the air? So something at Fukushima would have to blast radioactivity higher up to spread like that? Or were these at Chernobyl low slow spread by the wind.

by Nancy at 3/26/2011 10:42:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:42:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:42:11 PM
@VeenOui You have to remember that the head of the IAEA is also Japanese with long-running interpersonal relationships with the top people in the Japanese Government, senior execs of TEPCO, and the the Japanese NRC. He is not going to say or do anything that will embarrass his fellow countrymen.

by James Ward at 3/26/2011 10:42:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:42:10 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:42:10 PM
The IAEA were set up to promote nuck power, any report the right, should be taken with a pinch of salt, as nuke power is the only reason they are around,

by rob at 3/26/2011 10:42:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:42:06 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:42:06 PM
@Mina, perhaps the same stuff that burned those workers feet yesterday, that is high amounts of a beta-emitter.

by Peter Melzer at 3/26/2011 10:41:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:41:51 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:41:51 PM
@James Ward In other words, the IAEA holds ZERO reliability to monitor and or report for the public at all !

by VeenOui at 3/26/2011 10:40:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:40:41 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:40:41 PM
@Everyone... they can only keep this secret for so long. we are talking about a major nuclear event possibly irradiating and afecting all of Japan... MILLIONS of people cannot just be kept secret. The fallout (in all senses) from this are immense.

by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 10:40:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:40:34 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:40:34 PM
Whales are less likely to die in the next year or two, but once they start eating contaminated plankton or fish . . .

by Alaskan at 3/26/2011 10:40:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:40:12 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:40:12 PM
As independent as any agency of the UN is...

by marie rich at 3/26/2011 10:39:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:39:31 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:39:31 PM
@Jim yes. I saw that the whaling company was wiped off the map, but the ships seem to have survived... beached but surviving.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 10:39:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:39:07 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:39:07 PM
@VeenOui All governments conceal information they don't want the public to know. For instance, the amount and type of radiation that came out of Three Mile Island is still denied by the US. The Russians originally believed they could keep Chernobyl under wraps until the radiation was detected in Sweden. We still don't know how many people died from Hurricane Katrina. I could go on with examples but the Communists aren't the only people who keep information under wraps.

by James Ward at 3/26/2011 10:38:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:38:58 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:38:58 PM
@marie rich Wel;l, this is interesting, didn't the IAEA send inspectors to IRAN and everyone in the world is taking their opinion as to what to do ?
So WHERE is the report on Japan than ?....to my knowledge, they are supposed to be INDEPENDENT ?

by VeenOui at 3/26/2011 10:38:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:38:52 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:38:52 PM
@radioguy take care

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 10:38:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:38:29 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:38:29 PM
OK... I have to hit the road for a while and actually do stuff. ;) Later all.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 10:37:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:37:53 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:37:53 PM
@Alaskan More whales are alive.

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 10:37:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:37:52 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:37:52 PM
IAEA reports to stakeholders (meaning nuke countries) via the UN

by marie rich at 3/26/2011 10:36:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:36:44 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:36:44 PM
The true extent of the BP disaster will never be known since they tied up most research scientist in legal contracts

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 10:36:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:36:44 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:36:44 PM
@radioguy -LOL! And no kangaroos harmed in Japan.

by Alaskan at 3/26/2011 10:36:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:36:34 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:36:34 PM
water purification also covered at CDC.gov

by marie rich at 3/26/2011 10:35:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:35:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:35:56 PM
No walruses were harmed in the oil spill.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 10:35:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:35:52 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:35:52 PM
Right, so most of the Iodine will be gone in a few weeks. Still too soon to eat it.By that time the Cesium will have built up anyway.

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 10:35:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:35:47 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:35:47 PM
I got a question, WHO does the IAEA report to ?

by VeenOui at 3/26/2011 10:35:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:35:43 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:35:43 PM
@radioguy -- and every story about the Gulf spill that describes its "small" impact gets front page coverage, but when other data about long-term impacts emerges, only scientific journals report it.

by Alaskan at 3/26/2011 10:35:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:35:26 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:35:26 PM
You may also be interested in how to treat radioactively contaminated drinking water:
crisismaven.wordpress.com
Maybe someone wants to help with Japanese and other languages?

by CrisisMaven at 3/26/2011 10:35:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:35:17 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:35:17 PM
"The IAEA has send a team originally to independantly monitor...no word has ever come from them.
Than, they send a second team......no word still....." it sounds like a bad sci-fi movie VeenOui.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 10:35:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:35:17 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:35:17 PM
@elainekirk2001 USB., they sell them."austauschbar"

by VeenOui at 3/26/2011 10:35:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:35:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:35:03 PM
right from day 1

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 10:34:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:34:26 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:34:26 PM
@George... exactly. How long did we get all our info from BP last summer?

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 10:34:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:34:09 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:34:09 PM
@VeenOui it is my sound card it is kaput

by elainekirk at 3/26/2011 10:34:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:34:05 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:34:05 PM
And they acted affronted when the USA expanded to 80km

by marie rich at 3/26/2011 10:34:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:34:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:34:03 PM
which is a scary situation as we're witnessig

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 10:33:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:33:28 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:33:28 PM
Personally, I think it's too preposterous to believe that they haven't done as thorough an evaluation as possible given the circumstances, with every tool at their disposal.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 10:33:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:33:24 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:33:24 PM
Also, runoff into the ocean doesn't immediately get diluted through movement in all three dimensions. Ocean currents can keep pollutants concentrated in a smaller area. If the Ce-137 etc. gets swept into estuaries or coastal marshes, it will be readily bioconcentrated. These areas are nurseries for many forms of marine life. Long-lived top-of-food chain species like marine mammals, seabirds, and large fish will suffer.

by Alaskan at 3/26/2011 10:32:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:32:41 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:32:41 PM
but lately the trend has been governments sit back and the corp involved takes lead

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 10:32:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:32:39 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:32:39 PM
@Jim Carver Iodine131=8 days, Cessium137=30yrs.

by marie rich at 3/26/2011 10:32:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:32:33 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:32:33 PM
The IAEA has send a team originally to independantly monitor...no word has ever come from them.
Than, they send a second team......no word still.....none of it makes sense.....the only Governments that have this kind of held back information are Communist ....this just doesn't make sense for even IAEA and i do not think highly of them as is.

by VeenOui at 3/26/2011 10:32:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:32:23 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:32:23 PM
hence later a partnership was formed between the government and TEPco

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 10:31:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:31:44 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:31:44 PM
@Alaskan It's 8 days right?

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 10:31:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:31:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:31:11 PM

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@Alaskan So true, and the IAEA is toeing the same line. complete bunk, as we know from DDT concentrating up the food chain

by marie rich at 3/26/2011 10:30:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:30:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:30:56 PM
@George agreed. It goes back to what I was saying earlier. We are really awful at recognizing worst case scenarios even when they are upon us. The first valuable time is spent in fingerpointing and dissembling.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 10:30:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:30:51 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:30:51 PM
having said that consider that a corporation cannot order the fire dept to intervene when they should have been there right away

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 10:30:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:30:42 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:30:42 PM
Kyodo News article on radioactive seawater shows no understanding of marine biology. Algae eaten in Japan has high amount of Iodine in it. If the coastal currents keep the I-131 close to harvest areas, there could be problems. I know I-131 has a short half-life but still . . .

by Alaskan at 3/26/2011 10:29:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:29:40 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:29:40 PM
Maybe it's pine beetles.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 10:29:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:29:21 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:29:21 PM
In my opinion the response was initially inadequate - TEPco did not have the means to deal with this in the sense that more responders were needed at the very beginning

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 10:29:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:29:19 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:29:19 PM
I still cannot wrap my head around the lack of Inspections which would rule out areas and equipment and at the same time validate readings........all they officially release is what they do......after all this time, ANY CORPORATION would have had a thorough assessment given the dire problem one is dealing with .

by VeenOui at 3/26/2011 10:29:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:29:02 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:29:02 PM
@Alaskan If the trees are being killed by the salt water thrown up by the tsunami, I'm not sure two weeks would be quick enough to do that.

by James Ward at 3/26/2011 10:28:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:28:45 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:28:45 PM
Looking at the fallout to the northwest of Fukushima after the wind was blowing that way, I can understand how the NHK reporter could crack a bit when reading wind to the South. How far out does exurban Tokyo spread in radius?

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 10:28:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:28:22 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:28:22 PM
Think you guys are right about the salt killing the trees

by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 10:27:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:27:57 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:27:57 PM
Huh, sometimes I come up as Marie, sometimes as 'you' Hey, You...lol

by marie rich at 3/26/2011 10:27:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:27:55 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:27:55 PM
@stef : yes me. but what to do ?

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 10:27:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:27:41 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:27:41 PM
@George Gibb What's your take on the response?

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 10:27:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:27:37 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:27:37 PM
I'm not in any way a nuclear expert - I do have 20 yrs experience in disaster response and management. So I have been watching the response from that perspective.

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 10:26:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:26:15 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:26:15 PM
aftershocks...the better to shake apart jury-rigged nuke plants

by marie rich at 3/26/2011 10:25:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:25:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:25:56 PM
@you Mass spectroscopy is used to determine the amount and species of a suite of isotopes.

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 10:25:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:25:34 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:25:34 PM
Salt kills most vegetation very quickly

by Alaskan at 3/26/2011 10:25:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:25:19 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:25:19 PM
....still aftershocks

by stef at 3/26/2011 10:25:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:25:10 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:25:10 PM
@Matsuko -- I'm a girl! And Alaska has huge deposits of oil, gas, and coal.

by Alaskan at 3/26/2011 10:24:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:24:26 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:24:26 PM
trees in tscherno needed 3 weeks to get red

by hans at 3/26/2011 10:24:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:24:22 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:24:22 PM
@JIm Carver YES! that's what I'm trying to do, in my stumbling fasion.

by marie rich at 3/26/2011 10:24:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:24:02 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:24:02 PM
@Alaskan the gullies and diversions you can see make it seem like they are the low spots.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 10:23:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:23:54 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:23:54 PM
@Alaskan : well, in this case you don't need any solar energy. you have your cables from Washington or whereever. lucky guy.

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 10:23:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:23:34 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:23:34 PM
@what Radioguy said

by Alaskan at 3/26/2011 10:23:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:23:31 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:23:31 PM
RE red forest effect -- does anyone know what the topography is like at Fukushima? If the affected trees are in relatively low-lying areas it could be the salt from the Tsunami killing them.

by Alaskan at 3/26/2011 10:23:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:23:05 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:23:05 PM
@marie rich That would be to get a "fingerprint" on its source.

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 10:23:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:23:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:23:03 PM
@Ben it seems that the browned trees are in the low spots, so possibly something in the water while it was still flooded got deposited and killed them.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 10:22:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:22:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:22:03 PM
NHK is finally getting a little 'hot' about situation and communication of it.... Oooh, he's talking about what to do, anticipating, ACT!

by marie rich at 3/26/2011 10:22:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:22:00 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:22:00 PM
@Ben, wow that would require an insane amount of radiation, not a good sign

by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 10:22:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:22:00 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:22:00 PM
@Jojo WOW, What kind of an Authority Emergency system is that, if they do not even inform their own.BUT they learn it from TV ??.CRUEL !!

by VeenOui at 3/26/2011 10:21:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:21:58 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:21:58 PM
Here's an article from the Greenpeace sampling team in Japan, "As we found out today, the radiation levels are high in Fukushima city -- our measurements confirmed levels that have been reported in newspapers and by the government -- in some places so high that you would get your "maximum annual dose" (if you believe in such things) in about 8 days. It's a bit strange to see people biking and going about their business." www.greenpeace.org

by James Ward at 3/26/2011 10:20:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:20:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:20:32 PM
@stef At this point now it won't empty Japan, but a large area of the country around Fukushima will be uninhabitable for over 100 years. How large that area is is the question.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:20:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:20:30 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:20:30 PM
@elainekirk2001 Really ?.you can buy cheap speakers for like $20 @BestBuy..... either way, you're welcome...:-)

by VeenOui at 3/26/2011 10:19:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:19:43 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:19:43 PM
If fuel rods are melted or crumbled or slumped or decomposed, can the control rods be performing any useful function inside the reactor?

by Sky at 3/26/2011 10:19:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:19:10 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:19:10 PM
@VeenOui That's the mayor if Iitate Village. The guy learned from the TV that he had massive radiation in his town. Last reading had 1,110,000 Bq/kg of Iodine, 1,500,000 Kg/bq of Cesium. The maximum scale for Chernobyl was 1,480,000 Kg /bq of Cesium. Those people need to GET OUT.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:19:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:19:10 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:19:10 PM
@marie I heard the other day they were testing such things to get a 'dna' of the radiation to know what is happening where. This is only an opinion I read on a site similar to this one.

by Jeff at 3/26/2011 10:19:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:19:08 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:19:08 PM
testing

by dave at 3/26/2011 10:19:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:19:01 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:19:01 PM
www.greenpeace.org

by James Ward at 3/26/2011 10:18:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:18:51 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:18:51 PM
@Ben: I saw those pics too! And wondered which radiation is needed that trees get brownish? Does anybody know that? Is the radiation that was told by TEPCO enough to turn them brown?

by Mina at 3/26/2011 10:18:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:18:38 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:18:38 PM
@stef - yes. i think it will cause the largest migration of humans ever...

by dave at 3/26/2011 10:18:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:18:36 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:18:36 PM
@veenOui I am grateful for your info as I have no sound on my computer

by elainekirk at 3/26/2011 10:18:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:18:08 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:18:08 PM
@stef In its present state (that is, the admitted state) probably not. I'd sure like to see some progress being admitted by someone in charge though. This holding pattern is disconcerting

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 10:17:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:17:59 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:17:59 PM
Okay George- good. What is your idea on how this will affect people living in Japan? You think it will be possible? Or...do you think this has affected everything severely...including our military occupancy? Also...@veenout- yes, Im watching...cant believe this is real.

by stef at 3/26/2011 10:17:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:17:49 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:17:49 PM
@VeenOui yes, watching. very concerning.

by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 10:17:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:17:13 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:17:13 PM
@Marie I really hope somebody on here can answer that !!!

by elainekirk at 3/26/2011 10:17:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:17:06 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:17:06 PM

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Is anyone watching NHK ?..A Mayor of a town bordering between the 20-30 km zone, has dropped a mention that 40km zone could be established.
Another Mayor of a different town touching the 30km zone, has acknowledged, that radiation reading is very high in soil.....again this is outskirts of 30km zone.

by VeenOui at 3/26/2011 10:16:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:16:37 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:16:37 PM
@stef I wouldn't go down that road and i always think the worse first

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 10:16:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:16:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:16:03 PM
@Jojo I meant if this site shut down I'd be freaked.

by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 10:15:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:15:36 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:15:36 PM
Two disturbing pictures from a german forum, have a look @pic nr. 2&3 - the forrest around reactor 3 from sat-perspective. www.dasgelbeforum.de.org @radioguy, yes, I really hope, there is another possible reason for Cl-38

by Ben at 3/26/2011 10:15:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:15:13 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:15:13 PM
@Meretisa I'm not at "freaked out" level, but very very concerned.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 10:15:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:15:04 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:15:04 PM
@stef That is my fear.

by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 10:14:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:14:46 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:14:46 PM
I posted this 2 around 1:30PM but Imma gonna do it again! it's off-topic again, but I believe clues to what they're thinking is in what they're looking at. testing sea water for Technetium (which breaks down to Ruthenium and Molybdenum; also testing) Lanthanum, and Barium. Research shows that Technetium is extremely rare in occurance. It is a major product of fission, with highest amts. in spent fuel rods. Trying to determine if core or rods causing high radioactivity? Lanthanum is used in 'hydrogen sponges' to absorb hydrogen, which it then gives off as heat. Is it used in reactors for such, Dean? idk. Barium has an extremely short half life, depending on the isotope, and is used to block some atomic emissions (like xrays, for ex.) Most of these - except Technetium- have pretty short half lives, and aren't particularly absorbed by organisms the way Iodine and Cessium are. So why test for them unless they can tell you something? Technetium, depending on the isotope, has a half life of minutes to 210,000yrs.+. And it decays into both beta and gamma radiation. There're alot of isotopes produced by fission, albeit in trace amounts- so why look for some of the more obscure ones?
by marie rich at 3/26/2011 6:37:24 PM1:37 PM

by marie rich at 3/26/2011 10:14:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:14:37 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:14:37 PM
Well, praying to Jesus for you Japan! Good luck with your cleanup efforts and enduring the current crisis. Here is to a break from disasters for your island....

by kgriff at 3/26/2011 10:14:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:14:01 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:14:01 PM
Just wondering....could something like this wipe out Japan?

by stef at 3/26/2011 10:13:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:13:49 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:13:49 PM
@George Gibb If this goes down I will seriously freak.

by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 10:13:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:13:43 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:13:43 PM
@Paul (UK) I'd only get concerned if Squibble.com goes down

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 10:12:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:12:54 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:12:54 PM
they wont shut it down because no one has an accurate source of news that hasnt already been seen.

by stef at 3/26/2011 10:12:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:12:12 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:12:12 PM
@stef (Raises hand)

by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 10:11:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:11:33 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:11:33 PM
@Paul I doubt that happens. If so, it took George less than an hour to get this one up. WHackamole anyone?

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 10:11:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:11:29 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:11:29 PM
@George - thanks to you and all concerned for providing this board. I'm wondering how long before it gets zapped by 'mysterious forces'!

by Paul (UK) at 3/26/2011 10:10:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:10:24 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:10:24 PM
Is anyone else seriously freaked out about this?

by stef at 3/26/2011 10:10:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:10:18 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:10:18 PM
@ben i saw that yesterday. hard to dispute. Cl-38 only has a half-life of ... what... 37 minutes?

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 10:08:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:08:38 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:08:38 PM
@Merelisa She must have been reading it cold. Bad idea.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 10:07:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:07:30 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:07:30 PM
I can't say I don't buy into the occasional conspiracy theory, but the silence on this in the media is deafening. Even wikileaks got better spread.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 10:06:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:06:15 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:06:15 PM
did you hear her voice NHK lady crack and freak out when she said wind going south?? :(

by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 10:05:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:05:28 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:05:28 PM
Two Links from my side: www.youtube.com (Interview with Dr. Michio Kaku) and 2nd one, a discussion in the arstechnica-forums about Cl-38 in todays NISA press release, which could be a "smoking gun" for an ongoing chain reaction: arstechnica.com

by Ben at 3/26/2011 10:05:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:05:15 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:05:15 PM
@alaskan LOL... exactly.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 10:04:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:04:28 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:04:28 PM
Nothing against CNN, just found it weird they made no mention of it.

by Jeff at 3/26/2011 10:04:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:04:12 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:04:12 PM
@George Gibb www.spiegel.de

by kgriff via Spiegel.de at 3/26/2011 10:04:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:04:08 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:04:08 PM
he's biwinning as usual.

by stef at 3/26/2011 10:04:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:04:07 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:04:07 PM
@Alaskan Brought on by the media.

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 10:03:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:03:57 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:03:57 PM
NHK live brief www3.nhk.or.jp

by marie rich at 3/26/2011 10:03:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:03:57 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:03:57 PM
How's Charlie Sheen doing?

by Alaskan at 3/26/2011 10:03:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:03:48 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:03:48 PM
@George Gibb www.bigtrends.com

by kgriff via Bigtrends at 3/26/2011 10:03:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:03:39 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:03:39 PM
@Jeff I bet NBC didn't lead with it either.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 10:03:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:03:28 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:03:28 PM
The internet age has given everyone a short attention span -- Fukushima was last week's news.

by Alaskan at 3/26/2011 10:03:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:03:15 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:03:15 PM
Well I think the difference here is TEPco doesn't have spin doctors

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 10:03:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:03:15 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:03:15 PM
@George Gibb well if it gets as bad Chernobyl... www.spiegel.de

by kgriff at 3/26/2011 10:02:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:02:54 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:02:54 PM
CNN promo for Japan crisis at 7pm; talked about earthquake, tsunami damage and economic challenges, nothing stated about the nuclear plant!

by Jeff at 3/26/2011 10:02:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:02:28 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:02:28 PM
@George Yes, but we've shown we're not very good at realizing worst case scenarios even when they're upon us. How long did it take the Deepwater Horizon to reach that level? months of denial?

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 10:01:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:01:59 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:01:59 PM
We have an educated group here. People are saying some really dumb things out there.

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 10:01:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:01:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:01:56 PM
NHK back live on the air, showing live helicopter shot - steam all 4 www3.nhk.or.jp

by jay77 at 3/26/2011 10:01:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:01:41 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:01:41 PM
@radioguy lol subliminal messages

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 10:01:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:01:34 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:01:34 PM
man... where is dean?? :( this is getting really F-ing scary.

by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 10:01:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:01:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:01:32 PM
Reuters U.N. nuclear chief says Japan crisis far from end: report March 26 www.reuters.com

by kgriff at 3/26/2011 10:00:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:00:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:00:32 PM
When I look at problems I always think whats the worst possible senario and then everything else get better from that point on.

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 10:00:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 10:00:25 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:00:25 PM
@Geaorge... gotta love the tepco.youcan'tseehydrogen.jp link above ;)

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 9:59:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:59:52 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:59:52 PM
I am just getting a few people interested in it, it should have a big audience very soon . I soooo detest the EU

by elainekirk at 3/26/2011 9:59:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:59:27 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:59:27 PM
@Matsuko, no nuclear power plants here. Closest ones to me are about 1800 miles downwind. But I am only 3300 miles downwind of Fukushima, closer than most of USA except Aleutian Islands.

by Alaskan at 3/26/2011 9:59:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:59:15 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:59:15 PM
@Mina That is really sickening.

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 9:58:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:58:06 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:58:06 PM

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@mina me too. I thought I must be misreading it.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 9:58:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:58:00 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:58:00 PM
@hans I remember that film. Chilling then. More chilling now probably.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 9:57:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:57:25 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:57:25 PM
I still can believe that EU wants to raise the levels... why? Unbelievable, I had to read it twice and the fact that they don't wanna check it by themself is absolutely shocking.

by Mina at 3/26/2011 9:56:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:56:36 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:56:36 PM
kurusawa dreams. old japan film that is warning... www.youtube.com

by hans at 3/26/2011 9:56:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:56:14 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:56:14 PM
@Dom Hmmm... glad you got the drift! It was a clumsy analogy on second reading - sorry. I don't somehow think a drowning rat would be feeling too hungry!

by Paul (UK) at 3/26/2011 9:55:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:55:33 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:55:33 PM
Well okay, I read it. But this relates "just" to food imports from japan. Haha. Great!

by Mejin at 3/26/2011 9:55:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:55:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:55:32 PM
www.mext.go.jp What is worry about that link, other than than there has NEVER been data for Fukushima/Miyagi prefectures, is that the fallout levels are rising. it's now 7500 MBq/km2 of Iodine in Yamagata prefecture, 1200 of Cesium. In Ibaraki it's 670 Iodine/160 Cesium. Tokyo 220 Iodine 12/cesium.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:55:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:55:10 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:55:10 PM
@Matsuoko agreed. terrifying!!

by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 9:54:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:54:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:54:56 PM
the problem is: nobody wants to check his food with a geiger counter. people trust in the established limits. if the EU now raises them, you will never get to know if your meat has 100 or 1200 Bq/kg. this is shit.

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 9:54:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:54:33 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:54:33 PM
Bear in mind that several prefectures have had their data censored for a long time now and you cannot get the data from these sources. There are also several websites that post crowd-sourced radiation readings which might cover the area you area interested in. Please visit this page where some additional links have been collected: fukushima.wikispaces.com

by Sky at 3/26/2011 9:54:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:54:22 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:54:22 PM
@Paul: You just read my mind.

by Dom at 3/26/2011 9:52:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:52:40 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:52:40 PM
@jojo @Sky Thanks for those links.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 9:52:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:52:38 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:52:38 PM
fleep.com . Sorry I keep hitting Enter when I mean to insert a newline character.

by Sky at 3/26/2011 9:52:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:52:01 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:52:01 PM
@kaykod www.mext.go.jp That link provides fallout/water readings by prefecture. Nothing was detected in Nagano.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:51:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:51:57 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:51:57 PM
public.tableausoftware.com

by Sky at 3/26/2011 9:51:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:51:30 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:51:30 PM
nothing new?

by Poland at 3/26/2011 9:51:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:51:26 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:51:26 PM
www.bousai.ne.jp

by Sky at 3/26/2011 9:51:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:51:17 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:51:17 PM
Kaykod, please try these links to get radiation data by prefecture:

by Sky at 3/26/2011 9:51:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:51:04 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:51:04 PM
here = hear

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 9:50:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:50:20 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:50:20 PM
I here the tsunami and nuke disaster has added a new word to the Japanese language... Fly Jin, for those that flee Japan at the first sign of hardship.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 9:50:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:50:12 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:50:12 PM
@radioguy yes raising the limits. this is not good

by hans at 3/26/2011 9:49:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:49:20 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:49:20 PM
@kayko The failed Robot site above does crowd-sourced geiger readings. not quite the same but a useful tool anyway.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 9:48:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:48:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:48:56 PM
@Dom Rats on a sinking ship eventually start to eat eachother don't they?

by Paul (UK) at 3/26/2011 9:48:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:48:10 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:48:10 PM
@Mejin : www.swr.de

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 9:47:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:47:28 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:47:28 PM
Uh? I'm from germany and I didn't hear about any levels rising. I heard, that something of the Fukushima particles ar detected here, but very very minor.

by Mejin at 3/26/2011 9:46:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:46:31 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:46:31 PM
It sounds to me like an admission that we're going to see levels above the old limit very soon, and they don't want to have to say "Radiation levels above the limit detected in Berlin food suppl."

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 9:45:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:45:42 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:45:42 PM
@radioguy : right. the EU wants to double (!) the caesium levels that they established after chernobyl ! they plan it for Saturday, very fast !

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 9:44:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:44:35 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:44:35 PM
lol

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 9:44:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:44:31 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:44:31 PM
Edano criticizes TEPCO for series of mistakes on nuclear plant (Japan Today, 27/3)

by Dom at 3/26/2011 9:44:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:44:30 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:44:30 PM
I think what is the most worrisome is the amount of problems already being created by a relatively small release(s).

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 9:44:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:44:29 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:44:29 PM
@Matsuko It is. Levels rising toward the limit? No problem. Raise the limit.
These people have been around debt ceilings too long.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 9:44:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:44:13 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:44:13 PM
@Jojo - Thanks - is there any website that gives this info for the different prefectures? (She is at the southern end of Nagano prefecture.) (I hate cluttering up this blog with personal requests...)

by kaykod at 3/26/2011 9:43:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:43:53 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:43:53 PM
Is it wrong for me to say I wish the worst of it would finally happen so we can transition into recovery? And I do believe it's really going to get much worse.

by stef at 3/26/2011 9:43:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:43:21 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:43:21 PM
@hans : this is unbelievable !

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 9:42:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:42:39 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:42:39 PM
Not as many as we'd like, but Japan is waking up, so...

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 9:41:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:41:52 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:41:52 PM
Hey all-- any updates?

by stef at 3/26/2011 9:41:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:41:24 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:41:24 PM
@hans Crikes, that's shocking if true, ie that they're thinking of raising the safety levels

by es at 3/26/2011 9:41:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:41:04 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:41:04 PM
@Jim If they had to answer that question out loud they'd have never had an industry.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 9:40:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:40:59 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:40:59 PM
@hans It seems that they're raising the limits on Cesium so Japanese levels are not excluded? IS that right? The translation garbles it somewhat and my German is not quite up to it.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 9:40:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:40:04 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:40:04 PM
@kayko It depends a lot on what prefecture she is in. Some prefectures are seeing higher fallout levels, others have had no or barely any radiation. And it also matters where her water comes from, and her food/milk.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:40:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:40:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:40:03 PM
@radioguy Can't figure out what or when grave is though. My grand daughter's ? Her's?

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 9:39:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:39:29 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:39:29 PM
@kayko it falls where ever the wind blows and accumulates

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 9:39:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:39:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:39:03 PM
@you Sorry I live in the US.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:38:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:38:52 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:38:52 PM
@WolfDK I like in the US.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:38:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:38:44 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:38:44 PM
search.japantimes.co.jp

by nestor at 3/26/2011 9:38:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:38:38 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:38:38 PM

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@Jojo, my point was that there is a cost to EVERY single consumer, even thou your country (like mine) don't have any nuclear power plants, electricity gets imported and exported over borders.

by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 9:37:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:37:46 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:37:46 PM
VERY INTERESTING. high cäsium levels in europe. translatee.com

by hans edited by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 9:36:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:36:40 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:36:40 PM
One of the questions I am wondering is, given the amount of radiation that seems to be leaking, along with the number of days that this has been going on, is the accumulation of mS of radiation still localized, or are areas further away going to start developing higher levels as well? Is there a drop-off point where accumulation isn't a problem or does it just spread? (I hope that question makes sense. What I'm really getting at is, assuming there are no further complications and the radiation just leaks at the rate it is, should I be worried about my grandmother who lives just a little farther from Fukushima than Tokyo is?)

by kayko at 3/26/2011 9:36:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:36:07 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:36:07 PM
I saw a comment on another blog wondering if we figure out the cradle to grave cost on a nuclear power plant, how many homes could we outfit with solar panels and hook up to the grid for the same cost. Of course, what incentive would the electric companies have to go along? They'd end up buying their electricity from us. What a turnaround.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 9:35:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:35:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:35:56 PM
@WolfDK How much are each Japanese citizen going to pay for "clean" Fukushima? Factor those costs in as well.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:35:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:35:42 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:35:42 PM
@Matsuoko [grin]

by es at 3/26/2011 9:35:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:35:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:35:03 PM
@Jim Carver Possibly so, we don't have data. The assumption I made is constant radiation to get the idea.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:34:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:34:48 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:34:48 PM
@es : ah, "es" means espanol, i got it.

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 9:34:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:34:15 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:34:15 PM
@Jojo I think the total dosage is less than that because it didn't start all at once. The average dose has a positive slope curve though.

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 9:34:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:34:07 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:34:07 PM
@wolfdk I think nuclear is going to become more expensive , even if governments are slow to crack down on them the insurers will surely be upping the cost and I can see workers demanding better packages too

by elainekirk at 3/26/2011 9:34:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:34:06 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:34:06 PM
I see white vapor/smoke and now some thin gray smoke on Tepco webcam, fyi.

by marie rich at 3/26/2011 9:33:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:33:45 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:33:45 PM
japan only needs to spent money on fukushima

by hans at 3/26/2011 9:33:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:33:07 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:33:07 PM
@WolfDK : i am not willing to spend any money to clean up a nuclear disaster ! that is the point !

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 9:32:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:32:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:32:32 PM
@Matsuoko In Spain there are numerous German solar and wind farms - they are already exporting their technology to sunny places.

by es at 3/26/2011 9:32:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:32:30 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:32:30 PM
@Meretisa, would you pay 20% more for your electricity to shut down a few nuclear powerplants ?

by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 9:31:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:31:08 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:31:08 PM
@es : i hope Germany will prove the world that renewables are possible. they don't have much sun and wind but they are willing to make it. in some 10 or 20 years they can export their knowledge on that. it's a good way.

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 9:30:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:30:58 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:30:58 PM
At that rate (it was 56 uSv/hour, the 1.4 mSv was cumulative), with 1 week of radiation, it's 1 in 2125 people contracting fatal cancer eventually from this exposure. The accident was on March 12(?), so it's been 14 days or so already (1 in 1000 or so). It's even worse for children. Figure 2 weeks of constant exposure, that's 1 in 379 girls < 15 getting fatal cancer, and 1 in 759 boys.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:30:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:30:48 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:30:48 PM
@es Good for them!! I wish all the world would do the same thing

by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 9:27:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:27:17 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:27:17 PM
More from the BBC re the German public's discontent with all things nuclear: www.bbc.co.uk

by es at 3/26/2011 9:26:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:26:07 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:26:07 PM
@Jojo, indeed they do and should have a long time ago, there is no point in exposing people to unnecessary radiation.

by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 9:25:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:25:41 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:25:41 PM
@WolfDK Agreed, point is that they need to evacuate all these people.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:24:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:24:14 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:24:14 PM
@Alaskan : do you have nukes in Alaska?

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 9:23:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:23:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:23:32 PM
@Jojo, all radiation you receive will affect your health, there is no lower limit just calculated risks, same as everything else in life.

by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 9:23:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:23:16 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:23:16 PM
@Jojo And that is just point radiation dosage, it does not include ingestion of particulates - eating, drinking, breathing.

by Bobby1 at 3/26/2011 9:22:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:22:52 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:22:52 PM
@Alaskan I can imagine. That's a tough one. Lose some efficiency cleaning it also.

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 9:21:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:21:09 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:21:09 PM
@you So even though you have a 1% fatality rate (higher for children) from eventual cancer from this radiation exposure in Namie Town EVERY 6 DAYS OF EXPOSURE, and the accident has been spewing for over 10 days... "Professor Masaharu Hoshi of Hiroshima University said the current levels do not affect human health.

But he added that he thinks the plant will continue to disperse radioactive substances into the air for some time and that he hopes people will carry on their daily life while paying sufficient attention to changing radiation levels." Yes, carry on with your daily life in Namie Town.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:20:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:20:23 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:20:23 PM
@Matsuoko, think that was the cause it was empty, but yes you would not like to stress test a vessel like that in fueled and running condition.

by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 9:20:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:20:19 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:20:19 PM
@George Yes, I get it. I've put my money where my mouth is, investing in a small mutual fund that only buys renewable stocks. But our governments need to subsidize research and development like they have for oil, gas and coal.

by Alaskan at 3/26/2011 9:20:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:20:10 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:20:10 PM
@Alaskan thats true but just to maintain what we have in areas where nucs infest

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 9:18:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:18:53 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:18:53 PM
@Jim, did oceanography grad school in Halifax NS & used to have a house of the BofF. Tides are high but so is sediment, which wreaks havoc on turbine blades. But new technologies are being explored in NS, Maine, OR, and up here in AK.

by Alaskan at 3/26/2011 9:18:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:18:36 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:18:36 PM
we are getting this-World's largest tidal energy scheme www.dailyrecord.co.uk

by elainekirk at 3/26/2011 9:17:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:17:57 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:17:57 PM
@WolfDK : just pure luck that it was completely empty .... unbelievable.

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 9:17:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:17:47 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:17:47 PM
@you So for that spot in Namie Town (30 km NW of nuke plant), if you assume constant radiation of 1.4 mSv /hour, after 714 hours (about 30 days) you would have a full Sievert of exposure. That's 5% fatality rate (from eventual fatal cancer) right there. After 142 hours (6 days) you have a 1% fatality rate.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:17:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:17:38 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:17:38 PM
@George -- solarvoltaic doesn't work so well here at 61 North in December. Less than 5.5 hours/day of daylight, sun only 4 degrees above horizon max.

by Alaskan at 3/26/2011 9:16:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:16:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:16:56 PM
@Matsuoko, yes i have seen that article before, the vessel should have been scrapped at once.

by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 9:16:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:16:50 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:16:50 PM
@Matsuoko Re that bloomberg lik - Yeah, I think they want us to be grateful that all that fresh fuel was in the SFP rather than in that dodgy reactor. My, aren't we lucky!

by es at 3/26/2011 9:16:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:16:07 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:16:07 PM
@Alaskan We used to talk about the Bay of Fundy in class.

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 9:16:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:16:01 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:16:01 PM
I think nucs should be phased out - replaced by solar panels

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 9:15:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:15:40 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:15:40 PM
Big future in tidal power in many places. Water has much higher energy density than air and population desity is high along coasts, so little transmission loss. Plus, tides are 100% predictable, unlike stochastic resources like wind and even river flows.

by Alaskan at 3/26/2011 9:14:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:14:45 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:14:45 PM
@es Nobody knows :) Actually, they have billions of dollars in research $ every year for reneables.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:14:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:14:29 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:14:29 PM
The rover solar cells are 40% efficient - a typical commercial solar cell is currently 17%

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 9:13:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:13:44 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:13:44 PM
have you all read this worrying article ? www.bloomberg.com it is really hard to stand.

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 9:12:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:12:48 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:12:48 PM
The N°32 measurment of MExT is still very high (46 microSv/h); so that more than 20 milliSv. No evacuate ?

by Olivier at 3/26/2011 9:12:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:12:46 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:12:46 PM
@jojo Doing what exactly?

by es at 3/26/2011 9:12:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:12:19 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:12:19 PM
@hans, hydrogen cant be seen in air

by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 9:11:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:11:57 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:11:57 PM

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@es I hope so, but we've had the DOE for 30 odd years already.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:11:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:11:51 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:11:51 PM
@Paul (UK) 1:35 =D

by JPH at 3/26/2011 9:11:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:11:31 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:11:31 PM
www3.nhk.or.jp 1.4 mSv was found in a spot 30 km NW of the plant. So after 3 days (72 hours) it would be about 100 mSv. Yikes!

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:11:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:11:21 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:11:21 PM
@jojo With political backing renewables can very quickly become efficient.

by es at 3/26/2011 9:11:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:11:18 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:11:18 PM
its hydrogen

by hans at 3/26/2011 9:10:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:10:49 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:10:49 PM
in the latest webcam it looks like steam rising from Fukushima plant this morning.

by Tenzing at 3/26/2011 9:10:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:10:24 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:10:24 PM
@Matsuoko From what I've seen they have to be heavily subsidized, and are incredibly inefficient. That said, we should still push them purely for safety reasons.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:09:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:09:41 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:09:41 PM
@elainekirk2001, was also what i looked at thats not just steam

by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 9:08:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:08:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:08:32 PM
my dd received 30x2 grays for a braintumor. After two months no more hair, sick, tired more epilepsy, a beautiful shine on her face, concentration probs, wordfinding probs etc. The reason they give such patients that amount of radiation is b/c it makes life 'better' NOW and they won't live long enough anyhow, to experience the full result of radiation. www.bbc.co.uk . PUKE!!!! Gabke

by gabke at 3/26/2011 9:08:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:08:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:08:11 PM
Each place should have specific energy generation. Like cane refuse burning plants in Fl, geothermal in WY and Ca, saw dust pellets in the logging states, etc.

by marie rich at 3/26/2011 9:08:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:08:02 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:08:02 PM
@Jojo : i don't agree. there are plans to build up solar and wind parks in africa that would provide enough energy for europe and africa. it's just the money they cannot realize it now.

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 9:07:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:07:35 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:07:35 PM
we have no nuclear plants. lucky country here

by hans at 3/26/2011 9:07:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:07:33 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:07:33 PM
@ Jim Carver at 1:59- Finally, a good reason to be old!

by JPH at 3/26/2011 9:07:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:07:24 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:07:24 PM
@Nancy We have a wind farm just down the road. Texas has more wind power than any other state.

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 9:06:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:06:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:06:32 PM
@wolfdk what worries me more is the grey haze to the right of the steam it has shown when the light is right for 2 days at least sometimes you get steam too but the haze looks ominous

by elainekirk at 3/26/2011 9:06:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:06:30 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:06:30 PM
@all about www.bbc.co.uk. My dd received 30x2 gray for a brain tumor. Two months later all her hair is gone, she is sick, tired, cannot concentrate anymore, more epilepsy attacks, strange sensations in her head, a beautiful glow on her face, etc etc. The reason why they give these patients that amount of radiation is that they won't live long enough anyway!!!They will be death from the cancer before the full impact of the radiation. No IMMEDIATE danger, that's right.

by gabke at 3/26/2011 9:06:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:06:21 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:06:21 PM
@Nancy It will be...it's a slow process, but it's coming.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:05:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:05:23 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:05:23 PM
The air is cool there in the morning. There's always steam in the first shots. It's actually looking gless than yesterday at this time, but that could be wind or dew point.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 9:04:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:04:49 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:04:49 PM
@all hey, we seem to have alot more than nukes in common, vy cool

by marie rich at 3/26/2011 9:04:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:04:47 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:04:47 PM
@marie rich I want to be your friend. lol You are my kind of gal!

by Janis at 3/26/2011 9:04:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:04:43 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:04:43 PM
We have huge wind potential in SD and MN near where I live. We can't get enough line capacity or state cooperation in SD to fully take advantage. Meanwhile MN has made it a priority and has huge windfarms in SW MN. We just need it to be made a priority.

by Nancy at 3/26/2011 9:04:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:04:40 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:04:40 PM
@Matsuoko There is plenty of $ in renewables, the tech is just not there. Even so, we should expand it by fiat to reduce our exposure to nuclear/fossil fuels. We'll get there eventually.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:04:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:04:31 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:04:31 PM
@Janis for fun, I beat my hand-made african drum LOL really!

by marie rich at 3/26/2011 9:04:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:04:06 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:04:06 PM
@marie we should hang out, I run an eco-hostel in remote mexico :)

by Patrick Kelley at 3/26/2011 9:03:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:03:58 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:03:58 PM
Thanks guys, I have a wind generator and built my own computer. :)

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 9:03:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:03:57 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:03:57 PM
@Nancy In George Stewart's (magnificent) novel Earth Abides, after mankind had mostly been wiped out by a virus, the city-dwelling survivors who knew nothing about pre-industrial ways were the first to die.

by Bobby1 at 3/26/2011 9:03:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:03:52 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:03:52 PM
@Mina, seems #3 is still angry

by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 9:03:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:03:38 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:03:38 PM
lol

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 9:03:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:03:21 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:03:21 PM
@marie rich lol Marie. No way...YOU might have the last laugh some day. Good for you.

by Janis at 3/26/2011 9:03:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:03:21 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:03:21 PM
@Nancy BRB, need to churn some butter... :)

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:03:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:03:13 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:03:13 PM
@George Nah, just a weirdo...

by marie rich at 3/26/2011 9:02:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:02:52 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:02:52 PM
i wonder how much radioactivity is in this smoke every day

by hans at 3/26/2011 9:02:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:02:50 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:02:50 PM
@Alaskan I might be afraid to know the answer to your question.

by Janis at 3/26/2011 9:02:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:02:42 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:02:42 PM
The problem with renewables in the US is we have a big political lobby against it funded by oil and coal companies.

by Nancy at 3/26/2011 9:02:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:02:34 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:02:34 PM
there may not be money in renewables, but there is LIFE in it... I hope it will be enough of an incentive

by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 9:02:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:02:34 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:02:34 PM
@Nancy There are 104 nuke plants in the country. Given this disaster, they must look like an inviting target.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:02:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:02:34 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:02:34 PM
@marie rich your talking like a survivor

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 9:02:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:02:28 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:02:28 PM
smoke = hydrogen

by hans at 3/26/2011 9:02:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:02:09 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:02:09 PM
@Jim Come to my house. I hunt, fish, grow veggies and fruit, know how can food, and to tan skins! :)

by marie rich at 3/26/2011 9:01:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:01:50 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:01:50 PM
@Jojo : this is only a question of money. renewables can be done if they give them the money for research. but they prefer to spend it on nuclear energy.

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 9:01:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:01:47 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:01:47 PM
First pic after dawn, again smoke is seen: pointscope01.jp

by Mina via Pointscope01.jp at 3/26/2011 9:01:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:01:43 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:01:43 PM
There is no big money in renewable energy

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 9:01:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:01:40 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:01:40 PM
For that matter, what will happen when we lose our magnetic shielding from cosmic radiation next time the Earth's polarity reverses? This will be soon. Meanwhile, I believe distributed energy is part of the answer, along with conservation.

by Alaskan at 3/26/2011 9:01:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:01:35 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:01:35 PM
But I like my cell phone and internet.

by Nancy at 3/26/2011 9:01:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:01:30 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:01:30 PM
@Patrick Kelley Same thing with solar. Solar cells...concentrate a beam to boil water.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:01:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:01:26 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:01:26 PM

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@Patrick Kelley, Yes natural water circulation trough the core (no power required), much less residual heat in fuel elements (thorium fuel), the addition of a core catcher

by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 9:01:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:01:17 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:01:17 PM
Anyone else's computers adn phones being "slow" lately?? Do you think they are trying to shut down the nuclear stuff and shift to other stuff in preparation of telling us full story of Japan??

by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 9:01:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:01:14 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:01:14 PM
@ Jim, not all of us! :-)
Some of us still use some or know pre-industrial technology.

by Nancy at 3/26/2011 9:01:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:01:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:01:03 PM
I think we have no right to use nuclear power until we figure out how to do something a little more energy conscious then boiling water. Seriously, we waste so much energy to run a steam engine.... That right there explains how low tech we really are.

by Patrick Kelley at 3/26/2011 9:00:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:00:50 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:00:50 PM
@Jim Carver That's exactly what I think too

by Janis at 3/26/2011 9:00:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:00:46 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:00:46 PM
This from Kyodo: A researcher said Saturday he had warned two years ago about the possible risk of a massive tsunami hitting a nuclear power plant in Japan, but Tokyo Electric Power Co., the operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant crippled by the March 11 earthquake and ensuing tsunami, had brushed off the warning...

Okamura had warned in 2009 of massive tsunami based on his study since around 2004 of the traces of a major tsunami believed to have swept away about a thousand people in the year 869 after a magnitude 8.3 quake off northeastern Japan.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 9:00:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:00:45 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:00:45 PM
@WolfDK I actually was pro-nuclear before this disaster. I agree that renewables are not ready either, which means coal/natural gas/fossil fuels until we can improve renewables.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 9:00:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:00:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:00:11 PM
@Jim Carver you hit the nail on the head

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 9:00:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 9:00:05 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:00:05 PM
If there's an electromagnetic pulse of that magnitude from the sun or nuke bombs exploding in air- nothing, but nothing will be ok. Airplanes will fall out of the sky, cars built with electronic ugnition won't start, no cells, and worst- no computers.

by marie rich at 3/26/2011 8:59:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:59:50 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:59:50 PM
@Jojo. Yes and no. Some I have seen have good security. The one in Monticello has chain link fence with a few concrete dividers set in open driveways. No cameras, no security out and about. Someone could make a run for it and make it pretty far onto the complex. They do however have a large space of land around the plant. What has always worried me is the fact the plant is on the head of the Mississippi river. Any major water radiation would float downriver through the center of a bunch of major cities. It is identical to Fukushima design.

by Nancy at 3/26/2011 8:59:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:59:48 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:59:48 PM
Wouldn't take much to send us back to the 18th century. Trouble is people have forgotten how to live that way.

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 8:59:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:59:37 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:59:37 PM
@Jojo France: 85% of electricity from nuclear, France is 550 000 km2. Nogent-sur-Seine plan reactor is 94 km from Notre-Dame. The most density of nuclear reactor is in France not in the US.

by Olivier at 3/26/2011 8:59:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:59:35 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:59:35 PM
@George Gibb I hope you are right- about being able to rectify them

by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 8:59:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:59:24 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:59:24 PM
@Patrick Kelley Or an EMP attack? Or terrorist attack?

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:59:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:59:08 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:59:08 PM
I personally think that the wheels of progress are flat and we're on the verge of a global economic meltdown where the few people that realize what is actually going on and have prepared for it will survive. The survivors after this period will realize the past mistakes and finally be able to rectify them.

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 8:58:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:58:55 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:58:55 PM
I am not pro nor con nuclear power, but we have to be realistic here, solar power, windmills, geothermal, water power and other CO neutral power sources just wont cut it - yet

by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 8:58:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:58:49 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:58:49 PM
@wolfDK and if there is a solar flare that knocks out the earth's electrical grid? everything still ok?

by Patrick Kelley at 3/26/2011 8:57:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:57:36 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:57:36 PM
short info. tschernobyl was online till 2001, i wonder if fukushima will ever go online in the near future.

by hans at 3/26/2011 8:57:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:57:31 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:57:31 PM
Dawn over Fukushima Another day of uncertainty. www.tepco.co.jp

by marie rich at 3/26/2011 8:57:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:57:18 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:57:18 PM
@WolfDK The problem is that at this point nothing can convince me that they are safe. You can show me the plans that they are safe, but I won't believe you. Not that I think you're a liar :), just that I don't think it's possible to think of every contingency.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:57:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:57:17 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:57:17 PM
@WolfDK good point.

by Tenzing at 3/26/2011 8:56:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:56:39 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:56:39 PM
To me it looks like a news blackout and that would explain reuters pulling the plug.

by elainekirk at 3/26/2011 8:56:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:56:30 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:56:30 PM
BTW USA has the most nuclear power plants at 104. France has 58 and Japan has 54. www.euronuclear.org

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:56:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:56:26 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:56:26 PM
@Sky it's close to dawn if not dawn now

by Tenzing at 3/26/2011 8:56:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:56:05 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:56:05 PM
@Jojo, i believe that safe reactors can be made, there are new technologies and fuel types available. Main problems with Fukushima are: placement, reactor age, old tech, single point of failure (diesel fuel tanks), fuel type (MOX, Uranium), maintenance.

by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 8:55:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:55:38 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:55:38 PM
OK guys, is there any new news since the last few hours? I haven't seen anything new. Is that because it's night in Japan and updates usually come during Japan's daylight hours?

by Sky at 3/26/2011 8:55:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:55:21 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:55:21 PM
Clearly worrying about a nuclear accident in a Western country is no longer in the realm of the "paranoid", it's very very real. I would shut down all nuclear reactors because it's not 100% safe. Even if it's 1 in 10,000,000 chance of catastrophic failure, think of how many nuclear plants * the number of days and you'll see it's just a matter of time before the next Fukushima.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:54:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:54:43 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:54:43 PM
@Oliver I hadn't thought of that before.

by Tenzing at 3/26/2011 8:54:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:54:08 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:54:08 PM
Sorry if this was posted : Researcher warned 2 yrs ago of massive tsunami striking nuke plant english.kyodonews.jp

by Cath at 3/26/2011 8:53:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:53:51 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:53:51 PM
@Matsuoko And the Universe is expanding.

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 8:53:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:53:45 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:53:45 PM
@Oliver that is a very interesting point and something I'm going to ponder. I hadn

by Tenzing at 3/26/2011 8:53:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:53:44 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:53:44 PM
atomkraft will never be good energay

by hans at 3/26/2011 8:52:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:52:46 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:52:46 PM
@Tenzing : but you all do know that the constellations have shifted over the centuries ??? aries is not aries anymore.

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 8:52:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:52:33 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:52:33 PM
Clearly we can't fully control nuclear power. It's not "Soviet" designs like Chernobyl, Fukushima is a GE-designed plant that are used all over the world. It's clear that accidents happen, they always do. And you always have accidents that are never accounted for, that's just the limitation of how we think. It's also a limitation of design: you never think of all the ways it can fail because if you thought of it you would DESIGN AGAINST IT. Nuclear power is just not ready, perhaps some day.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:52:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:52:02 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:52:02 PM
@Tenzing. Yes nuclear energy is unsafe like others but the differnces is that nuclear energy needs totalitarism control of population (no escape for the 20-30 radius what do you think about it?) and information; Fukoshima vs Chernobyl? Think about Chernobyl without totalistarism control of population and 500,000 liquidators.

by Olivier at 3/26/2011 8:51:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:51:53 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:51:53 PM
Irony was for Jojo

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 8:50:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:50:54 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:50:54 PM
@Jim Carver Yes. Kind of get the same results either way with nuclear.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:49:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:49:35 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:49:35 PM
@Jim Carver Unfortunately many people lose the corrollary that just because you can doesn't mean you should.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 8:49:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:49:23 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:49:23 PM
@WolfDK That's irony for ya.

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 8:49:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:49:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:49:03 PM
@WolfDK So then we'll just keep these dangerous power plants open and hope for the best? See, that's not really a solution. We can't turn the power off now, but we need to look at these nuclear power plants for what they are: clearly unsafe. We need to build alternative sources of power, even coal/natural gas, and turn off nuke plants. Just not ready for prime time.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:48:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:48:47 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:48:47 PM
@Jojo I do not believe Nuclear Energy is safe and I don't believe I said that. I do believe that each individual has a responsibility to act on ones beliefs so I'm just asking what are you, what are we willing to do and where are we willing to compromise because compromise is essential when more than one element is involved.

by Tenzing at 3/26/2011 8:48:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:48:40 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:48:40 PM
@Jojo, angry customers in dark homes, rioting due to blackouts...

by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 8:47:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:47:14 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:47:14 PM
@Janis If you look at Chenobyl, may be as me you will discover how beautiful where the sulptures for windows on ordinary farms.
It was the same in Japan
We have to remember that Fukushima is nothing, really (it could be a n°8 disaster, right) but for now, ,it is nothing, when we look at all who have escaped. Our concerns here, because a few participants really live in japan, are about our security mainly. But we all also have a soul. So we must'nt forgive what the lucky ones, who have escaped, are living now. Fukushima is a real WORLD concern, but 300 000 persons have lost all. and, the worse, about 10 000 persons are in a 30 kms zone, where no one want to enter, and these 10 000 persons don't seem to have a way to get out of that zone.

Places, in the 30 kms, have not been touched by radiation . others have been hurted, and since 10 days now, officials rapports, external reports have localised that zone. Why is it not evacuated ? I don't know. But one day, as in Chernobyl, citizen of japan , and of the world will ask why . I hope it.... Final comment for today, I'm too sad and angry, this will be no more informative or productive. best wishes for Japan's people, we will nevet let you down!...

by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 8:47:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:47:08 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:47:08 PM
@Jojo Maybe less. The fleet is aging and they were built in the "we can do anything" era.

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 8:47:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:47:07 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:47:07 PM
angela merkel is the biggest lie canchelor in world. she is pro atom

by hans at 3/26/2011 8:47:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:47:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:47:03 PM

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@Tenzing I agree. All attention must focus on this task.

by es at 3/26/2011 8:46:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:46:49 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:46:49 PM
@WolfDK : do you believe in the lies of Angela Merkel ?

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 8:46:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:46:34 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:46:34 PM
@WolfDK Right, so why aren't they shutting down these old reactors TODAY? Just roll the dice every day? And how do we KNOW these reactors are safe? You can't trust the nuclear companies that make them because they will always say they are safe.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:45:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:45:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:45:56 PM
My hope out of this is that against all odds it is contained, the people are relocated somewhere safer, and we actually talk this over without sugar-coating the issues to sell a bad technology. If we use fission at all, it has to be treated like the snarling beast it actually is. Yes you can harness it, but don't ever lose control for a second. We've been a bit cavalier about our abilities to deal with disasters of our own making, obviously.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 8:45:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:45:46 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:45:46 PM
this is the worst technik ever. energy is our death future

by hans at 3/26/2011 8:45:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:45:17 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:45:17 PM
@Tenzing, that would be a good start and seems to be what Germany is planing to do after the Fukushima accident

by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 8:45:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:45:16 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:45:16 PM
@Tenzing I can view the Fukushima accident and clearly see nuclear power is unsafe. How can you think it's safe, we'll only have a worldwide release of massive radioactive contamination every 20-30 years and that's ok?

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:44:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:44:05 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:44:05 PM
So there is fresh water now. This is a good new but ... for how long ? The capacity of US navy seems to me very little.

by Olivier at 3/26/2011 8:44:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:44:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:44:03 PM
@all so maybe we need to clean up our mess as in the old reactors.

by Tenzing at 3/26/2011 8:43:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:43:34 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:43:34 PM
@jojo, Not a problem with modern reactors, old ones on the other hand..

by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 8:42:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:42:45 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:42:45 PM
in austria we are circled of 20 nuklear plants, 4 without containment vessel. this is a really serious situation....pls turn off nuklear plants

by hans at 3/26/2011 8:42:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:42:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:42:11 PM
@Jojo They're "designed to handle that... after all, they have to contain a nuclear reactor" Reassuring eh?

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 8:41:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:41:59 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:41:59 PM
@Jojo & radioguy we can always plan for the worst case scenario, humans by nature exaggerate almost from birth. Jojo If you truly believe that Nuclear Energy is unsafe and impossible to contain then what are you willing to do about your beliefs?

by Tenzing at 3/26/2011 8:41:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:41:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:41:56 PM
But please don't post on here what terrorists could do to maximize damage. You get the point though.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:41:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:41:35 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:41:35 PM
Terrorists watch TV, they must be licking their chops right now. Just think driving a truck bomb through the gates, crashing into a reactor, and detonating. I bet a lot of nuke plants don't even have gates.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:40:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:40:47 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:40:47 PM
We'll need help from someone with lots better technology (maybe future us) to bring that picture to fruition for Fukushima. It's going to be damaged for a long time.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 8:40:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:40:43 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:40:43 PM
@olivier. Good summary. lemonde.fr still provides daily accounts on the nuclear crisis and also about the terrible situations people have to face in the norht.

by nestor at 3/26/2011 8:40:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:40:29 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:40:29 PM
@all Not sure if this has been posted - the BBC's current watering down of the threat of radiation: www.bbc.co.uk

by es at 3/26/2011 8:40:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:40:16 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:40:16 PM
@ Jojo: Haven't you learned even up to the latest news of every country: Every reactor is safe and was safe - until something unexpected happens. In that case we can still use the phrase "however".

by Max at 3/26/2011 8:39:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:39:51 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:39:51 PM
There is room for humanities as well as science, people need both, fuku after all means well-being or good fortune, so hopefully fukushima will once again be an 'island of good fortune'

by andyjsha at 3/26/2011 8:39:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:39:00 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:39:00 PM
@Jojo good point

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 8:38:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:38:41 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:38:41 PM
@Tenzing I don't think it's possible. Ergo...

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:38:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:38:09 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:38:09 PM
Yes... "Completely safe" until something goes wrong, then "Who could have expected?"

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 8:38:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:38:05 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:38:05 PM
@jojo good question! So how do we make them safe?

by Tenzing at 3/26/2011 8:37:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:37:47 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:37:47 PM
I mean, Fukushima was "safe", up until the minute it wasn't. How are all the reactors in the world safe from other kinds of natural disaster, or even terrorist attacks? Sabotage?

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:37:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:37:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:37:03 PM
OK, accepted as there are no real news available so far - be them good or bad;-( I fear tomorrow I have to read some 20 pages of ..., ok, my problem

by Max at 3/26/2011 8:36:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:36:48 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:36:48 PM
The salient point in my post on the astrology is that the status quo will, at this point in the cycle, do anything they can to hang on. Lying to protect their interests is the least of it. Anyone been watching politics for the past 3 years? Ever seen anything like it?

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 8:35:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:35:48 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:35:48 PM
@JPH ... and I'll bet he's Grateful to be Dead right now! ;-)

by Paul (UK) at 3/26/2011 8:35:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:35:27 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:35:27 PM
@Tenzing But the problem is how can you trust any engineering from the nuclear industry is "safe"? If Fukushima wasn't deemed safe, why was it allowed to remain operational? If Fukushima was deemed safe, how can future words of "safety" mean anything?

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:35:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:35:22 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:35:22 PM
@max I think there is room for Science and Humanity

by Tenzing at 3/26/2011 8:34:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:34:15 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:34:15 PM
@Future Isnow Well yeah, there are different types of faults and while I'm not extremely up on the techtonics of that region, I know it was a strike-slip fault. Those are the most dangerous for earthquakes because they store up potential energy and then release it suddenly. Some faults just "creep" along and no problem. It actually has to do with the composition of the rock. Researchers in CA found that in areas where faults creep, there is a layer of talc that provides a lubricant. But the average displacement for these two types of faults can be the same.

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 8:34:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:34:13 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:34:13 PM
@Tenzing exactly. Check that timing. Uranus enters the sign of war and rapid action on the same day the plant blows.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 8:33:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:33:40 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:33:40 PM
sorry, but are these recent personal chats really help this page - or the facts to be clarified?

by Max at 3/26/2011 8:33:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:33:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:33:03 PM
@Jojo I think it begins with the quality of construction of the site/plant according to the geographic environment.

by Tenzing at 3/26/2011 8:32:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:32:48 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:32:48 PM
@Marie My feeling about "Le Monde" and "Liberation" Fukushima's cover. A lot of differences from 1986 and Chernobyl (you know when french government said that the contamination stopped at the french frontiers...). In fact "glasnost" is better BUT France is the most nuclear country in the world. The strangest is that some "incidents" (The Blayais power plant with diesel generators out of order in 1999 not by tsunami, only with wind and sea...) are now known (but denied a month ago). Sarkozy offers "french expertise " to Japan because "french reactors and EPR are the best..." as he offers french expertise to Tunisia last december... Le Monde has not an antinuclear position but it seems to me that they cover a lot the accident (on television it is now 20'). The fact is that french government and Areva (The Mox "dealer" around the world) want to save french nuclear the official communication don't know what to do ("Fukushima is not a problem" or "Fukushima is a problem but in France we have the solution with EPR"). All french analyses are pertubated with the 2012 presidential elections. "Official" press is now far from Fukushima (and near Libya with Sarkozy). Tomorow there are local elections in France and the "green" party did last sunday a very good 8.9% (I apologise about the 15% of National FronT Party...). Next monday I am sure that "french communication" will be under "order". Best regards

by Olivier at 3/26/2011 8:32:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:32:13 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:32:13 PM
@Tenzing Agreed. At this point though what can be done to make nuclear reactors "safe"? Meaning no possibility of this happening again.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:31:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:31:38 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:31:38 PM
@radioguy This is true and I'm an Aries born in 1961 with 4 planets in Aries. Uranus moved into Aries on March 11, 2011. Gives a whole different perspective to GRAVITY.

by Tenzing at 3/26/2011 8:31:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:31:33 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:31:33 PM
Sorry, it's really poignant to see how beautiful that area was before, and how normal life was.

by Janis at 3/26/2011 8:31:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:31:15 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:31:15 PM
@radioguy good post

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 8:31:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:31:01 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:31:01 PM
fukushim 5.00 am pointsSorry Max but the lackcope01.jp

by hans edited by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 8:30:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:30:57 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:30:57 PM
@Tenzing It

by Janis at 3/26/2011 8:30:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:30:47 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:30:47 PM
@NHK Listener oH , I just get it, it took me some time ,-) BTW, it's closer too to Areva, which sell the Mox, and japan will meet us before they meet 3 milles island . put [joking] or anything else in your comment, damned ;-)

by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 8:30:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:30:40 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:30:40 PM
"Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us." Jerry Garcia

by JPH at 3/26/2011 8:30:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:30:13 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:30:13 PM
@Paul: Lol! nice to see a good sense of humour! we need it!

by nestor at 3/26/2011 8:29:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:29:12 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:29:12 PM
Oh, Mars is about to dive in with both feet. On April Fools Day (no less) it enters Aries and into conjunction with Uranus. By the new moon on the 3rd there will be 6 planets in Aries. This is just the pre-ignition sequence now. (Been an astrologer for 40 years. This past three has taught me more about the granularity of it than the previous 37 years together. It's been textbook. We're in the end game now of an epic battle between the forces of the status quo, which we all know is fubar, and the forces of radical change. And we really have to be on the side of radical change. You see it in the revolutions in the Middle east, you saw it in BP--Deepwater Horizon fell on the last contact of this aspect last April.--we saw it in the economic meltdown that started this whole 3 year transit. I know believing in astrology moves me over the line for many, but I've watched it for too long not to. Oh. The metal of Uranus is, of course, uranium.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 8:29:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:29:06 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:29:06 PM

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@all a little twist on our perspective of Fukushima and what it means to 2,043,663 + ppl fuku-tabi.jp

by Tenzing at 3/26/2011 8:28:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:28:38 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:28:38 PM
Superman!!! Where are you? We need you... now!!! [but watch out for the deadly Kryptonite!]

by Paul (UK) at 3/26/2011 8:27:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:27:44 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:27:44 PM
@Future Isnow Closer to Three mile island..

by NHK Listener at 3/26/2011 8:27:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:27:19 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:27:19 PM
@Jim Carver on the ground , 5 meters is not alot, not a mile, ok . but for a country which moved 0.58 cm a YEAR, each years or so, to move suddenly 5 meter west ... that talk

by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 8:27:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:27:13 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:27:13 PM
@Matsuoko: we Do care about it! except we're not listened at all; too much profit in it to think of new sources of energy, I guess...

by nestor at 3/26/2011 8:26:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:26:12 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:26:12 PM
@Future Isnow Future technology may be able to recycle and deal with it. This is beyond our capability at the present time. That's the reason we shouldn't be playing with it. Like a kid with matches.

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 8:25:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:25:39 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:25:39 PM
and Fukushima is NOT chernobyl for now...

by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 8:23:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:23:28 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:23:28 PM
@jgbarr Don't... this blog say the good and the bad, you have to make your opinion, an average opinion . don't lost hope, it make you weak . remember one thing : the man wo take the first picture of chernobyl, from a chopper, is the only one who is still live, and he was shooting from the outside. I remember his words: you have to say no, you must eat well, and fight. you can find it in a movie called "battle for Tchernobyl"

by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 8:22:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:22:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:22:56 PM
@Tenzing Agreed. We have a chance (at this time) to change the course of history. I agree. Let's pool together. There is a reason why we are all here together.

by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 8:22:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:22:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:22:03 PM
@Future Isnow I'm figuring the displacement at 1-2 miles with a quick and dirty calculation. Landscape doesn't change that much in that short amount of time.

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 8:22:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:22:00 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:22:00 PM
@Jojo : the French are real hardliners towards nuclear energy. 80% of their energy is nuclear, but people do not care a lot.

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 8:21:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:21:51 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:21:51 PM
@radioguy AGREED! I pray that this horrible thing wakes us all up!

by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 8:21:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:21:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:21:11 PM
@all I have a request/idea. Because there are so many brilliant intellects and hearts communicating here can we pool our resources and create a discussion based on how we can effect a positive change in the way Nuclear Energy is regulated (including construction and location of sites) from a global perspective and the possibilities/ideas about what seems to be the inevitable entombment of Fukushima Plant 1. I do believe we are living in what may become a turning point in history.

by Tenzing at 3/26/2011 8:21:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:21:09 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:21:09 PM
I'm actually hopeful in a strange way, because we absolutely needed something to shake us out of our complacency and make us stop believing the corporate PR so readily. Questions will be asked. Answers will have to be dragged out, but the questions at this point are not going away. That's good.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 8:20:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:20:33 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:20:33 PM
www.greenaudit.org

by andyjsha at 3/26/2011 8:20:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:20:28 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:20:28 PM
The British dumped radioactive waste in the Irish Sea and the French in the English Channel. The Irish have been worried about this for many years - interesting article mentions risks of living in coastal areas, particular those with estuaries and mud flats.

by andyjsha at 3/26/2011 8:20:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:20:23 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:20:23 PM
Reuters Engineers toil to pump out Japan plant www.reuters.com

by kgriff at 3/26/2011 8:20:18 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:20:18 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:20:18 PM
@George Gibb : good anecdote. but in this respect, Venus is the better example of post-capitalistic action than Mars. they have an intense warming up there.

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 8:18:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:18:53 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:18:53 PM
@Jim Carver last question, I type too much ;) you say that 200 000 years is "about 10% of the time our species has been around." I agree on that, and everyone must agree. So what do you think about human, in 2011, who make energy whith some waste that will need 200 000 years to be not harmfull . does it make sense for you ?

by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 8:18:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:18:25 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:18:25 PM
@jgbarr That is the one thing you cannot lose. We (us here) have been brought together to bolster eachother as we go through this. We are here to help each other through information and shared concerns. HUGS.

by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 8:18:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:18:19 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:18:19 PM
link for the fukashima webcam www.tepco.co.jp

by kgriff at 3/26/2011 8:17:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:17:59 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:17:59 PM
I'm still boggling at Geithner saying he didn't think this would impact the Economic Recovery™ I live on the rim, and I can see market fears driving many products out of the markets.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 8:17:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:17:12 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:17:12 PM
I am starting to lose hope now, to be honest.

by jgbarr at 3/26/2011 8:17:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:17:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:17:11 PM
5 am JST pointscope01.jp

by kgriff via Pointscope01.jp at 3/26/2011 8:17:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:17:06 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:17:06 PM
@Future Isnow Wow, do you guys have private non-profits in France testing the water? I live in Southern California we have groups like Save Our Beach, though I don't think they test for radioactivity.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:16:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:16:41 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:16:41 PM
@Radioguy- we all have choice... I meant that some people have those choices to make that will affect us all. i pray they do the right things.

by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 8:16:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:16:16 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:16:16 PM
damage of radioation www.youtube.com

by hans at 3/26/2011 8:16:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:16:14 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:16:14 PM
I really like the article from the guy in Venezuela about the reason there is no life on Mars is that they invented capitalism.

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 8:16:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:16:02 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:16:02 PM
don't forget the genetical damage of radiation. it alters the DNA. it's not just cancer that people face.

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 8:15:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:15:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:15:32 PM
@Future Isnow 200 000 years is about a second in a day of the earth. In human times, about 10% of the time our species has been around.

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 8:15:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:15:30 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:15:30 PM
@Jim Carver I should have be more precise : fault line have been said to have moved for 30 meters under Japan. on the ground, some place have moved from 5 meters to the west... So , in 200 000 years, what could be the situation of Japan ???

by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 8:15:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:15:22 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:15:22 PM
@Jojo : all kinds of cancer.

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 8:14:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:14:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:14:03 PM
Fish don't respect national borders. Neither do currents.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 8:13:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:13:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:13:32 PM
@Jim Carver as a geologist, what is 200 000 years, in terms of earth, then in term of human ?

by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 8:13:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:13:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:13:11 PM
@Janis Absolutely. There are plenty of fish swimming right now in contaminated waters. There will be health problems from that. And one difference from this compared to the Gulf oil spill is the long-lasting nature of some elements. What kinds of cancer can fish get?

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:13:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:13:04 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:13:04 PM
LOL Who said you could change anything? ;)

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 8:12:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:12:34 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:12:34 PM
@radioguy agreed. we are all here, right now, for a reason. we are here to witness, to learn, and to live. I pray we make the differences we are meant to make.

by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 8:12:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:12:33 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:12:33 PM
As a geologist, we are used to thinking in large time scales, but the human in me still reels at this.

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 8:12:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:12:12 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:12:12 PM
@radioguy I would kill Marie Curie when she was under 2à ;-)

by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 8:11:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:11:56 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:11:56 PM
@Dennis Tucker Jr- too bad they keep upping things that are "acceptable" as we become mroe tollerant of it. (sorry spelling/typos)

by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 8:11:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:11:39 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:11:39 PM
don't worry... the gov't will declare the radioactivity in everything to be below harmful levels.. thereby making it safe

by tippytoe at 3/26/2011 8:11:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:11:23 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:11:23 PM
Meretisa, I guess I meant in dangerous levels...But then how would I know if it was now, I guess.

by Janis at 3/26/2011 8:11:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:11:20 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:11:20 PM
@Jojo I deeply agree on that, but that was what country have done until 1996. and some exeptions remains, mainly because what was prohibited was the release of barrels, in international seas... but, if it is not barrels, and if it is in your national water, the london convention don't apply ... :(

by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 8:11:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:11:03 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:11:03 PM
@Dennis, Yikes, true

by Janis at 3/26/2011 8:10:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:10:45 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:10:45 PM
I talked to an old friend the other day. Kinda a woowoo guy but he said something that struck me as a useful thought process in times like these. If you were a time traveler, but you could only go one place, where would you go? Somewhere idyllic? Myself, I'd want to see the fall of Atlantis if it existed. So suppose the only way you could time travel like this was to be borne into the place and live it? So live it. You came to watch this unfold.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 8:10:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:10:38 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:10:38 PM

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@Janis it's already in the food chain... has been since we started in like 1948. Where is that link to all the detonations since then? Like 2000+ of them? It is already all around us... this is just increasing it.

by Meretisa at 3/26/2011 8:10:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:10:28 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:10:28 PM
@Janis "FDA Approved" will take on a whole new meaning.

by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 8:10:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:10:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:10:11 PM
@Jojo I think that's among my biggest fears...this stuff getting into the food chain and being around for hundreds of years.

by Janis at 3/26/2011 8:09:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:09:12 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:09:12 PM
@Future Isnow Sure, it will dilute. But the ocean isn't infinite. Also, it's not uniform. You might get a bunch of radioactive material dumped on the seabed right next to your beaches for 200 years.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:08:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:08:08 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:08:08 PM
I just can't see them carting around all that stuff and making a new dump.

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 8:08:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:08:02 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:08:02 PM
yw george

by Dean at 3/26/2011 8:07:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:07:58 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:07:58 PM
cya Dean thanks for the info as usual

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 8:07:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:07:40 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:07:40 PM
@Jim Carver I know..

by NHK Listener at 3/26/2011 8:07:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:07:21 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:07:21 PM
nice chatting with you all.. please keep positive as you can, thoughts go deeply out for japan ,, hold together

by Dean at 3/26/2011 8:07:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:07:19 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:07:19 PM
Nothing new... ok, thanks.

by Poland at 3/26/2011 8:07:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:07:02 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:07:02 PM
@Jim Carver LOl, quite True : new Reuters, but better, LOL

by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 8:06:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:06:20 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:06:20 PM
@Matsuoko Absolutely.

by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 8:06:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:06:14 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:06:14 PM
@Poland Welcome to New Ruters

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 8:05:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:05:48 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:05:48 PM
@Poland not at the moment... down until the story gets big again

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 8:05:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:05:42 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:05:42 PM
@Dennis Tucker Jr : yep agree. moreover, if you find Co60 outside of vessel, it indicates a vessel breach.

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 8:05:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:05:41 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:05:41 PM
@Jojo I don't think so, ocean is huge. remember that 100 000 tons of high activity waste have been disposed by several countries near england and france, and in othe places. We still have La Hague, which release every day, from a 3 kms pipeline in sea, radioactive product (off course, they have not the bequerels found in the water in the underground of Fukushima) but this is every day. We have some russian river who do the same, from old deposit (?) we have some US river who do the same from old deposit, etc, etc... Sea and water is the nuclear Trashcan, unfortunately . this is always the same sentence: it will dilute, it will be spray away, etc...

by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 8:05:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:05:31 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:05:31 PM
True Debra. Sometimes I need to have more of a filter I know! :)

by Janis at 3/26/2011 8:04:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:04:49 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:04:49 PM
Reuters doesn't work?

by Poland at 3/26/2011 8:04:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:04:42 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:04:42 PM
@Matsuoko What I (we're) trying to tell you is that the cobalt in the steel of the liner is bound to be melted by the Corium which will then alter the state of the steel AND make it radioactive before something flushes it out [to sea, at this point]. Which IMPLIES a meltdown has happened [and may still be happening].

by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 8:04:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:04:19 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:04:19 PM
@Debra Wow... I was there too. It seemed like a terrible idea then, and a worse idea now.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 8:04:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:04:11 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:04:11 PM
@Janis lol, after 50 there's no holding back. Watching all this unfold takes me back to the time I spent protesting the opening of Diablo Canyon. Then, as now, I still wonder why people make dangerous things they can't fix when they break. Then give those dangerous things ocean view homes on earthquake fault lines.

by Debra Beckham at 3/26/2011 8:02:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:02:55 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:02:55 PM
@Tzenzing That's been the plan all along I think, but it just keeps having more chaotic variables added.

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 8:02:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:02:38 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:02:38 PM
@Dennis Tucker Jr : well, i really don't know what happens in extreme circumstances. but stainless steel is not supposed to corrode and of course you don't want corrosion in a reactor vessel. so, corrosion should not happen in an intact vessel. as a consequently, the vessel is ruined.

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 8:02:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:02:00 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:02:00 PM
this japanese filmmaker shows us the reality. fiction becoms reality www.youtube.com !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by hans at 3/26/2011 8:01:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:01:45 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:01:45 PM
@NHK Listener They removed most of it, maybe. But, that plant operated less than a year. This thing has been around a lot longer and many times more fuel and spent fuel is involved.

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 8:01:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:01:40 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:01:40 PM
@radioguy I don't think you move the 'suckers' I think you cool - isolate - encase - and enclose them.

by Tenzing at 3/26/2011 8:01:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:01:36 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:01:36 PM
@Matsuko Wait till a smoldering pile of uranium and plutonium is over?

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 8:01:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:01:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:01:32 PM
@Matsuoko Wow, that's just startling.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:01:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:01:19 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:01:19 PM
@you My point is that a lot of people eat a lot of fish from the Pacific. if it only took a few days for the air to get to Nor Cal...

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 8:00:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 8:00:32 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:00:32 PM
@Future Isnow We've tracked how wind moves on mainland Japan. Has any tracked estimated radioactivity from the tons and tons of radioactive seawater, and how those will move in the Pacific currents?

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:59:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:59:55 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:59:55 PM
i really have no idea what they could effectively do now. it can be compared to a volcano. you can only sit and wait until its over. and spray some water on important things.

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 7:59:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:59:55 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:59:55 PM
@Matsuoko Unless the corrosion is caused by a 2800 degree Celsius ball of Corium inside of a containment vessel....

by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/26/2011 7:59:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:59:40 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:59:40 PM
@Jim Carver They didn't fill in Three mile island did they?

by NHK Listener at 3/26/2011 7:59:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:59:14 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:59:14 PM
typo, err threats!!

by Jeff at 3/26/2011 7:58:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:58:45 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:58:45 PM
@Jojo true, and not only in Tuna. and cesium is not the worst, unfortunately... :(

by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 7:58:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:58:40 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:58:40 PM
SO, in a nutshell, the waste management strategy consisted of thousands of long, thin assemblies filled with thousands of fuel pellets, and this totally elegant system to move these nice discrete but seriously dangerous assemblies around. So, now that they're all in various sates of liquidity and non-discreteness, how do you move the suckers?

by radioguy at 3/26/2011 7:58:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:58:02 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:58:02 PM
The only reason to keep it cool is so it doesn't melt. If it goes past that point it just a big mass that could lead to criticality. But if it has already melted, well there's not much you can do but cover it.

by Jim Carver at 3/26/2011 7:57:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:57:42 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:57:42 PM
@Dean What extra treats are posed by the added plutonium, besides its half-life?

by Jeff at 3/26/2011 7:57:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:57:36 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:57:36 PM
@Future Isnow No problem until they start measuring Cesium levels in tuna that is.

by Jojo at 3/26/2011 7:56:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:56:29 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:56:29 PM
and I guess water is the main thing we have lots of, hence the use of sea water first for how close it was and the abundance of it.

by Rexz at 3/26/2011 7:56:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:56:21 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:56:21 PM
@NHK Listener thanks for links. they still nowhere say where they will put the water pumped out. I really believe they will just put in in the sea, as in every article, they always mention that there is no probleme with radioactiv dilution in the sea.

by Future Isnow at 3/26/2011 7:55:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:55:52 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:55:52 PM
@radioguy : but corrosion never produces Co60, only Co59. and corrosion should not happen in stainless steel. and moreover not in a reactor vessel. corrosion is very unlikely.

by Matsuoko at 3/26/2011 7:55:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:55:52 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:55:52 PM
@jojo, i'm no nuclear physicist so can't really answer that, but from what ive heard and learnt is that cooling it seems to be the major concern currently. I expect they need to keep the spent fuel covered to prevent melting of the fuel and keep cooling and pressure under control in the vessel. If either of these go out of the workable limits, i'm sure we would be in for a worse situation than current.

by Rexz at 3/26/2011 7:54:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:54:34 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:54:34 PM
@Dean, I remember reading something about Plutonium emitting more intense neutrons, or was it faster ? anyway it was mentioned it could hamper the efforts

by WolfDK at 3/26/2011 7:54:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:54:22 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:54:22 PM
ok thanks

by George Gibb at 3/26/2011 7:54:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/26/2011 7:54:10 PM" ) )Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:54:10 PM

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