Japan Earthquake LIVE- History

Japan Earthquake LIVE
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I am curious. Is the Japanese media more timid or deferential than their Western counterparts? Because I cannot imagine an American nuclear company being allowed to vacillate and obfuscate like Tepco. From lying to their employees about the radiation levels, not having protective gear, failing to have a plutonium measuring device, to misreporting radioactivity levels...... This would not be tolerated in the US and I'm wondering if its a cultural or institutional difference?

by Andy at 3/27/2011 2:38:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:38:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:38:20 AM
I was just watching the CNIC presentation recommended here earlier at: www.ustream.tv . I watched the part on the pressure history of the reactor and containment vessel of reactor 1 since the quake. A simple story based on simple data. From the pressure history, it is quite clear that the quake inflicted decisive damage on the reactor vessel immediately, resulting in loss of pressure that the containment could not contain. People living near nuclear plants of similar design built in quake-prone areas should listen up. Hello, California, anyone using this design there!

by Peter Melzer at 3/27/2011 2:36:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:36:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:36:16 AM
@sinthia thanks!

by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 2:34:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:34:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:34:08 AM
Look how high the tsunami gets in this video...I'd say at least 30-35feet based on the stories of the building across the way - www.liveleak.com

by Grizzly at 3/27/2011 2:31:55 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:31:55 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:31:55 AM
@Jane. Thanks. People do not realise that the Chernobyl fallout got as far as it did and scoff at the information. On another note I have a chopper on a 20-30 min flyover rate here. Have you got anything down there? I'm wondering if theyre monitoring as I deffo had alpha last night but it has gone today fortunately

by Charlie at 3/27/2011 2:30:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:30:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:30:36 AM
TEPCO press conference expected soon at iwakamiyasumi.com Not sure if/when NHK will report it but Katz will probably cover it at: yokosonews.com

by es at 3/27/2011 2:30:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:30:02 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:30:02 AM
IAEA Briefing on Fukushima Nuclear Accident (27 March 2011, 13:30 UTC) www.iaea.org

by Sinthia Domina at 3/27/2011 2:28:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:28:21 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:28:21 AM
allthingsnuclear.org has a new article up about "where did the water in the spent fuel pools go?" . Was just posted 40min ago.

by Lethbridgean at 3/27/2011 2:27:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:27:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:27:51 AM
I don't know if this has been posted, update from allthingsnuclear allthingsnuclear.org

by Patrick Kelley at 3/27/2011 2:27:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:27:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:27:40 AM
@Tepco re-analysis If they were using the type of detector which is on a boom (which seems reasonable), they are particularly sensitive. A radtech usually follows up with a hand-held. Or...they could be lying. js...

by marie rich at 3/27/2011 2:27:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:27:21 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:27:21 AM
Hi Guys! So they're back pedaling I take it?

by Jim Carver at 3/27/2011 2:27:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:27:06 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:27:06 AM
"President Dwight D. Eisenhower declared the policy of the US government to be `keep the public confused'" about nuclear issues www.llrc.org

by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 2:26:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:26:50 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:26:50 AM
Cooling pool 4 has around 1300 fuel rods in it if I remember correctly. 500 + from the reactor, 700+ that were already "cooling". Packed.

by Lethbridgean at 3/27/2011 2:20:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:20:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:20:35 AM
BBC on the TEPCO mistake: Japan nuclear crisis: Radiation spike report 'mistaken' www.bbc.co.uk

by James Ward at 3/27/2011 2:19:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:19:30 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:19:30 AM
@James Ward : in fact, it somehow doesn't matter anymore what they measure. i think the reactor state is very obvious, with or without their data and their lies. i am really looking forward to the coming documentaries in 2 or 3 years.

by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 2:19:05 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:19:05 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:19:05 AM
Utility retests reactor water after radioactivity spikes www.cnn.com

by Sinthia Domina at 3/27/2011 2:18:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:18:17 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:18:17 AM
Tokyo has light winds blowing from Fukushima area www.jma.go.jp

by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 2:16:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:16:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:16:53 AM
@Sinthia Domina Excellent point on the unspent fuel at #4.

by James Ward at 3/27/2011 2:15:44 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:15:44 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:15:44 AM
As for the debate about #4 melting down, keep in mind that the unspent fuel was also being stored in the spent fuel pool of #4.

by Sinthia Domina at 3/27/2011 2:14:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:14:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:14:04 AM
My pleasure, @George Gibb. This ship is holding up pretty well. Full speed ahead, mates.
Steaming right along fine; no neutron boost needed to stoke the avid discourse.
With apparent self-dosimetering on the posts, Mods hopefully won't need lotsa virtual fresh or seawater to douse any spike.
> thanks for the help last night. Things got a little crazy last night when they announced
> the 10mil reading. The lack on news reporting really added to the anxieties for all.

by alblee at 3/27/2011 2:13:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:13:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:13:59 AM
The latest situation with TEPCO reporting massively elevated radiation readings, and then claiming later that was a mistake, is just one example of the difficulties in understanding what's going on at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear facility. It is becoming increasingly more difficult to accept anything they tell us as truth.

by James Ward at 3/27/2011 2:13:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:13:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:13:42 AM
Charlie is correct there are many farms still affected by Chernobyl to this day. I live in Wales and it is still here after all these years.

by jane at 3/27/2011 2:13:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:13:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:13:07 AM
www.guardian.co.uk

by jane at 3/27/2011 2:11:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:11:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:11:59 AM
Good link by Karen for the Chief Cabinet Secretary videos (includes reporters questions and answers) nettv.gov-online.go.jp

by Sinthia Domina at 3/27/2011 2:11:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:11:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:11:53 AM
it is true, this tepco lying ruins my nervs. i really feel like hitting some tepco official. will go out and play my children instead ....

by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 2:11:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:11:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:11:01 AM
@borrrden Oh, completely agree. I think they should definitely do that. And do the plutonium analysis while they are at it for the turbine hall 3 water as well.

by vasra at 3/27/2011 2:10:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:10:45 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:10:45 AM
ZMAG Japanese nuclear plant accident in Fukushima Weather in the crisis region. translate.google.com

by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 2:08:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:08:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:08:31 AM
@vasra There is nothing wrong with double checking an analysis.

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 2:08:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:08:17 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:08:17 AM
Kyodo: 27.3. right about now, c. 23:0X Japan time: english.kyodonews.jp "Tokyo Electric said it will reanalyze the data after some doubts were raised. Nishiyama said the utility company will review the part which showed a massive release of radioactive elements with relatively short so-called ''half-life'' periods, such as iodine-134" So, they don't *believe* the data, because high I-134 levels would *confirm* an ongoing active fission in reactor 2 now. They don't thing it's possible. According to outside experts it is, if the fuel rods get damaged (they are) and the fuel chugs to bottom (nobody knows) and starts to pool (we don't know). What we do know that none of the 1-3 reactors are anywhere near cold shutdown.

by vasra at 3/27/2011 2:07:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:07:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:07:16 AM
@Charlie : no that wasn't me.

by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 2:07:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:07:11 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:07:11 AM
@ those that are a we bit volatile - breathe in - breathe out - relax.

by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 2:06:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:06:25 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:06:25 AM
Trying to say that the appearance of Cirincione is significant in terms of White House acceptance and understanding of situation

by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 2:05:11 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:05:11 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:05:11 AM
@borrrden : it's true. sometimes you yanks forget that this is an international forum ;)

by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 2:03:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:03:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:03:24 AM
I was labelled a troll and scaremonger yesterday by matsuoko for posting reports on radiation readings in england and for lying about 3/4 million radioactive sheep in the cumbrian moors 25 years after Chernobyl. matsuoko's ignorance must be bliss for him,

by Charlie at 3/27/2011 2:03:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:03:12 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:03:12 AM
@Bobby1 : okay. you are back ;)

by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 2:02:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:02:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:02:36 AM
@Bobby1 That joke might not translate culturally :-S

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 2:02:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:02:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:02:35 AM
@Matsuoko You need to chill out and back off. Here's Cirincione's biography, I advise you to read it: en.wikipedia.org

by James Ward at 3/27/2011 2:02:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:02:26 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:02:26 AM
@Matsuoko Sheesh, that was comment on US politics, where anyone who speaks against nuclear power is labeled as "radical" or "hippie"

by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 2:01:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:01:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:01:54 AM
@James Ward @Charlie : but this is not a "core". core always is the vessel, not the SFP.

by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 2:01:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:01:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:01:52 AM
Whoa...did I just hear right? They said that they are not sure it is Iodine-134 anymore that they found in the reactor 2 water on NHK's movie feed.

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 2:01:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:01:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:01:42 AM
@Matsuoko I guess you missed the comment below concerning the spent fuel pool in Reactor #4 being capable of also melting down. As far as Joe Cirincione is concerned, his reputation is above reproach.

by James Ward at 3/27/2011 2:00:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:00:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:00:31 AM
@Bobby1 : what are you talking ? "not a wild-eyed Greenpeace "hippie" or anything." this proves that you don't know anything what you are talking about. i judge you as a troll now.

by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 2:00:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 2:00:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:00:10 AM
@alblee Morning (here) Albert thanks for the help last night. Things got a little crazy last night when they announced the 10mil reading. The lack on news reporting really added to the anxieties for all.

by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 1:59:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:59:37 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:59:37 AM
@Matsuoko. The cooling pool will meltdown if it cant be kept cooled constantly. It will react just the same as if it were in the reactor but without the casing to hold in the radioactivity

by Charlie at 3/27/2011 1:58:17 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:58:17 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:58:17 AM
I watched that interview and took away that he said 2 and 3 will meltdown and there might be 2 pool fires. Candy then calls it a worse case scenario.

by Jeff at 3/27/2011 1:57:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:57:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:57:36 AM

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Time Check... It is close to UTC / GMT 14:00 (less than 5 minutes away)
It will be close to 23:00 Japan Standard Time
You can infer your local offset by checking the timestamp of this post.
Thanks.

by alblee at 3/27/2011 1:56:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:56:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:56:20 AM
@James Ward : there can only be 3 core meltdowns. 1 core is empty. so far the credibility of this guy !

by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 1:55:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:55:45 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:55:45 AM
Remember, MOX was sold as "anti-nuclear proliferation effort"

by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 1:55:43 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:55:43 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:55:43 AM
@James Ward No prob, I should have included link

by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 1:54:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:54:45 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:54:45 AM
@Bobby1 Okay...my bad. I totally misunderstood your comment. My apologies.

by James Ward at 3/27/2011 1:54:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:54:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:54:27 AM
Time check:

by alblee at 3/27/2011 1:54:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:54:26 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:54:26 AM
@James Ward Yeah, my remark was that this individual is from orthodox US power structure, not a wild-eyed Greenpeace "hippie" or anything

by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 1:52:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:52:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:52:34 AM
NHK www3.nhk.or.jp BBC www.bbc.co.uk

by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 1:52:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:52:15 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:52:15 AM
I'm sure, with distance from this tragedy, that TEPCO is done for. Their reactors will probably be distributed to the other operator companies. The management probably already acquired lawyers to get ahead of what will becoming at them.

by gumba at 3/27/2011 1:51:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:51:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:51:34 AM
@Charlie Bingo on Reactor #4.

by James Ward at 3/27/2011 1:51:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:51:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:51:33 AM
TEPCO President fell sick amid troubles.... english.kyodonews.jp

by Sinthia Domina at 3/27/2011 1:50:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:50:49 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:50:49 AM
@Bobby1 Why give a partial (biased?) bio on Joe Cirincione when you can read the whole thing? en.wikipedia.org

by James Ward at 3/27/2011 1:49:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:49:23 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:49:23 AM
@Joshua: Thanks for the hint. Usually at least NISA had updates twice a day. Fortunatel only the english trranslators had a day off. The japanese version is there. Block 1 now above 0,5 MPa

by Max at 3/27/2011 1:48:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:48:29 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:48:29 AM
@vasra I think better international cooperation is needed especially when events include several reactors at once

by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 1:47:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:47:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:47:54 AM
Great link to whistleblower ruling, @GeorgeGibb.
Kudos, @EVERYBODY, for keeping up great discourse and adhering to best practice of providing key links and coherent timestamp references (GMT/UTC preferred) where possible.
Seems Japanese civil society is transiting from relative inertia to relative momentum on this burning issue. Situation bears watching even if it's night already in Japan, approaching 23:00 JST.

by alblee at 3/27/2011 1:46:59 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:46:59 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:46:59 AM
The cooling pool can go into meltdown.

by Charlie at 3/27/2011 1:46:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:46:22 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:46:22 AM
@James Ward Cirincioni is from Carnegie Endowment, was Obama's campaign nuclear advisor, mainstream anti-proliferation individual

by Bobby1 at 3/27/2011 1:45:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:45:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:45:57 AM
@James Ward I was impressed.

by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 1:45:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:45:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:45:39 AM
@James Ward And which four does he suggest will meltdown...considering that reactor number 4 is empty....

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 1:45:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:45:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:45:34 AM
Hi guys, anybody knows the esact INES for all the reactor? the estimated one on the JAIF it seems L3 for R1,R2,R4 and R3 not estimated, is this correct? thanks!

by SDK at 3/27/2011 1:43:46 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:43:46 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:43:46 AM
Nuclear Analyst Joe Cirincione (extremely credible individual - do a google search on him) was just on "State of the Union with Candy Crowley" and he stated that we may see as many as FOUR core meltdowns at Fukushima. I was stunned by the honesty.

by James Ward at 3/27/2011 1:43:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:43:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:43:41 AM
Buy a geieger and test yourself. it's about the only way you'll know for sure.

by Charlie at 3/27/2011 1:42:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:42:37 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:42:37 AM
@George Gibb We are in a dire need for a similar ruling globally. Good news that US is leading the way in this.

by vasra at 3/27/2011 1:42:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:42:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:42:24 AM
Nothing at www.nisa.meti.go.jp since 26-Mar. Strikes me as an odd time to take Sunday off...

by Joshua Diamond at 3/27/2011 1:42:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:42:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:42:20 AM
Reuters March 27,2011 Hundreds in Japan anti-nuclear march www.reuters.com

by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 1:41:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:41:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:41:33 AM
I'm no expert but measuring water levels isn't easy but depends on what you're testing for. They 'should' have equipment far superior to mine and not be making mistakes. I know that when mine picks up alpha. it has done well as alpha is difficult to pick up. I also know that I have probably missed some as my eqipment is not as sensitive as that used by the governments.

by Charlie at 3/27/2011 1:41:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:41:32 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:41:32 AM
But there is still the question if they tell the truth that they are wrong...

by Mina at 3/27/2011 1:41:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:41:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:41:08 AM
@George Gibb That is a MAJOR ruling! Wow.

by James Ward at 3/27/2011 1:40:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:40:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:40:36 AM
@gumba thats the story this mornig

by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 1:39:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:39:19 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:39:19 AM
Taken from a guy's post at Ars Technica forums : "Watching TV here in Singapore, they had an interview with a greenpeace activist in Japan, he was 35 km from the plant, so outside the evacuation area. Not sure how objective greenpeace will be but they said they were measuring radiation at levels which would give someone their yearly maximum exposure in four days. What sort of numbers would that equate to? The guy said this is completely unnacceptable and people should be evacuated." Asahi reported yesterday of hot spots measurements in the soil 40km from Fukushima reading 3.26 MBq/m2. That's 6 times as high as the forced evacuation limit in Chernobyl in 1986 (0.55MBq/m2). Not very promising, although these can be individual hot spot instances and not a measure of overall soil radiation.

by vasra at 3/27/2011 1:39:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:39:13 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:39:13 AM
"RE: TEPCO denying the high measurement figures " that would be the best news of the day if they are in error.

by gumba at 3/27/2011 1:38:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:38:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:38:08 AM
Wikipedia Tokyo Electric Power Company - Scandal "On August 29, 2002, the government of Japan revealed that TEPCO was guilty of false reporting in routine governmental inspection of its nuclear plants and systematic concealment of plant safety incidents. All seventeen of its boiling-water reactors were shut down for inspection as a result. TEPCO's chairman Hiroshi Araki, President Nobuya Minami, Vice-President Toshiaki Enomoto, as well as the advisers Shō Nasu and Gaishi Hiraiwa stepped-down by September 30, 2002.[13] The utility "eventually admitted to two hundred occasions over more than two decades between 1977 and 2002, involving the submission of false technical data to authorities".[14] Upon taking over leadership responsibilities, TEPCO's new president issued a public commitment that the company would take all the countermeasures necessary to prevent fraud and restore the nation's confidence. By the end of 2005, generation at suspended plants had been restarted, with government approval.
In 2007, however, the company announced to the public that an internal investigation had revealed a large number of unreported incidents. These included an unexpected unit criticality in 1978 and additional systematic false reporting, which had not been uncovered during the 2002 inquiry. Along with scandals at other Japanese electric companies, this failure to ensure corporate compliance resulted in strong public criticism of Japan's electric power industry and the nation's nuclear energy policy. Again, the company made no effort to identify those responsible." en.wikipedia.org

by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 1:38:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:38:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:38:07 AM
got to go... Thanks to all; will come back.

by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 1:34:48 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:34:48 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:34:48 AM
@Nancy Yes, I understand exactly why the radiation detector network was set up. My question still stands: Why set up a network with alarms that trigger when elevated levels of radiation are detected if there's nothing to be concerned about?

by James Ward at 3/27/2011 1:32:25 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:32:25 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:32:25 AM
US nuclear workers given whistleblower protection

www.digitaljournal.com

by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 1:32:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:32:02 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:32:02 AM
RE: TEPCO denying the high measurement figures : “The number is not credible,” said Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO) spokesman Takashi Kurita. “We are very sorry.” What could this mean in practice (assuming they are right)? Broken meters? Is it easy to foul up the measurement of water sample radiation measurement? It's sad they didn't explain how the measurements were "not credible". To me, after each passing day, Tepco is more and more "note credible" themselves.

by vasra at 3/27/2011 1:29:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:29:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:29:04 AM
IIRC there are approx. 120+ radiation detectors scattered throught the US. I read a report yesterday indicating 20 aren't working properly.

by Miles at 3/27/2011 1:28:50 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:28:50 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:28:50 AM
@James. There is an existing network of radiation detectors in the US. They didn't set them up special for this.

by Nancy at 3/27/2011 1:23:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:23:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:23:41 AM
@Nancy I'm curious about those elevated radiation readings in CA, WA, NV, and CO. Why set up detectors unless you're concerned about radiation levels that trigger the alarms? If ANY of those particles are plutonium-based and they get ingested, people are going to get sick over time.

by James Ward at 3/27/2011 1:23:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:23:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:23:07 AM
I think they are just running around like hens with their heads choppd off. The whole "extreme high radiation in water puddles" problem just shows that they have no chance to repair the inner workings of the reactors. If anything in there is destroyed, they can't do a thing.

by Salvador at 3/27/2011 1:22:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:22:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:22:57 AM
@James Ward : i think he was driven to this point by the japanese govm. remember, tepco wanted to abandon the plant right after the explosions.

by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 1:21:41 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:21:41 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:21:41 AM
@Matsuoko In the old Soviet Union the TEPCO Chief would simply disappear and all references to his ever being alive would be erased. "Ill from exhaustion"...I guess that beats the heck out of the radiation poisoning his workers and engineers are having to endure.

by James Ward at 3/27/2011 1:19:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:19:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:19:27 AM
@Nancy I looked at the archive feature of scribble Live and it creates an excel spreadsheet.

by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 1:17:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:17:19 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:17:19 AM
Here's a .pdf presentation of a Boiling Water Reactor...26 pages and good info www.ucsusa.org

by James Ward at 3/27/2011 1:17:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:17:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:17:07 AM
Tepco Chief is ill from exhaustion and going to take a break for some days. translate.google.de www.abendblatt.de

by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 1:17:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:17:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:17:00 AM

Page 87

CBS news Sunday morning. Reported elevated radiation in CA, WA, NV, CO. Nothing over normal safety limits but being detected inland.

by Nancy at 3/27/2011 1:16:45 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:16:45 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:16:45 AM
Ugh, a Google search of "homeless workers TEPCO" gives thousands of links.

by Miles at 3/27/2011 1:16:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:16:19 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:16:19 AM
Someone was asking about history and keeping copies of news stories, chat logs etc. The Smithsonian went to WI and collected protest signs from the workers protesting so they could archive them. If someone is so inclined, making copies of chat logs and pdf of news stores, screen shots would be worthy. Even recent events 9-11, Katrina are starting to fade from online content.

by Nancy at 3/27/2011 1:14:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:14:23 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:14:23 AM
@Matsuko That sure renders a different light on TEPCO.

by Miles at 3/27/2011 1:14:21 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:14:21 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:14:21 AM
@Matsucko, I saw that also. It was for clean up activities. The non tepco people doing the repair work are contracted tradespeople

by Nancy at 3/27/2011 1:11:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:11:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:11:39 AM
Someone asked about proper suiting for workers. Dean gave a great rundown a few days ago when I asked but I think it may have been on Reuters or some of the first posts here. They should have multiple layers of tyvek along with work clothes and yes, some sort of rubber boot would have been expected esp. if they were in water. Also cotton work gloves under rubber gloves. The whole thing sealed with tape. This is supposed to work up to a fairly high hazard area. I think the problem is they have areas too high for anyone to be in or be in without the super protective lead lined suit thing most of us lay people assume they would use. I read 2 reports of these kinds of suits whatever they are but the higher protection being send from both Florida and Hong kong.

by Nancy at 3/27/2011 1:10:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:10:58 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:10:58 AM
Thanks for the info, I will have a look.

by Brad at 3/27/2011 1:08:27 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:08:27 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:08:27 AM
@vasra : i don't have the link anymore, but it was reported that in the past tepco used to collect homeless people from the streets to work in the plants.

by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 1:08:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:08:12 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:08:12 AM
@vasra i think it is time to send real independent experts into the plant. it cannot be that one organization has control of all the readings. send greenpeace in there.

by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 1:06:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:06:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:06:42 AM
Good Morning George.

by Dennis Tucker Jr at 3/27/2011 1:06:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:06:06 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:06:06 AM
new Tepco update www.tepco.co.jp . Nothing really knew, as far as I can see, except for reactor #3 (spent fuel pool, I guess): "At approximately 0:34pm March 27th , Injection of water by concrete pump truck was started. At approximately 2:36 pm, March 27th, the operation was finished."

by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 1:05:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:05:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:05:39 AM
@Brad Mere speculation, but my guess would be on the SFP because of the smoke.

by kb at 3/27/2011 1:05:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:05:19 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:05:19 AM
@Brad I suggest you read this presentation from Areva: www.scribd.com . Another possibility was rupture in so called pressure chambers, that are there to (AFAIK) equalize pressure from the PCV. That is also the probable leakage pathway for the radioactive water that is now in the turbine halls, at least according to experts interviewed on NHK broadcasts.

by vasra at 3/27/2011 1:04:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:04:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:04:54 AM
Morning All

by George Gibb at 3/27/2011 1:02:52 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:02:52 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:02:52 AM
What Dean said about cover up to avoid admitting unknowns or to avoid liability is probably the case in much of this. That would explain why TEPCO issues something utterly laughable that things are fine in some respect. Then another agency admits the facts on the issue and proves TEPCO is lying. I worked in advertising and communications for years. Companies will lie to avoid opening themselves up to liability. When it is a company admitting there isn't really meat in their meat is one thing. The stakes in this requires a better response.

by Nancy at 3/27/2011 1:02:34 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:02:34 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:02:34 AM
@vasra An even more telling indicator would be if the heads of IAEA, JAIF, TEPCO, NISA, and the Japanese Government REFUSE to go anywhere near the Fukushima facility. I'm willing to bet that would be the case if they were told to go to the Fukushima plant.

by James Ward at 3/27/2011 1:02:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:02:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:02:33 AM
@Miles THe injured electricians working in the turbine hall 3 basement were NOT TEPCO workers, but sub-contractors. They don't exactly rank very high up in the Tepco food chain and are according to new media, pretty much handled as throwaway assets in normal days of operation. So it's little surprise that nobody though about warning them or providing them with proper gear. There just wasn't protocol and culture in place for that. Sub-contractors can, after all, always be replaced with another sub-contractor...

by vasra at 3/27/2011 1:02:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:02:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:02:28 AM
Tokyo Electric Power Company says it has detected radioactive materials 10-million-times normal levels in water at the No.2 reactor complex of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.

by Rexz at 3/27/2011 1:02:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:02:23 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:02:23 AM
Tokyo Electric Power Company says it has detected radioactive materials 10-million-times normal levels in water at the No.2 reactor complex of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant. www3.nhk.or.jp

by Rexz at 3/27/2011 1:02:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:02:14 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:02:14 AM
Perhaps this has already been discussed here. I and others asked on the old Reuters forum what the cause of the radiation spike on the 21st was caused by. While the question was asked posted to the public forum, the moderators never allowed the question to be answered. I dug through the official reports released and found that the pressure in #3 reactor dropped that day, for no apparent reason, and smoke was seen coming from building, and personnel were evacuated. Does anyone have any thoughts on the subject?

by Brad at 3/27/2011 1:02:10 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:02:10 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:02:10 AM
It really sounds ridiculous with the "Oh, wrong reading" - but couldn't it be, that it is correct? I remember, that there were a lot of irritating thins about micro/milli etc... but it is really awkward in a way.

by Mejin at 3/27/2011 1:02:06 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:02:06 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:02:06 AM
@Miles The workers without rubber boots were subcontractors (doesn't really explain why they weren't given rubber boots before stepping into water).

by kb at 3/27/2011 1:00:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:00:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:00:39 AM
@sims If there had not been multiple explosions at Fukushima, how much information would we have gotten from TEPCO about the real situation? It's easier to hide problems when there are no outward signs of difficulties. That being said, how much acurate information are we getting from TEPCO now? You have to remember this is the same group who falsified Fukushima maintenance records for years.

by James Ward at 3/27/2011 1:00:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 1:00:12 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:00:12 AM
As a cruel thought game, there would be a very easy process to find out how dangerous the situation really is. Send in the heads of IAEA, JAIF, TEPCO, NISA, *** Gov in basic radiation suits inside the turbine and reactor hall to do visual and portable instrument inspection. When they come out, we can measure the dosimeters on them. Sending sub-contractors there in sneakers and not telling them what they are about to face is, imho, criminal negligence.

by vasra at 3/27/2011 12:59:58 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:59:58 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:59:58 AM
@Dean: we can understand that it's not possible to report everything in real time. Partial reports and missing data is one thing; but inconsistent reports lead to think part of the reports are biased.

by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 12:59:24 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:59:24 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:59:24 AM
Disturbing to me is that TEPCO didn't have their workers wearing full radiation protection. The 3 workers had no foot protection - what have the remaining workers unknowningly been exposed to?

by Miles at 3/27/2011 12:58:16 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:58:16 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:58:16 AM
@Dean I think that is right. At Fukushima they have had a multiple loss of sensors, instruments and access to sight for visual inspection. Then they have people from various different orgs (tepco, sdf, police, fire dept, electricians, etc) working on the site. They don't share language, protocols, processes, etc. And the situation is pretty much unfolding NOT according to any planned emergency manual. But still, the amount of information breakdowns - intentional or unintentional - is pretty sad, considering what is (was) at stake in the worst scenario.

by vasra at 3/27/2011 12:57:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:57:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:57:20 AM
well . I need to prepare for travel today, will be on later..

by Dean at 3/27/2011 12:56:19 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:56:19 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:56:19 AM
Sorry if this has been reported previously but I checked the last three pages and couldn't find it: "Japan utility admits it failed to warn Fukushima workers about radioactive water" www.orlandosentinel.com

by James Ward at 3/27/2011 12:55:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:55:56 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:55:56 AM
Comparing the information policy here to Chernobyl is a bit unfair.. That had a pretty much complete information blackout during the first few days and the first anyone outside got to know about it was more than a week later - based on detection of the fallout more than a thousand miles away. There's obviously some cover-up going on, but they're at least sharing some information.

by sims at 3/27/2011 12:54:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:54:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:54:51 AM
I know in the field I work,, there are drills after drills after drills, and I can tell you from being an emergency action director,, when all of a sudden even in a drill.. you get so much help and attention andquestions demanding this and that ,, it's difficult to report and there are a myriad of support organizations all reporting up the chain... it's not surprising when one explanation makes it through 10 levels... they get the wrong information out..

by Dean at 3/27/2011 12:54:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:54:37 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:54:37 AM
Of course, TEPCO does not willingly disclose information that would put them in a bad light. They are, however, doing what they can to resolve the situation since they wouldn't benefit from this getting out of hand. Also, they got the whole world's eyes on them, so they probably won't get away with lying anyway.

by kb at 3/27/2011 12:54:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:54:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:54:31 AM
@vasra: right, those statments all together are not consistant, which is odd...

by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 12:53:26 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:53:26 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:53:26 AM
and sometimes.. if the professionals, or susposed professionals can'e explain something the cover up not to be embarassed.

by Dean at 3/27/2011 12:52:14 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:52:14 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:52:14 AM
sometimes I think industry.. no matter what kind,,, in the event of an accident,, holds back information from legal issue

by Dean at 3/27/2011 12:51:37 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:51:37 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:51:37 AM
@Jo That is odd. How can they correct it down to 500mSv/hr? They were saying that the dosimeters saturated (saturation at 1000mSv/hr) and that the likely radiation was much higher, because they didn't reset the dosimeters to check how much more it would have registered.

by vasra at 3/27/2011 12:51:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:51:22 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:51:22 AM
make some nürnberger process for the atom lobby....

by hans at 3/27/2011 12:51:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:51:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:51:07 AM
Jeff, yes. That would be naive. There are plenty of instances in the US of cover up, lack of information and poor responses.

by Nancy at 3/27/2011 12:50:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:50:38 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:50:38 AM
@Jeff If you read up on TMI you will find up that A LOT was covered up and lied about during that incident as well. The same happened in Chernobyl, in the French and Japanese earlier (smaller) accidents as well as the UK nuclear fuel enrichment facility accident. I don't know why they always do this, but it is the standard modus operandi of the nuclear industry : cover up, lie and play down.

by vasra at 3/27/2011 12:50:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:50:22 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:50:22 AM
"TEPCO says radioactivity data of No. 2 reactor puddle partly erroneous": I read they corrected the radiation level from 1000 mSv/h to 500 mSv/h; it's still far from being a safe place for workers to stand, isn't it ?

by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 12:50:15 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:50:15 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:50:15 AM
some times their recovery efforts seem to be just chasing their tails, may be time to step back and look at the big picture, take a breath and then move forward. they really need to clear up reporting, communication and accurate measurements with double checks

by Dean at 3/27/2011 12:49:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:49:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:49:53 AM
Am I naive to think that if this were happen in the US that there would be more information shared and a more organized response. If you would have told me weeks ago that Japan/private companies response would be this poor/secretive I would have not bought it, never would I have thought that this information cover up could happen in a country such a Japan. Sorry bout the novel, just naive i guess.

by Jeff at 3/27/2011 12:48:56 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:48:56 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:48:56 AM
@gumba Good idea. I know it's done with water used for long-distance heating.

by kb at 3/27/2011 12:46:35 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:46:35 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:46:35 AM
They have a big problem though- they can't change the radiation limits for the workers again, because that would make it clear to everyone what's going on.

by Salvador at 3/27/2011 12:46:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:46:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:46:33 AM
excellent idea gumba.. a color tracking way to know for sure....

by Dean at 3/27/2011 12:46:00 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:46:00 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:46:00 AM

Page 86

A diagram from Asahi showing a simplified overview of the reactor and turbine halls as well as the basement, where the electricity work happened, injuring the three sub-contractor workers yesterday: j.mp

by vasra at 3/27/2011 12:45:32 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:45:32 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:45:32 AM
it really makes me sick. they needed three days to realize the consequences. now their only chance is to disregard the readings.

by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 12:44:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:44:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:44:54 AM
Probably a dumb idea but I wonder if they could inject different colored or luminescent dye or even uncommon isotopes into the RPV cooling system and containment water supply and examine the leaked fluid for content or relative amounts if they both show up. Might at least pin point the leak points in the turbine room.

by gumba at 3/27/2011 12:44:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:44:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:44:39 AM
Tepco is just a criminal organization, it's a farce that they are still in control of the work at Fukushima I.

by Salvador at 3/27/2011 12:43:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:43:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:43:01 AM
I guess it's not fair to say, but I think tepco is saying the numbers had errors since people were able to figure out what the numbers meant.

by Scilla at 3/27/2011 12:42:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:42:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:42:07 AM
Yeah, sure. First we give you the right information and later we call it into doubt. This makes me really angy! The same happened with the 500 Milli/Sievert in the turbine hall of reactor 3 that somehow mutated into 500 Micro/Sievert a few days ago.

by Salvador at 3/27/2011 12:41:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:41:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:41:54 AM
They say this mornings clear out was caused by faulty readings and was a false alarm.

by Jeff at 3/27/2011 12:41:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:41:49 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:41:49 AM
Scilla ty for the link.. this is what baffles me about data coming from there

by Dean at 3/27/2011 12:40:29 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:40:29 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:40:29 AM
english.kyodonews.jp

by Scilla at 3/27/2011 12:40:02 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:40:02 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:40:02 AM
20:45 27 March
NEWS ADVISORY: TEPCO says radioactivity data of No. 2 reactor puddle partly erroneous.

by Scilla at 3/27/2011 12:39:49 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:39:49 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:39:49 AM
The Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare issued new limits on March, 17th. I have only seen this information on Japanese internet forums.

(Bq/kg)

Infant food: 100
Drinking water: I: 300, Cs: 200, U: 20, Pu+Am+Cm: 1
Dairy: I: 300, Cs: 200, U: 20, Pu+Am+Cm: 1
Vegetables (except daikon and potatoes): I: 2000, Cs: 500, U: 100, Pu+Am+Cm: 10
Grain: Cs: 500, U: 100, Pu+Am+Cm: 10
Meat, fish, eggs and other foods: Cs: 500, U: 100, Pu+Am+Cm: 10

Source: www.mhlw.go.jp

by kb at 3/27/2011 12:39:28 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:39:28 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:39:28 AM
I have been thinking in my mind about how could the fuel be encapsulated in place, first in the reactor and then the spent fuel pools. in the reactor if there is a debris pool, maybe there is a way to pump some medium containing the sand which coverts to glass to encapsulate the fuel... just thinking out loud

by Dean at 3/27/2011 12:39:03 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:39:03 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:39:03 AM
@Dean: thank you.

by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 12:36:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:36:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:36:20 AM
@vasra: "NISA on radioactive water not flowing to the sea". From my understanding, they do not say that no radioactivity is leaked into the sea but that the detected isotopes in the sea are not the same that the ones detected in the water leaked in the turbine chambers.

by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 12:35:23 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:35:23 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:35:23 AM
The Japan Times online Sunday March 27, 2011 Radioactive pools block reactor repairs. search.japantimes.co.jp

by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 12:35:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:35:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:35:08 AM
Government asks treatment plants not to take in rain water. english.kyodonews.jp

by Scilla at 3/27/2011 12:34:36 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:34:36 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:34:36 AM
Tenzing, I was quite impressed by the presentation, they actually presented some logical explanation and used the isotope decay as an indicator as well. It would appear that the water found came from the reactor due to isotopes present. next is to really detail how.. I like the fact that they said there were isolation valves which should rule out the piping and the only other way is seepage from another source from the reactor

by Dean at 3/27/2011 12:34:01 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:34:01 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:34:01 AM
JAIF update www.jaif.or.jp : "It is presumed that radioactive material inside the reactor vessel would have leaked outside the containment vessel at unit-1, 2 and unit-3, based on the investigation of the water sampled at turbine building."
Jepco seawater mesurements update

by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 12:30:31 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:30:31 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:30:31 AM
The maximum dose for radioactive iodine, according to Euratom guidelines, is:
150 Bq/kg or becquerels per litre (Bq/l) for infant food
500 Bq/kg or Bq/l for dairy products
2,000 Bq/kg or Bq/l for other foods; and
500 Bq/l for liquids intended for consumption

The maximum dose of radioactive elements lasting beyond 10 days -- thus including caesium -- is:
400 Bq/kg or Bq/l for infant food
1,000 Bq/kg or Bq/l for dairy products
1,250 Bq/kg or Bq/l for other foods; and
1,000 Bq/l for liquids intended for consumption

Source: www.google.com

by kb at 3/27/2011 12:26:42 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:26:42 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:26:42 AM
@vasra: thank you

by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 12:25:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:25:47 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:25:47 AM
@Tenzing, read what I just posted about LOCA and cooling. I watched that whole CNIC presentation on Ustream yesterday. One of the guys there designed the turbine hall for one of the reactor plants at Fukushima. He talks about the pressure/temperature management challenges of the pressure containment vessel (PCV) and what happens when you drive the PCV out of spec (it vents radioactive steam, which can be highly radioactive if the rods are damaged, like they are now).

by vasra at 3/27/2011 12:24:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:24:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:24:53 AM
it's in english.

by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 12:22:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:22:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:22:07 AM
I think what Jo wrote is right based on the nuclear physicist & nuclear power plant engineer analyses I have read as well. The rods are damaged, this is known due to the zircalloy releases in the water. Some of the fuel could be chugging down to the bottom of the reactor. If enough of these pool together, the reaction can sustain better and the probability of containment breach is higher. Several Japanese experts have already said there's been a Loss of Coolant Accident (LOCA) at one or several reactors. This requires constand 2ndary cooling now, but the water does NOT reach the primary containment vessel (where the rods are), even if you pump it. This causes problems in trying to bring down the reaction under control. Experts cited are both NHK, Kyodo, Japan Times and CNIC commentators, some of which actually have designed parts of the Fukushima plant

by vasra at 3/27/2011 12:21:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:21:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:21:51 AM
@Dean: your opinion on this please. www.ustream.tv

by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 12:21:51 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:21:51 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:21:51 AM
good summary on health and radiation from a ministry: www.bfs.de

by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 12:21:47 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:21:47 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:21:47 AM
Correction: Swedish limits are 1500 Bq/kg for freshwater fish, game, mushrooms and berries, i.e. food produced in the wild. There was quite a lot of Cesium-137 fallout after Chernobyl.

by kb at 3/27/2011 12:21:20 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:21:20 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:21:20 AM
@kb I think the point is that we have what could be called a news blackout and are getting very little info and to find that they are moving the goalposts without any attempt at informing the public automatically leads to great mistrust

by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 12:16:13 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:16:13 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:16:13 AM
@sims: not so easy. One cannot stop fission in a nuclear reactor: control rods cannot stop fission reactions _inside_ pellets, that's why the reactor goes on producing heat even when "stopped" and need to be cooled. If the amount of I-134 is more than what is supposed to be produced by a "stopped" reactor, then one can conclude that free running fission is going on. If not, it could be only a large part of fuel pellets that are broken but it can also be a few part of pellets that have fallen at the bottom of the reactor and that a free running fission has restarted here. I guess no one can conclude without seeing inside the reactor in such a case....

by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 12:15:04 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:15:04 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:15:04 AM
@kb : yes for sure. nobody said that. they don't want to kill anyone.

by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 12:14:22 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:14:22 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:14:22 AM
To put things in perspective, Cesium-137 limits for meat and fish in Sweden has been 1500 Bq/kg for quite some time (possibly after Chernobyl). Raising the limit doesn't have to imply that WTO wants to kill EU citizens for profit.

by kb at 3/27/2011 12:12:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:12:30 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:12:30 AM
@vasra : they have had no problems banning imports from "bad" chernobyl, but japan, that's a completely different thing now.

by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 12:12:30 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:12:30 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:12:30 AM
@Matsuoko Yes, EU is rising the limits, perhaps due to some backhand dealings going behind the curtains at the WTO : j.mp .

by vasra at 3/27/2011 12:08:57 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:08:57 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:08:57 AM
Re: "NISA on radioactive water not flowing to the sea". What are they smoking? The figures were a 1000 times above accepted maximum levesl 330meters from the plant. The dilution at that distance is huge. The water *is* leaking to the sea. What bothers me that they are still not releasing the Plutonium tests results, which they said they would test for already a week ago. This is another cover-up, on top of all the previous cover-ups. Really sad.

by vasra at 3/27/2011 12:08:53 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:08:53 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:08:53 AM
@timme : i must say, this kind of news drives me crazy.

by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 12:08:38 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:08:38 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:08:38 AM
oops link: www.nytimes.com

by sgl at 3/27/2011 12:08:07 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:08:07 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:08:07 AM
NY Times: "Nuclear Rules in Japan Relied on Old Science"

by sgl at 3/27/2011 12:07:54 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:07:54 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:07:54 AM
hi every one.. this was an interesting read... www.zerohedge.com

by Dean at 3/27/2011 12:05:40 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:05:40 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:05:40 AM
@matsuoko: my thoughts exactly.. :(

by timme at 3/27/2011 12:05:12 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:05:12 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:05:12 AM
@timme : now that it is erroneous, they can send workers in to pump out the water. good idea from tepco.

by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 12:03:33 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:03:33 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:03:33 AM
Looks like it's gonna be another BP day ;-)

by Miles at 3/27/2011 12:03:09 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:03:09 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:03:09 AM
Surprise that TEPCO tells that they are erroneous now...

by Mina at 3/27/2011 12:02:08 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:02:08 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:02:08 AM
@timme :) that i expected.

by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 12:00:39 PMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 12:00:39 PM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:00:39 AM
@Matsuoko - that's what it looks like to me as well. In the Three Mile Island accident, they "vented" the radioactive water into the adjacent river.

by Miles at 3/27/2011 11:59:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:59:51 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:59:51 AM
NEWS ADVISORY: TEPCO says radioactivity data of No. 2 reactor puddle partly erroneous (20:45)

by timme at 3/27/2011 11:58:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:58:16 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:58:16 AM
Reuters tweet FLASH: Japan nuclear safety agency says no chance of highly radioactive water from reactor turbine buildings flowing into the sea---- That is the tweet as it was tweeted twitter.com!/Reuters

by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 11:57:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:57:27 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:57:27 AM

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sorry i t was discussed before. i just logged in.

by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 11:53:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:53:04 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:53:04 AM
@hans : that's why this : www.swr.de EU raising the limits for cesium137 !

by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 11:51:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:51:35 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:51:35 AM
@gumba To me, this is a huge problem in getting things cleaned up - the human health risks. Chernobyl tried to solve it by using thousands of workers rotating in very short shifts.

by Miles at 3/27/2011 11:50:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:50:22 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:50:22 AM
Any informations about continuation of the work at the plants? According to german TV (N24 & n-tv) the workers had to be evacuated. But that is not necesssary the truth. They tell it nearly every day in the morning & to me they don't sound like a competent source. Today they repeat it for about 5 hours unchanged. So either they just estimate it due to the messages of radiation in the turbine building or the workers have been evacuated in the meantime, as this doesn't take 5 hours. NHK reports, that work is slowed down due to the radiation.

by Max at 3/27/2011 11:49:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:49:50 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:49:50 AM
@Miles : hmmm so they cannot pump out the radioactive water.

by Matsuoko at 3/27/2011 11:49:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:49:48 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:49:48 AM
@Kat I wonder if he feels the same way with these new level figures today. It keeps moving closer to the line of not even being able to attack it with on site human resources.

by gumba at 3/27/2011 11:45:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:45:06 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:45:06 AM
NHK commentator earlier today (27.3.): All pools/reactors need constant water cooling, due to Loss of Coolant. Now done with temporary power/pumps. However, the reactor and/or turbine is leaking water w/ highly active content from the fission fuel to the turbine hall. This water prevents reconnecting power to plant pumps and upgrading to stable cooling. Thus, they are trying to pump the radioactive water from turbine halls to the primary cooling towers. Question: What happens when they need to keep on pumping water, it leaks and the cooling towers have filled up to their maximum water capacity? Nobody knows...

by vasra at 3/27/2011 11:43:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:43:52 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:43:52 AM
@Jo Linden: I imagine it would show that there are broken fuel pellets in a *running* reactor though. It's primary method of generation is fission of U-235 (via a very short-lived intermediate Te isotope). If anyone knows/can come up with a way for it to be generated in those quantities by anything other than fission, I'm all ears.

by sims at 3/27/2011 11:43:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:43:20 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:43:20 AM
There are some Sunday readings here english.aljazeera.net apologies if I am repeating what you already know I havent had tme to read through the posts

by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 11:41:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:41:47 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:41:47 AM
Fission on #2 admitted in press - search.japantimes.co.jp

by Miles at 3/27/2011 11:41:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:41:01 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:41:01 AM
sorry, was @Hank ...

by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 11:34:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:34:28 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:34:28 AM
@Hans: in France, I-134 presence is monitored and it's presence of I-134 is considered to show that there are broken fuel pellets in the reactor: "presence of I134 in the primary coolant show a large sealing defect then dissemination of part of the fuel in the primary coolant" (traduction by me from EDF report about Cattenom #3 reactor problem in 2000/2001 www.wise-paris.org )

by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 11:33:17 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:33:17 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:33:17 AM
Those guys at ArsTechica also seem to think the I-134 (halflife 53 minutes) concentration can also only indicate fission. TEPCO is apparently claiming it's a result of the fuel cladding melting and two posters have called bullshit on that.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 11:21:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:21:44 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:21:44 AM
Anatomy of a Boiling Water Reactor (BWR) -
26-page PDF file - It describes in non-scientific language and drawings the functions of all parts of the reactor so you can get an idea of what is going on inside the buildings. www.ucsusa.org

by Miles at 3/27/2011 11:21:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:21:15 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:21:15 AM
japans exports. a dramatic situation. translate.google.com

by hans at 3/27/2011 11:20:52 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:20:52 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:20:52 AM
@Jo Lindien this is really strange. i think the eu realize that problem is going bigger and bigger here. lets see...

by hans at 3/27/2011 11:13:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:13:56 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:13:56 AM
@hans: cannot find anything about this in French press ... which is strange... but I found a assertion that France has asked to change Euratom limits to match OMS/FAO ones, which are higher, that may be related to M. Conrad protest (though I did not find any official document about this request from France).

by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 11:08:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:08:49 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:08:49 AM
@borrrden - Just found a guy who agreed with the 40Sv/hour computation at AT. arstechnica.com

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 11:02:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 11:02:16 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:02:16 AM
@borrrden yep. scientist are in a million show. they have 4 answers, pls choose one.

by hans at 3/27/2011 10:59:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:59:15 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:59:15 AM
@hans There is not much wrong with the translation, it just seems like a very obvious thing to be saying.....

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 10:58:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:58:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:58:13 AM
@borrrden google translate not that good!!

by hans at 3/27/2011 10:57:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:57:43 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:57:43 AM
Important to try to keep the water inside the reactor.....um.....captain obvious?

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 10:57:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:57:10 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:57:10 AM
@hans Thanks

by NiteSpawn at 3/27/2011 10:56:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:56:02 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:56:02 AM
@hans link?

by NiteSpawn at 3/27/2011 10:55:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:55:19 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:55:19 AM
austrian scientist warns. Now it is important that you try the (sometimes high-level radioactive, note) to keep water in the reactor inside. I think it should be possible, "said Rauch. Not good it is when water vapor rises into the atmosphere. In particular, the release of cesium-137, the former director would be the Vienna Atomic Energy Institute, according to a marker, because the isotope has a half-life of more than 30 years has... derstandard.at

by hans at 3/27/2011 10:55:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:55:18 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:55:18 AM
@NiteSpawn translate.google.com

by hans at 3/27/2011 10:55:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:55:18 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:55:18 AM
@Jo Lindien ..... Consumer Protection Minister Margaret Conrad (SPD) protested against the plans of the EU, the cesium-limits food imports from Japan raise. A similar fast-track the European Union should, according to Conroy on Saturday to take effect.

by hans at 3/27/2011 10:54:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:54:36 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:54:36 AM
@sims: replacing sea water with fresh one will stop the production of Cl-38; but it won't help stopping irradiated water leak, just fix one symptom.

by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 10:53:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:53:10 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:53:10 AM
@hans: from what I heard, this is not related to nuclear plants; this is to allow more industrialists to irradiate food instead of using pasteurization to kill bacterium

by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 10:48:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:48:37 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:48:37 AM
But in any case, the substance most of the dose rate is from has a very short half-life (<1h as of www.wolframalpha.com ), which means it's going to go away very quickly, if they can somehow stop more of it from being produced.

by sims at 3/27/2011 10:48:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:48:15 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:48:15 AM
@borrrden - Good point. I don't know enough about it. ArsTechica discussion is fascinating.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 10:48:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:48:05 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:48:05 AM
@Hank Scorpio But you forget, the number they are referring to is not sieverts, but becquerels. Those two don't have a 1-to-1 relationship.

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 10:46:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:46:30 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:46:30 AM
@hans Link?

by NiteSpawn at 3/27/2011 10:45:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:45:36 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:45:36 AM
@Katrin - I know, that's why I only added 2 zeroes. 400x100=40,000 mSv/hr=40 Sv/hour.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 10:45:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:45:25 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:45:25 AM
EU WANTS to rise limits on food etc... this is dramtatic

by hans at 3/27/2011 10:44:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:44:59 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:44:59 AM
source: uk.reuters.com

by Katrin at 3/27/2011 10:44:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:44:39 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:44:39 AM
Side note: I think they said the amount was 10 Million times higher than was normal in the reactor, not 10 million times higher than the previously measured 400...

by Katrin at 3/27/2011 10:44:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:44:16 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:44:16 AM
TBH, hoping someone made a typo somewhere when publishing those number, because they look pretty ridiculous.

by sims at 3/27/2011 10:42:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:42:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:42:13 AM
@borrden It's not in the environment (very thankfully) but some (hopefully very small) water sample they took.. also pretty much all of it is from I-134, which is very short-lived, if they can stop more of it from being produced. Got most of the info from the discussion here - arstechnica.com which is referencing a recent JAIF release.

by sims at 3/27/2011 10:41:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:41:38 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:41:38 AM
@borrrden - Just did the math based upon what he said. I'd be shocked if that were correct.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 10:40:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:40:50 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:40:50 AM
@Hank Scorpio If it were that high then they would be almost certainly dead within 15 minutes.

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 10:37:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:37:53 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:37:53 AM
@Sims Do you have a source for that? I remember hearing the 400 number as well, but that was a week ago.

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 10:33:54 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:33:54 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:33:54 AM
Would that be 40Sv/hour?\

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 10:33:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:33:50 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:33:50 AM
@Sims: you're right, my bad. Note: 1Sv/h is 1000 mSv/h not MSv/h (milli, not Mega !)

by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 10:32:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:32:53 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:32:53 AM
@borrden judging by the linked discussion on arstechnica. Also, NHK etc. reported the level of 400 mSv/h in R3 yesterday as 10000 times normal and are reporting the level in R2 as 1 million times normal. You do the math.

by Sims at 3/27/2011 10:32:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:32:36 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:32:36 AM

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@Sims How do you know this? You are suggesting 10 sv / hour?

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 10:29:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:29:40 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:29:40 AM
@Jo Linden: To be exact, they say the dose rate at the water in R2 is more than 1000 MSv/h. If the posted quantities of the I-134 are correct, it would be MUCH more than 1 Sv/h by at least an order of magnitude.

by Sims at 3/27/2011 10:28:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:28:51 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:28:51 AM
Atm NHK is warning that a another quake is abut to hit, focus includes Fukushima.

by Katrin at 3/27/2011 10:28:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:28:21 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:28:21 AM
@timme - That statement appears to be correct about the timing. www.wolframalpha.com

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 10:27:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:27:03 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:27:03 AM
"Basically Cl-38 is a very short lived isotope, with a half life of minutes. The presence of any significant amount requires that it's been generated recently, because it goes away so quickly. The only plausible origin of these amounts is the reactor going critical again, bombarding the Chlorine in the sea water with neutrons."

by timme at 3/27/2011 10:24:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:24:24 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:24:24 AM
I'm starting to feel a bit guilty, every time I open a news source and see/read anything about Libya or Yemen I get irritated and go looking for news on Japan, oops.

by Katrin at 3/27/2011 10:22:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:22:46 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:22:46 AM
@borrrden: the numbers are from TEPCO: arstechnica.com

by timme at 3/27/2011 10:19:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:19:00 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:19:00 AM
17h report from JAIF about water radioactivity in turbine chambers: 1000 mSv/h in #2, 60 mSv/h in #1, 750 mSv/h in #3 + "NISA officials believe
the contaminated water likely came from the reactor rather than the spent fuel pool because the radionuclide detected contained in the fuel and some had short half-lives" www.jaif.or.jp

by Jo Lindien at 3/27/2011 10:17:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:17:49 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:17:49 AM
@timme That is the first time I have heard of this isotope....do any of them have a source?

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 10:17:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:17:44 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:17:44 AM
The Japan Talk podcast has new info according to a twitterer .

by elainekirk at 3/27/2011 10:17:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:17:22 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:17:22 AM
@borrrden: not iodine.. Cl-38 chlorine

by timme at 3/27/2011 10:17:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:17:16 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:17:16 AM
@alblee They have all the info they need, and have had for days. I expect that in order to maintain some semblance of order the release of bad news needs to be sensitively managed.

by es at 3/27/2011 10:15:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:15:51 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:15:51 AM
Excuse me, please, got to swtich off for about an hour. Be back soon. Keep chugging (nuclear pun unintended).

by alblee at 3/27/2011 10:15:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:15:11 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:15:11 AM
@timme I think you mean number 2, that's where the Iodine-134 was found.

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 10:14:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:14:48 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:14:48 AM
Some folks at ars technica talkin about a possible recriticality of #1 because lots of short-lived isotopes in the water were found. arstechnica.com scary stuff

by timme at 3/27/2011 10:14:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:14:04 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:14:04 AM
BWR REACTOR VESSEL BOTTOM HEAD FAILURE MODES www.osti.gov

by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 10:13:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:13:18 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:13:18 AM
Hello. Been catching up with postings. Thanks to all. I think I want to stay here if/when the Reuters blog returns!

by es at 3/27/2011 10:12:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:12:37 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:12:37 AM
Thanks, @Salvador, were you referring to this one? It's on the board; you should see it near the bottom of the first page or the top of the second page.
> NEWS ADVISORY: Gov't orders TEPCO to find cause of radioactive water in No. 2 reactor (16:43)
> english.kyodonews.jp Sounds a bit stupid, eh? If it was that easy to get the information, no orders
> would be necessary.

by alblee at 3/27/2011 10:12:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:12:31 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:12:31 AM
@Hank Scorpio I am actually reading the report he references directly now. I will let you know if I find anything interesting about after-effects conclusions. www.unscear.org

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 10:12:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:12:26 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:12:26 AM
And I do think the 400,000 number is BS too. Greenpeace is just as bad as the IAEA and the UN. They all play politics and no one bothers to actually do what it would take to find out for sure.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 10:11:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:11:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:11:13 AM
What bothered me was that the direct death toll was far higher than that. They've used a lack of records to come up with that number. He also completely sidesteps the after-effects upon the greater population.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 10:10:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:10:39 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:10:39 AM
@Hank Scorpio Well, I know that I didn't observe the death toll at Chernobyl myself. How should I know if it is 28 or 400,000? It wasn't an IAEA report either, it was by the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation.

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 10:08:43 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:08:43 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:08:43 AM
This atomic Plant will glloom until summer or longer the radioactive material is may be thousand times higher than in the hiroshima bomb The japanese people going into their slaughter house and dont now it, no one tell the truth.

by KaBa at 3/27/2011 10:07:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:07:06 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:07:06 AM
@borrden, well Allison is a retired particle physicist who developed an interest in medical physics - had he written the article jointly with either a radiological physiologist or a clinician specialisng in nuclear medicine I'd give it more value

by andyjsha at 3/27/2011 10:06:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:06:31 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:06:31 AM
Live www3.nhk.or.jp

by NiteSpawn at 3/27/2011 10:06:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:06:22 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:06:22 AM
@borrrden - Those qualifications would give me some consolation if it weren't for the fact that he cites the IAEA bullshit report on Chernobyl and reports "28 deaths" without a hint of irony.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 10:05:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:05:55 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:05:55 AM
@ Hank Scorpio Ah ok, makes sense, thanks

by Katrin at 3/27/2011 10:05:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:05:42 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:05:42 AM
@Katrin - The 2-6 Sv number is the overall dose. The 1,000 mSv/hour is the dose rate.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 10:04:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:04:45 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:04:45 AM
@andyjsha - Not to mention the absolute whitewash treatment of Chernobyl.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 10:04:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:04:02 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:04:02 AM
Does anyone know what the max pressure is that the reactor will take ??

by wtm at 3/27/2011 10:03:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:03:36 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:03:36 AM
@Hank Scorpio Well the first thought that went through my mind when I read the article was "Who in the world is saying this?!". In fact, it is something who is at least educated well on the topic....a pHD who works at Oxford researching in the field of medical physics "in particular safety, therapy and imaging across the full spectrum: ionizing radiation, ultrasound and magnetic resonance." en.wikipedia.org

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 10:03:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:03:14 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:03:14 AM
According to www.telegraph.co.uk the radiation in the water that the three workers were in was 2 - 6 Sv, that is above all I have read and above the 1000 mSv reported today, do they have their numbers wrong or do I?

by Katrin at 3/27/2011 10:02:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:02:36 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:02:36 AM
Just read that Wade Allison article, though so interesting and salient points raised, thought the overall tone was patronising at best, and told me just as much by omission than anything else. No mention of caesium 137's awful effects, and comparing targeted doses of radiotherapy with long term non specific low level exposure would not make for a satisfactory epidemiological comparision in my view ...

by andyjsha at 3/27/2011 10:01:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 10:01:02 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:01:02 AM
58% do not approve of gov't handling of nuclear power plant crisis english.kyodonews.jp

by NiteSpawn at 3/27/2011 9:58:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:58:02 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:58:02 AM
@borrrden - True, but it does destroy the thyroid and necessitate life-long medication.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:53:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:53:30 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:53:30 AM
delurking to post link to interview w/ fukushima fifty: www.telegraph.co.uk

by dtinla at 3/27/2011 9:51:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:51:10 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:51:10 AM
Latest as of 9:30 UTC time (using summer savings time of UK): 10 million times of normal reactor water radiation levels found in turbine halls of reactors 1 & 2 (Io-131, Io-134, Cs-134, Cs-137). Experts say core water is leaking from somewhere, probably via tubine hall or 2ndary pressure chambers. Workers evacuated from reactors 1 & 2. Tepco looking at possibility to pump the high radio-active water into the passive cooling system so that work can continue. According to NHK levels of Plutonium from water @ Reactor 3 has NOT been measured.

by vasra at 3/27/2011 9:50:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:50:50 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:50:50 AM
@Hank Scorpio Ironically though, the chemotherapy treatment for thyroid cancer involves high localized doses of Iodine-131

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 9:50:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:50:37 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:50:37 AM
From Reuters: "Tokyo Electric Power Co said radiation in the water of the No. 2 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi plant was measured at more than 1,000 millisieverts an hour. That compares with a national safety standard of 250 millisieverts over a year. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency says a dose of 1,000 millisieverts is enough to cause hemorrhaging."

by Jennifer at 3/27/2011 9:50:08 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:50:08 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:50:08 AM
From Reuters: "Tokyo Electric Power Co said radiation in the water of the No. 2 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi plant was measured at more than 1,000 millisieverts an hour. That compares with a national safety standard of 250 millisieverts over a year. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency says a dose of 1,000 millisieverts is enough to cause hemorrhaging."

by Jennifer at 3/27/2011 9:50:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:50:04 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:50:04 AM
I realize that some people have irrational fears of minute amounts of radiation, but to say standards are too low is ridiculous. I'd like to see the author eat Cesium tainted food on a daily basis and get back to me.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:49:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:49:41 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:49:41 AM
Please do NOT include links to InfoWars / Prison Planet / Alex Jones / Busby or any of the other scare mongering fear-pushers, who have a 99% miss-ratio with their "reporting". They start with real facts and then they spin it out of reality. Their scare mongering doesn't help anyone. Let's try and stick to facts, please.

by vasra at 3/27/2011 9:49:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:49:14 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:49:14 AM
@borrrden - That article disgusted me, especially the part about how it must be OK since radiotherapy is used.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:48:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:48:44 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:48:44 AM
NEWS ADVISORY: Gov't orders TEPCO to find cause of radioactive water in No. 2 reactor (16:43) english.kyodonews.jp Sounds a bit stupid, eh? If it was that easy to get the information, no orders would be necessary.

by Salvador at 3/27/2011 9:48:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:48:33 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:48:33 AM
I'm here too.

by Salvador at 3/27/2011 9:48:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:48:15 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:48:15 AM

Page 83

I agree Hank, developments of the last days show that it got bigger and bigger and to me it looks as if it could become more and more inaccessible.

by Mina at 3/27/2011 9:48:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:48:01 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:48:01 AM
@Kat I am very happy to read this article. I would like to hear other scientists' opinions on it, because it seems to good to be true. Almost like radiation is not harmful at all....

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 9:45:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:45:59 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:45:59 AM
Not core at 300C, RPV. Sorry.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:39:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:39:55 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:39:55 AM
Yes, the clog possibility is a serious issue. I assume the only way would be to allow the core to heat up to around 300C before injecting. In fact, since lead is far heavier than water, I suppose the only way to get the lead into the core would be to liquify it before it got to the pump and make the injection consist entirely of lead. There aren't many pumps which can handle 300C water, let alone lead.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:39:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:39:01 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:39:01 AM
Hi everyone www.bbc.co.uk has an interesting article on the effects of radiation, a somewhat different view x

by Kat at 3/27/2011 9:36:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:36:47 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:36:47 AM
@Hank Scorpio Another problem is the reactors are absolutely huge, they would need so many lead pellets. Furthermore lead is very heavy and heaven forbid it clogs the line by mistake...... :(

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 9:36:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:36:29 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:36:29 AM
The hookup to the feedline doesn't allow backflow, right? Disengage the pumps, fill the line with lead pellets, reconnect the pump, shove 'em through. Rinse. Repeat?

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:33:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:33:41 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:33:41 AM
@Hank Scorpio Yes quite tough indeed docs.engineeringtoolbox.com

by borrrden via Docs.engineeringtoolbox at 3/27/2011 9:33:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:33:35 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:33:35 AM
@fiona Check the NHK link at the very top, if you haven't seen it.

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 9:32:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:32:18 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:32:18 AM
Under a certain amount of pressure it would still be water, but I admit 300C would be tough.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:32:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:32:11 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:32:11 AM
@Hank Scorpio You would have to heat the water to over 300 C....so it wouldn't be water anymore would it? ;)

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 9:31:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:31:18 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:31:18 AM
Morning all - any overnight news

by fiona at 3/27/2011 9:30:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:30:46 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:30:46 AM
Preheat the water to liquify the lead before the pump?

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:30:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:30:32 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:30:32 AM
@Hank Scorpio Yes, but you can't compromise any of the line between the pump and the destination, or there will be a pressure leak.

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 9:29:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:29:28 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:29:28 AM
If I understand correctly though, they're injecting the water to the core via a feedline. The pump is outside of the reactor. Am I wrong?

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:28:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:28:41 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:28:41 AM
@Hank Scorpio I don't know the answer to that. I do know that they can't simply introduce things upstream from the pumps though. The reactor sustains high internal pressure, and any opening in the line would render the pumping ineffective. It was compared to trying to put water into a balloon that was already inflated.

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 9:27:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:27:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:27:13 AM
The only water levels I saw in the report (I'm looking again) are in relation to the reactor cores. Those numbers are definitely measures from the top of the rods, or where they used to be.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:25:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:25:09 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:25:09 AM
Is the water height that the JAIF reports show the water height compared to the top of the pool or to the top of the rods ??

by wtm at 3/27/2011 9:23:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:23:12 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:23:12 AM
@wtm - I've noticed that as well as very low pressures in 2 and 3.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:22:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:22:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:22:13 AM
But in theory, would that generally solve the issue to have a reactor filled with lead?

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:22:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:22:01 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:22:01 AM
It would have to be introduced upstream from the pump.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:21:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:21:46 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:21:46 AM
@Hank Scorpio I think that pumping solid lead pellets through their pumping system would risk damaging their pumps....

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 9:21:14 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:21:14 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:21:14 AM
Has anyone else noticed that the Reactor temp is steadily rising in # 1 reactor ???

by wtm at 3/27/2011 9:21:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:21:07 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:21:07 AM
Liquid or molten depending upon the temperature reached.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:20:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:20:36 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:20:36 AM
@Hank Scorpio You mean the end goal being a core completely full of molten lead?

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 9:19:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:19:55 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:19:55 AM
Well, perhaps not molten but certainly change from a solid to a liquid. The temperature would rise far enough once the water was displaced by enough lead.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:19:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:19:04 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:19:04 AM
I asked earlier about possibly introducing lead pellets into the water being injected to the cores. The hope in my mind is that it would fill the core, become molten, surround the the undamaged core and follow the damaged core to its resting place. What do you think?

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:18:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:18:10 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:18:10 AM
I noticed that as well. IIRC, its concentration was the highest between it, I-131 and C-137. I don't know the proportions created normally, but even lacking that knowledge, one would be safe in guessing it's not old contamination.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:16:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:16:06 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:16:06 AM
@Hank Scorpio A valid point. I'm concerned about how much Iodine-134 they found in the water. It only has a half life of 55 minutes, so if nothing new was being produced it should have been virtually eliminated from the reactor at this point. Why so much?

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 9:13:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:13:15 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:13:15 AM
So, does everyone else have the feeling that the water problem will continue to grow, making more of the site relatively inaccessible?

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:09:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:09:45 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:09:45 AM
well, time for bed - chat ya later.

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 9:09:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:09:38 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:09:38 AM
oh, yeah, that's right lol

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 9:08:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:08:30 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:08:30 AM
No, that's two doors down. The Get The Fuck Off My Lawn You Damn Kids meeting room is in between.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:07:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:07:53 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:07:53 AM
lol Hank

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 9:07:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:07:28 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:07:28 AM
that's next door to the Rents too High party meeting room?

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 9:07:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:07:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:07:13 AM
:) *Fingers crossed on a better tomorrow*

by stef at 3/27/2011 9:06:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:06:50 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:06:50 AM
We tried to have a meeting but we couldn't stand eachother. I achieved the presidency by leaving last.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:06:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:06:46 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:06:46 AM
ok, night stef

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 9:06:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:06:39 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:06:39 AM
g'night stef

by NiteSpawn at 3/27/2011 9:06:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:06:27 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:06:27 AM
they usually have upbeat personalities, and are open to people.

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 9:06:22 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:06:22 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:06:22 AM
I think people everywhere suck. It's why I'm a chapter president of the People Who Hate People Party.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:06:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:06:15 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:06:15 AM
whoa- its 4am...i really need to head to bed. Good night everyone.

by stef at 3/27/2011 9:06:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:06:04 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:06:04 AM
did hell freeze over? I never hear that.

by stef at 3/27/2011 9:05:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:05:33 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:05:33 AM
chicago people are nice, i like them.

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 9:05:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:05:06 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:05:06 AM
illinois has lots of nuclear reactors folks.

by stef at 3/27/2011 9:04:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:04:49 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:04:49 AM

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We could let there be no updates if you want Borrrden. :)

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:04:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:04:48 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:04:48 AM
yea, vegas is a bad place for easy going people.

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 9:04:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:04:40 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:04:40 AM
no it hasnt

by stef at 3/27/2011 9:04:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:04:39 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:04:39 AM
Has it completely turned into a chat room? :(

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 9:04:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:04:20 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:04:20 AM
I used to live in Arizona....and then I lost my mind and moved back to the chicagoland. fml.

by stef at 3/27/2011 9:04:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:04:19 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:04:19 AM
I moved from vegas last may, here to oregon - the in demand langs here are PHP and ruby - pacific NW seems to favor those 2 - not much demand for .net

by jgbarr at 3/27/2011 9:04:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:04:18 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:04:18 AM
It's a lot different here than Vegas. The people here are, to put it nicely, a little soft.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:03:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:03:48 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:03:48 AM
Haha.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:03:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:03:27 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:03:27 AM
i use Visual Basic mostly (keep it simple) and have to review the .NET stuff

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 9:03:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:03:05 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:03:05 AM
I just learned .Net and Im pretty sure that I lost childhood memories to retain the information.

by stef at 3/27/2011 9:02:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:02:19 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:02:19 AM
I'm not a programmer, but I hear anyone who can do .NET is in high demand. Seems to be a recession-proof specialty at the moment.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:01:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:01:27 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:01:27 AM
with my luck, i get there and the arcadia subduction zone has a big one

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 9:01:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:01:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:01:13 AM
i am thinking about it, i will do a seattle search tomorrow

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 9:00:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:00:40 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:00:40 AM
There's a ton of those jobs up this way. Why not relocate?

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 9:00:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 9:00:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:00:13 AM
no, computer programmer, but lost job last Oct.

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 8:59:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:59:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:59:13 AM
Ha.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 8:59:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:59:02 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:59:02 AM
I think they've yet to see bottom, but I could be wrong. You work in the casino industry?

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 8:58:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:58:50 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:58:50 AM
i'll sell you 10 houses for B&O railroad

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 8:58:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:58:47 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:58:47 AM
lol - rock bottom

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 8:58:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:58:16 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:58:16 AM
How 'bout those property prices?

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 8:57:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:57:56 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:57:56 AM
hank, i am in Las Vegas

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 8:57:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:57:40 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:57:40 AM
night ids

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 8:57:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:57:31 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:57:31 AM
Frady, where are you located? I'm in Seattle.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 8:57:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:57:21 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:57:21 AM
me too, although im going to sleep just gonna watch nhk and this feed like i have for the past 2 weeks. goodnight all

by ids at 3/27/2011 8:56:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:56:45 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:56:45 AM
I'm here :)

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 8:55:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:55:35 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:55:35 AM
I'm here.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 8:55:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:55:03 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:55:03 AM
Awww no ones here or on facebook anymore. Well, goodnight - maybe tomorrow will end up being a better day.

by stef at 3/27/2011 8:53:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:53:42 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:53:42 AM
Anyway, I would never post that when more people are on- sorry if I offended. I'm in a slaphappy mood- bf finally messaged me from his ship in Japan.

by stef at 3/27/2011 8:46:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:46:20 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:46:20 AM
YOU.ARE.Welcome.

by stef at 3/27/2011 8:44:36 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:44:36 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:44:36 AM
Armageddon is one thing, but the end of the world as we know it is fast approaching if we don't put together a sane energy policy. Western civilization cannot continue at its current pace without a radical shift away from oil. Fact. :)

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 8:44:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:44:26 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:44:26 AM
doodlepants was funny. i loved it.

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 8:44:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:44:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:44:13 AM
Well after clicking a link to doodiepants.com I wasn't exactly sure what I was getting myself into.

by ids at 3/27/2011 8:43:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:43:34 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:43:34 AM
oh okay! I've totally seen this. Too a sec. So fanciful compared to my contribution. Fail.

by stef at 3/27/2011 8:42:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:42:24 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:42:24 AM
W T F, mate, rather.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 8:41:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:41:24 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:41:24 AM
by ids at 3/27/2011 8:40:33 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:40:33 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:40:33 AM
Used to be a catchphrase.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 8:39:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:39:41 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:39:41 AM
W T F, dude?

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 8:39:30 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:39:30 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:39:30 AM
OK thats not what I was talking about

by ids at 3/27/2011 8:38:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:38:53 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:38:53 AM
Since no one is really on- I kind of get a chuckle because in part- some of this could totally happen...and yeah. Sorry, I know I'll lose my credibility for a second... hah.

by stef at 3/27/2011 8:38:47 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:38:47 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:38:47 AM
doodiepants.com

by stef at 3/27/2011 8:38:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:38:10 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:38:10 AM
@stef, yup crazy

by ids at 3/27/2011 8:37:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:37:55 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:37:55 AM
no, can you watch it in reverse? lol

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 8:37:39 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:37:39 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:37:39 AM
well, actually they worry about 1 more then 3. at least so far.

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 8:37:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:37:09 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:37:09 AM
Have you guys ever watched the end of the world animation?

by stef at 3/27/2011 8:37:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:37:09 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:37:09 AM
ugh, very frustrating. I'm sure at least one more has a leak also. Its no.3 i worry about.

by stef at 3/27/2011 8:35:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:35:56 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:35:56 AM

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@stef, today's news is number 2 has a leak, and not much else has happened.

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 8:34:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:34:41 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:34:41 AM
dude, nothing is impossible- I was babysitting 5 kids- oooze is everywhere. But I'm over the conspiracy stuff etc. I was hoping there would be an update other than "There's a whole lotta radiation on the air"

by stef at 3/27/2011 8:32:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:32:56 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:32:56 AM
haha nice one hank, nothing really new stef

by ids at 3/27/2011 8:31:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:31:46 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:31:46 AM
Wait, what?

by stef at 3/27/2011 8:31:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:31:23 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:31:23 AM
I was babysitting for my navy friends and it's basically going to blow is what the general consensus is navy wide.

by stef at 3/27/2011 8:31:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:31:20 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:31:20 AM
Well you see, some jackass from the EPA turned the power off at the containment unit and let all the captured spirits free... there's radioactive ooze flowing under the streets... also something about a giant marshmallow

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 8:30:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:30:50 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:30:50 AM
elaborate!

by stef at 3/27/2011 8:29:31 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:29:31 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:29:31 AM
@stef - Cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 8:28:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:28:05 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:28:05 AM
okay im back home....whats the latest?

by stef at 3/27/2011 8:27:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:27:11 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:27:11 AM
@JMV 16:18 is 4:18 PM (JST), its 5:24 PM (JST) right now.

by ids at 3/27/2011 8:25:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:25:32 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:25:32 AM
Government of Japan will hold a press briefing for international press. twitter.com

by JMV at 3/27/2011 8:22:24 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:22:24 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:22:24 AM
late at night, i go to the west LA radiation monitor site on ustream. but it's un-moderated.

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 8:21:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:21:51 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:21:51 AM
It is, but theres only 1 person there now

by ids at 3/27/2011 8:20:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:20:51 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:20:51 AM
@ids Is your tinychat still running?

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 8:19:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:19:26 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:19:26 AM
np, good night

by ids at 3/27/2011 8:18:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:18:59 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:18:59 AM
@ids Ah, ok thanks.and good night .

by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 8:18:05 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:18:05 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:18:05 AM
@VeenOui no its from 15 minutes ago, look for the "recorded" up at the top right.

by ids at 3/27/2011 8:16:49 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:16:49 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:16:49 AM
NHK is LIVE again

by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 8:15:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:15:42 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:15:42 AM
radioguy - I think projections either way were speculation based upon bias and disposition. No one had enough information within the first week to make accurate predictions. It's only been about the last 4 days or so that anyone who's paying attention could definitively say it's getting far worse.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 8:03:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:03:41 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:03:41 AM
by VeenOui via Pointscope01.jp at 3/27/2011 8:03:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 8:03:10 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:03:10 AM
I feel so so sorry for Japan. Heck, I feel sorry for the world at this moment.

by bluemoon at 3/27/2011 7:59:48 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:59:48 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:59:48 AM
Anyway, sleep is unavoidable. nite again.

by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:58:34 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:58:34 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:58:34 AM
In some ways it's been like being a psychic seeing a trainwreck, because many in the Reuters blog were projecting just this all along. The problem with being Cassandra is that you don't even get to say I told you so.

by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:56:42 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:56:42 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:56:42 AM
This is like watching a slow motion trainwreck. Ooo it's tipping ooo going back on the rai- oooo tipping again etc.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 7:54:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:54:04 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:54:04 AM
It will be interesting to see how they fix things, day by day.

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 7:54:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:54:01 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:54:01 AM
I'm happy they're finally being forced to admit that it's not even close to over, because now the discussion of what to do has the blinkers removed.

by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:53:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:53:12 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:53:12 AM
I wonder who is working on computer simulations for worst case scenarios involving the food chain, especially in Japan where so much of their food comes from the ocean - anyone heard anything about that?

by jgbarr at 3/27/2011 7:51:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:51:38 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:51:38 AM
@oliver But it's now on the press feeds rather than the nerd feeds. I think that's a milestone, even if it is a slow news day.

by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:51:01 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:51:01 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:51:01 AM
so it seems that the rupture of R2's suppression chamber is now accepted, and that seriously radioactive water is assumedly still leaking from it so there's going to be a lot of action suddenly. This kind of explains the silence for much of the day. They needed to minutely consider how to handle that press conference.

by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:49:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:49:44 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:49:44 AM
Yes, Hank, The slow news day syndrome.

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 7:49:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:49:02 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:49:02 AM
@Radioguy It is exactly what CNIC told yesterday.

by Olivier at 3/27/2011 7:48:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:48:03 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:48:03 AM
The problem with Alex Jones and InfoWars is that, while they've come up with some very important stuff on a number of occasions, they destroy their credibility with inane bullshit in order to have something to fill the other 99% of the time they have nothing important to add.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 7:47:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:47:09 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:47:09 AM
i love "some" time

by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:46:28 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:46:28 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:46:28 AM
yes

by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:46:19 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:46:19 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:46:19 AM
While I enjoy infowars and Alex Jones for his tinfoil-hat entertainment, I definitely wouldn't credit it with any kind of actual information.

by jgbarr at 3/27/2011 7:46:04 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:46:04 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:46:04 AM
radioguy - He said "some" time, or at least the translator did.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 7:46:00 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:46:00 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:46:00 AM
They asked Edano if the radioactivity is so high at reactor 2, will that hinder the work near the reactors. He said they need to ensure safety, and something about removing the radioactive water and that could take a long time.

by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:45:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:45:23 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:45:23 AM
KYODO, Govt. now ORDERS TEPCO to find the Radiation leak !

by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 7:44:16 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:44:16 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:44:16 AM
Int the Video below, there is some info on Not working EPA monitors and some more info i didn't know.

by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 7:43:25 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:43:25 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:43:25 AM
VeenOui - Alex Jones Show? Home of the InfoWars website which retardedly linked the annual pollen release of Japanese Cedars to radiation and "yellow rain?" Come on.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 7:43:06 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:43:06 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:43:06 AM
I'm still stuck on how you entomb it after it plays out. It could all be under water in a hundred years.

by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:42:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:42:40 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:42:40 AM
by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 7:41:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:41:51 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:41:51 AM
that might be a good idea, hank. kinda of like the radiator stop-leak beads for cars.

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 7:40:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:40:46 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:40:46 AM
Didn't the Soviets use lead to cover the core? Lead pellets within the water being injected would become molten as they entered the core and eventually envelop and cover the undamaged core while following the melted core to its resting place.

by Hank Scorpio at 3/27/2011 7:39:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:39:27 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:39:27 AM
Maybe they can plug up the turbine building where number 2 exits, then run a new pipe.

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 7:38:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:38:27 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:38:27 AM

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That's the 10 trillion dollar question, frady...

by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:37:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:37:21 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:37:21 AM
I wonder how they will fix it?

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 7:36:03 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:36:03 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:36:03 AM
So NHK is reporting the Japanese government is saying it looks like the suppression chamber on R2 has ruptured and radioactive material is leaking out. No surprise, but the first I've heard it so plainly.

by radioguy at 3/27/2011 7:34:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:34:27 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:34:27 AM
bye Alblee have fun

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 7:30:55 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:30:55 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:30:55 AM
Have to go offline for a couple of hours. Sunday errands call me. Thanks, all. Keep posting. Thanks.

by alblee at 3/27/2011 7:30:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:30:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:30:13 AM
@VeenOui, that means the "posting" timestamp you see on your browser may be different from the timestamp that others may see due to their browser's different time settings, even though you are all seeing the same post. If it so happens that you are located in Japan Standard Time, then, voila, your browser gives the "correct" Japan time.

by alblee at 3/27/2011 7:27:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:27:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:27:13 AM
Thanks, @VeenOui. Correct, that is the Local Time of your browser, so each user's screen will display his/her local time depending on where he or she happens to be, not some common Internet time.

by alblee at 3/27/2011 7:23:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:23:15 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:23:15 AM
@alblee The local time is displayed underneath each post isn't it ?.it is correct on my end.

by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 7:19:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:19:40 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:19:40 AM
Okay, what i just heard is :
The situation within the 30km zone IS CHANGING...we are leaving all options open

by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 7:17:51 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:17:51 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:17:51 AM
@ALL, since this is a running and time-sensitive blog, here's a big big thanks to posters who take one more step beyond just saying LATEST by indicating the relevant time referred to. Example: LATEST picture (posted at HH:MM GMT) or (viewed at HH:MM GMT). Best to use GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) or UTC (Coordinated Universal Time).

by alblee at 3/27/2011 7:14:44 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:14:44 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:14:44 AM
www3.nhk.or.jp

by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 7:10:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:10:15 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:10:15 AM
Live Conference

by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 7:10:13 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:10:13 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:10:13 AM
@Tenzing - Those photos are amazing, some I haven't seen before. Seeing the inside of reactor #4 from years before gives me a much clearer vision of how vast the spent fuel pool is.

by JMV at 3/27/2011 7:07:58 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:07:58 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:07:58 AM
nite all

by worldradioman at 3/27/2011 7:07:23 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:07:23 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:07:23 AM
Are we smoking again ??.latest TEPCO IMAGE
pointscope01.jp

by VeenOui via Pointscope01.jp at 3/27/2011 7:06:21 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:06:21 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:06:21 AM
For quick view of current Japan Standard Time:
-> www.timeanddate.com
JST is GMT/UTC + 9 hours. Thanks.

by alblee at 3/27/2011 7:04:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:04:59 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:04:59 AM
@borrrden Yeah cought that.. I didn't click the link untill after I replied

by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 7:03:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:03:27 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:03:27 AM
@NHK Listener Yeah, that's exactly the point I was trying to make.....

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 7:02:38 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:02:38 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:02:38 AM
@borrrden You can also just google "what time is it in japan".

by NHK Listener at 3/27/2011 7:01:37 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:01:37 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:01:37 AM
Kyodo News Woes deepen over radioactive waters at nuke plant, sea contamination Tokyo, March 27 2011 "Following the March 11 massive quake and tsunami, cooling functions failed at the No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3 reactors, and their reactor cores partially melted at the plant on the Pacific coast, prompting seawater to be pumped in to prevent the fuel from being exposed.

The cooling functions of the pools storing spent nuclear fuel at the three units as well as at the No. 4 unit were also lost. The No. 4 reactor, halted for maintenance before the quake, has had all of its fuel rods stored in the pool for the maintenance work." english.kyodonews.jp Goodnight

by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 7:01:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:01:10 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:01:10 AM
@borrrden VERY COOL.thanks

by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 7:00:41 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 7:00:41 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:00:41 AM
For people who keep asking about Japan Time: www.tinyurl.com

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 6:59:35 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:59:35 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:59:35 AM
thanks

by marie rich at 3/27/2011 6:58:27 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:58:27 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:58:27 AM
On KYODO news, they are breaking the results of a Poll 58% dissaprove of Nuke handling

by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 6:58:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:58:18 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:58:18 AM
@marie rich 3.58 PM

by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 6:57:20 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:57:20 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:57:20 AM
is it14:57 pm

by marie rich at 3/27/2011 6:57:18 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:57:18 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:57:18 AM
could someone tell me what time it is in japan?

by marie rich at 3/27/2011 6:56:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:56:45 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:56:45 AM
@VeenOui excellent find !!!

by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 6:52:09 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:52:09 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:52:09 AM
I know everything is in chaos after a disaster, but: "A TEPCO official at the Fukushima office said, "The radiation exposure on Thursday occurred because there was bad sharing of information. We have to apologize. We want to make efforts to share information within the company." "
also from that Asahi story.

by worldradioman at 3/27/2011 6:50:10 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:50:10 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:50:10 AM
@JVM I posted these a while back scroll down and you might find what your looking for totallycoolpix.com

by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 6:48:11 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:48:11 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:48:11 AM
This is right after it hit and i do not see damage from Tsunami ?
www.youtube.com

by VeenOui at 3/27/2011 6:46:45 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:46:45 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:46:45 AM
from Asahi Shinbum ( www.asahi.com ): "Tokyo Electric Power Co. said a failure of communication may have been partly responsible for the exposure of workers to dangerous levels of radiation near the quake-damaged Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant's No. 3 reactor on Thursday.

Six days before the workers were exposed, a measurement of radiation levels in the basement of the turbine building for the No. 2 reactor had picked up 500 millisieverts per hour, which exceeded the maximum level of 250 millisieverts allowed for workers.

But the workers were not told about those measurements before they began laying a cable at the turbine building for the No. 3 reactor from about 10:30 a.m. on Thursday. "

by worldradioman at 3/27/2011 6:46:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:46:32 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:46:32 AM
@Tenzing - It hardly looks dangerous, I'm curious because some pages back someone posted photos taken from a helicopter and the landscape around the plant was very neat which seemed strange considering the destructive power of the wave.

by JMV at 3/27/2011 6:44:50 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:44:50 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:44:50 AM
@ JVM I remember seeing that video. heres another link then I'm sleeping for awhile at least. www.distressedvolatility.com

by Tenzing at 3/27/2011 6:43:07 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:43:07 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:43:07 AM
@worldradioman .... aaaahhhhh the microwave oven? lol idk

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 6:42:29 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:42:29 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:42:29 AM
@JMV they only had about 5-8 seconds of video, then switched to something else.

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 6:40:59 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:40:59 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:40:59 AM
OK, now I have bearings, what is that hotspot under the NHK text above R2?

by worldradioman at 3/27/2011 6:40:26 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:40:26 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:40:26 AM
by VeenOui via 1.bp.blogspot at 3/27/2011 6:39:53 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:39:53 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:39:53 AM
@FradyKat - I would've liked to have seen that one.

by JMV at 3/27/2011 6:39:02 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:39:02 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:39:02 AM
by worldradioman via Tobefree.files.wordpress at 3/27/2011 6:38:40 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:38:40 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:38:40 AM
it's ok. It's just for reference when trying to decipher the pics.

by worldradioman at 3/27/2011 6:38:15 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:38:15 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:38:15 AM
@JVM is this might help its a still photo not a video lh4.googleusercontent.com

by Tenzing via Lh4.googleusercontent at 3/27/2011 6:38:12 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:38:12 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:38:12 AM
@worldradioman You have to delete everything after the JPG ;)

by borrrden at 3/27/2011 6:36:56 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:36:56 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:36:56 AM
Will this work? tobefree.files.wordpress.com

by worldradioman at 3/27/2011 6:36:32 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:36:32 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:36:32 AM
@JMV i saw it once - in the kyodo news i think.

by FradyKat at 3/27/2011 6:35:46 AMdocument.write( LiveBlog.ConvertServerTimeToLocalTimeFriendlyString( "3/27/2011 6:35:46 AM" ) )Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:35:46 AM

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